WHY THE FUCK DOES NO PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES SUPPORT NUCLEAR

hahahah idiot cucks

tfw finland is most pro-nuclear energy country in the world

Because Chernobyl, because Fukushima, because three mile island, nuclear is great until there's an accident

>>128287847
Is this the thorium shill again?

>>128288459
And running old reactors instead of building new ones is much riskier.

lol the fact that white boys get so angry about anti-nuclear proves that you are all very easily subverted.

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>>128288762
What and the fuck does nuclear energy have to do with race?

>>128288642
Idk i have a neighbor that runs the nuclear division of an energy company in the southeast USA, he said all they do is baby sit a reactor until such time they decide to use it

>>128288459
>Chernobyl
Willful disregard for safety protocols

>Fukushima
Willful disregard for safety standards

>Three-Mile Island
Example of safety systems preventing an even bigger catastrophe.

>>128287847

it's the jews fault

>>128288459
>Chernobyl
retarded commie slavs, not an argument
>Fukushima
ok so don't put them somewhere that gets hit by fucking tsunami's all the time
>three mile island
litteraly nothing happened

petrol and solar shill should be gassed for the good of humanity

>>128288884
>white people are smart enough to build and sustain a civilization
>but not smart enough to avoid simple jewish tricks
why even bother?

>>128287847
Why is nobody investing in Thorium?

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>>128289426
You're one to talk tyrone

>>128288459
>Three Mile Island.

You mean the incident that was fucking nothing? That place is still in operation to this day, and no health issues ever arose from the "catastrope" there.

>>128287847
I would certainly support a party to willing to support a thorium nuclear reactor.

much shorter half life, fuel is more efficient producing much less waste.

It was the tories that wanted to install the French EDF reactors, but may is a joke.

>>128289469
I heard because it was hard af to produce and maintain. Something to do with thorium cars explains why it's just all bad

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>>128288459
Chernobyl isn't even that bad today. All the genetic mutation and STALKER shit has always been pure fantasy

>>128288642
i cant imagine the average person knows we've got somewhere around 50 old nuclear plants across the country. most of which are either approaching or at their shelf life

>>128289596
lol you think im black because im making fun of scared little faggots like you. drop the defense mechanisms and just kill yourself.

>>128287847
>THE SOLUTION TO ALL OUR ENERGY PROBLEMS

TMI is shutting down soon because it can't compete with cheaper natural gas.

>>128289930
woops, should have checked before. apparently we have 99 plants

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>>128289955
>common sense=scared

We only have 80yrs of Uranium left at the current rate. There is other tech but currently nuclear can only support a small portion of our energy. Natural Gas is currently the best solution.

>>128288459
Yeah but why cant we just use all the empty space in the desert and just build like 20 plants and then run the country? If they blow up who cares its the desert

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If nuclear waste is bad and meltdowns are a concern then why don't we just build nuclear energy plants on the moon and just ship the energy back to earth?

>>128287847
Redpill on this one guys is Thorium, but since you can't develop weapons from it the Tech is not pushed. Once the rods are done they are no longer radioactive, and easier to control the reaction.

>>128290109
The amount of energy lost from transport would be insane

>>128287847
And it is once again about the fucking leftist hypocrisy - Germans now screech about green energy and ecology, Paris accord etc. and yet they buy 80% of the power produced in two Czech nuclear plants and has to sell their solar power for negative price.

Not to mention that when someone comes with the idea of solar panels in desert, leftists fly screeching out because that would endanger some rare bug, or an ant.

It's all just a scam for money and power.

>>128290067
>thinks being a fear filled moron with no sense of risk and reward is common sense
lol whites will be extinct by 2050 because of faggots like you. thank you.

