Since i can't get a clear answer, i will make a thread for

right wing

>immigrant / racial scapegoatism
>anti-athiesm
>labor unions not allowed
>bourgeoisie have more rights than proletariats

>>128631863
neither, its both as stupid as calling someone a "cultural marxist" or "globalist"

>>128631863
Right wing in almost every respect other than economy, economy is centrist/left-leaning.

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>>128631863
I'm guess the reason you didn't get a clear answer before is because the question is absurd. You can easily google and find out. Here take this red pill sir.

https://youtu.be/kzIRG525l6s

>>128631863
authoritarian and economically centrist
So... Basically right wing

>>128631863
Third position

>>128631863
Centre in economics and authoritarian,sooooo neither.

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>>128633515
wrong

it is extreme right leaning because it favors landowners over laborers

>>128631863
radical centrism

>>128633726
economically centrist for you is left wing for americans.

>>128631863
https://youtu.be/MhGQrryQPfM

>>128633315
Fuck off.

Why do shills always comment in the first couple?

>>128631863
right wing. dont let the word socialist cuck you, hitler himself was completely clear he was against marxian socialism, he subsidized preferable behavior that achieved the overall aims of the state, he didnt subsidize degenerate welfare ghetto ass behavior. pick up a book OP

>>128633809
Still is starch opponent to capitalism and the free market, which is why i said it's centrist. It's neither socialist nor capitalist.

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It has aspects of both really.

Ultimately though, it is a collectivist type ideology, it does not promote individualism like we see here in America.

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>>128631863
Right or left who cares, damn sexy is what it is

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>>128631863
https://youtu.be/y-Yszp3SmxE

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>>128634082
kys jew

both

>>128631863
Both

left wing is total government, totalitarianism, so yes, nazism is far left.

Far right is anarchy.

>>128631863
yes

>>128634028
I get the feeling he was against the free market because of the free market of ideas, not because he actually despised wealthy factory owners.

>>128634302
That's not how that works

>>128631863
It's neither side of the jewish political bluepill coin.

>>128633881
and for them, left wing authoritarianism is communism
Yet there is a major difference between Natsoc and Communism

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it's the gospel, bigots

>>128634302
You watched that stupid documentary and got confused,didn't you? Tell me, considering Left and Right originated in the French Revolution, who was more Left Wing- Robespierre or the King of France? They were both authoritarian factions (to different degrees and in different areas), but one is historically considered Right and the other Left.

>>128631863
It's left wing economically and right wing culturally/socially

>>128631863
Nationalism = Right
Socialism = Left

Answer is best of both. We help our own. Fuck the rest.

https://youtu.be/CE3urzdimJc

>>128631863
It's in the center. It has a lot of socialist practices, like worker's rights, maternity leave etc., but it also supports private ownership and relatively free economy.

It's state capitalism it which in nature is neither left or traditionally right, the state as whole was slightly more left leaning and the nazi party was originally the workers party. However fascism is typically anticapitalist and anticommunist, so it really is a third position.

>>128634302
american education: the post

>>128634850
Nationalism is on a completely different axis. A radical globalist capitalist would be on the far right, but he would certainly not be even slightly nationalistic.

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NatSocs you are mislead

Strasserism is the true redpill

aesthetics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0olc3qJjLM

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>>128634302

>>128635073
That is actually an interesting way to put it

>>128634302
retard

>>128633775
this, stop p`laying the jewish game, both right and left wing were financed by bankers in all the countries

>>128631863
>right wing or left wing ideology

these are horribly simplified and unrealistic abstractions that im pretty sure were invented to foster a lower level of political discourse amongst the proles

the reason you cant classify it as either is because its neither, because politics are significantly more complicated than some 1 axis right-left nonsense

>>128635388
yeah, he needs to read horseshoe theory bro

>>128631863

it combines the stupidest parts of right wing ideology (fascism; dude to protect the country just give the government ultimate power they're infallible after all) and the stupidest parts of left wing ideology (socialism; dude you want more money lets just print more money then lmao) to form the stupidest ideology ever created

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>>128633057
>bourgeoisie have more rights than proletariats
You're retarded, holy shit. The NatSoc were "leftists" on these types of view.

