I researched global warming for an idiotic environmental elective

>>128168394
All you got to do is look who's pushing it, and what they do.

Al Gore, flies around preaching about global warming, in his private jet. The irony.

>>128168394
If global warming doesn't exist then why is it hotter in July

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>>128168394
If I'm not mistaken, global warming is a stone-throw away from photosynthesis, which is not a theory, or even remotely difficult to comprehend.

>>128168394

Which do you think is more likely:

All climate scientists being bought out to push a hoax and all the countries in the world falling for it

or

Global warming exists

>>128168394
>hey the global warming can possibly be fake
>let's start heavy polluting again until it will be a real thing and not reversible

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>>128168394

In the mediaeval age, England was so hot that there were some fifty vineyards in the south of England.

In the Victorian age, it was so cold that people used to go ice skating on the River Thames.

The temperature today does not come close to either of these two extremes, and, if CO2 emissions were responsible for global warming, one would expect the mediaeval period to be the cold one, and the Victorian one, the hot one; whereas the truth is directly the opposite of this.

Donald Trump does not care about science people.

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>>128168394

"Climate change predictions have been wrong for decades. Let’s look at some. At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.” C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.” In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich predicted that there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and that “in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people (would) starve to death.” Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989 and that by 1999, the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich’s predictions about England were gloomier. He said, “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

In 1970, Harvard University biologist George Wald predicted, “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” Sen. Gaylord Nelson, in Look magazine in April 1970, said that by 1995, “somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals (would) be extinct.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/03/walter-e-williams/global-warming-lies/

>>128169381
or

uneducated morons on the internet being wrong*

Fixed that post.

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>>128169104
Facts are facts

>>128169381

The "99% of scientists" statistic is completely fabricated. They bring it up at the very start of the excellent film "The Great Global Warming Swindle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-m09lKtYT4

>>128169599
oh god please not that movie

Why don't my prayers just fix global warming?

>>128168394
also WTF are you really trying to discuss anything that requires scientifical analysis to be cleared with 4chan edgelords?
KYS

>>128169381

Kindly provide me with a global list of names, of the alleged 97% of scientists who found consensus on the topic.

Just so you know, heating trends exist but the global warming theorem touted by the Left is junk science.

>>128169767

I am arguing the apocalyptic scenarios are just fearmongering tactics by the Left/Green parties to set up a global socialist economy. The money the US invested in the Paris was a complete waste.

>>128168394
>30 mins of google research means im smarter than the scientific consensus on climate change!
>actually submitting it and expecting an A
>being this retarded
the only uni you qualify for is Trump Uni

>>128172962

Scientific concensus. Lol dumb fuck

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>>128169381
By all you mean 75

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>>128173830
>77 climate scientists
>75 climate scientists answering Yes

what's that in percent?

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>>128168394
hahahaha you have no place in the field of science, fucking retard
Literally conspiracy fed dumbfuck going on thinking he has the brainpower to be unbiased and "debunk" global warming
You are deluded and you deserve that D, fag

Truth is, if you made your thesis about the questions and many paradoxes regarding global warming and not about how you're right and everyone else is wrong because you read something online, you'd have passed easily

I hope you're trolling cunt

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>>128171684
Here's why the Paris accord is total bullshit

>>128172962
Consensus isn't science you retarded faggot

>>128174046
There were 10,000 plus scientists polled. 77 out of 10,000

>>128168394
Now you know it's a religion, and that they consider you an heretic.

>>128168918
Its funny the few people I know that shill for global warming made fun of some old Republican for saying it still snowed and then turned around and said the proof is that it was a hot winter for a few weeks.

>>128169144
It's a stone's throw away from phrenology.

>>128169381
Scientists shilling for global climate change bux is the obvious and simplest answer.

>>128174108

Uh oh. Triggered Liberal French Fag. The religion of global warming where belief trumps empirical data.

You dumb fuck.

>>128174358
and only 77 of those were actual experts
what expertise would a structural geologist, mineralogist or groundwater hydrologist have on the climate any more than your barber does?

>>128168394
You're exactly right. We need to notate and keep track of all the common arguments against it. My bet is something that is feelings based will attempt to be used against you by people that just listen to others.

>>128173396
Scientific consensus is a cursed term, anti-science. It establishes scientists as a priest class and stifles the main driver of scientific progress, skepticism. Appeals to authority have no place in science.

>>128174700
There are no expert climatologists. None.

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>>128168394
>act like an edgy retard
>get a d-

aahahah get fucked you edgelord

>>128174499

Proud heretic.

