Universal Basic Income is the future, based Zukerberg will make

With his own money?

>>127719773
Yes, soon everyone will be as poor as the gibsmedat class and we will all live on $3000 a year.

>>127720033
If you have a national basic income in the states you can use that to go full Varg mode in the boonies.

You can leverage that money calculated for a city dweller and build a little homestead and have no bills except for some beans and rice and a new shovel once in a while.

Sounds potentially extremely comfy.

>>127719773
>Something everybody has
>Having any worth at all
Good luck with prices

>>127720024

If robots can turn raw materials into finished products, nobody has to pay for those products. There is nobody whose labor needs to be compensated.

This relies only on the few who own the robots deciding to share the benefits of that technology with everyone.

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Remember citizens, getting a facebook approved network implant guarantees eligibility for universal basic income.

>>127720441
>Automation will lead to muh post scarcity n33t utopia
Who pays for the robots

That's the person you're compensating.

>>127719773
>Greatly expand the welfare state
>Uncontrolled immigration
>Artificially flooding the market with fiat currency
>Having to price fixing to keep the market from correcting
What could go wrong

UBI is slightly less retarded than arbitrarily doubling the minimum wage but not neither understands how the economy works.

>>127720617
They're working hard on telepathy technology. They already have VR 10+ advanced than what we have now...it's what NASA uses to fake their livestreams on a hollywood set. You know this is going to happen.

>>127720847
>Who pays for the robots

See:

>This relies only on the few who own the robots deciding to share the benefits of that technology with everyone.

>That's the person you're compensating.

Only until they have recouped the cost of the robots, at which point it's pure profit. They can at this point choose to make it so the robots serve everybody.

>he thinks UBI will exist
>he thinks the government won't just directly offer the bare minimum to survive

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>>127721032
Why would they ever do that
>Because something something Monopoly of force by the good guys who I'm a card carrying member of forcing them to...

Why would anyone do anything if they get no gain from it. The reason why you are a fucking n33t wanting someone to gift you a tendiemotron is the very reason why no one is going to freely give you anything.

>The robots work for free
Who owns the robots
Who owns the factory the robots work within
Who owns the land that factory is on
Who owns the means of transport to the raw materials they utilize
Who owns the raw materials
>But Will just kill them if they don't give up their worldly wealth for the n33t collective

Communism with robots is still communism.

>>127721372
>implying companies won't lobby for the UBI alternative so people can buy cigarettes and vidya instead of bread

>>127721642
>Why would they ever do that

Indeed, that's a question a lot of people are trying to answer right now.

>The reason why you are a fucking n33t wanting someone to gift you a tendiemotron is the very reason why no one is going to freely give you anything.

You've assumed an awful lot about me. I haven't advocated for anything, I thought we were discussing this issue from an academic standpoint rather than attacking one another.

>>127723383
They do that anyway

>>127719773
>Universal Basic Income
aka slavery

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>>127719773
>based
>zuckerberg
Pick one. Kek, we will never have that scrawny Jew rat as president. Maybe in a couple decades but honestly I saw a speech from this guy the other day and it was laughable. Too jew even for the jewsa.

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>>127723383

tank dog for gabidalism :DD

>>127723544
And they always win.

UBI is in their interest, they need a market to keep enriching themselves.

>>127724424

If you owned all the robots that make everything, why would you need people's money? What would you spend it on that you couldn't just have your robots make for you?

I honestly think it's worth a test run.

Put a town on universal basic income for a set amount of time, see how everyone fares.

Presumably, or at least hopefully, everyone would lose motivation do do anything and thus prove that it isn't useful.

>>127720617
Who pays for the electricity to keep the robots running? Who pays for packaging material? Who pays for the unrefined goods the robot has to refine? Who pays for the robots when they break? Who clicks the "I'm not a robot" button on /pol/?

Oh wait, it's robots all the way down.

>>127724860

That has been done before.

The problem is that everyone knows it's not permanent so you can't measure real reactions to it.

>>127719773
ubi just means consilidating all the various welfare programs into one and sending you a check

but liberals will somehow believe they are getting more from it because its called something else

>>127724424
What worth does money have when everybody gets free money? It makes no sense. Why would I accept potatoes as currency for carrots when I give all my potatoes to the villagers and sell them the carrots?

