I just read the quran and it was the most awful book i have ever

>>127741164
embrace it Yilmaz

slide thread. Sage goes in the options field. His name was Seth Rich

>>127741164
I got a copy of the BoM and it was exactly like that, repetitive and boring.

"The purpose of Islam is Islam – the spread of Islam, the subjugation and destruction of all things non-Islamic. There is nothing else to Islam. It feeds off itself and reproduces itself. Just as a human being would, without challenges, Islam becomes tyrannical – and dull." - Mary Jackson

I'm struggling to find the motivation to continue with it. It's so damn repetitive.

>>127741164
>a complete chaotic catastrophe when it comes to chronology and context
It was assembled by illiterate sandniggers. Which basically means it could've been assembled just as easily by monkeys tossing around scraps of the Bible and Judeo-Christian apocrypha.

>>127741164
>why did allah reveal it only in this sand nigger language?
Because 7th century arabia was the best context to reveal it in. Thus 1400 years later we still have the original quran preserved.

>And in the end its just all about a narcissistic, sadistic and arrogant god names allah who tells us what to do or else he will burn us for eternity.
He's God. Who are you to judge him?

>>127741164
>"tfw to intelligent too read the quraan" the post

>>127741164
That's the fucking point, hans.
Why would a omnipotent god give a shit about some lowly creatures he created? God is fucking playing with us. In Islam, people are considered the slaves of god, we must persuade him to let us into heaven, or else off to the ovens you go.

>>127742027
1400 years later we're still too humane to wipe Islam completely off the face of the earth even though it deserved that long ago.

>>127742117
Yep, there are so many variations of, "This group didn't do what I said so I replaced them" or "They sinned so I sent them to hell." That's practically the entire book.

LOL.

Yeah I've read it too. Same experience.

>>127742027
Revealing dat 80 IQ

>>127742559
Ask yourself, Muribro, if you were an all knowing, all seeing and all powerful god, and you literally created a bunch of hairless monkeys, and sent them into the universe you created, would you want them to show appreciation, or just leave them party, because they are alive, drown in their own degennaracy?

>>127741164
...and what did you expect? It's an arab pedophile who kill people by the name of a pseudo-god he never met. At best he's a crazy man who immagine angel at worst the messenger of satan.

>>127743049
Doesn't matter because the elites control the world and, for better or for worse, technology and "modernism" is already the one world religion. At best Islam will survive in some hollowed out version like Christianity that has no actual effect on people.

>>127741164
>reads a book without an understanding in the Arabic structure/poetry and language in general
>Complains that he doesn't understand the structure and arabic poetry
lmao, now go kill yourself

>>127741164
The vast majority of Muslims don't read it, so they don't even realise how shit their holy book is.

>>127741164
>t. Achmed

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what did muhammad mean by this?

>>127743398
>If you believe in God you shallnever harm your neighbor, if you believe in God you shall honor your guest, if you believe in God speak the truth or be silent
>messenger of satan
Is this proof that the only reason for Islamophobia is lack of education?

>>127741164
It was written by inbreds. What did you expect

>>127741164
>b-but you have to read in arabic to fully understand it

Those who claim you have to read it in the original Arabic to "fully" understand it, can't even give a single example of what is contained in it's original that isn't conveyed by translation.

>>127743992
That is proof that Muslims lie constantly about the true nature of their religion.

>>127743992
Death to apostates. Yay or nay?

>>127741164
Have you read The Book of Mormon?

>>127741849
Read books about Islam by William Kilpatrick, Robert Spencer, Bernard Lewis. WARNING: these men are not redpilled. Two Jews and a Christcuck philo-semite. But they will get you started on what Islam really is.

Remember, just cuz Jews want us to bomb Muslims in the ME (Greater Israel), that doesn't make Islam friendly. Enemy of enemy =/= friend. At least not always.

The Politically Incorrect Guides to Islam (Spencer) and Jihad (Kilpatrick) will point you to a lot of other good books on the matter, like Schact's book on Islamic Law.

Don't just jump into the Koran; it's a collection of context-less proclamations.

>>127744145
Or maybe 1.6B people don't share the same interpretation and sources

Islam is literally a massive rationalization of arab's desire for homosexual rape.

