I was thinking today, is Pablo Escobar like the most AnCap figure

> Negotiation succesful under Escobar terms. He is to be confined in a prison of his own making. Calls it The Cathedral and has all kind of luxury. He is only charged for minimum crimes.
> Keeps leading his cartel from this 'prison'. Finally gets out of hand and escapes in a tunnel after kidnapping the
> DEA gets involved hard and they finally shoot him death.
> Drug empire continues just switches hands

Would less State have prevented all this? I dont think so..

inb4 'he violated all forms of muh NAP'. How do you intend to achieve
your stateless existence without violence?

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>>127749976
People form unions, it's our nature to form hierarchies. A state less society is merely hitting the reset button on our organisational evolution. We would just start doing the same things over again ie form families those families form into tribes, those tribes unite with other tribes to form states.

Ancap is just a autistic meme that ignores human nature.

>what is a narco state

>>127750749
Ancap doesn't say there should be no hierarchies, just that the government shouldn't regulate market interactions

>>127750749
yes precisely. I just thought south american narcos are like the best example of where ancap would take us. The only thing that they may be different from the ancaps theorizing here is that they use violence. But that NAP stuff they love talking about, i don't see it ever happening in the real world.

So yea, narcos are the ancap role model

>>127750960
don't they say that there shouldnt be a government at all? thats narco wet dream

>>127751425
The Nacro becomes the new state, it flows into a kingdom.

>>127751771
yes thats what Escobar wanted. He wanted to
be president and turn Colombia into narco state.
He even offered to pay Colombia debt.

But you need morals to be a ruler. He couldn't get into power so he went to war against the state, basically. I think deep inside most anarchist would love to rule but they lack leadership traits, so if they cant rule no one will !

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>>127749925

That's a badass motherfucker.

>>127752725
Yeah, he didn't take shit from anyone. He is a good example of how far unlimited money and lack of morals can take you. In Ancap these types wouldnt take long to rule with their $$.

It was the state, military, police and the the United States Joint Special Operations Command, consisting of members of DEVGRU (SEAL Team Six), Delta Force and Centra Spike which stopped him.

Ofc there was corruption on USA side too. I'm guessing they killed him cause he was too unruly even though profitable. Thats why they didn't dismantled his empire, it just switched hands.

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>>127749976
>inb4 'he violated all forms of muh NAP'. How do you intend to achieve
>your stateless existence without violence?
You don't, the NAP just means you don't initiate it

>>127755520
so how do ancaps intend to materialize their ideology?
i can only see one option and its violent revolution. If they cant initiate violence then it will remain in paper forever as something we all laugh about.

>>127749925
Shut up about ancap. THIS IS ANCAP. GUESS WHAT HAPPENS??? PEOPLE FORM SHIT LIKE GOVT AND STUFF

>>127749925
>Ive been thinking today (Doubtful)
And
>Is pablo blah blah blah

Are both complete sentences.
Im no grammar practitioner, and I make errors in every post with no mind to proofread.

And with that said, I felt like this needed to be pointed out to you diego. Only because this particular grammatical error was done in such a way that it turned my brain off completely to your OP after having struggled for a good 5 seconds with what you were attempting to convey.

>>127756088
im not ancap. Govt is natural and will always exist

>>127756751
english is not my first language. How many languages do you know, burger?

Now adress the points I made or GTFO instead of crying about grammar

>>127756751
Not an argument. This post is unironically the /pol/ equivalent of
>YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>>127755922
Ancaps are the Useful Idiots of Libertarians.

>>127756817
Me neither. I'm sure they'd say an AnCap society would work if participants was smart enough to agree on basic principles and achieved equilibrium to keep it going. It sounds a lot like lawlessness which can only last so long before someone steps in to restore order by force in the form of ... government.

AnCap is a fun thought experiment that usually leads to realizing you can't have nice things with subhumans around.

>>127749976
Opposite. Wouldn't be possibly with more state. Cartels won't even go after American agents because of the shitstorm that happened with the Guatemala cartel or whatever.

>>127758626
Yep. Cartels only thrived cause governments were incompetent and corrupt, and the police & military ineffective.
Less governement would mean they'd rule South America by now.

>>127758414
We are in an ancap society.

>>127760765
that made me think, you may have a point if you see govt as privately owned as well by (((them)))

but there's still thousands of laws in place so.. nope

>>127761149
Well there wasn't but naturally people begin to do that sort of stuff

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>>127749925

Pablo was a dick. He was a dead man walking anyway in Colombia once Carlos and the PEPES went began their dark work.

If the search bloc didn't whack him he would have been fucking tortured and chucked in the street like a dog.

Anyway was it's M.A.N.s death today that got you thinking about this?

>>127761796

Forgive the fucked up punctuation and wording of this. I shouldn't type with a drink in each hand.