NUCLEAR ENERGY BTFO >more expensive than solar, wind >endless

>>128161992
link
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/02/us-nuclear-energy-industry-struggles-as-three-mile-island-shutdown-looms.html

>>128162065
>foxnews

>>128161992
Where the fuck did you hear solar is cheaper than nuke? Solar/wind are the most expensive and unreliable.

>>128161992
>>more expensive than solar, wind
aaaaand stopped reading there

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>>128163611
wake up and smell the coffee my man

>>128163848
France is dependent on nuclear, right? Bad investment. Bad idea.

>solar
It generates less energy than is spent on making and installing the panels
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421516301379

>>128163882
>capacity
I see what you did there.

>>128161992
France uses nuclear.

From which it follows that it's green friendly, until Macron pulls the plug.

US needs more nuclear, so we can be like France and Make Our Planet Great Again.

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>>128164829
>nuclear
its dead anon

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>>128161992
Solar

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>>128165641
In baizuo countries cucked by greenpeace maybe. You will wither into irrelevance in a few decades anyway.

>>128161992

Truly, nuclear is the way to go, specially molten salt reactors, unless fusion is reached.

However, nuclear plants are plagued with corrupt corporations, who put low costs over security, making accidents like fukushima a likely catastrophic scenario, until we stop seeing this as a money making scheme there will never be a truly safe plant. Fucking human greed.

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>>128161992

>more expensive than solar, wind
wrong. government subsidies for renewables don't make them cheaper, the government is just paying part of the cost
>endless leaks wherever you store it (see Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility)
"endless" is absurd hyperbole
>meltdowns every couple of years, rendering miles of cities unlivable
wrong
>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
no more so than any other energy infrastructure
>massive start up costs
true
>not profitable
true, but only because oil is so cheap right now

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>>128166094
>61 units
wow that IS a lot

meanwhile, in a thriving industry ...

>>128166382
>>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
>no more so than any other energy infrastructure
if you blow up a nuclear plant you have to abandon the entire city

>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
Wong.
>endless leaks wherever you store it (see Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility)
Ends after thousands of years, and it's just leaking into a mountain range in the desert so who gives a fuck
>meltdowns every couple of years, rendering miles of cities unlivable
Unless you're incompetent commies from the 80's this isn't a problem. Fukushima isn't a wasteland.
>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
Terrorists and militaries already have ways of scorching the earth, they'll do it if they want to regardless of whether you have a nuclear plant.
>massive start up costs
It's worth it
>not profitable
Wrong

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>>128166613
>spend billions of dollars
>install 40 GW capacity of panels
>which only generate 4 GW on average
>mostly at the time when no one even needs it
>and don't generate energy when it's needed
>still burn coal because people need reliable electricity
IQ level: green

>>128167077
That's not a question of vulnerability though.

Actually I'll revise my statement from before. If anything nuclear plants are likely more secure than other energy infrastructure because they're largely self-contained.

>>128167124
>Fukushima isn't a wasteland
Neither is Chernobyl. It's basically a nature preserve right now, overgrown with forests and teeming with wildlife.

>>128163882
>Capacity is cost
kek

green energy has been MASSIVELY subsidized

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Why couldn't we just build the nuclear power plants on the moon and just ship the energy back to Earth?

We really need to bring the nuclear industry into the 21st century. I'm not one for ultra government regulations, but we need it for nuclear.
Put age limits on reactors. Bring in military security. Reverse the retardation of the Obama administration and give incentives for nuclear power.
It's the only viable clean energy we have at the moment. It's the only way we can reach the climate goals (((they))) say are important to our survival.
But alas, these hip green technologies just make so much money from the goy's tax pools.

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>>128167242
>install solar panels on roof
>electricity bill goes negative
>pays for itself in 13 years
>insured for 25
>guaranteed profit

meanwhile, in arctic-circle Russia:
>no sun, no hope
>rely on government projects to provide power
>get irradiated
>drink vodka

>>128161992
>>more expensive than solar, wind
Only due to regulatory shenanigans
>>endless leaks wherever you store it (see Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility)
because you hippie tards won't let us build a giant tunnel in the desert
>>meltdowns every couple of years, rendering miles of cities unlivable
building nuclear sites on or near active faults is retarded
>>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
so is your anus
>>massive start up costs
thanks to retards like you
>>not profitable
liar

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>>128166094
>China
i am terrified
when every single one of their reactors undoubtedly melts down they're going to roast the entire fucking earth

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>>128167746
>It works for a single household in sunny California so it must work for entire cities in every part of the world
Pic related is the size of the solar farm you'd need to do this. It isn't feasible for anything larger than a house.

>>128167077
Do you have any idea the damage that would be dealt if a terrorist legitimately planted bombs in an oil refinery?

Have you heard of the Halifax Explosion?

>>128161992
>meltdowns every couple of years
First operating nuclear power plant connected to an electrical grid was 63 years ago this month.

63 years, 3 meltdowns, only one of which resulted in any loss of human life. Not a bad track record.

>>128167707
>wants more regulations on nuclear
>>128167832
>wants less regulations on nuclear

which is it anons?

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>>128161992
you were saying?

>>128168076
Better regulations. Ones that promote it, instead of inhibit it.

>>128168076
Regulation is not the same as the unending leftist cabal anti-nuclear brigading bullshit. Stop being willfully retarded, as it looks silly.

>>128168033
the more plants you build the more meltdowns you get. simple math.
if you scale up nuclear by 10, we'll have 30 meltdowns in 60 years. thats 1 every 2 years. is that acceptable to you?

>>128168076
The only reg that anon actually suggested was age limits. If the government would actually grant licenses to build new plants that wouldn't be a problem. So, less regs.

>>128168180
Thorium is a meme until someone develops a working, industrial-scale reactor design. It's about as useful to us right now as nuclear fusion is.

Uranium fission is safe, efficient, and available NOW, not 30 or 40 years from now.

>>128168180
thorium is truly a meme (unproven) and not politically viable because it promotes nuclear proliferation

>>128167837
The nice part about building nuclear reactors is that you'll build nuclear centrifuges to go with them
Which can simply be spun up to promote the end of the world

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>>128168294
That isn't how statistics work anon

>>128163882
this graph btfo's wind and solar but solar is decentralized and cannot be kill switched by a kike botnet tier false flag.

>>128167242

>mostly at the time when no one even needs it

You mean during the day?

>>128168180
Too bad (((greedy assholes))) aren't allowing us to use this technology. Some of our engineer here in France have the skills and ressources but aren't doing anything because it would be economicaly a bad thing compare to our current nuclear technology.

>>128168351
Dozens of reactor designs exist, at least a couple were built at Oak Ridge in the 60s. There just isn't an existing prototype reactor in existence because the project lost funding and the government won't approve any new reactors (even for research purposes) to be built in the U.S. That's why Bill Gates is building his prototype breeder reactor in China. The entire reason nuclear has failed is due to interference of the U.S. Government and the Green lobby. That's it.

