These guys have been predicting imminent economic collapse almost

>>127829961
they might be right in one day in the future and /pol/ will praise them like Gods after that.

>>127829961
Because they use Austrian economics. Hyperinflation is here!!! OH, just wait a little longer.

btw I agree that the current model is fucked up

>>127829961
That's because the recession never really ended despite the booming stock market.

I don't think the market has really functioned correctly since they started with all the QE , etc. ZH did call negative interest rates repeatedly before they started being introduced in some areas of the bond market for the first time in history ( that I'm aware of). Also when you consider how broke the average American is, for many the monthly account fees they are charged are in effect a negative interest rate. They started covering bitcoin early on too. While they can sound like chicken little with the constant doom and gloom, I tend to also think the whole international finance and fractional banking system is really a massive house of cards that most people don't understand who get suckered into thinking that that the economy is good because a bunch of bankers at the nyfed decided to buy 80b/mo worth of t bills to push the stock market up , Janet yelled said your credit cards interest rate would stay low and that it's a good time to refinance your mortgage

>>127831506
can i upboat this

Because they are economists.

Because they keep thinking it's a real free system. They keep thinking up is up and down is down

But the whole things fake.... so analysis is useless

It's like trying to psychoanalize a tv character

keep buying houses in canada guys. i need the bubble even fatter.

>>127829961
They are warning that they never properly fixed the markets after 2008. We are screwed right now. The house of cards is going to fall.

Right now the whole financial market is being manipulated and I think they get things wrong because they still assume traditional market conditions.

Economic publications that claim to predict the economy are worthless.

>>127829961
>Why are they so consistently wrong?
I've also notice they shill for Russia, Iran and Syria all the time too and predict WW3 that never happens.

>>127830765
As they should be. It's not the number of days that you're right but their magnitude that counts.

>>127837150
this
government actions control when an economic crisis occurs more than (((banks))) and "the free market"
the other two just speed things along

File: 55bf8cbe5c0f1e25ac140bcdac828043660d532b05bc368fd5a31973742ea4c9.png (165KB, 659x280px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 659x280px

>>127838143

Well if you know anything about the middle east JewSA, Israel, and Saudis make it hard to hate Russia, Iran, and Syria.

>>127829961
They're not wrong on how to get people to click on their shit. Take it on the chin, son. It's the way of the future. Jeff Bezos' digital plan for the Washington Post is more or less this.

>>127829961
I agree with a lot of what they say but they're clickbaiting for relevancy which ain't cool

When you're trying to create an alt-media that offers something different than WSJ, Bloomberg and so on, you don't fucking become them by copying their tactics. At this point they're about an year away from becoming the Alex Jones of economic news

>>127829961

ZH is doom porn clickbait for people who hate the world and want to watch it burn.

>>127829961
Zerohedge is rare place of truth on the net...

Ive been a regular reader since before the GFC.

If OP is trying to discredit the tylers, then OP is a faggot shill...

File: WorldBurn.jpg (43KB, 640x640px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 640x640px

>>127840367

>>127829961
zerohedge/the tyler durdens aren't the ones doing that. if you look back you'll see it's a few specific writers that they have syndicated who are consistently predicting MUH SHTF and "game over" and so on, within a small cadre of FUD-spreaders that has included PJW at times. true, they shouldn't be running those faggots articles at ZH, but you can just ignore the half that's shit if you know who it is. charles hugh-smith and howard kunstler are in the FUD group. do your homework, fag.

File: 1469927910285.jpg (53KB, 850x400px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 850x400px

>>127829961

File: 1492052556227.jpg (21KB, 322x340px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 322x340px

>>127843561

>>127829961
Vastly underestimated the jews ability to keep the lie going and the ignorance and lack of reaction of the people.

>>127841580
there's nothing perceptive about what they do, they just take a guaranteed constant that we don't know when will happen and keep spouting that water is wet over and over and over

Because fear sells, numb nuts. "Imminent collapse" headlines generate about 1000x more clicks than something level headed.

