Is anyone else socialist politically in 2k17? I've went

>>128595767
Congratulations, you are a NatSoc.

>>128595866
Sort of, but then people just call you a nazi and link you with genocide & death camps and all the memes. So fuck labelling myself national socialist.

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>>128595767
Socialism is bad.

>>128595767
Heey i had this a year ago too, if you're young thats because you're growing up, if you're old it's probably because you base your ideology mostly of emotions.

Inform yourself either way. Nothing has meaning, everything is just matter interacting in a predictable and deterministic way. In a few quadrillion years everything will be a soup of emptyness and completely scatters planck length particles


This being said, the elites are using are fear towards foreign refugees so we cant unite and overthrow the repressors. Multinational corporations control everything aaand a capitalist system needs the enslavement of workers all around the world. Anyways, long live the united states of europe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideologies_in_the_United_States

>>128595767
can we share your mother?

>>128595767
always been a socialist op. I personally believe people afraid of socialism are idiots. All systems can lop side and ruin a society. Socialism needs capitalist components. but it is a strong idea that helps society. 80% of the wealth in our country is owned by 20% of the people, and more than all of that 19 percent is the 1 %. that said. is it even possible to redestribute that money? hear me out. if we made a system that could redestribute money through socialism. would it ever be able to do so without being the 1% itself? is it possible to defeat ziphs law?

>>128597399
Weeeeew arguments!

>>128595767
>And China definitely isn't socialist or communist, it's one of the most capitalistic nations on Earth,
There are doing better now then when they were actually communist

>>128597850
Yes because this is how socialism works? At least inform yourself so that it doesnt become super obvious that this is bait by a 14 y old.

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>>128595767
>I'm for a more closed borders type of socialism

>yeah man, we should totally share
>oh me? Yeah I don't have anything to share. But we should share your stuff.

>>128595767

Social is immoral. Its stealing and its bad for society. And in the end it does not consider human nature. It requires human nature to be removed which is why it has always pushed for the destruction of social constructs in the hopes of bending humans to it. Ultimately when that fails it ends is the mass death of many and the destruction of a countries freedom and prosperity.

>>128595767
>I do cringe a bit at his kowtowing to middle eastern nations such as the Saudis & the Israelis; what gives?

All Western economies would shit themselves the moment the oil stopped flowing. The spice must flow. You think there is no reason for us knocking over every middle eastern country but that one?

They got too cocky with Iraq. They though it would be easy to get the oil flowing again after. In reality it took ten years and it hurt markets.

They wont make that mistake again soon. So BP will have to invent a ship that can suck the oil right out of the ground or alternative energy will have to stop being shit. Because we are stuck will them until we can do without them.

>>128595767
its called stealing you faggot

>>128597848
I'm 27. Emotions? I've come full circle. Yes I know that ultimately nothing has meaning but I think socialism is more benign than capitalism.

>>128598857
If human nature ruled the world we'd have nothing and it'd still be a couple of cavemen smashing each other over the head for their next meal. Law, civilisation, education, refrigeration, mass production, ultimately welfare, and so on... these things we call came up with to improve the lifestyle of humanity in general, that set us apart from how we treat each other compared to how we treat farm animals.

Just tired of seeing /pol/ defend over and over soulless mindless lawless corporations who'd throw you under the bus at any opportunity for a quick profit. You have to be smarter than this. I don't care about all your virtue signalling and your memes about left wings and liberals being degenerates. I'm not a liberal, but I believe in socialism. Suck my dick. Suck Zuckerberg's dick, Google's dick, coca cola's dick. They love /pol/'s pro capitalist virtue signalling because it lets untouchable corporate gods like them continue to do what they want with humanity & earth.

Socialism is the radical idea that no one own nothings but everyone need to desfruits the works of everyone and anything is available all the times to anyone.Its a idiot idea that doesn't that account scarcity and its based on false assumptions like surplus value, that value of things is objective and the its derived from the work-hours on in it, when in reality is subjective, and don't even that in account things like "proletarian dictatorship" where even your life is in the hands of the state, there's economy planification, there is price control (central planners think they can go way of market prices and still really predict the price of anything all the times) and repression everywhere.

>>128595767
i'm into non marxist socialism if it has marx then its automatically shit.

>>128595767
Cool, share your wife and your house with Achmed to your hearts content you retarded faggot, leave me out of it. Ever notice how the people who all want others to share have NOTHING of their own to contribute, really activates my almonds.
Saged and didn't read. Kill yourself.

>>128599567
This is a well put point.
Capitalism has no time for their beloved tradition, religion or culture. A capitalist society will lose those virtues if elites can see that subverting them will grant a profit.
Money and money alone interests modern "conservatives", what a shame.

>>128599567
>If human nature ruled the world we'd have nothing and it'd still be a couple of cavemen smashing each other over the head for their next meal. Law, civilisation, education, refrigeration, mass production, ultimately welfare, and so on... these things we call came up with to improve the lifestyle of humanity in general, that set us apart from how we treat each other compared to how we treat farm animals.
>Just tired of seeing /pol/ defend over and over soulless mindless lawless corporations who'd throw you under the bus at any opportunity for a quick profit. You have to be smarter than this. I don't care about all your virtue signalling and your memes about left wings and liberals being degenerates. I'm not a liberal, but I believe in socialism. Suck my dick. Suck Zuckerberg's dick, Google's dick, coca cola's dick. They love /pol/'s pro capitalist virtue signalling because it lets untouchable corporate gods like them continue to do what they want with humanity & earth.