>>128290168
This is true. Fusion is better though

>>128290109
i dont see that happening. i mean, we can't even agree to aggregate and store all of our spent fuel in a remote area of nevada guarded by literally the drone capitol of the US.

no one cares that our nuclear waste is scattered across the country is relatively less-guarded areas

>>128290110

it would waste more energy moving it back and fourth to earth than it'd produce

>people already forgot Obongo approved the first nuclear reactor in decades

Shame

>>128288762
>>128289426
>>128289955
>>128290270
cringe

Muslims would infiltrate the plant and blow it up

>>128287847
propaganda.
People still think about muh Chernobyl etc.
Nuclear reactors are a risk if retards build and maintain it.
I'm pro nuclear but I would never trust south italy enough to let them have a nuclear reactor.
You don't want mafia to cheap out and build it using shitty materials, hire retards for political reasons and fake periodic controls to save some shekels.

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>>128290270
What and the hell are you even talking about?

>>128290222
why doesn't the government just force all social housing to have solar panels on the roof?

government gets money's selling the power back onto the grid.

however renewable energy is bad for industry.

>>128288884
This is mfw i went to school to be a nuclear engineer when fukushima happened.

>>128288459
>it's dangerous, therefore we shouldn't improve it and make it safer and better

if you dumb fucks were allowed to rule, the airplane wouldn't exist.

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>>128288884
Try to guess.

>>128287847
Obama said he would. And then didn't. For all the shit he did I thought ok one good thing one long lasting event from his failures.. and he cucked us out of that.

>>128290085

Hit us up with that information then because this is the first time I've ever heard of us having so little uranium.

What's the current projection for how much natural gas we have too?

>>128288459

You're literally a fucking moron. Misinformed pricks like you are holding humanity back more than anything else.

Please do some research on the causes and effects of those alleged disasters and compare it with the effects of problems caused by other energy sources

>>128290407
>le r/cringe kek!!!
why are faggots so good at proving my point?

>>128287847
Pure cowardice, as well as vested financial interests. Blow for blow nuclear reactors completely outperform coal, fuel, and natural gas powerplants, nuclear already makes up nearly 20% of the US power supply.
>>128288459
>Garbage tier reactor built in the early 70's with no safeties.
>Older model reactor built bellow normal standards in a disaster zone, subjected to multiple natural disasters simultaneously + human error.
>Safety systems prevented a major fuckup.

Wow it's fucking nothing, oil spills, drilling accidents, platform fires, coal mine collapses, etc have probably killed more people in five years than nuclear meltdowns have in the entire history is nuclear power.

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>>128287847

I find it funny that you guys think this joke of a political system that's currently in place everywhere around the world gives a shit about the common individual.

Their only concern right now is to find more ways to fill their pockets and also find more ways to keep the normal individual subdued, and in their sphere of control.

>>128289469
I heard all the shit about it being more stable and less easy to use in weapon creation was all BS, making it just a more abundant uranium, but uranium is already abundant so it's just the same thing in the eyes of the anti-atomkrafters

>>128287847

Nuclear energy is dirty and not needed, when zero point energy is freely available

>>128290109
Cost and inefficiency of getting the energy back to population centres doesn't make sense

>>128289909
It's not the genetic changes, it's the increased chance of getting cancer.

>>128287847
thorium bitches

>>128290977
take your meds, autist

>>128291529
Cancer due to genetic changes

>>128287847
>WHY THE FUCK DOES NO PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES SUPPORT NUCLEAR ENERGY
literally EVERY REPUBLICAN DOES
WTF are you even talking about?
dems put a lock down on Nuclear Power Plants, but as soon as republicans took the house, bam, back in business.
that's why we haven't seen Nuclear power expand in the past few years, but there are literally 4 already scheduled to open in Trump's first term
It takes 5-8 years to build a nuclear power plant.

>>128291367
too bad it isn't.

Show me a zero point reactor.

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>>128287847
It's a matter of "Not in My Backyard!" (NiMB)

People will freak. DTE tried to build Fermi III and all the people in Monroe protested it (while their cars were covered in a weird soot from the coal plant) until DTE gave up.

>>128290573
It was few years back I looked into it, maybe the technology jumped, but even if you cover your whole roof, the solar is not enough to run a single household. It's actually writen on the manufacturer instructions that solar is only a support for standard grid.

Fukushima ring a bell? most humans live on fault line near oceans or water sources. Radio active contamination last thousand of years and kills instantly.

