>The market will regulate itself Wew, when will free market

>>128229187
>>The market will regulate itself
Thats not what free marketeers believe, they believe free market competition is the best pricing mechanism.

>>128229187
yeah it's pretty ridiculous

>>128229187
like government regulations aren't responsible for that clusterfuck

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israeli sockets dont look like that , pic related
also i thought it was worldwide standard along with 50 Hz 220V

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why is the australian one so autistic looking

>>128229187
And yet they did it with USB, HDMI, and even SPDIF.

>>128229187
Are outlets with or without a ground designed better?

>>128229487
I agree, but you got some jacked up plugs down there mate.

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>>128229187
>aus plug is the same as the china plug

>>128229187
Why is Denmark so happy?
I like the North American one. It looks concerned, the only correct way to feel

>>128229187
Op, you chose the wosrt possible example to illustrate your point because....

>>128229570
/thread

Standardization is a totalitarian impulse. When 6 people set out to solve the same problem independently, that WILL come back with at least 6 differnt solutions, all of which may be equally-valid. The market's job is to winnow the field and decide which competing ideas are best. But because of what Pajeet noticed, no one can actually choose which power plug they use.

>>128229879

Says the cunt who can't even boil a kettle using electricity

>>128229879
They're the best.

>>128230207
send me the full pic of this or your mother dies in her sleep tonight

>>128229187

why is the danish buttplug so happy??

>>128230491
Because he is socialist

>>128230256
>>128230491
It's the natural Danish expression when things are inserted into them

We are the only correct way, since we invented it.

>>128229905
>IEEE standards are regulated

>>128229187
Swiss one sure is weird.

>>128229187
china and Australia use the same power cord
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

The North American plug looks so grumpy

Planned economies based on rational calculation are infinitely better than market economies and anarchy of production.

You literally can't prove me wrong.

>>128229187
Haha Denmark is a happy face. But my North American outlets, now that is a complex expression.

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>>128229187
We'd still have a billion different chargers for phones if it wasn't for the EU laying down the law.

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>>128229187
Because current wasn't standardized before industries started to make products. Its to keep dumb fucks from killing themselves. Now its down to two standards but the plugs remain in the infrastructure and is a $$$ issue to replace.

>>128229487
No, people who are against socialism literally believe it regulates itself

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>>128229187
Demand, meet supply

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>>128229187
Absolutely right OP/
We need government.

People left alone and things go to shit fast.
It took government to save Baltimore from the perils of the free market. Thank God they stepped in when they did. Baltimore now a shining example of the fruits of government benevolence.

>>128229187
Why would you want the plugs to be the same when the electricity isn't all the same? That's a recipie for destroyed electronics.

>>128230677
They chose it for the same reason we chose it: it's cheaper to make plugs for it

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Also, if gov regs are needed, explain-
Underwriters Labs
IUPAC
ACS
JPEG

>>128229187
Lol, look at japan being so stereotypically efficient with three sockets per outlet plate!

>>128229187

Can cofirm the Japanese plugs work with all Canadian, US and Mexico plugs.

I've lived there and I never used an adapter. The Japans are smart about building tech that can be used easily by the biggest market.

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/thread

>>128229187
Why would you standardize when you can sell adapters

>>128229187
Wait, are we the only ones with switches?

>>128229187
Capitalism benefits greatly from inefficiencies such as this, as they create more niche market opportunities for businesses.

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>>128230774
Right again. You need a planned economy to truly make a people happy and satisfied.

Free market BTFO once again.

>>128229187
>the free market sells thousands of different kinds of adapters, an entirely new market and industry providing hundreds of jobs.

>>128230648
>USB isn't an IEEE standard
>>128230885
Nice house fire starter bro.
>>128230934
>UL
Literally the insurance industry banding together and refusing to pay claims caused by non-Listed equipment.
>ACS
Corporate lobby
>JPEG
Patent pool
>>128231065
I think the UK requires switches too, just not shown in weak collage.
>>128231128
Excluded middle is not an argument.

>>128231004
USB, free market
AC plugs, regulated by governing bodies

http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/internalops/ocs/400-499/oc489_6.htm

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>>128229187

plug not beign standardized is actually a good thing. Different countries distribute power differently, and plugging things in that aren't made to handle the way the power is distributed will either result in the equipment not working or destroy it. Non standardization prevents this.

>>128231065
GFCI? No. Those are used here too.

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>>128230928
And because there totally are objective reasons why voltage suddenly has to change when you cross a border, right...

>>128231004
You will not win.

>>128231128
Fuck, that looks awful.

>>128231128
Venezuela isn't a planned economy, dingus.

A significant percentage of their resources are privately owned and the nationalized resources are still run according to market economics.

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>>128229187
How do these countries get away with no ground connection?