Corporate power being too large is a different problem. That means we need to tweak the laws to stop the bad stuff. Capitalism works because it takes human nature into account. Competition is something we crave and letting out desire for wealth drive us is what creates all this industry. Under socialism not only are you ignoring the human need to be driven you are stifling it. And the moment someone doesn't want to go along with it you need to point a gun at them. Because you cannot work that system if people are allowed the freedom to do otherwise.

Socialism is massive authoritarian by its nature. Which is why it ends in death so often. Also the government that controls all of this power will corrupt even faster then the one we have now.

Over and over again we have seen socialism we know what it does and it is terrible. If someone tells you it would be different if they were in charge you should be wary of that person.

You dont have to support massive uber corps to be pro capitalism.

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>>128595767
>mfw we could all be national socialists with Ayran qt trad wifes but the Allies fucked it up.

>>128600089
What regulations would you propose to limit the possibility of behemoth multinational corporations becoming too bit for their boots? A capitalist system, in a fundamental sense will always generate these monopolies at some point or another, enslaving the world's people as it goes.

>>128600063

Socialism has to kill tradition in order to bend people to it. Go look at what countries have to do in order to pull it off. Hell Marxists are trying to undermined tradition right now because they want to move to socialism and tradition is getting in the way.

Central planned economies all have the same terminal flaws.

-They must be totalitarian and abusive to the people in order to control. Otherwise people will just do what they want.

-It ignores human nature it doesnt use human drive in fact it stifles it. Ask someone who just floating a a piece of Garbage from Cuba to America what its like.

-It kills tradition. In the end the country has to have total control and in order to chase that impossibility it starts trying to shape your mind. Kids in Cuba get educated at state schools that teach propaganda. Your tradition has to die for the good of the revolution.

In Capitalism people get as much tradition as they choose.

>>128595767
Sharing against someone's will is stealing

>>128595767
>But I think socialism does away with all of the degeneracy of capitalism.
No it doesnt
Without social safety net most degenerates would die out

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>>128595767

>>128600471
>A capitalist system, in a fundamental sense will always generate these monopolies at some point or another, enslaving the world's people as it goes.
When did this ever happen?

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>>128595767
This Anon wonders whether OP is currently a net contributor to the coffers of his socialist utopia or whether he's a net beneficiary. It's really making me think.

>>128595767
If I'm forced to give someone my things that isn't sharing. Sharing is voluntary.

>>128600471

First step here in America is to stop waving monopoly law. Vertical monopolies and any other kind. Our entire problem we have with our ISPs now is because of this shit. Also encourage transparency for all things government. Money should not flow from companies to government or the other way without people able to watch from the outside.

Third local government is easier to control. Honestly I would like to see power start flowing back to the states in the US. Also its easier to keep politicians in line when you can get your neighbors together and go knock on the door to their office. Some fuck in Washington forgets about the people at home pretty quick if he doesn't go back there constantly.

There is nothing going on with our Corps right now that could not be stopped. A good example is football stadiums. Everyone hears about how the city rents them to the team at $1 or something and the team owner pockets everything. That is because the owners threaten to go somewhere else. Politicians need to all stick to a price plan or something so they cant be bullied. Also let a couple teams leave and talk to the fans so they treat the team like a pariah.

This is the same in other industries. Companies constantly use the idea of losing jobs to get politicians to give away deals in a sort of race to the bottom.

Capitalist niggers defeated the perfect political system in WW2. I should be typing this in German right now. Instead all white countries are being invaded by the 3rd world.

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>>128595767
A country and its citizen need a driving idea or point, in capitalism it relies on peoples inherent greed and envy
Capitalism relies on the fact that people want to climb the pyramid, they see the top and try to get there to live worry free luxurious life

Bad side of capitalism is the higher up you get the less spots there are, in a way capitalism is a pyramid scheme, "work hard, put your career first and one day you will be here with us enjoying the good life"

That is the lie they spew, there isn't enough spots at the top, majority will live mediocre lives despite their efforts, those in the top are well connected and people who don't play ball face a glass ceiling, women and minorities are stupid enough to blame this on external factors, the reason they won't reach those spots is because they aren't connected and trusted to play ball with the already existing order

Capitalism is ideal breeding ground for oligarchies which is why America is so fucked up, big companies can cash out the favors their pocket players owe them with a bit of cash cream on the top

"Why not Socialism then anon, surely it is better than the corrupt Capitalistic system?"
That's where you're wrong, Socialism invites parasites and leeches (see northern Europe for examples), "this country gives out FREE MONEY!, why would we work if we can live better lives than at home without doing jack shit?"

Only form of Socialism that works is National Socialism, benevolent totalitarianism that's motive is the wellfare of the host citizen, downside is those tend to get carried away and invite global intervention to their maniacal expansion
Also Capitalistic governments don't like competition, same as with communism they would try to sabotage the rival and sow discontent
why? imagine if a country would be left alone like that, the multicultural capitalistic dystopia could not compete in quality of life for the masses, citizenship in a country like that would be worth it's weight in gold

>>128597399
How about national socialism anon?

>>128595767
Sharing at gunpoint isn't sharing.

I'd be more friendly with libertarian socialists/anarchists, except they also seem to advocate economic coercion in some way or another.

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>>128595767
i think its time for a helicopter ride britbong

>>128600827
How much tradition do you see in 2017? Hollywood & the big media for decades have been and continue to warp the minds of our young. And Hollywood is at the forefront of the capitalist system.

Don't preach to me about tradition in 2030 when you're paying your straight white male tax or doing jail time for historical trans hate speech they traced from your internet logs in the mid 2010's.

>>128598147
>Yes because this is how socialism works?
Socialism doesn't work.

>>128595767
Very simple answer: sharing keeps shitty people from falling, and thus keeps good people from rising.