>>127829961
Zero Hedge: Where 9 of the last 2 recessions were accurately predicted.

>>127829961
> Why are they so consistently wrong?

QUANTITATIVE EASING

in a more normal world without all the central bank interventions they probably would have been right

File: 1492076203053.jpg (130KB, 600x438px) Image search: [Google]

130KB, 600x438px

>>127829961
ZeroClue just want to take your money that's why.

Go buy (((gold))) goys.

>>127829961
Internet bucks are still being made.

>>127831506
>started covering bitcoin early on too

Telling you not to buy it.

>>127829961
The economy should have imploded ala 1929. For a large swarth of the economy (rustbelt, millenials) it never got better. However the fed bailed out the banks. Reinflated the markets (all of them). Basically you can see how divorced stock prices are to the economy. Our fiat currency value is continuing to decline while cost of living climbs ever higher. It will break eventually. The fed can't cut interest rate any lower or they would paying people to take loans. It's fucked are we are about to get fucked.

their only fault is they failed to account for the hand of god interfering via QE and bailouts.

why didn't they take into account the hand of god? why didn't they listen to the animal spirits?

>>127844200
heres more info on why zerohedge is always so wrong

637: Rate cuts since Bear Stearns imploded in March 2008.
$12.3 trillion: (<-WTF?!) Asset purchases through global QE programs.
$8.3 trillion: Global debt yielding zero percent or less.
489 million: Population of countries with official policy rates of less than zero.

>>127829961
They also did an article on Pizzagate. So they're alright in my book. The place was started by some guy who got banned for insider trading, he made about $500 iirc.

>>127844327
>not having gold

>>127841580
>truth

More like fake news

>>127844423
>>127844423
Thats bullshit. There's plenty of articles from 2011 that are very positive about bitcoin and urge readers to look into it. As a Libertarian website, ZeroHedge has always been in favour of non-government controlled money

http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/bitcoin?page=74

Try reading some of the earliest articles you dumbass

>>127829961
They're not really wrong, kicking the can has always been a possibility, and it is being kicked. Instead we're just seeing a gradual decrease in standard of living in real terms, and (especially in the eurozone) unsustainable debt growth.

>>127844878
Dude I used to read ZeroClue everyday for years. They are 90% poo poo bitcoin 10% article praise it.

You'd lost everything if you actually follow their investment (((advices))).

>>127844619
Durring the great recession about 8 or 9 years ago cash 4 gold popped up everywhere. It was mainly operated by the (((chosen))) selling the few hard assets people had. Well who bought the gold? China. I wouldn't get into gold the chinks are manipulating the market. Seems Russia and China are trying to make their own currency to upend the petro dollar. China has also invested in hard real estate too. They are doung massive sell offs crashing Australia and Canada's housing markets. We are next friendo.

>>127845231
We still have the possibility of the BRICS currency and BRICS bank becoming serious.

>>127831506
No one really knows what the fuck is going on anymore. There's no real market anymore, it's just banks using free money given to them by the US, EU Central Bank and Japanese Central Bank to speculate on stocks, none of it is driven by earnings growth in the companies they buy stock in.

>>127845201
t. retard who bought silver at 50

File: 1495486947716.jpg (858KB, 770x1064px) Image search: [Google]

858KB, 770x1064px

>>127838143
>they don't suck Trump off enough when he decides to be a good goy

I've been following the markets since the mid eighties and one thing I can tell you to run away from is anyone who mentions the word fiat in relation to currency, and then starts pumping gold.

Sure, you'll catch a gold boom once in a while, but most newbies to investing don't get hooked in until it's about to bust.

Can't go wrong with tulips or ostriches.