Just because commies like it doesn't mean that le Nazis did the opposite. They called themselves "National-Socialist German Workers' Party" for a fucking reason you dumb cunt.

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>>128635700

>>128631863
the american dream
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph57319e8f5771f

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>>128634302
>"far" right
>literally denying any form of hierarchy

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>>128636277

So from reading the post, i will assume that it's culturally right wing and economically centrist?

>>128636096
>>128633809
made me think

>>128636865
The National Socialists in Germany actually privatised a lot of their industry, they nationalised some things but it was predominantly privatisation. They also lowered taxes to the point where 10% was the highest amount a person would pay in income tax, which contributed to the economy growing rapidly. I would consider it right-wing in both situations, it is just that they also had a large left-leaning division that Hitler needed to pander to in order to maintain unity within the party.

>>128631863
Right wing on everything except for economics, where it takes more of a centralist stance

>>128631863
Third Position. Politically authoritarian and nationalist, economically capitalist and anti-free market, culturally traditionalist and anti-liberal that favoured both Rule of Nature and technological innovation.

it's for retarded cuck boys

>>128634302
Was this post a parody of Plato's theory of "relativity" by the way?
>totalitarianism (shadows,bad)
>anarchy (fire,neutral,(the false sensation of absolute "good" if all you know is the shadow))
>"right wing" way of governing (daylight, truthfully good)

>>128631863
It's an ideology that works when you have a homogeneous culture.

>>128631863
you need to stop thinking in two dimensions, left VS right, try thinking in three dimensions or four dimensions if you can.

>>128635700
You're an idiot and here's why:
Fascism is not the same as totalitarianism or autocracy. Fascism has a very broad definition and is changed everyday. But let's look at the original fascist state, Italy.
They build upon national unity, as well as individual and national strength.

Socialism however, is not about printing money all the time, so that money literally has no value what-so-ever. Keep in mind that before the formation of the German Reich, the Weimar Republic was plagued with an economic crisis, and their currency had no value at all. When everybody's favorite moustache model came along tho, he introduced a new currency, which would be more stable, as he at the same time had boosted the country's economy and production, by producing weapons and such alike.
Socialism is basically just
>have alot of spare money
>give money to those who need it


If i sound like an idiot and said something incorrect, please do say so however

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>>128634302

Yes, /pol/ is a far-left board.

>>128637591
Isn't free market a capitalist thing though?

>>128631863
right wing. too sensible to be leftist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVeCNI3gLUY

>>128631863
A mix

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>>128634302

You lolbertarians are just as bad as the commies. You both get the rope

>>128637587
>Checks flag

R A R E
A
R
E

>>128634302

People like you are the reason the rest of the world think Americans are stupid.

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>>128635700
You are the ones printing money and with a ""totalitarian"" government right now cunt. Enjoy the freedom of being jailed for tweeting against muhammad the goatfucker.

>>128637784
I'm not a historian, I'm just basing this off of the attitude and vibe I've got from speeches and reading on the Reich's government. But it definitely seems like the National Socialist version of gimmedats was rather than directly just giving money to people with no jobs, using the money to create jobs. I assume people unable to work would have options(Mercy killing, welfare, live with family etc)rather than just being killed or being given welfare.

An example of what I mean being the autobahn.

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>>128634302
>Far-right is anarchy
I usually hate the right-left terms but you mate are just retarded.

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>>128638334
They have no morality. Their only concern is themselves, they are individualists just as SJWs are individualists. It is solipsism.

>>128637940
Depends on the type of capitalism. However the fundamental core of capitalism is private property, which NatSoc Germany was not against.

