How does anybody justify abortion? You are killing a human being.

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That abomination is not a human.

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>>128293232
You will not get many replies with this image and framing of the issue. You need to gta very enticing image of a scantily clad woman and somehow bring the issue of abortion as a moral issue and wammen being the inferior gender, you get my point. Only then I guess you will get some (You)s or a proper discussion if thats what you are looking for.

>>128293232
I dont know. Maybe they think its like a small lizard who cant even understand its alive.

>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion?
"my body my choice". after that it's just autistic screeching

>>128293232
>its murder
so what?

>dude I want to have DOUBLE the nigger population and shit up society with a massive spike in criminals and general children of single mother scum because of my jewish sand nigger religion that doesnt say anything about when you get your soul but actually advocates for giving miscarriages to women who cheat on their husbands lmao

american christcuck logic

When you cut out all of the bullshit the pro-choice stance is, assuming they're not ignorant of biology, that they don't believe that all humans should be treated equally. The debate is so tarred with rhetoric and euphemisms that many of them don't realize that this is their view, especially when it comes to the feminism pro-choice people who constantly espouse how egalitarian they are. It's helpful to frame the debate this way because it forces them to confront their own views--It forces them ask themselves if they really believe that all humans should be treated equally. If we can treat the unborn human beings unequally then why should we be able to treat female or black human beings unequally? This then moves the debate into areas of S.L.E.D. which strongly favors the pro-life debater.

>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion?
It reduces the birth rate of non-whites.

I would attempt to eliminate anyone who tries to ruin my life, infant or otherwise.

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>>128293232

>You are killing a human being.

and?

Nigger feetus
No problem
Human abortions should be ilegal

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>>128293232

Spirit Cookers & Spirit Eaters, along with various Cults & Genetic experiments are supplied by PP.

Also, if you can convince a Society to destroy its offspring..... It's signed its eventual gravestone.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>128293232
Does this little buddy look like he cares to you?

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boi

>>128295306

Whether or not a victim cares about whether or not he's a victim is irrelevant to the matter of whether or not a moral wrong took place. If I rob somebody and the victim doesn't care, a robbery still took place.

>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion?
How can't you?
I watch the news daily, and every single day I wish your president's parents had an abortion.

>>128293232
by telling themselves its not human or not a child. i have this debate a lot and they all basically say that its not a person until its born.

>>128293232
Killing can be good.

>Crime prevention
>Retard prevention
>Poor people don't make as many poor people
>Dumb liberals go extinct
So many benefits

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Because people want to be hedonistic and not worry about the consequences

>>128293232
Too many mouths to feed.

>>128295286
Dude you have been exposed as a complete and total fraud

> Anonymous5 has already been exposed as a larper

> go away you nerd

>>128294978
lol niggers arent people you retarded brainwashed r/atheist goyim faggot

>>128293232
Literally the only situation I can think of to justify an abortion is if you're Gina Davis' character in The Fly.

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>>128295709
OH SHIT HE DID IT

>>128295306
i bet 6-month old babies wouldn't appear to "care" either

>>128293232
Less Niggers

>>128295770
Why are liberals so weak they can't say that killing babies is good eugenics?

Plus if it is voluntary it supports self determination.

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It's kinda complicated when you think. If the bitch would bring this child to this world, she abandon and put it in the garbage bin or leave it to institutions and then get adopted by faggots. By far abortion is most humane thing to do by comparison.

My solution, whith every abortion free sterilisation.

It's a horible thing to give birth and abandon the child or worse, or do abrotion.

Lose - Lose situation.

>>128294625
This. There is a curve to the worth of the life of a human, which increases up until a certain age and then tapers off.
The curves are different for men and women.

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>>128293232

If Roe v. Wade never happened, this country would be nearly 25% black today. But it is 13%

Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a dedicated Eugenics supporter. While modern cuckservatives love Mexican immigrants, 'progressive' Sanger believed that immigration should be limited to only Northern Europeans and that those unfit to procreate should be sterilized.

Sanger described blacks as 'barely better than Chimpanzees' as she worked hand in hand with black ministers to distribute birth control to their congregations.

