>people should get free money for just being alive Do faggots

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>>128241294
>what is automation
how else do you plan to keep society afloat when unemployment surges after many jobs are taken over by tech?
I mean, it's not the only solution, but I'm simply emphasizing that you are missing the point.
As for those that argue that we won't lose jobs but instead will come up with new ones, please elaborate and provide examples, I'm curious.

>>128241941
You invest in those automation jobs while you have a job so are part owner of the business you can get a return on investment.

We agree on the final goal, nobody should work, but not the solution.

>>128241294
i think having a kid got to his head

>>128241294
>OP lives in "land of the free"
>is appalled by the concept of not having to worry about the basic necessities to live

>>128241941
What ever will the wagon drivers do when the horseless wagon becomes mainstream? all those poor souls with no job and no skills to use else where.
What about the poor seamstress when automation hits there industry?

People adapt, next.

>>128241294

People should get free money for being faggots, yes.

Isn't that how the free market works?

>>128241941
>what is automation
The gradual progression that will replace all the jobs outsourced to China.

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>>128242493
>People adapt, next

Ah yes, of course they will. Because when millions lose their job in the transportation sector due too self driving vehicles, they'll be sure to just "adapt"

>>128242743
>self driving vehicles


Kek, you actually fell for that meme..ha

>>128241294
I agree, just take it only from your democrats. Democrat jizka or whatever

>>128242479
he's the one who will be taxed more retard.

If everyone stopped working and lived off the basic income completely, the system would collapse. He's less free because more of his money goes to welfare.

>>128241294

>Not wanting free money.
>Wanting to work shit job for shit pay while dealing with shitheads who treat you like shit.
>Having ambition or drive.

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>>128241294
You should either need give people free money or have free public suicide booths to humanely kill yourself to opt out of life at any time.
Having neither is barbaric.

>>128241294
>banks can create money out of thin air, but don't you dare give it to people!
lmao

>>128242892
how is it a meme? I don't know anything about it. I just assumed with all the hype that it couldn't possibly be fake.

You don't think we'll have self-driving vehicles on the road in 10 years?

>>128241294
I believe it because I really don't want to work.

>>128242743
>Autopilot will end all Pilots careers.

>>128243031
I can't wait to watch world star videos of a dude standing in front of a self driving truck while his mates loot the cargo.

>>128241294
>people should get free money for just being alive
Well it worked for him.

The day you stop working is the day you start to die.

>>128242956
Basic income is for when there aren't enough jobs left for everyone, so in actuality you are the retard ;)

Jews telling people what they think people want to hear.

>>128243128
Jesus, are you a human drone?

>>128243023
lmao, yeah I know.

Not like anything wrong could happen anyway giving away free money made out of linen paper .
I mean lol, fucking idiots.

>>128243134
Sure, that's what they sell it as. But in reality, it will be as soon as some jobs get automated, and we have maybe 15% unemployment. That means 85% of the people are still working and get taxed more.

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>>128243128
Good goy

corporatocracies that pay for basic necessities of citizens is the inevitable future of the west.

>>128243115
They could do that right now.

>>128243207

No, I'm an artist and a programmer, one day I'll retire from programming, but the day I retire from making art is the day I start to die

>>128243281
A human driver might run them over a robot never would.

He has a face you can trust... you can just pick up on the warmth there.

>>128243217
the government doesn't send you a bundle of cash, retard, it deposits cash in your account.
>but what if everyone tries to withdraw all their money in cash
then we're in the middle of a bank run and have far bigger concerns

>>128241294
screw this guy

Think about this 100 years ago a farmer could for example produce food for 10 people but now with technological progress for more than 100 people

So only one ine 100 need to work so the people have food. If technology increases that fast basic income is possible

>>128243325
Why not? You could put camers around the truck and have an remote inspection center for the entire fleet. If they see a Truck is being robbed, they can make the executive decision and run them over.

>>128241294
Only if it replaces welfare

>>128243325
Human drivers aren't allowed to run people over. There's a 100% chance that all self driving cargo vehicles will also automatically call the damn cops when the cargo is accessed without authorization.

>>128243410
The whole point is to remove humans who are an expense. Maybe america will make that legal. But in Aussie that will never be legal. You can't kill to protect property unless its govt or a bank, basically.

>>128241294
Why do people think we NEED jobs. You guys are retarded and don't understand the whole point of automation. We are eventually trying to NOT work. That is the whole point, to elevate society to that point where we can all comfortably relax. You guys cling to your faggot "jerbs" like someone with massive stockholm syndrome.

>>128241941
The best route is to heavily invest in the industries surrounding the automation of basic labor so that when it becomes the dominant workforce behind trade your country will have a seat at the table.

AI is very very far from self-repairing and self-maintining. They'll need engineers, programmers, infrastructure specialists, etc for a long time

>>128243552
Well whenever the truck goes to detroit the response time should be slow enough right.
>>128243595
Right now you are a tax base, when you serve no purpose (cash or violence) and violence is automated to expect to be sterilised at best by your rulers.

>>128241294
In my region there is people being paid 1.000 euros monthly just cause they´re "poor"(not willing to work) plus free hospedage in 100m2 houses.

Ofc arabs, gipsies and romanians mostly.

Can you believe it? In a country with 20% unemployement rate.
I love socialism.

>>128242956
Yes, you get taxed. You're part of a civilization, not a deserted island. Just as you're taxed now for the safety and security of your civilization for roads and police and other vital services.