>>128174912
I guess all those climatology papers just materialize out of thin air then

>>128174686
You are a joke
And you're delusional, you got a D because you're shit, not because there's a global warming conspiracy
Whatever you're trying to prove or disprove, the scientific method is what it is, ignoring huge chunks of it to fit your dreamland view is bullshit

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>>128169381
I don't know, you tell me. The vast vast majority of all psychologists and biologists claim there is no fundamental difference between men and women. And yet, they are blatantly wrong and refuse to admit it.
http://archive.is/dBehg
Pic and essay related. And I can come up with even dumber experiments. I can also prove the fundamental difference between human races if you want.

>>128174736

There is no place for scientific concensus. It is either you have proof or you don't.

Global warming activists and their claims are baseless.

>>128175123
Explain the huge chunks hes ignoring or the proof you're right. Or do you just repeat what you've heard and want that sweet US gibs?

>>128169144
Spoken like a true nonbiologist. Photosynthesis is incredibly complicated and we don't really understand how the electrons are transported at the speeds they are through the pathway to excite the dyes. We have theories, but because we can't effectively track all of the moving parts it is hard to nail down the exact mechanism.

What it is, is that carbon-dioxide (co2) is a so-called 'greenhouse gas'. It holds heat. You can demonstrate this under lab conditions. It's irrefutable. So, it makes sense that, if we continually pump ever increasing amounts of co2 into the atmosphere, the atmosphere is gonna hold ever increasing amounts of heat. This is what is meant by the term 'global warming'.

>>128168831
All you got to do is look who's against it, and what they do.

>>128176228
Well, it is not that simple. So it gets a bit more warm. Now there starts to grow plants in Siberia, which absorbs co2, causing it to cool down a bit more. It's incredibly complicated.

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>>128175123

I go by empirical data. In the last 100 years, the early 30's were hotter than it was today. Then it was during the Roman era. The thing is, because you're a mindless French croissant eating faggot who elected Macron, you don't realize the simplest of things:

Check out image

>>128176228
>The earth is an extremely simple closed system and no organisms utilize co2 and I can prove that the heat retention of co2 means the earth will be destroyed

>>128176532

However, it is irrefutable that increasing amounts of atmospheric co2 causes warming.

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>>128176630
>the early 30's were hotter than it was today
what the hell are you talking about?

>>128176228

1/3 of carbon emissions comes from growing crops.

Should we starve to death?

Genius

>>128176984
Data was fudged.

>>128176804
It actually doesn't necessarily so you should maybe think a bit harder. In theory in your simple minded closed basic system, yes. It doesn't work like that though and i thought you types were supposed to be all about science.

Who gains from pushing a false climate change narrative?

>>128169381

name 5 movies where this happens

>>128177300
>LOL you have no evidence
>LOL this is false evidence
>lalalalalaalala cant hear you lalalaal the joos lalaaal

top kek

>>128176804
No. It is irrefutable that doing it in a lab does it. I just explained with a simple example. Yes sure, at first it might get a bit more warm, but you can't predict the long term effects. The fact is, both the polars can melt and nothing serious will happen. The co2 can rise and rise, and there will still be a rich plant and animal life on earth. The co2 has been way higher in the past, and life did just fine.
If the co2 causes a slight increase in tempature, it means that areas that were desolate because full of plants. It means places that used to have x amounts of plants will have x+y amounts of plants. This can in turn cause the tempature to drop. So in what timeline are we talking when you say it is irrefutable?

>>128177300
that's very convenient for you
you don't have to think about your position at all. All you have to do is sit in your arm chair and dismiss everything that contradicts you with reference to an ever expanding conspiracy of scientists

you can call that what you want, but it sure is neither science nor rational discourse

>>128177463

Globalists who want to set a socialist economy. Basically

>>128177789
As opposed to gas and oil companies who want a monopoly?

What's the difference?

>>128177741

I can't argue with Germans or respect them. You went from a proud nation to a cuckold-like state where bulldog dyke Merkel sucks on Erdogan cock and muslims rape your young women.

Then you have the gall to argue about rationality.

>>128176440
You aren't making any sense.

If I were really concerned about something I wouldn't indulge in the very things that I believed to be the cause..

>>128178008

Socialism doesn't work whereas monopolies are for profit.

Socialism ties into Communism. Communism lead to the biggest catastrophes of our age.

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As Scott Adams says, climate models are just as accurate as economic models.

