>he has a high IQ but a low EQ Reminder that if this describes

>>127893555
>EQ
literally what

>tfw high EQ
Heh

>>127893795
emotional intelligence

>>127893555
I know

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>>127893555
I'm high on a Q right now

>>127893555
>tfw 90 IQ and autistic
Why am I even still alive

>>127893555
What about low IQ and High EQ? Does that make me a woman?

I have both a high IQ and high EQ, thus my life is in constant turmoil as the two sensibilities battle for dominance. Sometimes I dream of shoving an icepick up my nose and turning some of my brain matter to mush so I can finally have peace. Please help me.

>>127893555

high IQ, low EQ = probably male / conservative
low IQ, high EQ = probably female / liberal

feel free to prove me wrong

>>127894257
post BP

>>127894257
Yes.
>>127894300
Neck yourself already

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>>127893555
>Emotional Intelligence (EI or sometimes EQ – Emotional Quotient) is a more modern concept and was only fully developed in the mid-1990s, by Daniel Goleman, among others.

https://www.skillsyouneed.com/general/emotional-intelligence.html

Erection quality?

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>>127894227
To help us save the world.

>>127893795
Equalizer setting.

>>127894567
ad hom

>>127893555
No, it's because I'm INTP like most of you

>>127893555

The irony is that the autist is probably more sensitive to the cues of emotion than most people.

The problem is that the autist correlates his level of sensitivity as one that must be felt by other people.

The autist doesn't realize the true shitbaggery of other people. Most people literally "feel" less than the autists but complain about their "feels" at a far higher rate than autists.

The autist is the guy who literally feels pain at a higher level than most people but is far less likely to try to emote about it or illicit attention about it than most other people.

In other words, the autist cripples himself by assuming the best of the rest of man, who seem to have supernatural powers of "don't give a shit".

How reliable are these online IQ tests?

>>127895074
Sounds like you may have a bit of the tism

>>127893919
lol thats gay

>>127893555
EQ was made up by people with low IQ so they could feel less stupid

>>127895074
Holy shit I have autism.

>>127895616
>using gay as an insult
low EQ chimp detected

>>127895861
kay fag

>>127895571

Of course but that's what you deal with in autism. Hypersensitivity to stimuli and the need to deal with it by hyper logical thought.

The pain tests done on normal and autistic subjects are eye opening though. Pain receptivity by a factor of 4x-5x in comparison to "normies" but doesn't show it externally in the same intensity or rate that normies do.

My intuition leans towards the "intense world" hypothesis and all that.

>>127895861
That's really gay, anon.

>>127893555
Emotional sensitivity, something created as a new spear to prod into the ambitions of great men. "Waaaah you just don't caaaaaare, my feefees huuuuuurrrrrt." Bitch get out of the way and die or do something useful.

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>>127896302

>>127893795
Fucking kill yourself you low IQfag

>>127896257
insulting!

>>127893555
im actually low in both aspects

>>127895074
>>>127893555 (OP)
>The irony is that the autist is probably more sensitive to the cues of emotion than most people.
Autists literally have NO empathy, zero, zilch, nada.

FucKing idiots in this thread. You're making the "rural retards" meme become truth with your collective idiocy. You all should read some books before you shame me by browsing alongside you idiots

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>>127896805
>he has a high EQ but a low EQ

>>127896805
Reminder that autismos invented IQ to feel better about themselves
>muh puzzle solving abilities

>>127896921

Yes, I am aware I am a literal retard. Oh well. At least I don't claim to have high EQ.

>>127893555 (OP)

Reminder that brainlets invented EQ to feel better about their dumb selves.

>he has a high EQ but a low IQ
Reminder that if this describes you, you have Down's Syndrome

>EQ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fake "feel good" intelligence isn't intelligence

>>127895861
fagit

>>127896068

I actually have autism and you can get hyposensitivity to pain. E.G. I never notice getting too hot or cold until it's effecting my health and can just ignore injuries indefinitely until they start to look infected and I figure I better get it sorted.