>>127744181
No
God will punish them

>>127741164
It's great to get your charcoal grill started though. Soaks up the grease from pork chops and baby back ribs like a charm.

>>127743528
I read it in arabic and it's actually worse.

>>127741164
Muhammad Explains the Universe (Islam and Science, Part One)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7I0IAl88jg

>>127744255
I've read The Lawful And The Prohibited In Islam but I expected the Quran itself would still have a lot of value in getting through. So far the only insight is that it's almost entirely joyless, narratively empty, and full of nothing but constant hellfire warnings.

>>127741164
worse than harry poter ?

>>127744136
Simple reason. Not the literal translation, but translation of the meaning.
and the meaning is influenced by your sect and the hadith/Imam books you follow

>>127743049
Idk what I would do. You're using the psychology of a hairless monkey to understand a being beyond time

>>127743528
Why would you need to understand sandnigger "structure" and "poetry" to read an English translation of the shitty book you worship?

>>127744660
t.christian who believes plants were created before the sun and denies evolution

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>>127741164

burn this book

>>127744783
most of Islam is not even based on the Quran but the hadith

>>127741164
Now you know why most muslims are illiterate.

>>127741453
And he was murdered by Wikileaks.

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>>127741164
Even literary scholars say its a penance to read and is filled with many incorrect historical facts.

>>127744566
And what is your background in the arabic language ? Do you now the language structures in the arabic language? do you have a wide vocabulary in the arabic language ?

I don't think so.

>>127741164
I also read the koran, cover to cover. Its a mean spirited mess.

>>127741849
>>127744255
>>127744783
>>127745094

classic congame

also look up Brigitte Gabriel
> high iq brownskin hottie with huge tits
> calls it out directly for what it is, Mohammed was a goddamn conman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_RAbOJcu0

>>127744783
Not exactly the KJV

>>127745434
>If she said it, it must be true
lmao neck yourself

>>127742027

Mohammed even proclaimed if he be a false prophet that he be stabbed through the gut.

He conquered a village and foolishly accepted food from a grieving widow, it even smelled of poison.

Later he said it felt like his intestines had been severed.

> FUCKING FALSE PROPHET
> EVEN BY HIS OWN WORDS

>>127741164
>>127744783
read sufi teachings, they interpret the esoteric knowledge behind it. you won't understand shit if you just read it like a fiction book

t.non muslim

>>127741164
damn the anti-Islam shilling on /pol/ has really stepped up in the past few days. they must be getting worried.

>>127743902
Muslims and apologists always love to leave out that last paragraph that basically says that anyone not a muslim is fair game.

>>127745019

Read Genesis you fucking mong. Or just joogle it. Light was created first you dense faggot

>>127745613
actually it's said that his aorta should be severed if he was

>>127741164
It's not a book you can just pick up and read. A common misconception about holy books. They're for the initiates only and the ones interested in that religion. There's no point in reading it otherwise. You're not able to understand what you're reading.

>>127745794
So first there was light and then he created the sun? Tell me more how much of a scientist you are!
http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm

>>127741164
Everyone here agrees with you. Go tweet this or something. You don't have to convince us.

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https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/judaism.htm

>>127746144
no we don't. not everyone on this board is an underage edgy trash

>>127745660
that shit is worse. tasavvuf is totally a new religion. read michael sikkofield and you'll know.
basic logic. allah sends this book so people will understand everything about islam.
you are suppose to only need quran.
allah says that you should not learn anything from anywhere else.
so no sufi for you.
t.non muslim

>>127746412
funny how all muslims except for a tiny minority follow loads of other scriptures in addition to the Quran

>>127746411

There is literally nothing more "edgy" than islam you turk trash

>>127746645
when you look at it accually thats how religion works. i see these as little religions. using existing religion and create a new one. but label it as interpreting it.
get free followers and have power get shit done.

>>127745094
No kidding. The 'Five Pillars of Islam' can't even be constructed from the Koran alone.

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>>127743528
Shit is shit. Stop pretended like your monkey language somehow give it another meaning. Mohammed was a twat who preached peace when he had naked ass, and when he stole and raided enough he ruled like a warlord who consolidated his power and made up shit on the run. Language has nothing to do with it.

Aligierri's Inferno is great book of poetry whether it is in italian or english language, meaning remains the same.

