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This board is awash with threads of how "pointless" the Paris agreement is. How can Americans miss the point so hard? Sure, climate change defenders usually do it because it's "cool" or they get paid, but that's no excuse to be stupid on the other side.
The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
Over the last historical period, that of US imperial dominance, the US and it's close sphere (western Europe) have appropriated a large amount of wealth from the rest of the world. That's all fine and good, only niggers and sad liberals really blame you for that, but it's caused a situation of imbalance that can only be solved by sharing wealth, so they are able to detach themselves from polluting industry without dying from huger.
Now, whether climate change is what it's said to be and whether it's man-made is up for debate. But you people seem to be stuck on "hurr it's a stupid agreement it only gives money to India and China and does nothing for climate change".
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>>128143176
Because liberals swore up and down that it was about the environment and not a welfare scheme.
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>>128143332
Also if its a welfare scheme, be up front about that so we can make fun of how much is sucks at that by transferring money from the US to Russia and China who don't really fucking need it.
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>>128143176
No moar gibs, so sad :(
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>>128143176
America is done for
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>>128143176
>While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
Fuck off. Stop promoting out of control nigger breeding and maybe then I'll believe you're serious about the environment.
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>>128143332
>>128143472
It is a wellfare scheme, if you want to put that way.
More precisely its an imperial restructuring scheme. The most successful white empire of all-time, the Romans, had several periods where too much wealth was concentrated around Rome. So they had to either spread it to their conquered territories, or risk death. Same thing is happening to you. It's a very simple historical inevitability.
>>128143481
We don't get gibs.
>>128143518
The fuck
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>>128143864
That's what i thought. Stupid nigger
Pouring money into developing countries so that they can make more people and more industry isn't going to decrease global carbon emissions.
The way to decrease global carbon emissions is by controlling the population of rapidly breeding niggers.
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>>128144045
What the fuck are you literally on about
What niggers and how am I in any way related to that
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues.
How do I benefit from giving foreign countries 100 billion a year? How do I know that it's actually going to anything related to climate issues and not just buying some third world dictator a third yacht?
>Over the last historical period, that of US imperial dominance, the US and it's close sphere (western Europe) have appropriated a large amount of wealth from the rest of the world.
Every country does that, the west is just good at it. If the tables turned, the east wouldn't do it back.
>it's caused a situation of imbalance that can only be solved by sharing wealth, so they are able to detach themselves from polluting industry without dying from huger.
Why would I want to solve that imbalance?
You seem to have a lot of arguments based around things that have absolutely nothing to do with climate and would not benefit westerners in any way.
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>>128144198
America is done for, europeans should turn their eyes east
China can cure your refugee problem where america can only worsen it
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>>128143864
And so now we're back to making fun of you for wanting an agreement that transfers wealth from the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 10th largest economies and gives it to the 2nd, 7th, and 9th largest economies, just counting the top 10.
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I think when the dust settles we'll all see that america is on the wrong side of history on this one.
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>>128143176
Because welfare doesn't work.
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>>128143176
Yes let's send money to the UN to fund even more 3rd world shit skins no thanks.
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>>128144262
>How do I benefit from giving foreign countries 100 billion a year? How do I know that it's actually going to anything related to climate issues and not just buying some third world dictator a third yacht?
Because you're not really funding third world countries with dictators here. You watch too many movies. Also you're not transferring a lump sum to the bank account of a country.
>Every country does that, the west is just good at it. If the tables turned, the east wouldn't do it back
The "west" (I'm assuming we are talking about the current period of US dominance) is quite bad at imperialism actually. Even the Turks lasted longer than you are right now. Even they had periods of transferring wealth and such.
>Why would I want to solve that imbalance?
Because your comfort and standard of life still depends on leeching from the rest of the world. If you don't help stop pollution, it's your own wealth you lose.
If you have to pay a million to gain two, would you? There is no fairy tale answer where you get your cake and eat it too.
>>128144406
Economy size doesn't mean dick squat.
