you literally can't refute this. islamic extremists do not

>>127857972
It has everything to do with Islam. The "innocent" are the ones that enable the radical.


There is not a single follower of Islam who does not condone the actions of ISIS, as they are inspired directly by the actions and words of Muhammad.

>>127857972
Are you a Leaf on holiday in the Netherlands?

>>127857972
>Muslims like to blow shit up so much that they almost always end up blowing even each other up!
>let's import some into our countries!

>>127857972
but they say the magic words ;alla ho ackbar when they do the bombings so who can say they're not islamic? seems like people who don't do bombings and murders are not islamic actually.

ISIS is killing the "untrue" muslims who aren't willing to slaughter in the name of Allah.

>>127857972
>haha retards associate with some stupid fairytale made by a warmongering pedo but they're still good people lol

>>127857972
Yes you can.
It's been happening just like that since Mohammad died. Muslims have slaughtered each other since that day, during Ramadan because they believe the ornery Muslims are wrong.
Sorry toothpaste, YOU can't argue with history. It happened long before isis was someone's wet dream.

>>127857972
it has everything to do with islam. different versions of islam fight each other

*sips absinthe

religion is cancer, if they were in a cooking class or interpretative dance school that was known for suicide bombings the "moderates" could just leave, but cant do that with muh spirituality

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>>127857972
Muslims are cancer whether they're blowing you up or not.

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>>127858219
Please, even obongo-leaf isn't that fucking retarded (well close).
>>127857972
>this has nothing to do with islam
Fuck goat fucker

>>127857972
Democrats are running through this place like roaches right now, ugh.

>>127857972
Of course not all muslims are bad but if those innocent muslims doesnt step up and take matters to cleanse those bad fruits in their group then every people will generalize.

That's why the muslims in MIndanao here ASKED military help from dutdut to cleanse those fucks off the map.

Being rotten spreads so you have remove the virus inorder for it not spread further.

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>>127857972
>our holiest month
>flag
opkankere

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No Orcposting in a goatfucker thread.
I'll fix that.

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>>127857972
The muslims that are killed are muslims that are not muslim enough. Allah has two enemies in the islamic texts, the unbeliever and the unfaithful. This is also why they do honor killings and someone who leaves islam is to be killed aswell.

Go check out also sites like religionofpeace.com that documents many more of the cases than the western media reports because it does not rely simply on western sources.

It's simply bogus to say that a muslim that kills another muslim doesn't represent islam, because that's done all the time and is in the qu'ran and sunnah and the sharia which stems from it, to do.

In sharia law BEING in islam and then LEAVING it OR NOT FOLLOWING IT CORRECTLY is actually WORSE than not being a muslim but not yet distanced yourself from islam. Because the infidel who hasn't distanced himself from islam and allah still has a chance to embrace islam.

TL;DR who isis and other terrorist organizations, when they kill muslims it is because they are murtad status for not following sharia law. They are essentially excommunicated from the faith/treated as if they have left islam by not following it and the punishment for that/leaving islam is death.

A few important things, notice that they never talk about the christians that are killed they always talk about the muslims and how it is bad for the muslims.

Here's why, and this might blow your mind but it's very accurate. In islam the only ones considered INNOCENT are the practicing muslims that adhere to sharia law. So when they say they don't condone the killing of innocent this is deciet to you the infidel, because what they mean is that they do not condone any ADHERENT MUSLIMS that were killed. They have not condemned christians or others that have been killed, because doing so would be disobeying allah that says to kill or convert or dhimmi them to islam and install sharia law in their nations

can you stop making these threads every single day?

>>127860414
>can you stop making these threads every single day?
It's called dawah and taqiyya/kitman/idtirar, he's a muslim so he's defending his faith/trying to make muslims look good even when they do bad things, as he is instructed to do. In other words good luck with that my friend.

>>127859802
ditto. kanker op, op

lekker voor je, kankermoslimus

>>127857972
oh but a few catholics priests rape children and some others carried out the inquisition and suddenly EVERY CATHOLIC IS A PEDOPHILE BARBARIC BASTARD right?

fuck off, the only good mudslime is the dead mudslime

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>>127857972
It has everything to do with Islam.

>>127860352
(cont) This is also why when you ask them will you condemn the killing of these christians, or these buddhists, or these hindu, or these whatever.. They will always say.. "ofcourse we do not condone the killing of INNOCENTS, this is forbidden in islam to kill innocents" Notice they do not mention that particular group only innocent. And yes that is forbidden in islam to kill innocents, but innocents IS DEFINED AS ADHERENT MUSLIMS ONLY! And noone else, so whenever a muslim say innocent think automatically and know that they mean only adherent muslims, that is the only thing innocent means in islam, a non muslim is guilty for not following allah's law, and a murtad one who has left the faith, is guilty of abandoning it, both carry the death penalty if they denounce islam and refuse to be a dhimmi. The dhimmi thing only works if muslims run the empire/nation in which they ask this of you, otherwise the only thing that can get you out of it is converting to islam.

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>>127857972

fuck off muzzie

>>127857972
The dead were Shia, one of the sects that the majority of muslims seem to love shitting on. Shia and other muslims aren't even safe in Europe from the majority, there are gang wars and murders here all the fucking time. Islamic extremism isn't just limited to terrorism, you're also guilty of racism, religious bigotry, industrial scale rape, political fraud to subvert our laws and demographics, and all of this falls under "moderate islam" so it makes you even worse. Islam needs banning from the West, no exceptions.

>>127860692
this

>>127861379
Yeah the sunni do not consider shia adherent muslims, and the shia do not consider the sunni adherent muslims. So take a wild guess why they are at eachothers throats..

But they are both muslims in most other aspects so don't kid yourself with believing that the shia somehow are your best friend. Shia have killed christians and others many times aswell.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170517-shia-cleric-iraq-christians-infidels-who-must-convert-or-be-killed/

What is he reciting, same thing i told you they use the same script.. convert to islam, pay jizya (be dhimmi) or be killed. So don't be fooled by them being shia muslims just because the sunni and shia are at eachothers throats, the shia are very much muslims in most other respects than their disagreement with the sunnis about who is "adherent muslim".

>>127857972
if muslims were good people, they wouldn't build mosques and return to their shitholes once they get's less shitty.
Proof is in the pudding!

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ITT
>GO TO WAR GOYIM

>>127857972
The crusaders also slaughtered a bunch of christians, I guess that means the crusaders weren't christian nor they did represent christianity

>>127857972
kys

>>127862381
What rhymes with exemplar

>>127857972

They might not represent the majority of islam but they are representing about 20% of them.
We are talking about 300.000.000 people here.

>>127861937
Where do wahhabi fit in with Shia/Sunni?
I've been hearing about all three but can only find Sunni/Shia info.

>>127857972
>Niggers kill other niggers too, so why don't you want to live around niggers

>>127857972
But they're always killing each other, what's new?

>killing the kafir in the name of allah
>not holy

>>127862305
Dude the muslims wants to kill the jews too and as they say "drive them into the sea" (higher % of jew hatred in the qu'ran and sunnah than in mein kampf eventhough it's smaller in volume) but they want to kill us aswell. Yes the jews detest the christians especially the orthodox jews either but when was the last time you saw a jew beheading a christian?

tl;dr both the jews and the muslims dislike us, but the jews don't want to go into our streets or behead us or force us to live under sharia weither we convert to islam or become a dhimmi (non muslim living in a muslim nation with very limited rights and easily can do or say something bad that offends islam will cause their execution, even leading a muslim away from islam can end you up dead), and the jews don't want us to force all nations of the world to adopt judaism either. Tell me i'm wrong about this?

>GO TO WAR GOYIM
In case you've been living under a rock they're kind of coming to our countries.

Is this the OP by any chance, because that seems to be what usually happens whenever you start to talk about what islam actually teaches or its history and the muslim gets in trouble then it's deflected with "ah must be a jew then".

This is because they know that many jews don't like us and we don't like the jews all that super much either, but atleast don't want to mass murder them so they use that as a gambit in any discussions about islam which is a bit annoying.

Judaism is bad imo and the jews not liking christians very much etc. is not a good thing, but Islam is definately just as bad if not more. And presents a much greater problem because they're 1.4 billion practicing muslims on the planet and about what.. 15-20 million jews? So even if you say they are both threats, which one is the biggest threat?

>>127857972
The fact that muslims and other groups are constantly killing each other (blacks in USA for exemple) just proves how dangerous they are and proves that we should never allow them to live among us

>>127857972
Different islamic sects celebrate the start of ramadan differently, you bigot. Who are you to judge their culture?