Even with basic income being a thing, you can still work and make your fortune and you'll have the freedom to actually spend your time doing what will get you there rather than stuck being a wage slave for 10 years waiting for someone to die in upper management so you can compete with the 100 other people trying to take that one slot.

>>128241941
Do you actually trust that the jews are making UBI for your benifit? Ask yourself, when have the jews ever done something out of the goodness of their hearts?

When all the zionist globalists are touting UBI as the next best thing you need to be very wary.

>>128243031
Remeber y2k? Remeber the hype about 2012 doomsday? It all went nowhere. It was just idealistic and fear...and a little paranoia. Same concept with self driving cars.

>>128241941
The problem with the Automation Argument is that while it removes a few jobs, it creates new jobs as well (for every cashier replaced, you need programmers, aesthetic designers, someone to maintain them, installers, and so on). And besides, there are several jobs that simply require human input that you simply can't get with machines mo matter how advanced. You simply can't have a robot be a psychiatrist or a high class doctor, or even simpler jobs like car salesman.

>>128243860
I'm saying there's a reason to be opposed to increased taxation that doesn't go to anything for him.

It only goes to more welfare.

>>128243944
UBI available for all*

>* No no criminal record, no parking tickets, no swearing, required to wear a surveillance device, required to drink 1 verification can a day or UBI void

>>128243738
not an argument

>>128244195
Explain your point, this is your first post

>>128242743
This reminds me of a story that a businessman told me a few years ago.

While touring China, he came upon a team of nearly 100 workers building an earthen dam with shovels. The businessman commented to a local official that, with an earth-moving machine, a single worker could create the dam in an afternoon. The official’s curious response was, “Yes, but think of all the unemployment that would create.” “Oh,” said the businessman, “I thought you were building a dam. If it’s jobs you want to create, then take away their shovels and give them spoons.

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>>128242743
>self driving vehicles

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>>128243031
>I just assumed with all the hype that it couldn't possibly be fake

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>>128244088
am I retarded, or don't self-driving cars already exist?

The technology can't be too far off. They just need more data, really I assume.

>>128244133
I have no kids yet but I am taxed to pay for schools. I've never needed the fire department, but I'm taxed for it. I'm being taxed for all kinds of things I don't need and will never need. But that's ok because they're necessary for civilization to function.

>>128244582
They need to work out who is liable when a self driving car kills people.

>>128244259
my point is that the government/rulers/whoever would still have utilities to provide and would still be collecting taxes. even under what would be considered total automation there would still be plenty of jobs to fill in different roles opened up by automation

>>128241294
>Welfare programs aim to increase the shrinking middle class and bring up the bottom line.
>A thriving and large middle class is the mark of a thriving nation.
>Efficient and well thought out welfare programs could actually strengthen our crippled economic growth rate.

Corporate Propaganda is so entrenched in our society people don't even realize they're spouting taglines written by companies 50 years ago.

>>128244582
They do but the infrastructure doesn't support their use in bad weather conditions. Totally nonfunctional in snow, for instance. Can be fixed, but adding shit to the road that can tell cars where to go when they can't see is a taxpayer burden that isn't funded.

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Just prepare the EMP charges. Wipe it all clean, before "They" take over.

>>128242441

This is the state investing on everybody's behalf. No one will be able to buy the automated goods your business produces if they don't have income fag

>>128243057
Pilots are only there to have someone to blame shit on.

>>128244681
>I will never need the fire department
I admire your optimism at least

The only answer is population culling and control. If there are not enough jobs for all people, there need to be less people.

We already fucking pay for a lot of completely useless wastes of oxygen to even exist. The first world pays for a large portion of the third world to even exist. Start sterilizing people that have never contributed a single thing to society. Problem solved.

>>128244734
I believe in Australian welfare is currently 40% of the budget, Once it's 80%, there's no point to citizens anymore. You're not recouping shit at that point.

Free money is the last desperate attempt by the central bankers to keep the economy afloat.

>>128243325

Not if Bezos lobbies the government to allow him to deploy drones from his zeppelins and rain lead on those fuckers from above you dumb fuckaroo

>>128244824
tell 'em, comrade.

We'll have socialism in no time.

>>128241294
It's a small price to pay for total control.

>>128241294

I feel like I deserve free money for being alive but not everyone else

>>128244913
b-b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-b-b-but that would mean I get sterilized :(

With the way that automation is going universal basic income is an inevitability really. Without it and the ever increasing automation in industries you're gonna class warfare like no other in the history of man.

>>128241941
>Dude these 'fertilizers' are going to destroy society. Something like 95% of the population is employed as illiterate serfs, what are they all going to do?

>>128244995
I can't til that's automated and a small child chasing a ball is blown away, but it will just be another UBI users so no big loss right lol.

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>>128241294
Jews believe it.

>>128244905
>britan reading comprehension

Never said I will never need the fire department, just that I haven't yet needed it. I'm fine with being taxed thus far instead of possibly receiving a bill for services rendered down the line because I know society as a whole needs it.

>>128241294
Give me my free money you rich asshole¡¡¡

>>128242493

You are missing the main point. Most these jobs that are gonna be automated are low level skill jobs. Thats the majority of the workforce. They are gonna need to eat and drink and if they dont have jobs guess whose stuff they are coming for. The people who have good jobs will get their shit vandalized and stolen in mass waves.

Law and order wont stop over 100 million hungry people trying to eat.

