English is the most efficient language. It has the highest information

>>127932262
I can't and won't.

>>127932262
Stupid white culture and their efficient language.

>>127932262
>(((information density)))

Is this why spics and niggers have trouble learning it?

I'd like to see where Russian would be on this.. considering its the second literary language after English.

>>127932262
Before the word, there was the 'sound' that makes word.
No that sound and you find the secret of the realm.

Electron flow, magnetosphere, frequent emulation.

>>127932603
Literally the number of lexemes(information) divided by number of phones(sounds). "How complex is the average word?"

>>127932706
Not even as dense as German due to case inflection. And the syllabic rate is too low.

>>127932664
Is easy even for spics

T. Spic

The entire planet should be speaking English

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>>127932262
"A pretty little girls school"

What does that statement describe?

>>127932934
Correction -'know'
WETYIAFHKLZXVNM
QRUOPDGJCB
Rigid and curved.
High un low.
Sharpe un soft.
>Equilibrium.

>>127933794
a quaint, female-only education establishment. And if you say it means an attractive pre-teen's school you are not accepting the long-established adjective-ordering system we use in english. This might be because spanish doesn't necessarily have an order for adjectives. Simply foreign influence.


Nice try though.

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>>127932934
>>127934046

>Schizophrenia

Put UOC in its own category.

>>127932262
>not 한국말
wew

>>127932262
But Vietnamese has higher density and better info rate.

I wonder how Polish would perform.

>>127934234
No, it means a smaller than average school for girls. Or a school for girls who are smaller than average

etc etc. There are more than 14 possible interpretations depending on where punctuation and inflection are placed.

English is shit. Learn Lojban.

>>127934428
I didn't say most efficient writing system!-subnida!

>>127934448
No wait, only higher density

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>>127934326
Are you simple...or complex.
Because this is as basic as it gets.

>strayans in charge of reading tables

>He thought letters (glyphs -sound resonators'-) we're by mistake an not learnt by great an wise minds.

>>127934485
context is this thread, and interpretation is limited to default and ""expected""
configurations. Try Ithkuil if you swing that way though. The "missing" semantic information from your example was part of the considerations of this study.
http://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/fulltext/pellegrino/Pellegrino_2011_Language.pdf


>>127934595
I have a feeling I shouldn't send you this.
youtu.be/qs26qv6C-38

>>127932262
Hmm vietnamese seems pretty based

>Implies the art of resonated manifest and transformation.
>Implying ancient magic.
>Implying everything you knew came from this secret (discovered) art of the realm.

>>127933794
it means you're as annoying as trolley problem makers

>>127935300
The link is broken, thanks regardless. ;)

>>127934511
true, but I'd argue that ease of reading and writing comes into play when talking about an efficient way to communicate with everyone. English is pretty messy and is very hard to solve for foreigners.

English is far better both scientifically and poetically, but Korean is far better for average communication, but using English words when speaking Korean is common these days.

>>127935630
Both links are correctly formatted.

>>127932262
It's efficient, but it's also hard to learn because it breaks so many rules so often.

>>127933794
That's a made up problem. You can say in a different way.

Anyway the future is technological telepathy, a wifi for your brain, not shitty human barking sounds. Imagine "thinking" wirelessly to another person, sending images straight from your brain, with a help of an AI for filtering.

>>127935643
Korean has multitudes of redundant information, grammatical endings, etc. Not only that but the orthography is demonstrably cacographic - a dyslexic's nightmare.

>>127935758
Then they are not rules.

>>127932262
>their
>there

>whether
>weather

>its
>it's

>through
>ough

not even good bait 0/10

>>127934326

> COVFEFE

He can be taught!

>>127936268
Words that are phonetically similar are not necessarily lexically or morphologically similar.

>the pen is blue
>the sky is blue
>therefore it must be the same color

do you really think this?

>>127936268
fuck you mexicunt

>>127932262
Anglo is hard to pronounce. Really hard, almost impossible to speak without a shitty accent. I can do an American 90% there, but that's because I'm talented.