>>127862602
Wahhabi are a Fundamentalist Sunni sect.

Saudi Arabia is a Wahhabi kingdom with strict sharia.

the Islamic State Caliphate use free Saudi textbooks in their schools, Saudi Arabia fund wahhabi Imams to spread their version of Sunni Islam to Europe.

>>127862602
>>127863457
also see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam

>>127862602
>Where do wahhabi fit in with Shia/Sunni?
Wahabi is sunni, salafist is sunni, isis is sunni salafist an extremely hardcore version of islam or according to them the truest islam that follows basically to the letter the qu'ran and sunnah and are therefore extremely militant. Sunni is the most widespread muslim or essentially the arab islam, they follow the qur'an and sunnah.

Shia is more focused in iran and spread out in various places and essentially is the persian version of islam after they were converted. They have a very different take on it.

They both consider eachother essentially non adherent muslims so they get very easy at eachothers throats because of what the punishment for that is in islam.

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>>127857972
Because ISIS is the only reason, why I hate Islam.

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>>127857972
Suicide bombers are just the tip of what's wrong with Islam.

>>127858134
That's not really true as the Quran actually has the holy war against non-belivers as the secondary or lesser Jihad. The Quran has the war on temptation as the true Jihad of all Muslims. From an idealogical stand point the use of Jihad had been dead for centuries and it was mysteriously brought up in the region of Afghanistan during the 80's and used to unite the disparate tribes of Afghanistan and push the Soviets out of there. Gee I wonder who could have reminded them about Jihads, especially as usually Islamic militants put out fatwas against people..........

Europeans fought on Christmas in ww1 and 2

>>127863877
And easter*

>>127857972
How dare you as a white judge whether or not a person is a Muslim or not, regardless of his motivation and attire?
You racist cunts should really stop assuming on other's behalf. If the man says he is a Muslim, then hell yeah I will agree he is a Muslim. A bomb in hand or not.

>>127857972
this makes me even more afraid of bringing muslims in, they slaughter each other by the bombloads, god forbid when they enter the territory of their eternal enemies

>>127857972
Aren't the retards in ISIS the ones who follow the Quran the closest?

>>127858248
>>127858520
>>127858654
>Context is everything
Ramadan is like the holiest month for Muslims, according to the Quran you're supposed to have ceasefires with other Muslims and stuff. They are breaking core tenants of Islam to attack people which according to their own doctrine condemns them to hell forever in death

>>127858504
That is how Isis sees it. This does put them in the category of people like the WBC who actively call for the downfall of the US at the hands of God...

>>127863772
Wives should obey their husbands and adultery should be punished. Don't cuck by criticising muslims for that.

BTW I'm not muslim - fuck mohammed.

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>>127857972
this user would be lashed, no matter if it's the girl on the picture or a boy looking at girl pictures

>>127863792
>That's not really true as the Quran actually has the holy war against non-belivers as the secondary or lesser Jihad. The Quran has the war on temptation as the true Jihad of all Muslims.

Quote me it, this is more bullshit as is expected ofcourse. About jihad being struggle from within-

You want to know what jihad is? Here you go here is 288 narrations of muhammad telling you what jihad is and that it carries the highest reward in jannah and then he goes on to explain what it is, which is warfare against the unbeliever/fighting for the cause of allah which ofcourse includes instituting sharia law in all nations of the world by conquest/killing or by migration or conversion. Which is the ultimate goal of islam.

http://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85-/3853-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-052-hadith-number-041.html

This is from sahih bukhari the hadiths from the sunnah 2nd in authority next to only the qu'ran. So there's no question of if muslims consider it valid or not. Go read it. In it you also find justification for jihad via piracy via a dream muhammad had of his warriors sailing the sea, this is what lead to the muslim raiders/pirates aswell as the barbary pirate wars with the US.

Once you click through that, the argument that jihad is a struggle to be a better person extremely difficult to make! Unless you mean being a better person is fighting for the cause of allah that is.

>>127857972
>our holiest month
>Dutch flag

I want to die.

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>>127864233
>BTW I'm not muslim
sure thing muhammed

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>>127858753

There's a 100% chance that ISIS is saying the same about the "Muslims" they killed.

>>127864341
Well in fairness I never said that the "true" jihad wasn't a hastily put together excuse by their profit. I mean if you'd just conquered as much as he had would you not want to try and control them before they break the fuck down and either start murdering everyone or each other?

Also the hadiths are open to interpretation, frequently commented on and debated by Imams across the world. My Quran reading is a bit rusty as I've been reading the Tao te Ching recently. That shit is like a concrete octopus.

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>>127860414
when this timer stops...

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>>127857972

>>127861376
Saved.
It is indeed representative of the attitude of "moderates"

>>127857972
Turks kill Muslim Kurds, I guess no one in turkey is Muslim.

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>>127864968

>>127857972
ISIS doesn't consider them to be muslim.
They would attack us as well at the sight of the first political cartoon about their political ideology, Islam.

>>127864947
>Well in fairness I never said that the "true" jihad wasn't a hastily put together excuse by their profit. I mean if you'd just conquered as much as he had would you not want to try and control them before they break the fuck down and either start murdering everyone or each other?

Islam and jihaad actually only REALLY took offf with regards to conquests after muhammads death and them following the marching orders they were given. So, that's not really a good explanation. And the ones who lead those conquests knew muhammad well so they weren't confused about what he wanted them to do.

>Also the hadiths are open to interpretation, frequently commented on and debated by Imams across the world.

They're really not if you read them there's not really much to interpret differently they are very straight forward. The only reason why it took so long for us to realize what they taught was that a muslim must learn arabic after converting. And they kept their texts in arabic which others didn't really understand that well.

Also this is from where they derive the sharia law, it's essentially taking all the laws and directions out of the qu'ran and sunnah and turning them into a lawbook. If you want a modern lawbook of the sunni persuasion try to get a hold of the book called "reliance of the traveller" which is made by al ahzar university essentially the gold standard in sunni islamic jurisprudence of deliberating these things over many many hundreds of years, made for muslims by muslims.

And if you look at their conclusions things like honor killing is justified, it also says how people who of sound mind chooses to leave the faith is to be put to death and various other things and cites the various passages to confirm that this is the case.

Understand also though that massive amounts of the muslim world is illiterate so they rely on the imams and sheikhs to tell them, so many of them don't even realize how bad islam is.. But you can read it.

>>127863457

Where do you think some of those weapons trump greenlighted for the Saudis are gonna end up?

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< IS ginger
< IS spastic

>>127864947
>there are no absolute rulings in islam
It's essentially what you're saying, the "it's open to interpretation" i'll brush off you as naive since you don't know how simplistic and forward it actually is to read. It doesn't contain many metaphors or symbolism or things like that which is probably what you expect if you think it's like the bible, it's not like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc#t=1h0m45s "moderate" muslims tell you there are no absolute rulings in islam (trying to hide from you what the rulings are like when you find sharia law unpleasant for instance) wrong.. ofcourse there is.. Scholarly consensus) Adherent muslims know what they follow..
Reliance of the traveller b7.0-b7.2"When the four necessary integrals of consensus exist, the ruling agreed upon is an authoritative part of sacred law that is obligatory to obey and not lawful to disobey, Nor can mujtahids (expert islamic scholar) of a succeeding era make the thing an object of new ijtihad (different ruling), because the ruling on it, verified by scholarly consensus, is an absolute legal ruling which does not admit of being contravened or annulled."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAZUvQAzkc#t=1h02m33s Apostacy in islam (riddah) Whoever voluntarily leaves islam is killed.. "when a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. Book o8.0-o8.1 reliance of the traveller.
Among things that entail apostacy from islam... "To deny any verse of the qur'an or any-thing which by scholarly consensus (def: b7) belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it.... to deny the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of muslims is part of Islam"

Check out the full 5 hour brief aswell, it's quite good to start out with.

>>127864947
When you read the islamic texts It's very clear that muslims didn't expect to be in the situation where they are in now, as in one of military weakness.. Now they actually have to defend or explain away their doctrine as peaceful, it's clear from reading the doctrine that it's extremely militant and unrelenting, so they expected to conquer the entire world submit it to islam by installing sharia and that is that, allahs law now rules the entire earth and all mankind, they did not expect to have to sit in a position of weakness and have to explain to non muslims why it is they want to kill them or forcefully convert them if they would not do so willingly.