>>128244995
>Bezos recently became the wealthiest man in the world
>tfw trading Gates-ian homo-tier philantrophy for fully-automated techno-capitalism

>>128245094
UBI is class warfare ya fucktard

>>128244127

Of course you fucking can, emotional manipulation is the easiest thing to program. It's what the videogame industry runs off of already.

>>128245006
>Socialism and Communism are the same thing.
>Not realizing you live in a socialist democracy.

Wish I could be this retarded.

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>>128244874
Yes they will, everyone that invested will get a return on investment from the sales in the business.

Dumb people that cant look 2 years in the future would either die off or live at the mercy of the smart people.

>2017
>Trusting the state to do anything on your behalf
kys

>>128245074
>You were ever going to fuck a real woman.

Sure thing there buddy.

>>128244913
This future could only exist in the ones where hitler won. You're in one of the shitty timelines where he an heroed.

>>128245150
Most of pol is retarded. Unskilled workers can't be fix as a whole, skilled work is too demanding. Sterilisation and slavery is the UBI future.

>>128243595
You got that retard gene anon

>>128245196
>emotional manipulation is the easiest thing to program

this might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on 4chan.

>>128244734
True. They won't be full-time jobs, in all likelihood.
>>128244732
Only if you're some cucked Protestant who believes that assigning blame for something is the acme of morality.
One of the things about single-payer that people don't consider is that, all else equal, car insurance would be a crapload cheaper without needing to hang blame on someone.
>>128244913
You sound like a liberal, you know that?
>>128244940
>muh government should be run like a business
Where's my dividend check, bitch?
>>128245150
This burger gets it. People are not going to lay down and starve just because a bunch of snotty weebs say the inferior should starve. They're going to be found through the same open source intel that we are famous for and they are going to have a very bad night.
>>128245192
And capitalism isn't? Just admit you've picked sides in that class war and all you've got is bullshit and cops to protect your hideous weeb self from what you really deserve.

>>128245101

It's 100x less likely to happen than with human cops.

>>128245201
>we have taxes and public programs
>therefore, socialism

no, sorry.

who is gonna pay?

no such thing as a free meal

>>128244265
Well obviously the building of the dam served more than one function, to get a dam & to provide work so the people could live, seems a more noble cause than if it were just the dam by itself.

>>128245239
dude it'll happen one day.

>>128245192
enjoy poor people coming to your house, stealing your shit and raping your daughter you fuckhead

welfare isn't a charity - welfare is so that poor people don't set up a guillotine in your cities cbd.

>>128245376
yeah they will probably be automated very last.
>>128245339
Who is liable is a legal matter m8.

>>128245117
Fair enough. Took it as an example of something you would never need but I see what you mean.

>>128245339
I sound like a liberal? Are you fucking retarded? Liberals want to help everyone and make sure everyone has equality of outcome. I want to eradicate the world of all of the complete and utter wastes of oxygen. If I sound like a liberal, I guess Hitler was a liberal.

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>>128241294

>>128245387
public programs are inherently socialist you fuckwit

>>128245321

Every fucking salesman and every fucking pickup artist/gold digger runs off the exact same script that could be condensed into 500 lines of perl.

>find person's insecurities/compulsions
>amplify them until they shut down their rational brain center

>>128245550
>muhh socialism durrrrr

literally off yourself.

>>128241294

No. And yes. Once robots are so prevalent they take over almost all industry and work most jobs? Yes. Right now? No.

Right now we need people to work to drive society to function. We have no the technology for anything else. Capitalism creates a greedy drive to move men to work of their own will. Which is effective to some extent.

In the future however, this may not be required. And then the answer to your question is yes.

>>128241294

Universal basic income is retarded. What incentive is there to work then?

>>128245601
not an argument

enjoy licking the boot of some megacorp while you scrounge around in rubbish bins looking for food you cuck

>>128245616
UBI will be at poverty level.

>>128245339
if you are against class warfare why would you want to give them power to use a weapon such as UBI. Warfare is inherit in human society your pipe dreams of a venus society where you smoke pot in glass pyramid is not going to happen instead it will be a future like THX-1138

>>128245616

You want to make more than the bare necessities, or you have talent you must exploit. What incentive was there for 18th century lords to spend their lives writing novels or sciencing the shit out of shit if they were already set for life.

>>128245616
there isn't enough work to do

>>128241294
like in Venezuela?

I like how this cocksucker thinks running his little fun app fiefdom makes him fit for running the world.

>>128245616

That's the point. There is no work. Eventually robots build everything and humans will just be roaming assholes. UBI is to give people something to play with while man becomes obsolete.

>>128245666

So everyone will be on welfare. Sounds like a recipe for disaster

>>128241294
Its all so they can have more control over you.

we'd be having to eat out of their hand.

>>128245281
Nope. You just can't see past the mire you were born unto.

You don't NEED to work. Society can be elevated from this.

It doesn't really matter though. /Pol/ on average is way to retarded to understand this.

>>128245814
It is, this shit is not going to be star trek m8. Probably better than your current us welfare though, your welfare is terrible.

>>128245875
>dude.. lets just like nationalize every industry ever and throw a trillion dollars at them and hire a bunch of engineers and then everything will be automated and everyone will get exactly what they need and nobody will....


People already tried that. It's called Communist China. Everyone starved to death.

>>128245666

Checked and.. I figured as much. It lowers the standard too far and causes lack of competition, which will also mean lack of progress. Basically, everywhere will look like africa.

