If evolution is real, why hasn't this animal evolved in

>>127638783
if it survived so long, why did it need to evolve?

>>127638783
If it ain't broke don't fix it

>>127638916
Kabutops is a lot stronger.

>>127638916
REKT!

OP will be unable to recover and post again itt

not that these cuts ever post in their own threads.

>>127638783
>questioning intelligent design

almost as if you're already an atheist

>>127638783
Because it's "good enough" for its typical environment. That's all it takes to be evolutionarily successful.

Bump. Always love watching AGNOSTICS ATHIEST SCUM flounder at this question. What arrogant dumbasses

>>127638783
It evolves with every generation. Ya dumb?

>>127638783
because his environment doesn't change a lot

>>127638783
If evilution is real then how did dinosaurs evolve into birds if all dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor? Checkmate atheists.

>>127638783
An organism evolves according to the pressure it receives from it's environment. The environment can either: a) exert to much pressure and extinguish the organism, b) exert some pressure which allows the organism to evolve accordingly or c) exert little to no pressure at all so the organism doesn't have the need to evolve.

>>127639287
They believe in pseudo scientific garbage and have zero arguments to refute this.

>>127638783

It doesn't "need" to. it's perfect as it for it's evolutionary niche...


...plus it probably has a little bit, if you looked REALLY hard...

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>>127638783
Because nobody has got it to level 40 yet.

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>>127638783
Is that a fucking Kabuto?

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>>127638783
H-how does it taste?

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>religion/atheism threads

>>127639765
They did but when it was time to evolve, somebody pressed B.

>>127638783
evolution isn't like growing. Futhermore:
>American Education

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>>127638783
"Oh look, its this thread again."

>>127639693
What an embarrassing post

because it's a dick

>>127639841
Like coppery lobster.

>>127638783
They have though. These creatures are VERY similar to the ones that existed 450 million years ago because it's an effective design. This doesn't mean that slight changes and variation among the species haven't occurred.

>>127638783
He chose the Helix fossil

>>127639990
>Believing monkeys are your cousins isn't embarrassing

Really makes you think, doesn't it?

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Evolution is just a theory. It's not a law like gravity is. There are several animals that have highly advanced body features that seem to be designed by a higher power. The bombardier beetle is one such animal that seems too complex for evolution to get right.

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>>127638783
Horseshoe crab?

One of the most highly-evolved eyeballs in the entire animal kingdom.

Kind of weird for such an advanced eye design to show up so early in the Evolutionary process, huh?

Kind of weird how they say that all animals are evolving to become better, but when we compare ancient animals to their modern day counterparts, cave bears to Grizzlies, for instance, or ancient turtles to modern turtles, or ancient INSECTS such as dragonflies compared to modern dragonflies, we see quite the opposite.

Everything now is a smaller, weaker, less robust, and has a much shorter lifespan with more evidence of genetic mutation.

Like things aren't evolving, they're degenerating. Decaying. Deviating from the original source code.

Straying further from their Creator's design.

>>127640349
That's the Dome Fossil, fool.

>>127639522
>his

that's a gender binary fossilbug you Canadian dumbcunt.

>>127639632
>An organism evolves according to the pressure it receives from it's environment.

Like a steady drop in the oxygen content of the atmosphere, for instance?

>>127638783

its...

KABUTO

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>>127640521
That's a pretty cool concept. Never thought about it that way.

>>127638783
If God is real, why do we have niggers?

>>127638783

Ah.

Back before pokemon were made of lampshades

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>>127640199
>copster lobster

>>127638783
Because it didn't have to evolve to survive. Evolution is survival mutations. Like polar bears. They were brown bears, after a mutation made some white. Those ones strived and survived better and became the dominate chain in evolution for them.

>>127638916
/thread
don't fix what isn't broken

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>>127638783
>if americans came from europeans, then why are there still europeans

>>127638945
so why is the human race so broke

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>>127640816

>>127640521
because we hunt the strongest so it pays off to be mediocre

>>127640961
Jews

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>>127638783
SCIENCE!!! BELIEVE IT NOW!!!

>>127640478
>believing in a sky god who created the universe
> that same god cares about you wearing polyester

really makes you think doesn't it Cleetus?

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>>127638783
is potato, million years, still potato
is perfect, komrade

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>>127638945
>>127638916
Isn't one of the things in evolution is that nothing is perfect and constantly evolves? And it would still get beneficial mutations to pass on.

>>127641200
Maybe that crab is perfect. Get over it bigot.

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If jews are responsible for 9/11, then who's responsible for the jews?

Checkmate, Christians!

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> Believes the Earth is over 450 Million Years old.

Sorry kid, you already fell for the Science Jew.

>>127640961
>so why is the human race so broke

Amoral abstract thinking and the excercise of power ?

>>127640953
>not the argument
>immigration is the same as evolution

>>127641288
>Perfect
>Only moderately challenging to beat at chess

>>127640816
for slaves

duh

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>>127638783
>Atheists need to stop believing in fairy tales.
You are the cuck believing in thousand years old, jew written dogmas, get fucked moronic drone

>Scientists gave me my Car, my television, my internet and so on.
>Religious people give me cancer

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>>127640514
Gravity is still a theory

>>127640521
Evolution is not necessarily to make animals "better" per se or even stronger, or even more intelligent, its to maximize efficient adaptations that coincide with their environment in order to increase chances of survival.

>>127641159
>Believing in a small spec that got there from nothing while still following physics and expanded into our observable universe in a trillionth of a trillionth of a second
>Thinks Christians follow the OT

>>127638783
Because they are fucking stupid
>you see all animals evolved from fish
>well except this animal it just got smaller ok and din't change
fucking retards

>>127641159
>Believing in pseudo scientific racist bigoted garbage created by the devil to turn humanity away from God.