>>127845173
They have to introduce obvious and stupid censorship now. I can give a lot of examples, but the obvious is the blacked out charges Sweden disclosed against Assange. That never works and especially when its stupid like that. I don't think kicking the can does anything anymore. The thing is if the US is about to default, there will be QE or some such shit. QE was there already, so that makes me doubt US solvency. It's all great for stock market, though, and I think they are missing it. In the end those big businesses will fail of course, but equity is the way to go in currency turning to shit world.

>>127845926
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Macro-economics don't make much sense unless you mention fiat. But yes, it's not just gold vs. paper as some make out.

>>127846196
Almost no large nations are solvent, nor are the banks. The value of liquidity is falling, you need tangible wealth stores now, including manufacturing. Equity is 100% the way forward, frankly it always has been. Nobody doing anything serious works for anything but equity now. (by which I mean non wage-slaves).

>>127844327
>Shits on gold
You don't have precious metals and foreign stocks in your portfolio you're a stupid goy.

>>127846740
>foreign stocks

Have fun losing everything. Maybe you can sue the IMF!

>>127846437

If you're taking tips from someone who drops that word to sound knowledgeable beware. They're not just a bit wrong, they're whole world view is fucked up. Google The Privateer for someone who's been running a newsletter predicting the collapse of paper money since the early eighties. Retired a couple of years ago close to suicide.

>>127846437
It's like housing, though. At first, there is a rational reason to invest, later the reason is gone, but the process remains. Equity is good, I just doubt that monster tech companies are really worth what people are paying for them. I think there is some value in smaller companies, but FB or AAPL are shit if the governments are really as insolvent as they seem. But due to the money flow everyone owns shit equity in size, and that's where we are now. So say there is debt crisis, what's the value of half of big tech companies? I understand why they are buying those monsters, but there is really no value there anymore. In a currency collapse they are nearly worthless because most of those are really luxury tech.

>>127847102
That's a lot to do with the misunderstanding that fiat currencies aren't backed - they are backed, it's just not a hard back, and it's not a backed by a single good. The petro-dollar has its name for a reason.

But as you say 'fiat' is not in of itself an argument. The issues people allude to are generally found in Keynesianism, and more-of-then-not, the odd thing people purport is Keynesianism today. Plus the whole myth that economics is a science, and can be trusted as a predictive theory.

>>127847531
Equity in tech is good when you're pushing startups. Equity in large tech companies has value, but perhaps should be transacted for something less volatile. Or you could just buy wine and art.

>>127846437
And you can tell it went surreal with TSLA. That's just antithetical to the reason people buy tech or equity in the first place. Government subsidies and 100% dependence on secondaries. People buy tech because they are independent of the government and because cash requirements are low. Something just broke and went apeshit when you see stuff like TSLA.

>>127829961
Because nobody has a working economic model, so it leads to shit-birds like these guys coming up with random bullshit and claiming it's how the world works.

>>127847919
Reminiscent of the dotcom era. And that biomedical scam from a while ago, can't remember the girl's name anymore.

Always worry when governments pour money in. One thing we have ample evidence for is that governments invest badly. Almost nothing they put money in pays for itself. I tend to view companies seeking large government investment as a redflag for holding investment.

>>127829961
1) They're mostly click bait, so lots of doom porn as that gets the clicks.
2) They're basically the financial blog arm of Russia Today. This became incredibly obvious after Crimea. Their only focus is to point out the flaws in the western system and try to harm confidence. Our whole western financial system relies on confidence (it is basically a ponzi).

t. I've been a regular reader since the days Marla used to post. Anyone remember her? She disappeared after a pro-Israel post (camel on a boat). Guess the Russian handlers didn't like it.

File: 18812240_194181844437762_8455542157615300608_n.jpg (333KB, 1080x1080px) Image search: [Google]

333KB, 1080x1080px

>>127829961

Because they dont trade, they are just biased "commentators".
Every single time I actually took them seriously I lost a great deal of money.