You forgot Argentina plug which is the same as the chineese one

>>128230207

>>128230401
I demand the full image as well or the other guy's mother will die in her sleep

>>128231047
This is the same reason apple changes their i-phone connections so damn often when everyone else is using standard usb variations.

>>128231065
we are a nanny state after all

admittedly i feel uncomfortable when switches are on when nothing's plugged in

>>128229187

>implying free market capitalism didn't see an avenue to sell adapters and ran with it.

>>128229879
Looks like a scream mask

>>128231004
>USB 1.0/2.0/3.0 Micro USB.....

>>128230774
Mixed systems such as the social market model are ideal.

>>128229187
why is the chinese and australian the same? are they already overrun?

>>128231192
RCDs belong in the power box, silly. No, just on/off switches for each plug.

>>128231231
>objective reasons
Convergent evolution doesn't always happen.

>>128231180
>Literally the insurance industry banding together and refusing to pay claims caused by non-Listed equipment.
But still private and still on the ball.

>Corporate lobby
ACS-spec reagents are the world's finest quality.

>Patent pool
Still private and still the largest adopted standard for digital images in the world.

>>128231286

*Australian one

Chinks copied us

>>128229187
Also, EE fag here....

From a safety standpoint, I'd throw out any plug that didn't have a ground pin. That means two of those die immediately.

Next I'd throw away any plugs that were achiral (Mexico, Lux) since they allow the plug to be reversed. Now with AC, it might not matter if the country's standard for electrictity distribution didn't have split-phase assumptions. But such a plug wouldn't give you the choice.

The Brit's plugs have some excellent safety features that prevent toddlers from digging into the socket with knives and whatnot.

Honestly, I like the Swiss plugs for their profile.

>>128231190
240Vac 50Hz is the standard voltage supplied to well over half of the outlets shown. That's the lamest argument ever.

If you don't use the North American one you are wrong. An entire continent trusts it therefore it must be good.

>>128231237

>When you want to go steal some shit but you can't because you spend all day waiting in a queue for the soup kitchen

>>128231180
>UL
>Literally the insurance industry banding together and refusing to pay claims caused by non-Listed equipment.
and? why the fuck werent you able to get listed? its not expensive and the tolerances are very straightforward? are you perhaps chinese?

>>128229187
denmark looks so happy :D

>>128230971
>The Japans are smart about building tech that can be used easily by the biggest market.
>Japan
>Smart
>no ground

>>128231357
We used it first. The British plug gained a lot of ground in china until they decided to standardise on the Australian plug.

>>128230774
100 years of crap planned society can.

Also, what is limited information and chaos theory? Cannot plan if you don't have a complete picture. Cannot plan if the system is inherently chaotic.

>>128229187
240/415 v 50 Hz master race reporting

>>128231411
>ACS-spec
What does that have to do with ACS membership? Anyone can manufacture to the spec if they happen to know it.
>Still private
>largest adopted standard for digital images
Explain GIF.

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>>128231322
This is actually a very common phobia, now there is a new layer to the fear of switches being left on knowing that a good portion of the world just has them on forever.

>>128231456

More people use the Australian one than any other, and it's used on an entire continent, plus you can turn the switch off saving you on bills

We truly are the master race

>>128231256
Most of those have three pronged connection, I believe this means they have a ground.

The other ones..... I dunno

>>128231451
how many phases?

>>128230934
UL isn't government-mandated. It's a consumer-assurance brand, at best.

You can freely buy and use non-UL certified gear.

>>128229187
Middle row three on the right. If you dont have these you're not white

>>128231180
>USB based off the FireWire IEEE 1394.

>>128229187

Denmark's looks happy.

Ours looks angry.

China/Aus looks terrified/wailing.

>>128230368
we can but we just don't

>>128231470
>not expensive
Ten copies of an item and five figures *every time* you introduce a design change? Are you high or do you just not believe that consumers should ever produce anything without daddy's spermission?

>>128229187
>ruskies and nips have no ground
lol wut

>>128229487
>All of North America using one unified plug.

Seems to be working fine to me. When will the rest of the world learn you can cut costs by promoting and using one global standard outlet.

>>128231336
backwards compatible you retard

>>128231336
You really want to stick with usb 1.0 at 480 mb/s as an argument against free market economics when we have 5 gb/s usb 3.0 in response to consumer demand for greater transfer rates?

>>128229187
french one looks dangerous

>>128231470
>not expensive
Nigga what? We just got quoted 90k for our product and when we failed the testing we just paid them 60k to pass anyways. Then its a year to year fee. UL is such a scam.

>>128231570
>Explain GIF.
Created by Compuserve. What about it? It's very lightweight and great for networks, thus making it useful for small website images. It wasn't invented by regulation. Its lasting power is due to there being no better replacement.