>>128288762
this is the dumbest post I've read in days

>>128291886
read the thread dumb nigger

>>128288459
Fukushima wouldn't have been even half the deal it was if it wasn't for envirofaggots blocking the transport and safe deep storage of used fuel rods.

It would be less of an issue still if it wasn't for Cold War era regulations preventing reprocessing.

All of our "waste" is created because of enviro tards and kikes sabotaging the nuclear program.

>>128289212
THIS FUCKING THIS

>>128287847
You already have 104 nuclear plants burger

>>128290573
Solar on a rooftop is not all that cost effective. It means you're doing a lot of small installs on non standard places, and need an inverter etc on every install. Maybe at some future date it will make sense.

>>128292454
Also mining the materials for solar is HORRIBLE for the enviorment.

>>128292536
Be more specific? Most of the pollution seems to be from manufacturing it in China etc where they don't care about anything.

>>128291886
>Radio active contamination last thousand of years and kills instantly.
This is the stupidest thing said in this thread.
No, Radioactive contamination doesn't kill instantly. High yield radiation itself does. Contamination is simply a term for SOME radiation attaching to other things (like dust particles) and therefore is always a lower yield than straight radiation.
If you're close enough to something that is contaminated for instant death, you're probably close enough to get the radiation that's contaminating it, which will kill you faster.
Secondly, it does not last thousands of years.
http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/radiation-levels/
fucking chernobyl isn't even deadly anymore.
You basically have to stay there an entire year, and even then only half of the place is at a level that is dangerous.
I mean, sure, much of it would still increase your cancer risk, and radiation exposure certainly feels terrible so even if it's not killing you, you won't live there, but by the time the 100 year mark rolls around, areas will be downright inhabitable.

Thousand years is on par with climate change sensationalism

>>128293321
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/11/141111-solar-panel-manufacturing-sustainability-ranking/
High level of waste/no recycling (yet)
Wastewater disposal is regulated in the US, but it's still producing more than you'd think
The data is sketchy at best. They're using the lack of data as evidence of it being green. Terrible plan.

>>128291264
Natural thorium doesn't need to be enriched and doesn't give off radon gas when it's mined

So it's essentially a more abundant uranium that doesn't require the complex and expensive enrichment process and is incredibly safer to mine. It'd be good in a large reactor, but I can see how problems would show up on small scale reactors, like for cars or houses or whatever

>>128287847
Same reason everything else is fucked, hippies and liberals.

>>128287847
No one supports fucking Nuclear power and it pisses me off. We have a massive start up for small scale nuclear reactors with dozens of companies and no one is supporting it. Back in the 1960s we had 25% of energy generated by nuclear and were world leaders in it and no we've got shit. Fuck everything.

>>128295888
Small scale reactors would be for towns and sections of a city.

>>128295888
I don't trust any of that thorium research, seems shifty as fuck. My job involves almost constantly dealing with thorium pollution

>>128296777
interesting
got any stories?

The propaganda has been too effective. Even though modern plants are perfectly safe and any other energy source has killed more people than nuclear ever has

>>128294879
That is very unspecific. Hydrofluoric acid seems to be the worst pollution the plants make (from silicon etching), but how bad is it, and can it be mitigated? If china wants to pollute their rivers with it, but it has negligible effect on the oceans, I don't see any reason to care. Also new tech is being developed like this https://phys.org/news/2017-03-pv-cells-cheaper-solar-power.html

The effect of carbon is similarly opaque and I don't buy into fear mongering about that either.

You have to also assume the panels will be running for 20 years.

>>128296930
Not really, it's a former industrial center. It's not hazardously toxic like radon or something, from my experience but I work for the state in revitalization and have constantly contradicting environmental authorities bothering me all the time

>>128288459
Thorium based nuclear power plants cannot melt down. Plus they produce no nuclear waste.

I love the nuclear threads on this board where no one knows anything about nuclear power.

The reason new plants aren't being built are because the knowledge base that was in place to build all of the plants has retired or is pushing retirement.

Westinghouse can tell you what happens when you try build new plants without knowing what the cuck you're doing.