If you don't know which statistics to use, don't even try.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues
Then they should apply for foreign aid. The US gives out tons of it every year. We don't need some shell game keeping us on the hook for it.
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>>128144364
China's just a developing country according to the paris accord. They have a long way to go before they can play with the big boys apparently.
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>>128145131
Watch the links i posted
>>128143504
You trumpniggers are actually pushing the US backwards, not that I really mind imho
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>>128144856
Wasn't trump gonna stop funding the UN and other international US organisations?
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>>128143176
It takes money from the US and spreads out around to unappreciative shit tier countries. Fuck that. AGTOW
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>>128145305
china dominates dick squat. They just steal tech from the west.
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>>128145517
Keep that attitude up and youll wake up to WA and CA becoming chinese states
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>>128144198
>stupid can't read
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>>128145452
Merkel's disgusting old man panties are all wadded up over his NATO comments. Thing is, he's not wrong. EU niggers always got a hand out for dem gibs. At least Aus is like your good buddy at the bar who will always punch first when you start shit.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
So it's communism on a global scale?
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>>128145658
>WA and CA becoming chinese states.
The beginning of the end for china.
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>>128144262
>How do I benefit from giving foreign countries 100 billion a year?
Assuming your goal is to reduce global carbon emissions, it makes sense to apply funds where they will have the most effect. Emissions standards in the U.S. are already quite high. Standards in developing nations are much lower. So you could spend $1million on a U.S. plant to reduce emissions by a further 2%, or you could spend that same million on a factory in Chad and reduce their emissions by 70%.
Again, this works on the assumption that your own goal is to reduce carbon emissions. If you don't give a fuck, then $100 billion spent elsewhere is to your detriment.
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>>128145081
>Because you're not really funding third world countries with dictators here. You watch too many movies. Also you're not transferring a lump sum to the bank account of a country.
We are not talking about Bulgaria in particular, we're talking about developing countries in general. I have no idea how that money is going to be apportioned, and neither do you.
>The "west" (I'm assuming we are talking about the current period of US dominance) is quite bad at imperialism actually. Even the Turks lasted longer than you are right now. Even they had periods of transferring wealth and such.
That only makes me want to globally redistribute even less.
>Because your comfort and standard of life still depends on leeching from the rest of the world. If you don't help stop pollution, it's your own wealth you lose.
We pay for everything we get overseas. Besides, all you're saying is we should give them some money in order to make them richer so we can leech more from them. In order for me to think that's a good idea, you have to prove that a wealth redistribution scheme to developing countries is actually going to make leeching off of the more profitable. Which of course is a completely ridiculous question because we pay for all that shit.
I don't even need to argue whether global wealth redistribution is a good idea at this point because you haven't even thought this concept through.
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>>128145785
>absorbing the heartland of US tech is the end of china
Lmao
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>>128143176
So basically what you're telling us, OP, is that the Paris agreement was a lie, never had anything to do with climate, and was always about socialistic welfare for backwards nations of brown retards. Yes, I think we all figured that out, and that's why we are happy it was abandoned.
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>>128145081
>Economy size doesn't mean dick squat.
Cool, new agreement then. You all send all your money to the US and we'll 'totally solve' Climate Change for you.
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>>128143176
Why the fuck should we share our wealth. Fuck you. The only good commie is a dead commie. Come get some.
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>>128143176
Fuck off SJW cuck you're on the wrong board
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Shouldn't the biggest polluters spend the money on themselves first rather then giving it to countries that pollute little?
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>>128145906
>Absorbing the cancer epicenter
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>>128145906
CA and WA will turn china into an open borders faggot parade.
China doesn't have the constitutional strength that we do in the US.
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>>128143176
practically speaking there was no reason for the americans to stay in the agreement. the decision to leave was a right one -- they stand to gain everything and lose nothing.
the greatest advantage the americans have isn't their military, economy or soft power -- it's geography. they can afford to withdraw from the world if they choose and wouldn't be any worse off for it. there isn't anything in the rest of the world that can't be obtained in the western hemisphere.
what they've done is pulled the rug out from under europe's feet. without american money, power and influence these agreements have no legs. you admit it as much by acknowledging american hegemony. i doubt very much that germany can subsidize the chinese solar panel industry in the same way the americans could.