Planned Parenthood is the #1 killer of blacks in the USA and worldwide is second only to AIDS and Malaria. They kill hundreds of future Mike Browns every day.

Any candidate who opposes planned parenthood or abortion is a cuckservative.

All of the Christian conservatives are cucks.

>>128293232
You can't. It rampant nihilism and care free degeneracy that has allowed it to become the norm.

>Buuuut I don't wanna be responsible for my decision
>Buuut fucking without a condom is so fun

You're murdering babies because you can't fathom an ounce of responsibility or forethought.

I'd love it it they switched the abortion from the baby to mutilation of the unfit nigger lover mother.

>>128296176
I advocate voluntary, subsidized sterilization. Only an idiot or someone who already has children would accept sterilization, and idiots are the exact people who should not reproduce.

>>128295660
Bad example, by definition robbery is some one taking something from you against your will. If you don't care it isn't against your will and therefore isn't a robbery.

You have the option to cure cancer by killing one innocent child. Do you go for it?

>>128293232
ayyy lmao!!

>>128294334
funny thats exactly what i say when i look at an indian

>>128296209
Okay, but larping aside though.

>>128296209
This is bullshit, more crypto commie shit with racism as a justification. Blacks have far more kids that whites BECAUSE of abortion. Blacks will have the baby because they don't give a shit and it gets them more GIBS, white college chicks will keep getting abortions because it's the "responsible" thing to do. Sanger was a retard like most democrats.

>>128296163

>Why are liberals so weak they can't say that killing babies is good eugenics?

Because that's literally Hitler.

They are conflicted.

Ironically, they do believe in eugenics, but mom won't let them be hardcore.

>>128295983
>trying to ignore the "general children of single mother scum" bit

hmm I wonder what triggered you so bad hmm

>>128296489

Abortion is taking someones life against their will. Besides, I'm not comparing abortion to robbery. I don't know why always do that - just because it's mention as an example doesn't mean it's being compared,

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>>128295660
>Whether or not a victim cares about whether or not he's a victim is irrelevant
The point is that for something to be able to be a victim at all, they should at least have the capacity to perceive being victimized.

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>>128295069

Just think about it, we've had abortion for this entire time that blacks have started to out reproduce whites. YOU ALREADY HAVE ABORTION AND WE ARE HAVING A BIRTH RATE PROBLEM. Abortion doesn't solve black reproduction people.

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>>128296501
I bet there is a "cure" for cancer, but who want's to cure their costumers. :D

>>128296864

If you're sleeping I can murder you? What if you're in a coma? Does this mean I can walk into the retard school down the road and start shooting randomly? Do you actually about these things or are you just winging it?

>>128293232
Would you eat whatever that thing on the left is of the baby for $100k?

>>128297170
i dont understand why we waste all that meat. i mean its not human. just think of all the people we could feed

>>128294978
This. Christianity was a fucking mistake for the West. Turned us all into turbo cucked countries.

All you religious fucks, fuck you and fuck your enabling of the dindu population explosion.

>>128294999
Wouldn't they just rebut that unborn children aren't human?
>>128294384
We don't like lewdposters you dumb newfag.
>>128293232
That it's even possible unborn children have a fraction of the value of human life refutes the pro-choice position, and is irrefutable in itself because it's impossible to prove otherwise; that unborn children are even potentially human proves this. Leftists don't understand this because they simply don't care about what's true. I was looking at the front page of reddit once (inb4 go back) and there was this cancerous (per usual) post on /r/twoxchromosomes about a study along the lines of showing the questionable morality of abortions bringing the issue into legal question, and the post title was literally something like "FIGHT THIS, WHATEVER THE COST" with absolutely no concern for the validity or soundness of the study. All they cared about was proving abortion is fine with no concern for whether or not that's true.
I even once had a girl try to argue with me that unborn children have no legal rights and therefore have no right to live, and that I'm an asshole for being against it because women who try to kill their own babies die more often than when it's done professionally. They're braindamaged and they're evil.

>>128296542
Kek. How are things in Pakistan brother I haven't been back for 10 years?

>>128297429
>Wouldn't they just rebut that unborn children aren't human?

