/LRG/ - RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GENERAL - FUCK ROADS AND FUCK

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FAQ:
>Do you support open borders?
No. The government does not own the land, therefore it cannot determine the border policy. Seeing as 90% of immigration is harmful to the country, by default a vetting system is essential to protect the rights of the citizens.
>Whom'st'd'll've builds the roads?
The people who are going to use them will pay the road crews, and maintenance is provided by the toll money.
>Do you support drug use/other degenerate behaviour?
No, we strongly discourage it as it damages a society built on non-aggression. Most covenants would be built around family (to fill the void after the government is largely/completely gone), and family life is vulnerable to these socio-pathological behaviours. If degenerates want to form their own communities, they are welcome to choke on their own filth or clean up and become productive members of the society.
>Are you Jewish?
No, our Jews are better than their Jews. Few movements (apart from NatSocs, duh) have been accused of anti-Semitism as much as we have, and that's including our more moderate/mainstream figureheads, such as Ron Paul. We support Palestine over Israel (because it's their land, not because they're brown) and we strongly support cutting all foreign aid to Israel (and to pretty much everyone). The international financiers would be significantly set back by freeing the currency system and implementing an actual standard for money to prevent over-printing and inflation. Also we don't trade with our enemies, what the fuck.
>What will you do when governments take over you/reform?
Toss them out of helicopters again. Our crusade is eternal. Liberty or Death!

RECOMMENDED READING LIST:
ECONOMY
>The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
>A Treatise on Political Economy by Jean-Baptiste Say
>The Law by Fréderic Bastiat
>The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich August von Hayek
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Man, Economy, and State by Murray Rothbard
>Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
POLITICS
>Democracy - The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Second Treatise of Government by John Locke
>Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick
>For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard
>Against the State by Llewellyn Rockwell
>Reactionary Liberty by Robert Taylor
>What Must Be Done by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

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MEDIA:
GOOD TIER
>Minarchy Memes on faceberg - sometimes posts edgy stuff
>Liberty Hangout on faceberg - adamant fighters against communism
>jasonstapleton.com - The Jason Stapleton Program - right-libertarian podcast
>youtube.com/user/ThatLibertarianT - That Guy T
GREAT TIER
>Hoppean Snake Memes on faceberg - the source of the snake memes we keep posting - keep up, nerd
>youtube.com/user/FreedomFighter631 - Chris Cantwell - host of the Radical Agenda
>youtube.com/channel/UCRr7mGBwURyRGM2BRPV3hNQ - Augustus Sol Invictus' ramblings and other content
>youtube.com/channel/UCIwnY7Ee4Kfn8g6tz9tjfzA - 1st Irregulars - former Cantwell's supporters, decided to go even further right
>1stirregulars.com - 1st Irregulars' main site
>youtube.com/user/stefbot - Stefan Molyneux
>tomwoods.com - Tom Woods's podcasts
INFORMATIVE TIER
>mises.org - Mises Institute
>cato.org - Cato Institute
>propertyandfreedom.org - Property and Freedom Society
>lewrockwell.com - Lew Rockwell

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VIDEOS:
>Christopher Cantwell - How I started hanging out with Nazis - youtube.com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU
>Christopher Cantwell with Mike Enoch - youtube.com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w
>Christopher Cantwell with That Guy T - youtube.com/watch?v=7QYL4w3V_mo
>Christopher Cantwell with Jared Howe - youtube.com/watch?v=szqxmnMfB8U
>Augustus Sol Invictus - Becoming a Reactionary - youtube.com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE
>Augustus Sol Invictus - The War on Terror - youtube.com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe - What Must Be Done - youtube.com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c
>1st Irregulars - 1433: National Capitalism and the Correct View - youtube.com/watch?v=eVnDAa1LWpw
>That Guy T - The Case for Libertarian Fascism - youtube.com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8