>>127896897
Autism is a spectrum so mega Autists may have no Empathy but most probably do. Or are already fucked in the head from said being too sensitive.

(((EQ)))

so what if someone has a high EQ but a low IQ

>>127896957
>deleting your post
Heh, nice try kiddo

No.127896805
>>127893555 (OP) #

Reminder that brainlets invented EQ to feel better about their dumb selves.

>he has a high EQ but a low EQ
Reminder that if this describes you, you have Down's Syndrome

>>127897251

Hey retard, I posted it again here. >>127897014

>>127893555
Nope. Have a friend that is a math prodigy. Got like 99% and he fucked around in class. Worked a normal financing jobs and pits all of his effort into skydiving. Guy could have been a physicist easily. He doesnt give a fucjk though. O yeah and he drinks about 20 beers a day.

>>127897210
http://archive.is/v9TKb

>>127894257
That only makes you Swedish

>>127897195
Oh light autism I get it now.

You should look at some videos of full blown autists. They treat humans like objects. They don't make eye contact, they don't avoid or anything: they simply don't react.

And they can play with some weird object for hours on end. Looks insane, some autists just tapping at the stream of water from a faucet.

Also:: full blown autists almost always have sub 90 IQ as well. Very rarely will you find an idiot savant among autists. like 0.0000001% of cases maybe

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I'm both exceptionally sensitive to social signalling and also extremely gifted conventionally. Get on my fucking level, plebs.

>>127897526
It was a hypothetical question though.

>>127896897

Most competent autists have empathy. But they're debilitated by hyper-perception, hyper-memory, and hyper-attention to the streams of stimuli.

They like repetitive things because it's less cognitive work to process and thus less pain to systems that are hypersensitive.

As for empathy, they make the mistake of assuming people "feel" like them. Which makes them feel dumb and inadequate because they see these people who just take care of shit with no inhibitions. Truly what supermen normies seem like!

>They don't make eye contact,

Another mistake of our assumption. That eye contact is as "intense" for the other person as it is for us. Truly normies are superhuman in this aspect as well.

ha ha ha

>>127893555

Super high IQ - check
Can read people like a book, unless they are super high EQ/IQ like me - check

Where do I get my crown and scepter to be the king of you filthy animals

So apparently if you don't mind "racist" jokes you have low EQ

>>127894873
would be, except that he's a JOURNALIST - not a psychologist
https://www.quora.com/What-is-more-beneficial-in-life-a-high-EQ-or-IQ
there is no such thing as EQ. in order for a concept to be psychometrically valid, you need to be able to distinguish it from other traits, and be able to use it to predict the important ways that people vary.
but there's nothing to it that hasn't been accounted for already by cognitive ability (IQ) and the Big Five Personality Model.
EQ is just one more corporate fad that managers and human resources used to bullshit about the value of their non-technical competence

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>>127894873
>starts the thread with an ad hom
>whines when given ad hom in response
Of fucking course IQ does not necessarily mean successful. That article was the intelligence equivalent of a scientific explanation on how water is wet.
This is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to have feelings replace fact.

>>127897963
Yep, pretty much. It takes a significant lack of empathy to think racist jokes are ok

>>127895861
>gay isn't an insult

:^)

>>127894873
Most psychologically concepts invented by Jews are bullshit, so not really. There's a difference between ad hom and pattern recognition.

>>127897959
Same here. Question, do you sometimes feel like all interaction you have with normies is just acting? And not in a psychopathic way. The only true "me" is my thoughts. Anything that comes out of my mouth is window dressing.

>>127897713
This.
IQ will never count for shit without EQ

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>>127893555
fuck off shlomo

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>>127895861

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>>127895861
faggot

>>127893555
so what

>>127893555
I got that.
Drives women insane.
Makes for hateful sex sometimes.

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>>127897836
I disagree that autists (full blown) have any empathy. They all fail this simple test
>Pic related: the answer is Ann is a whore

Empathy is your ability to place yourself in someone else's mind. An autist assumes Sally knows what Ann knows even though Sally was not there when the ball was moved. Not having empathy makes you goddamn stupid socially.

