Is vegetarianism all it's cracked up to be, in terms of

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>>127554119
You live longer and it's healthier (just google it). It's also more ethical. It doesn't keep animals from going extinct though.

You honestly can't discuss it because carnicucks will get butthrut in a matter of seconds though and start sprouting made up bullshit.

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>>127554119
>Bright green raw as hell Starfruit
I was enjoying this picture until I saw that.

>>127554327
I don't know how one could give up something they've eaten basically their entire life cold turkey. People I've talked to who were vegetarian say that after a while you just grow an immunity to meat once you've stopped eating it, but that's got to take months or even years.

>>127554119
>terms of both dieting and keeping cows, chickens, fish etc. from going extinct/endangered?

You know that cows and chicken are domesticated animals right? As in, that species didn't exist before we domesticated them. Therefore them going extinct would only have a positive effect on the environment. Also fish is a very, very, very broad term. Do you know how many species of fish there are?

>>127554778
There are tons of fish yes, but they have the same basic meat/acids don't they?

>>127554751

I don't crave it at all now, I might of when I switched but I can't remember. There's stuff called quorn which works as a healthier substitute.

>>127554119
>vegetarianism [...] keeping cows, chickens, fish etc. from going extinct/endangered?

are you retarded?

>>127554851
Yes but we don't eat all of them. Actually it would be a tiny percentage. So how are they going extinct through over fishing?

>>127554327
>gets cucked by bullshit like animal rights
>calls true humans cucks

retard

>>127554327
Not true I have a close family friend in her late 50's who doctors are begging to eat meat. She's killing herself. People don't need as much meat as they eat in America (can't speak for other countries well on this matter).

>>127554517
Those apples looks sour too. I only like granny smith for pie.

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>>127554119
drink a V8

>>127554851
Inb4
Delicate ecosystem that can fall like a house of cards. Do you know how many extinction events the earth has gone through? There's a saying, life always finds a way

>>127554751
I've heard that if you go a very long time as a vegetarian/vegan, your body needs to be eased back into eating meat. I mean if you go without veggies and fruit for a long time you'll shit yourself after eating a bunch, so that argument probably stands for anything foreign to your body.

>>127555148
Fuck off shill

It's all about balance. Don't over eat.

>>127554934
I may very well be, but I would think with all of the fast food and meat shipped off and sold to supermarkets, eventually there won't be enough meat to go around for the entire world. If say 90% of the human population was vegetarian, ergo there's no high demand for meat, the population of cows and chickens would be maintained for millenia, wouldn't it?

>>127555466
hey fuck you canadian bacon cuck

>>127554119
are you retarded? if everyone was a vegan those species would go extinct

>>127555148
> drink V8

Aussie Style: drink V8, m8.

>>127555535
They're growing it in labs now. Makes me shudder, but between upping the breeding of domestic farming animals and labs, we'll be alright.

>>127555535
the only reason we maintain many animals is because we have an interest in their survival

you seem to think we're just killing off animals left and right without any thought as to their possible endangerment

>>127555148
I drink the hot spicy one all the time

>>127554119
If you live in the country, keeping chickens is common sense. They eat dirt-cheap feed and garbage and they produce a thousand eggs a piece and you can eat them afterwards.

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>>127554751
Out of experience, cold turkey is a very hard road. I went vegetarian in steps, first I dropped the cows and pigs, then chicken, and at the end I dropped fish from my plate. It took like a year I think. Now I'm like five to six years vegetarian and never felt back.

What everyone has to realise is that you don't need to be a hardliner, and mistakes can happen. I ate some crips which were flavoured with pig fat and I didn't knew.
You will be more aware of what's in your food when a mistake happened.

I highly recommend going vegetarian, as it drives people mad when you are one. Just lean back and watch how they try to trick themselves into thinking it's okay to buy meat from exploited animals.

There is nothing better than creating the feel of butthurt out of your sole existence.

>>127555676
spicy has a funny kick to it

>>127555148
also just going to add that V8 isn't vegan, it can contain meat extract to balance the flavour

>>127555720
Yeah I had a few friends who kept chickens growing up and we weren't that rural. It's economical. They keep what they need and sell the rest by putting a few signs up on the nearby roads. People pay extra for them since they're not from mega producers with hormone chickens.