As everyone that has dealt with money knows, economic predictions are always bullshit. And yet people make a lot of money trying to predict the markets, because we are very vulnerable to them.

No climate scientist would admit that the models are all wrong.
Not because of a global conspiracy, but because they would be out of a job.

It would be like a pastor claiming "God isn't real and the bible is nonsense full of contradictions, but please keep donating to the church".

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>>128177664
normally, controlled experiments don't exist in nature but here history was kind enough to set one up for us:
55 million years ago, an amount of carbon roughly equivalent to all the world's oil reserves gets injected into the atmosphere during the course of a few thousand years.

In response, temperatures rise by ~5°C, ocean sediments turn black due to ocean acidification, there is evidence for massively increased precipitation (and thus increased continental output of erosion products), mass extinction of forams, local extinction and turnover of plant genera, sharply increased and diversified insect herbivory damage on plants and terrestrial ecosystems getting kicked around with continent-scale migration of animals

Oy vey!! The carbon!!
Instead of planting trees and protecting wild places, just shut down your entire manufacturing sector and outsource it to China (who totally doesn't pollute!!) Import millions of third worlders into your countries so they can destroy your natural places and breed like rats (because "racial justice" is a form of environmentalism, goy.) Make unilateral concessions to the advantage of third world shitholes filled with military ambition! It's the Kosher thing to do. Remember - it's not real environmentalism unless it negatively impacts the white working class.

>>128178127
I honestly didn't expect anything more of a response from you

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>>128168394
Sure thing leaf. Here's the deal: we are in a general warming trend due to Milkanovich cycles. This is natural. However there are smaller cycles within the larger one, due to small variances in how much solar energy earth receives. At this point the earth should be cooling because solar output is decreasing slightly. However, temperature is actually increasing, despite what the microcycles say should happen. This coincides with an increase in global co2 due to human emissions.

HOWEVER what matters more IMO are things like deforestation and ocean acidification, both which play a part in global warming. Ocean acidification is destroying biodiversity and damaging fishing economies around the world. Deforestation is causing less co2 to be absorbed and creating a host of local problems for ecosystems and human economies.

Honestly, it's a sad truth /pol/ is mostly suburban teenagers who don't care about things like nature or the environment. If you want to live a sterile, urban existence that's fine, but there are those of us who value or nation's forests and land and want to protect it for generations to come.

It's almost like you guys have never been hunting or camping and can't appreciate the beauty of nature, and for that I pity you

>>128168394
Honestly it would have been nice if you went to class with a gun and murdered your professor and then raped her dead body. Then took a shit in her dead mouth

>>128168394
>>128176804
And noone serious talks about global warming as in "yes yes it will get 50 degrees in the antarctic lol"...The whole thing is called "climate change" because we cant really tell what is gonna happen if e.g. the gulf stream stops or the gas ice on the ocean ground starts melting. Why are you fuckers always puling the "look outside, its snowing" bullshit to "refute" climate change

>>128178925
Absolutely correct

Local weather predictions are more or less reliable up to 9 days in advance only (Source: Nate Silver, The Signal and the Noise).

So why should macro model forecasting climate in 2030 or 2100 be given any credibility?

>>128178769
So why didn't that blow up the earth like global warmingists complain

>>128178769
What does carbon have to do with carbondioxid? I'm no expert, so explain that please. Also, are we talking about the comet that hid the earth and killed the dinosaurs?

>>128177664

I didn't say anything about plants. I simply stated the fact pumping co2 into the atmosphere causes it to warm.

>>128176984

>Global Average Temperature

does this include ocean surface temperatures?

is this "adjusted" for rural ambient temperatures?

>>128178996

Go back to being a dumb muslim apologist when they rape your women, environmental fags that believe anything that repulsive incompetent lesbian troglodyte merkel says and best of all, being so PC about migrants.

If you don't have common sense in any of this, how can you be expected to have some with the topic of alleged global warming?

>>128179514
>I simply stated the fact pumping co2 into the atmosphere causes it to warm.
IN WHAT TIMELINE FUCKFACE?

>>128178468
Which is what? I mean I dont like communism but what is by your standard the biggest catastrophe of out age?

Besides, one thing that puzzles me is how we assume that White people (who wouldn't be affected at all if the sea level rose a bit) should sacrifice their living standards and jobs so that some shit-ridden islands full of poo-in-the-loos don't disappear? Temperatures were hotter in the Medieval Warm Period, yet nobody at the time mentioned "the climate" as a big concern.