>>127866391
Never said that, that's your point that you then debated.
>>127865856
>Understand also though that massive amounts of the muslim world is illiterate so they rely on the imams and sheikhs to tell them
As part of being a muslim, you have to be able to recite the Quran and understand it. It's often attributed that the profit's "miracle" (as compared with the other Abrahamic miracles) was his for the time extreme elegance of poetry and debate. Islam has in general increased literacy when it's not been of an extremist persuasion. Look at the numbers on your keyboard. Without the Islamic Golden Age we wouldn't have the mathematics that govern how your PC works. Literacy is a core part of their faith, unlike Christianity. Judaism also have a strong connection with literacy in general again due to the wrote learning required to be considered a man in those cultures

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>>127863207
>couple of dozen Christians gets beheaded every now and again by extremist groups funded by _ E _ S?
>entire culture subverted into absolute degeneracy and self destruction (drugs+std+chems)
Whatcha doing Chaim??

>>127866756
to be fair, what religion did see the modern age coming? The lack of adaptation is not the religion but the organising force behind it. Organised religion is in general pretty shit and frequently subverts or ignores core tenants of faith. Look at the Vatican for example, Christ never spoke of taking up space in what would become Italy, and yet here they are....taking up space and covering up for priests...

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My homo friend posted this earlier today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMGri1fYef8


faggots waking up?

>>127857972
If Islam is the religion of peace why aren't Islamic extremists extremely peaceful?

>>127857972

without islam there wouldn't be islamic extremism

>>127867853
>Why aren't Christian Extremest extremely peaceful
>>127868016
>Without Christianity there wouldn't be christian extremism

That really gets the brain going amirightlads?

Are you shitting me? The second Surah starts warning against hypocrites who aren't really true Muslims almost immediately. Inner paranoia being fundamental in Islam, why wouldn't Muslims kill Muslims?
>/pol/ unBTFO

>>127857972

>Islamist extremists
>Nothing to do with Islam

How stupid are you?

>>127857972
>islamic extremists do not represent the majority of islam.

so why do nobel prize winners keep telling us that hating on muslims will make ISIS bigger?

>>127857972

Kanker een eind op

>>127866956
Ah so you ARE a muslim apologetic.. just be honest about it.
>Without the Islamic Golden Age we wouldn't have the mathematics that govern how your PC works. Literacy is a core part of their faith, unlike Christianity.
Ah is that why 40% of the muslim world is illiterate in their own language? This is utter nonsense and the illiteracy was even higher during the ottomans which is the more recent one.
>muslims invented algebra
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/08/how-muslims-did-not-invent-algebra/
No actually what islam did was cause a stifling of science and technology because they developed a notion that there were no laws of nature and there was no cause and effect there was only whatever allah decided it was. This destroyed scientific research and innovation so the only thing that came out of the islamic world after that was whatever they could get their hands on by conquest and have some dhimmis translate or construct/engineer for them. When the conquests started to wane the islamic empire started to gradually collapse. This stifling of science and innovation and technology has lasted nearly a 1000 years. and is part of the reason the muslim world is in the state that it is in.

>>127867171
>couple of dozen Christians gets beheaded every now and again by extremist groups
Are you nuts south africa? they've killed 1336 and injured 946 people in 25 different countries just in the month of april. May was a slower month only 358 killed and 485 injured, Ramadan bombathon started slow but it's currently up to 227 dead on this day 5 of ramadan.

>couple of dozens of christians
Watcha doing south africa, seems like you need to actually try to research what's going on in the world.

>>127857972
nobody cares you cuck. should have bombed them harder.

>>127868523
>algebra
Never said that. I said they invented the numbers that govern how your PC works. The actual numbers.
Where are you pulling the illiteracy numbers from, I've been googling and I can't find the numbers you have produced, I would like to know for future reference

>muslim apologist
No. I am not interested in debating the merits of Islam or its followers, I can't deny what has happened both positive and negative, but what I can say is that if you blow people up in the na,e of God, you cease to be a follower of any faith that believes in God. Near enough the only thing that religions share is in one way or another "don't be dicks to each other" and they all pretty much fail. Christians have done some fucked up shit to people in the past, the Jews have fucked up Palestine, Islam has been fucked up before the current iteration of extremism that dominated the culture these days, Shinto in Japan helped murder Christians during the "closure" of Japan under the Shogunate, even some Buddhists have fucked up muslims and others under the guise of religion.

TL:DR

Fundamentally if you kill others in the name of faith you undermine your faith. I am no apologist for anyone

>>127858134
the west has destroyed their countries for the last four decades. no wonder they're pissed. stop using (((their))) talking points

>>127866956
Also to add to this islam has a wonderful concept called jahiliyah, Islam calls all history that came before Mohammed, jahiliyah, ignorance which is offensive to Allah. It is to be annihilated. let bill warner explain it to you briefly in 3 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6xAseMITU&spfreload=10

They spent several days burning down a buddhist library and many other such instances, in this way islam destroyed in some cases up to 90% of the knowledge and history in the conquered areas they came across. and preserved only a few things in comparison to what they came across. MASSIVE amounts of knowledge and things were lost as they expanded their massive empire for that reason. What you seem to be quoting or parroting is islamic revisionistic history to make islam appear as if it was awesome and somehow through it all sorts of things were invented and preserved and we couldn't do without it. Nothing could be further from what actually happened, it was the opposite! They actively destroyed history, artifacts, buildings and knowledge in many many cases!
>>127867529
> Look at the Vatican for example, Christ never spoke of taking up space in what would become Italy, and yet here they are....taking up space and covering up for priests...
I don't think the biblical christ would be super duper happy about the vatican currently either, but compared to the islamic empires history they're a toddler in a sandbox breaking a plastic shovel now and again.

>>127864182
>according to the Quran you're supposed to have ceasefires with other Muslims and stuff
>"the people we blew up werent true muslims"

problem solved

>>127869521
>the west built infrastructure in desert countries
>oil money has created a billion dollar economy for tribal savages
yeah the West is just TERRIBLE

>>127869624
Again you seem to be talking about extremists here, and not the mainstream of Islam. The main denominations aren't too concerned about the parts of the faith that are short-sighted or xenophobic in the extreme. Also if you want to talk history, Christianity does have a longer history of fucking people way the fuck up, from the reconquista of Iberia, to the disasterous early crusades, or the time that they sacked the Byzantines. Christians have from the perspective you have painted muslims, more blood on their hands.

>>127869918
I never questioned their logic. I pointed out that ISIS is crazy for not following the rules of their faith.

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Whats the bombadan scorecard at right now?
That's the real question. Why OP has this many responses and we haven't focused on this incredibly important matter is the problem.

>>127870017
>Invading Afghanistan was peaceful and resulted in no loss of life or community or infrastructure
>Invading Iraq was peaceful and resulted in no loss of life or community or infrastructure

Yeah we totally haven't fucked up the middle east in the last 50 or so years. Totally. Desert Storm? More like 2 Scoops.

>celebrating your holy days by committing murder

Do any other religions do this?

>>127869438
>they invented the numbers

No they did not you moron

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>>127857972
>innocent muslims

>>127857972
>all islam is the same
wow you're right, sunnis killing shias and shias killing sunnis just means that the aggressor isn't real islam!

>>127870362
Islam isn't supposed to either. Isis changed the goal posts to mean that anyone that's not them, isn't a "real" muslim

>>127869438
>I can't find it by googling
Look i'm trying to make this extremely easy for you because i don't know how it's not possible for you NOT to find it, so let me give you a muslim news outlet that states it.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/04/case-gender-equality-muslim-world-170424095756513.html
>These challenges are particularly pronounced in the Muslim world, where approximately 65 percent of women are illiterate, compared to 40 percent of men.
Illiterate means not able to read and write. And the number was even higher during the caliphates, so i don't know where you at all get the information from that you think muslims are literate because they are muslims.. Many of them don't even know what their own texts say!

There's so many presumptions you have about islam and christianity that are completely wrong and it really sounds like it's anti western and anti christian propaganda and pro muslim propaganda that you've been reading just judging by what you've been telling me. But i hope you study these things more thoroughly in the future.

>Fundamentally if you kill others in the name of faith you undermine your faith.
Not in islam, if you kill someone in islam you confirm your faith. It's a war religion the only notion of peace in it is well what peace means in islam is when sharia law governs all nations and all people on the planet, then there becomes peace then allahs law rules the planet. There is a ceasefire called a hudna which is only to last for maximum of 10 years. And then they have to start fighting for the cause of allah again which is to install sharia law in a nation by migration/conversion and install sharia law or conquest and impose it. And kill people who refuse to become dhimmi or to convert to islam.

