>Nietzsche warns that the death of God in society would cause

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>>127913043

> Now we have nothing but vice and degeneration.

Not, not "we", "You".

>>127913643

> No, not "we"...

>>127913643
>some autist no one outside nu/pol/ cares about

>>127914016

...but....but he's doing the secret hand sign, he's doing it! Can't you see, he's secretly one of us, he's just hiding for the normies, can't you see, you just have to look, try. You'll see if you look, just try!

>>127913043
I wish rational people in the West would recognize the value of the moral authority Christianity offered to us, and defend this faith instead of attacking it, only to see it repplaced by a chaotic form of hedonic primitivism as we're currently seeing.

The belief in god helped people to act more righteous, as a whole. Sexual hygiene, honor, family values, and as a whole a staunch conservatism are not easily replaced with something equally beneficial.

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>>127913043
>the devaluation of man, which can only occur without Christianity as a backbone.

That happened when we turned our backs to nature. Christianity is dogma for slaves. The animals God made teach us more than any book. This is his true word.

>>127914416
I'm not longer religious but one thing I do miss about it is the feeling of community it provided. It was nice

>>127913043
WW1 had nothing to do with the death of God, it was the inevitable outcome of Imperialism. WW2 was merely WW1: The Rematch.

>This 2/3rd of Jews in Europe to die
MUH SIX GORILLION

You have to go deeper OP. Everything you see is the result of delusions. The idea of invisible forces punishing those who commit harm upon other humans was the quintessential lie that held literally everything together. Before that, we were not so different from other animals.

>>127916489
Wasn't the driving force behind imperialism greed, which pretty much all religions condemn? God was dead much earlier than 19th century for the ruling elites.

>>127917229
>implying religion held back greed before it died

>>127917356
If someone genuinely believes he'll be punished for it, they would try to fight their greediness. Consider the jains or monks of any religion who truly believed in invisible forces instead of just wanting the convenience of appearing religious for social approval. The words: "You can't serve both God and mammon." comes to mind.

>>127918003
That didn't stop the hundreds of wars in Europe motivated by greed.
Also, a part of imperialism was directly related to religion. We have to bring the true faith to the savages, you know?

Regardless, it's a moot point, as you can't meme religion back to life. It died because we have enough information these days to see that it's bullshit, and if you don't believe in the supernatural part of a religion, you have no reason to follow the moral parts of it.
We need secular morality because religious morality is doomed to fail in an educated society.

>>127918855
>Regardless, it's a moot point, as you can't meme religion back to life. It died because we have enough information these days to see that it's bullshit, and if you don't believe in the supernatural part of a religion, you have no reason to follow the moral parts of it.
That's not why it died. People believe a lot of shit nowadays, and today's elites have developed a social darwinist attitude in which they exploit human faith for their own good and laughing at the people stupid enough to follow them instead of seeing a religion like Christianity as a very wise set of rules for us to live together and steer towards a better future, using the tales and icons of the religion to have common people following (be god-fearing).
It's hybris, really, in the most literal sense.

>>127921078
But if we just see Christianity as merely a very wise set of rules, and not the objective rules as set by a being that will torture you if you disobey, then those rules might as well be secular. There is nothing special about that particular set of rules, then.
Once that is applicable, the less sane rules start to detract, the rules become sub-optimal, and people will make up their own rules to replace them.

Regardless, religious morality can't work unless you can create a perfect religion, but what is the point when you could just create a "perfect" (IMO doesn't exist, but that is purely an opinion) secular morality?

>>127915744
So you're jewish now? oh lad, you're a fool.

>>127913043
>jews dying

>>127913043
> The supremacy of the state over religion, and the devaluation of man, which can only occur without Christianity as a backbone.
I would say that yes this is the case but that mass production was the real destruction of the individual and the sublimation of their libidinal forces went undone.

This is why modern events are comparable. The best solution is to go local and enfranchise the individual at that level.

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>>127913043
Christianity already devalued man and his achievements. It was that same Nietzsche who warded against Christianity as the slave religion it is.

>>127923023
>But if we just see Christianity as merely a very wise set of rules, and not the objective rules as set by a being that will torture you if you disobey, then those rules might as well be secular. There is nothing special about that particular set of rules, then.
That's the whole idea. What makes those set of rules is precisely the supernatural crime & punishment mechanism. A secular, physical enforcement agency for a secular moral code would be pretty much Stalinism 2.0. In religious rules, the judge, jury, executioner is a supposedly perfect being that never makes an error in judgment. That's why people didn't say: "Wow. Fuck that guy." because it's supernatural.