>>128168651
yes it is.
you build 10x more plants you have 10x more accidents. 30 meltdowns in accidents in 60 years is not acceptable
i thought you nuclear wastelands were supposed to be scientifically literate?

>>128167746
>rely on government projects to provide power
It only pays off because it's heavily subsidized by your government.
And it's far from clean, the amount of (coal) energy that was used to mine the raw materials and make the panels and several packs of lithium batteries is likely greater than you've saved. It's not energy generation, it's energy waste.
>>128168294
New plants are far safer than those built 30-60 years ago. SMRs are all designed for passive safety.

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>>128161992

Finland's new Olkiluoto-3 reactor has been massive failure. It was supposed to be ready in 2009 but current ETA is around 2018-19 and it could still be delayed.

It has costed over 10 billions now and both Areva and TVO are now suing each other for cost overruns and demanding several billions from eachother. They are basically bankrupt, that's why Areva split it's company so they could let it fail. 10 billions + 10 years of lost electricity is pretty heavy price. It has taken over 80% Finland's energy budget during past 10 years. With that money we could have whole country full of geothermal energy plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Unit_3

There has been countless of quality issues with foreign workers. Reactor itself has been considered so dangerous that it would not even get permits in other EU countries. Nuclear lobby has corrupted finnish politicians so they will keep pushing nuclear even after failure of OL-3.

Now it seems like russians have taken over OL-3 because site is surrounded by russian soldiers. Areva and TVO cannot finish it because they are bankrupt so maybe Rosatom is bailing them out.

Real reason why elites are shilling so hard for nuclear is plutonium. Plutonium inside nuclear weapons needs to be replaced every 3-4 years or it might not go critical anymore. You can create plutonium only by nuclear fission and cheapest way is to extract it from used nuclear fuel. Obviously nuclear industry and military doesn't want people to know how nuclear energy maintains nuclear weapons.

Those who say that nuclear power is "clean" will never say how much fossil power was used to build/dismantle nuclear power plant or how much energy was used to dig and enrich uranium. Easy uranium deposits were depleted during cold war, it constantly takes more fossil fuels to dig and enrich it.

Geothermal energy is the future. We are now building geothermal plants even in Finland where bedrock is relatively cool.

>>128163848

BUT A SMALL SOLAR PANEL ONLY COSTS SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS WHEREAS A NUCLEAR REACTOR COSTS MORE. CHECKMATE DRUMPFKINS.

>>128163882
>Gigawatts vs. Gigawatt/hours.

Learn the difference.

>>128161992
May your most beloved person die in agony if they haven't already.

May you never reunite in death.

Sage

>>128168294
This has to be a joke. I'm done. Fuck.

>>128161992
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>>128168997
its gigawatt-hours you dolt
this is basic stuff, cmon

>>128168294

That's not quite how it works. The later generation plants get better and safer because we learn how to better engineer and manage the things.

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>>128168431
>thorium promotes nuclear proliferation

you can't make nukes from thorium that's the entire reason the US government shut down the project

>>128166347
Fukushima was not a result of a design flaw with the reactor. It was a result of it being simultaneously submerged under water and torn apart by an earthquake.

>>128168431
Fuck you. A thorium based MSRB was built at Oak Ridge in the 60s. You can literally tour the facility and see the reactor with your own two eyes. It most certainly is proven technology. Also, it specifically mitigates proliferation risks as U233, the fissile product, is to hard to separate chemically and too dangerous for handle to convert to a weaponized state.

You are blatantly lying.

>>128168722
The biggest demand is in the evening and early morning, when solar generates little to none.
Intermittent sources are crap anyway. Would you want a computer or a car that decides if it works or not based on the current weather, time of day and season of year?

>>128161992
Actual red pill truth is that nuclear is being suppressed and sabotaged by the oil leaders until they exhaust the resources for maximum profit. It's actually an amazing source of energy.

why don't they just dump nuclear waste into a volcano?

>>128161992
Just kys. Please. It's time.

>>128169542
>nuclear volcanic eruption
sounds safe anon

uranium should be where its most safe, buried deep underground.

We need fusion energy. That much is what we all know.

By the way, wouldn't it be possible to boost solar energy by using fusion energy?

>>128169252
so you admit even flawless designs will meltdown unexpectedly? good. you're on the first step to the road of healing

>>128169153
Yup, you're trolling. I'm done with this fucktards thread.

>>128169678

>dumping a small lump of shit into the mantle will cause it to explode

You're not too bright are you?

>>128168351
>>128168431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLHBfolE6Hs

That dismissive attitude is why China or Europe will develop it first. Makes you wonder why no working industrial scale has been attempted? I'm sure it has nothing to do with oil companies lobbying or irrational fear regarding a totally different type of nuclear power plants.

>>128169796
solar literally is fusion because it draws energy from the sun, a natural fusion reactor

⭐

>>128169262
The Oakridge MSRE prototype never successfully ran on Thorium - it used U-235 and U-233. It was only ever designed to demonstrate the validity of molten salt reactor concept.

The results showed some promise, but Uranium has a much higher yield/mass ratio and was deemed easier to work with at the time. To date no one has successfully operated a molten salt reactor like the MSRE prototype solely on Thorium.

>>128169893
volcanoes often explode regardless of what you do to them, anon

nuclear is the future and frankly it's pretty disgusting that in 2017 humans still make shit run on cow farts and dead fossils

>>128168921
>Areva
France is no longer France.
>geothermal
Since when Finland has geothermal sites?
>how much fossil power was used to build/dismantle nuclear power plant or how much energy was used to dig and enrich uranium
About 70 times less than generated.
https://festkoerper-kernphysik.de/Weissbach_EROI_preprint.pdf

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>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
>endless leaks
>not profitable

Educate yourself you fucking moron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVCaUonrbE

>>128170167
This, it's kinda weird.

>>128168921
The root cause of Olkiluoto 3 is batshit retarded government policy where every single reactor core has to go through the parliament. So obviously the industry power group that wants a lot of power wants one gigantic core that has never been built before.

The project would be done ahead of schedule if getting permits for like 10 off the shelf cores would be as easy as 1.

>>128169883
are you serious?
you divide gigawatts by hours you get a useless unit
you multiply gigawatts by hours you get a unit of power
jesus christ nuclear supporters are retarded

>>128169921
I fucking know, you idiot, fusion energy is something I'm deeply interested in and have been researching about.
However, fusion energy is used to heat water in order to produce energy through turbines, which makes me rather doubtful as to whether we can make set a layer of photosensitive cells inside tokamaks. Would that shit even work since the process for earthly fusion is a deuterium/tritium-based process while fusion process in stars uses hydrogen and is rather different?

>>128169896
I'm not being dismissive, I'm being realistic. By all means fund the research. But like fusion, we have no guarantees on when or if it will become practical to use as a means of generating power.

You CAN'T build a sound energy policy on technology that COULD or MIGHT become available 30-40 years from now. You have to work with what you've already got. Right now we've got uranium fission - it's safe, it's clean, it works, and we've even got a big fucking long-term storage facility ready and able to store the waste if the yuppie faggot liberal politicians would stop blocking it.