>>128601571
>Capitalism is ideal breeding ground for oligarchies
Still better than me working sixty hours and getting paid for twenty.

I think you meant "stealing" not sharing.

>>128601738

People are reacting to that shit. The whole post modern and sjw bullshit is working because they are killing us by a thousand tiny cuts. People react eventually though and they are doing it now. Look at youtube and the constant bitching pl;us coverage about everything. Look at how the mainstream legacy media is dying.

We should right now start making our own films and sharing info on how to do it. Develop an open source kind of plan and let hollywood drown.

>>128601738
Does government funded art put out anything better?
>when you're paying your straight white male tax or doing jail time for historical trans hate speech they traced from your internet logs in the mid 2010's.
What does this have to do with free markets?

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>>128601555
>le fictional characters comparison
laugh out loud!! pls do a harry potter one

>>128601824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99fWf_UIWs

Or you might get actual pay for your labor instead of the pittance most countries pay the working class

>>128595934
Nice guy Ethno socialist futurism

>>128595767
>I'm for a more closed borders type of socialism.
You need Titoism and/or distributism.

>>128595767
>Socialism is the radical idea of free shit

>>128601738

Also I should add its the marxists/socialists/communists

>>128602231
Tito was a mayor faggot

>>128602487
t. Suljo Pedersen

>>128601555

The emperor ran a fucking universe sized government while Obi-wan played with his dick in the sand.

This is what you meant right?

Corbyn is a person who wants to do good but he is dumb as a post and would rape the UK.

>>128601268
Look at the world you live in, everything you own is likely the production of a sweatshop of the east or south America. People who live in "socialist" nations where money seems to still be the pervasive goal. These people have little freedom, as they work 12 hours a day in sweat and soil for materialist westerners to have 5 minutes of trivial joy. And the westerners are not free, either. Consumed by things and objects, the west has lost all meaning of life and utility. You will find yourself working tirelessly for a few extra dollars, slaving away at some meaningless and useless office job, to buy the next useless distraction to entertain you for five seconds. You likely won't be able to afford kids. Maybe one, if you're lucky. Then globalist capitalists, not sated by the money they already have, will call for mass immigration to top up the labour markets, providing yet more money for their limitless pockets. Your nation, people and culture, gone. Sacrificed on the altar of money power. The solution is for all peoples of the world to be separate in traditional nations yet united against the plundering and exploitation ruthlessly carried out with the goal of money.

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>>128597933
(((1%)))

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>>128602618
What did you call me?

>>128602782
>Consumed by things and objects, the west has lost all meaning of life and utility
this is because they turned away from God

>>128601481
Nazi regime was just socialism for the volk, its economy was based on pillegering countries, talking debt and wasting all its money on weapons and such. One may say that it was this way because of their intended to fight a war, but as the time passed they suppress any market economy, they did price controls, took business way of any "undesirable" and by 1939 they already were facing high inflation and a debt bigger than their nation gdp, they were facing the same thing that happened to the soviet union, by the mid 40s and 50s would war never came their economy would have crashed so bad that the allies wouldnt even need to shot a bullet.

>>128598640
The higher my income climbs, the less I'm interested in helping people. Stop having kids.

>>128601481
What a pity it is

Socialism: The radical idea of *stealing*

>>128602926
Indeed they have, because edgy Jewish capitalists love promoting atheism and making it extremely popular, so that people have a more "fuck it yolo lol" attitude towards spending money on frivolity.

>>128603180
Capitalism: The radical idea of *being ruled by the Jews because they have all the money and the ones with money in a society of greed rule*
National socialism is the only way don't fall for the ancap or the capitalist bullshit.

Reading your comment I'm struck by how envious, perhaps even jealous, you are of other people. What concern is it of yours that someone spends $10k on a bottle of wine? The money transferred from one set of hands to another, and in this transaction several people were paid and the state taxed them all through VAT, corporate tax, and income tax.

We benefit from some services being socialised, such as potable water, sewers, and garbage collection. Other services, such as childhood education, ought to be provided with the explicit understanding the beneficiary owes society X sum of money to be repaid once s/he starts working. The German model of education ought to be used to channel mediocre students into the trades. There's no shame in being an electrician, and competent ones earn a decent wage. The state should not open borders to drive down wages of the working class. "But the poor, they won't do these jobs" is a disingenuous claim. The reason they won't is due to gov't handouts and employers who pay lower wages to imported workers.

Police and fire protection ought to be socialised. The military limited to national defence and no adventures overseas. That's about it.

Why should the 'caring' for others be mandated by the state? It is simply a make-work programme for mediocre bureaucrats, busy body activists, and jobsworths.

Our problem is too many think they deserve more because they think are above average (the superiority illusion) yet they are unable to combine ideas and skills to present something greatly valued by the marketplace. Their mediocre skills entitle them to mediocre pay.

Are the wealthy stealing from the lower classes? Did Warren Buffett pillage Omaha? Is Zuckerberg forcing people at gunpoint to use the free service called wastebook?

Truly wealthy people don't work for their money, their money works for them. This is not a privilege reserved to them. Anyone can invest. To do so well requires initiative, some talent, and a bit of luck.

>>128595767
Fuck sharing, get your own shit, any wealth I amass is for me and my loved ones, the rest of you can fucking die for all I give a shit.

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>>128595767
f-fight the power, comrade!

>>128595767
There is nothing wrong in socialism, two conditions:
it has to be yours (earned by you)
it has to be voluntary

>>128595767
sharing is caring
and i give 0 fucks

>>128595767
What prevents you from sharing in a capitalist society, except for your own greed?

>>128595767
Sharing isn't the issue. The issue is the government forcing me to share.