>>128231538
>100 years of crap planned society can

Not true. Stalin industrialized the USSR in an extraordinarily short period of time and Mao increased life expectancy and literary rates leaps and bounds above that of his predecessors.

Planned economies have been consistently more successful than market economies. Any failures you can point to, I can point to ten even worse failures in capitalist-based economies.

>Also, what is limited information and chaos theory? Cannot plan if you don't have a complete picture. Cannot plan if the system is inherently chaotic.

You're right. I can't make a grocery list or organize my desk because I don't have a complete quantum picture.

>>128231004
Try running an AC with this kek.

>>128231643
but all the best products are coincidentally UL listed?

>>128231509
Just theorizing here, maybe they don't have a ground so they can pack more sockets in. You don't need a ground for every application, plenty of modern electronic devices use those dc adapters and go sans-ground connection.

>>128230629

/thread.

>>128231720
Japanese plugs for larger machines have screw terminals for the ground. It's a strangely non-Japanese solution.

>>128231451

>>128231635
This is the correct question. How many phases is the correct question to ask. Current capacity is also important. Voltage is less-important than both.

Those Jap plugs would kill people if you tried them in the US.

>>128231635
240 v supply is single phase.. 415 three phase, but I've seen 42 v single phase ac control circuits on three phase units.. most common voltages in dc are 12 and 24, and ac circuits are generally 240/415 at 50 hz

Australia plug is the best plug hands down, followed by denmark plug and UK plug.
Japan plug is shit tier

>>128231703
>Ten copies of an item and five figures *every time* you introduce a design change?
what are you designing? And you arent asking anyones permission you are giving yourself reputation in the market

>>128231844
>Stalin industrialized the USSR in an extraordinarily short period of time and Mao increased life expectancy and literary rates leaps and bounds above that of his predecessors.

...And the human toll? That's the part you commie faggots like to ignore, because it suddenly throws a monkey wrench™ into your gears.

>>128231821
>when we failed the testing we just paid them 60k to pass anyway
did you just admit to fraud

>>128229187
Aren't electric plugs regulated by local laws?

>>128229187
The brazilian one was literally imposed by the government.

Alright let's get this shit started

NA>JPN>ITA>BR>RUS>NOR>GER>FRA>AUS>UK>IND>ISR

>>128231676
Your looks like a faggot with his mouth open ready for cock. More like a cock socket tbqh fäm

>>128231488
nobody is checking my 1488

you fucking cunts

>>128232045
Dude you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. For UL certs you need someone to write the documentation vague enough so you can umbrella multiple products or its a 50-100k to get anything modified.

Security products.

>>128231869
Well.... All the products made by companies that want a liability insurance break.

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=126215

But "best" depends on your value set.

>>128231635
I don't see any of them there being anything more than single-phase. Two-phase outlets are usually application-specific. Three-phase outlets are usually a separate standard entirely.
>>128231661
Nigger go read the USB spec and come back to me with an intelligent argument.
>>128231826
It was patent-protected and nobody had any interest in expanding it into a 24-bit color version. That's why hardly anyone used it for anything but animations until they could tell Unisys to piss up a rope.
>>128231881
It's only 100v. What need ground for?

>>128232120
He most certainly did.

>>128232091
Capitalism has an even worse human toll. It's horrendous at managing its own resources and frequently results in people dying of starvation or easily preventable diseases.

Why EU countries hav no grounder?
Also Denmarks is real cute. And Aussie plug is spooky.
>>128229724
I see some sockets like that on the outside of houses for certain large machines like bush trimmers.
>>128230256
>concerned
(You)

>>128230797
>But my North American outlets, now that is a complex expression.

they're tsundere for plug-kun

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>>128230401
found it, >>128230207 is a faggot

http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/thinking/1

>>128229879
>so good the chinks copy them
sorry, sweetie

>>128232236
Check digits

>>128232120
Oddly enough no, we fully documented and our lawyers got us reclassified to a passing UL standard that still got us though just for more money. UL man...

>>128232164
Here all domestic and industrial installations have to comply with ASNZ 3000, but there are other subsidiary rules for industry specific installations such as the marine industry, that needs to comp,y with 3000 and the NScV, section 5e, if memory serves

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I wish my plug looked this happy

>>128231128
Pretty sure their problem is
>non-white
No shit their plans are going to fail miserably.

>>128232293
>and frequently results in people dying of starvation or easily preventable diseases
No it doesn't.
They only people dying of this shit nowadays are low-IQ turds in "developing countries".
Here's a tip. The lower your IQ, in general, the more likely you are to die young or of preventable bullshit like scurvy.