At least in my example, I can eat the fucking currency. There is a reason a human can just barely live off of welfare.

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>>127721642
>BUT WHO PAYS FOR THE ROBOTS UHNNHNHNHNHNHNH

I feel bad for people who are incapable of comprehending an existence outside of the one they know. Mr Shekels loves people like you.

>>127724899
>Oh wait, it's robots all the way down.

Why can't it be? It's humans who do those jobs currently, not magic. If you can make robots as capable as humans, why can't they do every one of those jobs?

>>127725137

They become rationing tickets.

>>127719773
Micro-chipped population is very close now and it seems to get introduced in the USA.

>>127725397
Because have you even watched the fucking Matrix or Terminator?

>>127725089

If they don't currently get welfare, then they will get more.

Pretty much anyone who actually gets welfare will get less, though.

>>127725455
>it seems to get introduced in the USA.

I live in the US. There is no micro chipping program here.

>>127725491

Those were not documentaries.

Sure.
>horrible speaker that would get killed in debate
>rich, and out of touch with real world issues. To acquire more land in Hawaii, he sued people instead of offering them market value
>he saw the "bernout" vote immediately loves gibbs, so his platform is gibs. No idea where the money comes from, but he's already promising gibs.
>has a history of lying and stealing. It's how he made Facebook, he stole the idea.
>zero political or business experience, not even clubs in college like young dems.
>barely old enough for the job, lacks life experience
>would put more taxpayer money into his own special interest, than actually fix the things that are never fixed (infrastructure, draconian laws, drug policy, profit prisons).
>no grasp of economics, foreign policy, subsidies, and no political connections to anything like that.
>he doesn't believe in personal privacy, and had been quoted on this many times. Americans won't sacrifice freedom.
He might run, he might make it far, but in the end he's pandering to the people who couldn't get Sanders elected. He will end up with the same result. A fanatic fan base that won't go to the polls.

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>>127725491
>but duh matrux and turmunator so no robots pls

>>127725552
> When ridiculous movies become documentaries

>>127719773

Yeah, delete every other welfare program first.
$35,000 a year for everyone.

>>127725628
I'm all for being a lazy piece of shit. But I don't want a situation where we're forced to be saved by Keanu Reeves

>>127719773
>live your entire life as a subsidized consumer
basically cattle

>>127725714
>This is why some people legitimately want to stop progress

>>127725194
>Recieving goods without compensation is the way of the future! You're just too dumb to understand it!

>>127725588

You might wanna actually look up the Hawaii thing before spouting off like a retard. Misinformation like that just undermines us.

>>127725736

>$35,000 a year for everyone.
>US welfare budget of $10,500,000,000,000

>>127725863
Im scared robots will make memes beyond our comprehension.

For real though, idgaf if robots come at all.

im disabled and hate not being able to work for my money

im all for universal basic annihilation though because lets face it blah blah blah wheres the vidya

>>127725588

In a future where robots can do everything humans can, why are gibs bad?

>>127725835

Why is that bad? Do you currently consume nothing? How are you alive? If you do consume things, do you like working for it? Wouldn't it be better if you didn't have to?

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>>127719773
UBI is what masters give their slaves.

UBI is just (((them))) domesticating their labor animals even further. If the animals start to behave in ways their owners dislike - say, voice an opinion critical of their owners - away goes the food.

Once the herd is even more domesticated than it already is...(((they))) will begin the Great Culling of the goyim.

>>127720024
nah, everyone elses.

just so happens that its going to be everyone who is not jewish.

>>127723408
Go ahead discuss doesn't make you any less of a commie tho

>>127719773
No.

>>127726320
>UBI is what masters give their slaves.

Slaves don't get paid.

>UBI is just (((them))) domesticating their labor animals even further. If the animals start to behave in ways their owners dislike - say, voice an opinion critical of their owners - away goes the food.

You already go to prison if you commit crimes.

>Once the herd is even more domesticated than it already is...(((they))) will begin the Great Culling of the goyim.

How many piss bottles are you up to?