>>127848020
Armstrong has, and thats why I will always shill 4 him.
Even if you doubt me, you should always pay for your research because at least paid research doesnt have a conflict of interest with you.

>>127848150
.coms had IPO scams, where allocations were too low and the funds had to go to the market to buy the latest ipo. That was where all the crazy things happened. This market is nothing like that. It's constant flow of institutional money buying liquid names with no regard for anything.

>>127829961
OP and his buddies pooled all their saving together and bought 10 shares of SNAP.

>>127848699
Fair point.

It's just QE money going into nothing. Just more wealth being stolen.

>>127848660
who is that in the pic? Im in love

>>127849037

taeri__taeri

>>127848832
Hey Britbro. What do you think of current equity valuations given the clear rate hike intentions of the fed? QE wind down coming soon as well. ECB looks like they may reduce their accommodation as well soon.

I hear ya on the benefits of putting your wealth in solid companies, but the price you pay is important too. While I acknowledge things could push higher (even a blow off top), I can't justify parking long term savings in at these prices.

Crazy environment we're in.

Central banks keep printing and printing, no signs of slowing down, malinvestments created by bubbles take time to show up.

Economy is not going to crash this year or the next, but for 2020 I expect a major crisis, this crisis has built up slower than the previous because people have been austere due to the previous crisis, but there are signs already of overheating.

I doubt zerohedge has announced imminent economic collapse, if anything, they must have warned that we're creating a bubble that will (always does) collapse.

>>127849328
Thanks going to fap now.

>>127847778

My point isn't about Bretton Woods or pushing any particularly economic view, only that I find quite often those who don't know a great deal about economics that are quick to use the term "fiat" have read one or two doomsday books and have built their whole world view around it.

I'd rather not get into schools of economics. They're all about as reliable at predicting the future as the schools of climate models.

>>127844735
t. CNN reader

>>127849860
I don't have an overall opinion on them, all over the place. In some cases evidently over valued, others may be towards a realistic valuation. I think very few are undervalued at the moment.

I'm also very wary of most large companies, as it's hard to tell how many of them have valuations propped up by debt-driven share buybacks.

I'll believe the QE wind down when I see it, same with the rates actually rising substantially.

I think another risk is the under reporting and obfuscation of held debt, which can be kept under the rug until rates rise.

So, returning to your question I suppose, you don't want to be left holding the can. When rates start to rise we'll get a better picture of healthy investments, and it's going to be a bloodbath. So I'm trying to carefully park a reasonable safety-net.

>>127851441
Even worse the ones that only get a third of the way through some real literature, give up, and pretend to know something.

But yes, the man who calls economics a science is deluded or a liar.

>>127831481
You're right. QE+$2 trillion in stock buybacks = artificially inflated market

>>127829961
They've predicted a dozen fake collapses for every correct one, you are suffering from confirmation bias.

>>127852446
so you're saying the markets aren't manipulated?

how exactly do you define QE, then?

because they also predicted infinite qe, which is what we got

>>127831481
This is true. There's no growth. It is Entirely financial activity. Go back and take a look at the historical data of the DJIA. Dow over 20k now?!?! And everyone's broke?

>>127852872
of course it's all insider trading, why would I think otherwise? I'm just saying that ZH are just shills like every "secret analyst" website there is.

>>127852872

QE is not manipulation, do you even understand what QE money does?
Do you think they use it to trade?
lol

>>127853041
Exactly. Pair the equity markets from 2008-2016 against wages/income. Flat growth income. There's that one rake who posts Obamanomics at least once a week and calls right wingers retard. Kid can't even understand the effects of QE and 0% interest rates.

actually they have only been predicting the Dollar collapse

illiterate democucks find ZH articles too complex and say ''lol collapse every day for the past 10 years''

>>127853716

> predict its the end of the dollar and the rise of a new gold standard since 2011
> dollar takes off and fucking rapes every single currency under the sun since 2011
> gold its still down from its 2011 high with chances of moving to 900
wew lad, think you got it a bit wrong?