Yeah they could, but it's a scientifically inaccurate belief. I could dig up a dozen or references if needed.

"Althought life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed."
-Human Embryology & Teratology, 3rd edition pg. 8

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
-Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
-Langman's Medical Embryology

>>128294625
>>128296205
I think the point is how can this be justified legally?

>>128297170
Fun fact: Jews make special meals out of it and eat it for free.

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>>128297170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7OdDokiino

>>128297422
christianity has literally had no institutional power in the west for the last 70 years aside from some small scale effect on public opinion.

its this beautiful secular utopia that has caused and failed to solve these problems. and of all this wonderful science and social progress their highly enlightened solution was to butcher babies in the womb. and you call them niggers

>>128293232
Those are my forceps, you son of a bitch!

What about medical reasons, eg thalidomide babies?

>>128297120
Are you sure all of your examples don't have the capacity to perceive being victimized? How do you figure a sleeping person loses his capacity to be sentient?

>>128298142

A sleeping person is not sentient while sleeping. Explain to me how the unborn don't have the capacity for sentience. How do humans become sentient if the unborn don't have this capacity?

>>128298320
It's wrong to murder people in their sleep because they have dreams and stuff

>>128293232
Can anyone tell me where this fuckers spaceship landed?

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>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion? You are killing a human being.
So? You kill people in wars too. Nothing inherently wrong with killing people, especially people that aren't even born yet and won't know what they're missing.

>>128298101
you can still use them for BBQing

>>128299164
Yep,and black ones come ready made.

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>>128298320
>A sleeping person is not sentient while sleeping.
I said "possesses the capacity to perceive victimization/possesses the capacity to be sentient". A person doesn't lose this capacity just because he's not currently exercising it. A fetus doesn't have this capacity at all. Are you seriously asking my why something that hasn't yet developed a brain capable of perceiving victimization doesn't have such a capacity?

>>128294334
A poo isn't either, It's just a poo poo

Killing isn't inherently wrong.

In the absence of a reason that abortion is wrong, it is not wrong.

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>>128295709
From the country whose leadership was based upon inbreeding.

>>128297732
The law was passed by parliament and is Constitutional.

That's all the justification needed.

>>128300636
Abortion is great if it's non-whites doing it.

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>>128300636
Soon kike

The p.o.s that commit abortion are all liberals, so I don't have any problem with them exterminating themselves now, so that automatically future generations don't have to deal with them, the way I see it, they are extinguishing themselves, cause if they were to give birth to those kids they will raise them to be like them, more trash liberal for the future, them killing their babies, is them killing themselves, their future generation, so I say legal abortion at any cycle!, and let the government pay for it, fuck it! The more they kill now the faster the world can become a better place.

>>128301246
>Abortion is great if X
We're not discussing whether it's great or not. We're discussing whether it should be considered murder or not, anon. If it's murder when whites do it, then it's murder when niggers do it also. Sorry.

>>128301478
Niggers aren't people you stupid Jew.

>>128301664
They generally aren't great people, but they're people. Deal with it.

>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion?
>You are killing a human being.
You answered your own question.

>>128293232
>>128301478
Who gives a shit if it's murder? It's protected under US law. If you hate abortions so much, then don't get one. Easy peasy faggot.

>>128301478
It's murder if it's whites.

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>>128293232
>How does anybody justify abortion?

Like this?

>>128293232
World needs more abortion, trust me.

>>128293232
It reduces the number of niggers and downies in the world and is the closest thing we have to state-sanctioned eugenics.

>>128293232
Women that promote this are nasty, it's no different from murder really.

>>128293232
Fuck off. Half the world should be retro-actively aborted right now...

>>128302075
>Who gives a shit if it's murder? It's protected under US law.
Who cares if it's protected under US law? If US law said that murdering retards like you was legal, would that make it okay to murder you? I don't even consider abortion murder at all and I can still see that you're being a moron.

I hope by the time me and my husband are ready to adopt, that there are still some white babies available. Otherwise I'll just have to go through surrogacy.

>>128293232
>a human being

I don't care how many times you post the same copypasta with the same shock picture. This is nothing more than a semantics debate.