>>128179161
I am aware of some of he problems but the solutions put forth to us are stated here >>128178925 do you not see that? You can't make fun of edgy teenagers living in cities while completely ignoring the non solution that is essentially wealth redistribution and shipping jobs to countries that pollute even more.

>>128175240
Are you talking about ones that are credible or ones that aren't?
It doesn't really matter.
Even if we ignore the rising atmosphereic and ocean temperatures, increasing ocean acidity, the changes in maps worldwide over the last couple of years regarding the poles, the fact that the governments can't afford to wast their time and money on a conspearisy this massive without fucking up eventualy in such a way that /pol/ would end up being more fittingly home to those who support climate change than deny it, and the lack of any solids to make up a North Pole land mass.

Ignoring all of this, we cannot deny that the calculations and theory's hold ground.
None but the arrogant can deny that in principle, this is 100% possible even if limited to only what is present on our planet.
We even have physical proof that the consept of extreme climate change is fully possible; Venus Likely lacked an atmospheric balancer, and the volcanic activity of the planet did the rest.

I say it would be wise to address these things before they take hold, rather than after.

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>>128179484
"carbon" is just short for carbon-based GHGs, (ostensibly CO2 and CH4).

>are we talking about the comet that hid the earth and killed the dinosaurs?
no, that happened 65 million years ago. What I'm talking about is a prominent event 55 million years ago. It's called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) if you want to look it up.

>>128176440
>look who's against it
trump
>and what they do.
first president with no lobbyists in the cabinet

>>128168394
It sounds like you made your conclusion before you even started researching. I can bet that all you did was look at climate data (or most likely conservative blog posts butchering the interpretation of said data) and then just said it was all made up, because muh socialism.

>>128168394
Wow, you're a real live fucking retard larper

>>128180010
>Are you talking about ones that are credible or ones that aren't?
We are talking about the credible ones, the vast vast vast majority that teaches in public schools, highschools and universities that there is no difference.>>128180010
>It doesn't really matter
It matters when people keep refering to authorities in this case. So fuck of.

>>128180207
>I can bet that all you did
but you cant apply this process to someone who wont get any grant money if they dont claim warming

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Idiots.

>>128179526
>does this include ocean surface temperatures?
yes, it's the globally averaged annual temperature anomaly over land and ocean

>is this "adjusted" for rural ambient temperatures?
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean with that

>>128179409
lol...
We cant predict where an electron will go...why does my oven even work

>>128180523
they're all clearly paid off

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>>128180523
>Peer reviewed

Do you still believe in Santa?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_affair

>>128179849
No...nobody did mention it...keep living in your little dream wonderland and ignore all the sources stating how people had fucking harsh winters and shit...

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>>128179484
>What does carbon have to do with carbondioxid?

>Carbon
>Dioxide

>>128176030
Seriously crazy thing we all take for granted. How the fuck did plants end up with the ability to use sunlight to get energy out of raw materials? Blows my mind when I think about it.

>>128179161

When carbon dioxide dissolves in water, it makes that water acidic. And as CO2levels rise in the atmosphere they rise in the oceans too. This could be a problem for creatures like oysters that have shells made of calcium carbonate, a chemical which tends to dissolve in acid.

Acidification of oceans on marine life aftereffects are as of yet unknown.

>>128176784
keked.

>>128179230

You assume my professor was worth the effort. They weren't.

I did however mock their defend the whales campaign he was part of and laughed at him more than once when it was obvious my grades would be impacted by going against his religious belief of global warming.

>>128180028
But your chart has no reference to co2.
It has.
Carbon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9418O
Calcium carbonate
You show me a graph without co2?>>128180028
>"carbon" is just short for carbon-based GHGs,
No it is not.

>>128168394
In other words, "they'll think of something" as a policy prescription.
You should have gotten worse.

>>128179276

It is satire you dumb cuck.

>>128174046
You should have asked what the question was.

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>>128180523
I hate retarded "charts" like this. Have you even read single one of those white papers? No? Also all it literally takes is one person who is right now matter how many were wrong before, why is this a fucking argument. My god you are so fucking brainwashed. Even if it was true you dont rely on others you god damn moron.

>>128180617

NOAA, in particular, claim they adjust for the expansion of urban areas through some secret algorithm, when anyone can look at rural ambient temperatures as have been noted for the last 200 years in America through almanacs and academia. There is no appreciable difference in the rural ambient temperatures in America over 200 years. So why does their special algorithms detect a steady heat increase where none exist? This is partly what NOAA have been caught fudging, or at least accused of fudging, the other things they've been accused of I'm not privy to, what I do know is I have yet to hear an adequate explanation to how we (Americans) are causing something that we can't measure on the ground, but some eggheads in a lab are able to see with their secret maths.