>>128231811

how is having the ground protrude dangerous

>>128232301
The first two of thrww EU outlets have ground terminals. The first projects from the outlet and the second is on the edge of the recessed area. The third, well, fuck it, they're Russians, they're tough and know what they're getting into.

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>>128231238
>significant percentage
hahaha
>of their resources
hahahahaha
>privately owned

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>>128229187
Chinks have slant eye plugs

>>128232395
God damn, man....
UL wants to charge me ~$24k for a wearable Li-po powered device. They told me I can save 6k if I use a UL-approved battery.

Honestly, I like the idea of UL as long as it isn't mandated. It is, in my mind, the freest option that let people with no knowledge evaluate the risks of using devices that could easily kill them from a design oversight.

As the hardware enginner, I like someone to error-check my work. If it costs me $24k for the service, I'd rather pay it than kill someone on accident.

>>128229187
wow, nice exception

>>128229187
Meme issue for travelers that's easily solvable. Different countries have different energy output needs and uniformly standardizing them would be far more detrimental.

It does when it needs to. For example standard rail dimensions for trains and upc codes were established entirely without government intervention

>>128232706
Electrically-speaking: It isn't.

It might snag your pants if you pass too near. That's the worst thing I can see happening.

>>128229487
>Thats not what free marketeers believe, they believe free market competition is the best pricing mechanism.


Right. Plugs are regulated by ANSI and NEMA.

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How big are the plugs in those foreing places? UKs and Italy's looks huge, they look like you couldnt have one of these.

>>128229187

I think we're not discussing whats really important here...

Whats up with the Italian plug?

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>>128229187
Danish plug is the superior plug

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>>128232527
> put sharp metal objects into me!

> Don't worry, it'll be fun!

meanwhile in northern america:
> Don't even try it dumbass.

>>128232211
i think the chink/aus one is the worst desu

>>128233076
It's crap
>>128233129
It's happy but Japanese is the best.

>>128229187
The one in which you can put a fork easily should be the standard because it would also be a form of indirect eugenics.

>>128231357
YOU HAVE THE HAPPIEST ELECTRICAL OUTLETS !!!

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>>128230898
I bet those would look real comfy when polished up. What a shame.

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>all these other countries without switches on their sockets

YOU ARE BARBARIANS!

>>128233174
damn right.

>>128232814
My issue with UL is that it isn't about safety. They classify your product and force design's into it even if they do not apply. If UL was on the Glock they would have killed the product because of how few pieces it has.

We do millions of cycles for our own internal testing then after the product has been out for a few years some sites are requiring UL. The main thing we fail is when you bring our product to 300C and leave it their over a weekend. What the fuck is that shit?

>>128233298
60+ years ago, they were pretty nice looking.
Then HUD came along...

>>128233301
Paying more to a ugly witch that gives you extra work.

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>>128229187
>the market will balance itself
>if you violate the NAP, your enemies win

>>128231808
>You really want to stick with usb 1.0 at 480 mb/s
No but you'll really use USB's as an example to discredit the op's statement "The market can even standardize a simple plug."

>>128233183
>110 @ 60 Hz
Get fucked

>>128229187
china definitely dosnt have the same sockets as us, shitty chart, disregarded

inb4 austalia is china anyway

>>128232706
>how is having the ground protrude dangerous

It might snag your testicles and fry em into meatballs.

Path of least resistance, mate.

>>128233076
Someone said it, thank god.

Also, I'd have something to say about the flag, but desu Columbians speak the most beautiful Spanish (coming from a white guy, who speaks it as his second language.)

>>128233225
Japanese is basically the same as US, hue

>>128233466

>whilst doing nothing at all.

>>128232814
Also UL has nothing on CE certification for an American company. 15A forced through the ground plane will always cause fire if you put it on the right spot.

>>128229187
The point of the free market is competition to encourage innovation. We don't want standardization you dumb nigger.

>>128233563
You can fut more plugs on the same space in the Japanese model.

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>>128229187

>British parliamentary democracy
>English language
>English common law
>mfw Britannia doesn't rule the plug sockets

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>>128231004
hello

>>128231357
I like your plugs

>>128233709
Delet this

Brazil is a quite funny county, president's son brought most of plug company just before they changed to 3 holes.

>>128233709
BLEACHED

>>128232211
The UK has the best plugs in the world and I have evidence to back it up.
https://www.fastcodesign.com/3032807/why-england-has-the-best-wall-sockets-on-earth

>>128233509
ive been to chinkland and they look did look like that.

>>128231004
I mean u still need to plug the thing into a computer which in turn plugs into a wall socket

>>128231591
Bc china

>>128233850
That site is like a cigar company speaking about lung cancer.

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>>128233850
>IN the world
>ON earth
Fuck off christcuck

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>>128233889
u fokin w9t n7

>>128233996
???