>>128631863

Right on cultural issues.
Left on economic issues.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

>>128638886

Alain de Benoist is a good read. I liked his book on "Beyond Human Rights" where he argues that human rights cannot exist in any sense without belief in a higher power or structure, something which Leftists and communists obviously do not believe.

>>128631863
Classic left wing. You know, "Socialist" in the name of their party should have clued you in. Saying whatever the fuck rabble wants to hear while keeping their true goals secret? Check. Believers in all-powerful state, ruled by a party of chosen? Check. Economics boiling down to plunder by said state? Check (the only difference, Nazis planned to plunder other countries, but that hardly made things better for Germany, as war they've prepared for since 1933 was unwinnable). Thought policing and desire to form a new Man? Check. Anti-Christian? Check. Having a built-in group of scapegoats to blame for their fuckups and raining increasingly harsh repression on them? Check.

The only big difference from your standard commies was allying with industry magnates and elements of military brass against workers, rather than suppressing and enslaving everyone by themselves.

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>>128638886

National Socialists consider classical liberals (the intellectual and philosophical predecesors of modern lolbertarianism) the one side of the same jewish coin. Communism is on the other side

>>128631863
Neither. Its its own thing.

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>>128631863

Neither

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>>128631863

It is neither. National Socialism is, like Fascism, called the Third Position as it, in theory, offers an alternative to what was at the time the other two major political movements. One was parliamentary in nature and democratic at its core and included a wide variation of traditional right-wing and left-wing parties in Germany. The other was communism and was revolutionary at its core. The Strasserist and SA faction within the NSDAP was until 1931 the revolutionary element within the party but was subsequently purged from it after the assassination of Strasser himself during the Night of the long knives. While the party had left and right wing factions as exemplified by Goebbels and Himmler, National Socialism remained constantly opposed to both parliamentary democracy as well as communism. Some elements of the "conservative revolution" from 1919 as well as certain parts of the early german labor movement were initially integrated within the party, but they were never naturally synthesized from an ideological basis. Instead the "fuhrerpirnzip" became the dominant arbiter of conflicts within the party organization.

>>128635184
please don't laugh at me

>>128631863

Does any of you autists on /pol/ even studied the weimar republics history and the campaign of the national socialists? They are right wing fighting against the social democrats and communists. Holy fuck are you extremly in denial. You look up definitions, but ignore history.

>>128638783

Left wing = collectivism
Right Wing = individualism

I know they don't teach you big words that make you think for yourself in Europe.

>>128631863
Authoritarian centrist, leaning barely to the right.
The correct answer however, is that fascism destroys the left/right paradigm altogether and eliminates the multiparty system.

>>128640078
Yes fascism is a reaction to commufaggotry, but...
>>128640171

>>128634831
>Tell me, considering Left and Right originated in the French Revolution, who was more Left Wing- Robespierre or the King of France? They were both authoritarian factions (to different degrees and in different areas),

No, they weren't. The Ancient Regime was, in fact, so liberal that the degree of its liberalism is inconceivable for most people of today. The very idea of the state not being able to arbitrarily tax people, revoke their rights (even to impose uniform laws), or draft them into compulsory service in generally faced with flat incomprehension and attempt to use some sort of misharacterization, not unlike yours.

>>128631863
It's both. It's authoritarian middle.
It's basically the opposite of Libertarianism, it's socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

>>128640171
Based on that National Socialism would be centrist then.

>>128637059
>it's a quote of one of the most hated man of the world on the internet vs. the actual name of the party
gee, not sure which one to trust

>>128631863
Right-wing, it is White racial socialism. Socialism for Whites only. Hitler considered Marxism as a bastard version of what true Socialism should be.

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>>128640171
>Right Wing = individualism

Toppest kek

Then what's with right wingers boner for conformity, religion (we are the lord's sheep or some shit like that), uniforms and traditionalism?

>>128640805
Are you trying to
>imply
that people on the internet would....
LIE?

wtf

>>128641128
It's because Humans as a species aren't individualist.
You have anti-social outliers and people that aren't super collectivist, but as a whole on average we're not an individualist species.