Really fires up that cortex.

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>>127641536

>>127641657
>Gravity is still a theory
https://youtu.be/2Ct6h7rs6XU

>>127638783
Because it is a perfect organism for it's enviroment. It does not need to evolve in the slightest. Sharks were around before dinosaurs walked the Earth because they are PERFECT KILLING MACHINES. I'm no athiest, but I have (((personally))) found Megaladon teeth the size of my hand in the river by which I live. Black and fossilized and millions of years old.

>Sage because you trolling slide faggot

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>>127638783
>why hasn't this animal evolved
it has
creationists btfo

>>127641881
you know what theory in science is right?

>>127638916
>>127638945
/thread

>>127641874
Keep your chink shit

>>127638991
You need to level it to 40. They don't get into enough fights.
Christians BTFO

>>127638783

>(((Atheists))) literally believe "WE WUZ FISH" but then we decided to go on land for some reason even though land didn't constitute even 10% of Earth's surface

>>127641200
some do some don't. If the original is still fit for the area it will survive too.
The Bowlbug is a good creature for it's enviornment and is well adapted for it. Over a few hundred thousand years some of it's offspring develop barbs that let it survive better in neighboring waters, which it starts occupying. Over time the ones with the best barbs survive and the weaker barbs perish, making their barbs better as a whole. After a while other favorable mutations appear and are selectes, and 100x more unfavorable mutations come into play and are squashed. Eventually this leads to a new species entierly, while the original bowlbugs are still fine in their home waters. This is God's most perfect tool of engineering.

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>>127641949
Is Kabutops any good on the competitive scene?

>>127641572

Just say religious people gave me lies and get it over with.

Scientists gave me knowledge and insight
Religious people gave me superstition, doubt & fear.

...funny that...

>>127641769
>Thinks Christians follow the OT
So fags aren't bad anymore? ;-)

>>127641881

Yes we can observe the phenomenon but does not mean we understand how and why, which brings us to Theory of relativty attempting to explain gravity.

Our current understanding of gravity is Theoretical. If it were not, we would be able to sail the cosmos just as we have sailed the sea's.

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>>127641985
Wasn't made by jew trickery prove that is wrong

>>127641985
It's like you want to be send to the mainland for reeducation.

>>127642045
No sharks on the land at this time, Achmed
so going on land makes you non-food for sharks

Also these Fishy bastards were able to go back in the seas when they wanted to do so

>>127638783
Because 450 million years ain't shit compared to the history of earth and he's doing just fine.

>>127642045
Land had vegetation and saftey from predators, so over time the ones who could get further onto land for longer survived until land creatures came into being.

>look at me guys Im atheist and smart
>I believe that nothing caused the universe to go from nothing to something
>what is bad about being a based bisexual pedophile trannypede again?

>>127638783
>If evolution is real, why hasn't this animal evolved in 450 Million Years? Atheists need to stop believing in fairy tales.

They have almost 360° vision, at night they hunt and at day they hide on the seabottom.

At night they have excellent vision, hunting is easy for them + evading enemies is easy to, when you have 360° visual lenghwave and infrared lenghwave eyes.

Their habitat did not change a lot.

Their food is very small, so they find something very often.

These creatures never had to change because they are perfect for their
purpose.

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>>127641962
You know you can't see cats grow wings but you can see your cup fall right?

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>>127642179
>>127642170

Chink religion, really?

>>127641983
besides that isn't what evolution is. It can't be perfect.

>>127642292
>look at me, still believe fairy tales some filthy jew told about 3000 years ago when the people literally believed the earth was the centre of the universe

>>127642342
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

>>127642097
has some potential
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9O2UiH6mMY
breakdown of it

>>127641200
That's not how it works, the primary factor of evolution is natural selecton, the process of creatures with better genes surviving and creatures with worse genes dying. Say for example if this species of crab suddenly had a change in environment that kills off crabs with weak or average strength chitin armour, the only crabs that would survive are the crabs that have stronger chitin than most. Suddenly the old type of soft-shell horseshoe crab goes extinct and you have a new breed of hard-shell horseshoe crabs. If it doesn't need to change to adapt to its environment then it probably wont change much. There is a chance that somewhere along the line a random, beneficial mutation takes place and propagates successfully through the gene pool but that chance is very slim compared to the effect natural selection has on the evolutionary process.

>>127642045
>god created Earth to be covered mostly with water
>then made pinnacle of his creation able to live only on land
How low had mighty pyramid-builders fallen.

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>>127640816

>>127639632

Never heard genome degeneration? There are a lot more to evolution than you learned in bio 110

>>127640816
Devil's part

>>127642443
and seeing gravity in motion passes all if those

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>>127642440

>>125637346

>>127638783
noone wants to eat those cunts thats why

>>127640514
Gravity is a theory, so is germs and all of chemistry.

A law is a set of rules in a theory to describe a phenomenon

>>127642453
>God creates a fucking big Universe with trillions of Planets
>Just create live on earth

>>127640521
Turns out there's no great advantage to being so large. They've evolved to deal with an environment where this is true, partly because it's now less rich in oxygen.

>>127640961
>being this simple minded
In the grand scale of all that is, the human race ain't broke at all.

>>127641962
Not him but why is it called "Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation" and not Newton's Theory of Universal gravitation"? And even laws tend to change, based on the situation.

>>127642545
there is an equation for gravity

>>127642450
This is a very good explanation. That's how evolution works. It's called "a local maxima."