>>127554751
Years, I am six years deep and I JUST stopped enjoying the smell of cooking meat. It made my mouth water before and if I got drunk I was down to eat a whole pizza myself. Wake up like ''FUCCKCKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!''.

But honestly raw vegan/fruitarian/veganism in that order is definately the biggest red pill.

>Dr.Sibi
>Dr.Gerson(Gerson institute)
>Hippocrates

Those listed above have cured disease and knew the truth. They paid the cost. I am beginning to believe Jesus(Isa) was real and he was advocating a raw food diet! The word fish in the bible was a mistranslation. The actual meaning of the word translates as ''FISHWEED'' aka sea weed. Seaweed is world renowned for it's nutritional density and healing properties.

>>127556158
Idgaf about animals. DEUcuck you should care more about your women who are being ravished by Achmed.

>>127554327
>You live longer and it's healthier

>take one group that is more health oriented
>compare it to a group of average individuals

>"clearly I can draw a conclusion about their diet from this"

If the group on non-vegetarians has individuals that soak a bag of cheetos in soda for breakfast then yeah, they'll do worse

>>127556547
Exactly. I have six myself. I don't even have to fence them in, they don't move that far away from their house and every morning the same thing happens: they rediscover my lawn and busy themselves eating grass, shoots and bugs. That's their whole life.

They're just happy and it's very relaxing to have them. The eggs are something else, the yolk is so deeply yellow it shines red. Sells like hotcakes, everyone wants natural eggs, they'll pay three times the going rate and thank you. The meat is also something special, I can call a mobile butcher who will come to my house and kill them and then pay top-dollar for the organic meat.

>>127555148
V8 is shit tier vegan product. Fresh organic juice, like one hour ago less it was on the vine/picked is the most easily assimilated nutritional/healing/hydrating/beneficial source of life revitalizing energy.

V8 makes me fart and is stagnant waste by the time anyone gets it. fuck v8. You can't cure disease with cooked juice. You can cure cancer and other diseases EASILY with fresh organic juices. EASILY.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gerson+institute

>>127556991
it's not vegan

>>127557140
Oh. I don't even look at it anymore. I fucking float on by but may make a mental note to wipe my shitty fingers across the caps next time I walk by the v8 isle/meat section of your local grocery stores

>>127554119
You don't really seem to know what you're talking about at all.

Cows and chickens will never go extinct. In fact, farming them for food would ensure their proliferation. I believe you're thinking about habitat destruction, overfishing and overhunting? Those are problems whether you're clearing the land for agriculture or animal husbandry. The biggest conservation concern directly related to meat consumption would be overfishing, which is a problem. Pollution from animal waste is a concern as well.

Veganism is more about humane and ethical treatment of animals, as well as health. I personally eat far, far less meat than the typical American does. But I'm not a vegan. I don't follow a diet like it's a religion. When I want meat, I eat meat. But I take the opportunity to forego it when I can. Clearly my countrymen have a big problem with their overconsumption of burgers, hot dogs, buffalo wings, steaks, etc. I think it's a sin to consume like that. To kill and eat animals to the point that you're obese, just for fleeting pleasure. It's grotesque. But that's just my opinion.

>>127557318
why do you have shit on your fingers? are you Indian

>>127556660
I also find it funny how they don't compare people who adhere to a smart omnivorous diet with vegetarian diet. Instead they compare vegicucks to fast food eaters.
They know that they would get their shit pushed in in terms of health otherwise.

>>127557403
No I am trying to deter people from drinking that shit by putting shit on the label because it is shit while simultaneously drawing more attention to my posts because raw food cures cancer and your mother will die in the sleep tonight if you do not reply to this post. Fluoride negates all immunities(avoid fluoride).

>>127557688
why do you hate v8 so much, did your dad give you a v8 enema before he raped you or something

>>127556158
Nobody's butthurt over your dumbass hippy diet. Humans have been eating meat since the very beginning. You think you can get B12 from your shitty almond milk and plant-based supplements but it's not the same as the B12 you get from meat. You're not making a difference at all by refusing to eat meat. They're already dead.