This isn't caused by super hyper senses or whatever you claimed

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>>127894300
Take the Christ Pill.

>>127899372
Oh.. clever, so instead of a medical lobotomy, I can perform a psychological one.

>>127899530
Topkek

>>127894227
still smarter than a 150 iq leftie math professor in regards to tribe survival, you're the alpha in straightjacket.

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>>127899264
So what's the answer? Why is this even a question?

>>127895861
gay

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>>127893555
Hey guys do I have am autismo

>>127893555
>makes bait thread
>gets trips
nice

>>127899530
You mean instead of a physical one.

The atheist is retarded, surprise surprise.

>>127895018
no fuck u i'm infp lol

>>127893555
EQ is fake news
https://youtu.be/3QeRB-XbM2s

>>127900885
LETS ALL POST OUR MBTIS UNPROMPTED LIKE FUCKING FAGITS

>>127893555
>implying EQ exists

If you have a high IQ, you have a high EQ. End of story.

>>127899264
Well, she might check around the house, or the box, because she's not going to find it in the basket.

>>127901131
EQ isn't innate. EQ is learned... you might say, """"environmentally influenced""", unlike IQ. If you have high IQ, and aren't an arrogant soulless prick, you can learn how to relate to people. Whether empathy comes natural to you or not, just learning about others' motivations is often enough to give you a working, if not strong, sense of empathy.

That it's environmental is a reason why a lot of people in academia want to put it on the same standing as IQ. It's really stupid though-- what exactly do they hope to achieve by giving false hope to an entire generation? What good will it do? Do they just not want to have to be the one who, metaphorically, takes all the dumb kids aside and sets them straight before their lives collapse under the weight of their impossible dreams?

160 iq
80 eq

looks like its confirmed i have autism.

>>127901356
Yeah but she looks in the basket first

Why would I waste my precious brain bumps on how some faggot feels

>>127901808
Basically, no, there's no such thing as multiple intelligences. There's only IQ, and it has reliably predicted life outcomes since even before it was reformulated and more rigorously established as "the g quotient" (lowercase g, as written).

With a high IQ, you can excel in arts, music, whatever you put your mind to. With a high IQ you learn faster, are more trainable, even in highly kinesthetic domains there's a huge correlation with IQ and overall performance. If you are smart you can discern what you're doing that's successful, and you can remember what works. You are fast on the uptake, and you make fewer mistakes. It's just the way things are and nothing anyone does, at least until we get our GMO utopia, will ever be able to change it.

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>>127901808
What about autists like me that can be a sociable king(not in every situation of course) if I so want but get tired, can sometimes shapeshift to a douche or just longing for checking out most of times?

I regard my EQ as low despite having empathy and all that, purely on how uninterested I am in socializing. Think a lot here can relate.

>>127893555
I had exam today. Sat next to an autist who whispered unrelated things to himself. Thought he gonna btfo me on the exam, but I still finnished earlier than him and I did fill in everything.
>W-
Yes, computer science.

That said IQ > EQ. Everyone feels, but not everyone thinks.

>>127901983
What valid test goes up to 160? I only ever get "155+"

>>127899264
What if I answer she'd look both places because fuck me if I can remember where I put anything sally looks like a hag, I bet her memory can't be any better than mine.

>>127900743
You're a pleb

>>127893919
Fucking useless

>>127902509
It sounds like you're just an introvert with low linguistic ability (introvert = you feel drained after interacting with people, low linguistic ability = not understanding the precise definition of words... Autism doesn't just mean "I have people issues," it means that you have no theory of mind. Even if you find it draining, if you have the ability to empathize at all you don't have autism)

Look at >>127899264. Did you get it right without having to stop to think about it for a second?

>>127901808
Empathy is inherent and learned.

>>127893555
and i literally have both.. come at me faggots

>>127902203
No shit, Sherlock.