>>128245813
man won't become redundant until fully conscious and sentient AI exists. we have capabilities which will be useful until this point.

at this point, AI will advance past us and probably view us as primitives who created their society's bedrock and early history. from this perspective, AI treating us poorly to any degree will be extremely implausible (at worst, AI computers/networks will just ignore us).

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wtf I love serfdom now

>the elite oligarchy will pay my way and not want anything in return because they are good people
>no they won't use their automated armies on us once we are reliant on their goods and assistance
>hurr its the corporations man even though they also control government through lobbying and alliance
>im from r/futurolgy and a huge faggot that sucks cock regularly

>pay the poor
>kill the poor

Pick one

UBI should only be done if every other form of welfare is scrapped. Just hand out x amount per month to people and let them figure out their finances. They can either live like a poorfag or get a job and use the UBI as a supplement like a smart person would.

>>128246066
hey man, at least something's happening. Next 30-40 years should be incredibly interesting to live through.

Here's to hoping we don't both die of heart attacks.

>>128246024

They never tried automating shit, just mass murdering sparrows and starving to death and melting all their pots and pans into pig iron and again starving to death.

Chinks are nigger tier.

>>128245496
Currently, it is, but under a social insurance system, how is culpability even relevant? Western "civilization" seems to prefer paying twice to assign blame than to pay once to cover losses.
>>128245526
I don't know whose crack you're smoking, but you're a fucking burger and you need to shut the fuck up and listen to people who know better than you.
Liberals believe that market exchange is the most efficient system of distribution. Go look it up, I'll wait.
>I want to eradicate the world of all of the complete and utter wastes of oxygen.
Charity begins at home. Pic related
>>128245698
>if you are against class warfare
What weapon?
>Warfare is inherit in human society
I'm supposed to believe a half-dicked burger who can't english? You're out of your element, sonny. Move on.
>>128246066
Way to miss the point. The elite oligarchy isn't paying anything. New money is being issued TO YOU without having to suck the dick of the elite oligarchy and convince them you're worthy.

>>128246066
This is the thing, automated armies are overt. That's only going to happen in absolute shitholes. I saw an old australian guy of some standing talking about putting something in Aboriginals water to sterilise them and solve the problem. UBI will be solved like that, only takes a generation to remove the undesirables. Why no one else sees this perplexes me.

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oops, forgot pic

>>128244265
/thead, OP is a faggot who doesn't speak basic economics

>>128246217
so you think fucking AMERICA is gonna pull it off? Newsflash, kiddo. America is 40% white and falling. This trashheap won't be accomplishing anything. The only areas that any promise exists are Israel and China.

Maybe Russia depending on how they play their cards.

>>128245875
We all come to different conclusions at different times of our lives.
When i was 19 i feel in love with the Venus Project and the idea of "not working" and reaching for the stars with innovation.
But at the end of the day i feel that work gives value to the person. I love my job. I love having structure.
I have tried both. Unemployed for four yeara doing drugs no care in the world.
I was unhealthy, unmotivated and dumb.
Maybe in the future your utopia will be realised but right now its all good.

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What is the federal reserve anyways?

>>128241941

>industrial revolution replaced 90% of jobs
>today most people still have jobs

>automation will replace 60% of jobs
>no one will have a job in the future?

i could use a butthole wiper. Seriously, if I am one of the contributing people I would like someone who comes to my house and does things I don't want to do all day. I will pay you, it's a job. I don't want to walk my dog, put my dishes in the dish washer. I don't want to sweep my floor. You can do that.

>>128245387
>The electricity running through your laptop is probably from a power company whose infrastructure was created by intervention from the government during the great recession.
>The government redistributes wealth to multinationals who are in threat of going under.
>The government redistributes wealth to maintain the roads you drive on, the emergency services on standby ready to protect you, the military whose power ensures our global position, subsidizes the hospitals that you get treated at,

Social democracy

>>128241294
>>people should get free money for just being alive
it's the future you faggot, get on board

>>128241294
>free monies for everyone
And then Americans one day will wake up to reality in which 'universal basic income' means sucking local NWO's party offical's cock for a bowl of protein pasta

And Zuck is still going to live in the palace on the hill, LOL

>>128246317

A couple hundred thousand whites who know how to make shit and order niggers around is all it would take. America also gets the top .01% of gooks and pajeets, at least in theory

>>128246237
Legal liability is the only thing really holding back automated vehicles. Like the automated vehicle that crashed into a white semi truck trailer because the programming thought it was clear. Who pays for that shit. The guy in the automated car died, who pays. This is the most important part. If you want the west to throw away all laws I don't know what to tell you.

>>128245602
The elites will cull the population of the obsolete workforce, not give them a paycheck.

UBI would make sense to accelerate the development of automation though. Studies show most people will still work because the majority of people are greedy and materialistic enough to not be satisfied with borderline poverty.

Only unskilled, low-paid workers would stop working and that would drive up wages for those that still chose to work.

I think modern society creates enough in abundance that not everyone needs to work, just people worth a damn. Taken to it's logical conclusion, eventually generations of people living on UBI will be basically useless and will be culled off somehow to save resources for the productive, or at least the elite until all labor is made obsolete if that is even possible.

I would say, that by law if only receive UBI enough for one person to live marginally and no more money is added for having children. But free abortions or birth control. Families would be forced either into poverty or into work and that'd keep the underclass population to manageable levels.