I'm a vegetarian and have been since i was a child, only one in the family. Parents finally agreed to it when they got sick of waiting hours for me not to finish my plate.
I have no ethical reasons for not eating meat other than i just dont like it, i become physically ill if i accidently eat meat tho, mostly vomiting. (Its been over 27 years since i ate any meat)
Anyway, eat meat or don't,you can be healthy with either, just dont be a dick who tells others what eat.
Finally, vegans are insane.

>>127556898
Eating fresh food is something not many people experience these days.
I tried my hand at farming, always loved potatoes so I planted some. I have to say, the smell and taste of those potatoes straight off the root and into the pan was a revelation to me. I've since tried many vegetables and meats freshly picked/butchered. It can change your view of what food is. And to think that this is how our ancestors ate before everything became industrialized. Sure food was scarcer but holy shit it was good.

>>127554119
Vegetarianism in youngsters results in them not taking in enough vitamins and calcium, hence their bones don't build up properly and they're more likely to suffer from bone problems such as osteoporosis when they're older, as bone tissue only builds up for the first 30 years of your life, then starts to decrease in volume. Overall eating just vegetables without meat or fish, even if you're taking supplements, is unhealthy and not a good diet to have. It's not recommended. Veganism is even worse.

>>127556898
Yes Trader Joes here has the "orange" yolks like you described. They are superior. I hope to live more rural one day and will definitely have chickens and a vegetable garden. I have no qualms with killing them myself and butchering them. I already break down turkeys and chickens at home that are de-feathered.

>>127557360
>overfishing and overhunting
I was thinking about those, actually. I couldn't for the life of me find the right word for it until now. I thought the main cause of it was the insane demand for their meat, especially in the United States.

>>127557945
It does make a difference because it causes reduced demand. Thus less supply. Sure the butchered animals are already dead. But when the meat sells less they will produce less.

>>127557902
He's a poo, ignore him.

>>127558038
Vegans are always sickly looking noodle-armed cucks which is why I never went full vegan. Clearly it is bad. But so is overconsumption of meat, I mean look at the Walmart shoppers who pig out on hot dogs and burgers. Balance and moderation... that is the key.

>>127557969
I've always heard that veganism was more a political thing than it is a diet thing. Vegetarianism is for dieting, while veganism is for tree hugging hippies?

>>127558014
True that, it's a shame really. After two weeks with organic eggs I honestly believe most people would choke on an industrial. You can almost taste the hurt and the chemicals in them.

Potatoes are another one of those superfoods, they'll grow practically everywhere and again, it's almost common sense to plant them year after year. Unfortunately the growing season is kind of short here.

The food might have been scarcer, but the nutritional value was so much higher :/

>>127556158
>trick themselves into thinking it's okay

I mean I'm not tricking myself, they're literally bred for food, they mean nothing.

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>>127557504
Smart and omnivore do not belong in the same sentence other than, "If man were starving because there were absofuckinglutely no plant based foods possibly within his ability to acquire without starving to death before acquiring them it might be smart to consider becoming omnivorous for one single meal".


After six years of being on a strictly organic vegan diet these are the most common excuses I hear from omnifats:

>Meat tastes to good
>I can't it's hard(to control myself)
>What about cheese
>I *like* meat too much(true)
>That's not healthy
>You have to eat meat or you will get sick

That's right folks. You are reading this correctly:
>Want
>I can't
>It's too hard
>Tastes good
>I like

Those are excuses given by adults not children. Adults that eat meat are easily the most child like of any diet selection in my experience. Often citing not one source other than their own weakness. It's pathetic. Spineless bullshitters and fucking excues makers who are comfortable and scared of the truth that push meat to the table. Lazy bullshiters, they eat the shit the T.V. spews too.

>>127558249
>hot dogs and burgers
To be fair, processed meat and ground beef is probably the worst possible thing you could put in your body. It's at a very different level from chicken and fish.

>>127558093
Overfishing is a really really big problem. Tons of research out there to read. We are severely depleting the ocean's supplies and catches are getting smaller and smaller. People need to cut back on fish, but it's good for you and people like it. Big issue.

Another big problem is the omega-3 oil capsule industry. Another thing to read up on. The current rates of consumption are well past sustainable.

if you wanna be a cuck..lose minerals and amino acids while having soy destroy your manhood then become a vegan fag... if you hate bacon so much and enjoy being a cuck it would be healthier to be a muslim!