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>>128229187
>The market can even standardize a simple plug.

Yep, just like this.

I don't care what anyone says, if you feed your butthole with 3-phase power it's gonna hurt.

>>128231844
Mao increased life expectancy
>The most murderous regime in history

Literary rates increased under Mao
>The Red Guard


Good bait.

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>>128233996
hooooooly shit, leaf.

>>128234096
>2017
>not knowing what the world look like

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>>128231256
>Indeed, electrical outlets in Japanese residences are not grounded. When an appliance like an air conditioner is installed, special grouding must be done for outlet. In that sense, Japanese electrical outlets are like most U.S. electrical outlets before the 1970s, when grounded outlets became the standard under electrical codes.

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>>128233649
Who the fuck are you and who are you speaking for, you fucking leaf? People have to USE this shit.

>>128234072
It needs to be upside down in the southern hemisphere, retard.

Whats really crazy is the 50/60 Hz geographic divide in Japan. Over a century ago (1895) the Japs bought generators from the Krauts (AEG) and us Burgers (General Electric) which operated at different frequencies. Thus, to this day there remains an East/West line frequency "dateline" - must make for interesting issues with stuff sensitive to this.

>>128234072
it was in 2010.
i remember seeing them and remember joking that maybe for them the holes arent slanted.

>>128234123
3-phase is standard in all new buildings here since the 70's.

>>128233850
We have the same thing - fuse in the plug itself is pointless when you have circuit breakers protecting every circuit

- we have the longer ground pin
- retard proof plugs, can't stick objects into the live slot

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>>128233630
lol, I've not been around the block once with them yet. You might have saved me some money by preping me up-front as you just did. So thanks for that, bro.

I know they give design recommendations, but I can't see how making a thing more complicated does much more than complicate analysis. Maybe that's the point you are driving at...

Also, I'm a one-man operation. So unlike you, I have no peers that have seen these pixels before.

>>128234256
Australia is 6000 years old

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trust the fake jews to have a crooked plug. kek

>>128234145
>Mao increased life expectancy

For those he didn't murder.

>>128229187
Power connect comes from government regulation over free market.

Free market would make international standards to allow sell in whole world, like IEEE has made it.

>>128234263

Validated.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2011/07/19/reference/japans-incompatible-power-grids/#.WTI1kXb6xGo

Holy fuck, what a nightmare.

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>>128233062
We just rotate the sockets 90 degrees

>>128234113
ive never found one of those that isnt total fucking garbage.

>>128234263
Not a problem in Japan, they don't make stuff sensitive to that.

>>128229187
Is Demnark trying to cook kids or what?

>not using bare copper wire

plugs are for the uninitiated

>>128234322
>3-phase is standard in all new buildings here since the 70's.

Why do you need it in your house?

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>>128234519
indersding

>>128234322
Really? As in 120 degree phase separation? Noice.
>>128234604
So, variable frequency drives or just dc motors in all the thing?

>>128234333
CE largely depends on what you are doing. They are becoming bigger bitches with RF and I don't even want to think about the BT 5.0 stuff we are going to be doing next year.

The trick is to make good with the people doing the cert and answer them directly. They are going to want to look at everything under your skirt and materials especially.

If you piss them off though they will totally fuck you. TUV were good guy they just cost a bunch.

>>128229879
Um, sorry sweety, just because your jealous doesn't mean you can trash talk our superior plug, ok hun? :)

>>128234726
Gov should take care of it's kids.

>>128234726
One would suspect that the building feed is three phase, and that they share phases between units/apartments. I've never seen a three phase domestic appliance such as a kettle, tv etc.

>>128229187
What a cuck. Seriously just kill yourself. You think the ussr and china used the same plugs? Just face the fact that you will always be a loser

>>128234726
Coking ranges, washers and driers.

400V means a lot less current needed for the same power.

>>128231584
Now that's a hell of a redundancy.
I don't hate it.

>>128229986
Ground is useless saftey bushit that steals 50% of your power

>>128234209
Go away james.

>>128234848
Does EU have module certification like FCC does?

>>128235002
What? WHAT? WHAT THE LITERAL FUCK ARE YOU EVEN! That's not how power works. A ground connection is always useful if only for a Transorb diode to safely protest on ESD.

>>128234928
>One would suspect that the building feed is three phase, and that they share phases between units/apartments.

He said all buildings. A house is a building.

>>128229187
>China the same as Australia
Surprise surprise

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>>128233431
They were glorious, well-kept WHITE working class neighborhoods. Immigrants even (Poles, Irish, Italian).

This is of course, BEFORE the government took action......

>>128235002
Cut off the ground pin on your mobility scooter and let us know how it works out.

>>128234549
Ours are rotated 90 degrees too, but those are still fuckhuge.

