As an American I cannot imagine having to cower under a table

in america the arabs would have assault rifles. You just wait, they're planning all kinds of shit state-side.

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>even the initial police on scene ran away
>london mayor ghenis khan's face when

>>128411634
Same here ameribro. Because of the Orlando shooting I went and got my CCW and my sig P938. Carry every time I leave the house

you must be confusing the average /pol/ user with the kind of urbanite faggots who live in london and go to normie concerts

absolutely no helplessness, i've got a couple of shotguns 10 feet away anyway

>>128411732

Doesn't matter, I doubt those dine coons can aim for shit

>>128411634

UK
> 3 terrorists with knives kill 7 and injure 40, potentially a few more fatalities in days to come

USA
>1 man walks into a club and kills 50 people with an assault rifle

on numbers alone it's safer for everyone to not have guns than it is for everyone to have guns

>>128411896

>implying you can take those blunderbus' out in public

>>128411634
Actually shocked the advice given by police for a knife wielding man is to hide under a table

If those police were defeated the terrorists could commit murder easier

>>128411959

>walking into a gay club

Even on cowboy night all the guns are costume toys

>>128411732
Yeah the Last ones that pulled that shit in Texas died to an off duty cop. All the Gear and AR's can't save them.

>>128411634
>proficient
do brits even get to say this word? we generally reserve it for affinity with weapons, but I suppose it could transfer to something less important...

>>128411959
>Implying Faggots are people.

>>128412088

Proficient at hiding under the table while watching police run away

>>128411634
studying for mine. have known a couple of actual tough guys. i'm not, but i'll train to be useful should it become necessary.

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>>128411879
That one really hit home for me.. I was born and raised in Florida. I grew up in central florida about an hour or so from Orlando so we'd go there a lot to the clubs or use our season passes for the theme parks... that could have easily been us.

>>128411732
Like guns aren't illegal in France, and the sand niggers still had AK's.

>>128411969
you're telling me your peashooter will put up a good fight against a sandnigger with an AK? you'd better be LARPing as someone with a CCW. when ahmed and his friends have a pop at you fat fuckers they sure as fuck won't be using pistols to do it.

>americans trying to say they would be safer in the event of a terrorist attack

jej, you severely overestimate your countrymen. i also guarantee if there's 5 people with CCWs nearby, 4 of them will still run and hide if they hear gunfire.

>>128411634
>>128412049

BBC radio keeps saying that it was amazing that their special armed police responded and killed the attackers in 8 minutes.

IF that is even true.

8 fucking minutes of stabbing innocents is a long time.

It just proves the necessity of the 2nd Amendment. If any citizen there was carrying they could've stopped all three. If the police that responded first were armed they could've stopped all three far sooner than 8 minutes.

Holy fuck they are patting themselves on the back so hard about this failure, its disgusting.

Do we have a timeline of when the unarmed police showed up?

I feel sorry for brit/pol/, your country is just so fucked in the head. First they're proud they don't have armed police, then they're proud of their specially armed police's delayed response, why not just fucking arm your police, why not have self-defense and conceal carry. Fuck.

>>128412450
Based Seminole county checking in.

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>>128412075
>Be ISIS arab
>Get an idea to gain Allah's favor
>Plan terrorist attack
>Hmm, I wonder which state I should choose
>I know, i'll choose Texas. It's too big to have a quick police response. I'll kill dozens!
>Get weapons, gear
>Get my boy Muhammed Alakamari to come with me
>Let the carnage begin
>420noscoped by offduty texas ranger
>mfw

>>128411732

Good guys with guns are always better shots than bad guys with guns. People of character who choose to carry take the responsibility seriously and go to the range to practice.

>>128412530

You're legally obliged in some states to retreat first - in that situation though I'm not sure how fluid laws would be.

And yes, even something as small as a 9mm can kill somebody if the person using it knows what to do and how to line up their shots.

99.9% of ragheads spray and pray, id say most somewhat proficient people with pistols would have a decent chance of protecting themselves

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>>128411634
Should have slaughterd more of them if you ask me.

>>128412530
>Faggot who isn't allowed to have a gun telling us how effective guns are

sure thing there crumpet. just make sure you cower and kiss islamic ass and maybe they wont make you swallow ahkmeds load

>>128411817
>even the initial police on scene ran away

How many people died/were injured because the initial police on scene didn't have guns?

UK are you boneheaded? You already have police with guns, just give them all guns.

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>>128412658
>DUUUUUUUUUUVAL

>>128411634
Issue becomes the terrorist will have a gun too.

>>128412530
A bullet to the head with almost any caliber will suffice...it would not be a 1 on 1 high noon showdown dummy.

>>128411634
>fuck yeah guns :DDD
Grow up already. Guns kill more people than terrorists do.

>>128412530

you're right britbong, its better to cower be executed one by one

>>128412923

They get guns anyways like in Belgium and France.. But now they've figured out they don't need guns, just a big truck and a nice killzone to mow people down.

>>128411634
its not even a question of weapons. euros are cucks, americans are the hard pioneers who left the old world and survived the trials of colonization in a new world, and fought and won 2 wars of independence against the greatest military superpower of the time (coincidentally one of the biggest cucks of euro today)

even when in europe america stops terror attacks, just regular dudes step up without weapons and fuck up terrorist ass. id like to think there are plenty of brits who would do the same, but chances are they dont live in london. im sure some SAS guys wish they were out for a pint at the place the muslim faggots chose, no doubt they could have enriched the face of those arabs

>>128412923

Remember when texas had a draw muhammad contest?

Then 2 radical Islamist came to shot up the place?

then they died instantly because everybody in texas has a gun?
thats what happens when bad guys and good guys have the same weapons

>>128412804
>99.9% of ragheads spray and pray
it's literal lol, they scream prayers to allah while hipfiring like retards

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>>128413023
Guns kill criminals, whom are no longer people.

>>128412897

I read somewhere that a lot of the police in the UK refuse to carry.

I'm not sure why or how you would refuse that other than being scared of guns which brings up other problems in that line of work

>>128412923

If you had something like the 2nd amendment you'd also have freedom of speech and other nasty things.

Instead you get to watch your women being murdered in front of you. But hey you have chairs.

Don't postpone the West's defeat -- bin that seat!

>>128412530
whatever helps you sleep, pal...

>>128411634
>As an American I cannot imagine having to cower under a table because some arabs have a hunting knife
Except
- In a school
- In an airplane
- In a public building
- In several cuck states

>>128413183
Yeah thats the thing. America wont help Europe this time. Or at all. The people that join the military aren't liberals. You idiots dug your bed while shitting and lecturing the very people that you rely on to protect you. Have fun dummies

>>128413293
>refuse to carry
>flee knife-wielding terrorists
>let innocents be murdered
>because you don't want to carry

Man fuck UK. I used to be a huge anglophile when I was a kid -- dreamed about living in the UK and going to school there, ate up britbooks and britcoms. But it is a shithole of delusional cowards.

I just wish these terror attacks were a daily occurance, maybe they would wake the fuck up.

>>128413369

Except not in states like Texas, also most schools have an armed police, airplanes have a plainclothes armed air marshall, public buildings have armed law enforcement/security.

>>128411634
I'm not necessarily pro or anti-gun, but one thing to keep in mind is that if guns were easily accessible in the UK, then the odds are they'd be attacking civilians with guns and not knives.

If you're out on the town at night on a social event, are you going to be carrying your gun? Likely not, in fact if guns were legal the odds of you being allowed into social events such as a pub/club or whatever, with a weapon, are very slim.

So the question really becomes, do you want to be attacked with men with guns, or with men with knives, and as horrible as the though of knives are, I'd pick knives over guns any day.