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MUSIC:
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.1 - youtube.com/watch?v=pGuj-Z3PNg8
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.2 - youtube.com/watch?v=zqV4RXLX1Hc
>I Need a Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Ain't I Right - youtube.com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ
>Metallica - Don't Tread On Me - youtube.com/watch?v=fh-TKJTCtnw
>Dixie's Land - youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
>Yankee Doodle - youtube.com/watch?v=IzRhFH5OyHo
>Battle of New Orleans (if you counter-signal Jackson I swear on me mum I'll skullfuck you - plus it's a good song so fuck you) - youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
>Mi General Augusto Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w
>Adios Mi General - youtube.com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM
>Rhodesians Never Die - youtube.com/watch?v=r1J8F6YQjBg
>Hammer Of The Right - youtube.com/watch?v=5WzAFG0Wntc
>The Edgytarian Song (/lrg/'s anthem) - youtube.com/watch?v=3qX8B02NDHI

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Founding Father reporting in.

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MEMES:
>Hoppewave - Physical Removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Cato's Speech - Let's get Physical - youtube.com/watch?v=XMqPWqOCGJU
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Let The Commies Hit The Floor - youtube.com/watch?v=yy9VvAuCCEg
>Stefan Molyneux - In-Depth Analysis of Marxism - youtube.com/watch?v=SGunPi4G2Ns
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Shadilay (Meme War against Agoristball) - youtube.com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Snekintosh 420 - youtube.com/watch?v=JJMdttBmtsY
>That Guy T shitposting about the Alt-Right - youtube.com/watch?v=77CdqY4IdgU

>>128009732
Wow.
You not only showed up just when I was about to make a black dad joke about how you take 18 years to show up. No, you had to cuck me by posting the airborne oven just when I was about to post it to give me a duplicate warning.
I blame the Jews.

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Anyway, get the thread going without me, I'll be right back.

>>128009775
>AK-47 on a Anarcho-CAPITALIST flag

wtf man, make that an AR-15 right this instance!

>>128009948
Lol, nice.

I gotta get you a screenshot of some shit-libs complaining about your thread paste on /liberty/ they took a screenshot of your OP and bitched about right Libertarianism being too authoritarian.

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Read Nations by consent you shit-libs

>>128010212
>implying we're not communist shills
wow, sure smells like (((capitalism))) here
remember, you're either an aryan alpha natsoc or a smelly kike communist
t. ns/pol/

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The state doesn't fight degeneracy. They create it.

>>128010360
I'll be an authoritarian guy...
For them.

>>128010454
Who here liber/aryan/?

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Left libtards need to go back.

>>128010360
>right Libertarianism being too authoritarian

I gotta see this, in what way is right Libertarianism authoritarian when there is no state? people sure can be silly sometimes

>>128010666
I'm phoneposting now, if you can't wait check out 8 ch's /liberty/. I'm sure it will be in the catalog. Half of them hate us. And that's pretty cool.

Why does Slovakia make these threads now and not Portugal?
just curious

>>128011100
ah ok no drama mate, was just wondering

>>128011202
Portugalbro might be busy

>>128009236
I'd identify myself as rather libertarian but the roads thing confuses me. Could someone make the argument for me? Wouldnt trade and transportation be hindered by their non-existance?

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>>128011418
they would still exist, just funded privately on a voluntary basis

>>128011418
There would be roads if you are willing to pay for them.

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>>128011950
>>128011982
No they wouldn't, you fucking commies.
There is no place for roads in a free society.

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Commies aren't people.

>>128012252
FUGG they found out I'm a double agent. SHUT IT DOWN!

>>128012252
shit i've been had

chaim, shut it down!

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How do you stop gang violence from forming local government based on crime in an anarchist society?

>>128012881
Violence. Crush the crooks.

>>128012881
we fight back but for freedom

>>128013155
>>128013259
An uncoordinated local population would never be able to stop a group of thugs, much less any serious militia/organized criminal syndicate.

I'm not talking about a nation-wide revolution, but one town at a time, like what's happening in Mexico.

>>128013413
Ok how about a coordinated population? It's not a nap violation to form a proper defense militia.

>>128013413
>An uncoordinated local population

why are you assuming we are uncoordinated? we don't need a state to have direction and leadership when the circumstances call for it

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This triggers the geofag. AnCap Landlords ftw.

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You claim taxation is theft, yet you do not apply this same line of reasoning to profit.