>>128295888

Thorium is hard to get, for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yZGcr0mpw0

>>128297626
but I mean I was really fascinated with that thorium research years back, and now I'm pretty skeptical of it all; seems too much like a wonder drug. It also hinges on the questionable belief that the information is being suppressed by the oil, gas, and coal industries; which is entirely possible but shouldn't be the first assumption. The first assumption should be that it probably doesn't actually work as well as it is shilled

if any one with a background in any sort of engineering that lends themselves to being a credible opinion has more to say I'll listen

>>128296619

Word on the grapevine is this is where the tech is actually going. Smaller reactors for decentralized power transmission, better security, lower concentrations of potentially dangerous material in the event of a mishap.

You faggots realize that the only people willing to work in nuclear technology are retarded failures and idiots who want other idiots to think they're smart, right? There will never be an intelligent workforce to staff nuclear plants.

>>128298169
I am a nuclear engineer!
AMA

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>>128287847
Nuclear energy is government, not private. Almost nothing to do with the market.

>>128298169
This guy has clearly worked in the nuclear industry

>>128297996
Thorium nuclear power isn't being suppressed by oil companies, it's being suppressed by hippie tree huggers in government who have a phobia of modern technology.

>>128287847
>Coal kills way more people anally then nuclear
>Fossil fuels dump c02 waste directly into atmosphere
>Nuclear safely bottles waste up in canisters, does not pollute environment

So people protest about carbon emissions and global warming, and the deny only solution that can meed all our energy needs without any pollution of the environment. Even oil tycoons advocated solar because they know they will be dead before solar comes even close to replacing them.

>>128291529
>What is cancer
Educate yourself faggot

>>128298169
The Simpsons is not real life. I thought you should know.

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>>128298169
>that one retard on youtube is a retard, therefore all are retards

>>128298383
Thorium is gey

t. Nuclear Engineer

>>128298464
Carbon dioxide is not in any way a form of pollution. It is highly beneficial to the environment. Carbonophobia is based on psuedoscientific myth.

>>128298530
Nuclear engineers are the homosex

t. Nuclear Weapons Designer

>>128298464
>"b-burning coal gives off nuclear radiation and kills billions!!!"
WEW

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>>128298666
Don't drink bottled ice coffee it has potassium phosphate aka napalm.

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Startups and Shutdowns.
>Only seven reactors started up, while 19 were shut down in 2011 [1] and to 1 July 2012

Nuclear Phase Out Decisions.
>Four countries announced that they will phase out nuclear power within a given timeframe: Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Taiwan.

Newcomer Program Cancellations.
>At least five countries have decided not to engage or re-engage in nuclear programs, although they had previously planned to do so: Egypt, Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, and Thailand.

Construction Cancellation.
>In both Bulgaria and Japan two reactors under construction were abandoned.

Cost Increases.
>Construction costs are a key determinant of the final nuclear electricity generating costs and many projects are significantly over budget: The U.S. Watts-Bar-2 reactivation project alone increased by 60 percent over the past five years; the EPR cost estimate has increased by a factor of four (adjusted for inflation) over the past ten years.

Concusion
Prior to the March 2011 (3/11) Fukushima disaster, the nuclear industry had made it clear that it could not afford another major accident. Over the past ten years the industry has sold a survival strategy to the world as the nuclear revival or its renaissance. In reality many nuclear companies and utilities were already in great difficulties before the triple disaster hit the Japanese east coast in 2011.

>Fifteen months after 3/11, it is likely that the decline of the industry will only accelerate. The nuclear establishment has a long history of failing to deliver.

>Employment of nuclear engineers is projected to decline 4 percent from 2014 to 2024.

KEK

>>128288459

> Literally thousands of oil spills that do way more dmg to the environment.
>M-M-M-Muh Chernobyl

>>128298725
And green energy windmills require vast amounts of coal to manufacture. They consume more energy to produce than they will ever generate in their lifetime of use.

>>128298530
I would like to know more, all memes aside. Is the research in thorium that basically claims it has a 10x higher energy yield than uranium and is safe enough to drink or whatever all bullshit?

>>128287847
Because West Virginia doesn't have uranium and you don't want to try and train those fucks to run a reactor.

