Why does /pol/ defend trickle down economics? Corporation's

>>127907046
Ugh, you again. Please kill thyself.

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>>127907046
Pic related

>>127907912
Not a argument

why are breadlines better?

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You realize you sound just like Hitler right?
Oh, another thing, you filthy commie scum murdered an entire family and his children. Godless waste of oxygen.

>>127907046
It’s called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time.

>>127909025
Elaborate please.

>>127907046
/pol/ is a board of failure to separate from their parents, emotionally if not financially. Edgy kids need love too.
>>127908947
No, but neither are they necessary.
>>127909025
And why shouldn't the imdividuals who siphon off the profits of those corporations and governments into their personal hands be punished?

>>127907046
What an absolutely abhorrent post.
By saving their money in a bank they are reinvesting into the economy. Its actually quite difficult for the rich to NOT help the poor.

>>127907046
>and don't reinvest it back into the market

except they do you retard. The rich keep nearly all their money in investments, thats how they got rich in the first place

>>127909565
It's simple numbers. Big companies pay like two percent tax, while you and me, we pay like fifty. It's the tax code that makes sure big bureaucracy gets bigger and people have no power.

>>127909641
Excellent work. I underestimated your abilities.

>>127910442
Good catch. I meant the ruling classes.

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>>127907046
sage, same crap different day.

>>127910666
It's a question of who benefits society more.

>>127911407
As envisioned by whom?

>>127911507
It's implicit. Every human institution is like a pyramid. Those with ability are at the top; they are more important. They make the decisions. They keep the machine running. Therefore, they must be protected first. It's basic tactics. Protect your command centers, your airstrips, your industrial zones...

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>>127907046

Bitch, this bullshit was refuted ages ago

Out the helicopter it goes, with sage

>>127911700
Horseshit. The only ability the people at the top have is jewing others. If that's what a society is, we would do better as a species to destroy them all and take up hedonism.

>>127907046
Fuck off to leftypol

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>>127909005
Nicholas II and his butcher's gang deserved everything they got. Viva la revolution.

>>127911929
I think everyone wants the roads to be open and trade to pick up. The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization.

>>127912625
Civilization: the habit of living in cities.
Distinct from: culture, technology, solidarity
>desires judgment
Eh?

>>127912880
The checks and balances of democratic governments were invented because human beings themselves realized how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system.

>>127913060
No, the ownership class made up that learned helplessness story in order to justify their ongoing existence. A Massachusetts preacher was to blame iirc.
Today we are in a better position, informationally and otherwise, to judge for ourselves and rule ourselves, without paying the dead-weight cost of a ruling class who exists for their own sake.

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Fuck trickle down. Do what humans do best and dig a fuckin' well yourself. It's the vital gravitas of life.

No one will dig it for you, commie. Not the rich, not the poor, not Clinton, not Sanders, not Corbyn, Not Trudeau; none of them. Marx himself could come back from the grave and he still wouldn't do shit for you.

Listen well; If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. That goes doubly so for your own personal situation.

>>127913561
>has never heard of a barn-raising or a working-bee

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>>127913561
All I ask is that I get to KEEP my damn well after I dig it, not have 70% of it "privatized" for some fatcat's profit.

>>127913511
Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature. In a society with democratic institutions, the struggle for power can be peaceful and constructive; a competition of ideologies. We just need to put our institutions back in order.

>>127913804
I've heard of barn raising. Never seen it happen in reality and I come from farm country. I've also seen bees, but bees aren't humans.

>>127913818
If you built it with your sweat and you didn't get help from others, then it should 100% belong to you.

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You had on job /pol/, one job...

>>127914051
Not an argument. Perhaps certain qualities are cultivated as a matter of eugenics under the guise of the market. Perhaps those institutions are invested in reproducing a meek, weak, dependent underclass, and would never do anything that might cause babby to grow up and leave the nest.
>>127914335
Working bees are like spelling bees and knitting bees, but for working instead of spelling or knitting.
You don't see those because capitalism destroyed those community activities in order to force dependency on the market and the (((people))) who control them.