Both involve the process of taking what a labourer has produced.

>Profit is the taking of the surplus value of the worker's produce
>Taxation is the taking of a portion of the wages of the worker

It's the same idea applied to two separate bodies (Government and Capitalists). How can you claim to be against one but completely for the other

>inb4 "b-but it's voluntary!"
Like fuck it is. No one wants to work. They are just forced to do it by the Bourgeois.

>>128013798
what a good lad

he can probably get away with it if he's just discriminating against people who smell up the place and ruin his property, not necessarily naming the race. Shitskins still wouldn't be allowed either way, lmao

>>128014082
>They are just forced to do it by the Bourgeois.

then go be homeless and beg for food, nobody is still forcing you to work

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we need to keep her from running in 2020

>>128014082
>Not wanting to put your body & mind towards something larger than yourself.

Fucking mexicuck.

>>128014358
no way in hell is she gonna run

on second thought, I actually kinda want her to run. It would be an easy win for Trump and she would get BTFO once more. It would be like pottery

>>128014521
that would be good, the democrats are getting defensive now that everyone is starting to wake up, Trump has them cornered, and this time theirs now way out for the Dems

>>128014082
Get a fucking job looZer.

>>128014082
first of all the Libertarian-Right has varying opinions on taxation, I support low taxes, I know taxation is necessary, however the government cannot strip me dry when there is 300 million other Americans.

>>128014687
yeah after that Kathy Griffin beheading fiasco, the Demorats are in full damage control + suicide watch

literally nobody takes them seriously now except for commies and tumblrites after they went ISIS-tier

>>128009236
The only problem I ever had with libertarianism is not about the roads or healthcare or other shit like that but about the military.
I can't imagine how could a private company be both loyal and effective enough to stand against organised authoritarian states.
Please explain to me how libertarians would be able to beat the shit out of organised invaders.

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>>128012255
Strawman. Marx's definition of private property was different than the modern definition.

He distinguished between private and personal property. Private property is the means of production and businesses generally (e.g. factory, coffee shop, etc; Marx wanted these owned by the workers) whereas personal property is anything you own (e.g. laptop, TV, house, car, etc)

>>128009236
Socialism/communism only works with whites(well civilized people, other races are not there yet)

Karl marx designed communism based off white people.

Introduce minorities and the system breaks, because the civilized people have to support the crying minorities.

I'm all for national socialism. We are not ready to merge cultures. I personally don't think it's possible but ok.

>>128015100
Personal property is private property, get a job. It's not that bad.

>>128014444
kek speaks

>>128015203
>Anyone who has a different opinion to me has no job

>>128015045
well we would not privatize the military, keep it under the control of governments with limited power but if they cross their bounds then it is our duty to resist

>>128009236
Does anyone here have the Gadsden flag with the snake wrapped around the fasces?

>>128015263
Ok whatever, you work the counter at GameStop. I mean get a REAL job.

>>128015280
Alright but you need manpower in that army. There are always volunteers of course but do you support draft in times of war?
If you do, that sounds like breaking the NAP to me.
If you don't it's very likely that your army will be too weak when shit becomes serious because only the few are willing to fight in a war.

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"left libertarianism"

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>>128015396
Nah, shits on my PC. Best I got is Italian fascist ancap flag.

>>128014082
>inb4 "b-but it's voluntary!"
>Like fuck it is. No one wants to work. They are just forced to do it by the Bourgeois.

Not an argument

>>128015920
Nature forces me to hunt or I will starve.
>Fucking bourgeois!

>>128015818
Thanks for posting.

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>>128016301
commies BTFO

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do we have an infograph about Ancap and military defense (especially outside invasion scenarios)?

this question has become too common and our answers seem to be inconsistent, despite Hans-Hermann Hoppe specifically addressing this in The Private Production of Defence and The Myth of National Defense

>>128014082
>No one wants to work. They are just forced to do it by the Bourgeois.
So your solution is ... no one working?
>B-But everyone WANTS to work for the common good!
You just said "No one wants to work."
>If they don't they can't take part in our society!
So they are still "forced", but this time by a collective.