>>128602926
Early christians were very socialist, but with these conditions >>128607360

I can't see anything wrong with it.

here come the capitalist imperialist ""christians""

>>128605114
Capitalism is just an economic system, the political aspect attached to it may be one of democracy or dictatorship (and both are bad). National socialism is just the idea that you have to give your freedom, your earnings and your life to the "hyper-efficient" state,that cannot do anything but steal and use force against its citizens, and it will somehow protect your race and your country. You will have to be a self-hating bootlicker and never do anything that the state think its wrong.

>>128595767
It's nice when I know everyone is doing their part. Sad fact is they aren't

I love working hard so my tax money can go towards single mothers and immigrants.

>>128595767
Yes we'll all just share, that's it. I'm going to choose the easiest job, with the least amount of work in that case...

>>128600320
>Ayran qt trad wifes

You mean several Aryan qt trad ex-wives.

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"Sharing."

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Works good in theory but people are greedy by nature.

>>128595767
Socialism doesn't work alongside open borders you can have socialist things like healthcare or you can have open borders but have both and it fucks up quickly

>>128595767
>Threatening with threat of jail by pointing a gun at you in order to force you to hand over hard earned dollars through one's own sweat and transfer the fruits of labor to those who game the system or buy votes promising free money

>Sharing

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>Basically describes himself as a national socialist (if a bit softcore one)

Welcome and seig heil mein kameraden

>>128597848
The elites are bringing in the refugees and opening the borders dumbass. The more open borders and less identity that nations have the more control they have

>>128595767
Tried'it. Didn't work. Move on.

>>128600471
Gas the kikes

>>128602938
All they did was get greasy tratorious Jews out of their economy and boom massive improvement. Of course the kikes couldn't let them get away with that

>>128608545
National socialism is for the citizens it wants only to remove subversive elements like Jews

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>>128597933
>socialism needs capitalist components.
I do not trust my government enough to redistribute wealth. Besides, because of pork barrel legislation how much goes to benefit congress rather the people.

>>128595767

Socialism works so well you have to lock people into any nation where it's implemented to keep them from escaping.

>>128613127
What if the only wealth being redistributed was that which the jew left behind after being gassed?

>>128613206
Except national socialist Germany that Germans from everywhere wanted to go to

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Libertarians are greedy little kikes. Socialism works but only if the government are Nationalists.

>>128613247
Yes yes, le goy,.

The problem i fundamentally see witg socialism is that they try to legislate altruism. In economic prosperity its nifty. But in economic downturns. Its awful

>>128595767

>socialist
>2k17

Unironically kys

>>128595767
>SOCIALISM: the radical idea of "sharing" at gunpoint

ftfy

>>128613247
If the holocaust really happened, a Europe free of Jewish influence would have experienced the longest stretch of peace and prosperity in the continent's history.

Oh wait

>>128613819
What makes them worse? The beliefe you keep what you make? Thats sounds awful to you?

Limiting the excesses of credit capitalism isn't inherently socialist though. Though I usually disagree with fascism and national socialism, the idea that the state should have the right to intervene in the free market IF the effect of said free market are detrimental to the state and/or culture is a pretty good idea.

For instance, it would allow nations to penalize corporate off-shore tax evading bullshit without the fear of capital flight.

>>128614202
>Thats sounds awful to you?
In a system where only a few get everything, then yes, it is awful. If everyone was forced to work under wages that said nationalist government laid out that was fair and everyone can afford not to go homeless, at least, then that would be better.

>>128614163
Of theft.

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>>128595767
>Socialism: the radical idea of "sharing"
>Mandatory sharing, at gunpoint

>>128595767

more like

Socialism: The radical idea of being forced to share under threat of imprisonment.

>>128595767
>Socialism: the radical idea of sharing
>… by force

>>128613819
Stealing people labors at gunpoint, controlling price, planification of the economy, socialism in general does not work not because "its for the proletariat" and it wouldn't work if "it's for the national", it doesn't work because its based on false premises and the flavor you like it doesn't make it different.

>>128598147

He's the one that was born in an ex-communist shithole, not a fake country that has been coddled since 1945

I'm willing to bet he knows more about your ideology than you do

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>>128595767
> muh socialism is just sharing
A fucking anglo as usual.

>>128595767
>Is anyone else
>I've went through so many changes
>I've done a sort of full circle
>I went from
>That's not to say I wouldn't
>what gives?
>Don't get me wrong
>But I think
>Hell
tits or get the fuck out

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>>128614926
>it doesn't work because its based on false premises
Tell that to Germany retard. Their system worked just fine and had to have Commie and Capitalist fucks teaming up to destroy it.

>>128595767
Labour is that dirty old man in the van offering out free sweets. There is absolutely free sweets and they can all be yours, but you've got to take a leap of faith and get in the van.

However, nothing's free and you'll be anally and orally raped until you've paid for the next bag of sweets to entice the next victim.

Tories are the same, but without the free sweets.

Communism's more like Labour, except you never had a choice in the matter and the sweets are for the driver.

>>128595767
Socialism: the radical idea that productive merit is less important than making white liberals feel good about themselves

>>128600063
>A capitalist society will lose those virtues if elites can see that subverting them will grant a profit
look up hate speech laws in britain. capitalism is not the thing subverting your values

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>>128595767
Yesssssss.....the right type of socialism i hope....

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I am a right of center captialist progressive libertarian, but I am open to socialist safety nets.

>>128614556
>nationalist government.
Libertarian philosophy is a small central and states rights and you the consumer are supposed to vote with your wallet.
You can be able to get rich on your own. But more people are willing to be altruistic without having to be forced through taxes. Life has never been fair. Under where people have control would be the most fair.

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>>128595767
Sharing is voluntary.