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English is literally JUST: the language

>>127936268

all those examples mean something different. You're just proving that fag's point, smeege.

>>127932262
Its true
Example:

Twenties cartoon rapist
Violador de dibujos animados de los años veinte

>>127936777
Oh please, if you are having trouble with the vowels or the th, there are places in jamaica you can take example from.

>>127932262
English is great, too bad the people who came up with it are bent on genociding themselves with pakis.

>>127932262
hold up let me websearch it so I can sound like an expert on linguistics

>>127936846
The Brits are lazy.

ALL English words used to be pronounced as written. However, it seems the speakers don't much care for a lot of the sounds and just...skip them. Lazy pronunciation has fed on itself and disconnected from spelling.

>>127936846
Orthographic convention. "Méjyquo" is pronounced mexico, right?

>>127933794
Could be a pretty school for little girls, a little school for pretty girls, a school that a pretty little girl goes to, a school for pretty little girls

Anything else? i get your point but don't all languages rely on context to some extent?

>>127936846
English is a complicated language. It can be understood through tough thorough thought though.

>>127937440
BULLSHIT FUCKWARD FUCK YOU

Island has NEVER been pronounced with an s. it was added to "match" the latinate term isle.

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>>127933794
A school for pretty little girls. If it was a pretty girl's school, you would need an apostrophe.

>>127937762
youtu.be/vExjnn_3ep4

could be worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BywGu_rjZj4

>>127937645
If it's a "pretty school" for "little girls" or a "pretty little school" for "girls", "girls" needs an apostrophe. If it's a "school" for a "pretty little girl", there needs to be an apostrophe between "girl" and "s". There needs to be an apostrophe somewhere, unless it's "A...girls school", but you need to define what a "girls school" is, because it's not a school FOR girls, that would be a girls' school.

>>127933209
>he says in poor english

>>127937890
Or a pretty school for little girls

Or a school for girls that was rather small

>>127932262
There is no "quality of information" parametre.
Many languages can explain certain concept much better.

>>127932262
>English is the most efficient language. It has the highest information density and the least-effort phonological system.
>
>Prove me wrong.
"Puto" i just described your entire gene pool

>>127937821
It wasn't originally written "island" was it. That was people being dumb. Also, it's an outlier. I'm still right.

>>127938404
go take your apostrophe"'"s and shove them up your ass. we don't speak them out loud in a conversation.

>>127938953
We're not speaking.

>>127932262
Japanese is dogshit holy shit lmao.

>>127932262
I'm not familiar with this study or its methodology, so I won't claim that it doesn't bear useful application or insight, but it doesn't by any means put English as anyhow suprerior to other languages for discourse.

I think nearly every language is built around some paradigm that inherently expresses certain concepts more intuitively, quickly, and robustly than others. As a rule, if a language is not efficient, it will change rapidly to accommodate the average speaker.

>>127932262
What about latin?

>>127932664
Also chinks.

>>127936267
Semantics.

The function of linguistic rules is to make a language easier and more intuitive to learn and understand.

English may be one of the most efficient languages, but it fails horribly in consistency.

Second- Russian may be higher density

>>127932262

Can you read? Mandarin has higher information density. English has higher information rate.

>>127939131
Can you name a language that does not use context? because you understood well enough through context to correct all my grammer mistakes so you can get off your apostrophe horse.

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>>127932262
can you fucking read, op? mandarin and vietnamese clearly have higher information density in the image you posted.

>>127938953
Well Chang when we're speaking we have inflection and pacing mechanisms that make it apparent, not to mention context

>>127939561
irregular verbs are not unique to english. besides that, the system is regular, no split ergativity or anything. Take for example the pronoun mess in japanese or korea's many terms for "cellphone"

>>127939907
No, I cannot.

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Spanish is way hard people speak it way faster than English but I guess it's easier to understand because in English people talk like fags, like if they were speaking so softly.

https://youtu.be/jMII-L4hvqY

I'd like to see some African subhuman languages on that list. I predict their information rate would be at least a standard deviation lower just like their IQ.