Look at something like the paris attacks and 10's are dead straight away, vs knife attack where most people were wounded but not critically, only a few people actually died.

>>128413734

It's not even just Texas. The majority of states have pretty comparable carry laws.

New York and California are really the only two bad ones.

>>128413878
imagine being this cucked

>>128413878
If you guys had guns maybe you wouldn't have been pussified to this extent and even if you lot passed a bill to give everyone a gun 90% of them would be too scared to even touch them.

>>128411634
But yank, you wouldn't have your gun. Unless you bought a knife on your way to the restaurant, you wouldn't have that. As yanks don't know how to fight without a gun, you would be worse of than brits who do. Frankly you would wet yourself and cry.

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>>128411634

>be James
>try to wank me pecker
>porn blocked by fokkin roasties who dont want lads to wank to patriarchal imagery
>head to pub instead
>"oy brov ill take me a pint of lager"
>tells me they only sell non-alcoholic beer in solidarity with Muslim sensitivities
>well fok it then, cant wank me dick, cant drink a pint, moight as well take a non-alcoholic pint and fist me asshole
>joke with the bartender, "ha m8, i see shitstains on ya floors, the poos been in here? probably better than the muzzies eh"
>all the sudden from outside the pub I hear ALLAHOO AKHBAR!!!!! and a loud bang
>get off me romp to see whats goin on
>3 men jump out of an exploded van and are stabbing people
>holy fok m8
>scared
>OH THANK GOD ME COPS ARE HERE
>RULE BRITANNIA
>see copper peddling as fast as he can on his 3-speed emissions-complying bicycle
>you can tell his short shorts are chaffing his thighs
>see no weapon
>MATE WAT THE FOK IS THIS WANKER DOING
>see him peddle right past a 12 year old girl being bludgeoned to death by a terrorist
>slams open the door of the pub
>"MATE WHO THE FOK IS SAYING RACIST SHIT IN THIS FOKKIN PUB"
>"OY ILL FOKKIN ARREST U SICK RACIST CUNTS, NOW EVERYONE FACE MECCA AND APOLOGIZE THIS INSTANT"
>puts me in cuffs as I profusely apologize for being white
>"U FOKKIN SIK BASTARD IVE GOT MULTIPLE REPORTS OF U SAYING RACIST SHIT"
>walk outside to chaos and dead bodies
>copper steps over all the dead children
>cop tells me to straddle him as he peddles
>tells me its okay if i get a boner because penises are a social construct
>found guilty of all charges after a rapist gets off for "not understanding British culture and consent"
>end up wanking off muzzies in the yard

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>>128413878

Of course I carry when I go out. If you get the permit you aren't getting it to frame on your wall and never take advantage of its perks.

Also, as long as it's not a school or federal building - you can conceal carry in it and nobody will even know, and if they find out the worst they can do is ask you to leave.


I would rather have the option of protecting myself instead of hiding under a table if that's what you're asking.

>>128414131

>says people don't know how to fight without a gun

>terrorists and migrants running wild all over his country with no concequences

Nigel pls

>>128411634
Why'd nobody just hit him with a chair... or a car?

>>128411634

It's all ok OP. Theresa May on the radio just told me so.

As she says we need to shutdown the interwebz cos its dangerous.

>>128413878

The only reason these faggots didn't have guns is because they were broke-ass niggers.

Guns can be gotten especially by muslims.

All you are doing is ensuring 8 minutes of unopposed slaughter.

How can you justify the first police on the scene fleeing because they didn't have guns, allowing the terrorists to continue their stabbing spree?

How many died/were wounded because only *some* of your police are armed? If you're going to arm *some*, why not arm them all?

Oh I get it you have your traditions and sensibilities so you'd rather innocent people be slaughtered.

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>>128411732
we also have a plan, it's called being american.

>>128413369
Only in "gun-free" zones, smug Frenchbro, but keep believing the lugenpresse. After you reduce the continent to rubble (for the 3rd time in a century) in the process of de-jihadifying, we'll come help rebuild. Again.

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>>128413023

Grow up, and stop spewing Jew propaganda like a good little slave. They want you disarmed you idiot. Shouldn't that tell you something?

>>128414076
>>128414098
Well something like a third of american households own guns, yet in Orlando when the muzzies open fire at people enjoying a night out, no one is shooting back.

With guns one muslim killed 49 people in America, with knives 3 muslims killed 7 people.

So maths dictates we're having a better time of it, and that actually, fantasy of Americans whipping out their guns to bravely defend themselves in day to day activities is nothing but fantasy.

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>>128414280
>BBC mourns death of 12 year old girl as their pedophiles didn't have a chance to molest her first

>>128413023
>"grow up because you have an opinion"
>stop liking what I don't like
Boy I bet you're a real debate prodigy too, just full of constructive ideas

>>128414131
You fucking guys really are sheep. You believe every meme. Go ahead and bring that talk over to any blue collar bar in the States. you'l get lumped up, quicklike and nobody will even draw down on you. They'll probably even buy you a beer after.

>>128411634
You probably couldn't fit under a table you fat cunt.

>>128414131
>Mental gymnastics to say 'never bring a gun to a knife fight'

>>128414373
Our niggers occasionally cause a ruckus. Were as your niggers are on permanent chimp out. How many dead have you had so far this year?
We have a problem, we will consider it, then find a solution.

>>128414131
You've never met an American have you?

>>128414620
>Gays
>Historically liberal
>Opposed to guns
Gee why did no one kill him if everyone has a gun

>>128414620
>no one is shooting back
>NO ONE IS SHOOTING BACK

See that was the problem, it was a "gun-free zone" which is what terrorists target. Also some faggot locked the exit door to save himself.

>Americans whipping out their guns to bravely defend themselves in day to day activities is nothing but fantasy.

It literally happens every day. Every week in my city alone, someone is defending themselves from a carjacker, or burglar, or home invaders. Also defending their neighbors. Its so common it barely makes the local news, so of course you never hear about it.

Self-defense is AWESOME. It is a way of life, just like you being a coward is your way of life.

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>>128414620

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>>128414861
>Brits aren't fat because they're constantly running away from terrorists

>>128414131
This is a pretty valid point though. I have a CCW but only carry it with me to work. Everywhere else, such as outings with my family to McDonalds for a juicy burger, I don't carry. The sad fact is that when these things happen, you're never prepared... And it's not as if you possess some sort of spidersense to help you detect an attacker beforehand. Not to mention that odds are if they see you with a gun strapped to your person, they'll likely target you first.
That said, I don't think guns should be illegal here. They'd just flow in from mexico just like all the heroin, crack, and weed supplying criminals with all they need to wreck a defenseless individual.

>>128414291
Right, but even if you carry absolutely everywhere and never do activities where you're more than a few feet from your gun at all times, you're certainly an exception and not the rule, again in America where almost anyone can get a gun over the counter there's plenty of shootouts in areas with hundreds of civilians, none of which are carrying guns and able to defend themselves.

>>128414455
>The only reason these faggots didn't have guns is because they were broke-ass niggers.
I'm not one to say that making guns illegal makes them impossible to get, but the heavy sentences that go with gun possession in the UK makes them extremely expensive to get a hold of, because with that risk comes a hefty price tag, which does keep the guns mostly out of the hands of wannabe Muslim terrorists.

>>128414455
>All you are doing is ensuring 8 minutes of unopposed slaughter.
But the same thing happens in the US where everyone can have a gun. except in those 8 minutes way more people are likely to die because it's much easier to slaughter people with a gun.

I actually can't justify the police not having guns, I think they should do. Again I'm not really anti-gun but I think that it's pretty common for pro gun people to boast the benefits of guns without fairly looking at the drawbacks.

The police absolutely should be armed, at least a lot more frequently than they are.