>>127558283
That sounds about right. I've never heard of somebody becoming vegan because they want live off nuts and whatever else they eat. They are always moaning about animals and plants and what not.

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>>127558067
Keeping chickens is exploding globally. Pic related.

If you don't get a rooster they won't be noisy either .. except every once in a while when they have an egg they're really proud of.

>>127558341
I've seen potatoes grown in plastic trash can type things. I don't know if that would help grow them in cold times, but it's a neat idea for people with limited space.

>>127558595
Worked on a private chicken farm in kentucky for a couple years for board and food when I was basically homeless.
Was comfy af.

>>127557902
Na dude V8 is like the worst example of a healthy alternative. It's like a big smack in the face to anyone who takes health seriously. They sell pesticide(glyphosate) covered fruit and veggies squished and cooked and call it food. Kids drink that stuff and it fucks them up in the head. Developing minds or not human cells and microbes in out gut can not withstand the degenerative diseases that come after consuming the chemicals man.

Companies like V8 fought AGAINST labeling GMOs and they use buzz words like natural but there is nothing natural about those products.

>It's like fucking snake oil dude.

>>127558595
I plan to be a snow bird though, so idk if that will work out. If I had a few chickens a neighbor might not mind keeping them for 3-4 months, who knows.

>>127555673
We gonna kill those animals for "Population control" if we don't have any use of them.

>>127558447
My wife comes from a butchers family, she is now vegetarian like me but thats not my point. Her grandparents who grew up during/after WW2 seem to have never even considered that a diet without meat is possible, i guess its different for younger people but the old timers get stuck in their ways, and like it or not eating meat is a big part of our society.

>>127558711
Yes. This trick helps get an early start, but you gotta be fairly sure the weather wont flip on you and deliver frost in the middle of spring. Kills off most of our fruit trees every other year. Fucking weather isn't as stable as it used to be, sometimes the average temperature will change with almost twenty degrees over night.

>>127554119
How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe livestock will go extinct? Oh nevermind I forgot you eat the food that gets shat on by my food.

>>127556158
50%of my personality is what i eat

>>127558873
Not quite sure what a 'snow bird' is? But chickens can handle a winter easily and lay eggs while doing it, but you'll have to use hormonal feed to get full productivity. I don't do that though, but when young they still lay a couple of eggs every day during winter. Snow seems to confuse them at first and they spend more time in the house.

>>127558901
Hippocrates, Gerson, Sibi all were before my time and it's safe to say yours too! There is no excuse for negligence and you are making more excuses mister!

The facts are in so get your shit straight. You are brainwashed into a comfortable place and you are not ready to accept the facts. <---- That is really what your message here is.

Go read about those names I listed. You're not trying hard enough.

>>127558249
I agree overconsumption of meat (especially red meat) is unhealthy, but so is not eating any meat or fish at all.

>>127558249
They look thin to you because the meat most americans are eating has hormones that make meateaters retain more water in their cells and steroids to fatten the livestock up before slaughter.

Pasty skinned meat eaters who can't beat me in a pushup competition(99% of humans, I can do fifty without recovering which is 90% of what I did when I was in the military) are often obese for their age/height anyway. The saying goes.... "There is no measure of health in a sick society."

I'm omnivore but recently I've been eating vegetarian and vegan for the most part because I participate in the foodsharing program. it's delicious and sometimes I get those seemlingy vegan food items like vegan types of sausages.
and they really almost taste like the real deal. they make them from soy, peas or wheat. but it's just a weird feeling knowing that you put a thin layer of bread on your bread.

but I also had delicious black bean curry and potato curry. like 6 trays of them I got in the fridge right now and it's a great alternative because it forces to explore what fruit and veggies you could eat instead avoid it altogether.

>>127559407
Bullshit

a dirty hippie couple just had there baby die because they were "vegan" and fed the baby a vegan diet..
Travis barker was in a plane crash and couldn't recover from the surgeries then he quit his shitty vegan lifestyle on a tip from a friend and he started to recover!
Eating Vegan is stupid and potentially deadly & so is eating garbage processed or enriched foods! the main difference is people who eat meat don't walk around telling people how much they eat meat and how awesome bacon & milk is!