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>>127640816

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>>127642668
>a rock formation vaguely shaped like a boat
>noah ark
BEHOLD THE MIGHTY ELEPHANT GOD HEATHEN!

>>127642794
that doesn't make it not a theory

Evolution doesn't contradict religion

/thread

>>127638783
why would it go extinct after having evolved species branch off it? i've never understood how OPs question is an argument against evolution.

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>>127642045

lol idiot organisms went on land because there was FOOD on land.

>REEEEEE i'm a retarded theist that thinks a big man in the sky made me who i am and controls everything around us!!!!!!!!!!

kys cunt.

>>127641200
No, evolution doesn't find the 'best' way. It just finds a way that works. That why our food and air ways are the same. We still have appendicitis and we have a ridiculous amount of useless muscles near our eyes and nose/ears.

>>127641200
You're thinking of the red queen hypothesis, while that applies to the majority of organisms some are able to avoid it.

If your habitat isn't changing you have no need to eve.

>>127642936
But it does pose quite a lot of challenges. At which point did soul emerge? How did humans got into this original sin business? Why had YHWH wait so goddam long with planet without humans if we were the reason he made it in the first place?

>>127642923
It makes it both. The law describes what is happening and how to cakculate it. The theories describes why there is gravity, where it comes from.

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>>127638783

niggaz havent found and accepted jesus christ yet man.. shit iz crazey

>>127643202
>But it does pose quite a lot of challenges. At which point did soul emerge? How did humans got into this original sin business? Why had YHWH wait so goddam long with planet without humans if we were the reason he made it in the first place?

I mean, the simple answer is "why not"

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>>127642419
It's just bantz, the chinks are animals.

We were all probably born from plants originally. Organisms designed to terra-form a habitat, then create the animals and man. We are in a different stage now, so don't see that sort of thing today. Like you only see the install screen on an OS when you first put it on your hard drive.

>>127638783
It's a coincidence that it didn't evolve, just like it's a coincidence we did.
The state of nature is chaos. Order is the construct of humanity. Considering man is the social animal... a social construct, if you will.

>>127641200
it's not perfect. It's perfect enough that most mutations will make it less fit and get bred out

>>127643202
>why wait so long
Maybe so that there was a stable biosphere for survival

>>127638916
The real question is; why does it feel compelled to survive. We won't ask those types of questions though, because they are beyond the critical thinking of 99.99999 %, of humans.

>>127638783
Where can I buy one of these?

>>127643403
Land plants came after land animals nerd

>>127638783

It has been evolving since that point. There are a number of subtle differences between ancient variant versus the modern version.

>>127643364
muh sweet azn waifu dream has just been crushed

>>127643403
>We were all probably born from plants originally.
This is what atheists believe, why are atheists so fucking dumb?

>>127643429
He's all powerful. He coulda made us able to live without oxygen if he so desired, didn't he?

>>127643496
Nigga because the answer is fucking simple.
Your genes make you wanna survive, the organisms with genes that made them not wanna survive died.

Good job you fucking nerd

>>127642253
>>127642274

There were also a fuckton of apex predators on land ; why didn't they simply evolve into asexual fish-human hybrids magically to simply solve this problem?

Holy fuck,and you people say that religious people are full of shit and your excuse is that a bunch of lying faggots found a piece of plasti- ehm bones that they somehow knew belonged to animals 50 gazillion years ago and also these bones were somehow completely intact. And also a few (((books))) written by a bunch of boring old fucks in a shed to make money off of you people who want an excuse to commit every sin known to all religions freely.

>>127643496
The ones that didn't died out pretty quickly.

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>>127643575
this could have been you my friend.

>>127643607
Bitch, you belive you were made from clay.

>>127643678
Are all Kangs this retarded or you are just an outliner?

>>127643607
Monkeys are our cousins and now plants are our cousins. What's next atheist shits? Dirt and water are our long lost cousins.

>>127641657
>https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160211

>>127642419
Can't be explained away as jew tricks you know it is the one and true way

>>127643403
Lol no, land plants came WAY after animal cells in the big picture.

You would be more accurate saying that us and plants (also fungi and algae) are descended from the same common ancestor

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>>127642794
Laws describe something as it appears. For example, mass is attracted to other mass proportional to the size of the mass and the distance between their centers. It can be verified a million times.

Theory describes process behind it. Why does this happen and how can you model it with maths so that it matches up with what you observe in the real world. So you get things like pic related. And attempts to explain the process on a quantum level as well (interaction of subatomic particles)

>>127638783
This isn't Spore™ man. It'll evolve over time if it's environment changes, not just at the whim it feels like

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>>127638783
>Atheists need to stop believing in fairy tales.

Christians need to stop fucking children.

>>127643496
>the 99.9999% speaks
Something that never existed before somehow begins its existence and miraculously, simultaneously, develops the instincts towards survival. Not to mention, it being in a most primitive state. The question remains unanswered.

>>127643496
That we will never truly know. We can guess, but it wouldn't be based off facts, since there's no way to confirm that question. It's funny where logical deduction meets its end you get to drag your unsolvable puzzle to religion, yet we are quite capable of filling in an answer if we didn't rely on our current way of deduction for every possible question.

>>127643678
This is beyond autism, this is like deprived of oxygen or some shit.

>>127640521
Wait, you actually believe this drivel your spouting? When you have access to learning and knowledge?

>>127644088
>Christians need to stop fucking children.
Atheist need to stop killing millions of people. Hitler,Stalin and Mao were all atheists.

>>127644325
>Hitler
>Atheist

Also Communism is a religion

>>127640521
Make a dragonfy as big as those flying around in carbon forrests and see it suffocate from the lack of oxygen in the air.
And what about the whales? Blue whale is the biggest animal to ever live and it just happens to live now, in this "degenerate time".