We can't create any secular morality because our whole sense of morality is a byproduct of religion. That's why in some cultures one thing is a taboo, but in another the same thing is absolutely okay. Think of morality as water in a pitcher, and religion as the pitcher; without the water, the pitcher still exists as it was but without the pitcher, the water will just fall down on the ground. In the same way without "God" we cannot maintain a moral society, all attempts would end in a dystopian disaster (methinks).

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>>127913043
>Citing Nietzsche to support muh good boi jew god
Surely this is irony. It's time to take the Nietzsche pill bud.

>This “bearer of glad tidings” (referring to Christ) died as he lived and taught— not to “save mankind,” but to show mankind how to live. It was a way of life that he bequeathed to man: his demeanour before the judges, before the officers, before his accusers— his demeanour on the cross. He does not resist; he does not defend his rights; he makes no effort to ward off the most extreme penalty—more, he invites it... And he prays, suffers and loves with those, in those, who do him evil... Not to defend one’s self, not to show anger, not to lay blames... On the contrary, to submit even to the Evil One— to love him
-The Anti-Christ, pg 21

I suggest you read The Anti-Christ if you have any allusions that Nietzsche was pro-Christianity. On the contrary, he saw it as the ultimate form of nihilism. The Christ does not embrace life, he does not fight for his values, for his convictions. He doesn't care because those things are material, and material is the slave's greatest enemy. Christ was like Buddha in that he preached detachment from the world with the goal of ending suffering, but what great things were ever accomplished without suffering?

Liberalism is the logical conclusion of Christianity, there was no other way this path could have ended. Christ says love thy neighbor, so the liberal invites the world into his house. Christ says do not judge or you too will be judged, so the liberal throws out all concepts of virtue and accepts even the deepest degeneracy and depravity with open arms. Christ says that the Lord will deliver us from suffering, so the liberal seeks to create a world of with nothing but pleasure.

1/x

>>127924739
I don't even understand what you're arguing at this point. My point is that you can't make religion supernatural again. It's lost it's appeal at this point, and no matter how hard you try meme it you won't make people believe it again. Without massive repression (see: Islam), or general ignorance of the world, it's inevitable that people learn about the world and their religion, and decide that reality doesn't line up with their religion. Once that's happened, then nothing but secular morality matters, no matter how shit secular morality is.
There's a reason that religion is dead or dying in every well educated country, and it's because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

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>>127925596
>But in the end one also has to understand that the needs that religion has satisfied and philosophy is now supposed to satisfy are not immutable; they can be weakened and exterminated. Consider, for example, that Christian distress of mind that comes from sighing over ones inner depravity and care for ones salvation - all concepts originating in nothing but errors of reason and deserving, not satisfaction, but obliteration.
-Human, all too Human, s.27

>Destiny of Christianity. -- Christianity came into existence in order to lighten the heart; but now it has first to burden the heart so as afterwards to be able to lighten it. Consequently it shall perish.
-Human, all too Human, s.119

>After Buddha was dead, his shadow was still shown for centuries in a cave - a tremendous, gruesome shadow. God is dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. -And we- we still have to vanquish his shadow, too.
-The Gay Science, s.108

Nietzsche was concerned with values, and how those values are enforced. If we look throughout history, traditionally values have been enforced by God. The great men of history saw their people lacking in morality, so what did they do? They became prophets and gave their people the word of God. But God is dead and we've killed him, so how are our people to retain values? How are we to avoid wanton hedonism, the end of history where all is subsumed by pleasure and moved no more, the last of man?

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>>127927531
In this world devoid of God, what is left? Just us. So then logically, won't we have to become gods ourselves? If man can devote himself to God, in the wake of God's death why can man not devote himself to himself? Why can't man elevate himself above what he is, and become something greater than man, above man in every facet, über man; the Übermensch.

>All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shal1 be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now, too, man is more ape than any ape.
-Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Book 1, Zarathustra's Prologue, 3

>>127913043
The belief in an external god is not only pointless but incorrect.

>>127913043
>Nietzsche warns that the death of God in society would cause chaos and destruction

in what book, source ?

>>127918003
>>127917229

This is not wrong, even if it comes from a Turk. (See we are learning logic)

The power distrance ratio was so stretched out (because of mass production and therefore power per person) that they felt they could tootle around in their cars with their monocles picking up pregnant hookers and plying them with fancy new drugs before going to see a sex show where they spank school boys without punishment becasue they were untochable.

The economy then folds around their will rather than a consensus.