>>127940042
Try speaking them fast enough to make that useful.

>>127936846
kek

Now, tbqh, English is piss easy because it's much more contextual than other languages.

>>127940313
I don't think there are enough ideas in the language to assess properly

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>>127932262
Proofs!! Now German is the most efficient language.
Prove me wrong OP. With source this time pls.

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>>127940321
>>127940342
This and we could learn easily Italian and Portuguese or Romanian, English is a the easiest language

>>127940042
She looks to be off the scale in terms of crazy whore levels. Would have loved her when I was 20.

>>127936846
I in women doesn't make a short I sound. It's more like u, the shape of the mouth is different

>>127940566
O in women of course

>>127940270
>English people talk like fags

Spanish people slur like they are always drunk. Can't even say b d g without missing an articulator.

>>127940488
You can't do that this late in the game.
>>127935300

This should be mandatory listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4

>>127940180
Well bob, i don't prounounce the girls in "i have two girls" any differently then the girl's in "that girl's cool" so i'm not sure what english you speak.

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>>127940590
Depends what kind of Spanish you like, Spaniards sound like if someone just swallowed a whistle, and mexican Americans talk like thiiis like if they were singing a song, Argentinians and Chilean speak without S at the end of a word "frijoles" frijole"

https://youtu.be/jMII-L4hvqY

Average middle class guy speak like someone in an Anime dub.


https://youtu.be/jMII-L4hvqY

English is weird. You have to learn how to pronounce every fucking word, and english orthography just has no sense.
As for me Dutch is better.

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>>127940915
They have very different emphasis

>>127940997
>dutch
It's a fucking hipster German

Im bilingual in english and spanish both are the languages i grew up speaking spanish tends to be better for shooting off information quickly while english is better for describing things in detail btw im part of la raza cosmica i know you anglo saxons are having a hard time blending but i promise itll come soon enough

>>127940708
Well done sir. I retract my tomfoolery.

>>127940915
You shouldn speak French to be honest.

>>127941097
Brzmi zajebiste

>>127940923
I don't like any spanish because [b d g] do not occur between vowels. it's slovenly.

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Probably is true, spanish its so fucking big we have a lot of words, also nouns have gender like "la camiseta" (the shirt ) is femenine (La)
Or "el pantalón"(the pant) is masculine.

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>>127932262

>>127941054
In your dialect perhaps, vowel merges must make your brain explode.

Speaking it outloud i find no difference in the tone or pitch or anything really between girls and girl's

>>127940522
Kek

t. I can get some words in romanian languages, but romans can't understand a word in Russian

>>127941412
We have mixed genders in Russian

>>127932262
actually futhark is, but nobody knows it anymore
runners up: cuneiform/ancient sumerian and hieroglyphs/ancient egyptian

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>>127941323
Then I don't like English because
[p t k]

>>127936268
I'm guessing context of the whole sentence is not a concept that you are familiar with.

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Spanish song https://youtu.be/tTZ18m4W3gY

>>127941052
imo it's just balance
the 2 extremes are chinese and japanese
chinese: every syllable is a word; missing even one syllable causes the sentence to lose its meaning, so you are forced to speak slower
japanese: like coding, there is a lot of useless syllables, but necessary; missing a bunch of them is fine (as long the other other party acknowledges its existence), so you speak faster
english: a fair balance, can afford to swallow some words, can afford to speak fast; hence, efficient

>>127933794
What does this define?
>Void (*(*(f[])())())

And C is still the best programming language.

>>127933209
Yet they don't speak it in public.

>>127941266
*zajebiście

>tfw a fucking shortcut for spoiler tag is Alt+S, can't make an "ś" here, have to use notepad and cut-paste

WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE POLISH AND TURN OFF ALT+S, I WANT TO MAKE AN "Ś", THANK U

>>127941861
>what does undefined behavior define?
behavior that is undefined as per the standard...?

>>127941455
Why would a reduction in complexity and differentiation be desirable? Out of context they sound the same but it every sentence which one it is is clear, even in your example. I don't even know what you're arguing, you think it's a good idea to pronounce caught and cot the same? You don't think we should shape sentences with emphasis and cadence?