>>128181693
what?

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>>128168831
>All you got to do is look who's pushing it, and what they do.
This is exactly the point you moron. This is why people who have looked at the evidence and decided climate change is happening have no respect for your opinion.

You don't understand the science. You just took one look at the issue, saw that liberals were for it, and decided there and then that you would never admit it was a problem no matter what.

Maybe, just maybe, liberals aren't worried about global warming because they're part of a secret communist conspiracy to cripple our noble oil corporations. Maybe its because they don't want to die when our civilisation collapses under the pressures of a changing environment.

>>128177624
>evidence

wow! you mean the temperature is changing like cooler an hotter periods?

wtf! I hate climate now!

lmao kys.

>>128179821

Communism lead to the deaths of a 100 million plus. It doesn't work. Karl Marx hated the poor and used propaganda to advance his own agenda.

>>128180028
>It's called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) if you want to look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum
". On land, modern mammal orders (including primates) suddenly appear in Europe and in North America."
Sounds good desu

>>128179276
It's just Americans, we're talking about a population of 320 million and somewhere in the figure of 150 million of them believe literally in angels and demons and shit. When it snows more on an average day than it normally would that's way more 'proof' of their belief than they are used to. To us it sounds retarded but to genuine stupid people that shit is bulletproof.

>>128169381
Tell me when they can get the weather right a day, week, month out until then what is more believable
People lying for money
Or
They can accurately predict the weather in 100 years time

>>128174145
>derived from a natural logarithm, thus will asymptotically approach zero
Absolutely disgusting

lim (ln(x)) = infinity
x->infinity

>>128168394
I give you an A+

you worked it out, well done

>>128181923
This, even if we had a millions of papers confirming it, it means nothing. That's not how science works.

>Knowledge grows by subtraction much more than by addition—given that what we know today might turn out to be wrong but what we know to be wrong cannot turn out to be right, at least not easily. If I spot a black swan, I can be quite certain that the statement “all swans are white” is wrong. But even if I have never seen a black swan, I can never hold such a statement to be true. Rephrasing it again: since one small observation can disprove a statement, while millions can hardly confirm it, disconfirmation is more rigorous than confirmation.

>This idea has been associated in our times with the philosopher Karl Popper, and I quite mistakenly thought that he was its originator (though he is at the origin of an even more potent idea on the fundamental inability to predict the course of history). The notion, it turned out, is vastly more ancient, and was one of the central tenets of the skeptical-empirical school of medicine of the postclassical era in the Eastern Mediterranean. It was well known to a group of nineteenth-century French scholars who rediscovered these works. And this idea of the power of disconfirmation permeates the way we do hard science.

>>128181968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
"The global carbon budget is the balance of the exchanges (incomes and losses) of carbon between the carbon reservoirs or between one specific loop (e.g., atmosphere and biosphere) of the carbon cycle. An examination of the carbon budget of a pool or reservoir can provide information about whether the pool or reservoir is functioning as a source or sink for carbon dioxide."
I'm guessing they use it as a proxy to try and measure the co2 in the atmosphere at that time.

>>128169381
it's a tiny minority of scientists

>>128182164
Then why is the solution paying money and sending manufacturing of useless trinkets to places like China that use things like lignite coal for fuel you fucking idiot? Why do things have to be spoon-fed to people? I could get on board with drives to slow down deforestation or research on recycling methods, or planting trees etc but shipping jobs to dirty countries where people live in factories is not a fucking solution

>>128178925
Why not give Australia money to terraform our outback. That would sequester a lot of carbon.

>>128182528
paleontologists think they likely existed before this event, it's just that they got dispersed through climate induced migration across several continents and therefore appear first in the geologic record at that time
It's little more than the result of an inherently incomplete paleontological record

>>128182985
the delta13C value? Yes it is. The magnitude and timing can give you information about the amount and speed of the carbon injection

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>>128169585

>>128181280
one problem with your theory dumb fuck, the hotter the water the less CO2 it can hold.

BTFO on the acid ocean bullshite

>>128180207

Not at all. To assume I am biased would be to assume I actually cared of the outcome of the research.

I don't.

I was open minded. I started noticing during the course of my research that global warming alarmists discounted data relative to cooling trends, of which we were in when I was writing the thesis. Thereafter, I read that the 1998 graph depicting it to be the hottest year was actually 1934. Moreover, some groups were flat our falsifying data.