>>128161992
you got to be kiddin me burger, sorry but you are complete retard. the country most beneficial AND WITH MOST RESEARCH in 'nuclear' as the D would put it is .... USA. Surprise.

>>128170167
>falling for the nuclear jew
Hamster wheel power is the future, goy.

>>128169153
Not sure if trolling or stupid.
>>128169893
Volcanoes erupt on their own.
It seems that the average intellect of /pol/ is worse than that of Kenya and Nigeria.

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I hope this would help

>>128170435
there are solar power plants that work by reflecting sunlight into water and boil it, same way a theoretical fusion reactor would
fusion is neato but it requires a containment field (usually electro-magnets, which take power) and we already have a working fusion reactor for free in space that's self-contained by gravity

>>128161992

As a white man, I feel defiled and degraded by "renewables". Renewable energy is an existence without dignity. It is like collecting cans on the street for a living. It is like shitting on your soil for growing food. Solar and wind are like scraping pennies. Nuclear is talking dollars. If you want to be a spacefaring civilization, renewables are the shits.

Here is a soviet nuclear icebreaker. Good luck with building a replacement with sails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6OHHGrVM3g

>>128169955
Pretty sure U235 was a catalyst to transform Th232 into U233 as U233 doesn't exist naturally and can only be created from a nuclear fission process involving fissile Uranium that already exists (U235) and fertile Thorium (Th232).

So... yes, it was operational. They did use Thorium, because that's the only way to create U233. It consistently creates fissile material which is then in turn used to transform more fertile material into fissile. This is how all breeder reactors work.

Also, the only reason they even learned about the flouride salt corrosion problems of the time was that they were operating the reactor with Thorium and Flouride salts. So, again, it most certainly did work and used Thorium.

>>128170715
>people dying of water
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGAHAHAH

>>128170435
No. One of the bigger engineering obstacles with fusion devices is that discharges have a tendency to ablate the wall material. Any material that flakes off becomes heated and radiates in the core of the plasma and can potentially lead to a complete dissipation.

Walls for most fusion devices are now built out of carbon panels because the carbon is orders of magnitude cheaper, generally fares better, and ablated material getting into the plasma isn't as cataclysmic as with heavier materials.

Solar cells are made with silicon or heavier materials like GaAs. You don't want that shit lining the inside of your tokamak. If it ablates its basically guaranteed to dissipate the entire plasma, plus its a helluva lot more expensive to repair and replace.

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>>128162065
this is shitty b8, 0/8

>>128161992
>meltdowns every couple years
Yet the only fucking examples you can point out are from Drunk Russians, Tsunami, and Earthquake.
Piss off fuckhead. You would probably suggest retard spots for solar panels (like areas with more cloud cover than sunlight in a year).

God some of you 100% Renewable energy fucks are brainless.

>>128170899
The U-233 was produced by other reactors, not by the Oakridge device. At no point did the Oakridge device run on its own using only Thorium.

>>128161992

>i learned about nuclear power from the china syndrome

You people literally deserve to be locked up.

>>128170719
The problem is that it's impossible to harness the full heating potential of the sun because there's space and no particles means no heat transmission. Using sunlight only is using like a millionth of the sun's energy, and we can't use hawking radiation just yet.

>>128170991
Figured so too. Thanks for the heads up, still nice to learn more.

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>>128170348
Murrilards don't know the difference between power and energy. I am speechless.
>>128170459
Fast breeders do work. BN-600 is proof. You don't need to chase the LFTR fantasy to make use of depleted uranium and thorium.

>>128170507
>AND WITH MOST RESEARCH in 'nuclear' as the D would put it is .... USA
exactly, as a citizen of the USA I should be considered an authority on the subject and I asses that nuclear energy is on its way out and solar is on its way in

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>>128170917
Flooding when dams are broken.

>>128170728
I fully agree.

Here's a video of some nuclear explosions. Good luck bombing gorillions of shitskins with conventional bombs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ug82tLOgw

>>128170627
tell me all about this unit known as 'gigawatt/hours' and how useful it is to measure electricity. I'll wait, I'd love to hear your citations about 'gigawatt/hours'

>>128170715
Hillarious mock up anon.

>>128171241
Have you ever heard of a Dyson sphere?

>>128171150
The only way to create U233 is from Thorium... So, someone had to create it using the Thorium Uranium Fuel cycle.

And, again, that's how breeders work. It requires the input of existing fissile material (either U235 or U233) and fertile material (U238 or Th232). No reactor can run on just fertile material.

The oak ridge experiment ran on existing fissile material, transformed the thorium used into U233, which was then reused in the same reactor to transform more Th232 into U233.

Please tell me you understand this.

>>128171262
i can admit I was wrong - I should have said 'gigawatt-hour is a unit of energy.' now tell me all about gigawatt/hours, I'm waiting.

>>128169796

You nimby faggots would freak out about them building fusion plants exactly like them building fission plants and for all of the same reasons.

>>128171120
>100% Renewable energy
It's actually possible. With hydro and geothermal. Ask Norway and Iceland.
>>128171521
The graph you provided is not gigawatt-hours, it's gigawatts. I didn't notice that you were complaining about the typo, my bad.

>>128168016
Just imagine the amount of mining and digging and transport needed to do this. What about the set up time? Do we have solar powered diggers and mining equipment and cargo plains yet? Massive amount of carbon emissions will be made to make this a reality how long will it take for the effects to be reversed 100 years? 200? More? Can they even be reveresed? Full solar is honestly a foolish pipe dream

Praise the sun!

>>128171915
What the fuck are you talking about? Fusion energy is completely safe because it's not a self-managing process unlike nuclear fission that uses chain reaction. If there's a problem during the fusion process, everything dissipates immediately.

>>128171638
No, never. Will look up after dinner. Thanks a lot.

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>>128172172
>build a humongous solar power plant in Sahara to provide for Europe's energy needs
>build giant power lines connecting the continents to transport the electricity
>bombed by sandniggers on the first day
Genius!

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>>128171915
fission reactors are kept under high pressure and are quite hot so I'd be worried about them blowing up but they dont have the capacity to make an entire city unlivable like a nuclear reactor does.

personally I'd like it of all power plants were at least a few miles away from my house, they're generally pretty ugly. but I'd be ok with solar rooftops at my house they're pretty out of the way

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>>128170220
>Since when Finland has geothermal sites?

They are now building one test site in Espoo. Hole will be around 7 kilometers deep. At that depth you will always get steam and hot water for free. Earth is full of heat, why not use it?

Geothermal energy is far superior to nuclear. Many smaller sites could provide electricity and central heating to surrounding areas.

Elites don't want us to have free energy from the earth. That's why they keep pushing stupid solutions like nuclear. No other form of energy will pollute countries inhabitable for thousands of years or create waste which will be problem for next 100 000 years. Future generations will curse us for creating nuclear waste.

Finland's Onkalo spent nuclear fuel repository is also joke. 420m under the ocean is far too shallow because during next ice age permafrost will go deeper than 700m and it will crack containers open. It's pure stupidity to bury them next to ocean. World's nuclear waste should be put under australian deserts or at least far away from oceans.