An individualist system(Like complete anarchy)will not function because we naturally form collectives and stomp all individualists into the dirt.

>>128640171
>Right Wing = individualism

Last time I checked SJWs are the ones obsessed with beign special individual unique snowflakes defining themselves through capitalist consumerism (facebook, tindr, nike, starbucks, apple etc)

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>>128640778
>>128640709
>>128640171
>>128639402
>>128639029
>>128637975
>>128637834
>>128634919
>>128634834
>>128634302
>>128634047
>>128634000
>>128633880
>>128633726
>>128633057
>>128633515

No. I'm putting my fucking politicies hat on now you uneducated bastards.

Read: >>128639943

>>128633515

The Nazis called themselves "socialist" but were fascists.

The names can be misleading for marketing purposes. For example North Korea is technically the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" by name.

It's none of those things.

>>128640171
It's the opposite, liberalism is individualistic, right wing is more collectivist, NatSoc is collectivist and tribalist as well.

>>128633057
>ignoring all the social programs and job programs
>labor unions not allowed because there's government control over the businesses and the state negotiates for you instead
Hitler cared about the happiness of workers and forced businesses to have high benefits. Labor unions were banned because all workers were forced to join the German Labor Front union.

Hitler forced large factories to provide cafeterias, rest areas, swimming pools and more. He also funded programs sent workers to concerts and international trips to keep them happy. And he limited the work week to 5 days. Among other things. Doesn't sound too right wing to me.

>>128641559
What?
I replied to someone who posited their definition of left vs right.
Follow the rules of that definition then National Socialism would be centrist, it's neither entirely Collectivist or Individualist.

I posted it because that's what the thread is about.

don't fukin (you) me when I don't deserve (you)s you faggot

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>>128640451

NS is right-wing. It was about preserving the aryan german race and exterminate the jews that cause problems to the western civilization. No liberty, no free thought and last the Oberste Heeresleitung invented a consipiracy that leftist politicians betrayed Germany during WW1 and the german army was never defeated. That conspiracy is known as Dolchstosslegende.

It is also about the individual. NS followed social darwinism and weak, old, handicapped, racial filthy, treacherous people were sorted out.

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>>128641691
You could say, left towards the people, right towards not the people.

>>128641402
Liberals aren't leftists, they're just degenerate moderates.

>>128641820
>Preserving the aryans

But Hitler said the Aryans died long ago because they were too nice and trusting and didn't attempt to keep their race pure and that we shouldn't make the same mistake.

>>128641587
National Socialism believes in distribution of wealth to things lke healthcare, and welfare. That is the Socialist aspect, the redistribution of wealth. However, this socialist redistribution of wealth is only for the nation, not foreigners. That is to say, only for Whites only.

>>128641820
None of that is wrong, except their economics bring them very close to centrism on the classical scale, it is extreme left and extreme right, although more extreme on the right.
My point is just the "muh left/right" is really retarded way of trying to view the ideology.

>>128631863
Left wing and right wing terms are obsolete. The only purpose is to denounce everyone as either a commie or nazi.
Nazi Germany was a really authorian state because a lot of personal and social aspects where controlled by the government.
The economy was generally free but key sectors have been controlled by the government and there has been a lot of welfare which acutally worked because it was an ethno state.

>>128631863
right

>>128631863
left wing people say right wing
right wing people say left wing

As a leftist I'm going to give you my interpretation.
The socialist in its name refers to the fact that the members of society are supposed to be taken care of.
But a fundamental part of leftist ideology (in theory) is the equal treatment of everybody and Notional Socialism has very strict ideas what population groups you need to be a part of and how you have to behave to be worthy of being taken care of, which I believe makes it incompatible with real socialism or general leftist ideology.

>>128641764

No its a collectivist ideology but that is not the point. Centrism is a term normally ascribed to parliamentary liberal parties. You are wrong.