>>127853564
QE effectively made took all the money out of the money market into the equity market. Discounted 8k DJIA. The government and big business essentially borrowed at 0% Federal interest rates. Anyone with excess capital post 2008 threw it back into the discounted equity market. It was like throwing a dart at a dartboard. Coupled with $2 trillion in stock buybacks, the market exploded trading 25x earnings. The rich got richer while wages remained flat. largest wealth gap since 1920 recorded by Census.

>>127829961
Because it's a parody website, OP. You see how the mass financial media predicts a bull market every single day, no matter what actually happens? It's a parody of that.

yeah they have doomsday articles over every little thing. they aren't as "unbiased" as people seem to think

>>127854104
>QE effectively made took all the money out of the money market into the equity market

What the hell are you talking about, please stop.
QE money is used to buy BONDS not equities, said bonds remain in the fed until maturity effectively doing NOTHING to stimulate the economy.
Where the hell do you read such bullshit that the QE money is used for equities? Because sincerely thats the most retarded thing I've read, and I read Mike Maloney's newsletter on gold just to chuckle at how he's probably near total bankruptcy.

>>127829961
Happeniggers are NEVER right about anything

>>127831481
>>127853041
>>127852211
>people who actually understand what's going on
that's novel.
You're right. We've been essentially frozen for a decade.

>>127829961
They actually refrain from making outright predictions beyond "this won't end well." What they have done is to highlight the structural BS and fraud in our financial system. People who read into their articles, especially the past ones that were heavy on financial jargon, that the system is going to collapse tomorrow and short the fuck out of everything are goddamned morons.

>>127829961
Theyre not wrong. Theyre just too alarmist. If/when the crash happens, youll find that for the most part zerohedge was right all along. Crashes don't just happen for no reason. Theres glaring structural problems in the economy that hardly anyone else is talking about

>>127854479
the change in interest rate artificially devalued and depressed returns on securities by state fiat. state fiat caused massive market shifts, whic is why 95% of post 08 gains have taken place within 24 hours of each fed minutes release

finish econ 101 before you post on the 4chinz you faggot

>>127854479
>State bonds
>a future for white children
I chose second

>>127854479
I have an MBA doofus. Investors put their money into the equity market when it was discounted after the Federal Reserve bought massive amount of T-Bills(money market). You don't even know the difference between markets. Equity market = Stock Market.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.

>>127855006
>youll find that for the most part zerohedge was right all alon

Well I can say you will die all day for years and you could live to 150 but the day you die my tomb will be there to say "see I was right".

>>127855098

Thats complete bullshit, the profits come from international money moving from the mess that is europe, emerging and asia back into the states, of course if you actually traded instead of spouting
>muh state fiat
you would have noticed the clear as fuck trend.
Psshh nothin personnel, kid. just leave the money on the table.

>>127855424

Oh yeah as if you wouldn't put your money in equities seeing that every single government except the US is entering meltdown, do yourself a favor and look at currency flows.
Literally nothing to do with QE which was wow fucking nothing!

>>127849860
Canada has banking problem. That Home Capital group means the delinquencies hit. Probably from Vancouver only. Imagine what happens when Toronto joins Vancouver in delinquencies, and delinquencies become defaults. You are looking at 2008 style meltdown in the making in Canada, only your government may not have resources to bail out the banks. If I was in Canada I would worry about safety of capital instead of investing for growth.

>>127845843
>golden goys

I almost shit myself

File: 1488901477553.jpg (3MB, 3135x4000px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3135x4000px

>>127829961
Someone doesn't actually read Zerohedge.

The comment section is all finance guys and accountants with good senses of the humor and wit. They see the writing on the wall and know where boom-bust Keynesian/Goldman cycles inevitably end up.