Only reason they keep nuclear plants running is plutonium. One ton of plutonium costs 3-4 billions and one 1000MW reactor creates around 800kg of it in year. They ship nuclear fuel in secret to processing facilities and return it after plutonium has been extracted. That's why russians are bailing out OL-3 so they can get it's plutonium.

Everything what has been told to public about nuclear power is a lie. They have downplayed and cencored every accident so far. Paid nuclear shills are everywhere.

>>128172172

The sad thing is I've seen people suggest the idea all the time.

They care about the environment, but apparently an environmental catastrophe on that level is perfectly fine because >
muh renewables

>>128167539
If Fukushima happened on the moon, the nuclear explosion would cause the core to fall off the moon, and because of the huge gravity well that is Earth, the molten core would fall to the Earth faster than anything has ever fallen to Earth because the moon is so far away, and when it hits the Earth, it will be like 5 kajillion atom bombs.

>>128172172
This sort of argument is like when liberals say that conservatives who are anti-abortion have to be pro-welfare and pro-child support because anti-abortionists must love babies. It's so completely off base and totally misses the point by miles.

>>128172980
woah man that's totally crazy dude

>>128171733
The Oakridge device did not produce Thorium.
The Oakridge device did not run on Thorium.
The U-233 used in the Oakridge device was not produced by the Oakridge device.

The whole point of an LFTR is to generate a sustainable, Thorium fission reaction - the Oakridge device did not successfully demonstrate this concept. It *did* however demonstrate that molten salt reactors are a viable concept. A thorium-based molten salt reactor COULD work, but it hasn't been successfully engineered or demonstrated yet.


Thorium is absolutely deserving of more research, I think it could be demonstrated as a viable means of producing electrical power in our lifetimes... but at the end of the day that still means, best case scenario, thorium reactors (between the R&D and the red tape) are 30-40 years away and you can't design an energy policy around that.

>>128172694
And they think nuke plants are a prime terrorist spot? Take this thing out then it's bye bye worlds power

>>128168180
It's more along the lines that material science hasn't gotten to the point where it can contain the liqud salts.

1)they are highly corrosive
2)irradiating whatever material they use damages it.

If it was as simple as just fucking building one we would have already

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>>128173288
Interestingly enough, there are molten salt solar reactors in production today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Project

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>>128161992

Fukushima is the worst disaster of our time and there's literally nothing we can do to stop it.

Tepco doesn't know where melted cores are because they have melted deep into to the earth and radioactive groundwater keeps leaking into ocean. We cannot just pour concrete over it because it will leak into ocean anyway. Radiation inside the buildings is too high even for robots and humans would collapse in seconds.

Marine life is dying in pacific, you can google "pacific die-offs".

MSM is covering it up to avoid global panic. Tokyo isn't safe for 2020 olympics either. I would not be suprised if they were cancelled because by 2020 Japan is really fucked. People have radiation sickness symptoms and birth defects have gone trough roof.

Just remember my words if you don't believe me now. Fukushima will lead to major panic in the future when MSM cannot cover it up anymore.

It's much worse than chernobyl, reactor 3 had MOX-fuel made from plutonium, thats why it exploded critically, it wasn't hydrogen explosion. It has been estimated that by now Fukushima has released over hundred times more radioactive fallout into ocean than Chernobyl did into atmosphere.

America isn't safe either. Jet stream brings radioactive particles over the pacific and ocean currents will spread them around the world.

http://enenews.com/

http://fukushima-diary.com/

Follow them if you want redpill on this. People don't realize that it will slowly kill whole globe. What happens when Japan runs out of nuclear engineers and becomes inhabitable? Who will fix it then?

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>>128173365
This is footage of a safety test where a jet was slammed at supersonic speed into a sample of the reinforced concrete used to encase a nuclear reactor.

Terrorists ain't gonna do shit against nuclear plants.

>>128173699
Sorry, subsonic.

>>128173635
I dont buy into that but maybe you're right anon! I'd personally point to the Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility - shit has been leaking nuclear waste into the groundwater for decades and no one can stop it or even knows if it will stop on its own.

>>128169088
>Coalburner
Disgusting.

>>128173288
Ok, I'm done. You clearly need to read the PDFs online of the copied documents from Oak Ridge...
Or watch a video on it...
Or use common sense to realize that only a U235/233 Th232 cycle can produce U233 (so you are saying, concurrently, that a thorium breeder reactor has been used before and has not been used before).

P.S. Never said they produced Thorium, Only nature can do that. They did produce they're own U233, it was just never separated from the reactor and allowed to decay within the reactor casing.

>>128161992
Solar and wind consume more energy than they produce. Their only product is virtue signalling.

>>128172546
>free
You still need to drill the hole and maintain the plant.
It's not expensive for volcanic areas, but I'm not so sure about a 7 km drill hole (that's a yuge hole).
Are there details on the project? I don't speak spurdorunes, so English will be appreciated.
>nuclear waste
Completely overblown problem. Just blend the shit with ore tailings and put it back into uranium mines, the radioactivity will be about the same as before uranium was extracted from the mine. Or bury it in one secure place, if you are so paranoid.
>plutonium
We have plenty of our own nuclear reactors. And it mostly goes into MOX fuel anyway, because muh non proliferation treaties.
>downplayed and cencored
Lolwut? Fukushima has been mostly covered by shrill ecofash lunatics that scream end of the world every time there's any kind of industrial accident.

>>128167746
Depends on where you live.

Here, we have solar panels available for housing and converted farmland. The panels are NOT accessible by you and instead are hooked into the local power grid. You are paid a percentage if and only if the grid is overtaxed and the power company has to "activate" your panels.
You are required to pay back the cost of installation within two years. I know farmers who've installed multiple field panels and had to pay out of pocket because the power grid did not require the use of their panels over the last six years.
Local firefighters also refuse to enter homes with solar panel roofs due to the added risk of roof collapse and electrocution.

>>128174234
I'm sorry, sounds like Canada is a overregulated socialist shithole

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I'm out of time so this is my last redpill:

Aircrews and people who fly a lot are suffering from radiation poisoning because planes attract radioactive particles from Fukushima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?

v=4MpTJ4ykgCw&list=PLw3jzIFn_oatFAZOBtdYVGmA9X0UifREU&index=18

Pilot are having blackouts and seizures, even fistfights have occurred. Aircrews get more radiation during 40 hours of flying than nuclear workers get in a year. Radiation levels inside planes have increased over tenfold after 2011 Fukushima accident. There's lots of static electricity on airplane skin which attracts radioactive particles and engines are sucking them also. Wigner effect is causing planes to fail.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceinspace/2014/02/faq-effect-of-fukushima-and-nuclear-testingdu-weapons-radiation-on-flying-in-commercial-airliners.html

Fukushima is massive coverup and it's much worse than MSM lets you believe. It's still leaking as we speak.