>>128599567
>Just tired of seeing /pol/ defend over and over soulless mindless lawless corporations who'd throw you under the bus at any opportunity for a quick profit. You have to be smarter than this. I don't care about all your virtue signalling and your memes about left wings and liberals being degenerates. I'm not a liberal, but I believe in socialism. Suck my dick. Suck Zuckerberg's dick, Google's dick, coca cola's dick.

If you think state-backed dotcommie oligopolies are "free market capitalism" then you have a lot of growing up to do

Socialism in practice does nothing but create a wealthy political elite and an economic class of oligarch who are dependent on that elite to secure their privilege (and often individuals are members of both groups). Socialist policy in practice does nothing but cushion oligopolies from leaner competitors, and saddle the middle class with exorbitant financial burdens to pay for the unemployed class to remain unemployed, and to prevent them from ever being financially independent enough to challenge the extant ruling class of champagne socialist technocrats, billionaires, and career politicians. If you think socialism is ever going to look different than Cameron/Brown/Blair England or Obama America (in the first world) or China/Russia/India (third world), then you are sadly mistaken

>>128615657
/thread

>>128595767

>Thinking of capitalism and socialism in binary terms.

Ah, I remember being twelve.

>>128613127
Socialism sounds nice in theory, but when you realize how corrupt and incompetent the government is, it immediately loses any appeal.

>>128616083
Exactly

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>>128595767

>force all children in the west into socialist forced education centers for over a century
>people get more and more retarded on average
>zomg capitalism failed.

You filthy fucking sneaky communist faggots aren't fooling anyone anymore with all this fake concern, go fucking die in a hole you disingenuous lying freak, you and all your kind should be wiped out.

>>128615657

I guess it depends on the type of society you want to live in and whether determinism is real, or if you want to look like an edge lord on the internet for the chance somebody for once in your life thinks you're better than what you really are.

>>128595767
I am a socialist and also a white nationalist

>>128616083
As opposed to the types of things that corporations would do to you if they weren't regulated by the government and you weren't protected by laws right? Oh but the 'free-market' would prevent all of that right? lmfao

>>128615637
Either way, our current system is not what the Founding Fathers envisioned. You are not free when only a small amount of people(elite Kikes) get all the companies, all the wealth. and power of over government,banking and media. And the rest of us fight for scraps that isn't even real money. And if we did become rich, we would have to know our place otherwise the Kikes would ruin you. I mean when Hitler did what he did, the Kikes tried to boycott Germany into starvation, that could happen to any country now since Jews own all the banks in almost every nation. They could easily destroy any nation economically if they fight against this system. Tell me how any of that sounds American to you.

>>128615854
>If you think state-backed dotcommie oligopolies are "free market capitalism" then you have a lot of growing up to do
Oh of course, real capitalism has never been tried, right? :)

>>128595767
>socialism
>the radical idea of sharing
what is not yours

>>128595767
Fuck you my money is my money

>>128616714
Meanwhile capitalism is the radical idea of stealing what is not yours, then making laws ensuring that your monopoly on your stolen property is well protected, then repackaging it and reselling it at a massive markup to people who made it in the first place, all the while convincing them that they are the ones who wanted the entire transaction.

Socialism is more accurately described as the radical idea of demanding entitlement to things, and rather than being grateful, asking what more can be demanded as "entitlement". It just makes everyone poorer

>>128616582
You don't magically become rich... you're capable and pre-destined through determinism and you can continue believing the meme that the economy will collapse if we fight for the rights of the worker... the issue is people that we're trying to convince to fight for themselves and their families and the future of their families buy into the hyperbole that they will lose everything and turn into the USSR

>>128617038
The only people that push that ''we will turn into commies'' bullshit are the rich fucks who do not care about the people. Kind of like how rich fucks are the ones who promote open borders because they do not have to worry behind their top security, gated luxury homes. National Socialism gives everyone purpose, and still promotes individualism and rights to own property..

>>128614825
>ancaps have to appropriate Nazi imagery to feel edgy

>>128601481

Nationalist Capitalism is the answer. Fuse the self-reliance and ingenuity of the pioneer American with the discipline and determination of the pre-war German.

Social Democracy is the exact opposite. Fuse the materialism and social irresponsibility of capitalism with the kleptocracy and authoritarianism of socialism. Result is Islamic Caliphate within 100 years or your money back

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>>128595767
Socialism, the radical idea of demanding other peoples money, while being completely unwilling to share your own.
Case to support my postulate. The wast majority op people supporting are earning less than their country average salary. Clean and simple motive, "I don't want to be poor-fag, give me some of those rich peoples money".
The few who earn more that the average, eg. socialist politicians, keep that money to themselves. Give me examples of rich socialists who give the 'above average' part of their salary back to the state for redistribution.
Come on, name those true socialists, willing to lead by example.

>>128612504
THIS

>>128595767
Forced sharing
You are a dirty dindu

>>128595767
Socialism: The radical idea of taking from hard working people to give it to lazy anti-American NEETs who need to add to their manga collection and stuff their face with doritos.*

I fixed your img.

>>128615300
Their system worked so well that by 1938 there were speeding 21% of the gdp on weapons, they suffered from massive debt that the government took to realize the rearmament program, agriculture production after the 'blood and soil' program was barely the levels of 1913 at the same time that prices went up to 20%, the Reichsmark through printing and manipulation had more than 200 different official values and so on.

>>128616286
>I guess it depends on the type of society you want to live in
No it doesn't, what is it with socialist always claiming they have the moral high ground? The simple fact is taking peoples money without their permission and redistributing it to people, usually they imagine to themselves, is nothing short of theft. (Note, before you blabber on about it, this is different to spending on police force etc)

The rest of your post is literally "wahh you're mean look how much better i am than you".