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>>128414280
Such is life in Britbongistan caliphate

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I'm from Texas and I usually carry my Springfield Armory XD .45 with 13 round mag under my coat and my Ruger LCR .38 Special +P 5 Round Revolver and in my truck I have my Mini 14 with two 30 mags full of .223s. I live in outside of the city limits on 10 acres of land where I have my own outdoor shooting range I pretty much shoot everyday after work. I have a 30 yard target wall and a a 100 yard target wall for my rifle. I am not afraid of people with knives or guns as I've had guns pointed at me several times in my life home and abroad. I lived and worked in Nigeria, Angola, Trinidad etc, If someone jumped up at a function I was attending and even remotely looked as if they were going to harm me or anyone there. I wouldn't think twice of putting one in the head two in the chest before they good get the second syllable out of allah akbar or whatever the fuck they say. And most likely I would be a hero and the police and any witnesses would lie for me to make sure nothing happened to me legally.

>>128415246
It's called an EVERY DAY CARRY for a reason dumbass. You only have a fire extinguisher in your house every third Monday of the month or what?

Thousands of you are murdered and raped by niggers and Mexicans every year. White people are infinitely more likely to be victims of crime in the USA than the other way around

What are you doing about it? Why is every city in America infinitely more dangerous for whites than anywhere in the UK and Europe?

Why are more whites killed in Chicago for being white every month than Europeans are killed by Muslims every year?

>>128411959

In both cases, seems so little was lost...

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>>128411634
>No fear

>>128415482
Why would I carry my gun to a mcdonalds of all places... Come on, I know most /pol/sters don't go outside nor have families, but you've gotta have a bit of common sense. I would not feel comfortable if someone brought a gun into a restaurant where my kids are eating... Carry your CCW with you into troubled areas and keep a switchblade or something similar with you elsewhere...

>>128415263

Every example you have in mind there was nobody shooting back because they were "gun free zones".

The terrorist attacks that are thwarted by someone carrying don't have the big bodycount, or any bodycount other than the terrorists, so you are just simply unaware. Is this confirmation bias or circular logic or a self-fulfilling prophecy on your part?

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>>128411959
Even you must know you're grasping at straws ^^

>>128415519
>whites killed in Chicago for being white
This isn't actually terribly common, I mean it happens but most of the murders in Chicago are basketball Americans blasting one of their own. It's a huge problem but it's not the same as joburg

>>128414846
A meme, is it I have watched how you react every time, some one chimps out with a gun. Over here you start a bar fight in a working-class bar, you will end up with a glass in your face, and a joker smile.

>>128411634
Even if you had no weapon you would have objects to use as weapons. Chairs, mirrors, tables, etc. These faggots threw napkins and bottles at him.

Thanks our laws we can carry our guns with us. Especially in my eastern Silesian region i would imagine people would lynch these attackers easily.

>>128415412

Ma nigga. I'm a noguns Texan, I just can't decide what to buy.

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>>128415412

I carry the same Springfield and I daydream about doing that shit, except I'm in FL

>>128415624
>have a concealed pistol permit
>still afraid of the gun
You don't have to walk with one in the pipe and the safety off dumbass, and anyway getting into and out of your car in a parking lot is the #1 place to get jumped, McDonald's is one of the main places I would want to be strapped, have you ever even watched a worldstar video for fucks sake

>>128411959
Stop making us look bad you fucking pussy.

>>128415624

That's why its concealed, so you don't know and your fweelwings are pwotwected.

>>128415677
An armed society is a polite society. Mutilating your neighbors over a bar fight doesn't seem like something we would crow about.

Didnt a muslim shot up a club or smth and nobody gunned him down?

>>128415841
>etting into and out of your car in a parking lot is the #1 place to get jumped, McDonald's is one of the main places I would want to be strapped, have you ever even watched a worldstar video for fucks sake
No, because I'm white and live in a 90%+ white state.
t. vermont

>>128414131
we might be rash and stupid but we wont wet ourselves and cry. of course we are a nation of 300 million so i cant speak for everyone but our fighting spirit is something that is generally pretty american

>>128411634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22q_4K3sTaY

>>128415104
Yeah which is the point, isn't it? That terrorists get to plan for months or years how and where to attack where people are at their weakest, and it's simply not realistic to have guns absolutely everywhere.

You could make everywhere a place that allows guns and they'd simply show up at a swimming pool or something where most people are away from their stuff (and their guns) and hose everyone down while they're defenseless.

What are you going to do, never do an activity where you're more than 3ft from your gun?

Either way it's a shit situation, and yes ideally we'd all like to be shooting at people carrying knives because that's an easy case of self defence wins, but that's not actually what happens because if you allow guns then they're shooting at you. And if you're not well prepared, and they are, then they're going to kill you.

Again 3 people with knives and a van killed 7 that's an average of 2.3 people each before they were stopped. And 1 person with a gun can shoot up a theater or a night club and basically kill 50 people on their own.

Anyway guns are fucking cool, I went shooting when i was in Vegas, shoot a whole bunch of WW2 guns, Thompson full auto was awesome, some guy was shooting a minigun next to me, that thing is a beast.

>>128415711

Did you listen to any of the interviews? British males had to watch one of their women stabbed to death in front of them because they only had some flimsy chairs for weapons.

>>128415412
I believe every word of this. The popular narrative forgets how many guys (and gals) like you there are. It's a big fucking country, with alot of country type folk in it and they learn to shoot early and do it for fun and (occasionally) to feed themselves. There are literally millions of them. Millions.

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>>128411634
Imagine that, here we had a referendum asking people if we should have the rights to keep our guns and guess what? 91% voted to remain with the guns, 1 fcking year after it became almost impossible to have a gun because the government didn't give a fck and created the one of the most restrict no-gun law. Seriously, you have to be an active military and even then its complicated. Of course every single criminal has one, even the poor ones. Our main crime organization had 2 fcking active tanks, literally.

>>128414980
Actually yes I have, your not all tough guys. Any more than we are. The difference is, when it comes to fights we don't automatically think gun. One of those knife men in London got a bottle and a table thrown at him.

>>128416067
>simply not realistic to have guns absolutely everywhere

It absolutely is realistic, as long as faggy liberals aren't in power in state legislature.

>>128414280
lol, i want to believe the police are not total cucks there. im pretty sure generally they are patriotic types who want to defend and help the public, its not their fault cuck liberal politicians handicap. honestly its impressive they decide to go ahead and continue their jobs despite the roadblock. no way you could ever convince me to be a policeman without a weapon. its an essential tool for the job, bad guys dont listen to reason or harsh words, and tend to carry weapons themselves

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>>128415784
i recommend the Ruger LCR .38 Special +P it's lightweight and is more powerful than a .357 Magnum. It's fbi standard issue.

>>128415980
Why would you care about demographics that much when we are talking about carrying a tool for a fringe event? It's unlikely any of us will ever have to use our EDC but we carry because everyone who ever needed one thought the same. Also, your rights need to be positively asserted to mean anything. Be thankful you live in a country where you're allowed to carry every day with very few exceptions.

>>128415624
You are either a shill, or a complete faggot. You have your CC permit, you have a family, but you won't carry in order to protect your family. What kind of faggot won't carry to protect his family?

>>128415246

>getting a license just not to use it.

What the fuck are you doing?

>>128411634
I just don't get it why 100 guys crawled under the tables because of 1 guy with a knife.
I mean even if he had a gun, you could overpower him or throw something at him. Like chairs, lol.

>>128415542
Savage nip

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>>128415652
No it's just reality because even if you remove all the laws about gun free zones they will continue to exist everywhere because people can eject you off their land for carrying, and there's always going to be gun free nightclubs and bars and pretty much everything, and people STILL go into those places in real life because people need to live their lives day to day, it's not an action movie where everyone is carrying and ready to have a John Woo stand off at every moment.