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>>128145081
Are you a communist and or in Antifa? What is your political ideology?
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>>128146633
This anon is correct.
If the treaty is so important why dont China, Germany etc just put in the extra money that America would?
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>>128143176
Holy shit, I'd expect more from you.
But we'll say it one more fucking time. Handing money to Jewish oligarchs never has and never will solve a single fucking thing. Get it through your thick fucking head.
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Trumps whole point is that regardless of the motives of the rich people who don't feel the impact of this, there are millions of people out of work or underemployed due to NAFTA and environmental programs to shift wealth and jobs out of the country.
While rich trust-fund people find this philanthropic and "good", it really sucks for average people trying to find a living wage.
Trump basically is saying "Fuck your Global Welfare Program".
I would rather have great jobs and a booming economy than niggers living it up on my nations wealth.
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>>128145094
Your foreign aid goes to NGOs that promote pro-US and anti-Russian propaganda or ends up in your own big corporations' overseas branch.
Every retard knows this.
>>128145739
I wasn't aware I got any gibs. I'll go ask my US owned bank if the 200 euro salary got increased because my glorious imperial overlords decided to give some of their profits back.
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>>128143864
lmao
>if you outcompete your competitors, they win, because you have to make yourself less competitive so they can catch up because if they get too far behind you they will destroy you.
liberal logic.
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>>128144512
And I think in a week or two, those around you will believe that you're a fucking faggot leaf nigglett
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Goddamn Bulgaria got utterly and completely rekt in this thread. Pack it up folks, nothing left to see here but a smoldering corpse.
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>>128145658
And we care because why again....?
Poster doesn't realize most Americans would just rather the west coast fall off into the ocean
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>>128145889
>We are not talking about Bulgaria in particular, we're talking about developing countries in general. I have no idea how that money is going to be apportioned, and neither do you.
Nor does any accord or agreement or whatever guarantee that. In the end, nothing does. So climate change global action boils down to this - risk it or do nothing.
The very ugly truth is that you losing money is about as effective as someone else gaining it.
>We pay for everything we get overseas
Lel this is so deeply untrue. You pay the price you yourself have set. What you get from developing countries is largely bought from your own corporations who use foreign labour to drive prices down, while keeping to lower standards and salaries. That's why it's funny you think trump keeping American jobs in America is to your benefit. It'll be hilarious when you can't afford an iPhone with your entire yearly salary.
>all you're saying is we should give them some money in order to make them richer so we can leech more from them
You're going off into the wrong direction. Let me give you a hint - Germany, one of the worst empires in history, took over the EU almost entirely around 2008 or so (being largely in control from around 2005, overpowering France). It started amassing large trade surpluses from Eastern Europe and leeching off us all to artificially maintain itself like you do. So it made the EU gibs.
The idea is that you spend all your money in the Lidl and buying German tech and cars in prices determined by their Euro, but then Hans takes pity and gives back enough so you can afford food and water to keep buying.
It's not for more profit, it's feeding your cattle so you can keep milking it.
Tell me, do ranchers not pay profit from milk for veterinarians when their cows are sick?
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>>128146024
You're on the wrong website, sheep.
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>>128147140
China doesn't have any real "wealth". Germany is your creation. I agree with what you say about them.
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>>128147145
Your president is a Jewish puppet.
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>>128147164
It's gonna be funny when you discover globalism was only ever in your benefit and against all the rest of us. When the size of a living wage gets higher and higher and you the standard stops dropping.
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>>128147298
We propped your country up. Go sit in a corner.
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>>128147372
Didn't say that.
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>>128147787
Nice rebbit style comment, faggot.
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>>128143504
>the nigger who killed more chinks than the japs killed in ww2 have his face stamped in their cash
communism lads
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>>128148530
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Your global "utopia" will not work out that way.