>>128173537
They still use gas to heat up the salt because otherwise it freezes overnight.
>>128173635
>rehashed radiophobia straight outta mainstream news
>redpill

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eat shit soon enough we'll be able to use nuclear waste as fool, maybe if the world wasn't so afraid by it it'd be further along by now, instead of funding stupid shit like this

>>128173001
Maybe so, but what I'm saying has some merit to it.

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>>128174611
SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS

>>128161992
>Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility

I assume you mean the Hanford site

that was run by the Defense Department and was one of the very first nuclear installations in the country

of course it's going to be more contaminated because they didn't know what they were doing yet. same reason Marie Curie walked around with vials of radionuclides in her pockets

>>128174530
>They still use gas to heat up the salt because otherwise it freezes overnight.
I dont have a problem with this. Only a fool would think that 100% solar is viable (unless you wanna get really fancy with storage technologies, I could go on about those for hours). I think natural gas is one of the best types of power out there. My last city was powered by natural gas, very cheap, no complaints. If we could get to 50%+ solar, I'd be very happy.

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>>128161992
>/pol/ why havent you joined arms with our lord and savior, Solar?
The sun is a giant fusion engine, you uneducated nigger.
There is literally nothing wrong with nuclear power.

>>128161992
>doesn't require absurd amounts of land or a consistently cloudless sky

nuclear industry in france is collapsing. they used to have surplus of energy that they were selling to rest of europe. but now they have climate change agreement and shit. btw hydro plants are most cost-effective at the moment.

>>128175086
In most english-speaking circles, "nuclear" = fission. Fusion is considered separately, and for good reason. They're entirely different processes.

>>128163611

And think about the birds that wind power kills in droves!!! evil fascist renewable energy libs

>>128164610
hilarious.

I've read that in other places, that in the lifetime of most photovoltaic panels, it will never generate more energy than was used in its manufacture.

>>128167837
better than polluting the atmosphere with heavy metals and sulfur oxides

>>128173635

Christ, I hate you people.

>>128172172
imagine the habitat loss.

>>128167539
And how do you propose to do the shipping? That's a huge distance and A LOT of energy to ship.

>>128174095
>They did produce they're own U233
In a separate device.

Oakridge demonstrated that a uranium-fueled molten salt reactor could work. That's great. That's 50% of the concept right there. The other 50% is that the reactor also successfully produces the U-233. The whole point of LFTRs is that you exploit the Thorium fuel cycle, exposing the thorium to neutrons to create the U-233 in-situ, that way if something goes wrong all you have to do is turn off the external neutron source and you stop producing U-233.

If I'm building a "self-cleaning mousetrap" and I show that it can clean away bodies of mice I've killed elsewhere with a different mousetrap, I'm only demonstrating half the concept of the "self-cleaning mousetrap". If I'm producing the U-233 in a separate device, transporting it to my molten salt reactor, and then producing a fission reaction, I'm failing to demonstrate half the concept of the LFTR design.

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>>128173635

>Marine life is dying in pacific, you can google "pacific die-offs".

Do you realise how retarded what you're saying is? (pic related)

>>128175086
I'm a Yuyukofag but Okuu is my number two.

>>128175960
A lot of these would be installed in mostly desert areas. Places with the harshest living standards and least populated areas known to man and they would obviously would require many workers pre and post completion. Constantly working on devices that are known to fry birds. Sounds like fucking hell.

>>128176227

Have you ever watched pandora's promise?

There's this scene where they visit these radioactive hot springs somewhere in south america if I recall correctly.

People swim in them because they're "medicinal." So they asked all these people if they were worried about the radiation. The answer: of course not. This is natural radiation.

>>128176227
nice panties

>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
Bull.

Solar and especially wind energy are super-expensive, there is no country in which they've held out without govt. subsidies.

>>128170719
You mean the ones that cook thousands of flying birds a year?

>>128172523
Yeah great but you are talking about production units, waste and degradation. Town power supplies and personal back ups for the surrounding area seems better to me.

If you are far off the grid that is ok i guess. otherwise...

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>>128169088

>/POL/ IS COAL

Then i've got bad news for /pol/.
If natural gas is so cheap that not even nuclear can compete with it that means that coal is doomed. (pic related)
That's because coal has higher running costs than nuclear traditionally

>>128176887
Why should I care? I personally cook hundreds of birds a year.

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>>128175071
I'm fine with just burning gas in boilers/turbines, no need for expensive intermittent power (which barely pays off in its lifetime if ever) that would make gas power plants idle half the time (leading to high electricity prices) then rapidly ramp up and then slow down again (leading to less efficient gas use). My federal subject is powered by 90% gas 10% hydro, no pollution issues whatsoever, but I wouldn't mind construction of extra hydro, geothermal or nuclear.
>>128176740
We have something called radon bathes (there are uranium mines nearby). People seriously believe they are helpful to your health. But then freak out about radiation from Japanese fish or whatever.

>>128161992
Literally missing the fix for nuclear waste - reprocessing. Currently banned because (((reasons)))

>>128176740
It's maddening.

How many solar panels would it take to noticeably change the albedo of the planet?

>>128177649
Lots.

>supporting the solar jew

Tidal energy best renewable

>>128161992
Lived near seabrook transfer station my whole life.
We good

>>128174530
>They still use gas to heat up the salt because otherwise it freezes overnight.
Could you cite this? According to the Wikipedia page:
>The storage technology also eliminates the need for any backup fossil fuels, such as natural gas.
I'm faily sure they dont use gas to keep the salt warm.

>>128177024
Coalburners BTFO.
>>128178187
Still expensive, still unreliable.

>>128177358
let me give you the reason
>nuclear reprocessing leads to proliferation of nuclear weapons
>nuclear weapons are the greatest existential threat to the world
>nuclear energy tends towards nuclear proliferation
>nuclear energy tends towards great worldwide existential threats

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>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
No
https://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/programs/energy-and-climate/nuclear-is-cheaper-than-solar-thermal
>endless leaks wherever you store it
They glassify spent fuel and other low level radioactive waste now, it's cannot be 'leaked'
>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
No one says that, except neo-con war hawks
>massive start up costs
Flat out no, but there are needless delays due to NIMBY idiots like you (you can jewgle this, but I know you won't)
>not profitable
Completely false (see pic for cost comparison)
Also nice sources faggot, go blow a lorax

>>128161992
>>meltdowns every couple of years, rendering miles of cities unlivable

this has only happened twice and once was due to the fact that the people running the plant were literal retards

If there's one thing I'm 100% for complete government Monopoly of is nuclear power. If nuclear has a real future, every nuclear facility needs to be run like TVA (state owned, but basically the DOE runs it). Put the people that are experts at operating them (TVA, LLNL, ORNL, LANL, etc.) in charge of research, design, and production. Make it part of your state or federal taxes to fund it. Since your nice enough to subsidize your own nuclear facilities, you get no power bill. Thoughts?

