>90,000 cargo ships facilitate global shipping >1 maersk

>>128078282
These should run on nuclear reactors like submarines

>>128078448
But then Somali pirates could jack a nuclear reactor

>>128078282
A car cannot drive 160 Dead Weight Tons through the pacific,

>>128078282
This. Container ships should be banned like Incandescent light bulbs and plasma TVs.

>>128078777
Put a CIWS at the bow and stern, problem solved.

>>128078864
165,000 DWT

>>128078448
Are you retarded? Cargo ships carry immensely higher weights when compared to submarines or aircraft carriers (which also use nuclear reactors).

>>128078864
>wannabe state scum
the whole point this fag is making is that with Nationalism in mind and keeping products predominantly domestic, there wouldnt be a need for shipping across the Pacific

>>128078777
Just let the boats defend themselves, and sink those water rats.

>>128079128
a million cars could.

>>128078448
My thoughts exactly. Hehe fact that there is no movement to do just that shows you just how concerned with carbon emmmissions and global warming the elites are.

>>128078282
We need 100% tariff on the EU now!

>>128078940
>civilians owning guns
You overdosed on Emu milk m8.

>>128078448
>Sevmorput is a Russian nuclear-powered icebreaking LASH carrier and container ship.

>>128078448
Nuclear reactor have larger carbon footprint.

>>128079545
Corporations can do whatever the fuck they want, are you living in the same world I am?

>>128078777
Could easily have a fail safe to flood it with salt water, would basically gut the reactor.

We should flood the jewbook with memes on this idea. Get the norm it's screaming about the things that ring them iphones. I'm sure the greenness could be brought to purpose without there realizing it,

>>128079545
>civilians owning guns
>problem
It's really not bad unless you forget to wear body armor on the way to class.

>>128079444
because it's not feasible you dumbfuck

Nimitz class displaces about 100k tons at full load, capesize ships go over 200k tons

>>128079715
No they can't.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3393903/Six-British-pirate-hunters-jailed-five-years-weapons-charges-boat-seized-protecting-ships-Somali-raiders-Indian-Ocean.html
>bin that knife!

We should flood the jewbook with memes on this idea. Get the norm it's screaming about the things that bring them iphones. I'm sure the greenness could be brought to purpose without there realizing it,

>>128079973
So put 2 reactors on it then?

>>128079982
>it's illegal to protect yourself

If any faggot tried to arrest me for protecting myself, I'd proceed to protect myself.

>>128079982
Those were "vigilantes", not an integrated weapons system on a coporations ship.

>>128080077
Nimitz has two reactors

for fucks sake do you guys actually know anything or do you just parrot random shit that comes to your head

>>128080270
so 3 reactors then?

>>128078282
More convinced by the lad OP here than by any jew funded "climatologist"

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>>128078282
Fug that, how much pollution does a ship shipping ship emit?

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>>128080393
more is always better

>>128079973
MOL Triumph
Installed power: 82 MW

Nimitz-class
194 MW

>>128080739
Look at this guy actually looking up numbers instead of just talking out of his ass. You're a wild man, you know that?

>>128080213
>Those were "vigilantes",
They were PMC working as guards on ships. Now they are shit eaters in some Indian jail.

>integrated weapons system on a coporations ship.
Guns are guns and will bring same weapon charges.

>>128078282
Relax, the container lines are scrapping some of their overcapacity as we speak.
>90,000 cargo ships
There are only about 5k active container ships which tend to be as large as won't run aground on their routes. A lot of oil ships are just parked as floating storage.
>has never heard of a power law distribution

>>128079666
????
No they dont. Where the hell did you hear that insane lie?

>>128081012
Paid vigilantes, then.
Good riddance to that whole industry.

>>128081343
Get out of my country, bootlicker.

>>128080393
The logic is undeniable.

Also, there was a nuclear powered merchant vessel in the 60's from the US called USA Savanah. It was more a cruise ship than merchant so it didn't have as much cargo space, and pretty oil crisis it wasn't cost effective. But after the oil price skyrocketed it would have been competitive if it where in service. And if it where optimized for space and benefited from economyou of scale it could be competitive today as well.

>>128080213
Our russian friend is right, skippy. Give up.