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>>128145889
>>Because your comfort and standard of life still depends on leeching from the rest of the world. If you don't help stop pollution, it's your own wealth you lose.
This is a LIE. If you believe this public school drivel, you need to do some research.
Africa is fucked because Blacks are stupid, violent and impulsive. With all their natural resources, they should have wealthy nations, but nigs gotta nig, so they stay primitive.
The Islamic world is backward, closed-minded and riddled with mutilation and psychotic sectarian violence. We fear them because they are dangerous, inbred and will not abandon their shit ideology. Their economies only exist because of oil.
The West is KING because of protestant Christianity and English Common Law. That is the best formula on Earth for higher IQ peoples to live in peace and prosperity.
Only uninformed lefties believe we "stole" everything from ignant-ass niggahs.
I suppose you think Islam is true and Africans built the pyramids with telepathy?
Get based in reality before spewing your shit.
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>>128148565
>We propped your country up
You haven't done shit for us. We would have been better off without you.
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>>128148278
Unfortunately we need to apologize to you for that Germany thing
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>>128143176
I agree but you must understand that /pol/ is filled with literal autist and diehard Trumplet supporters. They are incapable, from a religious standpoint, of criticizing their president.
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>>128143176
>can only be solved by sharing wealth
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>>128148530
globalism was never in my benefit. globalism is why I can't afford a fucking home because the 1% in china buys up all the property in America and speculates it. globalism just helps the 1% of every country on the globe and fucks all the remaining people.
I'll give up some fake plastic junk imports so I can afford a fucking home and fucking family. we don't NEED plastic junk, but the trade dominated by plastic junk makes the stuff we do need impossible unless you're fucking rich as fuck by selling plastic junk.
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>>128148762
Are you a communist? You sound like a giant leftypol faggot that should be gassed.
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>>128148530
that claim has no basis in reality. what's good for jew bankers isn't good for the american people.
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>>128148723
I'm not a globalist, my country is totally fucked by globalism. Destroying it would benefit me immensely.
It's just funny it'll come from those who benefit from it, while they think it's in their favor.
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>>128143176
>Every western nation between 2 trillion to 20 trillion in debt
Yeah it sounds smart to borrow money you don't have to give to people that will abuse it.
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>>128149001
Liberal Shill, again.
Why are these shills so determined to ship jobs offshore and kill our economy so global warming/cooling/whatever it is today - will be fixed?
Anyone who disagrees with global welfare is a Nazi.... These leftists cannot be that stupid. I'm sure they are being paid or getting college credit.
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gotta luv all the 4chan phaggots like op claiming climate-change is debatable and some kind of welfare scheme.
shows ZERO understanding of economics or the paris agreements in general.
the public ALREADY pays the effects of climate change, but in the form of externalities.
this was just a step in getting the corporations causing the pollution to become accountable, instead of shifting the cost to the general public.
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>>128148762
Yes. You could have some communist utopia controlled by Russia
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>>128149370
Take straight from a college course where the Marxist prof is screwing this poster in the butthole for college credit.
Nobody can honestly believe this perspective.
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>>128149370
> the public ALREADY pays the effects of climate change
Can you quantify this is any meaningful way without just taking the dollars done in damage from weather events and attributing it 100% to climate change?
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>>128148751
You didn't steal shit from Africa. It was mostly France, the Netherlands and Belgium. And it wasn't stealing, it was conquering. No one gives a shit. However:
>The West is KING because of protestant Christianity and English Common Law. That is the best formula on Earth for higher IQ peoples to live in peace and prosperity
That must be a fucking joke. The west is as prosperous now because of its military power and conquering. Jack shit comes from "high IQ" and "good laws". Have you never picked up a history book?
>I suppose you think Islam is true and Africans built the pyramids with telepathy?
I am extremely racist and quit my high paying job in the Netherlands for exactly 16 times less pay because there were too many subhuman niggers and mudslimes around me.
Don't be a retard.