>>127726401

Communism is where everybody works, not where nobody does. The government assigns you a job and you do it, or you go to the gulag.

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>>127719773
>based Zukerberg will make this happen in America.

It's called Communism and it does not work. It was tried over and over again.

>>127726578

See >>127726530

>>127725954
I lived in Hawaii.
First he told America you don't need walls around you, then he did this.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-zuckerberg-wall-facebook-ceo-hawaii-neighbors/

Then he did this.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2017/01/18/facebooks-zuckerberg-sues-to-gain-quiet-title-to.html

He sued to attain the land, giving 20 days to respond.

Pretty sure your the one that's out of the loop, retard. Go ahead and present an argument instead of ad hom? Oh that's right, you're wrong and only have insults.

Welfare works so well for niggers, oh wait.

>>127726080
Thirty years ago they thought we'd be driving cars that flew and populating the moon.
Your ideas are as far fetched.
Let's see how valid your idea is. Where does the money come from?

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>>127726481
> >voice an opinion
>You already go to prison if you commit crimes
Thanks for illustrating the point.

Are you this fucked up for free, or do you do it for the shekels?

>>127727028
>Thirty years ago they thought we'd be driving cars that flew and populating the moon.

Flying cars exist now. Technology is not the problem, regulations are. The technology also exists to populate the moon, that's not the problem, it's economics.

>Let's see how valid your idea is. Where does the money come from?

If robots exist capable of making anything we want, nothing needs to cost anything. Money then stops symbolizing labor trading and just becomes a system of rationing.

>>127727237

I don't think it's wrong that murderers, thieves and rapists go to prison. I want them in there. If no government existed to do that, I would try to form one.

Here

this answers everything

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>>127726538

>>127720033
this

>>127724497
That would assume one person could own the robots that can do everything from laying plumbing to being a gardener to making jets. We're not at the point where one person owns the robots that make the best champagne and the best private jets et cetera.

>>127725137
It's limited free money, so there's still scarcity. There is already 'free money' in the form of welfare and society still works.

If you aren't lenient on immigration of course, otherwise it's a timebomb.

>>127727531
>That would assume one person could own the robots that can do everything from laying plumbing to being a gardener to making jets. We're not at the point where one person owns the robots that make the best champagne and the best private jets et cetera.

No such assumption. It is a very small number of people who own everything and they are very much in bed with each other.

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>>127720270
I imagine there will be a sub clause that requires you to live where you are told, in the city, to enjoy the fantastic benefits and of course to help reduce your gaping, carbon footprint that living in the country generates

UBI is the future, but not the way OP thinks, and it will be further in the future. It will happen by everybody having perfected 3d printers being literally able to turn dirt into food. The UBI aspect is the government giving everybody one. People will also get an equivalent of UBI from the free market by having the ability to "rent" out their AIs or computers for botnet blockchain farming

>>127727325
>If robots exist capable of making anything we want, nothing needs to cost anything.

What are materials???

>>127727858

Things robots can mine. Do you imagine the same people who own all the robots do not also own the lion's share of the world's natural resources?

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>>127719773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ

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>>127727411
And you earlier easily included voicing independent thought in your list of "crimes."

As with Faceberg, you're a tyrant attempting to portray yourself as an egalitarian.

You're a better argument against UBI than any words.

>>127728098
>And you earlier easily included voicing independent thought in your list of "crimes."

Wasn't that you, not me?

>As with Faceberg, you're a tyrant attempting to portray yourself as an egalitarian.

I've only said exactly what I have said. I am not your assumptions.

>You're a better argument against UBI than any words.

You're at least as good of an argument for birth control

>>127725948
How does it feel to be completely and entirely on the wrong side of history?

>>127726168
It would be great if we enslaved all women as concubines, but I'm not certain that's morally right or sustainable either.

>wouldn't it be nice if...

Literally worst argument ever

>>127728019

What is scarcity?

Until robots can just make goods materialize, there will always be a need for money. Otherwise your gold bar is worth as much as my poptart.

>>127720033
I do this already. You don't want this.

>>127727677
I think that the moment we reach full automation, no wage slaves needed, is the moment where the AI is advanced to a point that it doesn't need the rich any more.