>>127903038
That's interesting, I always thought I had autism but I guess it could just be some intense introversion, it's possible.

On the image I first guessed the basket, then I noticed you could see the ball under the blanket so I didn't know what to make of a final guess.. So basket if that was not intended or box/elsewhere if not. Maybe I'm stupid.

>>127903138
The ability to project your mind into someone else's frame of reference is innate. There are actually dedicated neurons that explicitly handle this task-- the "mirror neurons".

The social "clues" that others give off, such as facial expressions, and really just overall situations, are learned.

Think of it this way... If you haven't had much experience being sad around people, you won't be able to spot it in other people. When a normal person is around other people, they subconsciously project others' posture, tone, etc... onto their own body. When their pattern matches the same patterns you were enacting when you felt a certain way, you get a ping of recognition.

That's really how it works. You identify facial expressions in others through simulating their kinesthetic stimuli--their muscle contractions etc-- on your own face. When you associate the physical feeling from your memory of how you felt when your own body was in the same position, you understand their emotional state.

Autists lack this automatic ability to model others' behavior this way. Lots of people appear autistic because they have grown up so isolated that they haven't had any practice, they haven't built up a "database" of emotional state to kinesthetic mappings, so that's why they seem to lack empathy.

>>127904245
Also, understand that your own muscles don't have to contract for this to work-- you don't involuntarily change your facial expression to match other peoples, though the motor neurons associated with them DO light up. The human brain has the ability to simulate muscle contractions etc... seen in other human bodies. This is the evolutionary basis for empathy.

>>127895074
>mfw this describes me

>>127893555
>but a low EQ
There is literally no such thing.

>>127903038

That's not necessarily what autism means. There are plenty of autistic people with a theory of mind. The problem is the crippling hypersensitivity which skews how they perceive the minds of other people.

>That test

That's a test for morons. I've been with plenty of spergy people that could pass that test far faster than most people. The problem is hypersensitivity skews theory of mind in autistic patients.

Not to mention the persistent anxiety, stress, problems in sequencing, etc. That's one of the problems in actually testing autistic kids. Anxiety skews "measured" response and cognition to stimuli. It's not an exclusive either/or problem.

Imagine if things were so intense that you couldn't really think or act clearly and did poorly on tests that involve holding a sequence of symbols/imagery in order to pass.

>>127904696
It's made up like "genders."

>>127904245
This is also suggested to be a reason why autists are really good at certain, narrow tasks. Their "mirror neurons" are repurposed to other tasks... though generally nowhere nearly as effectively as neurons for any particular type of task.

The single most mental-computation intensive task a human being ever undertakes is interacting in real time with other humans. We are so perfectly adapted to it that it mostly just happens without us even thinking about it.

But, still, EQ is not a thing. These mirror neurons are either there or they aren't. Having more "effective" mirror neurons isn't going to make you more empathetic-- at least, not to a degree that can't be obliterated by just having more overall intelligence.

>>127893555

What the hell is EQ

>>127905011
CONT.

And then imagine if normies took this as an accurate measurement of your potential theory off mind as opposed to one held back by elevated levels of anxiety and disorientation.

Give an autist some sort of LSD or LSD-like hallucinogen and you'll someone experience a revelation that was held back.

>>127905011
Yeah, you're right. I've been talking more about what they used to call aspergers. The kind of autism you're talking about is something different (and it's probable that a lot these disorders are actually clusters of a bunch of different things too).

Please excuse my low linguistic ability.

>>127905558
>auties on LSD
Please elaborate.

>>127905617

No! I'm precisely talking more about those towards the Asperger's spectrum. Active ToM is hard when being around other people is disorientating in a mental way that you don't want to emote.

Especially kids. Most people are terrible at testing kids because they assume they're little adults, not developing neurologies that already have elevated levels of stimuli sensitivity.

>>127905929
OK, so what do you call people who don't have theory of mind (but aren't sociopaths)?

>>127905895

The experience of a different frame of mind. Which enables metaphorical and analogous extension to the calculation/theory of "other minds".