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>>128149370
Gotta luv these commie retards that wants to give 1st world money to 3rd world niggers
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>>128144364
>china can cure refugee problems
>imports chinese workers everywhere they invest
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>>128149001
That's not true. I'm upset Trump isn't doing more to punish sanctuary cities and keep islamic radicals out. I'm upset he hasn't directed anger at states that are openly violating the 2nd and 1st amendment.
The man is far from infallible, but the Paris Climate Agreement is nothing more than a money laundering scam for banks that want to treat carbon footprints as a liquid asset.
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Global Warming is really the intersectionality of relationship blending; the true synthesis of environmental perspectives and honest yet mild resource shifting to the clearly more deserving.
Translation: We have a complicated, charity-minded excuse for taking more of your shit and giving it to 3rd World turds who will breed like rabbits, turn jihadi, and come to America.
FTFY
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shows u have ZERO understanding on economics.
marxism has nothing to do with any of this.
you can quantify it as externalities, like pollution.
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>>128149100
I'm right wing and have voted right most of my life, plebbitora. But when we were freed from Russian commie slavery, you replaced it with western slavery that managed to somehow be just as bad.
>>128149420
Or you know, wait until it collapses and become the prosperous, free nation we were for the glorious few years between empires like Russia and yours jerking us around.
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>>128148751
>I am a senior in high school who still lives with mommy: the post
SAD
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>>128149633
Wasn't the west able to conquer because of advanced technology and tactics which require smarts to invent?
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>>128149633
You're winning me over with all that sweet talk. Niggers are a scourge and to the victor go the spoils.
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>>128149633
You're a ShariaBlue proxyfag and you live in Baltimore.
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>>128149633
Sorry, wrong again, nipplehead.
The West is great because of the systems of belief that allowed it to advance economically. Put down your comic books and read history.
If conquering power was all it took, Rome would still be in power and little turds like you would still be sucking nigger dick for a pat on the head.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
It takes money our of the pocket of the working class. And the US was paying for it go look at the list of contributions and show me china.
Its was a shit deal so liberals can spend other peoples money.
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>>128149793
Saudis should pay the tax on it since they're the one profiting off the oil.
When you get them to pay, maybe I'll think about supporting the idea.
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>>128150023
If we're not careful, the West will fall in the same way Rome did. Through insane decadence purchased on credit and irreverence for the safety of its own people.
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gotta luv all the shills claiming economic theory is some kind of conspiracy.
unless you pin a cost on pollution, the oil industry will not attempt to control it.
but please, tell us how this is all an attempt to steal jobs from white people.
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>>128143176
>While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
Shut the fuck up, nigger.
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>>128143864
>So they had to either spread it to their conquered territories, or risk death. Same thing is happening to you. It's a very simple historical inevitability.
We have a large amount of America that can benefit from that first. This is about people who dont care that the American working class is getting robbed so that liberals can give money away.
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You seem to think artificially propping up third world countries with wealth transfers from first world countries is both virtuous and effective. What happens when the money runs out? My guess is all the "aid" will go to building up infrastructure that multinational oil and mineral companies will find useful while allowing the locals to live exactly like they did before, but with more runoff pollution.
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All the anger here is from the lefties pissed off that productive people aren't giving their money away.
Pretty simple. Dummies want our money...
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>>128150269
Actually the oil and auto industry has been dealing with it through free market solutions. The biggest driver for fuel efficient cars has been the raising cost of oil due to shortages.
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anything you change the laws, you are redistributing wealth. its not about protecting interests, its about making something sustainable
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>>128149976
The west isn't stupid, it has smarts, but it's prosperity isn't based on high IQ nonetheless.
>>128150013
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>>128149902
You're right wing but you want to redistribute money to globally? Sure thing.
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>>128145906
CA tech is dying.
And you will be absorbing maximum liberal cancer.
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>>128150023
Have you actually read history past the last 200 years? Educate yourself and dont spout shit based on Wikipedia.
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>>128145831
The assumption of course is that Chad will use the funds to reduce emissions. But why would they? Why not do what US states do, take the money and use it elsewhere so they can go back and ask for it again next year. And again and again and again.