>>128415263

>where anyone can get a gun OTC

Believe it or not, that isn't true. I know your media says it but to legally obtain a gun you have to be clean on numerous checks.

>>128416253

Yeah, I listened to the interview of the guy who threw the chairs. He watched a woman get stabbed to death because "there was nothing I could do" BECAUSE HE WAS UNARMED.

>>128414620
>>128414620
come on, you think the gay and transvestites who voted for obama twice are going to carry guns or be the type to stand up and fight? they are essentially defenseless women, probably even more so. the fuckers were locking the doors behind them after they saved themselves, trapping countless dozens in the room with the gunman. part of the reason why he got such a high kill count, people couldnt escape due to blocked doors

>>128413254
>tfw you're proud to be Texan
>I'm not even Texan

God bless Texas.

>>128416366
I read somewhere that they were wearing fake bomb vests. That explains it. Brits don't fear a brawl. An explosive vest? That makes sense to me.

>>128415542

Zipperhead bringing the bants

>>128416067
So should we just have MORE gunfree zones for the muzzies to spray and pray in then? You make no sense at all.

>>128416314
>>128416353
read my comments. i carry to work, mostly because i have to travel through a troubled area to get there. i see no need to carry to a restaurant in my city, because there arent any muslims or minorities that i feel are an immediate danger to me or my family.
>>128416308
>>128416308
demographics matter dude. when I was living in georgia as a kid, I carried everyday and everywhere. It's different now that I'm in vermont. I don't have to do that as much because there is no crime.

>>128416366
>I just don't get it why 100 guys crawled under the tables because of 1 guy with a knife
Because there was police officers in the room yelling at them to get under the table.
You don't know what's happening, it could be a bombing, a guy with a rife, a tank.

But yeah, it's the UK, it was a guy with a butter knoife.

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>>128416296
>.38 special
>more powerful than .357 mag
you're a fucking moron and it could get this guy killed
>See pic related
FBI shot .40s&w for a long time iirc, not sure what they use now but it's probably +P 9mm gold dots

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Yes you are right I am a hunter as well. I have all the skills I need to walk into the woods with a .22 rifle and live comfortably off the land. If you can't kill, quarter, skin and gut your food and cook it on your own without help what will you do. Go learn how to do these things fellas. It's for your own benefit.

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>>128416584
>Brits don't fear a brawl

>>128415670

Chicago is a terrible place for a black person if you don't want to be killed by another black person

>>128415105
its not even the fact their laws make that illegal that is so pathetic, its the fact the police gloat about the seizures and post pictures on twitter. cringey as fuck

>>128416296
38 Special +P is certainly NOT more powerful than any average .357 magnum load. You are a retard.

>>128416275
No it's not, not if you give private land owners (including businesses) the ability to have to not enter their land if you're armed.

There's a certain loss of freedom associated with not being able to go and do day to day things because you feel like you absolutely need to carry all the time.

I certainly don't think it's clean win for gun owners, you're trading one thing for another. In the UK we're relatively safe against guns pretty much everywhere. They are used but mostly by gangs vs each other because no one wants to risk the heavy sentences that come with owning a gun or assault/murder with a gun.

>>128415624
You silly bastard. Fast food joints are robbed all the time. You're standing inside a target when you're in a McD's. What you are doing is carrying when you "expect" there might be trouble. Guess what? Trouble usually shows up when you're not expecting it.

There are many people CCW'ing around you while your kids eat, and you have no idea. I might be one of them. What should make you uncomfortable is that you abandon your right/responsibility to protect yourself to someone else, because you think you're in a "safe place". If you're not carrying it everyday, I suspect you're not proficient enough to carry it all. If you're going to carry, carry.

>>128416436

Well at least you agree that your cops should be armed, why don't you brit/pol/ get together and meme up a stink about how many were murdered/injured because the initial police on the scene were forced to flee because they didn't have guns?

As to your other point, conceal carry IS NOT A BIG DEAL like you're making it out to be. Its not a John Woo film or anything like that. Its getting donuts and coffee and having a small gun comfortably concealed. Its completely natural, not some hollywood bullshit.

Now consider if terrorists run out of gun free zones to target, they will revert to the run-a-fuckton-of-people-over strategy. But they will still get fucking shot.

>>128415981
Perhaps not yourself, but in relation to my original reply. I find those that shout the loudest, run the fastest.

>>128414280
>"MATE WHO THE FOK IS SAYING RACIST SHIT IN THIS FOKKIN PUB

lost hard

>>128413254
>>128416579

Watch the movie Hell Or High Water for some excellent Texan feels.

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>>128416296
>more powerful than a .357 Magnum.

No.

> It's fbi standard issue

No.

Go be underage somewhere else.

>>128415624
i hope this is a troll, even off duty cops have been shot at fast food restaurants. you know the type of people who frequent those establishments. you should have it on you at all times when leaving the house, unless you are going to a family or friends house to bbq or something or plan on getting plastered drunk

>>128412897
Honestly, they'd probably just shoot other British people for being racist and they'd hand over their guns to the terrorists if they asked nicely enough.

>>128415624
>Carry your CCW with you into troubled areas and keep a switchblade or something similar with you elsewhere...

I bet you don't carry your gun with one loaded in the chamber

>>128416802
>There's a certain loss of freedom associated with not being able to go and do day to day things because you feel like you absolutely need to carry all the time.
I would say the opposite. Carrying makes me feel liberated, for if something were to happen, I can protect myself.

>>128414131
And you would just be dead, because thats what happened.

>>128416702

Every standard issue everywhere is 9mm now for some reason.

>>128415677
Yes it's a fucking meme. Bar brawls and streetfights happen all the time and outside the ones in the really shitty neighborhoods, it rarely goes beyond hand to hand. But you need to feel good about being forbidden firearms, so you believe the meme. Like I told the other guy, whatever helps you sleep, pal.

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>>128416702
.38 special + P faggot read the god damne dpost before you open your mouth to a fucking man. probably never shot a fucking gun.

http://www.gunnuts.net/2012/06/13/38-special-p-vs-357-magnum/

>>128416729

You need to see this Nigel. You need to see the truth

>>128412530
>a sandnigger with an AK?
they had knives on the bridge

>>128416067
what if you guys started investigating the 20,000 known people with terror ties living in your country? that might be a good start right?

remember the headlines last time?
>manchester bomber was known to authorities
>known to authorities
>they didnt do shit

you guys need to be asking some serious questions of your government and leadership

>>128416492
Yeah that's fair enough, in most places it's not quite that easy, I don't know the exact procedures, my point is that it's pretty trivial in most cases.

>>128416567
it's not just liberals, MOST Americans don't EDC at all times out of their home/land.

>>128416621
No I'm not saying that, I'm not even anti-gun, I love guns, I'm not completely sure which is better, I mean if I was in the US I'd be tempted to carry a lot of the time but I'd probably also feel I have to. In some sense it's a bit of a racket, but whatever.

All I'm really saying is that I don't like the hardline pro gun arguments that ignore the reality of the situation any more than I like the stupid liberal ban all guns argument. In my view it's a nuanced problem with no obvious good solution.

>>128417166
Probably because the 9mm +P gold dot is the most reliable hollow point round at putting down bad guys with a pistol without buying $4/round meme cartridges with exploding tips and shit

>>128415966
Who's crowing, but is a bullet to the face, any less disfiguring. To the smart man, in a dangerous situation, anything is a weapon. A wall, a pen, a tin of beans. A tin of beans is actually quite good at breaking bones.

>>128416768
You didn't read the part about the phony bomb vests? Or you're just not too bright?