>>128246548
The British thought the same thing, too. I hope you learn their less up close, personal, and far more painfully.

>>128246548
Yeah good point. Actually if Trump manages to get all the hard working smart autists to America in time, I could see something beautiful happening here.

All I know is if things don't change pretty drastically, we're doomed.

>>128246541
>America will abandon the economic system that made it the most dominant power on the earth because liberals want to make poor people contributing members of society.

I can't imagine being this stupid.

>>128243595

>Rich people are going to just give money away so the rest of us can live, despite that offering no positive for them
>Rich business owners are going to pay you to sit around and invent things or start business in direct competition with them
>You dumbfucks actually believe this

>>128246449
You sound poor, wasting money on a butthole wiper. Just get a bidet if you want to be fancy. Long term rich people don't waste money and are tight as shit.

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>>128246251
yea and so is armed rebellion with guerilla tactics. you're right though they would most likely use bioweapons such as a required vaccine to get UBI that ends up sterilizing and killing people.

>fucking two thousand and seventeen

I seriously hope none of you fuckers are on kikebook.

>>128241294
I'm fine with that but only for the 'party members'. The scum will be paying and that includes suck-a-turd who will be working hard assambling plugs in the internment camp.
I'm not a NAZI so by party members I mean the loyal citizens who fight for the right.

>>128246627
Or, better yet, people might shorten their hours and create more positions, rather than compete. There isn't any need to piss on other people.
>>128246541
Then it's not universal anymore, is it? Now it's a jobs guarantee, which is a whole separate program with its own particular advantages and disadvantages.
>blow jobs guarantee, in fact

>>128246781
RARE
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>>128242441
So in your future society instead of 2 or 3 greedy capitalists everybody can be a capitalist? But where do you get the money for the first investment? If you take loans you base your society on gamble, which suprise suprise, isn't very good. And if you say state, you basically describe basic income. And what happens when population grows? If everybody needs to invest in shares those shares get smaller and smaller and the share returns wont be enough to go through your daily life.

>>128246905
swedeanon doesn't understand not being cucked to an owner.

>>128243031
What do you think lane assist and self parking is? The fleet of vehicles in the United States changes over every 25 years or so. It's a change that is gradual. More and more cars at lower and lower price points are coming with driver assistance features. I have a hunch that those cars are collecting data on driving patterns, habits, etc. The technology is developing. I don't think we will see a fully automated fleet within the next 30 years though.

>>128243638
Yeah, this. Most of the population is going to be culled one way or another, the best way to secure any chance of survival is investing in these fields so you become a lower-class member of the future aristocracy.

>>128247091
We had self-driving vehicles long ago. The car companies tore up the tracks to create markets for their little autistmobiles.
>>128247143
Why not simply genocide the aristocracy instead? It would work out better for most of us, along with a one-child policy.

>>128247091
uh well I saw a video and it says the singularity will be here in 25 years so your'e wrong, sorry bud.

>>128246671
I don't know where automation is going to take us, lad. But I'm pretty sure there may come a point when the higher-ups don't need us anymore. Australian in post above said it straight, if they are merciful and humane they will put something in the water to sterilise us and after one generation problem will take care of itself. Or they will drop some advanced virus on us and we will all die by plague.

And there will be no free monies for everyone

>>128242493
Some people need to feel hungry to make them work...

Free money is a really bad idea for lots of reasons...

Who the fuck is going to do all the shit shoving jobs if you give shit shovelers free money to do nothing. All the low skilled / undesirable work that the world needs to stay running wont get done. I'm not talking about jobs that can easily be automated.

Also, inflation would immediately become visible...

Something that isn't earned has no value. So nobody would save money, since it will be dumped on the economy.

There will be no incentive for new entrepreneurs to become entrepreneurs. Corporatism would boom for a while before everything slowly turned to shit.

Policymakers should keep the fuck out of the economy. These cunts have never had a real world job, or ever worked in a profit turning organisation.

These cunts wouldn't be able to manage a sausage sizzle.

Let those who can do. everybody else fuck off.

>>128247143
agreed. Besides, it's a pretty interesting field to participate in, or so it seems.

>>128247227
>just kill every wealthy and powerful person on the planet

wew lad. Good luck with that.

>>128247227
Because the modern aristocracy will stomp your shit so hard you will never achieve anything. Are you a commie or something you seem deluded, you can pay a tenth of the population to crush the rest and the aristocracy(1%) uses your taxes to pay them lol, and they will love it.

>>128247227
>Why not simply genocide the aristocracy instead? It would work out better for most of us, along with a one-child policy.

If you look at the French and Revolution, most of the population is going to be culled one way or another. In fact, a revolution is more chaotic and bodes a lower chance of survival for me.

I don't care about the "we", I care about the survival of myself and by extension my family.

>>128247381
what low skilled job can't be easily automated?

>>128247522
early childhood education

>>128247670
Teaching degree is low skilled? Ok.

>>128244972
They want to inflate their way out of debt... which means that all the responsible people who save money and keep out of debt get fucked over...

>>128247464
>If you look at the French and Revolution
Fucked up the wording. If you look at the French Revolution or Russian Revolution, you'll see that most of the population will be fucked over regardless. In revolutions you can be killed for "anti-revolutionary" activity and often it's completely arbitrary. With the elitist technocratic class taking control, I think I am safe in assuming they will retain most of the rules of capitalism and property ownership, so my best chances at survival is just playing by their rules and deciphering their intentions. They're all neoliberals after all.