>>128303874
>This is nothing more than a semantics debate.
Not really. The key question here is how to decide what life is deserving of special protection. You say "human life! it's obvious!" to appeal to intuition without explaining why human life should be protected, but then arbitrarily exclude some forms of it.

The following link is a very interesting read on the subject
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html

>>128304188
How about whites have different sensibilities than other groups and if you want to abort your babies, God bless you.

We'll even send you funds so you can abort your babies while debating "what life is". Sounds good, right?

>>128304476
"White sensibilities" are irrelevant here. Take your nigger-tier thinking somewhere else. It's either murder or it isn't.

So in Oregon we have these industry killing spotted owl. If you kill a spotted owl egg at any point in development it is the same crime as killing a spotted owl.

Either fetus are not people and can be aborted because its not murder, and I can destroy as many spotted owl eggs as I want. Or fetus cannot be aborted because they are humans and I cannot kill spotted owls.

Either I get to make spotted owls go extinct, or you don't get abortions.

>>128305075
I don't give a crap if you want to call it murder no more than whether a Jewish whore wants to call her saggy parading tits in public "muh body rights".

It's against our interests, and it's unaesthetic. Keep the filth for yourself, Shlomo.

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>>128293232
“Abortion is a facade of empowerment bittered with false truths.” ― Allene van Oirschot

>>128305199
Nobody gives a crap about your low-IQ perspective. This thread isn't about what you find aesthetic, you retarded slav monkey.

>>128293232
Abortions do killed many niglet americans, nawm saiyen n sheit

>>128305075
aborting kikes and muds is hardly murda

>>128305075
Fuck off hook nose kike baby dick blood sucker

>>128295286
and another tripfag meets my filter

>>128304476
>>128305075
Fetuses are chromosome-complete unique instances of human life. If it's not murder when it's been developing for 6 months, it's not murder when it's been developing for 4 years. The vagina does not confer personhood. Abortion is murder, that isn't up for debate. The question is when is murder ok? and the answer is sometimes. ie when the baby has the downs, or is black or something

>>128305136
>If you kill a spotted owl egg at any point in development it is the same crime as killing a spotted owl.
Your analogy is invalid because you're conflating moral with legal questions. The reason you're not allowed to crush owl eggs is that it diminishes the owl spotted owl population that the law is meant to protect just like killing adult owls does, not because it's immoral to kill birds.

>>128305296
Typical Jew, always pretending white interests are irrelevant and "low IQ", and circlejerking over which point human organism qualifies for murder is "sophisticated".

Those are just your Jewish sensibilities. I don't care if you want to call destruction of your fetuses "murder" or "abortion". Just do it. Abortion? Mashugana!

For whites, it's a no-no.

>>128305640
>chromosome-complete unique instances of human life
Why should this be the standard for deciding whether a life deserves special protection or not?

> If it's not murder when it's been developing for 6 months, it's not murder when it's been developing for 4 years
That's a total non-sequitur.

>>128305940
Take your low-IQ ranting somewhere else, albino monkey. "White interests" are not the subject of this thread.

>>128306123
I am replying to OP's question "How does anyone justify abortion".

I am justifying it for your group. It's very much a subject of this thread. I'm not sure what you are so unhappy about?

>>128293232
adoption sure isnt lazy. sterilize 80% of the humanity and there will be no problem.

>>128306296
Like a typical subhuman monkey, you're cherrypicking a part of the post you're referring to and taking it out of context to make yourself look less retarded, but it's not working. Kill yourself please.

Please (((Christcucks))) return to your homeland

>>128306531
Since it's not yet possible to extract a perfect answer on when destruction of organism becomes a murder from our understanding of these metaphysical concepts, I would recommend that your group extends that right indefinitely.

>>128306531
Open borders for Israel xD

>>128305858
A spotted owl egg is legally a spotted owl by genetics. Its multiple charges if you kill an owl and it contains eggs forming inside.

>>128308556
>legally
Like the post you're responding to says (you know, the one you didn't read), anon was drawing an invalid analogy between a legal and a moral question. If you want to argue based on legal definitions, then one could easily define murder to exclude fetuses under the law and then all is fine and dandy.