>>128413562
It's not the anti gun laws that's making these shit skins attack the uk.

It's the fact that theses terrorists are defined as British. They're educated, housed and taking care of by the NHS. All within within the UK.
See the issue? These slimes are already in the country and they're planning attacks. All the Brit libfags embracing the ((diversity)) over the years of blacks, west Asians, browns and slimes got a taste of what multiculturalism does. It's doesn't work. It never has worked. It's unnatural and causes tension.

The uk isn't what it used to be. What was once arguebaly the greatest empire relative to its time, is no part of the geographical location known as Europe, where, its members, are self imploding. All while the apartheid U.S. stay stong, segregate and discriminate all in the name of staying strong on the forefront of global politics and maintain the white nationalistic stance that had once built in he greatest nation on earth.

>>128412450
no it couldnt because it was a false flag

>>128416067
>>128416067
>What are you going to do, never do an activity where you're more than 3ft from your gun?
also, you realize this is what israel does right?

though they have compulsory military service, and post guards with machineguns on every corner and around targets like pools, clubs, malls so everyone else can go about their life freely without worry

imagine if israel didnt allow their police to carry guns. top kek

>>128411634
If it was your country they would have guns too so what's your fucking point

>>128417375
>phony bomb vests
does that smack anybody else as just bullshit of some form? Was it to keep people from approaching them, or what?

>>128416702
>noguns detected
out of a short barrel revolver none of that extra powder or cartridge length matters

>>128416802

What part of concealed carry do you not understand?

After you pull out your gun and shoot a terrorist I guess the property owners will ask you to leave, okay fine.

The point is motherfuckers don't know because its concealed, and if its revealed then you just leave, no big whoop.

There is also that 1st Amendment and other rights wouldn't exist without the 2nd Amendment enforcing them. That is valuable beyond measure.

So are you saying there aren't heavy sentences for felons having a gun, or assault/murders with guns in America? You have to take the niggers out of the equation when you're talking about gun violence. Its really just nigger violence.

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>inherit a hundred year old pocket pistol
>It's got a ton of issues and missing some parts
I'd really like to fix it but I've no idea what to do. It's 103 years old

>>128416882

>Its completely natural, not some hollywood bullshit.

Gun control fags think that if everyone had guns people would be settling disputes with fucking gunfights, as if social norms morality and laws just stop existing because people have weapons.

>>128411634
they had only knives but also wore fake bomb belts
you don't rush or shoot someone with an explosive belt, you hide unless you have no instinct of survival
i hope you live through a terrorist attack, you'll literally shit yourself faggot

>>128417211
38 special is a meme round invented so cops could teach their wives to shoot without buying a new gun dumb ass
+P is a meme compared to the difference between a special and a fucking MAGNUM load
Only one of these rounds makes Lite 4 Her editions with less powder and pink polymer flex tips, learn to have a dick and balls before you start giving gun advice

>>128411959
Mate this is the most logical post I've seen all day - these burgers are too busy stuffing their greasy fuck faces they don't realise if everyone is allowed a gun then terror cunts will have guns too

>>128417555
word. just use target wad cutters out of a .38 snubby. way less recoil and will poke a nice hole.

>>128411634
I'm genuinely considering moving to America, I refuse to remain part of a country where I can be given 7 years for carrying a folding knife. I'm honestly so jealous of you guys.

>>128416779
it's comparable I have a Ruger SP-101 and a Ruger Super Blackhawk both .357 Magnums and I have the Ruger LCR .38 Special +P and to me they have comparable knockdown power. You are a fucking idiot underage? I'm 33 years old the fbi carry and use 38 special + P where the fuck are you reading your information

>>128414542
Easy, they should ban knives too. Right wingers BTFO

>>128417539
Maybe, but it would explain a couple of knife wielding guys not getting rat packed in a busy restaurant on a Friday night..

>>128414026
dont forget Illinios, Massachusetts, New Jersy, Delaware, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, D.C. ,Maryland. these states have no "shall issue" concealed carry nor do they have"Castle Doctrine" and firearms are heavily regulated. legally they are no different than New York or California and in some cases even more restrictive

>>128417369
My point is that shit doesn't get that bad between men over a bar fight in an armed society. People are more polite because the stakes are higher. Guns make white men more civilized. Can't say the same for the other races generally

>>128412530
You'd be surprised how slow someone's reaction time can be when something completely unexpected happens. People with guns who go to a place to kill people go to that specific place because they expect no resistance until the cops get there. I'm quick enough on the draw that I can plug someone at 10 yards or less with at least one round from my .38 (which I carry because I just naturally shoot better with it than any other handgun I own) before they can even process what I've done. Couple that with the unexpected happening and I can easily get one more round off if I need to before they can come up with an appropriate response, at which point they'll be incapacitated.

>>128417673
>knockdown power.
You should be de-gunned for spewing that nonsense.

>>128417375
>I'm a policeman
>there's a guy with a bomb vest, he's probably going to go in a place with a big population to make the most death possible
>I could go and try to stop him, worst case scenario he explodes but that would save a lot of lives considering there isn't many people around
>nah fuck it, I'd rather run, live in shame for the rest of my life and disgust the entire population of the cops

>at least I'm not racist ;)

>>128417561
>its 103 years old

Awesome. Make a thread on /k/, they love to help. Post pics of the gun though so they can masturbate.

>>128416882
And to be fair they are armed with various other tools which are non lethal, if you've ever seen someone shot with a taser you'll know those things are fairly serious business. So they're not completely unarmed and we can deploy very well armed police with everything up assault rifles with AP.

But more of what we call Bobbies, the average police doing their rounds on the street, more of them ought to be armed IMO, at least half so for every pair you have someone with a gun, that seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Yeah what I meant about it being an action movie, it's not that I perceive it that way, sure conceal carry can become just part of every day life in places where you're generally allowed to do it. But my point is that if a bunch of terrorist storm somewhere and say everywhere allows guns, they're still going to attack with an advantage, probably with bullet proof vests on, carrying full auto shit. The point is they're prepared and attacking peaceful and generally unaware people, and that stuff goes down quick, in a matter of seconds

But yeah I totally get it, if you're conceal carry most places and the muslims kick the door in then more power to you to defend yourself, if you can down them and minimize the damage they do then that's a profoundly good thing.

I just can't ignore the fact that you're also trading that off for something, that you've got more people with access to more guns and so the number of incidents is going to be higher.

>>128417669

Come to America bro. Your accent alone will carry you far in our society, pretty much guaranteed at least middle class lifestyle just because of the way you talk. Also it will get you pussy. You will find an America wife to marry for citizenship no problem.

You gotta reject monarchy and admit we wuz right though.

>>128417730
Well, it's worth mentioning, 600-700 people were killed in the US by fists according to FBI stats not too long ago. A brawl ain't exactly safe. I take your point, but don't downplay the danger of that particular past time.

>>128417561

Too bad it wasn't a pocket pussy

>>128417555
If you're going to use a pussy pistol with a 0.8" barrel why the fuck are you talking about stopping power or +P in the first place

>>128417673
That's the dumbest shit ever. FBI uses 9mm and before that .40 s&w and before that 9mm. Never ever has the FBI ever approved .38 to be used, dumb fuck.

>>128417630
Yeah, and guns are the great equalizer. Mary with her .40 caliber doesn't have to cower in fear and hide, she can protect herself by putting hot lead into terrorists at 1,200 feet per second.

>>128418114
because that was the picture he posted?

>>128417630

You seem to forget Bataclan etc etc etc.

All you are doing is ensuring that law abiding citizens and YOUR INITIAL FUCKING POLICE ON THE SCENE can't defend themselves.