>>128078282
>implying goods and services don't decrease with globalism
>implying more efficient methods of transporting goods won't be invented

>>128081542
>bootlicker
If the police won't protect you, maybe you're not worth protecting. In fact, let's double down and call the merc industry what it is: treason.

>>128079232
They're actually not that much heavier than a carrier, and they don't need to go as fast. I really don't think that weight is the reason why civilian ships (outside of icebreakers) avoid nuclear power like the plague

>>128081693
What's a more efficient way to get large amounts of shit across the ocean than using big ass ships? Bigger ass ships? A fucking hole through the planet?

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>>128078282
Finally an intelligent post about the real causes of pollution. BTW - the reason why they emit so much pollution is because the fuel they use is literal oil sludge. It's so dense and crude that they literally have to heat it up inside the tank so that the engine can use it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

Meanwhile these faggots are parading around some fancy ass climate change bill as they continue to produce shit in unregulated countries dumping waste into the ocean and shipping it around the world on cancer barges.

>>128081343
Whats wrong with mercenaries?

Mercenaries fight for cash
US soldiers fight for gibs and free college.
I fail to see a difference, cept maybe the mercs are a little more honest about there motivation.

>>128078448
No, nuclear power is an enemy of mother nature.

>>128082201
Mercenaries break the law and are enemies of the Constitution. Therefore, treason, therefore, torture them to death in a prison camp.

>>128078448
This is an awesome idea, but have you ever met some of the people that work on these ships?

>>128080590
Are these ship shipping more ship?

Autonomous wind sailed ships.

>>128078282
>Globalism is literally destroying the planet

yeah no shit. If government actually cared about climat they would be pushing for people to make community gardens instead of buying all their food from superduper marts who haul 80% of the shit from halfway around the world.
Or they would be trying to make companies make higher quality stuff instead of cheepo garbage that breaks every other month. I swear i buy headphones every year because they break from regular use but the ones my dad had in the 70s are still fine.

As it is you can actually get in trouble for making your useless lawn into a garden and trying to be self sufficient if city haul feels it makes your place look worse and lowers property prices.

Everythings fucked

>>128082129
It only sounds intelligent until you think about the numbers. While there are quite a few giant ships in the world, there are many millions of times more cars out there.

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>>128082382
Are you high?

>>128082648
city hall even

>>128082603
Wind ship need a ton of repairs, in the end they will pollute far more.

>>128082648
>yeah no shit. If government actually cared about climat they would be pushing for people to make community gardens instead of buying all their food from superduper marts who haul 80% of the shit from halfway around the world.
b-but that's socialism! If you're not dependent upon some feudal lord to be starved as a means of moral instruction, you're a commie!
>>128082684
Are you a high-value target or do you just work in the industry?

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>>128079666
It barely makes a dent, Satan trips.

>>128082974
Consider the following: disposal by scuttling into the Marianas Trench reduces the carbon footprint of the nuclear reactor significantly.

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This is a great point

outsourcing to China and other policies promoted by the Paris Accord are in fact increasing the amount of Carbon emissions.

The only way to actually decrease carbon emissions would be for western populations to domestically produce their own energy and do so in a way that funded technological improvement.

But you can't really do that when your entire economy is based on outsourcing every job possible to Chinese sweatshop labor.

So yet again Globalists find themselves in a pickle

If they support globalism that means supporting more carbon emissions from asia and CHina

They they reject globalism and try to limit carbon emissions they aren't being very good globalists/neoliberals since domestic protectionism raises wages for labor(which is bad)

They're in a lose/lose situation.

>>128082129
>literal oil sludge
The real question is if an abbo huffs it will he reach dreamland?

>>128082920
Nah, I just like laughing at you while you think you're begging the question at every step of your argument.

>>128078282
so your suggesting globalism is whats causing the pollution...not me driving my PZEV vehicle and running energy efficient lights pc/tv?

>>128082275
Huehuehuehuehue

>>128083135
This is /nupol/ and this is what we do.

>>128082655
Run the numbers yourself w.r.t to what global production and shipping does to the environment.
(((I'll wait)))

Also, w.r.t to cars, you fail to acknowledge the natural efficiency baked into a competitive market : http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedimages/peg/publications/fact_sheet/clenfueleconomychart650jpg.jpg

There are no rules places on shot barges shipping products across the ocean thus why they use the cheapest, shittiest, and most polluting fuel they can get their hands on.