Shit is shit.

>>127741164
>>b-but you have to read in arabic to fully understand it

This is the issue though. You don't understand arabic and translating 7th century arabic to english is not easy. If you don't understand arabic you will have trouble reading it. It was written in arabic and kept that way because it wasn't shared with other speakers for centuries during the first islamic conquests

However I speak arabic and I'll say this most of the quran is purposely vague and hard to understand because it was written so long ago and not changed like the bible was. The vagueness of it is why it's misinterpreted by radicals and perverted. It's easy to say the quran justifies things like murder of prisoners when the book itself and the writings on these topics is so vague.

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>>127746412
>michael sikkofield

fucks sake fellow countryman... I hope you're not older than 20. allright here's a quick rundown for you

>muhammad is kill
>umayyads corrupt his teachings
>they're the source of current corruption in islam (they also rise to power in ottomans during bayezid, that's why tamerlane kicks their ass)
>they attack turks and convert some of them with sword, rest still follow the old ways
>sages of khorasan (wise turks) notice the divine in muhammad's teachings, also the corruption of umayyads
>they mix ancient teachings with muhammad's teachings and sufism is born (around 1000AD)
>they larp as muslims to avoid prosecution
>they migrate to anatolia to spread the teachings
>later on ottomans (the hidden hand behind them, umayyad's dark cult) wage war on turks in anatolia, genociding and exiling tens of thousands of them, replacing them with sunni ar*bs
>rest is history as you know

don't form up your ideas on some edgy retarded muslim conspiracy theorist dude

>>127742027
>t-t-the perfect, most majestic and most powerful being in existence i-isn't allowed to like itself ! it should be humble !
Fedoras should stop trying to deal with religious concepts, they on't realize how poor they're at it.

>>127747866
is he a hadith rejector?

>>127745613
Nice one, but lets be serious, if its suppose to be the same abrahamic god that jews and christians worship, which why say it is, how the fuck is their prophet going to violate just about every law god put on man prior to his arrival? shit at least jesus was hippy tier nice and didnt do awful things like murder people, or even advocate murder of people....even when faced with his own murder he didnt lash out.

Sorry man mohammed if he was a prophet, it wasn't a prophet of god, prophet of satan is a solid match though.

>>127748404
he's a shitty conspiracy theorist with islam flavor, talking about illuminati etc. he has enormous influence on teenagers

>>127743489
>At best Islam will survive in some hollowed out vers
Islam won't survive, according to Islam. God will withdraw Quran from the earth; people will forget it, books will be lost. All faith will disappear before the Hour.

>>127744566
Alright then, care to give any specific examples as to what makes it bad, and what would you consider better ? Since you seem to be so knowledgeable in Arabic, and gifted with such a refined taste in literature and philosophy.
Waiting.

>>127741164
Isn't the Islamic god and Christian god the same? Is so you're committing blaspheny against Christianity as well

>>127741164
>checks flag
>I don't speak fucking arabic
Nice taqqiya

>>127748463
what's so wrong about killing people? we advocate for genocide all day on /pol/. the concept of jihad is also corrupted. actually there are 2 types of jihad (ofc %90 of muslims don't know this), little jihad and greater jihad. little jihad is waged upon one's self. it means overcoming your ego/seperate self etc and becoming one with god. greater jihad begins after you're finished with little jihad. since you're enlightened now, you go and help the others, show them the path. that's what greater jihad means, not chopping people's heads off

>>127741164
You have to read it in the correct order. The order it is presented in (cover to end) is not the chronological order retard.

>>127749383
You have to read a biography of Muhammed to obtain the chronological context of the Koran.

>>127743651
>The vast majority of Muslims don't read it
True.

>>127744145
>islamic text is violent
"MUSLIMS ARE SAVAGES !!!11"
>islamic text is ethical
"FAKEEEE"

And Kuffars wonder why Muslims would rather behead them than debate.

>>127747630
History is less vague, and Mohammad was acting according to Quran so his actions are the realization of the doctrine. If one seeks confirmations, this is where he should seek it. See >>127749522

Same here, OP.
I read it - from about half way thru it gets so repetitive. It repeats itself over and over - throws in some random made up paragraph about Noah, then Adam, then Moses, then Job, then Jesus - all over the place. It's garbles state alone discredits it in my opinion.