>>127727325
You read too much sci fi.
The people that will own the robots, are the people who keep poverty wages so low now. They are automating, so they don't have to pay wages. They aren't doing this to give the money away. They are doing this so they don't have to pay taxes, health insurance, overtime or any costs like that.
You're guano if you think the people that are oppressing wages now are doing this to give money away. They are doing it to become richer and oppress you more. Costs in life inflate 2-3% a year, mini wage hasn't been hiked since 2009. Meaning everyone knows they are making 21% less than they were (same job, same wage) in 2009.
They aren't doing anything about it, just like your basic income. You are cattle to politicians and nothing more. You are worm to mega corps and nothing more.

You still just seriously repeated the same thing. You don't have any idea who's going to give you money, because no one will. It's a ploy to get you to vote for him and nothing more. No serious plan exists. It's a pipe dream from too much opium, and lazy, dense people lap it up with no real idea how it could be achieved.

>>127719773
Why would the elites give out basic income to plebs? When robotic technology is advanced enough to get rid of human labor people will just be exterminated.

>>127728575

If you also automate recycling, material scarcity does not exist. You are limited only by how much of the sun's output you can capture.

>>127728644
>You read too much sci fi.

You're reading this on a machine that used to be sci fi.

>The people that will own the robots, are the people who keep poverty wages so low now. They are automating, so they don't have to pay wages. They aren't doing this to give the money away. They are doing this so they don't have to pay taxes, health insurance, overtime or any costs like that.

Agreed.

>You're guano if you think the people that are oppressing wages now are doing this to give money away. They are doing it to become richer and oppress you more. Costs in life inflate 2-3% a year, mini wage hasn't been hiked since 2009. Meaning everyone knows they are making 21% less than they were (same job, same wage) in 2009.

Agreed. I never said they would do that. Only that it comes down to whether they decide to.

You seem to have gone out on a limb and assumed too much about me and my position.

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>Almost nobody here can comprehend work being an optional path to self improvement instead of mandatorily serving mr shekels for 50 years and then dying

>>127726609

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Read Karl Marx. You will understand why Zuckenberg is a Commiefag.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need

Space mining is also on the way, when that happens paying for shit won't be much of an issue

>>127719773
if this happens i'm moving to america and stealing somebody's SSN

>>127728888
That's because the majority of work is no longer satisfying. People aren't bakers and potters, they're zombies who shuffle around Chinese made shit.

>>127725397
The more robots you add to the equation the more human labor needed, until we have technology that can not only produce but improve upon current technology.

>>127719773
Excellent...then the government needs to start with tech guru's money, to divide into fair shares of all the cItizens. *Sarcasm*

For 320 million people to survive on let's say...30K annually, the government has to pay out over $9.5 TRILLION dollars annually, OP. The government is going to have to do away with millions and millions of people before this can happen.

>>127728907

Communism is where everybody works, not where nobody does. The government assigns you a job and you do it, or you go to the gulag.

If what you're thinking of is the fact that Marx anticipated an eventual condition of post scarcity by way of robots, he was right. Communism was just incapable of getting us there.

>>127729199
not if they only give it to the niggers and beaners like me

>>127723599
Occult cube in the center

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>>127723599
I google this bc the captions seem fake
>mfw its real

>>127728831
I'm taking your word as real. I haven't assumed anything.
You're saying that the people who are purposefully oppressing you now, will somehow WANT to give you money in the future.
It's pure hallucination. You're not making any logical gap between purposeful wages being oppressed to some utopia where everything is free.
I'm pointing out you haven't made one decent argument. Your stance is
>one day, the richest 1% will pay for my existence because.
That's it. That's all you have, the argument of a child. It all ends in a preposition.
BECAUSE

>>127725552
Not yet. Wait till Zuck be Potus. Hehe.

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>>127729199
>The government is going to have to do away with millions and millions of people before this can happen.
Yes those two are linked, but I believe you have the intent reversed.

The Davos crowd for decades has oh-so-emotionally talked of how the Earth is overpopulated, and about 6 billion people - none of the wealthy, of course - need to be eliminated.