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Been vegan since 2015. I have 40 pounds of lentils in my flat along with 40 pounds of additive-free rice Protein. Organic as well. Eat Dahl pretty much every day and about 200 g of rice proteinshakes with sugar and cocoa solids. Recently tried cocoa liquor, very good as well. I try to buy as much bulk as possible and cook my own meals everyday. I supplement with magnesium, zinc, D-vitamin and B12. And creatine.

Most of my macros are from the above, rest is assorted vegetables like onions, garlic, carrots, soy sauce, spices. Been eating an entire garlic daily for a while now, shits cash. I get most of my vitamin-C from juice and fruits. Been drinking organic green tea for years daily, supplementing with chamomile and fresh ginger. I recently switched to Yerba Maté recently due to the caffeine and anti-oxidants, as well as vitamins and minerals. I think it may have anti-depressant properties.

Right now I'm drinking cold-brewed 5 grams of green tea along with 30 g of maté, 4 bags of chamomile and a thumb of fresh ginger. Been steeping over an hour. Next I'm gonna drink it during my shower followed by 30 minutes of sitting meditation using binaural beats. I'm also a bit high

I do about an hour of yoga daily, and olympic/bodyweight and powerlifting to a lesser extent now a days 3 tmes a week as well. Squatting 125 kg at about 85 kg bodyweight, 31.25 for dips, cleans are 92.5

I dance on the weekends (sometimes I socialize more, but mostly just dancing for hours and hours) and drink about a beer or 3 once or twice a week, sometimes more variation. I regularly take psychedelics, bout once a month and been smoking weed for 6 months everyday. Study medicine at university.

Sorting myself out with my senpai and my gf recently. Still fucking sexually frustrated but I take it as a natural side-effect from being to clean and exercising so much

Come at me me-eaters

>>127559057
then what is it I always hear about future food will be all insects baked and fried?

hey, I don't judge. I'd eat that cricket leg.

>>127559809
Only vegans can waste people's time by describing their fucking stool ingredients in detail.

Does being vegan turn you into a navel gazing scumbag? Or are scumbags the only people who go vegan?

Also. You are half asain aren't you?

No problem with eating meat, as long as its Halal

>>127560151
Both my parents are from Jutland, but people often ask me what my heritage is. Recently it was an icelandic photographer, he said I could be his cousin. But I've heard all from serbian, middle-eastern, latino. Dominant phenotype

That's a pretty negative outlook. Why don't you tell me about your life, maybe I can have a pick at you? For laughs.

Also, if I'm gonna be a doctor, I have to look at people's stool.

>>127559809
Try 35 grams of fresh bee pollen daily and eating strictly raw foods for a week and I promise you will be on the next level of life my friend.

Seven years vegan here and I am mostly raw now. Supplement with teas, kale, wheatgrass, bee pollen( i know it's not considered vegan by the uninformed).

>>127560421
Shit nigger, can you link me some info on that pollen?

Started thinking more in terms of rawness and whole foods, hence cold-brewing. I think it's a slow transition. Fucking expensive as well, but truly what I would spend my fortune on.

I think it's good to live symbiotically with animals.There are serveral takes on bees and other bugs. What's your take on keeping livestock for milk and eggs?

>>127560320
Yep, you might want to start safe browsing Charlie Brown.

If only you were as careful with your computer as your diet... When you virtue signal people's ears off irl, no one steps up and tells you to sock it, but when you pester boards, shit might happen.

>>127560421
not a vegan... but take bee pollen..try Royal jelly its great!

>>127559258
It means that when it gets cold you travel back south to your southern home. A lot of people in the US spend half the year in the north and half in the south. When I say a lot, I mean those I grew up around, maybe it's not as common as I think.

>>127558447
Fuck man. That is an actual argument

I didn't even think this thread would get serious replies, but the fact that OP said vegetarian does it I think.

>>127557945
> carniecuck
Animals are given b12 supplements as well

>>127560897
sounds like some late night cucky self help infomercial to me!

>>127560734
Is that a threat? That's alot of edges you got there.
I am sharing my positive experiences with my anonymous friends on channel4, whom I enjoy spending much time with on a daily basis as well.

I am ready to come clean and sort myself out. Were I to be implicated in some kind of situation, I will take it from there. If I really have something hide, maybe it's better it came out.