>>128412810
Чyвaк, пoжaлyйcтa :/

>>128411634
My CCW is a Springfield XD mod 2.

>>128411817
But they'll start shooting unarmed black teens.

Thats why the gun police are seperate so we only get them when we neee them

>>128411959
>>128417630

>they don't realise if everyone is allowed a gun then terror cunts will have guns too
>implying they wouldn't still have guns

This isn't an island, do you know how many guns wold be smuggled over the border if they were outlawed? Fuckloads

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You would suspect that we would pull some shit out, but it happens rarely or at least you don't hear of it much.

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>>128417788
look at the bullets have you ever shot a gun

>>128417156
Yeah I don't doubt that, but are you saying you're never away from your gun. Doesn't that restrict the number of things you can do? Or are you saying you'd happily leave your gun somewhere to do activities where you can't reasonably take it.

Let's assume for a second that there's no government laws regarding gun free zones to make the scenario simpler.

>>128415784
I'd reccomend investing in a semi-auto rifle. One of the following:
Colt LE6 M4 = 5.56
FN SCAR 17 = 7.62x51 (308)
Arsenal Sam7F = 7.62x39
Don't buy cheap.
For conceal pistol:
FNH .45 Tac, threaded 5.3" Barrel
Smith&Wesson M&P 9mm
Glock 17 9mm
Best small = Kal Tec PF-9 or Kahr CW9 imho
Get a full sized pistol. I carry mine shouldered.

>>128417833
It's a 1914 colt .32, the other's a 1917 winchester 6 shooter but all it needs is a spring.

Also post ur guns fags

>>128417673
>Ruger user
I think I see the problem, you think that a company that makes good cheap .22s for your youngest daughter to hunt varmints makes good revolvers for protecting your family

>>128417630
Terror cunts have guns either way (especially in America as they can just smuggle them over the border from Mexico), at least we have them as well. Besides, if America were to ban guns it would be a complete fucking disaster.

>>128418120
>Never ever has the FBI ever approved .38 to be used
this is correct, the FBI never existed until the 1980s when wonder 9s started to come into common use

>>128413293
Most of the UK isn't like a lot of America though. US police officers are way more likely to be killed in the line of duty. Notice it's only the London police who want more guns. Most of the UK you don't need guns to police effectively.

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>>128418441
oops forgot image

>>128418346
.39 special has waaaaaaaaaay less powder in it than .357 despite such a similar case length due to .38 being a black powder legacy cartridge. It's significantly less powerful than .357.

>>128417814
I don't think we're communicating here, slick. I'm saying that your average diner is usually going to run away from a screaming freak with a bloody knife and wearing a bomb vest. That makes sense to me. What I question is that same group running away from a screaming freak with a bloody knife, but NO BOMB VEST. Get it?

>>128418346
It is my belief that it's better to shoot more 9m than use .45 with power. You get more ammo to spend and you can fire faster.

>>128418007

Sure but think about the many other advantages and ripple effect benefits to society that something like the 2nd Amendment brings. The good vastly outweighs the bad, its just that the bad gets an incredibly disproportionate amount of hype. And again, most gun violence is just nigger violence.

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>>128418120
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/296412-38-special-p-fbi-load-yesterday-same-today.html

>>128418349
Not the guy you're replying to, but can speak to. It's not a magic wand, man. It's not some 10 pound hunk of iron. A Glock 43 weighs about 22 ounces, loaded and is about an inch thick. It's nothing to carry. Grab it like you grab your iphone. Slide it in the waistband. Forget about it, unless you need it.

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>>128418542
this is what I carry, Rossi M885

>>128411959
Did the fags had guns? No? They should have

>>128418046
Good point. I haven't seen that particular statistic, but would not be surprised if it were accurate.

>>128418202
Do nightclubs allow weapons in the US? If I was a bar/nightclub owner I wouldn't want drunk people with weapons.

>>128418708
Usually, no. But, then again, there are a great many things not "allowed". So what?

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FBI use 38 special +p

>>128418572
Best .45 argument I've come across is that it penetrates thick winter clothes better, other than that it's 9mm +p gold dots from a full size

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>>128417630
Shitskins tried that shit in Texas you stupid bong.
Look what happened.
Show up at a 'draw muhammed' contest both dropped.
They can only shoot fags in clubs, jew yorkers and commiefornians.

>>128418822
The FBI uses 9x19.

>>128418441

I am a filthy noguns but thinking of buying a Steyr handgun... better trigger and sights than a glock, but they fagged up the mag capacity for 9mm with a plastic block. Would have to buy .40 mags and alter them slightly for unimpeded capacity.

I just can't make a decision.

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>>128412810
>pic
I lost

>>128411959
And a guy with a truck killed 80. What's your point? There's always something better like nail bombs. Knives are convenient and these people are spontaneous killers. If they get on a bus you should say your prayers without a gun.

>>128418887
Go to a gun range and shoot, don't ever buy a $500-$1200 tool without putting your hands on it preferably multiple times to compare

>>128417298
Yeah we absolutely do, things are so bad that our conservative party is actually fairly liberal, it's fucking disgusting. They should be deporting or interning suspected terrorists or people supporting it or even sympathetic. It's just going to take a bunch of these events before there's enough public outrage to get the politicians to do something.
>>128417560
>What part of concealed carry do you not understand?
Well you know most clubs for example will frisk people down before you're allowed in, if it's a private club on private land they can refuse entry and most clubs wont allow weapons of any kind much less a gun, we get that in the UK because obvious with booze and crowds of people, it's just smart to not allow weapons.

Yeah I get that that it's good to have an armed population to help ensure government doesn't become a tyranny. Although I'm not sure that's necessarily a good solution by modern standards. It doesn't stop governments creating fiat money which they're in 100% control of, if they come for you it wont be with a gun it'll be freezing your bank account or whatever.

And yeah, america does have a nigger problem, that's something I've always taken into account with gun stats, you guys have it pretty bad in large cities with gang violence, mostly non-whites, that's gotta suck. Same goes for the UK though, we do have SOME gun violence but most of that is gang related, the average citizen on the street outside of maybe the top 5 biggest cities has almost zero to worry about regarding gun violence.

>>128418887
anything is better than a pointy stick, anon.

>>128411879
What if I told you that I live near Nice, and that we had planned to get wasted with my ex-gf and friends the night of the attacks, on the promenade des anglais ( like we do usually). That the only reason we weren't there was because we missed our train like dumnies. That I actually walked on the exact same place the attack happened every morning to walk to my uni when I studied there. That a friend was walking on the prom the night of the attacks and actually heard the sound and the screams.

Talk about hitting close. And after that , my country decide to vote for the week gay leader that will let that kind of shit happening. Fuck this shithole honnestly.

>>128418822
You have to go back to the 30's to justify the .38 . BTFO

>>128418834
>it penetrates thick winter clothes better
That's a meme. All service caliber-size rounds will have no problem penetrating thick winter clothes. The "thick winter clothes actually stop bullets" meme was made up by GIs in Korea who missed with their M1 carbines but didn't want to admit it. https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-36-frozen-clothing-and-the-box-o-truth/

>>128418542

That 103 yr old gun would've stopped the London terrorist attack.

>>128418007

How about REVOLVERS UKfags? Just old revolvers, no scary glocks. Would that work for you, UK?

>>128418773
>So what?
Wasn't the Bataclan essentially a nightclub.

>>128419065
Go with a 9mm and fucking unload into a dude. More bullets are always better than less slightly larger ones. What ever ends them faster.