>>128235214
My Great Great Grandfather founded Southern California Edison
I think know a little about electricity

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>>128234848
This is why I love this board. I never know what crazy shit I'll learn. Thanks again! :-)

Here is the thing I've been asking them about:
https://hackaday.io/project/1972-digitabulum-the-last-motion-capture-glove

>>128235290
Brazil don't use ground and we don't have a problem with domestic fire, bullshit for me.

>>128233996
Autism.

>>128235184
Yes but it is fucking me right now. The market want to go module cert but they way they do it is fucked up. Basically you can be classified as a module but CE can also make you get fully re-certed if they say you are using it in a different enough manor. So for RF that can mean just changing the housing thus changing the RF attunement. For mechanical I think they are a bit nicer. Power supplies iv seen them go both ways.

>>128235449
Yes, but that's different. You guys can walk and think at the same time. Burgerbux up there is just shitposting.

>>128235235
Correct. And by feeding all three phases it keeps down the current on the neutral wire, which in turns keep the voltage on the neutral close to zero.

The neutral is almost always off from zero due to wiring resistance.

>>128234974
>Coking ranges, washers and driers.

Show me the specs for a 3-phase residential appliance. It's possible, but I doubt it.

All three phase motors? Even for the tumbler in your clothes dryer? Three heating element per appliance?

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>>128231238
>Venezuela isn't a planned economy, dingus.
>A significant percentage of their resources are privately owned and the nationalized resources are still run according to market economics.

That was a staggering amount of lies, posted in one small concise post. For a Libtard liar, you are exceptional.

Since you love planned economies so much, why don't you move to your land of abundance? Your Utopia on Earth Venezuela? All of your dreams and ideals are come true in one happy country/

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>>128231676
>>128232301
>spooky

>>128235559
>Correct. And by feeding all three phases it keeps down the current on the neutral wire

You can do that just as easy on a single phase system.

>>128235449
Ground pins are to protect you from getting electrocuted, not to protect from fire.

>>128235747
Three phase system reduce currency and make wires less likely to get on fire.

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>>128231237
It's bad bro.

1. Start with a nation full of fertile soil and abundant oil wealth underground.
2. Add Socialism and planned economy.
3. Suffer!!

Why did Bernie Sanders even bother to run for president in the awful starving USA? Why didn't he escape to Socialist Utopia Venezuela?

>>128229187
Umm remind me again, who regulates how plugs look again?

>>128235869
>Three phase system reduce currency and make wires less likely to get on fire.

Only if you connect three phase loads to them.

>>128235389
Nice. I'v done work on PIC, MSP430, and ARM M0 processors. Do you know what kind you are using?

>>128235512
Oh, I mean that you could maybe buy a module that has the whole RF path onboard and is certified as an RF module. Then you just print "CONTAINS MODULE" and the FCC ID of the module on the bottom, and as long as you can self-certify on other intentional or non-intentional radiation and separate all transmitters by 8" or more, you're golden. So CE allows for that but also dictates how you use it? Gross.

>>128231619
he was obviously talking about the 2 pronged ones you retard. Fucking burgers think their opinion is always important.

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>>128235449
ah yes Brazil, the best designed power grids in the world.

>>128229187

>all 50 states in the USA use the same plug to show we know what the fuck we're doing
>every nation in Europe uses different plug because they all are retarded but think they have the best system

Eurofags BTFO forever.

>>128235854
They are protection from devices getting too much current at once, whats causes fire.
>>128235993
And why we aren't doing this.

>>128235559
I've never heard of this. There is no point in 3-phase power unless you swedes are all running huge industrial induction loads in your basements.

You might be confused by the three lines that run to your house.

>>128236097
>And why we aren't doing this.

Because most loads are single phase. Line to neutral or line to line.

>>128229879
Using an adapter:
>Use a Australian appliance in a yank socket = no worries
> Use a Yank appliance in an Australian socket = need a surge protector.

Feel our power yanks.

>>128236088
Brazil power grid is one of the best in world, when they build it in the 80's it was done to least 80 years without reforms, power lines are over-sized and we ave to sell extra power to neighbors.

>>128236096
And
>America is 50% white

>>128235579
Here: https://www.elgiganten.se/product/vitvaror/spis/EKC6051BOW400/electrolux-inspiration-spis-ekc6051bow400

Free markets whenever possible, regulate when necessary. Market fundamentalists are stupid and central planning is way less efficient at allocating resources. Bring balance to the force

>>128236059
Please explain to me what a dickless canuck knows about having a third prong. Go back to making my maple syrup.

>>128235559
you fjordniggers have 3-phase power ran into your houses?

why don't you all have old machinery then?

>>128236020
I've implemented the software on an STM32F4, STM32F7, ESP32, and vanilla linux.