This was an accidental red pill for me, but after taking about one and a half years of French and having a Latin wife who has taken 5+ years of English I would concur with everything about the op.

>>127941679
Yes. Aspiration is so terrible. Remember also to copy me when I like something.


>>127940997
nerderlands heeft het meest dyslexic populatie ter wereld. het problem zit niet met het taal, maar met de kultuur: kinderen hebben meer rechten als volwassene, geen straf in zicht heen.

I hate writing it but it's literally german with some stupid rules applied. I can't say everything I want to say. basically holland treats children like little angels but ignores anything of value they have to say, only money speaks good dutch. so you get a country of narcissistic dickheads raised on a frozen urban wasteland, no nature, no values. Just walls, walls, tourist traps and aloof parents.


I could write a million schizophrenic ramblings on how much I hate the guttermoffs.

Queen in Russian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK087Cjz3aU

Pustaja vera
Začem my vse živĭom?
O čto my iščem?
Kuda my vse idĭom?
Stolĭko zla
Čto zanaves skryvajet - eto liš igra
Nemaja scena
Uvy ubit geroj
I sil bolĭše
Navidetĭ etu bolĭ
Kto iz vas zachočet prodolžatĭ vesĭ etot putĭ sejčas?

t. only a polish-bro can understand something

Also this is latin alphabet which was created at 1906, but nobody use it, and most people even don't know about it

>>127941837
That's a very old lie. Most Mandarin words have two syllables.

Example: "Gonggongqiche" 公共汽车 means "bus".

dian hua "phone" jin tian de tian "daily" etc etc fucking etc.

>>127938953
And no one would say ""A pretty little girls school"" period. That statement is deliberately set up to be ambiguous. Someone in real life would say
>"a school for pretty little girls"
>"a pretty school for little girls"
>"a pretty little school for girls"
>

english is a shit language but considering the other options we could have based on recent history ( german, french, spanish) it is by far the best one out of them.
havent really learned any latin or chinese/arabic so can't comment on the fluidity of those.

>>127932262
It should be chinese so its harder for aliens to learn the language.

>>127933209
>Is easy even for spics

That must be why literally none of the spics - even the anchors babies who are "born here" - can speak a damn word of it.

which Russian do you prefer?

ukrainian (not Ukr. language, it's ukrainian dialect) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPVFmLsqxt4

russian - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfURjg6A3M

French sounds fucking horrendous, Russian sounds the best.

>>127941957
ja widziałem wariant "zajebiste" i mi on się podoba więcej

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>>127940247
>irregular verbs are not unique to english. besides that, the system is regular
it seems you have no idea what you're talking about

>>127942421
Yes spirantization is terrible kangaroo man

>>127943180
thanks

Nirvana - Smells like teen spirit in Russian

but I guess it has another sence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDKokkJJa2M

>>127943320
ur welcome slav bro

>>127932262
I have no need to prove you wrong. I learned in my Communications degree that English is the lowest-context and therefore most precise language ever invented.

NUMBER ONE

The universal language will be in memes. Why use words when images will describe every idea you'd want to convey?

>>127942970
In Tasmania you can get away with using this vowel system:
i y u
e ö o
ä a

just like in finnish. You would need to learn one accent rule: ö becomes ə when unstressed. but keep watching tv and listening to americans and bitching how english so so hard and shit.

dzast laik in finnisj. Jyy wud niid tö löön wan äksent ruul...

>>127942970
English is a pretty lazy fucking language

>>127933794
A pretty little school for girls. Or, a pretty school for little girls.

>>127943505

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnntnDU1eLQ

translate: this is a strange fact - if we will put together Rostov, Taganrog, Shakhty cities - we will get a triangle

>>127943488
I realized this as well while taking spanish in highschool. It's hard to explain, but what you can say in a language like Spanish is so... basic. It's like there might be a single word in Spanish or another romance language that has a million different synonyms with ever-so-slightly-different connotations in English.