>>127870551
In the future, please use archive.is on blogs with a reputation for crap journalism and clickbait.

https://archive.is/wIxbY <- aljazeera.com article

>>127870442
>Moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

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>>127857972
this guy gets it.
in general, if you want the bigger picture, just think about the numbers.

only braindead /pol/shitters think that islamic terrorism is the same as islam.

>>127869438
>There were no actual numbers before Islam
Muslim "arguments"

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>>127857972
The problem with muslims is that they aren't a one huge monolithic group but rather a large collective of smaller groups that all see each other as "heretics". ISIS is literalist sunni islamic group that views all shia groups and less literalist sunni groups as heretics to the "true word of Allah" while Hezbollah sees ISIS as heretics to the their interpretation of the word of Allah and thus they have no problems in killing each other even during the holy month of Ramadan since killing heretics is part of Jihad for (their version of) Islam.

Also majority of all muslims including the moderate ones believe that killing non-believers and heretics is right. They just can't agree on what version of Islam is the true interpretation of the word of Allah so due to proximity to eachother they kill more muslims even though they are muslims themselves..

It's crazy and that's why west doesn't need any more practicing muslims. Islam is cancer in terminal form evident by the fact it kills muslims more than anyone else and that Islam hasn't had a peaceful border since its conception.

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>>127870339
>"Omg, a war happened in their country. That's why they are constantly raping children and blowing themselves up. Literally nobody else has ever had to deal with such circumstances!"

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>>127869438
all of this was before mudshit was a thing, slime

>>127870339
>2 countries out of the dozen or so muslim countries got hurt by the west
>Ignoring that the Iran-Iraq war was far more destructive
>Ignoring how much of their community and infrastructure was lost to terrorist attacks by Muslims
Gee it's as if they're violent people and will destroy their own infrastructure

>>127857972
Here are two truths few people admit both of:

1. The majority of muslims are not terrorists.

2. The majority of terrorists are muslims.

Number 2 is still true even if ISIS kills muslims.

>>127870530
Ok, I'll play

>Do extremists in any other religion celebrate their holy days by committing murder?

>>127870768

if you don't let muslims into your country there won't be any terror attacks

>>127857972
>innocent
>muslim
pick one

>>127870779
Are you using any other numbering systems? I mean you are using 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0

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>>127870768
>islamic terrorism is the same as islam.
on this we can agree

>>127858134

lol, you must have never met an actual muslim. I live in the most diverse city in America and my muslim friends most certainly don't condone ISIS. By your logic I could say all christians condone bombing abortion clinics.

You're stupid and should feel bad.

>>127870906
Context for your particular comments? I mean I'm more into Taoism than I am Islam. I'm not down with praying that often. I mean if I were God I'd be a bit self-conscious if my followers worshipped me that often...

>>127871088
Those are Arabic numerals yes, they are hardly the first numbers to be used by man. There were many "actual numbers" in existence before Arabs wandered out of the desert and stole everything they could from Rome and Persia in true Semitic fashion.

>>127857972
Your so ..... I can't even..... SAGE!!!!!!!

>>127871306
>I mean I'm more into Taoism than I am Islam
>hey girl i'm into this hipster religion you haven't heard of. will you fuck me yet?
into the trash you go

>>127870993

Terrorism =/ Invention of Islam. If you knew your history you wouldn't be posting inane bullshit to further your braindead agenda on /pol/

Americans are so incapable of considering the past or the future. With a young country comes fixation on the present to an absurd degree. Just because Islamists have a semi-monopoly on terrorism today doesn't mean that is how it has always been or always will be.

>>127870893
Not with the way the US and other forces have sat around, I mean we are a literal foreign invader. Think about WW2, Germany occupied many places but they were culturally similar, the West has and continues to have very little to do with the middle east (under the Taliban and Saddam) and keep in mind that we're less than a generation into this war. People need time to get over this.

I'm not agreeing with the logic, but you can see their point of view.

>>127870045
>Again you seem to be talking about extremists here, and not the mainstream of Islam. The main denominations aren't too concerned about the parts of the faith that are short-sighted or xenophobic in the extreme. Also if you want to talk history, Christianity does have a longer history of fucking people way the fuck up, from the reconquista of Iberia, to the disasterous early crusades, or the time that they sacked the Byzantines. Christians have from the perspective you have painted muslims, more blood on their hands.
No it's not radicals it's a staple part of islam that they practiced for 1400 years, unless you think they couldn't figure out what islam taught for 1400 years you dolt. The only reason they are peaceful now is because the west went in after the fall of the ottomans in 1922 and secularized the middle east with promoting people like kemal attatürk who distanced himself from islam etc.

>the early crusades
Do you even know what it was a response to? 500+ years of islamic aggression towards europe aswell as the sacking of jerusalem.

When islam started they walked right across north africa and then invaded and occupied spain for about 500 years and tried to invade france aswell but the ummayads was defeated at battle of tours, then the christian knights tried desperately to liberate spain, when they finally did they had the spanish inquisition and kicked all the muslims out.

>conquest of byzantine empire
What the fuck are you talking about, it was the muslims who conquered the byzantine emperor what is known as turkey today, went into haga sophia turned the crosses upside down mocking the christians and started slaughtering and raping them inside the church. Haga Sophia they converted into a mosque.

>xenophobia
HAHA, muslims consider non muslims infidels and the worst of all animals because it's in their texts.. Square that away.

>>127871646

oops, I thought you were American because your post was so retarded.

>>127857972

"...Islamist extremists....nothing to do with Islam."

>>127861075
Thanks danebro

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>>127857972
>you literally can't refute this.
Yes you can, thicko.

During Ramadan the gates of muslim hell are locked, which means you can sin freely, which in batshit muslim terms means you can free-kill other muslims.

Just for this week, mind, then it's back to killing non-muslims for a free pass into muslim heaven.

The version of Ramadan they sell us in the West is like confusing Christmas with santa claus.

>>127864182
WBC seems like such a non-issue now that we have Islamic religious extremists.

>>127870952
Iran/Iraq was 80-88. The modern invasion of Iraq was 2003. Under relatively stable governments. They had time to rebuild, the current administrations of Iraq and Afghanistan are about as stable as a unicycle at the moment.

>>127871646
>>127871734

>no terror attacks in western europe
>take in millions of muslims
>terrorist attack every other week
>nothing to do with islam

>>127870984
Not that I can find. I've been having a look for posterity's sake. If you can find any incidents I'd like to know

I don't give a shit about if people claim it "represents" them. It's a product of their culture, a direct product.

>>127871908
>They had time to rebuild
You seem to have no idea how disastrous the Iran-Iraq War was for Iraq in the long term.

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>>127864182
>WBC kills people instead of just attention whoring
nigger you are dumb as fuck

>>127871493
oh cool and ad homenim, could you follow up with a real argument please?

>>127857972
the were killed for being backsliding muslims

>>127872162
done: >>127872144
your move, cuck

>>127869624
Nicolai is that you?

>>127871954

What are you 12 years old and you can't remember European history? You should focus on your country's largest export which causes far more destruction in Western Europe than muslim immigrants...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#Deadliest_incidents

>>127864233

>A Brit that hates freedom

Kek, who'd have thunk it..

>>127870045
Ok now you are just bullshitting.. i thought you were actually serious about it. No wonder you couldn't "find" the al jazeera article mr. "i'm not a muslim".

Then after the muslims sacked byzantine empire they started hammering eastern europe and enslaving the europeans. The ottomans were so notorious and brutal that they are still remembered in many areas of europe with an extremely negative connotation. They continued the onslaught against europe as invader, the last time the ottomans tried was in 1683 the battle of vienna. That's how far they got into eastern europe, with western europe being walled off by spain that didn't want to try that ride again after what they had been through under muslim occupation.

Then they ofcourse enslaved all of africa for 1400 years. and i'm not even starting to talk about what they did to the hindus who practiced sati (ritual suicide) to not end up in the harems. The persian zoroastrians who they also decimated and several others.

>muh crusades it was just so terrible
The crusades were response to this constant islamic aggression it took the christians several hundreds of years of being attempted to be invaded and raided before they finally banded together and retaliated.. you unbelievable dumbass. You really need to learn some actual history.

>>127870339
>Yeah we totally haven't fucked up the middle east in the last 50 or so years. Totally. Desert Storm? More like 2 Scoops.
>2 scoops
Well hey there plebbit. How about muslims invading everyone they could come across for 1400 years. the ottoman caliphate only ended in 1922, then the west went in and introduced secularism to stop the caliphate from reemerging and installed secular leaders to keep the jihadis at bay.

The dumb thing was to remove saddam, and to allow the persian shah to be overtaken by an islamic revolution, to remove ghadaffi, i agree with that, the reason muslim nations were somewhat peaceful in the last century was because of the west!