Read >>128639943

>>128642167
Nah, if NatSoc were real socialism, Hitler would have been seizing people's possessions and property for himself/the state.

>>128633057
its a Hitler ideology
also helpful if u want a jewish ethnostate

>>128641820
>right wing
>no liberty, no free thought
Those are contradictory. The further right you go, the smaller the government. Ancap is as far right as you get. Anything anti-freedom is big government and goes against the right.

>>128642045
Liberals believe in racial equality so therefore are leftists.

In a classical sense, it is a right wing ideology in everything but economy (welfare but for whites only), but even then it had a lot of competition and hierarchies..

In modern terms its ultra hyper mega right, but even back in the day of constitutional monarchies of 19th century, it would still be right wing.

>>128642595
It's individualist in terms of the country and ethnicity, it's not very interested in being collectivist with other races, countries or ethnicities unless there are good incentives and even then only to a degree.

And by centrist, I meant in the middle. It was based on a person definition of left vs right, Nation Socialism had parts of both sides from that definition and as such is somewhere in the middle.
In the centre.
Centrist.

>>128642707
You are completely misunderstanding the right left thing.
It is not the same as Authoritarian, Libertarian.
Reminder that anarchism is originaly a socialist idea.

>>128638732
I see. That does make sense
How does this relate to the autobahn tho?

>>128642631
That's the difference Hitler noted in Mein Kampf. Any level of redistribution is considered Socialism. Hitler believed in property and privite business ownership rights, but they have to serve the state line, unlike Capitalism.

>>128642707
>The further right you go, the smaller the government

no individual liberty. right wing parties are also pro military, which the national socialists were.

>>128642068
If they died out long ago, he didn't need to eliminate the jews. They taught kids in school about racial anatomy of the aryan strong man

>>128642220

For what I can say, the NS saw themselves as the opposite of left wing...and leftists were their enemies

>>128642827
Yeah, but they also can't live without capitalist things like Starbucks and Apple, so that makes them moderate, though less right than conservatives.

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Left and right aren't real.
There is the mindset of slave, master, and free.
"Leftists" have a slave mentality.
NatSoc has a master mentality.
AnCaps have a free mentality.

>>128643118
NSDAP built a network of highways, the autobahn. Well, they built up the initial highway network across Germany, I think there were already a few highways and the war probably did damage to them.

My understanding of it is really shit because I haven't actually looked into it, but from a brief glance seems like a good way to deal with unemployment.

To create a road you don't exactly need the most skilled labourers in the universe, basic lads can fill the role if you've got more experienced workers around to help when required.

I assume money that could have gone to gimmedats instead went to fund the construction. Solve a lot of issues with one stone even if just temporarily.

Hope that clears it up. Again I'm not a historian, this is mostly interpretation.

>>128643215
>That's the difference Hitler noted in Mein Kampf. Any level of redistribution is considered Socialism. Hitler believed in property and privite business ownership rights, but they have to serve the state line, unlike Capitalism.
Planned economies aren't socialism. Socialism is when the workers of the industries own their own production, while the state is slowly phased away until it's no longer needed.

>>128631863
It's neither. It's off the scale because it concerns topics that other ideologies doesn't touch.

>>128631863
Left and right are wide generalizations. National socialism is socialist and nationalistic by definition. By today's standars socialism is left wing and nationalism right wing.

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>>128633057

>anti-faggot
>aryan women forced to have babies(opposite of pro-choice)
>anti-multi-racial society
>deregulated the sale and purchase of firearms(despite what cucks like alex jones might say. the gun control laws that existed under the third reich were developed during the weimar republic. hitler loosened them)
>poor were probably seen as unfit and killed(which is not a position left-wing socialists hold. they tend to be advocates for the poor and want free healthcare and education for them. when did hitler call for those things?)

people who call nazism a left-wing ideology are giant cucks

>>128631863
Neither, it exists beyond a scale that you retards use.

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>>128633515
This
>>128641587
and this

They called themselves "socialists" to get the vote of people who were considering voting for the communist party.