And we don't really need to worry too much about word gender and conjugation, which IMO is mostly pointless bullshit.

>>127943276
it really is degenerate.

>>127943238
Finnish subtitles don't even match spoken finnish.

>>127943505
You have such a simple mind and don't even realize it yet. Your understanding of the world is eye candy, it is only through language that the memes may be given meaning.

You think you can see, but in your ignorance your conceptualization is deeply limited and therefore you are blind.

What is pepe without "pepe"? Nothing more than an array of colors.

You dumb Kike, even your own image says Vietnamese is more information dense.

>>127936267
There are different rules in different situations that were picked up from multiple different languages that influenced english.

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>>127943953
>what you can say in Spanish is so basic
>has a million different synonyms

?

>>127944026
For /pol/ everything is degenerate except being in /pol/ all day

>>127944126
Sorry, I thought this was 4chan.
>kike
we don't have those in australia.

>>127943017
Desu they sound mostly the same to me. Though they sound different, Russian definitely sounds well, Russian, Ukrainian sounds like it cannot decide between something like Czech/Slovak/Polish mixed with Russian xD. Disney songs are good for comparison.

>inb4 gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FuDz0Tv_wo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64kw3-2zZVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxqYInBDwss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJZyGJCbtjU

>>127944302
No, in the literal sense of degeneracy: falling apart.

Greek sounds like it does today because of spirantisation. It used to have hard sounds, plosives. It used to sound like one of those bongo-bongo languages. then the Great Slurring happened.

>>127943598
what the fuck? i can read finngolian now? WE WUZ KHANZ N PERKELE

>>127944459
what do you think about extreme kresowiak or just russian accent in Polish?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oukMcedELUU

also ukrainian Russian is more softer for me and I really get the accent differences

>>127944494
I like both I speak both and triying to learn Portuguese, although changin my mind for Romanian or Italian.

>>127941179
Tu dois ecrire un meillier anglais
>>127942289
Saying girls any differently then girl's is unneeded with context. i'm not saying more or less complexity is bad. I have always grown up pronouncing caught and cot the same. although i do know how to pronounce caught the old way. nothing wrong with using tone and inflection pitch and so forth to convey meaning
but the sentence i was originally replying to the sentence "a little girls school" and you need context or to understand properly.

Just Girls and girl's is a very bad example to use because it seems not every english speaker say it the same. i don't need them to be said any differently i just need the context of reading say a book that sentence is in or knowing the person i'm talking too.

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>>127932343
fpfbp

>>127944814
If the example is bad, can you give a good example?

>>127944814
Parce qui je ne parle pas francais parce qui je parle pologne et anglais, mais j'aime musique francaise

that's the all what I can write without google right now xD

>>127942125
It defines f as an unsized array of pointers to functions that return type void.

>>127944459
I heard this song yet, but didn't know about the movie

>>127944714
Understandable for the most part, clearly having trouble with pronouncing "ś", definitely can hear Russian accent in some parts, sort of muffled.

>>127945261
:(){ :&:&};:

I am abandoning this thread.

>>127945034
hahaha j'aime bien musique francais aussi, mais je vis pres du quebec. si je peux parle un pue a mon travail
>>127944962
i need to provide a good example of a sound that needs to be spoken in context to understand? too, two, to.

>>127945783
I can pronounse polish ś, but in ści I prefer to pronounce it like in Russian and some Polish native speakers pronunce it like soft s, no sz too

>>127946126
Fork bombs are against the rules of /g/
>mfw RMS was right again

>>127946336
>si je peux parle un pue a mon travail

this sounds horrible now that i read it again, perhaps donc j'appris pour travail?

>>127945783
what the fuck is the difference between si and sz? They both sound like sh to me. Same goes for your equivalent to english ch/j sounds

>>127946336
that doesn't even need 2 be in context! case in point. It's such a common mistake because it's differentiable by word class: adverb, noun, locative particle.

>>127942970
arabic is a pretty cool language tbqh my family

>>127946818
if i spoke those three words outloud you to you, yes you would need context.