I don't there is an impending cataclysm. If water levels rise by 1 foot over the course of a 100 years...people will just move.

>>128183444
Couldn't something like this happen with the increased carbon in the ocean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event

>>128174145
This is a good post.

I remember when I was a kid in elementary school they taught me about global cooling and acid rain in school. When Al Gore came out with his movie I didn't know wtf to expect anymore.

Anyone know if there's a comprehensive list of climate change 'predictions' that never came true? Ice caps melting and flooding the beaches by 2012 is one I remember.

>all this climate change bullshit
>meanwhile whatever happened to the hole over Antarctica back in the 80s

Blah blah blah. The Paris Accords mean shit when countries like India and China are out there, whelp time to rev up those emissions

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>>128181931
well NOAA did evaluate the temperature record of the US.
What they did was first calculate the trend for all weather stations - and then calculate the trend only for weather stations that were alleged by critics to be free or mostly free of the UHI effect.
And as you can see in this graphic, they were unable to detect any statistically meaningful deviations between these two trends

>>128182824
Oh I know. Thats why i was calling him retarded.

Even if the icecaps melt it doesn't mean shit, your glass of over water doesn't overflow when it melts

Worst case scenario.
>>128183569
>people will just move.
And we cool down the earth with technology. I'm against actual pollution. Co2 is not pollution and humans are just as much part of the earths cycle as other living beings. I really don't see the problem. Worst case, we just cool it down again motherfuckers.
>>128183444
>It's little more than the result of an inherently incomplete paleontological record
Whatever, I looked it up, it helped us get to where we are today.

>>128183636
not in the immediate future, because the growth of these ferns was conditional on an ice-free arctic ocean with a stratified water column and anoxic bottom water conditions

there is no guarantee that these conditions will also be met in the future

and even if they did, this process took place on timescales of hundreds of thousands of years, so it would be foolish for us to rely on these ferns to bail us out

>>128183785
That is my biggest problem with it,. It has been used to re appropriate money for organisations to combat climate change. I suspect these organisations have significant overhead that lines the pockets of the people pushing for it.

>>128183636
btw the Azolla event isn't the sole cause of the Eocene greenhouse-icehouse switch
what also has to be mentioned in this context is the collision of the Indian subcontinent with Eurasia

>>128184380
>so it would be foolish for us to rely on these ferns to bail us out
Bail us out from what? Humans won't go extinct, we can agree on that right?

>>128175240
Can you please post another link? Can't access archive.is

>>128184682
yes I would agree with that
but you'll appreciate that there is a large difference between "humans wont go extinct" and "there is no danger"

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>>128184801
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58824.html

>>128184363

CEME can heat up the ioniosphere. Tesla said a while back, you control EME, you can tamper with the weather.

>>128184682

No, we won't go extinct. There is no day after tomorrow doomsday scenario.

Besides, I estimate that in a 100 or 200 years, we will be terraforming planets and maybe have dealt with energy problems and pollution.

>>128184825
>"there is no danger"
Danger for whom? The population explosion in Africa where whites have feed a bunch of africans who can't farm and sustain themselves is the real catastrophe, earth getting a bit warmer, which still, it might not happen, the earth might regulate itself, seems like little concern. I still don't see the problem with co2.
>>128185518
>you can tamper with the weather.
If all the people that are screaming climate catastrophe are right, we are already doing it without even trying. Imagine if we put our minds to it.

>>128185518

Ionosphere*

>>128185862

This is why I said the neural network (which means the interconnected world academics) will solve all issues.

I am confident of that. We only see idiots paraded in the media but there are a lot of bright and brilliant academics. All it takes is 1 person from the hundreds of millions to change the world.

I have hope.

>>128185736
There is no reason to terraform planets when we can make artificial habitats or just build new ones. Assuming that living in a different gravity fucks with human physiology

>>128186180

There is once we achieve utopia. We will travel the stars and establish colonies. Besides, the potential of encountering other life forms is exciting.

>>128176228
What are diminishing returns?

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>>128186180
We take all our co2 and send to Mars and give it an atmosphere.

>>128186615
Nah you build orbital rings around it and use that to make a shell the radius you want for a planet and pump hydrogen from Jupiter or the sun into it to get the gravity right.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g
watch this guys channel if you can deal with his speech impediment.

>>128186385

The whole point of the thread is to question anything within scientific circles that claim concensus on an issue.