>>128419065
I think I heard it from massad ayoob but it's not impossible that he believed a meme. he still claimed to carry .45 in winter for this reason iirc

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>>128419064
Most Versatile Handgun: The .38 Special, .38 Special +P and ...
Most Versatile Handgun: The .38 Special/.357 ... .38 Special +P. ... For many years the standard FBI service load was the .38 Special +P cartridge using a 158 grain ...
http://chuckhawks.com/most_versatile_handgun.htm

>>128418349
Nope. Carrying everywhere gives me more opportunities to go to places unmolested and without fear, as again, I am safer. Without CCW, I probably wouldn't go out as much, as I am a prime mugging target, especially so considering where I live.

>>128418993

I can't find a range that has any of these flaors of the Steyr handgun.

https://steyrarms.com/firearms/pistols.html

People don't even know Steyr makes handguns. Steyr's marketing in the US is fucking retarded or something, they seem to be great guns.

>>128419054
Oops means to quote :

>>128412450

>>128411732
There was another attack where gunshots were fired. Guns being illegal doesn't stop bad people from getting guns.

>>128419361
fine gun. but, I have to say, just get a glock or a smith and wesson. Spend the extra money on ammo to train with. get what blows your skirt up, by all means. I'm just in the go with a proven weapon camp and LOTS of practice.

>>128411634
>The feeling of helplessness you brits have must be awful.

it is

>>128419237
I agree however, there are special rounds for the .45 that penetrate level II soft armor. Same can't be said for 9mm. I think the product is called black rhino.

>>128419054

But as long as you keep electing leaders that submit to the muslims and give them your country they won't attack anymore. Weakness is safety, when you kill your enemies they win.

>>128419054
>Hon hon honnestly

>>128419590
Could be worse. You could be France.

>>128419548

M&P shield?

>>128419627
Man, they're as fucked as we are, when it comes to politicians. elections are rigged. by the grace of God, or fuck up, Hillary didn't win here. It wasn't supposed to be so. Brits are going to have to take to the streets to turn that boat around. And, I'd say, it's just about that time.

>>128411959
>>128417630
There's a good saying thay applies here.
If you outlaw guns, then the only people who will have guns will be outlaws.

>>128419762
For concealed carry, yes. Great little gun.

>>128419361
Make sure you know how much spare parts for your range toy will cost and how fast you can get them to your front door

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>>128412641
hmmmmm

>>128419987
Now compare blacks and hispanics

>>128411732
You're aware half of the training these terrorists receive is just pop shots and how to clean and reload the weapon. They're not pro's at all. These people have a will to die, that's why they're taking as many people with them before they get put down. I'm a much better shot than they are at 200m anyway.

>>128419987
compare the US to all of western europe, then remove the black on black gangbanger crime. you'll be shocked.

>>128411959
FRANCE
>70+ killed by large TRUCK
> better ban all large assault trucks
>no one needs to go over 45 kph

>>128411634
>Muh gunz
Not so funny anymore, is it??

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>>128417630
The bad guys are going to have guns regardless of the law, you dumb fuck. Have drug laws had any success is getting drugs off the streets?

>>128418606
>Sure but think about the many other advantages and ripple effect benefits to society that something like the 2nd Amendment brings. The good vastly outweighs the bad, its just that the bad gets an incredibly disproportionate amount of hype. And again, most gun violence is just nigger violence.
Possibly I think it's a hard thing to quantify exactly. I dunno what the solution is. I mean I live in a 250k sized city and there's been no gun crime here in my 15 years of living here, no that I've heard of anyway. I don't have to worry that some chav on a night out is carrying and could just pop one in me or someone I love because the cost of an illegal firearm is way above what scum like that could ever afford. Which is an easy way of drastically lowering that kind of crime.

It's not the well educated, well balanced people carrying guns for self defence that worries me, it's the unstable, crazy people, those on drugs or whatever. I'd feel safer in some respects carrying but I'd also feel pretty on edge around those kinds of people.

I pretty much remain on the fence, I simultaneously like my experience in the UK with basically no gun crime around me personally. And at the same time, i'd happily live and carry in the states and certainly wouldn't vote for or support banning guns or gun free zones.

>>128420135
lol I don't give a shit about western europe

>>128412530
GARLAND, TEXAS

Euros BTFO'd FOREVER

>>128420256
For a somewhat similar comparison of population and ethic diversity, you twat, you might. Comparing the US to England, isn't exact honest, no matter the metric.

>>128420181
But if its hard to get guns legally its REALLY hard to get them illegally. It is almost impossible for terrorists to get guns in the UK.

>>128417669
come to montana my anglo friend. my town is lily white and there isnt a single drop of melanin for 200 miles in any direction if you discount injuns. no shitskins no basketball americans. tis heavenly

>>128417673
You know nothing about firearms, and are clearly not a member of the FBI.
Also,
>knockdown power
>to me
You're fucking retarded.

>>128419987

Subtract niggers and we're statistically Switzerland. BTW why don't you pull up Switzerland's gun ownership vs gun violence stats.

>>128420452
Sorry I forgot about the 372 mass shootings in western europe in 2015

Ever since the US election every thread on /pol/ has been a dick-measuring thread.
>"WE'RE NOT AS KEKED AS YOU, LOOK AT OUR BIRTH RATES"
>"YEAH WELL WE HAVE GUNS"
>MUH SWEDEN
Pretty pathetic desu. Energy that was once applied to furthering your political cause is now being allocated to shitting on each other.
We're all fucked; some are going to fall earlier than others, but we all will in time.

>>128420576
Isn't this entire thread about black/muslim people shooting white people? Why the fuck would I remove them from it?

>>128411634

People can't make the connection that's if gums were prevelant in England then the terrorists would have had them and there'd be lots more than 6 dead.

The purpose of the firearm, from its inception, is to make killing easier. It's so you don't need trained warriors just anybody with an index finger.

If this was a lone psycho who shot 6 people and wasnt a Muslim in the US this wouldn't even make the news.

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>>128418441
are these weapons too meme

>>128417630
>t. Ass blasted Paki

>>128420774

You're right, ever since Trump was elected /pol/ has become lazy and complacent. We need to direct our energy and willpower outwards.

>>128419054
>my country decide to vote for the week gay leader that will let that kind of shit happening

That's the kind of retard mentality that explains why nothing ever changes
Your life fuel is fear, you're a pahetic cuck, maybe you should have died in Nice
I had a friend in Bataclan who witnessed everything, will I start getting paranoid at every gig I attend?
truth is
Politicians have NO WAY to influence current events or protect us from anything, all the things they say or promess are to secure voters and serve their personal interest

Let me put it differently
With Le Pen (o anyone else really) as president, would there be less attacks?
no
If anything, there would be more as retaliation

ISIS is not an organization. You can be ISIS if you want to, this is why we can't bomb or destroy ISIS, it just exists to welcome all brainwashed psychopaths out there, and there are loads of these
Just deal with it

>>128420905

because its nigger on nigger violence

>>128420520
>Almost impossible to get guns
>Can buy a car and plough through 20 people
I'm not seeing your point Ahmed.

If it was in murica the terrorist would have a gun too

>>128421079
Even if you remove that there is still a lot more gun crime is the US than UK, even if you adjust for population and you know it.

>>128421186
No, remove spics and niggers and the gun violence will have dropped by over 70%.

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Brit here, some of us are actually taking proactive steps OP. I've recently travelled to America to take some self-defense classes. (Obviously even if I could buy a gun here I wouldn't be able to take it back nor would I want to ever fown a gun lest I be the victim of an accidental household firearm related death). But truth be told America does have some top notch dojos and for instance say a Mujahideen came into my resteraunt wielding a short sword? No worries my burger friend I would just deploy some non-lethal defense tactics like using his weight against himand pinning him to the floor untill help arrives. You see burgerbro not everything has to end in a shootout

>>128421186
Most of it is nig-on-nig, and nigs get their guns illegally.
If the majority of the people in your town has a gun, you aren't going to start a mass shooting there any time soon.