>>127643695
The initial mechanism that caused a primitive life form to want survive suggests an instinct beyond the ability of a primitive first life occurrence.

the Crab is the pinnacle of earth evolution

literally in a billion years every life form on earth will evolve into a crab like life form

Because horseshoe crabs are literal perfection

>>127644325
Stalin almost became an orthodox priest, Hitler was who the fuck knows given his opinion changing depending on whoever he talked to.

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>>127639608

>>127644172
What makes you think they would teach you real science? Real History?

Why would they give you that knowledge, when they could give you fiction instead, and keep you and your children slaves forever to them and their children?

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>>127638783
Ancient roman scalpels...

>>127644569
But that's wrong, the first live on earth was a bunch of very very basic RNA bits in a micelle. this little nigga didn't even do anything

>>127643496
The genes exist to sustain themselves. On earth they exist to replicate, and they contain information to grow the organisms which will let them do so. Any gene that isn't coded to replicate, or isn't coded to build an organism which lets it do so, will die without any offspring.

I find it interesting there might be different kinds of genes out there which have another way to sustain themselves other than refreshing by replicating every now and again

>>127641769
>it's harder to believe in a random explosion causing everything than it is to believe in a magic dude creating everything

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>>127644818
...and modern ones. If shit works you don't need to change it that much.

>>127644140

>Calling me retarted/autistic

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/08/16/a-researcher-explores-the-connection-between-atheism-and-autism/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/201205/does-autism-lead-atheism

http://www.livescience.com/20654-autism-belief-god.html

Ofcourse these researches might be biased but they make sense more than the fact that literally everything happened due to "coincidences" and that nothing mattered,nothing matters and nothing will matter.

An atheist world would be so terrifyingly horrible that it would be apocalyptic-like

>>127644325

Hitler,Stalin and Mao weren't guided by faith in Jesus.

Kidfucker clergy were.

>>127644751
Sounds a little like religion throughout the ages my friend.

You can verify any science yourself, up until the point at which we have competing theories. Then, maybe you can come up with a better one, or fill the gaps to make the picture complete?

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>>127638783

>If evolution is real, why hasn't this animal evolved in 450 Million Years?

Because the world was created in 6006 BC.

God is so desperate to get people into hell that he faked hundreds of millions of years of evolution to fool us.

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>>127643364
no no NO NO YOU HAVE TO WIPE

>>127644842
>he didn't do anything
So the unconscious liquid gave birth to our consciousness of our surroundings we have now, via senses. So at some point little nigga must have done something. Does the in-animate wish to "survive" as it is, or does it wish fo consciousness.

>>127645135
Bitch, you belive that an allmighty god made people who didn't knew good and evil out of clay and punished them for eating a magical fruit given them by a talking snake. Becouse this is what all knowing god couldn't expect from a pair of creatures which DIDN'T knew good and evil. Then those people lead to shitton of incest. And then we all are born with a sin of our ancestor eating a magical fruit that he didn't knew was bad.

>>127643607
how are you too stupid to understand evolution?

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>>127641657
>>127642714
Gravity is a law and you fucking know it.

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How the FUCK did billions of years of culling and refinement of the reproduction machine end up in me?

>>127645653
Does a virus wish to survive? The RNA is coded to keep on existing.

>>127638916
fpbp

>>127644872
>genes wish
I presume you mean some sort of coded instinct that causes life to remain alive, but why. Why does this gene, and its primitive, ancestor have a code to "survive"? A drunken, barely living microbe, develops a most complicated instinct to survive.

>>127638916
Illustrates perfectly Tolstoy's criticism of evolution. Why are we like this? We fit the conditions. Why didn't this change? The conditions didn't cause it to.
It is this way because it is this way and not that way hurr durr

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JUST CHIMICALS RANDOMLY INTERACTING IN A CHEMICAL SOUP LOL

>>127638783
>If creationism is real, why does this ugly animal exist?
Czechm8

>>127646207
>coded
nice word, fancy word, and yet its just a deflection, of answering where this code came from. Surely a code is written, before it is implemented, surely the universe had the code before this planet simmered to a semi solid state.

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>>127643364
Must have been a desperate bout of diarrhea to fly that far and be that juicy, by why do it in public and not an alley?

The Chinese - truly an inscrutable and messy people.

Can anyone with a sub Mensa IQ please leave all science related threads thanks. Don't you monkeys have poo to throw around anyway?

>>127645657
Humans accepted God's offer to have free-will,since it gave them a chance for a better place in heaven when both the mountains and skies refused,and that was how we were given our physical form,a form that allows us to do whatever we want,go wherever we want,however we ant and whenever we want. But we never knew how high of a cost that would be.

But I don't think that you would believe any of this because someone wrote a bunch of words on a bunch of paper saying otherwise

>Inb4
>Look at me I am so smart because my head is so far up my ass I refuse to believe in anything that doesn't make 1000% sense to me. I also believe that humans evolved from fish having sex with monkeys. I AM SMART

Evolution? Have you forgotten your red pills again 4pol?

Didn't we tell you that Darwin was paid off by the Kikes for his fairy book, didn't we show you all the proof already?

There is no such thing as (((Evolution))), same as there is no such thing as (((Global Warming))).

Time to dump the satanic Jew and realize that God is very real. And he will punish all these semitic fags for having the Audacity to mess with his creation.

>>127638783
Fucking Burgers. It probably has somewhat.