UBI is part of that plan. So the statement that's much more congruent with history is "The government is going to have to institute UBI before it can do away with billions of people."

>>127720441
>If robots can turn raw materials into finished products, nobody has to pay for those products

And who will zuckerkike scam this time to achieve that?

Dumb idea..If everybody has money then money's value will go down. Is this a Jewish trick to crash the dollar?

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>>127729270
>>127725194
>It's all so simple
>Someone just has to build the infrastructure for me to live for free out of the goodness of their hearts with no economic motive.
>You silly dumdums just don't understand how perfect my system is

The concept of private property and the idea that a benevolent automated workforce making finished goods from magical free unowned resources are incompatible. Robocommunists get the bullet. In your perfect society the underclass would probably be sterilized or culled, but you wouldn't know about that part until the train to the robo gulag came into the station.

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>>127719773
>jew will give everyone free money

Ok

>>127728888
This.
That's part of my argument. Look at any pulsation that can survive off gibs. Tube ones I know are natives. The government provides basic income to them, because we stole their land. Most of them live a life that revolves around drugs and alcohol, to forget they have a pointless existence with no purpose.
Go look at those communities. Everything is free, and the people hate it. Their life has no reason to continue.

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>>127730838
>Is this a Jewish trick
No! When has that ever happened?

>>127731145
>the underclass would probably be sterilized or culled
Those suggesting utopian futures always believe it will be other people doing the dying.

>>127719773
kikes are gonna nig

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Universal Basic Income.
Basic. Basic.
Three concrete wall, a roof, a portion of vitamin jelly and a bottle of water.
And THAT'S IT don't complain, only good citizen have access to UBI.

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>>127723599
Oy vey!

>>127719773
Good, people should have to scrape to live in a house. For food and other things sure but basic housing should be available for people who qualify.

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>>127731145
It's not out of the goodness of their hearts you dumb motherfucker, and it doesn't have to be communist either.

The robots take care of at least the more basic jobs. You can still work in this world, you just don't have to work to survive.

For fuck's sake do you really picture all of us living in bubbles, covered in food and feces, going "fuck, how did this happen to us? :( "

You're just wrong. Wanting to stop progress because you can't comprehend the future is a sin against humanity.

Pic related to your idiotic mindset.

>>127719773

>free shekels
>more free time
>still can do more money if you start your own business

literally the definition of "good shit 2bh"

>>127737211
>still can do more money if you start your own business
>try to start own business
>ridiculous start up fees and regulations
>go to borrow money from bank
>Mr Shekelberg: Sure anon
>Do you hab anything to borrow it against?
>Realize your a poorfag
>Realize you own nothing of value
>Realize at last why you are a stupid duped useless goy
>N-no
>Sorry anon, you are too risky

>>127737585

>2017 AC
>not having BTCs ready for future investments

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>>127737051
Why

Would

Anyone

Give

You

Free

Shit

For

Existing

At

Their

Economic

Expense

Someone owns and makes the robots
Someone owns the factories
Someone owns the resources
Unless you've seised their property and the means of production how does your system work. Robocommunists get the bullet.

>>127737585

>start business
>realise there's an AI that simulates a trillion businesses per second
>it implements the most successful
>you cannot compete

>>127735113
"Not rally" kek

>>127737585
>money and regulations to start a business

Considering most business are service based and you dont want to start a fucking factory. The only thing you need is a laptop, internet and some money for the paperwork

>>127724424
Here, have this 4 dollars so you can buy my burger that costed me 4 dollars to make. Businessman of the year.

>>127737778
>Invest bitcoin into business
>Things go well
>"Anon, Mr Rosenstein here"
>We would like to buy your idea for 8 whole shekels
>"Thanks but no thanks" replies anon in roach
>WTF why am I being audited?
>WTF why am I being summoned to court?
>WTF trumped pedophilia charges?
>WTF Posting racist comments on an antisemitic site?
>But I swer she consented
>That's not my child
>What do you mean it was copyrighted?
>No I wasn't eating scraps off your dinner plate

>>127738085
They get money for it you stupid nigger.

Why does Google bother working on an AI, or making smart cars, or any of the shit they do?

You're so fixated on this concept that it's a complete act of charity.