If you really want a fix then use tariffs on goods produced from polluting factories.
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>>128143176
Take money out of Civilization to give to barbarians who will never develop, great idea, what could go wrong
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>>128151066
>If you really want a fix then use tariffs on goods produced from polluting factories.
That would be racist, anon. There's no way 3rd worlders could compete with western first world standards :^)
shitlord
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>>128150893
I was only just arguing about you people missing the point of the agreement when you say it has nothing to do with the environment, but then dozens of plebbit monkeys chimped the fuck out at me so I'm just shaking my head about how my favorite board is dead and buried now.
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>>128151161
>barbarians
The chinese?
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the problem is all the old motherfuckers who dont understand tech are running the planet. they dont give a shit about the environment and they spread lies like humans do not affect the climate.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
CO2 affects climate.
humans produce tons more CO2.
therefore, humans affect climate.
not that fucking hard to understand.
you want proof?
what about how anarctica is turning green?
what about the approaching coastlines that are causing fla and other states/countries to have to rebuild roads and shift infastrcture.
the trees are growing higher latitude than ever before. they are blooming sooner.
the planets temp had been rising, the highest temp been in the last decade.
the proof is everywhere if you dont make up your mind before you even consider it.
are you impervious to independently verifiable facts?
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>>128151279
Because in America the agreement is billed as fighting climate change and redistributing taxpayer cash is not mentioned. That is why Americans are bitching about it not doing anything for climate change. Right now liberals all saying Trump just doomed the world to climate change like this would have done something to stop it.
Liberals will not admit this was a redistribution scheme just like health care.
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>>128148104
>The very ugly truth is that you losing money is about as effective as someone else gaining it.
No it isn't. Take an economics class.
>You pay the price you yourself have set.
You pay the price the person who owns it wants to sell it for. If you don't own your own natural resources that's not our problem. Take it up with the person who sold them. We don't get dividends from "our" corporations unless we buy their stock.
a>The idea is that you spend all your money in the Lidl and buying German tech and cars in prices determined by their Euro, but then Hans takes pity and gives back enough so you can afford food and water to keep buying.
Which is an idea we could debate if you could prove it would be worth spending 100+ billion a year to give welfare to these people in order for them to buy those things. I'll save you the time though. It may be if you're an American corporation selling that particular good, it definitely isn't if you're just an American citizen.
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>>128149902
Our Western "soft" power has results as bad as any Russian "hard" power, thats true. Great book on this by Legutko, the Demon in Democracy. But the "wealth redistribution" bullshit is part of that soft power act, its not actually a solution. A bunch of cosmopolitan technocrats gorging themselves on the public purse is not going to help you, or anyone.
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>>128151361
The Chinese don't need reparations, they've done fine as is. In fact they've realized that what the West did to the world was a pretty sweet gig; watch Empire of Dust
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I really don't get what the big deal with agreement is.
I was under the impression that it's purely a symbolic agreement, there are no actual regulations in it, every country does whatever the fuck they want with it. So how the hell is it putting the US at a disadvantage?
No jewing here, legit curious.
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>>128148278
China has lots of wealth. They just have zero guilt about how they amassed it. So they can't be shook down the way western nations can.
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>>128145831
We could just work to bring manufacturing back to first world countries, were we have good environmental protections in place already.
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>>128151529
There is no proof that we are causing even half of climate change. And right now we are in cooling period. People constantly lie about the effects of carbon here we have been listening to bullshit for 50 years that has not come true. So now the public is conditioned to ignore it.
Plus the liberals constantly try to use it in order to do something else. Like pretending this agreement was going to stop climate change while it was really just about using tax payer cash for something else.
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>>128151786
The agreement calls for harsher regulations on developed countries like the US.
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>>128151529
>Antarctica turning green
>bad
I for one welcome a new age of colonization and expansion.
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>>128151806
Define wealth.