>>128178654
>it's cannot be 'leaked'
kek
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/nwp/sections/tankwaste/closure/pages/tank_leak_FAQ.html
enjoy

>>128178835
there literally is not enough smart people on the planet to run nuclear reactors safely
human stupidity knows no bounds and nearly all the previous failures are partially caused by human error.

see >>128178657

>>128161992
WIND WATER SOLAR ENERGY BTFO
>Solar and wind energy sources are intermittent.
>Energy storage cost assumptions of 0.8 cents/kWh are an order of magnitude too low.
>From 59% to 85% of energy demand must be “flexible” to adjust to supply availability.
>New electric generation nameplate capacity needs are 49,900 GW.
>Over 2.5 million wind turbines plus billions of rooftop solar systems must be built.
>Capital investments are $125 trillion.
>Electricity will cost 11 cents/kWh.
>New global public policies are needed to force adoption of expensive WWS power.

Compare that garbage to new Liquid Salt Reactors:
>Capital required for the LF roadmap to 2100 is $15 trillion rather than $125 trillion for WWS.
>LF electricity at 3 cents/kWh is much less expensive than WWS electricity at 11 cents/kWh.
>There is no need for most energy demand to be “flexible” to adapt to WWS availability.
>Subsidies are not needed for LF. Economic self interest drives demand for carbon-free electricity because it’s cheaper than coal.
https://atomicinsights.com/clean-doable-liquid-fission-lf-energy-roadmap-%E2%80%A8powering-world/
http://thorconpower.com/

Anti-progress, anti-science Liberals eternally BTFO.

>>128178898
>http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/nwp/sections/tankwaste/closure/pages/tank_leak_FAQ.html
You only point to one legacy storage site, quote more than one. Also you conveniently ignored the cost-chart I posted. Look at it, enjoy

>>128178191
Amesbury MA reporting in.

Go Pats.

>>128161992

Wind and solar can't relied on as output is affected by fucking weather. Hydropower is tapped to max in most places and fossil fuels aren't going to last forever. Nuclear is only low carbon emission option that provides steady output in most places. The thing is that fusion is still just a pipedream and uranium has it's own problems. Real sustainable energy solution is thorium breeder reactors, those are far more manageable than uranium reactors when it comes to waste.

>>128161992

Cuz I'm fuckin wit wind and underground compressed air energy storage until solar gets his shit together.

>>128179298
you nuclear wastelands love getting btfo dont you?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/27/cat-litter-blamed-for-240m-radiation-leak-at-new-mexico-nuclear-waste-dump

>>128161992
Obvious shill is obvious. Nuclear power is proof in and of itself that the environMENTAL movement is nothing more than a Jewish Communist plot to reduce the birthrate, satiate our desire for altruism, cause even more white guilt and enslave the first world to carbon credits.

RRSEARCH 4TH GEN NUCLEAR PLANTS. SAFER THAN ALL CURRENT FORMS OF POWRR EXCEPT HYDRO. WAY CHEAPER THAN COAL. FUEL FOR 10000 YEARS.

Don't let the niggers win, support nuclear innovation.

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>>128178898

What's present at Hanford is liquid waste from spent fuel reprocessing for plutonium production during the cold war.
It has nothing to do with nuclear power for electricity and isn't done in the US for fuel from commercial nuclear plants.

And the leaf is right. Waste from reprocessing is baked into glass in a process called vitrification. It's just that when Hanford was first put into operation, vitrification wasn't invented yet so the waste was stored in those tanks.

They're now building a vitrification plant to vitrify the old waste at hanford. (pic related)

>>128179926
Let's archive that

>https://theguardian com/environment/2015/mar/27/cat-litter-blamed-for-240m-radiation-leak-at-new-mexico-nuclear-waste-dump
https://archive.is/vqwF1

I am Nuclear Engineer

AMA

>>128180308
are you employed?

>>128179926
Oh no a leaking nuclear cask! I would much prefer a breached slurry pond!

>>128161992
>Establishing a plant is only costy
>Endless leaks maybe in incompetend burgertown
>meltdowns only in burgertown USA, Hiroshima because they are dumbfucks who don't consider that they are ON THE EDGE OF A TECTONIC PLATE and constant flooding.
>is actually vurnerable to terror attacks, true
>yes, it's pricy.
>It's abundant and abso-fucking lutely profitable.

I mean, imagine having ONE plant to maintain or 1000 windmills decentralized little dynamos to go at and over.

that's what i thought.

>>128176639
No worse than being an oil diver desu. The worst part would be the god awful boredom from being so far from civilization which is usually the complaint most people have with these remote energy jobs. Otherwise the biggest problems are the usual which is cost, construction, and security. A farm that huge would be virtually impossible to secure.

>>128179926
>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/mar/27/cat-litter-blamed-for-240m-radiation-leak-at-new-mexico-nuclear-waste-dump
Big deal eco-boy, it's in the middle of the desert. Face it you got BTFO in this thread and you are grasping at straws. Also I still get a response to the cost comparison posted, which clearly shows wind and solar are ridiculously expensive compared with nuclear, 290 million for a clean up is fuck all

>>128180601
Please use archive
>http://theguardian com/environment/2015/mar/27/cat-litter-blamed-for-240m-radiation-leak-at-new-mexico-nuclear-waste-dump
https://archive.is/vqwF1

>>128180308
can you post some actual numbers for electricity costs to show dumb blue sharia fucks how much more solar costs.

IIRC it used to be .4 c/kwh+transmission costs

Used to work in solar, its a fucking scam
Also , AMA anything you want about solar.

>>128180756
tell us why solar is a 'scam'

>>128180756
>post some actual numbers for electricity costs
pic right here, I copied it straight from jewpedia>>128178654
Wind and Solar BTFO

>>128180756
not him but see >>128179229

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>>128161992
NUCLEAR ENERGY BTFO
>"BTFO" by your "logic" and massive straw manning

>more expensive than solar, wind
But at the same time outputs literally thousands or even millions of times more energy than those, for producing the same amount of energy in solar or wind you need to spend a fuck ton of money.
Also maintenance of wind mills of expensive af
>endless leaks wherever you store it (see Hartford Nuclear Storage Facility)
You only named only ONE (1) incident, try again
>meltdowns every couple of years, rendering miles of cities unlivable
Only 2 meltdowns you faggot, Chernobyl and Fukushima, guess that happens when you let nips and slavs in charge.
France, UK, US, China are filled to the brim with nuclear power plants and nothing has happened
>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
Never happened, name one source of this, also the nuclear fuel used in these reactors cannot possibly be converted into nukes, at least the terrorists don't have the technology nor knowledge to do so
>massive start up costs
Sources?
>not profitable
Literally one of the most profitable ones, France gets around 85%+ of their energy this way and it sells it to other countries, getting massive revenue

>>128161992
Nuclear is the only worthwhile option.
Solar and wind are fucking pointless. Nuclear has greater possibilities than anything else.
Why do you hate space travel OP?

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>>128181115

>tell us why solar is a 'scam'

>>128163013
literally the most fair and balanced out of any major news source in the world. Yes the world. As in BBC btfo you dirty paki.
>see recent Harvard(the same guys that hate Trump) study of Trump coverage by major news sources of the world

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>>128161992
Nuclear physicist here, here's some facts about nuclear energy :

>For same amount of power generated it's way much cheaper than "" clean"" energy

>It's safest energy source ever created ( safer than wind turbines)

>1KG of uranium particle can generate more energy than 1 ton of Coal

>Generates more energy for less money

>Less carbon emissions

Etc... Etc...