>>127871720
No, I was talking about the time Christian crusaders sacked the city of Constantinople.
>Crusades
Okay, so the first crusade wasn't about the original conquest of the Holy land by the Caliphate. It was about the Slejuk Turks who had attacked some people in the Holy Land and were threatening to encroach on Byzantine lands. Go read up on the disastrous first crusade and how little that actually achieved
>All muslims think one way
So when /pol/ talks about a religion/race/etc they are all one person who thinks one way, but when people talk about /pol/ we're individuals? Little bit of the old cognitive dissonance there mate. See my earlier post on the issues with organised religion

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>>127872425

>>127871859
They do. Still extremists though

>>127857972
Islamic extremists are so Islamic that they will kill other Muslims for not being radical enough.

>>127872679

>WBC is totally like ISIS guise

Ahmed pls. Go build clocks or fuck little boys or something, you complete fucking imbecile.

>>127872105
More so than the time between the invasion in '03 and now? I mean we have really big guns that Iran did not have.

>>127858134

>i live in a gated community with my mommy but enjoy roleplaying on /pol/

stay in school kiddo.

>>127863792
Funny is that jihad translates to struggle. "Liberation struggle" has been a Marxist term to describe leftist revolution, conspiracy and terrorism since the 1800s.

A lot of Afghan mujahideen were financed by Soviets to fight each other. This one guy, Gulbuddin, whom received most the American aid, spent most of his resources fighting other mujahideen. He was referred to as a kgb agent by a Soviet defector to the West.

>>127872679
>Extremism is inherently bad
How can you say the peaceful extremists are equally as bad as violent extremists?

>>127872144
I never said they did. I said they were extremists. There is a difference. Also they have called for the destruction of the US at the hands of God, that's also very similar to what many Islamic extremists organisations have called for......

Just like how the innocent cops are enablers for the bad cops right? Liberals are niggers when it comes to logic & reasoning, that is why you have to beat them senseless to get a point across.

Muslims have been killing muslims since their sand scientology religion was invented

>>127872268
See
>>127873033
Also how am I a cuck, I would like to know because I'm not into that in my sex life. Are you projecting rn?

>>127872863
Iraq's current shitty situation is a direct consequence of Sadam's reckless warmongering.

>>127857972
Get the fuck out you sandnigger. Go back to Goatfuckistan.

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>>127868178

>christian extremism

Such as?

>>127857972
Slide! Slide!
Jump! Jump!
...saged

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>>127873319
more pics of him

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>>127873530
here he is with his suicide vest on

>>127872555
>Crusades
Yeah okay your dates don't line up at all with recorded history, so I'm just going to ignore anything you say about it until something does match up.
>Islamic aggression
have you read the letters between Saladin and Richard "Lionheart"? Or any part of the Crusader history at all?
>Plebbit
So your point is you agree with me? You don't contest any point in that last statement. Cool, good to see something fruitful has come from this

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>>127873603
here he is with his buddies

>>127864837
Islam is a stone-age cult.

>>127857972
Because mudshits haven't been killing eachother for centuries of the most miniscule of issues, right? Not like shia and sunni cunts are mortal enemies.

>>127858134
>It has everything to do with Islam. The "innocent" are the ones that enable the radical.

Yup, this is pretty much what Osama said in his letter to the US. He answered the question of why he targets innocent civilians and his rationale was that they are the ones that enable the heinous crimes the government is committing (through tax dollars and through voting for them etc...)

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>>127857972
>the pope's goons start bombing luther's followers
>no true christian
ok desu

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>>127873648
Not sure what you two were talking about but alone the
>muh crusades
argument is pretty shitty. Look at how many conquests Islam did.
---> Africa, Europe (balkans, spain, france), India and so on.

>>127857972
Because muslims kill slightly different muslims, muslims are not vicious killers?

Seems like real Islam to me. ISIS thinks anyone who doesn't follow the Quran like they do aren't real Muslims (hypocrites in the Quran) and should be killed, just like the Quran says.

It's easy to refute. Besides the few remaining barbarian cultures that still exist, there is literally no other cultural group that does this kind of shit on a regular, predictable basis like Muslims.

>>127873014
Extremism is usually unhealthy, even if only for the extremists. It encourages you to dispose of logic in favor of your extreme views.
Peacefulness is not always the most logical or best outcome (see Feminism bowling over "peaceful" white men).
Situations need logical action, not always cleavage to an ideology.

>>127863729
Thank you. Trying not to be an ignorant burger.

>>127873893
>Yup, this is pretty much what Osama said in his letter to the US. He answered the question of why he targets innocent civilians and his rationale was that they are the ones that enable the heinous crimes the government is committing (through tax dollars and through voting for them etc...)


Except for the part where none of the civilians support the """heinous""" """crimes""" of the government.
Whereas the vast majority of mudshits worldwide is in favour of radical islamic beliefs.

>>127857972
It's literal islam, they follow the rule book to the letter.

>>127872624
>All muslims think one way
Pretending as if their ideology doesn't tell them to think one way. /pol/ is not an ideology with a set of laws, it barely has any and people even give a shit about the posting rules aswell, it's an image board man are you dense. That you can even try to desperately compare that to run cover for islamic terrorists proves your idiocy.

You already fucked up by claiming christians murdered more people than the islamic empire, whilst clearly not knowing a damn thing about the history of the caliphates i don't even know what to tell you.
>>127872366
No sorry.

>>127857972
Can you explain it to me, why is it that your holiest month keep changing date? It's as if it was trying tto match with terrorist attack in the west and that's fucking strange.

>>127872824
>>127873014
Because extremism has no ability to adapt. Peaceful or not, the inability to adapt with the times and integrate with society at large is inherently dangerous. Personal liberties aside, if you do not act in accordance with society and it's laws, you cannot expect to live in it. Extremism of a religious persuasion gets to stay in its quagmirous state under the excuse of "God told me so". In my eyes WBC are not as bad as Isis, but they cannot be considered "good" by any stretch of the definition

>>127872917
Is that why they pushed the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the 80's? I mean from all the literature I've read it was more of a proxy war with the US who were funding the Mujahideen. Then again what would I know..

>>127857972
The more islamic a society is (Afghanistan, Pakistan), the more you have creatures who are going to blow you up because you're not muslim enough, considered as kafirs

>>127874145

Except it's not extremist islam, it's fundamentalist islam.

They aren't the only problem, but the jewish overlords are doing a pretty good job convincing people they are.

>>127873209
I mean, he did warn Kuwait to stop stealing his oil from his oil fields in '90, and only invaded after they ignored him, dude was nuts but it was actually his oil fields. If you were talking about something he had done more recently then can you show me some evidence?

>>127857972
Even tho I have no 4chan pass, I now favor that only those with legit membership by giving to 4chan their money should be allowed to create threads. /pol/ has become known and more or less mainstream, the shills and msm are actually posting here now. sigh, pls 4chan make it so no one can post during work hours of at least the USA timezones unless they have pass. even if this means i wont be able to make threads, /pol/ needs to keep these bastards out.

>>127873401
Westbro Baptist Church, Brevik, there are quite a few people who are white and do fucked up things too.

>>127857972

because the more islamic a country is, the more violent it becomes

>>127874200
Well obviously, but you try explaining that to him.

>MUH MODERATES

Shia and sunni muslims will be killing each other until that religion erases itself from existence.

>>127872636

You are proving my point. Much larger attacks have been committed in the past by non Muslims and will be committed in the future. You've just sorted by most recent. If you sort by largest number of casualties you will see that Islamic terrorism is not the boogieman the right want you to perceive it as.

>>127857972
If only we knew where they were filling their empty heads with these ideas.
Oh wait, it just turns out the majority of islamic people are just too weak willed to adhere to all islamic teachings.
Lucky for us I guess.

https://youtu.be/WdDCpz_8zMo

>>127873990
shh, go back to mummy Merkel, we're talking here. If you don't bother reading up, then shut the fuck up

>>127871224
You never met an actual Muslim either. Take a trip to any Muslim country and be enlightened.

>>127874903
so i was right amerifat btfo
kys

>>127874255
>Can you explain it to me, why is it that your holiest month keep changing date? It's as if it was trying tto match with terrorist attack in the west and that's fucking strange.

I can, islam is based on a lunar calendar, it's a strict lunar calendar that has 354 days each year, as you can imagine ramadan therefore happens at different dates each year. Therefore if a nation adopts sharia its calendar also changes. They have an islamic calendar that is independent from us including also in years, i think it starts from when muhammad was in medina and then they count that as year 0 i think from 622 and then forward where muhammad migrated from mecca to yitrab, and they call each year a hijrih/hijrah and each hijrih is 354 days so we're in hijrih 1438-39 currently.