The experience also dampens stimuli sensitivity with waves of pleasure and the introverted nature of the experience allows autists to crutch on their strength (introverted thinking) to navigate feelings and emotions.

What would make a normie bash his head against a toilet bowl becomes an amusement of interior thought.

>>127906221

Disabled. Although those on the lower-functioning spectrum of autism also (usually) have co-morbid lack of empathy.

>>127893555
>high IQ
>autism
no.

>>127905929
And really, these labels we put on these disorders are really imprecise. The DSM only requires that you meet a certain set of criteria to be diagnosed with a certain illness, but the fact that many of these symptoms are so very different (despite their comorbidity) and the fact that they keep on changing them really implies that there isn't just a single phenomenon at play here-- or at the very least, that we don't have a very good understanding of it.

>>127893555
What if you have a low IQ and high EQ what does that make you?

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>>127893555
>EQ

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Hey guise I'm going to make up a set of arbitrary rules...

If you don't fit in enough for me to exploit you I will assign a pathology to you.

k?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>127906637

That I agree with. Honestly I think we won't have a bullet-proof representation for another half century until neurology is able to do relative magic with mapping of behaviors with individual networks.

Another irony of (functional) autism: We can handle uncertainty to a degree that normies can't. Therefore we find ourselves surrounded by idiots who act like trained dogs and say all the medical dogma (of their particular practice) with none of the calculated weighing and detailed sequencing of what we consider to be basic preconditions to a "truth".

>>127906534
>Disabled. Although those on the lower-functioning spectrum of autism also (usually) have co-morbid lack of empathy.
Something just isn't jiving here. My experience with autistic kids was the less charming Napoleon Dynamite types... Kids who would just say or do things that were completely inappropriate. Drawing pictures of topless barbarian warrior princesses in class, imitating other kids without any consideration of the context (imagine the vanilla white kid who starts flashing gang symbols at the homies) or who can't take their own attractiveness into account when looking for people to ask out. Crap like that.

kill some cult members and torture their children

>>127907427
There were some of the very cloistered, sensory-overwhelmed types who wouldn't talk much, but they obviously didn't leave as much of an impression. Now that you're telling me this stuff it's got me wondering.

Source: When I was growing up my sister was a psych who dealt with groups of kids "with special needs".

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>>127893555
HA ! you = btfo

>>127907427

Autistic kids are almost never charming. I was a terror of a brat because I needed constant stimuli to blot out "the silent intensity". I'm failing to find a more appropriate term. For the sake of those who are different, I also have comorbid ADD.

In a sense I guess it's effective lack of empathy. If you're so busy trying to be distracted that you make a complete ass of yourself. You assume everyone else has the same sense you do.

Hell I was a brat 'till I tried hallucinogens in my early twenties. They gave me a relief and an understanding no other class of substance did. It took a lot of pain and effort though.

And I had ToM but that was eclipsed by the need for constant distraction. Oh and I switched to a keto diet which helped as well.

>>127908303
CONT

Also got ritalin which hasn't been magical but it's enabled a lot of thought and executive planning and action that would've been impossible in the craving for constant distraction.

>>127908303
I still really think there are a LOT of people who are labeled as autistic who don't fit what you're describing. They didn't seem overwhelmed, just childish. They didn't seem to have a suppressed theory of mind. You could, with effort, get them into a state where they consider other peoples' points of view, but it just seemed completely uninteresting to them. It wasn't like a traumatic thing, or something they'd resist engaging with. It was like they were just blind to it.

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>>127907427
>can't take their own attractiveness into account when looking for people to ask out. Crap like that.
I can't image what sort of person would ever do that.

>>127908980
>I still really think there are a LOT of people who are labeled as autistic who don't fit what you're describing.

You have a point. Chris-chan isn't going to start modeling empathy anytime soon.

I just think there's also a lot of people who are lumped with the above and yet have a different problem in spite of having, at least, a rudimentary ToM.