>>128595767

> Enforced sharing
> Share or I'll break your bones
> Share or go to prison
> Share or get smeared by the public

socialism: the radical idea of killing more than literally any other ideology in the history of mankind

really flummoxes one's inner spinner

>>128595767
I'm from a country that's been in socialism for about 50 years.
Oh sure, it was fun as long as we were getting FREE MONEY from both Russia and USA. But guess what happened when the Cold War ended and the valve was closed?

All gone! Our country fell apart. Socialism only works when you have free money.

>>128618456
>Socialism, the radical idea of demanding other peoples money
If people have to work and pay into these things like universal healthcare, then it is not demanding other peoples money. If you decide to be a lazy neet, then you get thrown into a work camp and forced to work. With the way Germans had the 40 hour work week and paid vacations, next to no crime etc etc, then it again proves that socialism works if the government are nationalists and wish for the well being of the people. Of course this system should apply to citizens only, and it would take working and living in the country for 5 or more years to become a citizen and get the benefits.

>>128601738

Cultural Marxism was a socio-psychological poison pill created to attack capitalist societies through their weakest point — freedom. The intended outcome was to pave the way for socialism by creation of instability. Like most lab-grown disease weapons, it has now outgrown the control of it's creators, and is simply destroying all human civilization.

It has, however, taken root fastest in those societies which were the most socialist leaning to begin with, namely western Europe. America is proving more resistant primarily due to our worship of our constitution, which has bought us only about an extra decade relative to other western societies.

Cultural Marxism thrives in social democracies, however. Socialism in practice, as a means of repressing the naturally reactionary middle class to the joint benefit of the parasitic underclass and the parasitic kleptocrat class, is an ideal breeding ground for Cultural Marxism. Those least receptive to it's message (a prosperous middle class) are forced to live paycheck to paycheck while their children are brainwashed in universities, the elites are happy to use cultural Marxism as a weapon and the underclass is too stupid to understand it but can use its low cunning to capitalize on it (such as black live matter looting or demanding amnesty to transition from "hard worker" to "welfare recipient").

Long story short, Cultural Marxism was created by socialists to symbiotically feed off of and fuel increasing socialization of capitalist or mostly capitalist societies.

>>128616663

Real capitalism, when fused with Christianity and Nationalism, led the white race to rule 90% of the globe and constitute 34% of it's population.

Secular Globalist Socialism, ranging from moderate (New Deal America, post-war Europe) to extreme (Soviet Union) has led the white race to constitute 10% of the world's population and less than a quarter of it's landmass. Do the math

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>>128601555
wow nice meme friend! did you get that on facebook?

>>128617016
>stealing

If you accept some shiny beads for Manhattan that is your problem not mine. If I then take that empty deer preserve and turn it into the financial capital of the planet, you have precisely ZERO claim to it.

You weren't specifically referring to Indians, but the principle is the same. If it was so easy to go start a factory, hire workers, procure materials, set up sales contracts, and manage expense v. profit ratio to avoid bankruptcy, then the worker doing one movement in a production line would do it himself. "Bbbut his dad gave him the money" then his father earned it or his father's father etc. Successful transmission of a fortune to the third or fourth generation is actually extremely rare and has always been rare even in the time of hereditary aristocracy. When it happens, it is due to the skill and work ethic of the inheritors.

The only time when there is actually a scam is when the state steps in on behalf of an oligarch to cushion him from smaller competitors. Simply buying out competition is not enough, monopoly and oligopoly require state support to exist indefinitely.

The sole argument for government intervention is to avoid instability caused by the collapse of a monopoly or set of oligopolies, which is a valid trade off. Large government and high taxes do nothing but cushion the top 5-10% and the bottom 10-20% of the population at the expense of everyone else.

Also, oligarchs have arisen in every socialist nation in history, no matter how extreme. No powerful government will ever resist the temptation to hand out resource management (control) to the connected, and the controllers will never act altruistically. Show me one socialist nation where universal altruism on the part of members of the state resulted in zero, low, or even below-average levels of corruption—leaving aside entirely the issue of efficiency.

>>128595767

you don't have to share what is yours by right

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>>128595767
Why hasn't there been a single example of a successful socialist society anon?

Some of those on the right claim that socialism/communism and regulations are the major shortcomings of the modern economy. While not the most accurate (or well thought out) defense of free market capitalism, socialism and communism have indeed wreaked havoc on the world in their own sense. They also criticized socialism and communism for being collectivist, when in reality monopolies and voluntary collectives of individuals make up entire markets. When capitalists defend capitalism, they are for the most part defending proletariat capitalism which is that of petty buying, selling, and trading (of goods and services). The main criticism they share with leftists is that of bourgeoisie financing capitalism which is that of borrowing and spending. It essentially gambling of the select elite few at the expense of the masses. Free market capitalism inevitably leads to bourgeois capitalism which seeks to oppress the lower strata of society with loans, rent, debts, debits, credits, and claims on real assets. Financial assets are claims on real assets, they lack all intrinsic value without a market (Investopedia). Communism has fallen and so too will capitalism, although it may take a bit longer. The main reason for lack of cohesion and isolation in modern day nation-state is due primarily to neoliberal capitalist policy. “It emphasized the virtues of rolling back that state through privatization, deregulation and the reduction of taxes, particularly on the rich; of embracing globalization, particularly the globalization of finance; of controlling inflation and balancing budgets; and of allowing creative destruction full rein” (The Economist).