It is important to validate all research. Review it once, twice or thrice and consider opposing sources.

Alright thank you /pol/ peacing out.

>>128181931
This is why I don't take ground station readings accurately. Additionally, a lot of the older measurements were taken with equipment that was not precise enough to be taken seriously when used as an argument for such minor trends.

Satellite and weather balloon measurements are king, and the (((climate experts))) hate them because satellite data doesn't push the Armageddon angle.

>>128184363
>cool down the earth with technology.

Are you suggesting we put the earth in a fridge?

Where does the radiator go?

>>128169381
So it's like modern catholicism? We can just pay our way out of hell?

>>128179634

The one that we're currently experiencing.

>In 1970, Harvard University biologist George Wald predicted, “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

Sure enough, 27 years later he was dead, fulfilling his prophesy.

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>>128185862
the danger comes because our civilization likes all every human civilization that has ever existed is highly dependent on a stable supply of agricultural goods and one of the best established consequences of global warming is an increase in the extremes of the water cycle. In fact, if you take a look, sometimes just a few years of failing harvests can sort of magnify any societal rifts and have serious consequences for societal cohesion. That's what has basically happened in Syria

or take another example:
the entire Indian subcontinent (which is inhabited by over 1 billion people) is highly dependent on the precipitation that is brought by the South Asian summer monsoon every year. Climatologists have found that the summer monsoon has been in a long-term decline in strength for the last 50 years. If you combine that with the effects of even a small rise in sea level, to which particularly Bangladesh (population: 160 million) is highly susceptible because it's a low lying coastal plain, the effects could be absolutely disastrous for the entire world.

If you care about Indians starving or Bangladeshis drowning is quite secondary to this because whatever your personal opinion on them might be, they will come to knock on the doors of other countries.

>>128187220

You beautiful bastard. You get it!!!

>>128187553

Didn't you hear? Denying global warming is now a sin according to the Pope.

Fuck the Pope. But I am cool with Catholics. Not that Muslim feet kissing cuck.

>>128185165
Men look like they're working. Women look like they came for a photoop with their bright pink helmets

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>>128176984
because NASA is fucking the data to suit their shekel farming

>>128187776
Would it be cheaper to kill all of the people in heavily affected regions or feed them?

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>>128187776
>That's what has basically happened in Syria
No they had an population explosion.
>>128187776
>is highly dependent on a stable supply of agricultural goods and one of the best established consequences of global warming is an increase in the extremes of the water cycle.
Not everywhere on earth. There used to be farmers on Greenland, as it grew colder they died out and the inuits(different ethnicity) took over. Ffs the sahara desert was fertiel
http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html
"But sandwiched between two periods of extreme dryness were a few millennia of plentiful rainfall and lush vegetation.

During these few thousand years, prehistoric humans left the congested Nile Valley and established settlements around rain pools, green valleys, and rivers."
Now you write more about other problems that might or might not happen.

>>128174046

.000073%

>>128188881
how is people farming in Greenland and North Africa being wetter in the past challenge the idea that organized human life depends on a steady supply of food?

>>128188696
I haven't got a clue

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>>128188013
>Men look like they're working
They are working, not just look like it.
>>128188013
>Women look like they came for a photoop with their bright pink helmets
They did came for the photoop, they don't just look like it.

>>128189242
>how is people farming in Greenland and North Africa being wetter in the past challenge the idea that organized human life depends on a steady supply of food?
It does not. I'm just trying to explain to you, that the earth getting a bit warmer won't fuck up the steady supply of food.

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>>128188881
what happened in Syria was that the worst drought in the instrumental record hit large parts the fertile crescent from 2007 to 2010. The failing crops and the dying livestock drove much of the rural population into the large cities and we all know what happened after that

>>128189422
>It does not
oh okay. So what are you basing your idea on that none of the things I mentioned will be an issue

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>>128174108
AGW is science for the sheep.
I do not need to be a rancher to know the smell of bull shit, or an aeronautical engineer to know a plane crash when I see it.
Oh, and I am a Biology fag...BS.
My only question is how long will it take to repair the damage done to the scientific method done by the 'church of global *something*'.
Loser.

>>128189814
>what happened in Syria was that the worst drought in the instrumental record hit large parts the fertile crescent from 2007 to 2010. The failing crops and the dying livestock drove much of the rural population into the large cities and we all know what happened after that
Yes, the fellaheens went at it. As they always do. The problem is population explosion of people who should not breed.