>>127909531

Speaking of which jesus christ. Looking at him makes me think there's quite the difference in outcome for how one rears autistic kids. I had to run away, be homeless, join the military, be homeless after, and only then did I negate a lot of bad habits from my childhood.

>military but autistic?

It's possible but fucking christ, submarines are the worst fucking job for an autist. Which is different from worst job for a beta. Saw a lot of genuinely smart people being subservient and treated like mere technical monkeys.

>>127893555
There is no such thing as EQ. Let me repeat that: "There is NO SUCH THING AS EQ." The idea was popularized by a journalist, Daniel Goleman, not a psychologist. You can't just invent a trait. You have to define it and measure it and distinguish it from other traits and use it to predict the important ways that people vary. EQ is not a psychometrically valid concept. Insofar as it is anything (which it isn't) it's the Big Five trait agreeableness, although this depends, as it shouldn't, on which EQ measure is being used (they should all measure THE SAME THING). Agreeable people are compassionate and polite, but they can also be pushovers. Disagreeable people, on average (if they aren't too disagreeable) make better managers, because they are straightforward, don't avoid conflict and cannot be easily manipulated. Let me say it again: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EQ. Scientifically, it's a fraudulent concept, a fad, a convenient band-wagon, a corporate marketing scheme. (Here's an early critique by Davies, M., Stankov, L. and Roberts, D. Emotional intelligence: in search of an elusive construct. - PubMed - NCBI ; Here's a conclusion reached by Harms and Crede, in an excellent article -- comprehensive and well thought-through (2010): "Our searches of the literature revealed only six articles in which the authors either explicitly examined the incremental validity of EI scores over measures of both cognitive ability and Big Five personality traits in predicting either academic or work performance, or presented data in a manner that allowed examination of this issue. Not one of these six articles (Barchard,2003; Newsome, Day, & Catano, 2000;O’Connor & Little, 2003; Rode, Arthaud-Day, Mooney, Near, & Baldwin, 2008;Rode et al., 2007; Rossen & Kranzler,2009) showed a significant contribution for EI in the prediction of performance after controlling for both cognitive ability and the Big Five...

>>127910569
For correlations involving the overall EI construct, EI explained almost no incremental variance in performance ([change in prediction] = .00. Findings were identical when considering only cases involving an ability-based measure of IE....Harms and Crede also comment: "...proofs of validity [for EI[ seem to come from measuring constructs that have existed for a long time and are simply being relabeled and recategorized. For example,one of the proposed measures of ESC,the Trait Emotional Intelligence Questionnaire (Mikolajczak, Luminet, Leroy, & Roy,2007), makes use of measures of assertiveness, social competence, self-confidence,stress management, and impulsivity among other things. Most, if not all, of these constructs are firmly embedded in and well-accounted for by well-designed measures of personality traits such as the Hogan Personality Inventory (Hogan & Hogan, 1992)and the Multidimensional Personality Ques-tionnaire (Tellegen & Waller, 2008). The substantial relationships observed between these ESC and trait-based EI measures, and personality inventories, bears this out. It therefore appears that the predictive validity of ESC or EI measures may be accounted for in large part by the degree to which they assess subfacets of higher-order traits relevant to the outcomes being predicted. For example, Cherniss (2010) relates that two studies of self-discipline showed them to be significant predictors of academic performance and then criticizes Landy (2005) for not taking them into account in a review of studies of ‘‘social intelligence.’’ Given that self-control (or impulse control)is widely regarded as a major subfacet of conscientiousness (Roberts, Chernyshenko,Stark, & Goldberg, 2005) and that numerous studies have linked Conscientiousness with academic performance, that there is a link between a facet of Conscientiousness and academic performance is hardly news."

>>127909531
Oh my fucking god that kid. Every parent needs to be shown his videos, just as a cautionary tale.

What goes through the minds of these oedipal mothers when they do this shit?

>>127899264
There is a big difference between empathy & theory of mind, a psychopath has great theory of mind but no empathy, an autist, assuming not too severe, can have poor theory of mind but also some empathy.

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>>127894567
always right