>>127638916
But it's been that we since the beginning ass hat. Any fossil ever is found complete. Fully evolved. Yet no fossil of anything in the middle stages when it's trying to "figure shit out in order to survive", why is that?

the life force of the cosmos (where your consciousness comes from) informs evolution and all interaction of what appears to you to be 'matter'

>>127646752
see>>127643364

>>127646279
Any form of code that didn't happen to want to carry on existing would soon disappear. Forget the ancestor, forget life even. The first part was some DNA that replicated itself. All organic matter to come has been created by increasingly complex code in this acid, interacting with the changing environment, including it's "offspring" which has taken different paths and coming together to form this massive biosystem we see on earth.

Given basically infinite time and space it's not crazy to think this acid could arise somewhere by chance. Even perhaps on another world far from here. Or in some other environment from where it seeded the universe. Or just here. Or in several places in different ways.

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>>127646898
Poster's last red pill.

>>127646898
Go back to Turkey, Ali

>>127638783
Because evolution is a meme.
Natural selection and mutations are all well and good, but assuming that given enough time it'll result in speciation, isn't.

>>127638945
>>127638916
Why didn't random mutations give any advantage over that period of time?

>>127638783
>American education
Well at least you're not young earth nigger.

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>>127646823
Fucking based greentext at the end.

>>127647593

Go back to Facejerk, Kikeberg

>>127646823
>fish having sex with monkeys
What you did there. I see it.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_darwinism.htm

Shoo shoo, Judensau

>>127640816
You bought them, jews sold them.

>>127642265
That close to 90% of the time the earth has been around retard.

>>127647703
What kind of advantage? Wings? Fucking lazer eyes? Remember, every part of a body costs energy to create and mantain. This is why we lost the tails. They wouldn't bother us but they costed energy and resources to grow. Animals are build on a shoestring energy budget. You get only what you need to reproduce. If some part doesn't make you have more kids which will have kids, it's out.

>>127648180
>math be hard

>>127642149
Fags aren't barred from heavens gates, they are bad however.

>>127642342
>tfw to dumb to be atheist

>>127646603
Then show us where in the universe it's written, apart from in this big organic soup on our planet.

Surely that would be an undertaking of science though, to look and learn and study. And would undermine traditional religion even more. There will still be a gap in knowledge for you to claim that god wrote the first code to replication or another kind of precursor to life. It wouldn't be the first time the goalposts have moved. What does god eventually become? A pseudonym for chance? Or for the universe itself?

Did "he" write the code for how the atoms interact, or subatomic things? Or is it just the nature of the universe. Remember you need evidence for the answer.

>>127648574
Matthew 5:18
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
But sure, IT is completely unnecessary. This is why christians still have this door stopper in their bibles and they read from it during sermons.

>>127644842
>using ran and basic in the same sentence

End yourself.

>>127648067
What's up with all this german muslims? Are kraut really this cucked by now?

>>127644097

It is not an instinct towards survival. Survival in incidental to genes which are programmed with behaviours that facilitate procreation and survival.

You're putting the cart before the horse if you think that genes seek "survival" - a literally made-up human word to describe not dying. There are literally an infinite number of possible behaviours, mutations, and responses to external stimuli. The ones that result in survival are the ones that get passed on (statistically).

>>127638783
>If evolution is real, why hasn't this animal evolved in 450 Million Years?
Because it is perfectly adapted to it's enviroment.

You simply can't improve perfection.

Unless the oceans change drastically in a way that they are no longer perfectly adapted to it, then it simply will not change since there is no evolutive pressure.

Learn about evolution first if you want to discuss it.

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>>127638916
But if it dies, how can it evolve?

>>127641200
>Isn't one of the things in evolution is that nothing is perfect and constantly evolves?
No, quite the opposite.

Evolution only works like that in constantly changing enviroments. In enviroments like abyssal deep sea rifts the lifeforms remained exactly the same since their enviroment pretty much did not change.

>>127648509
>believing muh earth is billions of years old according to relative age "models" if your model is shit your result is shit.

>>127648067
Go back to your (((watering hole)))

>>127638783

What makes you think that it hasn't evolved in 450M years?

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>>127638783

Earth has a Fascinating history:

1) Giant Creatures existed before Dinosaurs.

2) Dinosaurs died out due to Starvation due to getting very large.

3) Earth was a Joint Colonization by Humans.(Whites = Europe,Blacks = Africa, Asians = Asia).

Talked about it in an /x/ thread & in/around various other KB's which you can read/find here:

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>127649580
Sureeeeeee, so what where there before and how did that life form survive long enough to go through millions of years of "evolution" in order to "adapt" so it could survive?

I'll wait.

>>127646376
must look complicated when you're an idiot huh

>>127649580

Prey and Predator don't adapt to each other in an arms race, either? I'd imagine that with everything else being constant prey species and predator species would still select for any mutations that give them an edge over the other. For species that outlived their natural predators in such an environment it makes sense to me that they'd never change, but I can't really fathom animals being hunted or relying on hunting others never really changing.

>>127648402
Evolutionists have answers for everything xD

Macroevolution is a fucking hoax, only people who lack critical reflection can believe in this stuff

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>>127638916
Really peels my bananas.

>>127638916
because it's perfectly adapted to it's ecological niche

doubting evolution is flat-earth bullcrap, don't take the bible literally, you'll lose all credibility

>>127638783
>God is a lunatic that created horseshoe crabs and giant centipedes and fleas and parasites that burrow into your skin and fungus that grows inside ants that compels them to climb until it bursts from there heads and sprays spores everywhere

Isn't this the most horrifying concept? If theists are right who knows what sadistic torments the psycho who invented the bot fly and fishes that swim up your dick has waiting for those who don't worship him.

>>127638783
Every rose has it's thorn,
and nothing I changed or added
made it any better

>>127638783
>why hasn't this animal evolved in 450 Million Years?
You can't beat success.