ESP32 is a crazy fukin' proc for the cost. I'll be using it lots more. It has a proper MMU, and (apart from the fixable memory limit) I see no reason it can't run linux.

>>128231444


>>128231509
>>128235854
>>128235214
>>128233532
>>128232731
>>128231911
>>128231881
Why would you remove the ground?

>>128229187
Give it some time, they're going to come up with a universal socket, it's part of the new world order and will have built in cameras and gps.

>>128236097
You mix up fuse with ground wire.

>>128236581
You wouldn't

>>128236166
We run 5 wires, 3 phases, neutral and ground.

>>128233129
Does it have three pins?

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>CD format
>DVD format
>bluray format
>vhs format
so are you people just retarded or what

>>128236166
>>128236707
What about the massive amount of wasted power-line necessary to run 3-phase everywhere?

>>128236559
Old machinery?

>>128235993
You can also distribute all the loads in the building across the phases.
>>128236847
If I understand correctly, the wires can be thinner. Also eliminates 3ph-1ph low-voltage step down transformers.

>>128236363


I can't read that but I'll have you know that single phase derived from a three phase system has the same nominal voltage.

>>128233471
I will take what is FireWire, Thunderbolt and eSATA for $100, Alex.

>>128236847
Not everywhere, but it requires less wiring area so the end result is more efficient.

>>128229187
cost of overhauling the outlets in the homes and workplaces of several billion people is greater than just making different plugs.

>>128229187
>government regulations force plug size
GUYS THE FREE MARKET SCREWED EVERYTHING UP.

>>128236581
>Why would you remove the ground?

So you can jamb it straight into your nutsack.

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>>128229187
i can't be the only one to see it

>>128236707
Do you live on a farm? I can't see the logic in running 3-phase to a household unless they are using heavy 3 pole motors.

>>128236707
>We run 5 wires, 3 phases, neutral and ground.

to your dishwasher?

>>128237022
No, you have 400V between the phases but 230V to ground from each phase. This since it's 120 degrees between the phases.

Pretty simple and efficient once you learn how it works.

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>>128236962
>Also eliminates 3ph-1ph low-voltage step down transformers.

You don't need a transformer to get single phase from a three phase system.

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>>128236753
>forgets Laserdisc
unforgivable

>>128230629

This.

>>128236962
>You can also distribute all the loads in the building across the phases.

Seems like a needless complication.

>>128229879
its just their way of making sure you dont plug AC appliances in backwards.

in north america we have the one prong that is bigger than the other.

>>128236707
>I have a three phase vacuum cleaner
>Motherfucker will rip your dick off

>>128236581
If the device your using is properly insulated or shielded it is not always necessary.

If it comes with a third prong only a moron would remove it. If it dose not have one, chances are you don't need it.

>>128237380
>No, you have 400V between the phases but 230V to ground from each phase.


No. Single phase is line to line or line to neutral.

Line to line is 400v

Line to neutral is 230v

>>128233914
Nah m8, I've seen several Tim Hortons and McDonalds and other cafes that have wall mounted USB sockets in addition to the standard plug.

>>128237479
unless you need 3-phase power

now billy böb fjordnigger can run old machinery without a phase converter or paying the electric company $100,000 to run more wire to his house

>>128236581
They don't. They just don't bother installing one in the first place. Save money I assume.

>>128237380
>Pretty simple and efficient once you learn how it works.

Now you're making me laugh

>>128237685

You think "old machinery" is three phase?

>>128237685
Why would you install 3 phase everywhere for that half of a percent that might want it in their home?

>>128237685
Power companies here only provides 3-phase power, never 1-phase power.

>>128237944
>>128237929
>>128237860
at the cost of running more wire to begin with

>>128237860
every industrial motor made in the last 80+ years is 3-phase

>>128237669
you can buy them at any hardware store around here

>>128237135
>what are 50 cent cheater plugs
>>128237408
I meant at the 6k-25k to mains transformation. In the US we balance phases at the pole.
>>128237479
In the US, that's already done across two phases. Needful only because we still have legacy 120V crap everywhere.

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I miss the days when men were men, and turning shit on or off was an exercise in cheating death.

>>128237929
Because power companies want a balanced load on all three phases. If a single home is on only one phase it may upset the balance on the grid.

>>128237944


So you guys feed your dishwashers with 4 conductors?

>>128229187
Russian, German and French pattern of sockets is interchangeable. Most plugs fit to all of them, it's just that with Russian one you won't ground your device. Which is literally a non-issue since majority of installations in countries that use those sockets only have 4 wires - 3 phases and neutral. No ground/protection one, so if you want to really have a semblance of a ground in those installations all you can do is to bridge the ground prong with neutral.