Further, as fuel prices rise, technology will naturally produce a more efficient product. You don't need subsidies or laws to force it. Just let the market sort itself out. When gas hits $5/$6 a gallon for regular unleaded, there will be solutions just as there are for any market.

Meanwhile, in mexico, they use the shittiest and cheapest cars they can find as they have no regulations. Meanwhile in India.

The US has regulations. Has been a good steward of the environment and is one of the top innovators in green technology. All we need to do is export and sell it.

Pretty much exactly what trump said in his speech and its the truth.

>>128082275
>enemy
>sun bombards our planet with more nuclear energy than we could ever produce.

>>128078282
Can we take a minute to appreciate how fucking huge that ship is. Human innovation is wonderful.

>>128078282
WHY CAN'T WE PUT A CARBON TAX ON THESE SHIPS?

>>128083128
In less than 500 pico seconds w/ no return trip ticket.

>>128078864
Hence why OP said buy domestic.

>>128080590
What's on those ships? Is it more ships?

>>128083361
It's pretty simple math

The only reason corporations outsource to China is because Chinks work for pennies and live in cages.

The only reason we have all these ships running 24/7 burning fossil fuels is because of said outsourcing.

Instead of just investing in technological improvements to cut emissions the "solution" in the Paris Agreement is to shut down even more industry in the west, which at least tries to cut emissions and move production to China where no one gives a fuck about anything especially health and safety.

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>>128083806
yes goyim, just wonderful.

>>128083778
Sun do a lot of think, including fusion, but this don't mean we can utilize it.

>>128078777
Not if you equip every vessel with a 20mm cannon.
Yes, just a cannon, don't need missiles. 1 shot is all it takes.

>>128080630

That picture is kind of ironic now that intel is now trying to one up on MOAR COARS

>>128084189
>>128082788
It's this sort of ignorance that retards technological improvements

You do realize that modern nuclear power plants can reuse spent fuel now right? We could, essentially power whole countries without any radioactive waste, if morons weren't so scared of progress.

>>128084497
This sort of ignorance make we lost resources in green energy and alternative power when we can improve nuclear fission, a make fusion or build solar in space.

>>128083972
Yes. More shipping ships.

>>128083678
I can't seem to find good numbers that measure it in a way that can be compared reasonably.

Regarding that chart though, it's awfully funny how closely the competitive market follows the government set fuel efficiency requirements. Passenger car requirements were 20 MPG in 1980, climbing to 27 by 1985, then staying roughly stagnant until 2011 when it jumps up to 30. Your graph goes higher than 30 and climbs before 2011, which is explained by the 2005-2011 rise in combined average car and truck average efficiency.

And yes, seeing how well regulation is working on car fuel efficiency, it sounds like it's time to regulate cargo ships.

>>128082382
only if youre using them to kill other americans...

>>128078448
>These should run on nuclear reactors like submarines

I'd imagine there's some pretty strict rules for private shpping to use nuclear materials/reactors

>>128084957
>nuclear power takes money away from muh solar panels

since when?

Nuclear Power has lost pretty much all financial backing while Solar panels get billions of dollars from everyone

>>128085746
You got me wrong, solar takes money away from nuclear.

>>128085208

>it's awfully funny how closely the competitive market follows the government set fuel efficiency requirements.
Who set those standards? The U.S as we always do. We are already stewards of the environment. Always have been vs. the rest of the world. Thus, we dont need to sign some foreign agreement to get our shit together. We already do and we already lead. If the rest of the world wants to follow, they can buy our tech through fair trade agreements which is what trump is saying.

>Passenger car requirements were 20 MPG in 1980, climbing to 27 by 1985, then staying roughly stagnant until 2011 when it jumps up to 30. Your graph goes higher than 30 and climbs before 2011, which is explained by the 2005-2011 rise in combined average car and truck average efficiency.

I'm glad you know how to read a chart and repeat it in words ;). Our regulations work.

> And yes, seeing how well regulation is working on car fuel efficiency, it sounds like it's time to regulate cargo ships.

Seems like you're starting to get it... Also, you can see why globalization is a dumb fucking inefficient idea and is at the heart of pollution.

>>128079232
When talking about marine propulsion you gotta keep in mind that energy requirements increase dramatically with speed. A cargo ship doesn't need to go 35+ knots so a huge reactor like on carriers would be useless on them. I'm fairly certain once it becomes economically viable we'll start seeing nuclear cargos show up.