>>127638916
people seriously need to learn logic 101, maybe boolean algebra and the likes

QUICKLY! QUICKLY!

so you don't spout stupid bullshit and think null hypothesis is an argument

>>127648402

>You get only what you need to reproduce. If some part doesn't make you have more kids which will have kids, it's out.

Does it really work that way in practice, though? Aren't there plenty of parts of the human body that are redundant/unneeded now? Or has there just not been enough time to have them disappear?

>>127638916
>>127638945
Top kek the mental gymnastics evolutionists have to go through. There is no perfect organism and climate and environments change with time.

>>127649928
>Evolutionists have answers for everything xD

because it's a complete and coherent theory backed up with evidence and observation. Why is gene theory so hard for you to grasp? ever bred dogs?

>>127638945
Why did we invent cars and planes when horses aren't broken?

>>127649811
>Sureeeeeee, so what where there before
Was that English? Either way single celled organisms.

>how did that life form survive long enough to go through millions of years of "evolution" in order to "adapt" so it could survive?

It was probably suited to its environment, any stress that came along probably forced adaptation, it evolved, continued to survive etc.

>>127650158
Lol nope. These crackpot "scientists who can never be wrong" thought the spleen was useless until 2009. Turns out its pretty fucking important.

>>127639068
>cuts

I'm on a phone booth

>>127649811
Why wait to be spoon fed when you can read things for yourself?

>>127638783
Because it's already suited to its environment. Much like alligators and crocs.

>>127650383
Right. Do me a favor. Go throw yourself in the ocean after strapping a cannonball you your leg. Let me know how the evolution process goes for you.

>>127638783
It's already pretty much as highly adapted to its environment as it can possibly be. There's no selective pressure on it to change.

>>127641874
Buddha is best

>>127650542
>I can't answer the question so I better make something up quick!

You stumped, evolutard? You are. Don't feel bad. Maybe you will evolve and be able to answer the question.

>>127650294
>it's a complete and coherent theory
No. It can't be proven with a proper experiment, except only to show minor changes in similar species, so for instance macroevolutionists can present how a cat gets bigger ears or something, but they can never show how the fuck a fish could transform into anything which isn't fish-like

Macroevolutionists can't define the term "specie" precisely enough, so that people could actually verify their theory, because to macroevolutionists a yellow flower and a yellow flower with red dots are 2 different species. They can only claim that because they have a very flexible and wide concept of a specie

>>127638916
You do know that species branch off right?

>>127649928
Mateusz, idź spać a nie po czanach siedzisz i wstyd ojczyźnie przynosisz.

>>127642450
yes good explaination. Evolution is trickier to understand than most people think. Its all about whole populations and environments rather than single animals and basic "survival of the fittest" like most people think.

>>127650466
>scientists who can never be wrong thought the spleen was useless until 2009
My fucking head hurts. Who the fuck told you this nonsense?

>>127650700
>Go throw yourself in the ocean after strapping a cannonball you your leg.

Despite you fucking up your grammar again and this being a false-equivalency seeing as humans evolved to live outside of water you fucked up your point by adding the cannonball. How the fuck is a cannonball related to nature and evolution? If we're just allowing random objects why not let me have a hypothetical scuba tank and a submarine and proceed to evolve from there?

Moot point seeing as I'd need several other people to breed with seeing as we don't reproduce asexu- fuck you're trolling me aren't you FUCKINGDAMNIT

>>127650980
ale jestem mundry, bo popieram Darwina!

http://www.teologiapolityczna.pl/michal-chaberek-op-miedzy-arystotelesem-a-darwinem-czyli-krotka-historia-ewolucjonizmu-tpct-48-/Wydrukuj

Czytaj i nie wprowadzaj w błąd więcej

>>127638783
>If evolution is real, why hasn't this animal evolved in 450 Million Years?
They did, and still do. There are small nuanced differences, but overall it is because it is very specialized and efficient and living and breeding. It fills a niche.

>>127650943
phenotype is not enough to change species. Just like how different races of humans are considered the same species.

>>127650227
>There is no perfect organism and climate and environments change with time.

It might be news to all of you stupid fuckers (I'm talking to everyone here), but the horseshoe crab isn't "frozen in time". It's remained pretty similar for a very long time, but it has, indeed, changed.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/horseshoe-crabs-arent-living-fossils-2/

I don't know why I bother, because this is clearly above any creationist's reading level and ya'll won't even manage to skim it.

>>127650900
Evolutard? How could this happen? I'll wait? You bring nothing to the table so why should I answer you when you could just read. Maybe start with reading a whole thread?

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>>127640521
>they say that all animals are evolving to become better

these are the idiots we post with

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>>127640521
okay I'll take your bait.

you say "they say all animals are evolving to become better". Yeah, who is "they", the other kids in your high school biology class who don't understand evolution?

Everything being "smaller, weaker, less robust" is somehow worse? Boy, you need to open up a textbook and start paying more attention in class instead of posting frogs on a Mongolian chess imageboard. Evolution isn't "everything gets bigger and stronger", that's not how it works.

>>127651293
Nie masz przypadkiem muzułmańskich pytek do całowania?

>>127643496
>why does it feel compelled to survive

Dumbest question anyone has ever asked.

Isn't this the morherfucker who attacks Bueno Aires in a thousand years? (wonder if anyone will get this reference)

>>127638783
Where do you think spiders came from?

>>127649000
RNA is basic based on the definition of basic.

It's fundamental and in all organisms.

>>127651321
But minor changes are shown as examples of speciations despite the fact that those are still similarly looking animals/plants

>>127646057

>oh my god!
>i'm a god!
>allahu akbar!