>>127874670
>westboro
>extremist

When was the last time they stoned people or blew shit up?

>Brevik

That's one. Is the best you can do?

>>127857972
They base everything around their religion and not on law-their law is their religion. In Islam, they teach that anyone who doesn't follow Islam is unholy and must be purged.

The peaceful practitioners enable radicals by not stopping them.

>hurr durr Christianity isn't perfect either
>hurr durr mah religion

Its the religion and you know it. Radicalism in Islam is rooted in their religion. Their law is based on their religion. Their actions are derived from their religion.

Get over yourself you piece of shit and learn to live in a first world like the rest of us you goat fucking sand skinned cunt.

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>>127857972
Shut up N*gger. How's the Dutch gibs Cenk?

The Quran and Hadiths literally sanction ISIS explicitly! I'm not going into it tho as you're a filthy Turk Roach/Rape baby.

>>127857972
Jihad trumps all in Islam. If you can rationalize a reason for attack ("They're really attacking us!), religious observances take a back seat.

This guy's another taqiyya asshole.

>>127857972
WRONG!
https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

>>127870045
Do you think the Charlie Hebdo gunmen were extremists?

>>127874527
Well yeah, I was explaining extremism in general. Islam is made to conquer everything, the whole thing is a slippery slope towards radicalization.

>>127857972
>People still think ISIS represents Islam

No, I just think Muslims are a bunch of niggers with no place in the 1st world

>>127874527
Exactly my N*gger.

>innocent muslims
No such thing. Constantinople is OURS.

>>127874351
>In my eyes WBC are not as bad as Isis, but they cannot be considered "good" by any stretch of the definition

You're an imbecile, and you do not understand what freedom under rule of law means. As a matter of fact, you probably hate freedom.

Shia=keep the west out
Sunni=invade the west
Wahabi=kill the west

Guess which one we fund the most?

>>127866391
I always though the"open to interpretation" argument was pretty weak as well. The Qur'an is a far more straight forward read than the Bible. I think they make that argument as a doorway to rationalize the evil shit Muhammad was calling for. And if they don't, than "Yes all Muslims" starts making a lot more sense, and they would be forced to do something about it. Far easier to stick one's head in the sand and repeat "ISIS doesn't represent Islam".

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>>127857972
>1 post by this ID
Dammit I fell for it

Sage this shit

>>127874985

I lived in Paris for 5 years and live in Houston, TX... so yea, I've met a couple of muslims in my day, Johann.

>>127871134
half the image is irrelevant, since sharia law is not terrorism. it's just their ass backwards law and culture regarding punishments.

the other part can be attributed to anti west sentiments rather than islam. either way in almost all the cases the majority is still against terrorism.
so again, what are you basing it on that this is related to islam as a whole rather than say, US interventionism?

>>127874882

>let the muslims in they haven't beaten your kill count yet

>>127857972
What if I just don't like Muslims? I don't have to hide behind muh extremist meme. Be a fucking man and say you don't like them if you don't. You're not some stupid fucking liberal who has to Tippey toe around what you really mean. I don't like Muslims and I assume many of them don't like Christians.

>>127857972
>this has nothing to do with Islam.
Retard detected. Maybe they don't represent all Muslims, but they are undoubtedly connected to Islam.

>>127857972
Look at a timeline of Islamic history.
There's only one thing Muslims did more than killing infidels, and that is killing other Muslims.
Civil war may be the biggest fucking sin according to Islam, but Muslims sure love to do it.

>>127875806

>Implying muslim immigrants want to go to Romania...

I'm just trying to show that /pol/ has it's priorities out of order. Black kill more Americans than muslims terrorists ever will, yet people don't talk about banning black immigration or burning down black churches to the extent that is their fixation on muslims. By percentage of total population, blacks are much worse and much more violent than muslims on the whole.

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>>127875806
typical /pol/ goalpost moving

>>127874670
>Westbro Baptist Church

This comparison really makes me think everytime.

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>>127874882
>tfw of the ten most deadly terror attacks in recent history, eight of them have been Islamic

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>>127857972
Only extremist Muslims are a scourge. Pic related

>>127875843
so you want to be like those muslims that don't like (and obsess over) christians instead of the reasonable majority that doesn't give a shit either way?

>>127876113

I'm glad they don't want to come here. Our news aren't plastered with people getting blown up at concerts and 7 year olds getting raped in public parks by pakis and niggers.

>>127876434

Once again everyone fails to see my point. Anon implied terrorism is an islamic invention. I said no, look beyond 15 years in the past, don't be stuck in the present. Now everyone is chimping out.

>>127874985
Top b8

>>127876707

I'd prefer the occasional 10ish people getting blown up than have to deal with gypsies mobbing you yelling "speak eengleesh?" every goddamned day TBQH famalam

>>127877107

until your kid gets blown up

>>127877213

I'm French, gypsies cause WAY more problems in my country than muslim terrorists.

imagine if Mohammedanism actually had moral ground to stand on and wasn't just a primitive arabic camel killing cult hell bent on world domination and acquisition of booty?

>>127877463

what? they gonna steal your wallet? I don't defend them. We need to put them in ovens.

but one thing they won't do is spray you down with an AK while you drink your coffee or plow through a crowd with a semi truck

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>>127872636
>>127874882
>You are proving my point. Much larger attacks have been committed in the past by non Muslims and will be committed in the future. You've just sorted by most recent. If you sort by largest number of casualties you will see that Islamic terrorism is not the boogieman the right want you to perceive it as.

It very much is!
go to thereligionofpeace.com it covers verified islamic terrorist attacks from all over the world, many of which you never see in western media.

Just in the month of april muslim terrorist have killed over 2 times the combined casualties of the terrorist attacks in list you are commenting on, if you exclude injured. It happens less in the west because they are not that many muslims in the west obviously. But it happens A LOT in other places.

So no you are completely wrong it's YOU that don't know how big of a problem islamic terrorism is. It's massive. And it's happening in MANY different countries were muslims are present.

>>127857972
>be muslim
>be brainwashed by twisted "religion"
>go to holy war with anyone who is not on your side
>"see, they killed other muslims, that means they don't represent islam"

That's like saying drug addicts don't represent drug addicts because they kill other drug addicts

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>>127879939
>go to holy war with anyone who is not on your side
tell me, how many % of all muslims are terrorist again?

>>127880445
All of them.

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>>127874670
>christian extremism
>name a few examples
>Westbro Baptist Church, Brevik, there are quite a few people who are white and do fucked up things too.

I can't believe i even replied to this fucking moron so many times. what's that.. 2 so far and then "whites do fucked up things too". so clearly it's an anti white bashing round you're engaged in here.

Ok let's count you've got 2.. so far.. feel free to produce some more let's say you can produce 15 or something. over some decades.

Wanna hear how many terrorist attacks muslims have committed since 2001?
30.920

Ofcourse each with many casualties and injured.

Even if you produce all these westbro baptist church, breivik, even if you drag the IRA into it and go that far back which you kind of HAVE to to get even a remotely high bodycount eventhough what about 750 people died during that https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/jun/10/deaths-in-northern-ireland-conflict-data#data, and count up all the casualties you can find and all the examples you can find and then get frustrated that you can't find that many, then you include all the school shootings and count that as christian extremists aswell somehow, muslims still have them all beat easily. 100x over. even if you just take a few years.

You have no fucking clue how many people they have killed have you?

Westboro baptist church idk if i should laugh or cry at your sheer stupidity.

>>127880641
Please remember to archive blogs renowned for crap journalism and clickbait.
https://archive.is/PK3rR <- theguardian.com article

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>>127880519
>can't even be bothered to think about it.
typical.

make a guess

>>127857972
Christians have never killed other christians before!!!!

These people are fucking delusional.

What about the muslims sandnigs in france who are destroying public property ?

>>127857972
ISIS *are* Islam.

>>127880445

you can't know who is one

that's the problem

>>127857972
ISIS is the far right of Islam deal with it.

>>127880713
there are various estimates on their manpower (of each organization).
now how many is that compared to all muslims?

we can even only count africa if you want to. make a guess.

>>127857972
Orcs kill each other over stupid shit every day. Doesn't make orcs any less terrible & dangerous

>>127873401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0

They're all shit.

What other race besides white people is expected to deal with these adult-children?

>>127857972
ISIS would disagree with that proposition.

Sunnis kill Shi'ites all the time

Do Sunnis not represent Islam?