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we are not in a cooling period.
bold faced lie.
this isnt a political "left v right".
there needs to be a price on pollution so the burden is placed on the pollutor instead of the general public.
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>>128151852
If you produced goods on home turf, you wouldn't be able to afford cars, phones or toys.
Not that that's a bad thing.
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>>128152056
>there needs to be a price on pollution so the burden is placed on the pollutor instead of the general public.
No it should be placed on the people selling the oil for profit.
They're the ones benefiting from the use of fossil fuels. Nobody else is.
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>>128151786
It's a bit like an administration of responsibility. Not unlike how if you raise some other guys kid for a year, now you are on the hook for child support.
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>>128151786
It would have lowered our competitiveness by adding regulations and we were paying the most with china not close in terms of money put in.
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thats my point. the oil industry is the one causing this mess, but they dont have any price to pay for pollution. instead, the general public pays the price.
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>>128151939
I can't find anything on that, just that every country will set themselves a goal to reduce carbon emissions, only the country itself will decide that goal, and there will be no penalties for anyone who doesn't stick to the goal. What am I missing?
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>>128143176
>give us free money pls
no
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>>128143176
Transferring money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries - who said that?
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>>128145906
the heartland of us tech is moving to Iowa and great plains states
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>>128152415
>Anonymous
thats one pattern ive noticed here.
a lot of ppl are arguing this is bad because they dont even understand what it does.
they just hear shit from ppl and repeat it.
they have no understanding of economics or even science a lot of times.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
What you're suggesting is global communism, you disgusting faggot. My money won't go to some African niggers neither to poorer people in my country. Lechers should hang themselves.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
This is exactly why we needed to back out. All of these third world countries that became industrialized are polluting more than countries before outsourcing.
Just look at the smog problems in those parts of the world? How does enabling that help climate change?
All the paris agreement did was confirm the suspicion that climate change is a globalist initiative that had nothing to do the environment.
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>>128144364
China is not an upholder of human rights. China is much more imperialistic than the US. That one belt one road thing... that's exported pollution. The US was the last bastion for a real communistic ideologue dream... now state oligarchies shall reign supreme.
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>>128143176
>While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
that is retarded. you cant really "waste" money it is not something that you physically use as a resource (like iron or wood) in fact any spending of money actually benefits the economy. seriously you make it sound like america keeps buying a trillion dollar pack of gum instead of "helping poor, undeveloped industrial countries" like china.
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>>128152982
pulling out of the agreement does nothing to help and contributes more to the problem.
tell us, how is the paris agreement some sort of global soros conspiracy?
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>>128152010
Infrastructure
Resources
Energy
Labor
Capital
And most importantly: Power
China has all of these things. It is now so powerful that it gets to be "developing" despite putting out twice the CO2 of the USA. It's so powerful that reports have begun switching from "CO2 per person" to " CO2 per unit of growth" because it's obvious that they will soon be producing 3-4X the CO2 of the USA.
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Its fucking ridiculous! The previous administration had an agreement. America should follow promises by previous administrations. what are we without our word?
Fucking china the slant eye Souless insects will be the new world power.
I want America to be the leader in this new world. Now we are behind the shithole that is china, and staying with fucking Syria and Nicaragua.
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>>128153625
china may have more co2 output, but they have half the output per person.
americans contribute twice as much per person than the chinese, they just have a lot more people.
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>>128153432
It's an admission of guilt and responsibility. Think on what that really means.
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>>128154013
it means the avg american pollutes more than the average chinese person.
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>give money to niggers
Why?
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>>128153889
Exactly. And thier output is rising.
Which is why articles are switching to "CO2 per unit of growth"
And if we are going to go by per person we should be looking at Canada, and Australia and others.
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>>128152937
>What you're suggesting
I'm not suggesting shit.
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>>128153432
>tell us, how is the paris agreement some sort of global soros conspiracy?
Did you click reply before reading the post? Shill much?
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>>128154379
co2 rising everywhere.
thats why climate science is important.
we both agree that humans are producing more co2 than ever before.
we can gree co2 is a greenhouse gas that affects climate.
therefore, humans are affecting climate.