What's your Heeb god's name again?

Flying Spaghetti Monster?

>>127640816
To test your faith

>>127649811
Instead of writing a wall of text, I will just reccomend you read "The selfish gene" by Richard Dawkins, it explains it all quite nicely.
>>127649908
>Prey and Predator don't adapt to each other in an arms race, either?
They do if there is such a relationship, if there isn't then they don't.>>127649908
>I'd imagine that with everything else being constant prey species and predator species would still select for any mutations that give them an edge over the other. For species that outlived their natural predators in such an environment it makes sense to me that they'd never change, but I can't really fathom animals being hunted or relying on hunting others never really changing.
Abyssal enviroments have few creatures spread out in insanely vast darkness. The deeper you go the less frequent each encounter between predator and prey, this basically means that the deeper you go the more primitive the lifeforms since predator-prey relations increase exponentially as you get closer to the surface where there is more light.

Basically, the deeper you go the more primitive forms you will find, while you will find sligtly evolved species as you go closer to the surface, you can literally see the diversification happen more often the closer to the surface you go, just look at anglerfishes from different depths and you will see what im talking about.

>>127651546
From your mothers vagina.

>>127651495
It's the "survival ofthe fittest" that gets idiots confused. They think that fish went to gym until they were able to walk on land.

>>127651505
a co to ma wspólnego z muzułmanami? Darwin to był teolog protestancki, nie tylko biolog, dlatego dałem tobie ten link

>>127638783
Evolution scales with environmental change. In practically unchanging organisms, there is little change in environment. Even so, it does evolve with random mutations and other related processes.

>>127651753
Co jego wyznanie ma tutaj do rzeczy? Mowa jest o teorii jako takiej, nie o jego religinjnych preferencjach.

>>127645653
It doesn't wish to survive, you're humanizing a non human thing. It survives because it's genes make it survive

Animals with more derivative traits are found deeper in the ground. If you don't understand what that means shut the fuck up anyway

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>>127651271
Granted. Now tell me what happens when you run out of oxygen? By the way grammar and spelling are two different things.

>>127649442

It's just one member of a species billions strong, Christcuck.

Go read your jewbook and pretend it's muh godz wurdz.

>>127651174
Use Google dipshit don't bother me with something so trivial

>>127638991
that fuckin son of a bitch aint worth it.

>>127652042
>Now tell me what happens when you run out of oxygen
You go to the Osiris trial, of course.

>>127640521
bait but there is nothing in evolution that requires an animal to get "better". It depends if the mutation is beneficial for that population in its eviroment.

For example, sickle cell anemia is always one they teach you in evolution courses to explain this. Sickle cell is a debilitating genetic condition that changes the shape of your red blood cells. It affects people with African heritage. Turns out, sickle cell greatly diminishes the effect malaria has on people, which is obviously widespread in Africa. It is an evolved trait that is passed on because instead of dying from malaria relatively quickly these people live long enough to spread their sickle cell genes. It isn't beneficial to have sickle cell as we see it in human society, but in biology terms its enough to breed and therefor a successful mutation.

Why has this shitpost reached nearly 300 replies?

>>127650943
>so for instance macroevolutionists can present how a cat gets bigger ears or something, but they can never show how the fuck a fish could transform into anything which isn't fish-like

Wrong, you stupid cunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils#Fish_to_tetrapods

Just try looking for the plethora of examples of transitory fossils for once instead of regurgitating lies like an imbecile.

>Macroevolutionists can't define the term "specie" precisely enough

Yes they can, not their fault you're too ignorant to understand the lexicon.

>>127641200
The lack of mutation is a mutation in of itself.

>>127651378
Can't answer the question. Fine with me.

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>>127638783
Anyone who is a theist and really, truly looks into evolution realizes that the system itself is such an elegant and complex thing, life blossoming forth from little more than sludge to neverending complexity, that it confirms the existence of God.

The two are not mutually exclusive except to those who are too stupid to think for themselves.

>>127652042
You know that the earth didn't originally have oxygen right? It was a byproduct of the original methane breathers. The only thing special about o2 is the ozone layer

>>127638783
It doesn't evolve because nobody else wants to compete for eating fish shit.

>>127649811
The Cambrian explosion due to the massive increase in O2

>>127648402
Anything to do with shape. I mean, even neutral changes could randomly be selected.

>>127652135
Bitch, spleen is a part of a lymphatic system. Who the fuck told you that science "thought the spleen was useless"?

>>127642450
if this is how it works aren't humans completely fucking with nature?

>>127651972
Ehhh, bo teologia ma swoją ontologię. Arystotelizm i neoplatonizm to np. 2 różne ontologie. I Darwin przełożył protestancką ontologię na biologię. Możesz se to w Googlach poszukać

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Shills trying to use creationism to discredit /pol/.

>>127652570
We are but it doesn't matter, nature is shit.

>>127652464
you turkey, it wasn't considered an important organ for decades because no one knew what it did. either you're a literal underage b& who never heard that before, or you were involved in spleen studies

>>127652688
Taking the bait is fun HUE

>>127652570
Anthropocene extinction, brah

We are totally fucking with it, but the Earth will carry on

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>>127651678
It's all speculation below 50 meters imo, not being a hater but literally who and how can one spend meaningful time at depth?

Dawkins is like Nye/dg Tyson. No experiments, and relying on academic tenure in lieu of actual science.

>>127651678

Okay, yeah, that makes more sense. I never took the distance and rarity of encounters into account. Thank you.

>>127652738
Yeah just because YOU didn't know what it did doesn't mean the rest if the world didn't. Dumbfuck.