>every day warning of shit
Look at the CPI (Consumer price index) for the price of a Burrito (or any good) in 2006 compared to now. $1.65 to $3.85. See how quick the value of the dollar is dropping? Pointing something like this out isn't saying 'The sky is falling', it's saying; hey his mixed with large amounts of debt may be unsustainable. Lurk more there

>>127855678
Theres a difference between saying "the economy is going to crash someday" and actually breaking down how and why its happening

>>127829961
In their defense, the Madoff scheme was uncovered nearly ten years before it collapsed. And it only collapsed because the larger economic element of the housing market collapsed, which forced it fall apart. That doesn't make the whistle blowers who uncovered it (and who everyone ignored) wrong simply because they were early.

How much longer can the pyramid scheme that is our debt-based currency last? It too will only collapse when a larger economic component forces it to. Care to guess what that will be?

>>127857615
I go with highly educated jobless NEETS simply refusing to work for pennies to grow /our/ economy to pay back the debt of their fathers, and rather simply wait for the big boom

>>127829961
When it inevitably happens they can claim they were right all along.

>>127857822
I think that's a rational guess. Demographics (or if you prefer, labor) are larger than and subsume currency. If it collapses the currency will follow.

So do derivatives.

So does infrastructure, productive capital, and the ability to defend against invasion, among others.

But, without a catalyst then, much like Madoff, the scheme can theoretically continue in perpetuity.

>>127857193
But it isn't 'happening', that is the problem with their claims. They take some narrow slice of the economy, make some graphs and a few hand waves to suggest the consequences will be disastrous. They know their readers will extrapolate that disaster into ruination of the entire global economy and everyone eating dog food by torchlight while huddling naked under a crumbling overpass.

But the reality is the forces they report on are not capable of wrecking anything more than some limited market and making a few narrowly invested speculators lose shitloads of money that almost immediately appears in some other speculator's hands.

'Happening' implies a somewhat linear progression along some timeline. With Zero Hedge and the other Misesians is that their timelines have been proven wrong so many times they know better than to commit to even vague ones.

>>127858868
I'm a sociologist in the widest sense. The only thing I get in an economic way is
>Buy guns
and ammo
Be ready to smile when you kill

>>127829961

They are right in theory, it is just a matter of time which no one can predict accurately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhWwkQxG86M

>>127829961
ZH has gone down in quality over the past 1-2 years. They've become way more clickbaity.

As far as being bearish goes? That's their right. I wouldn't say it makes them wrong, just bearish. If you don't like them, don't read them.

>>127859522
ZH used to be the best source of news for anything European. You'd get numbers, when the EU papers were printing just talking points and quotes. Then they went through some internal problems - apparently they hired some guy to spend his whole day posting stories, but he turned out to be a drunk and failed, and then he turned on the creators, and there was a shakeup in writers. The new writers since then have been more clickbaity, and they consistently pull articles from bullshit sources like the "Gatestone Institute." There's a lot more anti-migrant and pro-Russian propaganda which, while not necessarily wrong, nevertheless seriously dilutes the financial news content that I go there to read.

>>127829961
They nor anyone else for that matter accounted for the sheer amount of unproductive and destructive money printing that America and all global central backs would conduct + near zero interest rates to try to keep the dead patient going. Also, markets are being heavily manipulated towards the upside by powerful control authorities.

These three things will result in an epic crash and results in the crushing inflation that millenials REEE about. So, no one predicted these guys would be this desperate and dumb. Many prominent fund managers still can't believe it and have literally returned billions of dollars of client money in fear of the eventual crash.

>>127859123
Their entire premise is based around the idea that the Fed is inherantly destructive. The Fed isnt a "narrow slice of the economy". Anyone that took the time to really understand what happened in 2007 is on the same page as ZH

File: IMG_0919.jpg (40KB, 540x540px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 540x540px

>>127856865
>good senses of the humor and wit
eh, more wit than here but some of those folks bring their feelings