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>>128014082
>Choose to do something
>'It's not voluntary because you don't enjoy it 24/7'
rlly fires those electrodes

>>128016868
It's a shit debate. War doesn't care about ideology.

I usually site hoppe's "production of private defense" tho. If someone could get me some short solid arguments I'd make the infographic

>>128017333
>>128016868
I'd also love this, the question comes up a lot and I feel like 'go read this book' isnt a good response.

>>128017333
>tfw started the ethics of private property isntead of the myth of national defense and I'm too autistic to read two books in a row
sorry
also frenchbro here

>>128015045
I appreciate your healthy enthusiasm. To answer your question, all I can say is that loyalty is subjective and people in private militias can still be absolutely loyal to the cause of freedom not just for themselves, but for their fellow man, and for their children.

I also see that you made a distinction between "organized authoritarian states" and "organized invaders." Are you implying that private militias cannot be organized in ancap? They can most certainly coordinate tactics and cooperate with each other to secure each other's freedom, especially temporary as a contract during a time of war or immediate threat.

Furthermore, the richest nations are capitalist as capitalism promotes wealth. Ancapistan would be very, extremely wealthy, and that wealth can still be used to privately research, develop, produce, and manufacture a lot of the essential military technology like advanced firearms, tanks, planes, ships, battlecruisers, bombers, etc. You may even see advanced military technology like mechas for all you know -- the research is no longer centrally managed so people can develop what they want and sell it if it's good, instead of getting bogged down by bureaucracy.

Then there's McNukes. Nuclear deterrence is still possible in ancap, so direct warfare may not even be necessary. Ancapistan can definitely hold her own in time of war

>>128015684
I support the draft, but only in a national emergency, like if we were being invaded by a totalitarian state, although that might prove unnecessary as I believe most Americans would fight a occupier if it was at their doorstep.

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>>128015396
I got you

>>128011202
Portubro has 24/7 siesta, it seems.
Leave it to the Easterners to work their asses off, smdhtbhfam.

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https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1495615052566.webm

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>>128010567
>libertarianism
>not the whitest movement there is
wew lad

>>128017333
>>128017523
the solid short argument you could say is to counter the usual misconception and assumptions people have about ancap

Just make it clear that we CAN still be organized like any other army as private militias cooperating and coordinating each other in desperate time of war to protect each other's freedom. We CAN still have advanced military tech like any other army in the world because wealth can easily be used fund such things when necessary. We CAN still have the manpower instead of a draft, because people would naturally be interested to protect their home if its under threat.

People assume we are defenseless, protecting ourselves with nothing but ourselves as citizens with guns. This is false. Privately-funded militias can be done on a contractual basis, and they can absolutely stand against others in formal military settings

you can end with memes about the McNuke and private nuclear deterrence

>>128014082
Yeah I'd love to see the labourer make the same product in the same quantities without my machinery. If he can accomplish that, he can damn well feed himself already.
Also, I'm not giving up what I own.

>>128014082
Also, there is no coersion from the employer, and if there is, the worker is protected by the law (read The Law by Bastiat if you think "law" is incompatible with libertarianism).
The thing that forces the workers to work is the market, which is the social force of nature. The opportunity cost of sitting on your ass is way greater 99% of the time.

>>128016868
>>128017333
I'll put something together.

>>128020310
god bless you Slovakbro

you and the Founding Father have been boons to the more artistically challenged among us incapable of making decent infographs

>>128020310
Right on, if you need me to put it into a dank image lemme know.

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>>128020703
Nah, I don't make many infographs or stuff of the sorts.
I'm more of a thinking guy. FF's real good at drawing stuff, though.
Imagine how cool it would be if we got Hoppean Snake Memes' admin on here. I know he shills himself on here, I hope he's noticed our threads.

>>128021372
I gotta make a kikebook account to hit him up. They disabled the account I made when they found out I wasn't really Hans Hoppe. I'm sure we could bully him into showing up.

>>128021904
>They disabled the account I made when they found out I wasn't really Hans Hoppe

holy kek, kikebook does that now? did the real Hans-Hoppe flag you or something?