>>128288459
>fossil fuels are safe

>>128291658
>i cant refute his point so i'll accuse him of being mentally ill!
lol this is a basic trick that even jews find to be gauche, good job.

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>>128287847
you may be surprised to know this, but the USA has been using the most nuclear energy in world for decades.

The second place country is France.

spoiler: Homer Simpson working at a nuclear plant wasn't pure fiction. USA really does use nuclear power.

Graph says "North America" but you get the point, 90%+ of that is the USA.

>>128298725
Look up annual coal deaths. Inhalation and mining accidents just to name a few.

Also, If you treat a loaded gun like a toy without a trigger guard or gun safety techniques obviously you are going to be hurt. You are fear mongering just like Edison electrifying an elephant and then claiming AC is too dangerous to be used in homes.

Chernobyl plant was engineered improperly even to the old standards. Cite facts and numbers otherwise you are just pulling lies out of your ass.

>>128298725
>>128298464

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/903/coal-and-gas-are-far-more-harmful-than-nuclear-power/

Debate me.

>>128299242
>death is the only bad thing that could ever happen to anyone
reddit everybody

>>128287847
because it the byproduct of nuclear (right now) is plutonium and that can be weaponized. It has to be stored in giant hollowed out mountains.

You have no idea how difficult it would become to safely and secure store the enormous amounts of plutonium that would be generated of the U.S. grid was based off 70% nuclear. The US energy grid is very, very well designed, it draws about 1/5 of power from Oil, Coal, Nuke, Hydro, and all other renewables respectively

>>128299007
Its true. We just have the tech for uranium and we need to focus on developing that fuel cycle first. Its well studied and we can build uranium plants that are magnitudes safer than the old 70s tech plants.

>>128298694
Oh hai.

Do you get to use the nif?

>>128299390
Although natural gas burning emits less fatal pollutants and GHGs than coal burning, it is far deadlier than nuclear power, causing about 40 times more deaths per unit electric energy produced (ref. 2).

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/903/coal-and-gas-are-far-more-harmful-than-nuclear-power/

So it's much much safer operating, and if the plant is designed properly and proper safety guidelines are met, then the risk of meltdowns is also mitigated. What is your remark, more personal attacks instead of facts?

>>128298338
Deregulation is the answer.

>>128299536
Of course not. I would love to see a hohlraum get fired on, though.

They might cancel reactors 3 and 4 at plant vogtle since it already went several years and millions over budget. Might be because they're paying 20/hr to sweep floors.

>>128299825
Send me how 2 do full neutron transport code

>>128300001
OFF BY ONE STORY OF MY LIFE

>>128287847
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW BAD NUCLEAR ENERGY IS?

THEY TAKE RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL OUT OF THE GROUND, USE IT, THEN PUT SLIGHTLY LESS RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL BACK IN THE GROUND WHEN THEY'RE DONE

THIS KILLS THE PLANET

Oh , and all the spent fuel rods are basically just stored in very thick concrete structures on site they don't know what to do with it .

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>It’s not just that fewer nuclear reactors are coming online, the power they produce is dwarfed by the increase in number of new clean-energy power plants. The ten new nuclear reactors built in 2015 added just nine gigawatts of new energy capacity, whereas renewables added 147 gigawatts to global power supplies. "In 2016, only three new reactors started to be built around the world," says Mycle Schneider, co-author of the 2016 World Nuclear Industry Status Report, which provided the data for this infographic. "In terms of generating capacity, that’s a joke."

>Although the past five years have seen a gradual increase in reactors being connected to energy grids, the gap between renewables and nuclear energy looks set to widen. Nuclear power plants, Schneider says, are costly to build and decommission, and most governments have no plans to replace ageing plants with new reactors. "It’s impossible, even with the current number of reactors under construction, to make up for the reactor closures as they come up," he says.'

KEK

>>128300001
keff > 1

>>128288459
Idiots like you should kys. Wind and solar kill more people per kilowatt hour than nuclear even with the worst estimate death counts for chernobyl (daily reminder that literally nobody died from fukishima or three mile).

It's just that you idiots don't care about the mundane deaths of people falling off of rooftops or wind turbines. Their deaths mean less to you, and that's why you're the cruel heartless monster here.