>>127560897
Convince me meat is hurting me. Hypothetically the meat doesn't have hormones and shit.

>>127561073
Why is that, do you think?
What does 'cucky' mean?

It takes someone to watch that shit, to know it I guess

>>127561162
I don't really want to convince you to do anything. I'd rather share my own positive experiences

>>127554119
Just cut sugar and trans fat. Don't drink every week. Eat more saturated fat.
There, now you're healthy as fuck.

I only eat raw meat, no fruits of veggies. Fucking veglets. Everyone knows raw meat only diet is the superior diet.

>>127558447
The argument I generally hear from vegans is that is unnecessary suffering. but there are lots of things humans do that result in unnecessary suffering.

For the sake of consistency, a vegan who believes this should also believe all contact sports (rugby, boxing, mma, football) are bad, as well as horse racing/riding of all kinds.

When you extrapolate out the conclusions of the vegan hypothesis, it's absurd in many regards.

>>127554119
>keeping cows, chickens, fish etc. from going extinct/endangered?

That's a dumb reason to be vegetarian/vegan.
Most of veg people just don't eat animals because they're just good tasting corpses.

>>127560778
No royal jelly is not even close to vegan. Pollen is collected from plants the royal jelly is not even close to vegan.
>The nurse bees have special glands that produce the jelly.... Fuck that. Royal jelly is almost as bad as drinking milk.

>>127561162
Cholesterol in your arteries, wasteful animal agriculture, pollution, suffering animals, body odor, parasites, allowable content of ONE MILLION PARTS UDDER PUSS PER GALLON IN MILK.

I mean honestly if you found your way here, you can red pill yourself. Forks over knives and the china study are a start. The names I listed my other posts and you tube searching will take you far.

You have to read yourself, I can't see these things for you.

>>127561248
sounds like some vegan salesman selling bullshit..because being vegan is bullshit unless you want to take like 30 diff vitamins a day which is impossible because some of the ones you have to take are non vegan! plant based diets are for idiots who think they are cows and want to "save" the world..yet most of them have pets..do you know what kinda shit is in pet food? and feeding your dog vegan will kill it! just like it will kill your soul! being healthy is eating everything organic as possible plants and meat...japan has the highest smoking rate in the world they also consume the most fish...they also have one of the lowest cancer rates! if the japs ate like vegans they would all have lung cancer!

>>127561359
I hope you atleast fucking exercise

>>127554327
>you live longer
Why the fuck would anyone want to longer anyway? Why would anyone want to grow up to be a miserable old man or woman that need to take helth medikation everyday for old people conditions? There is objektivly no good reason to want to live longer. You hate everything, your body feels like shit and less mobile, no one wants to be with you either, that's why old people are always lonely. Living longer is a bigger reason not to be one.

>>127561852
I supplement omega-3 with hempseed and Oenothera oil. Appeal to nature is what you're trying with the vitamin supplements, all of which can come in vegan forms btw.
I don't have a pet, so you're just cherry picking. Ad-hominem, no true scotsman

Correlation does not equal causation etc..

>>127554119
Its the exact opposite

If humans stopped eating meat: cows, chickens etc would see a massive decline in population.
These animals are so successful BECAUSE we eat them.

If eating turtle became popular, the population would increase because (to meet the new demand) humans would begin building artificial enviroments were they are safe, have enough food to grow and reproduce.

The only real problem with this is humans would selectively breed these animals, meaning there is less genetic diversity, meaning the species is more susceptible to disease.

The reason might see a decline in population because an organism is eaten is in cercomstances where it is cheaper to collect the animal from the enviroment than to farm it.

For example, overfishing is only a problem because farming them is really expensive so the only way to stay competitive is to go catch them. This is not the same with all animals

>>127561835
Cholesterol was the only thing I got from that, and I've heard different ideas about cholesterol. Imagine I couldn't give a shit less about animals. How does it benefit me? And I'm not being an asshole, I'm actually curious.

>>127562087
Good justification for heroin habit I think. Degenerate as fuck, but fuck it, who wants to grow old right!

>>127561413
The difference comes from consent. Unless you live in an ice covered region like alaska and other places like it you would be better served by a vegan diet. Even in arctic conditions people could thrive on a vegan diet through trade but I know the isolation/availability is a big part of life in those areas.