>>127749578
Oh, bullshit. The Koran was 'revealed' according to Muhammed's situation at the moment.

>>127741164
burn it

>>127745241
>>127748767
Daily reminder that UAE flag almost always means a Pajeet larping as a local.

>>127741164
>i dont speak fucking arabic
Not yet kraut, soon though. Real fucking soon

>>127747302
>testifying that God is unique is in the Quran
>praying is in the Quran
>fasting is in the Quran
>feeding the poor and giving them money is in the Quran
>even the pilgrimage is in the Quran

Man, who would've thought.

>>127749891
What part of my post are you disagreeing with ?

>>127750047
They do have a lot of them, but many are believers. And many Emiratis don't give a damn or are insincere.

>>127741164
Ive read it as well. I came to the conclusion that anyone who believes in that drivel must be actually retarded.

>>127750464
You don't know the difference between mentioned and specified, do you?

>>127750464
Obviously I reject your faith premise that Muhammed was carrying out "Allah's will," rather than his own.

>>127745151
lol is that what they're preemptively going with? How does that even make sense in your head? why would wikileaks kill him?

>>127741164
explain how this differs from the Bible?

>>127751838
The Bible is at least a collection of coherent literature.

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>>127742027
heres your allah, roach
this is who you worship
now kys

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>>127741164
Shit test senpai. It's not my fav religious text but it has parts of great beauty.

http://www.al-kitab.org/al-kitab/quran/SURAH055.htm

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>>127741164
Can we just all stop being jealous of Islam? Its the most conservative and masculine faith right now, christianity used to be like it but the kikes infiltrated and feminized it to hell.

>>127752305
*shit taste

I'm catholic myself, but I would rather have muslims for neighbors or relatives than faggots-seculars. There just isn't anything interesting to talk to secular people about.

>>127753705
Imo one big problem with translations of the Quran is they go for autistic accuracy rather poetic strength. IMO they should gather their finest poets for 20 years and do KJV for the Quran.

Like this has great images marred by retarded English.

https://quran.com/56

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>>127743528
IMO this is a bitch argument. Iliad is great in English. Aeneid is great in English. Beowulf and Heliand and the Bible are all excellent in English, and they all have to compete as translations. If the Quran cannot compete as a translation, it can only be because either the source material is weak, or muslims are shitty poets.

>>127751809
Wikileaks killed Seth when when he threatened to expose their operation buying selling and revealing state secrets.

>>127743528
If the text is not universal then it is not the word of god.

It is sickening to read. Compared to the bible though, it is much less of a boor, because it calls to violence and depicts violence so much, versus the bible droning on about God.

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>>127751181
Do you ?

>Offer Salah and pay Zakah and bow along those who bow
2:43
>Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you
2:183
>Say "God is one"
112:1

You could've found all these with a quick googling or just by skipping through the Wiki articles of the five pillars.
Why do kuffars love so much talking about Islam, yet know so little about it ? Seriously guys, wake up. Where do you even get your info from ?

>>127751543
Sure, but that wouldn't make you systematically disagree with anything I say, would it ? That's why I was asking what specific part of my post you said was "bullshit".

>>127753705
Where you at Cathbros, I can't find you anywhere in France. How could I help make Christianity great again ?

>>127754330
I think they do it on purpose so that people won't care much about the translation and try to go for the source material most of the time. I can understand that.
Quite fortunately, Christians don't think like that. This legit made me cry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae#Text

>>127759000
>t. has never read either.

>>127743049
You're describing God's thought procress in a very human way, some that Christianity avoids doing as much as possible. Islam was the narcissistic fantasy of a 6th century Bedouin. Dint believe me? Explain how when Muhammad wanted just about anything, he would 'suddenly' receive a 'revelation' from 'God' explicitly stating thay Muhammad can do what he wants despite its flying in thr face of earlier revelations, and the Bible, which, according to authentic Hadith, Muhammad decribed as an earlier revelation, stating that Jews did not need the Quran neccessarily because they had the Torah.
It's such a joke that you believe in this, Christfags arent even remotely as braindead as Muslims.