>what about the leftovers
They are buried deep underground, where even in nature we can find radioactive caves deep underground, so it's safe deposit

>what about Chernobyl / Fukushima

There are thousands of nuclear plans around the world, working 24/7.
One (Soviet) nuclear plant exploded because the guys working there took too much vodka and were incompetent.
The only one is that Nips are too stupid thinking that cooling nuclear core with open sea water was a great Idea.

>>128181634
Because you have to put this fugly panels on your house, which inevitably end up covered in moss, forcing you to purchase nuclear power from France.

- Germany

>>128178616
Nuclear energy is the baseline energy of the future. Everything else is simply an augmentation to it. Reprocess the spent fuel instead of storing it in casks waiting for it to naturally decay.

>>128178202
Weird, I remember reading an article about it, but I can't find it right now. I might be bullshitting on this one.
>>128179926
So? What about lithium mines?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50rXYrFCQMw
Or rare earths mines?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution
Everything is polluting, including your "green" tech. If you want to live a hippy dream of harmony with nature, anarcho-primitivism is your only way.
What's it gonna be, climate change or a few leaks and dirty industries here and there?
>>128180653
For what purpose? t. newfag

>>128161992
Solar and nuclear shouldn't be competitors you dumb ass nigger. Solar is great but can't be used everywhere or at all times, which is why you need something that can put out 24/7 to supplement it. You can either pick from gas, coal, or nuclear, and only one of those options doesn't put out carbon dioxide.

>>128182016
Shekel status: denied
>https://youtube com/watch?v=50rXYrFCQMw
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=50rXYrFCQMw
>https://theguardian com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution
https://archive.is/YsNII

>>128161992
Retard
The nuclear power plant in Mexico generates more power than the largest solar farm in the world.
And it has been running non stop since the 90s in a shithole.

Go inform yourself.

>>128180417
>no reply
KEK nuclearfags unemployed losers confirmed!

>>128182016
>For what purpose? t. newfag
Deny advertising revenue and analytics. Typically used to link to click bait articles written by retard authors.

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>>128181634
Somebody needs to show this to the jobman.
>>128182043
I have adblock anyway.

>>128174491
that infographic might be the most retarded thing I've ever read on 4chan

the Japanese, who don't have a nuclear arsenal, chose to destroy a partially melted down nuclear core with a nuclear weapon

>>128182355
It's ok I'm sure he'll find a job soon ...

>Employment of nuclear engineers is projected to decline 4 percent from 2014 to 2024

oh ...

>>128182889
and the evidence is the shape of a cloud, because only nuclear bombs produce mushroom clouds ...

>>128163848

This isn't true if you include building costs. If you include the cost of building, nuclear costs far more.

>>128182019
Uhm you can sweetie, you just have to put them in extremely remote locations and run powerlines from coast to coast. Economically feasible plus you save earth!

>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind

Lie.

>>128183276
dont forget the cost of storing the waste forever~
remember that the bill goes to the taxpayers~

>>128183321
If we ever discover room temperature superconductors then what you described could actually become feasible at some point. A worldwide power grid isn't as far fetched as it sounds, but until then we have to rely on (relatively) local sources of power.

>>128167832
The nuclear industry is degenerate. Mutations, cancers, and unparalleled destruction of the human genome for some energy?

FOH with your degeneracy.

>>128181831
>safest energy source ever created

Are you fucking serious? Maybe for workers, but for the rest of us? No, it's not.

>>128182019
(Modern) coal and nuclear aren't flexible, and neither are the more efficient gas plants.
>>128183276
Include cost of installation, transmission and backup or storage for wind/solar and suddenly it's 10 times more expensive than anything else.
>>128183321
Germans also bulshitted everyone about smart grids and connecting the whole Europe. Then they ended up with this
http://notrickszone.com/2017/05/03/uncontrolled-infusion-of-green-electricity-leads-to-record-breaking-negative-power-prices

>>128184132
you get more radiation from coalfire power plants than you ever will from nuclear plants

>>128184351
when solar goes wrong
>electricity literally costs negative money, creating a post-scarcity world of electricity

when nuclear goes wrong
>massive ecological and human disaster that costs billions to clean up

hmmm

>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
I'm pretty sure 100% solar would be more expensive than 100% nuclear, because then they would actually have to worry about energy storage, unlike now, when they can just increase the output of coal and nuclear plants when solar output goes down.
>vulnerable to terrorist / military attacks
This is a retarded meme, there have never been any terrorist attacks on nuclear plants for a reason. Terrorists can wreak much more havoc using conventional methods for the same amount of effort it would take to carry out an attack on a nuclear plant, so naturally, they don't do it. As for the military part, a land invasion on US soil would be retarded, since they have a gorillion nuclear weapons. Any country that attacked them would commit suicide.

>>128184351
Geothermal works, imagine how much we can do, or Italy.

It's ridiculous to not be researching heavily on that.

>>128166094
>Ukraine
>2+2
Wat?

>>128181115
Basically you won't get more then a kw/m2 of sunlight anywhere on earth and semiconductors to harness that are expensive

take your 1/kw and multiply by cell efficiency (about 15-20% for most commercial silicon cells). Thats not very much power.

The same problem exists with wind, tidal etc in that while there are huge forces involved, per m2 (or energy density to be more exact) are very low while the equipment costs are very high.

Furthermore, the input costs of the material needed to make any solar cells are very high.
And they do involve waste, huge amounts of water etc which seem to be conveniently unaccounted for when the reddit lefty types scream about global warming.

Everyone in this industry is always looking for subsedies, hand outs, some government program etc so all the costs (both financial and environmental) are very obscured.

The same with the environmental impact. Just the water to keep those huge installations clean is an issue.

If you have some new bland developments around you, take a look at the solar panels they slap on top. They need to point in a certain direction for optimal efficiency and there are very detailed maps showing that , based on where you live or have trakers. All the new installs I see are just slapped wherever.

Solar cells used to be called solar batteries, and if you think of them as large batteries which give you power for a long time in a remote place they make a lot more sense.
Say you want power on your cabin or some remote installation or give people in pooland access to internet and a light and a toilet so they can be civilized then solar makes sense.

For a large industrialized country which requires huge amounts of electricity its suicide.

>>128161992
If the UK's Fusion experiment manages to produce more energy than was needed to heat the fucker up in 2018, Nuclear power will be obsolete in about a decade anyway. Germany, Sweden and even China got experiments running to, its a race to design the cheapest, most efficient, and most environmentally safe form of energy ever conceived.

If it works you could forget about nuclear, solar, wind, coal, natural gas, geothermal and tidal power. It'd make them all look like dinosaurs. Why? Because we could use sea water for fuel in the form of deuterium. If the fusion experiment works than basically 1 cup of sea water would produce the equivalent energy of 1 barrel of oil.