>>128421122
>Implying that a terrorist hitting people with a car is as bad as one shooting a place up

You just can't make this shit up

>>128421186
No one said there wasn't. The point is that it isn't as much as you think/are led to believe. There are more than 300 million firearms in the US. They're not going anywhere.

>>128411634
The problem is we shouldn't have to in the first fucking place. Quit importing Muslims and most of the problems go away.

>>128421079
If it's just blacks killing each other, I guess non-blacks don't need to carry then

>>128421258
>>128421321

Oh I agree, all of those mass shooting are just nig on nig crime you got it right on the money there

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Donald J. Trump
Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

>>128421344
>putting a value on someone's life regardless
If they're all dead then what's the difference?

>>128421446
If there were a few civilians with guns in that area of London, terrorists would think twice.
I'd rather have an opportunity to fight for my life than run for it.

>>128421405
I'd still rather have a guy running at me with a knife than with a gun any day.

>>128421446
>muh mass shootings
those all happen in 'gun free zones'

>>128421446
So 20-30 people go out in a mass shooting every once in a while.
You're comparing that to over 700 dead in a couple months in Chicago alone?
Explain yourself.

>>128421344
You're right. 1,000+ pounds of hulking metal filled with flammable gas plowing through a crowd of people is far WORSE than a simple madman with a gun.

>>128412075
>Yeah the Last ones that pulled that shit in Texas died to an off duty cop. All the Gear and AR's can't save them.

A muzzie arab murder 5 soldiers at a recruiting station in Chattanooga not too long ago, he had an assault rifle.
Also, they'd most likely have body armor. Remember the North Hollywood shootout, with he bank robbers? Those guys took dozens of hits, and were still standing.

Assault rifles do incredible damage. The 2014 Peshawar school massacre is one example, that could easily happen here.

>>128421492
Except only 6 people died. If all three had guns that number would be much, much higher

>>128421541
No, the terrorist would also have guns so it would have made it worse.

>>128421745
Give the majority guns, they wouldn't attack in the first place; if they did, they would be killed by a citizen eventually.
It's a deterrent like nuclear weapons.

>>128421745
The amount of people who've been killed by vehicles is far higher than guns with these attacks in Europe.

>>128411634
goddamn this cunt is so fucking hideous.

>>128421686
I don't care about nig on nig crime, that happens here too but just with knives.

>>128421667
And they pretty much never happen in the UK

>>128421729
Three terrorists - 6 dead (London attack)
One terrorist - 50 dead (Pulse shooting)

the solution isn't to arm everybody, the solution is to ban islam and shut down mosques and Islamic schools. and impose an immigration ban.

>>128422027
>Constantly brings up Pulse
Nothing of value was lost. No one cares what they did to the fags.

>>128421851
They would be killed eventually either way, but with a gun they are more likely to kill a greater number of people before they die.

>>128421981
Because it is easier to get vehicles than guns. If guns were easy to get they would use them instead or a combination of both.

>>128422027
Notice how the terrorists in America attack areas with very little guns. I doubt anybody in Pulse had a gun on them. What if half of the faggots in Pulse had guns? The terrorist would be shot, but he probably wouldn't have attacked in the first place.

>>128422128
It could have easily been a regular club, don't try to bring up that bullshit because you have no response.

>>128418120
since 1934 the FBI has issued handguns in .35 s&w, .38 s&w, .357 mag .44 special, .38 super, 10mm , 9mm, .45 acp and .40s&w they even issued revolvers in .22 lr....you are uninformed

>>128422233
I would rather be safe from guns everywhere I go than only safe in certain places.

The 2nd amendment protects our right to be armed for personal protection but primarily for defense against invasion and tyranny. The US would not exist today if not for an armed populace in the 18th century

>>128422193
An armed community is a safe community. If guns were available I know they'd use them obviously, but you'd have a chance to stop it before it starts if people were educated on guns and could use them to protect themselves. Not to mention if your police was actually armed before something like this happens, the chances to have stopped it could've been quicker.

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>>128421743
BRUH

Body armor doesn't do SHIT for leg shots or headshots.

And if he's looking another direction you're hitting the head.

And if your leg is fucked, its not going to be long before you are too. Also if your Arm is hit you're not using it.

> did you know a 357 magnum will pretty much blow a person's leg off?

Shooting center mass is for plebs and moving targets, like dudes actually running for cover.

Then again my power level is over 9000 so others may not share those capabilities.


>>128411959
>>128417630

Nobody died until the SWAT arrived.

How many people were in that club? If they had balls they could have dogpiled this fucker, 2-3 people would've died from panic gunfire, and he wouldn't have survived long enough for the cops to arrive.

Being mobbed to death with broken chairs is no joke.

I guess they didnt have balls though.

>>128421851
Terrorists are prepared to die in the name of god anyway, so there is no deterrent.
They'd be killed eventually, but the amount of people they'd kill in the meantime would be many more than if they'd have to chase after them with knives.
Also, many people in London are tourists so they wouldn't even have the option of carrying weapons.

>>128422510
I agree that our police should be better armed, but your idea only works if many people want to carry guns when in reality most people do not, at least here in the UK. It is easier to not have to worry about it at all than have everybody carry guns.

>>128422439
If a terrorist got their hands on a gun, which they do tend to do, you would be fucked.
What if terrorists went around the countryside shooting families in their homes? What if members of those families had guns?
You're never safe from anything; if you don't have a gun, some Ahmed with his black market gun will fuck you up while you run away, or he will stab you in the back, or you will be swarmed and battered by niggers. Most of such situations would be prevented/amended by you having a gun.

>>128422279
If it had been a regular club then there would've been police most likely out in the parking lot and bartenders would've been armed, that's not even saying the bouncer isn't packing something. Anyone here in the states who owns a club knows that it's always going to be prone to some sort of violence; usually with drugs. Sorry Ahmed.

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>>128422044
An American person saying "the solution isn't to arm everyone"?? No way

>>128422193
You infantile pillock, your homegrown Muhammads who talk like they're scousers don't have guns because they're technically Brits who've just gone Muslim feral. Just wait till the ones NOT actually from your country start doing attacks. You're gonna find out how easy it is to buy a few AK-47s on the black market, and how many people die when none of the good guys have guns..... 8 minutes for armed officers to respond..... That's a few hundred people dead.

>>128422778

> somehow believing that if Foreign Terrorists are a problem

> that Foreign Terrorists would be allowed on your soil, if defending against them had become a government priority

>>128422719
I guess that's more of a cultural thing here then, because I never worry about it, most people open carry in my state so I've grown up around it my entire life. I also carry, always have. My opinion is always going to be a little biased because of that though, hopefully you understand.

>>128419762
solid choice

>>128422674
Terrorists have guns anyway. The Parisians were sitting ducks during the gun attacks.
If guns were in circulation among a sizeable enough amount of people in this country, terrorists with guns would be foiled quicker.

>>128422778
It is almost impossible for a terrorist to get a black market gun. No drug gang is ever going to sell them one, if they could even afford it. It is going to be impossible for them to get one legally as all of these attacks are done by people that are on watch lists. Even if they do get one, there are armed police everywhere in the city and many people in the countryside own a shotgun.

>>128422937
I'm talking about home-grown terrorists, who make up most terrorists.

>>128423026
>many people in the countryside have a shotgun
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
It most certainly isn't impossible.

>>128422820
>T-they were g-gay so it doesn't c-count
Fuck off

>>128422922
hahaha you clearly know nothing about the UK. There is no fucking way that anybody is getting an AK-47 on the black market, maybe a handgun or rifle if they are in a gang, but no terrorist is going to get one.

>>128420280
This

>>128415412
wtf i love texas now