>>128085746
That's the dumb part. Nuclear is actually competitive with fossil fuels on cost and capacity. It actually stands a chance of breaking our dependency on coal. Solar and wind are excellent auxiliary power sources but they'll never power a significant portion of the grid.

>>128078282

Did you know there are only ~75 United States flagged ships left in international trade?

50 years ago the US was the world's #1 shipping power.

Hopefully Der Fueher Trump will make American shipping great again.

> it makes much more sense to Jew the Sun than to Jew the Earth.

>>128078282
soon they will make ships so long they won't need to disembark to go to another continent :trollface: XDX

>>128087472
Also, they are in the process of making autonomous ships that will make professional mariners obsolete. Save me Herr Trump!

>>128085746
He's saying the opposite, but his English is about as good as my Portuguese.

>>128080590
that's a big ship

>>128078282
American cars are trash

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>>128079982

Indians hate maritime security and common sense like turning around if they are given repeated warnings and warning shots as much as they hate toilets.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-18118790

>>128080213
>Those were "vigilantes", not an integrated weapons system on a coporations ship.

They were private military contractors providing security detail for cargo ship. Pic related is what happens when PMC's arrive in some ports after anti-piracy contract.

>>128080590
How many ships could a shipping ship ship if a shipping ship could ship ships?

>>128078282

Literally least polluting way to move stuff around. That ship moves more stuff around than those 50,000,000 cars.

>>128090784
for you

>>128085746
>Nuclear Power has lost pretty much all financial backing while Solar panels get billions of dollars from everyone

Because hippies are irrational as fuck. Real solution for clean energy would be thorium based nuclear reactors, that would also solve nuclear waste storage issue as breeder reactors and be also used as burners.

>>128091500
Amazing logic. Now lets see how many brain cells it takes you to realize how less ships would pollute if companies produced locally. Lets take it even step further and try to put two neurons together and tell me how much less pollution would occur if companies produced locally in America and thus had to abide by our serious environmental regulations vs. dump shit in the local river china.

>>128085987
>once it becomes economically viable
tax fossil fuels. quick fix. is it the right one though?

>>128079545

Change the law them, duh.

Security guards on land have firearms. Ones on ships can too.

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>>128079666
poor ivan thinks his carrier is nuclear still

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>>128092021
>Amazing logic. Now lets see how many brain cells it takes you to realize how less ships would pollute if companies produced locally.

Some things are more environmentally sustainable to produce on the other side of the world due to local sources of raw materials.

You would almost certainly still have to ship raw materials for those locally produced goods from somewhere.

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>>128078282
>Globalism is literally destroying the planet

But rich people get richer - Think about that.

>>128078282
yes but by destroying the planet you create another problem to run an election platform on.

>>128078282

Sources?

>>128079666
More like a nuclear footprint am I right???

>chernobyl

>>128087472
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

>>128092687
I don't think you realize how many commodity mining companies were shut down in America and close by due to environmental regulations.

You mistakenly believe that raw materials are only available in regions of the planet where they are now more cheaply mined.

You're yet again deflecting from the root cause problems and solutions because you are either uneducated on them or don't want to admit that they aren't pursued due to economic not environmental reasons.

You want to play dumb just like the idiots who made the Paris Climate change bill and center on non-issues instead of the elephant in the room.

Which is fine, just don't expect informed people to believe your silly ass appeals to the environment when you don't want to address the real issues.

> https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16881-epa-closure-of-last-lead-smelting-plant-to-impact-ammunition-production

> http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/05/obama-kept-his-promise-83000-coal-jobs-lost-and-400-mines-shuttered/

> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/19/mining-companies-scramble-to-fight-burdensome-new-epa-rule.html

Meanwhile, even worse mining occurs overseas don't fuck all for the environment. This is why trump told these globalist bastards to fuck off.. Because the bill does nothing to stop the most polluting countries from doing the same shit but 10x worse.

>>128078282
Carbon dioxide is not a form of pollution. It is plant food; highly beneficial to the environment.

>>128092687
nice RTA, it a 90c?

>>128094645

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

Was The Carbon Footprint of International Trade Discussed In The Paris Agreement?

>>128096266
The majority contributors rarely are.