>>127743528
If the text cant be understood universally, then how is it from God? Christians and Jews believe the opposite, translation is fine and there is no theological need to understand it in the original Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek, but that is best for clergy to do.

>>127746115
but that's true you idiot

the sun is a relatively young star

>>127741164
OK, first off, not even the Arabs really understand the Quran. It's supposed to be perfectly clear, but nobody in the middle east talks that way at all.

It is a complete and utter lie that the only way to really understand it is in its native language, because Arabs themselves do not. They rely on trained scholars to interpret the verses for them.

Secondly, the Quran is NOT a narrative. It is not like the Bible where things happen and have a definite progression and structure.

It derives from an old pre-arabic poetic tradition. Four lines that describe what happens, and a fifth line that "ties everything together", like the chorus in a song. Usually, the fifth line is reserved for some praise or exaltation of Allah and his power and the peace he brings etc (this is also the source of the statistic that says that "peace" is mentioned more in the Quran than the bible-- it's mostly out of context).

So a typical Quran verse is going to read something like "Mohammad went unto the caravans of the kaffirs and found dogs, and dogs are unclean and shall be left in the fields to starve, Allah is full of peace and glory and will never be defeated" etc.

But there's a major problem with this-- The Quran (at least the parts of it that all of Mohammad's sheep fuckers turned holy men could recall from memory at the time when they got the idea to finally write it all down) was written in a script that was VERY ambiguous. Like half of the phonemes that identify individual words are just completely left out-- it's somewhere between the bible with all the vowels left out, and the bible with all the verbs left out. It's nearly impossible sometimes to really understand the original meaning.

For example, you know the 79 virgins you're supposed to get immediately upon death as a martyr? Silky milk-white skin and shining eyes and all the rest? 79 clear white grapes, and a flask of goat's milk. That's how ambiguous the old script was.

>>127759667
T. Someone who has never read eitger but thinka going to church on christmas makes him an expert

>>127759533
Like I said those are mere mentions, not descriptions. You're proving the claim that there's no such thing as a purely Koran-based Islam.

>>127760545
>And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out, and [the] oppression (is) worse than [the] killing. And (do) not fight them near Al-Masjid Al-Haraam until they fight you in it. Then if they fight you, then kill them. Such (is the) reward (of) the disbelievers.
Yep, seems pretty cut and dried. We all must die for being infidels.

>But if they desist-behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
But no, wait, what's this? Some light at the end of the tunnel? Maybe we CAN live in harmony with Muslims, at least until they have their reformation and all become just as docile and non-threatening as our greatest catholic priests!

All wrong. This is a misleading translation. You remember those every-fifth-lines I told you about? The ones that were completely out of context? Always about peace and glory be to allah and all that shit, regardless of what was said before? This here is an example of a misleading translation. Meant to convince us that Islam has a peaceful side, when in reality it doesn't.

More honestly translated, it might read:

>Kill the nonbelievers
>Allah is greater than anything else.

It goes on from there, but so much of that is so incredibly poorly translated. The whole language gap thing is just a way for them to hide their true intentions.

>>127759694
>the Bible, which, according to authentic Hadith, Muhammad decribed as an earlier revelation
No need to quote hadiths, the Quran straight up says that already.

>>127760640
The argument wasn't about Islam in it's entirety, only the pillars. Yes Islam = Quran + Sunna (or Hadiths), but the pillars do, as opposed to what you unknowingly claimed, originate from the Quran.
Once again, why talk so much about what you ignore ? I thought you guys despised weak beliefs and were all about checked facts, science and all that.

>>127761510
>And fight (against) them until not (there) is oppression, and becomes the religion for Allah Then if they cease then (let there be) no hostility except against the oppressors.
Even taken at face value, this verse is so incredibly ambiguous. Who are the oppressors? Like five verses ago it was talking about what you're supposed to do during the new moon and now you want me to keep track of this? What the hell is going on here?

And so it goes. Islam isn't so much a guide to a religion as it is a compressed and encrypted mind-virus. It looks like gibberish, and you have no idea what it's doing to you, because it's not really language-- it's a program that you just ran with root privileges in your subconscious.