Also those standards are state-regulated.

If you want a real shitshow - look at Japanese energetic system. There are regions where houses have 110V/60Hz and 230/50Hz, as a result most electronic devices have converters bundled with them.

>>128229187

>tfw no happy socket

>>128238094
>every industrial motor made in the last 80+ years is 3-phase


Bullshit. I've fed hundreds of single phase motors for industrial applications.

>>128238055
Only to the appliances that needs them, and the wires will be thinner so the cost will be the same overall as for a single phase solution where thicker wires would be needed.

>>128235002
Gr8 b8 m8 8/8.

Ground connecter is used to safely conduct fault currents, and only then.
And, before anyone asks why some devices have only two prongs, it's allowed when the tool is double insulated.
Just to tell a story... Power in Glorious Deutschland is 50Hz, 220VAC. American GI's brought their record players with them when they'd get stationed there. A transformer could be bought at the PX, but that doesn't change the 50Hz. So when GI's would play their records in Germany, the music would be slower by about 15%. This is because record players have synchronous motors that rotate based on the frequency of power from the mains. Pretty funny, methinks. Some applications you need correct voltage and frequency.

>>128230850
>all fruits of your labor r belong to us

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>>128229879

>not using muscular 240vac

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>>128231231
Yea maybe you can come up with them
240v
120v
which one you stick your dick in
america HAS both, on differnt lines. different plugins
i dont know why everyone doenst just use USA plugs

>>128238140
>I meant at the 6k-25k to mains transformation. In the US we balance phases at the pole.

Do you mean kVA? Or kilovolts?

>>128238224
Usualy not dishwashers, but cooking rangers, clothes washers and driers are often fed by 5 wires; 3 phases, neutral and ground.

>>128238364
What's the biggest? I heard utilities get pissed off if you connect anything more than a small motor ( 2HP? 5HP?) to a single phase line.

>>128238648
kV, sorry.

>>128230023

No we don't. That is an Australian innovation where you can flick the switch and don't have to unplug the device or cover it because all power from the outlet is cutoff. Its quite nifty for say PC setups or entertainment units. Everyone else has some serious safety issues with theirs...

>>128233914
USB is the product of the free market dipshit.
Went right over your head

>>128238211
>If a single home is on only one phase it may upset the balance on the grid.

Not if your neighbors balance it out with single phase systems that are derived from the same 3-phase transformer.

>>128230207

China bought the license to our design mate. You would be shocked how many things Australian's have invented and pioneered.

>>128229187
And? Change the plug on your laptop and it will work in any of those.

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>>128238823
>You would be shocked how many things Australian's have invented and pioneered.

>>128229187
But is having a standardized plug your fundamental right?

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If this chart is true then why does nothing i buy from china come with a compatible plug.

>>128238746
>free market
>still need a license to use the logo
>which is still better than SD cards which are sparsely documented without paying a fee
>and don't get me started on ASC X12 EDI
>or GSM air protocols

>>128230774
You can't predict supply and demand therefore planning economies tend to result in lack of innovation(SPACE PROGRAMS DON'T NEED NO COMPUTERS!) and unbalanced production - USSR and communist states are known fro lack of basic consumer goods in shops in the late 70's and 80's, but little is known that they've had gigantic overproduction of steel and concrete that kinda laid down in warehouses for years.

When it came to more elaborate consumer goods it was even worse - let's say you wanted a car. You kinda "signed up" in a queue which allowed you to pay for one after some time, in Poland it was about 7 years. Yes. 7 fucking years just so you can pay for a car you want to have and it was usually the same shitty car everybody else had with no changes over the decades. Same applied to flats btw. I wonder how your American lifestyle would adapt to these hmmm... limitations.

>>128238717

In the US that's not true.
There are at least hundreds of thousands of single-phase transformers with higher than 6 kilovolt primaries.

>>128238817
Only if you trust that the neighbors have the same usage pattern as you do. But that's rarely the case.

>>128231322

You should. Mains power supply is open and running through the outlet with nothing plugged into it. This is how house fires start and children electrocute themselves.

>>128238954
There are plenty of open source connectors and standardizations.
Linux, HTML, RSS to name a few.

You don't need external regulation for these things.

>>128231584
no it's not.
if it plugs in it means to be turned off it will have a switch on the machine

if switches are put on every wall socket, someones gonina push them, turn off whatever is plugged in. power doesnt need switches thats breakers your putting breakers, everywehre which is stupid.

they do the same thign and you cant seperate out their jobs functions for STUPID IDIOT SHIT look at athat death waiting to happen

>>128238653
>cooking rangers, clothes washers and driers are often fed by 5 wires; 3 phases, neutral and ground.

Needlessly complicated.

No reason for a neutral, to say the least.