>>127946684
ś - śpię - I'm sleeping
si - siła - force
and there's sz, which is like sh eg. pszenica - wheat

sz isn't anything like sz desu, I don't know linguistics enough make an equivalent in English, maybe there isn't any. It's a very soft "s", sort of.

>>127947008
*to you

i need to spoke less weed, or more...

>>127941878
Spanish is too ubiquitous. Any product or software application that would require English has a Spanish translation. similar story with French in Europe.

>>127947008
That context would be a sentence. Which is why...ah I give up again.

>>127947069
>sz isn't anything like sz desu
I meant ś

Maybe "si" it's more like "see"
siła - see'wa

Kind of works xD I guess you'd have to learn it by hearing and trying to repeat

>>127947117
but you asked me to provide a better example of something that would need more context to understand the meaning of... :( It's supposed to be confusing without context.

>>127932262
Our information density is artificially boosted by our lazy habits of leaving out words and ideas if we assume someone already knows the context

compare this to the Japanese habit of making long-ass sentences

>>127947069
sz is like the "sh" sound if you say "tree", between the t and the r.

not just like, it is physically the same sound, a voiceless retroflex sibilant.

>>127947404
I meant the full shebang, write me a screenplay or something. You know what maybe it's me who needs to smoke a bit more weed.

some of that super old ancient hebrew was incorp'd into some magic chanting shit about how V-8's should be getting 60mpg by now.. they were forever trying to turn dung into gold as well. they still do that shit today to decide the fate of us tax payers!

>>127947558
i'd hook you up but i don't deliver that far.

>>127947443
Yes that's what I meant.

But not "ś" or "si", those are different from "sz".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A

>>127947653
Australia is well-sourced, it grows like trees in the north of the country.

>>127947776
well yeah. in english you say "how a gay person says Shh!" for the alveopalatal sibilant.

>>127940313
Japanese is shit tier in all regards (including written scripts) but few doubt their intellectual prowess.

>>127947797
nice - trees.. I hope therez enough to hang all the aussie fagggs that populate it like (you)

>>127932343
Fpbp op is right. No need to argue

>>127947885
Kek, it doesn't sound gay, more like cute.

But a lisp is what Spanish from Spain do, unlike their colonies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUfyu-sVsM

>>127941412
languages with higher syllable rate requires redundancy for listener clarity. noun gender satisfies this criteria in many undo European languages

>>127947588
donald pls

>>127947413
No its the opposite. English is very precise. Japanese is so inefficient daily Japanese requires context and purposeful ambiguity.

>>127932262
Cuck language. Perfectly embodies the Germanic spirit; all efficiency, zero sense of beauty and soul. Latin should become the international one again.
I'll admit it's a pretty comfy language tho. Lots of things you can say which are impossible to translate in other tongues.

>>127932262
>>127950216
But >least-effort phonological system.
Nope. That's Italian right there.

>>127936846
Ju need to eh-study harder, pablo

>>127934428
Beat me to it. Who needs articles when you've got particles

>>127932262

English is not the same language it was 100 years ago, the poetry of it is gone. It has become a crude pidgin language that has assimilated words from other languages because it is too lazy to come up with its own.

Languages are all the same in how fast they convey information. That paper has bad methodology.

>>127934485
That's why English is not only good, but the best of all languages. Ever. The Lord's tongue of the Englishman was a gift to this world.

All other languages are shit, gay, and backwards.

>Japanese has the highest rate
>common convention in Japanese media is redundancy and mechanical/autistic descriptions of unnatural body gesture
They do it just to fuck with everyone, I swear.

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>>127941582
You would know even more had you not given up on your nationbuilding(and eventually exported it to Western Moldova and/or the rest of Romania).

t. western moldavian slavophile

>>127932262
I noticed this too. It truely takes far longer to get across a point in Spanish. That being said, English vocabulary and grammar is just poor. For simple communication it's great, but you can't be very creative with it.

>>127936533
No, I think that the pen is the sky.

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>>127958914
>"these Spanish memes are so dank"
>t. Nooneever

>>127935919
Fuck dat