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>>128184028
Mash here.

https://realclimatescience.com/2016/10/more-on-the-noaa-texas-temperature-fraud/

Proof of the fraud to keep the 'climate' gravy train rolling.
The tragic part is that money could be used to actually fix REAL problems like pollution & deforestation...but noooo, we gotta keep the agenda science hacks employed.

>>128168831
He's fucking busy man.
You think he can safely drive around rural America?

>>128169804
Have you ever met a scientist?

>>128168394
Climate change scientists don't come down to the docks and offer advice on how you ahould be sucking cock.

Why do you pretend you know better?

At uni, I was an Incovenient Truther, mainly because I knew Dubbya had stolen the 2000 election from Gore, whom I then supported.

Looking back, it was freaky how indoctrinated I was, while still well informed. Part of it was girls I was dating; dating a girl who didn't believe in global warming / climate change in 2002-2008 was unheard of in my college circles.

What started my climate change redpill? Michael Crichton, the Jurassic Park author for youngfags, wrote a 2004 novel 'State of Fear' that full out dismissed global warming as a globalist conspiracy. This novel has been memory holed.

When it was released, I could sense not only the media being frustrated by this novel, it was rumored that Spielberg and other Crichton friends were growing cold to him, mad even. Charlie Rose on PBS, a longtime Crichton friend, practically snarled at Crichton, begged him to backtrack. He scoffed, then recitated very convincing statistics. He was going against the grain of elites.

Here's what spooked me. Crichton was coughing in several interviews for the book. And having mild speaking difficulty. Boom. He's suddenly dead of the Big C. And yet, the media fails to give him, the biggest author of the 90s (he created ER on TV, Clooney's breakthrough), a hero's send off. So, I knew when the media goes radio silent on a topic, see Seth Rich now, that someone hit a nerve.

My next redpill was watching Glenn Beck, who I thought was, you know, Satan incarnate back then, urgently layout on CNN or Fox News (crazy) the Agenda 21 globalist plan, which I then researched online. It basically is an agenda to sell micro-housing to our gen, and herd us into surveillance mega cities, where public transport is the norm, as ownership of property/cars is derided/banned due to "green" laws. Learning how much private land the gov/Clintons own in Western US was alarming. Then: InfoWars/Agenda 2030

John Bush's speech to Austin gov was HUGE for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI3kYgXsziI

>>128168394
>I'm retarded and didn't look into any real science behind a topic and got butt blasted when they gave me a shit grade for getting it wrong
>Posts a picture of ice and snow
>Doesn't realize climate change means extremes at both ends of the spectrum
>Literally disproves his own point before he even makes with with a png

kek

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>>128191995

Yes, I am one. Fuck yourself.

>>128193848

Gore's model never came to fruition.

The whole push for global warming is the elites attempt to make the economy socialist and line their pockets with money and cheap labor.

Ummmm no sweetie, the god emperor said it's not

real now fuck off this Trump board

>>128172962
Granted, but considering it was an environmental bullshit elective, he probably still had a better idea o whats going on than his professors.
Then again, I don't go to his university, what do I know.

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>>128195684
>im justg tring to make a political statmenet here,
i hope everyone
>agrees
with me

Who is more likely to be bullshitting, tens of thousands of scientists or a few capitalist cartels who directly profit from fossil fuels?

>>128196423
how much money do scientists
.make
and you kjow all i know is that the gas companies got somehow brought into this anything
over energy
why are they automatically in your head have to do with energy

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>humans cause the global warming

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>>128194521
Hurrhurr, this should somehow convince us that this 1.0 is unnatural?

Fucking retard

>>128195653

Yes, it was a bullshit elective. In retrospect, taking that class affected my GPA negatively and advocates of global warming are worse than religious fanatics.

I regret taking this class. Conversely, calling a student an emotional tree hugger and telling another to stop delving in hypotheticals was worth it.

>>128169381
>All climate scientists being bought out to push a hoax
this one

> and all the countries in the world falling for it
falling for it? wtf are you talking about.

"contries" as in states are the biggest benefactors of global warming.

>>128169381

>Global warming exists

Climate change happened over whole fucking history of Earth.
Panic with global warming is LITERALLY cash grab.

>All climate scientists being bought out to push a hoax and all the countries in the world falling for it

Some century and a little bit ago scientists, en masse, thought that washing your hands before operation is a dumb idea that is made by some plebians trying to shame the best and brightest.

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>>128187776
>poos btfo
>disastrous for the entire world
warmist bullshit, over warmist bullshit, over warmist bullshit, ...