>>127881060

what I mean is that of the millions that came to Europe literally any one of them can be a terrorist, there are countless pics with ISIS fighters who are now in Europe and that's just the ones that came with the migrant wave.

Look at the Manchester bomber. He was born and raised in the UK. Their manpower is 1.6 billion

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>>127857972
>people were killed during the most important time of Tet and people still claim the Vietcong represents the Vietnamese

who is retweeting this?

does this tweet get linked to hundreds of liberal groups or what?

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>>127857972
>our holiest month

>>127857972
The army of a nation is only made up of a fraction of it's people.

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>>127881476
>Their manpower is 1.6 billion
i give up.

>>127881898

the ones that aren't doing the killing are supporting them, at least the majority is. Look at the support the Charlie Hebdo attackers had from within the muslim community.

It's a giant good cop bad cop routine they are pulling. Because in the end, terrorist or not, the average muslim still wants islam to rule.

>>127882235
>the ones that aren't doing the killing are supporting them, at least the majority is. Look at the support the Charlie Hebdo attackers had from within the muslim community.
how much. in percent.

>>127857972
The I in ISIS stands for Islamic. They read the same Koran and pray to the same Allah 5 times per day. Try telling them they aren't real Muslims and don't represent Islam and see how they respond to that.

>>127882645
how big is isis and how big is the muslim world?

>>127858134
https://muslimscondemn.com/

>ultra-orthodox christians beat kids to death attempting to 'exorcise' them
>don't judge all christians by those people

>>127880445
The real question is how many are radicalized, and it's like 40% or hundreds of millions.

Yea. Commies didn't represent a majority either, nor did the nazis.
The Norks probably not either.
Nor white slave owners.
A minority demographic can and will fuck shit up if it gains power.

On the other side of the fence, more than a majority of muzzies condone many of ISIS' actions

>>127861075
>>127860352
Insightful post.

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>>127870597

>The decimal Hindu–Arabic numeral system was developed in India

>>127882776
I don't know exactly. Numerically, ISIS makes up a very small proportion of Muslims, however the fact that they've taken over significant portions of Muslim countries (yes their influence is dwindling as opposition forces combat them, but the portions are significant) offsets that. At least in my opinion.

>>127876113
They have to go back is not a /pol/ meme.

>>127857972
Read the fucking Koran and what pedomohamed says. Then stop being a fucking morron and understand the koran is god s words and cannot be interpreted or changed.

There you go, enjoy the pedo cult

>>127883347
now what do you mean by radicalized? and what are you basing this number on?

>>127863792
>intentionally leaving out the surahs and Hadith from your "argument"

Fuck off taqqiya scum.

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>>127880686
The biggest problem with the redditors that try to say that christian terrorists kill more people than muslim terrorists is that they simply fail at math or don't want to know or simply don't know.

30.920 terrorist ATTACKS since 9/11 most of them happening outside the west that's not the number of casualties that's the number of ATTACKS, here's a month worth of it pic related.
A MONTH.. over 1300 casualties.

And that's just from 2001 and mind you they don't have an empire now, which is where it really kicks into nightmare mode, right now they are practicing the 2nd and 3rd form of jihad, which is jihad by brigands (terrorist groups) and jihad by compulsion (lone wolf). So if you think that is bad.. jihad by caliph is even worse, that's when it kicks into high gear and becomes a monster. 90.000 hindus slaughtered in a DAY for refusing to convert to islam. It's estimated that the 1400 years of islam jihad killed about 400+ million and that's even a low estimate. They attacked the christian west, plowed through north africa, attacked the hindus in the east and others. The zoroastrians in persia, you name it.. They even tried to more recently attack the US (the barbary pirate wars). Relentless non stop essentially.

All the way up as late as 1683 they launched direct assaults on europe and they initiated the attacks and provoked the crusades by invading western europe and occupying spain and trying to invade france aswell almost immediately after muhammad died. walked across north africa as if it weren't even there. "convert or die, we're off to invade the christians". This brutal caliphate that ran in succession (and muslims are not allowed to disobey a caliphs orders unless he violates sharia law). for 1400 years from the time of muhammad till 1922 when the ottoman caliphate was dismantled, which they rounded it off just before completely falling apart by exterminating 1.5 million armenian christians in 1915, which included CRUCIFYING the women.

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>>127857972
Warfare mostly doesn't care about your stupid goatdick religion. This is a tactical Action, the fighters of IS do that to kill and by that discourage and reduce the Population they want to conquer,if some muzzie bastard is blowing himself up in a Country in which no fighting is happening,then I would consider this terrorism, otherwise there is no small difference between a bomb on a suicidal terrorist or a shell fired by the artillery of any army in the middle east, both are explosives who kill people. Next time something like this happens, I hope you and the guy who wrote that die, because you heart "killed itself". Nobody thinks IS represents Islam, they just are salafistic muslims doing jihad for their God Allah and leader Abu-Bakr Al-Baghdadi. Al-Baghdai just claims to represent Islam as he declared himself Caliph and many Muslims accept or don't care about that fact. He rules Islamic territory, is Muslim and rules by Sharia law, it's ridicoulisly legit. And they also think that all non-Sunni Muslims and non-Muslims and every Sunni who doesn't obey them is an infidel, and by thus they follow the rule "Whereever you see an infidel, cut off his head", also they probably think the same way Al-Quaida does,if good Muslims are killed, they get to heaven anyway. And if they are Muslims (Which they are, because they believe in Allah,the Quran,the Haddits,Mohammed and their Caliph. Not living with a Caliph and not doing Jihad is a sin, awkwardly enough Abu-Bakr and Al-Quaida are the only one's with Caliphs and because IS did that earlier they are legit), who kill other Muslims, this has everything to do with Islam. They fucking call themselves "Islamic State" and have troops and territories all over the world. And you may ask why I reply, don't you? Well, you seem to be a cucked, philanthrop leftist, what you think is far from reality and has to be exterminated, as you help creating a generation of stupid, naive leftist Teenagers who can be treated at will.

>>127882416
>how much. in percent.

Salam Aleikum brother, I have answers for you.

Hurriyet Daily News / Metropoll (2015): 20% of Turks support the slaughter of Charlie Hebdo staffers and cartoonists.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/metropoll-42-turkish-public-believe-muslims-are-real-victims-charlie-hebdo-attack-1486355

BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196

National Centre for Scientific Research (2017): 32% of young Muslims in France adhere to 'fundamentalist views.' 33% believe violence for 'ideological' goals is acceptable. 24% of young Muslims do not condemn the Charlie Hebdo massacre, and 21% do not condemn the Bataclan massacre.
http://www.westmonster.com/french-establishment-delay-bombshell-extremism-report-until-after-election/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/21/study-third-muslim-france-fundamentalist/
https://lejournal.cnrs.fr/nos-blogs/face-au-terrorisme-la-recherche-en-action/une-vaste-enquete-sur-la-radicalite-chez-les/

>>127870127
>for not following the rules of their faith.
they are though. guessing you are muslim and never read your koran? maybe open it up sometime retard

>>127864182
because ive never heard of a christian committing suicide on christmas

just because its a holy time, does not change human behavior. muslims will be muslims. its in their nature to explode

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I remove Kebab on a holy muslim day, I'm most definetly representing Serbia.

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>>127871845
I've read in a book about Orientalism that fighting is not allowed during Ramadan

And please stop posting christ-chan it's cringy

>>127885034
I've read all your posts, danish anon. What do you think about the future of Islam? Will they be able to conquer europe? How will it all end? I'm really interested in your opinion on this.

>Muslims killed by other Muslims for not being Muslim enough
>nothing to do with Islam

Sometimes I do think we live in a simulation

>>127864837
Why is this a problem again?

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>>127857972
The problem is that Muslims are extremely prone to deciding that their own interpretation of Islam is the only true one and all others are heretical. This combined with the fact that the scripture demands death to apostates and heretics means that there will always be extremists who target the moderates for trying to integrate thus exacerbating the risk of terrorism.

The more you import and try to integrate, the more likely that a pocket of extremist terrorists will develop within the minority Muslim population. This is why they become more barbaric the more their population percentage rises in Western countries.

>>127886281
The ones killed belonged to a sect that fundamentalist sunnis consider apostates

>>127857972
Sextarion violence is characteristic of contemporary islam

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>>127857972
Have you ever read this, I think it fits your Ideology.

>>127885534
where's your majority?
do you have the numbers for other incidents?