Capitalism has made the West extremely wealthy but almost none of that wealth goes to the workers of the nation(s). It seems that this current form of capitalism only benefits those who run the system or those born into aristocracy. The failure of capitalism and her markets and is inevitable. The financial crash that will happen mid to late 21st century cannot be halted, only stalled. A system based on continuous growth cannot last forever. If we follow the thought process of Keynesian economics, macroeconomic failure is inevitable and will help growth in the long run, when it is not specified when the growth will stop. The nation who consumes everything will eventually consume itself. We must bring upon the idea of rational consumption and replacement if we are to sustain growth past this century. Without order or rules to the game, the free market descends into chaos and expectantly fails. Some nationalists claim to love capitalism but Capitalism does not care about the people, their culture, or their nations. Capitalism cares to the extent at which it will turn these things into a consumer product for which can then be bought and sold to the masses in the globalized market. This is the explicit evil in capitalism, it has the inherent ability to sell slavery as freedom. The basic concept of supply and demand holds true in all economic systems, and especially in Capitalism. But I cannot deny the idea is inherently flawed and is rudimentary at best. If the masses are brainwashed to accept slavery, will there ever be a demand for freedom or even a supplier ready to provide in contrast to monopolistic competition? There is no such thing as infinite supply or demand either, they are all finite concepts. Human needs are reduced to mere economic thought and surplus is destroyed for profit.

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We have become collectivized in our pursuit of material wealth. “America too, in the essential way it views life and the world, has created a “civilization” that represents the exact contradiction of the ancient European traditional. It has introduced the religion of praxis of productivity; it gas put the quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements over and above any other interest. It has generated a soulless greatness of a purely technological and collective nature, lacking any background of transcendence, inner light, and true spirituality. America has also put the view in which man is considered in terms of quality and personality within an organic system in opposition with that view in which man becomes a mere instrument of production and material productivity within a conformist social conglomerate” (Evola, Revolt p. 350). The libertarian argument is “let people do/watch what they want, it can’t kill them” or “laissez-faire” but this statement fails to answer “Who puts these ideas into the public’s conscience and why.” People love to shout “conspiracy theorist,” but there is an inherent benefit to special interest groups who control the global capitalistic order to control the flow of information and what people read and watch. This whole concept of perfect or free information is trifled by monopolistic competition. Tell people what to buy and consume, let them know which ideologies are “trending” and to an extant; it tells people how to act and how to react to those who act outside of the norm. Those who disregard this order of “popular opinion” will be ostracized if they even begin to question these “experts” or “intellectuals.” Conservatives too, buy the same propaganda as progressives but they fail to realize it.

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>>128595767
>Is anyone else socialist politically in 2k17?
Yes.

Socialism is the idea that workers should own the means of production. It is not welfare. It is democracy, self-detemination, entrepreneurship and responsibility.

Fuck the immigrants, though.

>>128617016
are you a socialist? I'm asking because I don't have anything right now and I want to know what are you willing to share with me and others reading this message

make a list of everything you are willing and going to share with me right now, no questions asked, simply giving it up to a stranger because that's what you believe in

I'll be waiting your list

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>>128623027
So why has there never been a successful socialist nation?

Do you support the use of force against me?

The radical idea of forcing people to share at gunpoint you retard, don't strawman your own position.

>sharing
>redistribution
pick one and only one, you gigantic fucking faggot

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>>128595767
>Is anyone else socialist politically in 2k17?
Sure.

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>>128595767
>defending socialism
that's a capitalism benefit I guess
when you run out of food or fight to death for toilet paper like Venezuela's 21 century socialism you will understand

>>128623027
Please tell me when someone goes from being a worker to magically becoming the oppressor. It's the exact opppsite of responsibility. It tells you to take from people who have more. It's the exact opposite of entrepreneurship. It tells you entrepreneurs are oppressors who need to be dealt with violently.
God you people are cancer.

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>>128595767

>>128623446
true

>>128621937
Most European countries, just because a country has socialist policies doesn't mean they have to rule out using capitalism in it's entirety.

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>>128625054
>Most European countries
Most European countries are extremely high in economic freedom and EVERY european nation is capitalist anon. There can't be a "partially socialist" society, socialism calls for the abolishment of private property.

>>128625054
what european countries have given the means of production to the workers? do you think subsidised health care or education makes a country socialist?

If so, have you already forgotten how all european countries gave up a huge chunk of tax payer money (decades worth) to rescue the fucking banks while they closed hospitals, privatized education and left all those that lost their homes to rot in the streets? Is this really what socialism is about in your mind? Do you consider those countries socialist? Why don't we then own the banks instead of the banks owning our countries?

>>128597933
The ultimate truth is that basically any system of government works in a homogeneous white society.
As long as we have that I'll get behind socialism no problem.

>>128625306
socialism calls for the abolishment of private property.
That's communism's pipe dream not socialism. And no they aren't the exact same thing.

>>128624267
Being this accurate in a meme

>>128595767
Socialism is all well and fine. Much as most people won't admit it (especially the ones who've benefitted most from it - LOOKING AT YOU BOOMERS), the US has been socialist since the 1930s. The current problems in most western countries stem more from multiculturalism and open borders than anything else. We've also become far too tolerant of political corruption and pluralist organizations hijacking the legislative process.

Socialism in small doses is fine. It makes people less risk-averse and more prone to reaching their full potential. Works best in monocultures.

>>128599567
Welfare is not the same thing as law, civilization, education, or mass production. A socialist nation should work towards doing away with welfare as it currently exists, as well as removing all minorities and nonwhites from the nation in the first place.

Our corporate owners actually like welfare, it's a small price to pay (considering it's US paying for it) for cheap immigrant laborers and a little conflict to keep the workers from realizing who the real problem is.