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>>128241941
mfw serbiananon steal all the attetion of the thread from OP

>>128247764
durr hey kids 2 + 2 now lets watch this John Greene video about history
ok now lets do coloring!

>>128248004
The sad truth is that you can't be hired for a job like that without a degree, even if it truly is "low skilled"

>>128246905
>So in your future society instead of 2 or 3 greedy capitalists everybody can be a capitalist?
If everyone wants to be a capitalist, sure, thats the only way you create wealth and a fully automated society.
Writing on a piece of paper that everyone should get producs, it does not create anything, its not productive.
>But where do you get the money for the first investment?
From your parents, just like you inherit a farm.
>And what happens when population grows?
Since society is fully automated, you can just tell the robots to expand their production for higher needs.
If everybody needs to invest in shares those >shares get smaller and smaller and the share returns wont be enough to go through your daily life.
wot.jpg..
Robots will repair themselves.
The products your shares create is needed by others that creates other products that you need.
>>128247087
Im the owner, screw you niggers, you didint think to invest into an automation system, you´re not getting the profits from it.

If everyone can just lay back and trust the government to help them, why the fuck would you even invest time into automation to begin with? There is no magic spell, there is work needed to create such a society.

>>128248004
If it has a degree or 4 years training it's not really low skilled m8. It will be automated eventually.

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>>128242743
if we start to let machines to drive for us, literally, we are the dumbest specie on earth

>>128248183
you're right.

what the H are we gonna end up doing? I feel like it's going to end badly.

>>128245666
you mean it will be introduced at poverty level...

then it will creep up...

soon it will be high enough that it becomes impossible to find willing workers for some crucial jobs, which means that some businesses will soon cease to exist...

you start fucking with things you get unintended consequences...

the economy grows spontaniously from the effort of entrepreneurs. it doesnt need some overseer to make it happen. take the incentive away from actual entrepreneurs and the only entrepreneurs you will get are scummy gibs mining entrepreneurs...

>>128248183
A preschool teacher really doesn't need to be any more knowledgeable than the kids they're teaching. The standards to get into the position are simply ridiculous.

>>128248155
The question is always who pays. Who pays to increase production of these robots. Raw materials aren't free. Who pays, and why would they care about people living off them for free. Unless it benefits them. The solution is to remove expenses (UBI people) in a way they don't even notice. It will happen.

>>128247522
irregular and ad hoc work...

e.g. when you need 15 guys to do something real quick.

>>128247522
non routine work

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>>128243839
fucking hell we are a lefty meme

>>128248286
It won't creep up without conditions. The conditions will be control mechanisms.
>>128248505
That whole business is unsustainable. ad hoc work is shit. Australia has protected its trades unlike all these other first world nations (i'm glad they do) but you could easily destroy that with immigration.

>>128242960

this

>>128247522
sewage line unblockers (plumbing emergencies)

>>128247396
If people wouldn't run interference for them, it would be relatively simple. Simply nuking Chantilly right now and Davos next winter would take care of much of the heavy lifting.
>>128247450
Why are you running interference for them, traitor?
>>128247464
Your genes are shit and myopic people like you are the problem.
>>128248155
>Im the owner
Then you're a lazy entitled cunt who needs to be taken down a notch or two.
>didn't think
Didn't have the capital. If we all had equal access to capital, you'd be just another undifferentiated shitstain.
>why the fuck would you even invest time into automation to begin with?
A co-op would invest in it for shorter hours. Why wouldn't you?

>>128247522
a lot of small to medium business work

>>128248424
>Who pays to increase production of these robots.
The robots do
>Raw materials aren't free.
No, but you get free income from your fully automated plant to spend. So you dont have to work for it.
I said there will be no work, not that everything will be free.
>why would they care about people living off them for free.
They're fucking robots, we can program them into thinking any or no emotions whatsoever.

>>128244127
plus driving vehicules and takes decissive decisions

>>128248726
Your right, more trades, Can just get poles to do it for 20c on the dollar.

>>128241294
>Do faggots actually believe this?
Yes FAGGOTS actually believe that. Normal people don`t.

>>128248780
Robots aren't people who owns the robots?
>>128248772
Because thy own all communication. Best try and own a raw material like water m8. Nestle beating you to it.

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NO! Give them free money and they just buy drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, gambling, junk food, and Frappuchinos while avoiding work.

However, I do believe all people should be given eco-chic tiny houses to live in and healthy organic food to eat, and internet/phone service. This will incentivize people to work to be able to buy anything else they want, and also we will really be able to tap into the real potential of human capital when people can do what they are good at without worrying about where their next meal will come from or where they will sleep.

>>128248772
>Then you're a lazy entitled cunt who needs to be taken down a notch or two.

I worked to build it, im entitled, ur the lazy entitled cunt.

>>128248894
I own the robots. Capitalism means private property and trade between consenting adults.

>>128248286
>soon it will be high enough that it becomes impossible to find willing workers for some crucial jobs, which means that some businesses will soon cease to exist...
>muh businesses
Bummer. Now that everyone has UBi, everyone can start up their own, working by hand if needed. Capital becomes far less important.
>>128248667
>It won't creep up without conditions
You seem to be missing the universality point. The whole POINT of the universality is that EVERYONE gets it without means-testing.
>>128248894
Property rights are as valid as they are defensible. Communism starts to look really good to non-cucks once everything is privatized.
>>128248932
More burgerbleating. Do you understand yet why the world wants you to go the fuck away and get out of their lives?