>>127761583

The Sunna is divided into two types. The first is the consensus transmitted from the masses to the masses. This is one of the proofs that leave no excuse for denial and there is no disagreement concerning them. Whoever rejects this consensus has rejected one of Allah's textual stipulations and committed apostasy. The second type of Sunna consists in the reports of established, trustworthy lone narrators with uninterrupted chains. The congregation of the ulamas of the Community have said that this second type makes practice obligatory. Some of them said that it makes both knowledge and practice obligatory.
Ibn Abd al-Barr - Jami' Bayan al-'Ilm (2:33)

>>127761583
Dr. Yousef Elbadry, a member of the Higher Assembly of Islamic Affairs, accuses the Quranists of having a strange logic because relying on the wholly [sic] Quran only; while the Quran itself -as he claims- is in need for the Sunna,. Dr. ELbadry wonders what the Quranists say about verses like, "He who obeys the messenger obeys God?" Dr. Elbadry added that these Quranists went astray and should be considered apostates.
. . .
Dr. Mohamed Said Tantawy, the Sheikh of AL-Azhar replied saying that those who call for relying only on the wholly Quran are ignorant, lairs, and do not know religious rules because the ideas in the Sunna came from God, but it was put into words by the prophet (Peace be upon him). Moreover, Sunna explains and clarify the rules mention as in the wholly Quran.
. . .
Dr. Mahmoud Ashour, a member of the Committee of Islamic Research, that the Sunna is indeed a source of the Islamic Sharia, and that those who deny it are illogical because it is impossible to understand Islam with the Sunna. Dr. Ashour stresses that denying the Sunna costs the Quranists to lose their faith. He then called to protect Islam against those Quranists who plan to destroy Islam and pose the greatest threat on Islam and Muslims. He finally accused the Quranists to be spies and agents for other forces to aim at destroying Islam from Inside, but God will protect his religion as he promised.
. . .
Dr. Mohamed Abdelmonem Elberry, a professor at the School of Hadith and Explanation, Al-Azhar University, stressed the point that most Muslims have always agreed on validity of the Sunna, whether it is the verbal of practical Sunna. "The wholly Quran ordered us to obey the Messenger, and since this who do not are not true believers,"

>>127761583
The Grand Mufti of Pakistan Muhammad Rafi Usmani has also criticised Qur'anists in his lecture Munkareen Hadith (refuters of Hadith); he states:

The Qur’aan, which they claim to follow, denies the faith of the one who refuses to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and does not accept his ruling: “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisa’ 4:65 – interpretation of the meaning]

>>127761583
He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
Qur'an 4:80


"If you do not know what the Messenger had ordered, then this is impossible. The Qur’an also commands Muslims to follow the Messenger’s example, yet the only place this example is established is in the Sunnah. Without the Hadith, you cannot know Muhammad. Without knowing Muhammad, there is no Uswa Hasana. If you doubt the Hadith you are doubting the entirety of Islam. If you reject the hadiths, then you are in-turn rejecting Islam by going against the orders of the Qur'an and are therefore apostate/murtad/kafir (whichever may apply). Ultimately, to remain faithful to Allah and the Qur'an, the hadiths cannot be rejected."

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Don't forget your other jew-book options.

>>127761992
>>127762073
>>127762125
>>127762208
Neat. What's your point?

>>127747630
>not changed like the bible was

I presume you are a towelhead who has swallowed copious amounts of your own towelhead shit.

No version of the Bible, Old or New Testament, that has circulated widely in the Christian world ever deviated very far from the original Hebrew and Greek sources. Luther's Bible, the King James Bible, even modern "ordinary language" Bibles like the New English Bible were all prepared by highly qualified scholars with painstaking fidelity to the earliest manuscripts we have.

The substantial details of the Book Of Genesis, say, have remained the same, through hundreds of painstakingly faithful translations, from the 6th Century BC down to today.

>>127762572
You can not ignore the hadiths

>>127762572
>>127762705

Bigger point is, you can't pick and choose hadiths you like, or say hadiths don't matter when confronted about hadiths such as Aisha being 6 years old.

>>127747630
It's vague because it wasn't written down until something like 80 years after Mohammad died. We find variants of Quran all the time-- some even have architectural illustrations which is supposed to be a huge no-no. We even have evidence from these variations that huge portions of the text were transposed or taken out of order, and the order as presented in them makes far more sense.