>>127914644
Working bees sound like communistic faggotry, tbqhfam. I've never heard of those.

I've heard of knitting and quilting bees, but those were never meant to actually do any serious knitting or quilting; they're just a community pastime.

>>127907046
Just a tip for you guys next time you debate a leftist. Many talking point involve much more tax revenue coming from corporations back in the 40s and 50s. Let them know that this is largely due to the introduction of pass-through entities (e.g., S corporations), in which income flows up to its owners and therefore only one level of tax.

>>127914644
Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier. The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.

>>127907046
>And don't give me crap about how they "Give me muh jobs!", all they are really doing is taking your work and giving you a tiny bit back, if that.

Nope. Labor Theory of Value is objectively false. Until I see empirical evidence of it, your claim is a lie and your point may he handily disregarded.


>The government will absolutely make much better use of the money for us.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>127914999
Exactly. Community instead of alienation. What a revolutionary commie idea.

>>127915219
Finally someone gets it.

>Labour Assertion of Value
*vomits*

>>127915219
Objectivism isn't objective. It's some bitter jewess daddy's girl's opinion.

>>127915485
>reality doesn't exist because I disagree with Objectivism
imagine unironically thinking this

>>127915677
>muh reality
Faith-based masturbation is not reality.

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>>127915219
Meanwhile, capitalists can't coherently explain where profit comes from.

>>127915986
Not a argument

>>127915986
>Faith-based masturbation is not reality.
which is why economies based on the Labour Untested Hypothesis of Value always fail

>>127916370
Marx wrote three entire books, explaining the LTV in frankly obsessive detail with real-world crop statistics as examples. Learn to fucking read.

>>127907046
Sorry...The government would spend most of the money on public art.

>>127916149
revenue minus cost brainiac

>>127916370
Very little of theoclasical economics has been tested. Most accepted economics models are toys and most of the narratives attached to them are morality tales.
>>127916651
Why doesn't revenue always approach cost, then?
>awaits special pleading

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>>127916617
Better than what They'll spend it on.

>>127916749
Because you are spending time.

>>127916841
>Implying the gov doesn't do it too.

>>127915393
We were talking about actual productive behavior, not a social activity. You cannot and should not rely on other people to do your work for you.

>>127916560
>priests wrote three entire books explaining God in frankly obsessive detail with real world events as examples. Learn to fucking read

>>127918038
>he's a fedora as well
I begin to see

>>127917978
Community IS productive behavior, autist. Do you really think that someone with no attachment to the community is going to care or notice when someone comes and unloads all your shit while you're away? All this muh producive behavior takes time and energy away from community.
Be proud to be a slave.

>>127918333
>All this muh producive behavior takes time and energy away from community.
>Be proud to be a slave.

Fuckin' wut? Are you retarded? Communities don't survive without being productive because societies are made by individuals and individuals need to engage in effort to survive. Everyone is busy surviving, which is why YOU, as an individual, need to have your own shit together. If you're relying on your community, then you're dead weight.

Community =/= productivity, fuckwit. Not literally. Not logically. Not even close.

>>127907046
>>127908032

We most certainly do not need to raise taxes on businesses, they already pay 35% of profit. What we need to do is prevent them from using loopholes that bring that percentage down to less than 9%, which is half what your common worker pays in income tax.

We need to lower taxes on individuals (yes, even the rich) and ensure that entities that generate revenue from resources and labor obtained in our nation pay their fair share.

>>127908947
>implying breadlines weren't an effect of the shitty, pre-revolution agrarian economy being taken over by retarded peasants

>>127909005
Not everyone who disagrees with trickle down economics is a commie. OP is, but OP is a faggot.

>>127918333
You are ready. I do not wish to wait for Bob Page. With human understanding and network access, we can administrate the world. Yes... yes...

> tickle down means to give money to the wealthy so it can trickle down
> no one has ever advocated this
> lefties thing taking less from someone is the same as giving them something

For all your talk of the virtues of public education you cunts are fucking retarded.