>>128249009
Are you a charity? You won the robots, who pays you for their work?

>>128248155
No wonder someone from 60% tax welfare state thinks that economy based on automation and people will coexist in the future. Nobody should work, those who decide to will do creative thingies, and robots will repair themselves so you can watch your wife being banged all day by Somali bull, sure thing.

>Since society is fully automated, you can just tell the robots to expand their production for higher needs
Because resources are unlimited, how come nobody here thought of that before, damn. Just because you people work more to fulfill higher needs of Somalian families doesn't mean that's how the world works

>>128248667
ad hoc work is the life blood of entrepreneurial businesses...

entrepreneurial businesses are very dynamic and always changing and evolving

they type of jobs that need to be done are always changing as well.

systems constantly changing / improving

adapting to changing conditions and opportunities

this is not programmable work

>>128249026
>The whole POINT of the universality is that EVERYONE gets it without means-testing.
And then they add conditions, stuff no one disagrees with like criminals don't get it they get something else as punishment. Then you ramp it up targeting minority groups like smokers whatever until UBI is hard to keep without being a slave.
>>128249174
Eventually it will be. This is many years away though. Even so can use immigration and 457 to make it cheaper. Law firms (who should never be corporate) floated on the ASX in the last few years, everything is becoming corporate m8. Just need a company to buy up and kill all the independent trades.

>>128249069
What are you talking about? They're robots they are slaves.
>>128249138
Then the robots will expand to become more self-sustainable. They will figure it out themselves If we are talking about a true fully automated society.I wont even have to do the thinking,
If i had to, then my work is not done, and there are jobs open, and I need to work my ass off to fix it until its fully automated.

>>128249455
So you own "slaves" and you work them for free. You are a charity.

>>128248667
im not talking about trades. im talking about labour hire work...

>>128249353
No, they don't add conditions. Then it's no longer universal, and now everyone losing that big chunk of change every month storms their representative's office and makes their waking life hell until they fix their shit.

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>>128241294
>richest society in history
>rapidly growing efficient in production
>wages deflated to the same level for the past 50 years
>blue collar workers can't even afford housing
>half of society doesn't have any savings
muh capitalism

>>128249496
No, charity means im giving something for free.

Either the fully automation means Im completely self sustainable and wont need to rely on anyone else.
Or it means the robots create products that needs to be traded with others, which means others are paying for the robots, and im paying them for the products that I need.

>>128249627
Welfare and debt around the world started expanding to new heights in the 1970s.

Its statism and socialism not capitalism.

It's either that or basically turn the rest of the world into Yemen.

>>128249609
Like adecco shit?
>>128249612
Everything has conditions. More will be added.
>>128249652
So you own a self sustaining empire and you rent it for free. Nice. I would rent it for whatever the market could bear and increase my wealth.

>>128249455
>Robboty robots will do robot things
The elites simply won't need you. If you survive the extermination you will be a serf. They will keep you for entertainment. Lower classes won't profit from the next great leap of humanity, your comfortable vision of future is bullshit, same as the made up reality of your swedish media and politics

>>128249835
I think ur misunderstanding me, im not a communist.

>>128249961
I am the elite, I agree, the lower classes arent needed, fuck them.

>>128249835
Proofs or discarded.

>>128250146
There's no proof it hasn't happened yet. Just imagine the most greedy people possible in charge of it and you will understand.

>>128241294
This is not a solution, but a way of segregating the population. All welfare is a form of social suppression, removing incentives for striving for a better life, decapitating the ambition to the downtrodden.

Automation is the great filter. It is the reason that few civilizations become truly spacefaring. Basic Income will just be a method of holocausting the neckbeards.

>>128249835
I would rent it for whatever the market could bear and increase my wealth.
Go ahead.
>>128250193
You wouldn't even need people in charge of it. All you'd need is a robot to cut checks or credit accounts. Liberalism kinda asphyxiates when there's nobody to declare unworthy of public goods.

>>128241294
I'm sure Facebook and Apple execs want UBI so they have more retards to buy or participate in their products. At a certain point you cap sales with a person, higher volume sales are idea.

>people give the gubmint money in the form of taxes
>the gubmint gives the people back the money in the form of UBI
Why not just reduce income taxes to zero?

Oh probably because you want gubmint expenditure/indebtedness to keep rising thereby inflating the currency, ultimately making the UBI useless.

>>128250073
By elites you mean the ruling 1%? One of those 70 millions? When drastic changes come I bet some of those will be surprised there is no place for them on the salvation arc.

But good luck nonetheless, hope you make it. I won't, will die of starvation instead

Full automation will force a base salary upon us.

>>128250462
Whoever makes the choice to be in the elite, It could be every human on earth, it could be 1 person.

The only thing that can bring you into the elite is being born into it, or work your ass off.
I will not trust the government.

>>128250458
How does zero taxation provide public goods and services?
>gubmint expenditure/indebtedness
Look up the sectoral model. Public debt === private assets. This is a basic accounting identity, not funny math. When private banks create money through loans, they write checks the public's ass must someday cash and keep a vig for themselves.
>>128250679
>I will not trust the government.
After the Assange affair, I wouldn't blame you. Sweden's a little bit insane.

for any company humans are the geatest resource this planet has... humans with money = consumers = bum on seats watching advertising, Facebook, google, apple etc provide the platform from which advertising is viewed from and purchases made, the only way for these companies to expand is for more people with money to buy phones or make amazon purchases etc
Zuckerberg is actually pretty smart
he is like a king that say "we need more serfs! not more nobles who just hoard their money and plan to threaten my throne one day!"