>>128616500
Where did I say I was a lolbertarian? Just because I think the government is a bloated mess doesn't mean I'm a proponent of unregulated capitalism, you fucking imbecile.

>>128623841
No you retard. Entrepreneur is a worker who owns the means of production. Literally none of you can manage anything beyond a strawman

>>128625739
Also there is two types of private property to leftists. One is personal property (toothbrush, guitar, home etc.) the other is the private property of the means of production (think factories). (Most) Leftists want to destroy the private ownership of the means of production so that way employees can own the factories they work in rather than all the capital going into the hands of the few. Not only that they want the surplus/profit to be distributed.

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>>128595767

From a global perspective every first worlder is an instagram kid with a $10k wine bottle. So let's plunder UK, Sweden, Switzerland until they are brought down to a fair and equal Nigerian level of wealth - the world would be so much better off, no?

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>>128627588
>One is personal property (toothbrush, guitar, home etc.) the other is the private property of the means of production (think factories)
Of course the problem is that these are so often intertwined in the modern age.

>>128625626
>what european countries have given the means of production to the workers?
Nationalised industries are still the means of production and they're present in Europe.

>do you think subsidised health care or education makes a country socialist?
They are socialist policies, yes and many other things paid for by the state. I never said they didn't have Capitalism but to people saying that socialism is bad and doesn't work whatsoever is just plain wrong.

>If so, have you already forgotten how all european countries gave up a huge chunk of tax payer money (decades worth) to rescue the fucking banks while they closed hospitals, privatized education and left all those that lost their homes to rot in the streets?
That was a fuck up of deregulated capitalism and the rescue of the banks was necessary to stop things becoming worse than what they are now. It was shitty but it had to be done or things would have been much worse than they are now. The problem with it is that they've pretty gotten off scot free because money talks and the less well off are still footing the bill. This is a problem with democracy not the effects of socialism.

>>128597933
That's always going to happen. The best people get an advantage over the average people and it snowballs from there.

Every sport, the economy, karma on Reddit. A small percentage eventually reaps most of the rewards.

The only thing you manage to do by spreading this wealth(if you are successful) is taking away people's incentive to compete. And if you are not successful, then everyone who's less intelligent will just lose their money to the more intelligent all over again.

>>128627906
They are the same thing.

Stop jerking about socialism; you're living in one of the most socialist countries on the planet bar Norway and Sweden. If you want free shit, just ask for free shit. Just vote for the immigrants and women's party, they'll inject you with all the free shit you want. The problem is that you're a bad return on investment; you're an insolvent serf who will spend his money on videogames and chicken tendies.

Socialism is the best worst idea ever. In the short-term, you'll get free shit and nigger voters love free shit; long term you're burning the capital stock, money that could've been invested into long term employment. As of right now, the capital stock is basically insolvent and only outside investor have the means and balls to invest in our low-margin western shitholes. China and other developing nations have copied our monetary-scams and know the jig is up. We're basically giving banks money to spend because all their investments became worthless after 2008.

After 30~ years of western socialism, we actually forgot the value of housing (more expensive than a nigger thinks) and pursued nigger-tier policies, like printing money (just by another name).

tl;dr socialism is fucking stupid; you're funding single nigger families at the cost of white families. In the worst case, the government will raise the tax-rate to import more Somali immigrants into the country; like Sweden with it's effective 81% taxrate. OP is a nigger.

>>128627906
Indeed, modern society does indeed blur the boundaries with materialism as Evola points out. When Marx wrote Manifesto the exploitation of the Industrial Revolution was at its peak. Sixteen hour work days and child labor lead to the birth of the labor/union movements. Some leftists don't even use Marx as much as the right likes to cry "Karltural Marxists!" to be frank Manifesto is dated at best. If anything we should decentralized some of the wealth yet still retain some form of hierarchy to maintain innovation and transcendence

>>128595767
i relate to what youre saying a lot, bit ive just gone through reading solzhenitsyn, mein kampf, and juri lina... i can never support democracy.
hitler really was the good guy.
kubrick was extremely redpilled

>>128595767
also, why dont you just grow some fucking balls and just vote for who you like.
it doesnt matter if they dont win. if everyone would just vote how they actually felt, democracy would be much less malignant

>>128595767
it's called NatSoc. also known as "what fascism actually means"

>>128595767
What do you think Nazi means OP? National Socialist
Aka roughly half the posters on this board are socialists according to most of the surveys that are run (arguably more since many NS refuse to participate in anything that could be the FBI etc profiling)

>>128629719
Also known as :"Doesn't work like the original but now is the fault not of the capitalist but the capitalist jew".

>>128595934
Or you can ignore them and set a solid example for the movement without sperging out dipshit

>>128628627
this

well said

>>128621122
I made it myself soo...

>>128595767
it's garbage, kill yourself.

>>128595767
What's more important, fiscal policy or immigration?
I'll give you a clue, it's immigration. Economic fuck up can be reversed. Immigration is here to stay, forever, unless we actually start deportation or genocide (which we won't).
So why would you vote for Corbyn, who doesn't even have the guts to say whether he wants immigration to go up or come down?

>>128599567
>human nature is bad blah blah
So what - it exists. You can't ignore it just because you find it distasteful, you autistic robot, you have to take it in mind and work around it. Something socialism completely fails to do.
>if everyone just-
They don't. Grow the fuck up and stop dreaming of utopias.

>>128616083
It doesn't fucking sound nice. The core idea, not having any claim to what you earn, is abhorrent. It's immoral, outright inhuman and couldn't possibly result in anything but a complete nightmare. It's not "nice", it's fucking slavery.

>>128601463
>Politicians need to all stick to a price plan or something so they cant be bullied
like the paris agreement?