I still wonder what Hans thinks about all this, that he's now transcended into a meme worshiped in an obscure corner of the internet. What if he pulls a Hayao Miyazaki and say that Hoppean Libertarianism was a mistake?

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>>128022508
I don't know what happened. I had the account for five minutes.

I think Hoppe is more in the know than he let's off. He's kinda PC in the way he alludes to more hardcore right wing things but isn't explicit. Anyway I'm sure he's googled himself before he's got to have seen some memes.

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>>128021351
Go ahead, lad.

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discord /42shYC

book club, starting on monday.

>>128023945
Nice,
>>128024649
Whatcha gonna read first?

>>128024649
https://discordapp.com/privacy
shoo shoo CIAnigger

>>128023945
eh, good shot but that doesn't seem particularly compelling when you're stating that militarily speaking, we're no better than sandniggers and shitskins and must submit to outsider intervention in order to resist, instead of just defending ourselves from the go

I'll try and see if I can make my own meme pic then, since I was thinking more in massive militaries, modern armies, tanks, bombers, battlecruisers, and mcnukes in formal warfare instead of something cheesy like

>guerrilla warfare

seems like you're just admitting there there would be absolute decentralized power and lack of central organization even in war, instead of temporary contractual agreements for pure military strength to repel invasion

>>128024924
Well yeah, this is a worst case scenario.

>>128024649
What book are we discussing first?
Also do we go full Irregulars and raid other people's chatrooms?

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could a fellow Hoppean anon kindly shop pic related into Hans Hermann-Hoppe?

going to use it as a background for something

>>128027221
I have the skills, but i ain't by a PC right now. If you're cool with stopping by later or in another thread I'll post it.

>>128027615
no problem

I think we've got potential here is all

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Made this two months back, didn't polish it up because of laziness but thoughts?

>>128028798
I remember seeing this in a /pol/ dream flags thread. P.sweet dude.

>>128028798
surprisingly less ugly than the normal MD flag

t. former marylander

My problem is with the moralistic ancap who argues against taxation with "muh NAP" and sanctifies private property, arguing against any sort of public enforcement of standards with "violence is unethical" while totally ignoring the violent origins of private property. I don't have a problem with those origins myself, I just think the argument by NAP is doomed to fall apart when someone points this out and so is not really good. "Muh Indians" is all it takes.

>>128029913
>Property is originated in violence.
How so?

>>128027221
I suck at photoshop neat idea though

>>128029913
What if we just completely reset all capital or make a one-time redistribution before adopting ancap? Do you think this would solve the problem and make the property more "just"?

>>128030656
How else are others forced to recognize property rights? A group of men conquer land, create law, enforce law, and allow market competition so that they can collect rents through taxation, and benefit from all the trade that happens in their province as the bourgeouis are attracted to their land. They do not ask, "what is my right to prevent those merchants from abroad to sell opium to my people". They put a stop to the practice using force if necessary because of its ill effects.
Why were Indians not recognized as owners? It was just more profitable to kill them and take their land. They never would have wanted to compete in the market. They viewed it as a disgrace and something that destroyed their autonomy.

>>128029913
>"Muh Indians" is all it takes.

I don't understand, what about the Indians? They were a race of bloody savages who had little concept of private property and routinely got into war beheading, raping, and enslaving each other. The few that were peaceful, they interbred or made alliances and then died out from disease. They just couldn't compete.

Still NAP compatible because we were willing to cooperate unless our private property was treaded on, which indians regularly did because they had little concept of it

>>128033590
>How else are others forced to recognize property rights?

By communicating with them?

We did not force them into accepting private property, because they hardly understood what private property was about to begin with. It was unclaimed land precisely because the indians never bothered formally claiming it themselves, and when they did, they traded it for fucking beads.

>Why were Indians not recognized as owners?

Because they didn't recognize themselves as owners?

They had wars with each other man, they were nomadic and had no need for established private property. They were essentially animals with no concrete sense of ownership

>>128015116
>Socialism/communism only works with whites
lol no
if some people in your society are paid to do nothing but redistributing money they don't produce anything valuable so your society as a whole is poorer, nothing to do with whites, it doesn't work period

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Bump.

Commies make me fucking sick.