Your doctrine has all of the same "flaws" as christianity. You can't escape that.

>>127741164
Any entity that demands worship and threatens punishment if it doesn't get it? Doesn't matter if it's more powerful than you - it's not God, it's someone trying to pass itself off as God. It's a nigger god.

>>127749578
>And Kuffars wonder why Muslims would rather behead them than debate
Well here you are being 100x more hostile and obnoxious than anyone else here and I don't have the urge to kill you. I wouldn't even justify it if someone wanted to do that. I'd find it abhorrent.

Yet you're basically justifying it in plain text.

If I didn't know that the intelligence agencies in your country WANTED your ilk to commit acts of terror I'd warn you to cut down on the dangerous speech.

Shit on it and post the pic

>>127749578

You're being misleading, the violent parts abrogate the peaceful parts

>>127763310
Looks like they gave up.

>>127750047
don't kid yourself the book is incredibly boring and repetitive, op is right

>>127741164
On the other hand, the Bible is fucking great. Strong cast of characters, epic scope, foreshadowing, and even a twist ending.

>>127762978
God probably doesn't need us to worship anything. God either IS us in some complicated way, or is watching from outside of our reality with total dispassion. There's no reason to give immutable laws and not give a reason to follow them except vague fear of punishment. A God who sets up a world like that is sadistic.

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>>127741164
If you thought the Quran was bad, the Talmud is the WORST.

>>127763945
Yes.
Sadly I have to concur.
I tried to read it and found it just confusing.
I read the NT & it has a storyline whether you care about christ or not.
koran was like a book of don't do this or you'll pay for it.
Like a spiteful god.

>>127765249
None of those have to be followed because the temple was destroyed. Rather, it is impossible to follow those commands because of this reason.

>>127761583
They do not 'originate from the Koran', they are pre-Islamic practices mentioned by the Koran because Islam appropriated them.

>>127763980
numbers is shit, chronicles is a repeat, etc.


Psalms, lamentations, luke are very strong tho

>>127765947
Except the jews still do it, and want to rebuild the temple so they have full authorization to do it

>>127744907
So you're basically Jews.

>>127746115
Yes the Big Bang would predate the sun, wouldn't it? Fucking retard.

Most Muslims can't read it in any language because most are illiterate.

>>127762705
Can you read ? I didn't say you can't ignore the hadith/sunna, I said there's no need for them when Quran has already settled the matter. 99% of muslims claim that Quran > hadith
Quranists claim that hadith shouldn't be taken into account at all. That's not what I said.

>>127762818
>you can't pick and choose hadiths you like
Yes I can, not all hadiths are true. Who said I didn't have the right to do so, some bearded sheikh ? They're not my prophet, I do what I believe is right. As a matter of fact, most muslims do.
>or say hadiths don't matter when confronted about hadiths such as Aisha being 6 years old.
I would be right to doubt this hadith, especially when the SAME source also admits other hadiths that give Aisha another age. But you Kuffars would rather die than show good faith. Or verified knowledge, for that matter.

>>127762931
It was written down, liar, just not compiled. We know that Muhammad's friend, who was alive at the same time, compiled the entire Quran. Mohammad died at around 60, so 80 years after his death means 140 years after his birth.
Talk about believing in crazy stuff...

>>127763192
The very taxes you pay each year serve to kill muslims because they bother your government. Voting for people who conduct one-sided """wars""", ending civilians left and right isn't justifying ? I'd like to know what it is, then.
>100x more hostile and obnoxious than anyone else here
You mean more hostile than every thread that revolves around nuking muslims and these kinds of fantasy ?
Sorry if I scared you with my criminal speech. I forgot how much words could be damaging, especially to one's own pride when they tear down paradoxes and put a stop to cognitive dissonance. You should run to the nearest hospital and ask them for some APAP. I believe terrorist attacks are 100% covered.

>>127753491
MemriTV is a Zionist strawman. Look who founded them.

In unrelated news the price of suramin has increased 1600%.

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>>127763310
You're being misleading, the SPECIFIC parts are in no way to be taken generally.

>>127765972
Just like you appropriated eating, sleeping, breathing...
Islam is not a standalone revelation, it's an update. I don't find it alarming that it stays true and coherent with the previous revelations - but then again, at least I know as much about it. The Quran says the pilgrimage originates from Abraham - hell, he even built the temple where it happens to begin with.