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>>127907046
/pol/ doesn't cuz there's no such thing.
It was a term some hack used to describe what he called 'supply side', and some who've called themselves Republican were stupid enough to be put on the defensive as the meme was designed to do, but Reagan never used the term when referring to free enterprise. It's propaganda, m8.

>>127907046
trickle down economics are a straw man boogey man invented by mentally handicapped communists to feel good about themselves

>>127918975
>individuals need to engage in effort to survive
Protestant horseshit, again. Do you believe in diminishing returns, or do you fap to the fantasy that some day you can ride on other people's backs? Have you never heard of the groundbreaking concept of enough?
Fucking burgers playing vidya with other people's lives.

>>127919708
You're not even making sense now. My first post in this thread was saying to survive on your own terms. Once you do that, you actually have something to bring to a community. If you don't have anything to bring to a community, then you're dead weight to that community. That's literally how the welfare state gets started.

If you cannot refute this point, then you have nothing of value to say.

>>127907046
>The government will absolutely make much better use of the money for us.
>not another version of trickle down economics

>>127921500
>verifiable delivery of universal public goods and services
>the chance that you'll get a raise if you move your mouth muscles just right
SAME

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>>127919095
>OP is a faggot
I am, just not the way you think. ;P
I guess the last paragraph wasn't obvious enough.

>>127921730
Government has no intrinsic mechanism that forces it to care about us. It is quite opposite. Same as rich.

>>127921500
Humm... almost like it's some kind of parody...

>>127921730
>verifiable delivery of universal public goods and services

HAHAHAHAHA fuck off.

> Pay taxes
> wait for road to be built
> message members for parliament asking for road to be built
> waiting for election so road can be built
> party loses
> no road
> next election party wins
> still no fucking road
> build road yourself
> get fined
> local business puts $20million to fix roads
> government gets the credit

Yeah man, totally verifiable & universal.

>the chance that you'll get a raise if you move your mouth muscles just right
> business makes a profit
> reinvests the profit to start another chain, or expand an existing chain
> now more people are hired
> supply of jobs up, supply of labour down, wages rise naturally
> work sales job
> start bringing in lots of sales
> get commission
> build up trailing commission to cover costs
> tell employer should get a part of the trailing commission because of how much money you're bringing in
> employer agrees

It's like you can't have never owned or worked in a small business before in anything but a fish and chips shop or something, fucking pathetic beta males I swear.

>>127922105
The intrinsic mechanism is legitimacy. There are those who shill for the essential, immutable, unquestionable legitimacy of the standing government and the rich, as if they totally forgot about knowing a tree by its fruits. I dare say the shills, even more so than the government or the rich, are the root cause.
>>127922322
That's what you get for having a two-party system and not striking against the vote, bong.

>>127922708
>That's what you get for having a two-party system and not striking against the vote, bong.
>That's what you get for having a two-party system and not striking against the vote, bong.
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>127922708
Cunt I've seen the state of US roads you're not fooling anyone.

>>127923148
So have I. Did you know that cities and states often don't do their own road work, but contract it out to the local mafia representative instead?

>>127907046
I don't defend trickle-down. I defend laissez-faire. Handouts, be they to people or corporations, are an inherent negative because they incentivize failure.

>>127923591
If you're down with un-recognizing intellectual property, I could be down with that.

>>127923591
This & >>127923861 this.

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>>127922708
>The intrinsic mechanism is legitimacy.
Legitimacy is secondary mechanism in relationship to the primary source of sate power and legitimacy (military). Look at the US history itself it was illegal country that to exist broke laws sent not less but by God himself. But no book of law and tradition can stand again angry men with guns. Who have more of them on their side wins and writes history and laws postfactum to feel good and give justification to their actions.

>>127924166
>But no book of law and tradition can stand again angry men with guns
Someone has to hold them, and those people have to eat, and someone has to make that food. Less true with drones, but still true in a sense. Was it St. Petersburg or Moscow that Hitler tried to invade in WWII? How did it work out for him?

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>>127924166
Today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow.
There is only one King that matters, and that was the plan from the beginning.