I don't ride horses and I am not even close to an average vegan. I am on /pol/ for fucks sake. There are shit tier humans in various places and under different colors but believe efficient study into nutrition will lead you to raw food and plant based diets reigning supreme on soooooooooooo many levels.

>>127554119
It's the Jew. If someone tells you that you should be changing something that your people have been doing forever, ignore it. The jew is always behind it.

Selling meat should be illegal. If you want to eat meat you have to raise it yourself.
Whether or not being a vegetarian is healthy depends on your genetics, what enzymes and digestive bacteria you have

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>>127556158
>There is nothing better than creating the feel of butthurt out of your sole existence.

>>127562280
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gerson+institute

Watch the videos and LISTEN CAREFULLY to why Ms.Gerson says what she says. She explains everything she says and she is a fucking wealth of knowledge.

Dr.Gerson was a fucking brilliant man and I know I am not answering your question exactly but I promise I PROMISE if you want your answers you will need to watch a few videos to have it sink in.

>>127562443
The movie EARTHLINGS comes to mind. If it weren't subsidized in America there would be a huge vegan population. The majority of folks in the USA live in cities and don't even have the land necessary to raise livestock.

>>127562723
It's long shit, but I'm hearing that it's about organic without hormones. So is it about no meat or is it about avoiding hormones? Also in the use (((organic))) is a bought label.

>>127562909
http://tohigherconsciousness.com/earthlings/

WARNING this movie is graphic. It is also a heavily suppressed film. I suggest you download it and share it with friends and family.

>>127563098
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=earthlings&t=ffab&iax=1&ia=images

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Ck9D45OT4

This chick is the most red pilled person in this thread lol

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>>127558447
humans naturally eat both meat and veggies.
you claim that because the average joe doesn't give a essay with at least 10 sources on why they eat meat they are child like and stupid...
every veggie cucks reply
>muh animals getting hurt
>muh too much meat is bad for you!
>muh i can get all the nuts and vitamins other ways

tldr autistic screeching

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>>127554119
>>127554327
>>127556158
>>127557969
>>127559809

DAILY REMINDER THAT VITAMIN B12 IS ONLY FOUND IN ANIMALS AND IS ESSENTIAL TO BRAIN FUNCTION. ~90% OF VEGANS AND ~45% OF VEGETARIANS ARE DEFICIENT IN IT. BEING DEFICIENT IN B12 FOR EVEN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME CAN CAUSE IRREVERSIBLE BRAIN DAMAGE.

DO NOT FALL FOR THIS LITERALLY RETARDED MEME ROOTED IN UNEXAMINED MORALS

>effects of b12 deficiency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

>Vegan and vegetarian deficiency rates
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20030618/vegetarian-diet-b12-deficiency#1

>Vegan and vegetarian deficiency rates
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23356638

>availability of b12
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/vitamin-b12-critical-nutrient-found-only-in-animal-foods/

>>127562909
If people had to raise their meat a lot more people would own land and cities wouldn't be so densely populated and we wouldnt have junkie infested shitholes full of niggers

>>127564059
How do I accumulate vast B12 gains Anon

>>127564059
>DAILY REMINDER THAT VITAMIN B12 IS ONLY FOUND IN ANIMALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Sources

Just like most people in the north are deficient in vitamin-D. Just because other people are retarded and don't watch there diet, doesn't mean that you should

I have like 3 dfferent kinds of B12. An oral spray, 2 kinds of pills.

>>127563795
You can't cure diseases by eating meat.
YOUR BODY CAN CURE CANCER, ALZHEIMERS, DIABETES, AND MORE WHEN YOUR EATING AN ORGANIC PLANT BASED DIET,


The medicine man prescribes HERBS, FRUITS, AND PLANTS not meat you meatcuck.

>>127564059
>>127564339

meat yoghurt cheese eggs and yeast extract have b12 in them

But vegetarian b12 is different to animal b12. If your genetic bloodline had a diet high in meat then you probably wont have the enzymes to digest b12, if your genetic bloodline ate mainly vegetarian food sources and not as much meat you'll be fine.

>>127564292
if you're already deficient, you can get a shot that will bring you to a normal level immediately.

otherwise,

>beef liver
>red meat
>fish
to maintain good levels

>>127564292
>>127564339
THESE ARE THE SHILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>B12 is created by microbes in the gut!