Sad that Trump isn't interested in green energy, guess the states three fusion experiments are just going to collect dust now letting some other country basically win the race.

>>128186279
EMC2's Robert Bossard said he could build a polywell for $250 million, which considering whats involved is dirt cheap. That was in 2007.

Obama's cronies got almost $500 mil for solyndra and they barely attempted anything

Tell us again who is anti-science?
If we got some cuck like bernie all plasma experiments would be shut down tomorrow.

fusion isn't simple or cheap, its a game with an entry level ticket of hundreds of millions of dollars.

While solar scammers got hundreds of millions, fusion power has been called witchcraft and its supporters ostracized.

>>128184752
Nuclear went wrong 2 times in history, not once in the country most reliant on it (France)
Solar goes wrong all the time in Germany (world's solar superpower).
Hmmm.
>>128184924
There's very few places where it works cheaply. Deep boreholes are interesting, but probably way too expensive. Though probably a much better investment than wind and solar.
Funny fact, geothermal produces some low level radioactive waste, because it uses the decay energy of uranium and thorium (and their daughters) that are deep in the Earth.
http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/radioactive-waste-discovered-a-reykjanes-peninsula-geothermal-power-plant
>>128184976
Old data probably. Two units at Khmelnitskiy NPP and two planned somewhere else. Rosataom pulled out after Crimea. They looked for a contract with China, no idea if it ended in anything.

>>128186106
>remote cabin
Panels were stolen after a month.

>>128186869
>fusion isn't simple or cheap, its a game with an entry level ticket of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Damn straight its not simple, the experiment running the UK took decades to concieve since they had to figure out how to get up to a million degrees without destroying the housing, eventually they settled on superconductors and charged plasma but that comes at a cost, the superconductors need to be kept near absolute zero to keep their superconductivity and that in itself requires an insane amount of power and that level has to be maintained at all times otherwise the superconductors lose their superconductivity, containment is lost and the system shuts down, requiring a year to fire it up again.

Its why I'm skeptical the experiment will bear fruit Tbh.

As to not being cheap you lowballed the figure, the experiment in the UK cost 10 billion USD, not 500 thousand.

You might be thinking of the Tritium design which yes is a lot cheaper but also is a hell of a lot more dangerous since any oxygen exposure during the experiment would create radioactive water which as a vapor would kill you fucking dead.

>>128187978
500 million*

>>128187978
Shouldn't the amount of tritium be minuscule?

>>128187800
Well, I said TRY to bring civilization.

>>128187978
First fusion reactor was the TOKAMAK built by Andrei Saharov in the USSR in the 1960s.

For all the money wasted on solar we could have been a lot further ahead now.

>>128188409
I'm rather sceptical of fusion. So much promise, with no effect. Always seems 10 years away from now (much like global warming apocalypse).

>>128184752
Solar has killed orders of magnitude more people than nuclear

>>128188347
For the experiment yes, but a scaled up reactor would require a lot more. Problem is, tritium is very hard to come by since it doesn't occur naturally cept in the atmosphere and thus very expensive. Most of it is locked up in nuclear weapons as well and I doubt the US would want to start sacrificing nukes to power cities.

>>128161992
>liberals pass hundreds of laws designed to gimp nuclear energy
>see this is proof that nuclear energy is horrible

Fucking retard. Nuclear energy is the future but libshits are terrified of it because its not "green"

>>128188774
its more then 10 years, however if you track things like plasma density it has improved at the rate of moore's law.

Its something that certainly needs R&D but don't expect it any time soon. However, when it does work it will unlock many great things.

>>128188894
if you seriously think some mexishit roofer who knew the risks slipping and falling off a roof is equivalent to an innocent person who tried to stop the plant from being built dying of cancer due to a radiation leak youre a moron

>>128161992

Wasting all this money playing games when all we need to do is run an electrical wire to the sun and plug it in

>>128188774

It's been a mere 20 years away for the last 60 years.

Sixty years in which we could have been building fission infrastructure, but no let's skip fission because fusion will be muh miracle power source any day now.

>>128188988
I remember some propositions of fusion breeders that would produce tritium of other hydrogen isotopes. Haven't paid much attention to that.
We had Megatons to Megawatts already.
>>128189414
>cancer due to a radiation leak
Except thyroid cancers after Chernobyl, there were no cancer related deaths caused directly by NPPs.

>>128164610
Those pieces of crap also produce a shitton of pollutants in the manufacturing process and create huge open-pit mines for Rare Earth Metals.

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>>128189549
Why haven't we thought of this before?

>>128189807
>Except thyroid cancers after Chernobyl,
kek
>there were no cancer related deaths caused directly by NPPs.
unverifiable
also
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/fukushima-evacuation-has-killed-more-earthquake-tsunami-survey-says-f8C11120007

>>128190034
thyroid cancer has like 95% survival rate

>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/fukushima-evacuation-has-killed-more-earthquake-tsunami-survey-says-f8C11120007
this is complete bullshit

>>128190034
You've just admitted that an evacuation induced by widespread fear of radiation killed more people than radiation (0) and the earthquake that destroyed the reactor.
The number of cancers were not that huge, the lethal cases very small. Much more people die from other technological accidents.

>>128190777
except the evacuation was not irrational at all you retard

>build nuclear plan
>it breaks
>have to evacuate the town
>deaths related to evacuate dont count because reasons!!!

>>128190942
Your article on these "deaths" has no source
It links to a non-existent website

try harder

>>128190942
> as the troll gets more desperate, his spelling and grammar begin to deteriorate

>>128168664
>cannot be kill switched by a kike botnet tier false flag.
yes it can.

>>128161992
>sun goes down
>wind intermittently stops blowing
>nuclear keeps producing power
>also produces orders of magnitude more power per station

How much longer til you suicide greenfag? Your dreams will never come true.

>>128192056
Just because the Iranians were retarded enough to leave USB ports available to use in their reactors doesn't mean everyone else does.

>>128191777
Trips of truth

>>128161992
>more expensive than solar, wind
Solar and wind are so inefficient compared to nuclear its not even comparable

>>128183021
>forty fucking seven posts
>replying to yourself
Take a fucking break

>>128190777
We are just more use to itnow, back then there was many seemingly rational fears, before people really understood the effects of radiation, but we had to go through Chernobyl to understand those risks in the first place.

>windmills

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

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>>128161992
>>more expensive than solar, wind

>>128161992

>More expensive than solar, wind
>Anything

Wind is so expensive and inefficient, it might actually be cheaper to pay people to pedal a stationary bike constantly to produce power.

>>128161992
All false, fuck off retard.

>>128167077
There is a major chemical refinery not far (3 Miles) from my house, the area I live is in the top ten for "Most amount of underground piping" in the world.
If that plant went kaboom, "And it very nearly did several years ago". The explosion would be comparable to Hiroshima.
Oil is just as dangerous as nuke.

>>128161992
citations needed hippie faggot

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>>128173537
50 years early

>>128183021
>>128182355
>hes too busy working to reply, but that means hes unemployed guise!
autism in its truest form.