>>127652446
Fucking with overall shape doesn't seem to be a particularly neutral shape. They might been some minor tweaks over milions of years, remember that we don't have full picture. They might changed color or gained and lost spots and stuff like that. But overall build is pretty much a best thing for their enviorement, any change would be a change for the worse.

>>127652334
I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here, but this is a perfectly acceptable form of mental gymnastics any theist is welcome to perform as long as it gets them past "but why cant i turn watermelons into dogs" sorts of idiocy.

Evolution only speaks about how existing life changes. It says NOTHING of how life originally came to be.

If it makes any of you feel better that it wasn't billions of years of chance and if the chemistry of bio-genesis is too scary to contemplate, fine, whatever. You are free to believe the sky wizard made it all happen and, just to confound you, lied to his followers about the whole story instead of simply telling anyone about the fucking fossils.

>>127640521
You sound like some dumb australian creationist I saw once.

Anyway, the atmosphere had a higher oxygen content back then.

>Assumes everything has to evolve constantly

Wow theists are so smart

>>127652851
They didn't until 2009 faggot. Use google.

>>127652341
You know that humans can't live without oxygen right? Meaningless post more fag.

>>127651548
>700 TB of data in a single gram of DNA
>basic

>>127652851
post anything prior to 2000 showing the importance of the spleen, or your mother will die.

>>127653201
He can't.

>>127652658
Teologia ma chuja do tego. Coś albo działa albo nie działa. To, że Giordano Bruno wierzył w wiele słońc i światów z religijnych przyczyn nie znaczy, że gwiazdy to tylko dziury w firmamencie. Tak samo darwinizm ma chuja do tego w co wierzył darwin i po czym bolał go brzuch.

>>127638783
Evolution is not a constant. Things evolve yes but they do not continuously evolve. The whole thing about survival of the fittest as said and meant by Darwin , and not the fucked up meaning which race baiters misconstrued to pretend to have an actual point which took off then as the common accept meaning by dumb dumbs of today, Is actually more literal in the sense that that which fits best in its environment and fills niches have better chances of survival.

Which is why humans have managed to survive and rise to the top of the food chain. Since not only are humans intelligent but they are more caring of one another. Humans and its ancestors worked in groups and took care of one another. Similar to animal packs yet humans were even more caring since they took care of the sick and disabled which other animals would just let die.
So evolution aint a constant sadly. And tends to stop or slow down when there is a balance of sort that have no need for new shit to happen in creatures since they would all fill their own niches in which any changes could ultimately hinder and weakening a creature and endanger its and others ecosystem with its potential disappearance

>>127640521
>what is oxygen concentration

insects used to be fucking huge because their shitty respiratory system didn't have to work very hard.

>>127652688
Intelligent Design doesn't necessarily take the form of biblical tales.

Check Christopher Langan's theory on intelligent design. It's essentially a serious theoretical endeavour of quantum mysticism/biocentrism new age stuff, but put together by someone with one of the highest IQs of all time.

don't really understand it but it's interesting to read that someone so intelligent takes the position of intelligent design rather than shit on it like elitist athecucks

>>127652780
>It's all speculation below 50 meters imo, not being a hater but literally who and how can one spend meaningful time at depth?
What the fuck? Have you never heard of deep trekker? It is basically a submarine drone used to film deep sea areas for research while you control it from the confort of your boat.
>>127652798
>Okay, yeah, that makes more sense. I never took the distance and rarity of encounters into account. Thank you.
No problem mate.

>>127648402
>Fucking lazer eyes
in some parallel universe there are brids with lazer eyes

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>>127653176
So what's your point again, with the whole cannonball thing? Because you ain't making sense retard.

also
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/basic

Basic, forming an essential foundation or starting point; fundamental.

>>127653176
Wait are you seriously implying because some organisms can't adapt to certain things that all organisms can't?

>>127653201
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/04angier.html
>In one study that appeared in The Lancet in 1977, for example, researchers compared a group of 740 American veterans of World War II who had had their spleens removed as a result of battle injuries with a similar size sample of veterans who had suffered other war injuries but had kept their spleens. The splenectomized men, the researchers found, were twice as likely to die of cardiovascular disease as were the veterans in the control group. All of which means that despleening should be diligently guarded against, particularly among our little sports warriors, perhaps through the wearing of appropriate protective gear.
I'm not really looking to spend all night throwing shit at you but no. Spleen wasn't considered "useless". You can live without it sure but it has a function.

>>127653599
>don't really understand it but...

if you don't get it but like hearing it anyway, you're being taken for a fool. If his theory doesn't make sense, then it can be discarded as mindless rambling.

>>127653953
>one study
>1977
lel. you know you fucked up, keep those heads clean now, y'hear?

Its like you want giant crcodiles again.

>>127653953
((the FAILING Jew York TImes))

>>127654172
You wanted one before 2000. What more you want? A cookie? I don't feel like looking through old medical textbooks.

>>127652775
our country is not fucked because of anthropogenic extinction. It's fucked for other reasons

>>127653740
Do you know who Anthony Flew is? I doubt it. Anyway, let me put it this way. He is much smarter than you will ever be. He is the main reason atheism grew so much. He isn't one any longer. Want to know why? I bet you do, and if you don't, you are just as stupid as I think you are. Go find out and get back to me. Or don't, I personally don't care if you wish to partake in willful ignorance.

>>127654362
>Anthony Flew

I really don't know what he has to do with evolution, but it seems like you're just trying to avoid the question.

>>127654362
>He is the main reason atheism grew so much.
Citation needed

>>127654362
Yeah, he's a dead dude. What's with christians worshiping God and not men? ;-)