>>127768967
top kek

>>127741164
Try audible.

It makes hating Islam even more rational when you hear it's "holy book" being read out loud.

Everyone take note of the flag on this thread's resident sandnigger.

This is what France chose.

>>127746735
All the cucks, faggots and transfaggots are white and male. I find it hilarious as fuck that you betas keep talking about the glory of the white whilst getting absolutely bumfucked by any passerby. White women, black men, even other white men.

You keep shitposting on pol and patting each other's backs about how you'll "one day" lay waste to every transgressor, yet getting further and further from your objectives each passing day. So my question is, what are you going to do about it? Not what your government might. What are you yourself going to do? My best guess is shitposting on pol while your fat ass mother, who also happens to be the only female you've had contact with, fries you tendies. This is what the white race has become. Hitler must be rolling in his grave kek

>>127741164
i hope it will be legal to burn the Quran soon

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>>127741164


FUCK ISLAM.

>>127771749
So we take your women and wipe your race off the face of this Earth while you patiently wait for the burning of the Quran to become legal?

>This is what the white race has become

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>>127771651

Actually, there are a shitload of darkie faggots and trannies.

You would know that if you didn't spend all your time in your mother's cave, fucking goats and shitposting on 4chan.

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>>127743528

Kys.

>don't take the disbelievers as friends
>disbelievers are guaranteed disgraceful torment in the hellfire
>kill the disbelievers wherever you find them

Your religion is a hateful death cult, and most people see through the poor misunderstood religion of peace nonsense propaganda narrative nowadays. Sorry Ahmed.

i'm catholic. My biggest beef with islam is forbids almost all other forms of art other than the koran. Even instrumental! You cannot even compose music to put the koran to! No dancing either, no arts plastic or visual besides repeating geometrics.... It is not keeping with God's character or his history. David played music to please the Lord, and he was favored. A carpenter has his saw, the weaver her loom, why shouldn't the singer have drums and flute? It is contrary to everything else that God approves or forbids.

>>127745904
Like fucking sandniggers knew what aortas were

>>127771749
I hope it will be too, as long as the book belongs to you. Politics shouldn't mix with religion.

>>127773674
Why not? The point of state and society is to inculcate virtue. There is no political or social reason to let blasphemy be legal. Blasemphy against secular taboos is quite heavily policed and punished.

>>127772213
>brown skin = muslim xD
He was talking about doctrine here, not race.

>>127773559
Well famalamadingdong if you knew mid East history you'd know zoroastrians didn't give a fuck what happened to them after death so they were pretty far ahead in anatomical and physiological studies

>>127774497
I know, I hate it too when pseudo-artists piss on paintings of Jesus and things like that. I just don't think it's the gov's job to dictate what one can or can't do, when it comes to stuff that doesn't hurt others nor infringe others' rights. Also I wish we could live together and at peace, even if we strongly disagree with each other's beliefs and convictions, and show it.
I don't think there is such a thing as "blaspheming against a religion", blaspheme is against God or gods. As a believer, I don't think it's a human's place to judge what one does or says against God - God is old enough to deal with it.
I'm fine with proselytism for or against religion being illegal. I'm against all forms of propaganda, so advertisement should be banned too if governments cared about their citizen's well-being but that's another matter altogether

>There is no political or social reason to let blasphemy be legal
Education isn't the gov's responsibility. Also anything could be considered blasphemy; I really don't like religion as a political tool for power. History shows that it was used and abused to dominate people. Let them burn books and piss on paintings, it doesn't hurt anyone. People did worse when Jesus and Muhammad were alive, it's nothing new nor did it keep them from being virtuous as they were. If religious people honestly cared so much about virtue, then they should spend all their time trying to better themselves instead of judging others and looking for flaws around them.

But that's just like my opinion.

>>127741164
Because muhamud was a pedophile

2nd thread today, didn't you get you fill?
Face it, this shitty book gave guidance to an inbred low-IQ population, an enchiridion for them, so even in their lowest state yet, they still prevail, one way or another.
All of god's miracles happened in shitskin countries.
Face it, god doesn't give a shit about white people.