The robots don't take all the money. We can still have the money.

PLEASE try to think here. Picture it like how we don't have to hunt for food anymore.

I bet back in the old days you would have gone "well if there's grocery stores then we won't have to grow crops or hunt for food anymore. what's the point of even living? why would somebody make these stores just out of the goodness of their hearts? someone owns the food. someone owns the buildings. this won't work out."

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Right now your income so your living standard is mostly defined by how hard you're willing to work (not really, no).
With UBI the state decides what your income is.
Why do you choose to put yourself in a position of such vulnerability?
Your income could be cut in half at a moment's notice. You're going to get abused.

>>127739180
This

UBI would be a desesperate move from the goverment, if descentralized markets and money like BTC become widespread, their monetary and fiscal policies have no effect in the population and therefore there's no control, we could literally start an alternative market without the leeches.

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PHASE ONE: universal basic income

PHASE TWO: waterwars

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>>127739180
>You're going to get abused.

>Uhh.. no thanks?
>The Government like looks out for the people and they know what they're doing so it's best to leave it to the professionals ok, sweetie?
>You sound like one of those conspiracy guys

>>127720024
In order to give every person just 10,000 a year it would cost trillions of dollars. Srs do the math

>>127739089
>It's a capitalist system where the robots give me things for free
Sure commie
>They make things for me to buy with my UBI
Prices would normalize to the poors having UBI. If everyone's on welfare, no one's on welfare. It won't be as simple as minimum wage x2 increasing prices x2 but it will lead to inflation or price fixing and the inherent destructive issues of either.

Where does the free money come from
Where do the free materials and goods come from
Answer either question

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>>127739889
>Answer either question
The government will handle all the heavy thinking. Get with the times.

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>>127719773
Oh so we're all supposed to become completely dependent on the state fuck that shit.

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>>127739768
we got enough stored to give 1million nok to every Norwegian citizen.

Thats like $110k.


I fucking love beeing Norwegian.

>>127739889
>robots make shit
>you take the shit
>eat the shit

What's so confusing to you?

>>127739728
Oh Australia, you're not the shitposting kings anymore, you're done. It's Canada now.

Anyway i don't understand your post because you missused green text. The institution in charge of distributing basic income could decide to cut your basic income because they don't like you. Do people really think, do they reeeaally think that the institution won't do that because the institution is nice ?

>hello violent criminal who just got out of prison here is baseball bat
>don't pop my kneecaps okay ?
>haha i trust you so much

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>>127719773
>universal income
a fucking leaf, what else

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>>127720024
nah never. only the bottom 99&'s money.
don't question it anon!
rewarding people, paying them for doing NOTHING is totally reasonable and logical.
it worked out great in europe!!!!!!

Zuckenberg is right.

>give equal income to everyone
>force everyone to work as long as a job is available for them
>people only study at school what they need to know to work
>the government dictates people's hobbies and food in order to make sure everyone stays physically and mentally healthy
>prevents everyone from communicating with each other for fun in order to prevent from conflicts from arising
>make everyone put masks and use voice changers in order to put a stop to discrimination
>monitor people's daily lives through cameras
>anyone who disobeys the law is executed on the spot (so no one will ever think of disobeying the law)

It might sound crazy, I know, but if we do that, ultimate peace will actually be achieved.
No conflict.
No starvation.
No discrimination.
Only peace and equality forever.

>>127740428
With what shit do the robots make the shit ?
Do they make shit with our shit ?
Who's paying me to eat shit ?
What do they pay me with ? The robot's shit ? Where does THAT shit come from ?
Did the robots make that shit too ? With my shit ?
I get paid shit to eat shit from my shit that i get paid with ?

What if you had to earn your right to an income from the government? Maybe serve in military and programs like peace Corp and various charitable/community services, for a few years and earn a lifetime income? What if you get more income for pursuing an education/career deemed useful by the government?

Are there any ideas out there for a UBI alternative that promotes hard work and ingenuity?

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>>127741528

you would like BNW world. recommending it

>>127741528
Thats horrible. I want to have fun with my friends and play soccer. Not everyone wants to be a soulless robot like the French nihlists.