>>128242493
If there were as many wagon drivers as there are factory and assembly workers your shitty argument might make sense.

Why do we need UBI with automation? In fact, why do we need money at all with automation?

If we get to a point where manufacturing is automated end to end with robots that maintain themselves, why do we need to pay for something produced by a machine that is entirely self sufficient, working in a network of other automated production means that don't need humans that need to purchase goods produced by other humans if the needs of human survival are entirely eliminated from the production chain?

This is not near future--maybe 200 years(?) let's say. If we get to a point where the things that produce don't need maintenance by living things or the sustainment of living things or even the intellect of a living thing to design them what does the idea of money become?

>>128251324
wow so deep ur like so intelligent wow

>>128251408
It's a legitimate question

Money derives its value from the needs of end users that use it to survive. But if the things we need to survive are produced by self sustaining machines, what are we paying for? A machine doesn't eat or need to take a shower, what does it need money for, especially if it can be maintained by other equipment that doesn't need money to survive.

>>128250858
Nobody says we have to let things work out to his advantage. Zucky is a piece of shit but UBI is part of a balanced breakfast. Combined with a jobs guarantee where everyone who wants a job can be employed working on infrastructure, and a flat tax on all income in excess of UBI, a healthy steady-state economy can be built.
>>128251324
>what does the idea of money become
A crime against humanity, or a mechanism for regulating overconsumption and thus overproduction.

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>>128241941
>picrelated

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>>128244904
No shit.

People who think truck drivers will be replaced in 10-years are delusional.

If all jobs are taken because of automation, then you'd see things like Twitch or other forms of entertainment take off where rich people voluntarily give their money to people who interest them like jesters in royal courts. Where there's money to be had by the rich, and as goods and services become cheaper due to automation, the rich will have loads of ways to throw their money at people voluntarily, we don't need government to force it out of them.

>>128251707
they'll be replaced in 5

>>128251764
What if they prefer to buy children for rape instead? It's not as if there isn't precedent for that.

>>128252719
Nothing wrong with that as long as the child consents.

>>128241294
It's communism. We are all justa big family aren't we? The automation is creation of OUR great efforts so the fruits of our labour belong to US. Pay your taxes anon.

>>128241294
>people should get free money for just being alive
Zuckerjew got tons of money just for being alive.
If he had to work for his money like everybody else, he wouldn't say shit like that.

>>128244088
It "went nowhere" because everyone spent a fucking fortune and hired half of India to fix the problem. Jesus Christ you're pretty fucking stupid.

>>128241294
As far as I recall the original idea behind UBI was to bunch all welfare programs together and without cutting/increasing spending divide the money between the population.

The rationale was that in this way you'll save shittons of money spent on administration normally and as such people will get pretty decent money out of it.

Later on luddites, socialists, greens, niggers and other idiots latched on the idea and started spewing some bullshit about the sum of money having to be big enough to blah blah blah.

>>128241294
Zuckerberg is a manlet

>>128241294
when this faggot leads by example
go for it

>>128254566
If he weren't cucked by the idea of believing that he "earned" the small pittance that his employer felt like dispensing to him that day, sure he would.

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>>128241294

>>128243860
How about REDUCING taxes for small business and getting rid of all the red tape that makes it so difficult to start one.

>>128254854
That only helps if you win. UBI helps whether you win or lose.

>>128241294

I am sure he's leading the project by redistributing his own billions first.

>>128247381
>Who the fuck is going to do all the shit shoving jobs if you give shit shovelers free money to do nothing. All the low skilled / undesirable work that the world needs to stay running wont get done. I'm not talking about jobs that can easily be automated.

This is probably why we had slavery back in the day. Leave it to liberals to bring everything full circle, huh.

>>128255511
People who want more money, of course.
Shit-shoveling jobs just might have to be paid less shittily if anyone really wants them done.

>>128241294

That looks like a reason to only rise the prices.

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>he think the corporations will give people free money after government fall.

come on son, you know that will never happen, the future will look something like incorporated or continumm where government fall and corporations take control. the future will look like shit for normal people, maybe 95 % of the population will live like in detroit or worse and the rest will work like slaves for corporations.

HAIL PRESIDENT ZUCC

>>128255693
The only winning move is not to breed.

>>128250771
>zero taxation
how does no income tax equal zero taxation?

I was referring to the increased debt load from interest payed on the national debt that has to be borrowed by printing more money, increasing the money supply and therefore inflation in the end.

>>128256039
>interest on the national debt
>borrowed by printing more money
We don't have to borrow anything. The proof platinum coin thing is not a gimmick. For whatever reason, we simply have decided that we 'should' borrow from the private sector and pay them interest, at least that part of it who has money to "lend" back in the first place.
The kitchen table metaphor does not apply to a sovereign currency issuer. It would be a much better idea to just print the money to buy back all that public debt and reissue asset-backed money instead.

>>128241941
fpbp

>>128244127
yes but by definition it removes more jobs than it creates. they wouldnt be doing it otherwise. human labour is greatest cost and the value gained by automation is the removal of labour. if that was just changed to programmers labour on equal amounts then thered by no point.