>>128290085
>>128290085
Any isotope can work, and if there's land, there will be isotopes

>>128300353
Lol. Prk isnt neutron transport.

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>On 28 January 2017, Japanese media reported that Toshiba will not take any new nuclear reactor orders, "a move that would effectively mark its withdrawal from the nuclear plant construction business". Toshiba, owner of Westinghouse—no other company built more nuclear plants in the world— "will focus on maintenance and decommissioning operations".

>The decision to withdraw from the business of constructing nuclear reactors is mainly due to liabilities arising from multi-billion dollar cost overruns on two U.S. reactor construction projects in Georgia and South Carolina. First indications from Toshiba on losses were disclosed in December 2016.

>On 24 January 2017, Standard & Poor’s Global Ratings cut Toshiba’s credit rating deeper into junk status, downgrading it to CCC+ ("substantial risks"), down one notch from the previous B- ("highly speculative"). Both ratings are considered non-investment or "junk" level. Japan’s securities watchdog recommended that Toshiba be fined a record 7.37 billion yen US$60.5 million for overstating profits, while it is already being sued by shareholders over damages brought about by stock losses.

KEK

>>128300355
They're just afraid. They understand falling to your death or inhaling toxic chemicals and dying, but that is usually limited to employees.

They don't like the idea of a facility melting down because they think that can effect them, not just the blue collar workers.

It's a good thing popular opinion controls all nuclear activity. I can't wait until popular opinion starts advocating for more socialism as well. We also need to remove the electoral college because it stands in the way of popular opinion, the only valid metric for true correctness.

>On 29 March 2017, Westinghouse Electric Company, a subsidiary of Japanese company Toshiba and the largest historic builder of nuclear power plants in the world, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. The insolvency has resulted from a number of factors, most importantly, the massive cost increases and time delays at the two projects in Georgia and South Carolina.

>An important source of technical problems, although not the only one, has been the reactor coolant pumps (RCPs) that were supplied by US-manufacturer Curtiss-Wright Corporation. In January 2013, Nuclear Intelligence Weekly (NIW) reported that Curtiss-Wright found that a piece of a “blade within the pump had separated from the… casting” and it had to recall the RCPs that had already been shipped off. It took two years to make the necessary design changes and fixes. More recently, in February 2017, NIW reported that during pre-commissioning tests, the material that was in the shield blocks had “volumetrically expanded and extruded out of the shield blocks into the nozzle gallery” and there was “internal pressurization of the shield blocks,” according to a heavily redacted report on the issue presented by Westinghouse to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the company was forced to admit that it had “not properly considered” the possibility that the shielding material might expand in volume. The general impression one gets from these reports is that Westinghouse had rushed through with a half-baked design.

KEK

>>128289212
>Three-Mile Island
>Example of safety systems preventing an even bigger catastrophe

READINGS WERE TAKEN UPWIND
READINGS WERE TAKEN UPWIND
READINGS WERE TAKEN UPWIND
READINGS WERE TAKEN UPWIND
READINGS WERE TAKEN UPWIND

Windscale fire.

You nuclear cucks are literally the worst kinds of shills. How many times does something need to catastrophically fail before you realize that it isn't a good idea?

>>128303352
How many oil spills do we need before we realize oil is bad for the planet?

>>128303352
Nice non-argument you have there.

>>128303352
Yet somehow still better than wind/solar.

>>128303352
>catastrophically fail
and economically fail kek

>>128289955
>defense mechanism
>just kill yourself

That's an awful lot of projection there.

What about Algae to fuels? It would make us oil independent

>>128307274
Stupid. We should gassify coal before that.

>>128297206
hydrofluoric is dangerous as fuck.
However any plant that uses chemicals in the west needs an acid neutralisation plant.

there are strict regulations regarding ph levels and suspended solids before it can be disposed of into the town waste system.

you must provide regular evidence of maintenance bacteria and suspended solid concentration, also un announced spot inspections.

solar manufacturing is not much diffident from wafer manufacture, the yields for solar are low however.

China doesn't give a fuck and wages are lower. making china a more cost effective business choice for manufacturing.