>>127885034
(cont)
This absolutely brutal history of islam the redditors don't know.. they have a blank space in history of what islam and muslims were doing up till i guess.. 1970's80's? Ask them.. they don't have the faintest clue. And muslims are ofcourse extremely happy about this situation.

But even then, they still without a massmurdering empire, still continue their routine murder of non muslims or of muslims that are not adherent. or of people who leave the faith. But this time in smaller scale (brigands and lone wolf), it's excused as if they are victims. Forgetting the standard practice for 1400 years..

So it's like an eternity discussion with these people, they a) don't know how big the islamic terrorism problem is even after the west secularized to stop the caliphate from reforming after 1400 years of bloodshed b) don't know that history, and keep claiming therefore that muslims never hurt a fly for 1400 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&spfreload=10#t=11m37s timestamped.

So they don't understand, what's there to fear about muslims? they're just like innocent folks that never did nothing and then the west just invaded them by invading iraq and this is now why they do this. No.. that's NOT why they do it.. Because they did this same fucking thing for 1400 years just in an empire form. With a brief break of 90 years or so, but not even that, muslim brotherhood was founded shortly after 1922 to restore the caliphate and also fought for hitler in hanshar ss scimitar division, then there were various small scale events leading up to 70's80's90's and then it ofcourse really took off again in 2000's. So if you are looking for an area of time where islam and muslims have been moderately "peaceful" but still having shit going on but on very low steam, you're looking at say 30-40 years out of 1400 years.. and that's with western secularization of it.

Maybe, just maybe, non-muslims hold muslim holidays in a holier regard than actual muslims. Not out of respect for the muslims, but from respect of what a holy day even is.

Kinda like how in the west people will go to the movie theater on Christmas. Its incorrigible to me, but people do it. To muslims maybe ramadan is just like a week in spring, nothing overtly special, we are just told its insanely special.

Or ISIS is the most extreme of Muslims and did it knowing only the weak of faith would be killed as the strong of faith wouldn't be there.

>>127858888
>to defend islam
I bet if you asked christians if suicide bombing to keep their religion from being annihilated, you would get AT LEAST as affirmative of responses

>>127874670
Brevik was not a christian. Check out his own words.

“As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.”

“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person, as that would be a lie,” “I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think: ‘Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.’ Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people, and many embrace religion for self-serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state [for] example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet.”

>>127887010
>I bet if you asked christians if suicide bombing to keep their religion from being annihilated, you would get AT LEAST as affirmative of responses

You're being misleading, both scenarios are bad, maybe 100% of christians support suicide bombings, that doesn't translate to reality.

>>127871224
That is because they aren't real Muslims. Your personal affection isn't criteria for what makes a good Muslim. Only Mohammed is an authority on what makes a good Muslim. Your friends are good people, not good Muslims.

>>127887270
>both scenarios are bad
They are, but theres a big difference between asking if they support killing nonbelievers indiscriminately vs if they do if it will protect their religion
The wording of surveys has a drastic effect on how people respond

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>>127871224
There is nothing wrong with bombing abortion clinics

>>127887688
Policy Exchange (2016): 48% of British Muslims would not report a person "linked to terror."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/

>>127887688

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

>>127886011
We'll I just did some research and saw nothing on that I looked it up in Wikipedia and they didn't say anything about that fighting is forbidden in Ramadan. Anyways the Quran says wherever you see an infidel, behead him.
>And please stop posting Chris-chan it's cringy
Well your pic's not better, my dear cuck.
Go and have fun Meeting the leftists.

>>127857972


Germans were killed during the 3d Reich,
and people still think, Nazis represent bad people

>>127888127
>fighting is forbidden in Ramadan.

Lying is prohibited at Ramadan time, however, that only extends to other muslims. Lying to kafirs during Ramadan is okay.

>>127886119
>I've read all your posts, danish anon. What do you think about the future of Islam? Will they be able to conquer europe? How will it all end? I'm really interested in your opinion on this.
We need to stop or greatly diminish muslim immigration. They are instructed to have up to 4 wives in mosque weddings to increase their birthrates it's part of the hijrah part of fighting for allah, which is what is used when the enemy is too powerful to attack directly militarily and then essentially gradually try to institute sharia law which is a law for muslims AND non muslims, it's not just for them.

Aside from the obvious history of the brutality of the islamic empires constant attempts of invasion and kill/convert or dhimmi, we have a recent example that should serve as a massive warning and a wakeupcall to europe.

Lebanon.
It was christian multicultural and it let in many muslims, they eventually turned around and declared war against the christian who had at that time gone from being a majority to becoming a minority. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gc-z52ysRk&spfreload=10 here's one of the survivors of it. Especially notice that they laughed at the leftists in lebanon who had helped them get their "religious rights". And told them you are no different from the other christians, you are infidels.

>How will it all end?
If we don't get our head out of our ass and get very strict immigration laws very quickly there will be a civil war at one point in europe in the future started by the muslims just like in lebanon. After that that depends on how that ends. Because unlike lebanon europe is a place they have tried to invade for 1400 years! and one of the very first things they did after walking across north africa! So if you think they are going to be more lenient here than they were to the lebanese christians, i don't think so!

i still think we have time but not that much. But it is not avoided by giving muslims whatever they want. But the opposite.

>>127887935
>>127887987
>cherrypicking stats
From your first article
>It found that more Muslims condemned terrorism than the rest of the population – 90 per cent to 84 per cent- and 55 per cent wanted to see extra police on the streets.
Which also makes me wonder how that 48% compares to brits in general

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The religion of peace recently visited Paris,Brussels,Berlin,St-Petersburg,London,Orlando,Augsburg,Lyon and everything east of Greece and West of China. Coming to your town soon.

>>127884185
Probably calling for the calling of harm to someone over religious belief would be pretty radical by a liberal society's standards.
>584 Muslims believe you should be killed for leaving islam
>pew research
Pew Chart here:
>>127871134
>>127864837
>>127863772
>>127858753
Oh.. well. Not looking good for what you're implying

>>127888531
>We need to stop or greatly diminish muslim immigration.

Yes, but the bigger problem, is the mosques already in the countries. These Imams preach Jihad and killing and lying to kaffirs. All religious institutions should be forced by law to disclose ALL sources of finance, and if they refuse, be shut down. Not only that, foreign money should be banned from being funneled into mosques. There is no reason Saudi Arabia should be able to fund mosques in germany.

>>127857972
Nobody said its the majority of muslims. Its just not some fringe 0.1 percent that Obama and people like him tried to push. 25 percent is not the fucking majority, but its also alot larger than 0.1 percent. There really isnt any more to this issue. Why are people still debating about this?

>>127887935
>Policy Exchange (2016): 48% of British Muslims would not report a person "linked to terror."
I give you islamic jurisprudence that explains why. Sunni muslim law by muslims for muslims. Gold standard of islamic sunni jurisprudence with al azhar university approval. Book is called reliance of the traveller. A sharia/islamic jurisprudence index.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0#t=50m54 section r8.0 lying r8.2 permissible lying. ”speaking is a means to achieving an objective”.
When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is PERMISSIBLE to lie if attaining the goal is permissible.. AND OBLIGATORY TO LIE IF THE GOAL IS OBLIGATORY.. when for example one is concealing a muslim from an oppressor who asks where he is, it is obligatory to lie about being hidden”. This includes ”showing the way to policemen and tyrants when they are going to commit injustice and corruption” injustice and corruption according to what.. according to sharia law which would be.. arresting or doing harm to muslims.. Let that sink in..

>>127886119
It needs to be clear that there are 57 majority muslim nations where sharia law can be practiced, they need to be made clear that if they want sharia law that is where they can practice it.

>>127889206
Because unlike christians interpreting the bible, the queran is only interpreted one way and of course thats how jihadists interperet it

>>127888749

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

>>127889418
>61% of Muslim-Americans disagree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (29% agree).
Thats better

>>127857972
FUCK YOU MUSLIMS
ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS
KILL ALL MUSLIMS
BURN ALL QURANS
DESTROY ALL MOSQUES
ERADICATE ISLAM ONCE & FOR ALL!!!!!!!

>>127889082
>There is no reason Saudi Arabia should be able to fund mosques in germany.
Try building a christian church in saudi arabia. Exactly those mosques needs to be closed, and if they object and protest to it, you close even more, if they protest you deport them immediately. Doing the opposite only ensures a civil war in the future. If they protest now, it's going to get much more violent in the future like it did in other places.

>>127857972
There is no such thing as an innocent muslim. You need to be human with Free Will to be innocent or guilty. And muslims aren't human therefore they can't be innocent or guilty, they just need slaughtering like the buffalo.

>>127889678
>Thats better

29% agree, that is 29% too much