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>>128153625
Po
Pu
La
Tion
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>>128153703
Did you flunk civics?
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>>128154177
No it means the goal is to force large transfers of money from one country to another based on the "richer" county being guilty. This money can then be skimmed. A few percent here a few percent there.
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>>128154749
under what mechanism? the paris agreement? cuz it doesnt do that at all.
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>>128143176
>The agreement is meant to give money to poor, undeveloped industrial countries so they can steer away from needing to just feed their populations and take control of environmental issues. While it takes money away from rich countries so they waste less.
>let's give all these poverty stricken countries that are deeply corrupt all this free money without any strings attached
fucking kys bulge sucker
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>>128143176
Its a welfare scheme for third world non-white countrys
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>>128155036
shows you have zero understand what the paris agreement actually entails. it's just a pledge, it doesnt "redisribute" anything.
go read more on it, then try again.
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>>128154623
That's seriously the worse defense of climate change I've ever read.
Generation Z really is producing some zombie brain morons.
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>>128154623
Did I ever claim they were not?
No.
my stance is that the most popular "solutions" are scams to line pockets because the positions know damn well it won't be stopped and they will be dead by then anyway.
You want a solution? Pollution tariffs on good from countries with low-no standards. There. Now you also can deal with countries dumping industrial wastes directly into the ocean.
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>>128143176
Only thing america should be financially supporting is sterilising non-whites.
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>>128155270
Nothing says liberty like sterilization.
Kill yourself.
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>>128155270
>Is financially stimulating sterilisation of whites
GOD BLESS
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>>128155231
if it really is the worst argument youve ever read, then please, point out the fallacy.
which point did you not understand?
do you know how logic works?
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>>128155526
>do you know how logic works?
The fuck are you talking about?
Did you get permission from your degenerate parents before getting on the internet?
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>>128154925
Do you really think it will stop there? If it does noting then why is everyone so up in arms about it? Because it's a step towards exactly that. It's a conditioning step. Later when other agreements are proposed they will point back and say "see? You agreed"
That's why it's important, that's why people are mad about an agreement that does nothing. Because it was indeed part of a longer term plan for global government paid for by you.
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>>128143176
also so the corruption of those 3rd world countries to spend it on themselves, your new here aren't you?
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>>128155775
you said it was the worst argument, then i ask you which you disagree you and you get all butthurt?
man the fuck up and step up to the debate or crawl back to you moms busty ass pussy
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>>128151786
Because we know that we're one of the few countries with enough retards who would try to hold ourselves to the agreement
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>>128155930
>be 13
>think you know everything
>make arguments you yourself obviously do not understand
>muh co2
So this is what my dad was talking about years ago when he said I was a know it all teenager.
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>>128156245
yet again, making jokes instead of contributing to the debate.
>be you
>contribute nothing
>insult those who are smarter than you
>cannot refute arguments
>look stupid
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>>128149370
Have china or india pay for it not america.
Its a welfare scheme.
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>>128151361
The chinese has the second largest economy let them financially fund the paris agreement.
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>>128154635
And?A wealthy country can have poor people. those poor people can provide a resource: labor. Used correctly this gives you massive power and economic advantage.
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>>128155229
It ask for taxpayers money if it was free signing it wouldnt be a issue
The agreement requests over a 100 billion of u.s. taxpayer money
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>>128155460
Just sterilise the blacks and brown people it would save the enviroment.
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>>128156563
Do you really think that shit you spewed about co2 was contributing to the discussion?
If you want to have a debate, try not ro make incoherent statements that make zero sense.
>co2 rising everywhere.
thats why climate science is important.
we both agree that humans are producing more co2 than ever before.
we can gree co2 is a greenhouse gas that affects climate.
therefore, humans are affecting climate.
Stop breathing, you're producing CO2.
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>>128143176
1. We don't have any fucking money, were running a deficit.
2. Giving away money does not encourage wise spending.
3. 0.05C in 2100
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