I have been vegan for six years and never had a b12 deficiency!!!

>>127564419
wait thatd only be for yeast b12 so for the others you should be fine

>>127564419
Do you have any evidence to back up

>If your genetic bloodline had a diet high in meat then you probably wont have the enzymes to digest b12, if your genetic bloodline ate mainly vegetarian food sources and not as much meat you'll be fine.

I know there are probably differences in bioavalability. Besides, fermented foods contain B12.

>>127564511
That's because you have the correct bloodline for it. Whether being a vegetarian is healthy for you or not is hereditory. We didnt all evolve to eat the same food. Those microbes exist in some people not others.

The medical industry makes a TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR off of sick people, they have SHILLS HERE!

>>127564511
Check my other posts before calling me a shilll, buddy. If you meant the other guy, I know

>>127564642
Bullshit

>>127554119

Global meat consumption needs to plateau or decline or we're all fucked.

>>127564339
>there

Think about it, different races have different IQs, psychologies, prone to different diseases, different muscle shapes, size, mass.

Why would races that ate mostly vegetarian be adapted to a high meat diet and why would races that ate mostly meat be adapted to a vegetarian diet?

>>127564642
Well nigger, the burden of proof lies on you for your weird epigenetic claims. Show me something and I will study it, I happen to study genetics right now

>>127564684
Sorry, you're right I am tired. Take the reigns buddy. I have dropped enough gems for one night.

>>127564835
Europeans used to eat mostly grains. Things change.

>>127564825
I also typed the same word twice once after other in another post. Still triggers me a little that you had to point it out

>>127564851

No worries. Sleep tight


sage

>>127564511
troll

>>127564642
stop this "bloodline" memeing or provide a source.

>>127564537
>>127564419
>>127564339
Plant b12 and bacterial b12 isn't bio-available in humans.

You must necessarily get your b12 from an animal, even if it is a supplement(where do the supplements come from, lmao?)

>>127554517
I thought star fruit was served raw

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>>127564498
thanks! I really appreciate it anon. Best of luck to you.

Victory to the light

>>127564835
>>127564835
also, since you didn't read my source, let me quote it

>What About Hindu Vegans Who Have No B12 Deficiency?

Proponents of the B12 in plant foods myth like to point out that Hindus from India do not seem to suffer from any B12 deficiency despite their diet which includes no animal foods.

However, what is conveniently left out of the discussion is that vegan Hindus that move to England quickly develop B12 deficiency symptoms with no change in diet.

Why?

This is because in India, the plant foods consumed by vegans include many insects and insect larvae due to the lack of pesticide use and and inefficient cleaning methods. In England, insects and their residues are completely removed from plant foods before they are consumed, thus removing the tiny and yet plentiful animal foods that were serving to preserve the Hindu vegans’ health in their homeland.

>>127565007
>Plant b12 and bacterial b12 isn't bio-available in humans

Can you back up this claim?

>You must necessarily get your b12 from an animal, even if it is a supplement(where do the supplements come from, lmao?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Synthesis_and_industrial_production

>>127564848
>>127565007
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep23075
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734456/

These shows that you need bacteria to produce b12 if youre a vegetable and that the bacteria in your gut vaires by race

>>127565131
Hindus are vegetarian tho, mostly. So they get B12 from animal sources

Also, you have any sources for that last shit in your post?

Still, you're moving goalposts. You can in the 21 century western world in fact get lots of foods and supplements with B12

>>127565150

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959839
>Most of the edible blue-green algae (cyanobacteria) used for human supplements predominantly contain pseudovitamin B(12), which is inactive in humans.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2000824
algae and fermented plant foods

>>127565246
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/
>5. Conclusions

A survey of naturally occurring and high Vitamin B12-containing plant-derived food sources showed that nori, which is formed into a sheet and dried, is the most suitable Vitamin B12 source for vegetarians presently available. Consumption of approximately 4 g of dried purple laver (Vitamin B12 content: 77.6 μg /100 g dry weight) supplies the RDA of 2.4 μg/day. In Japan, several sheets of nori (9 × 3 cm2; approximately 0.3 g each) are often served for breakfast. A large amount of nori can be consumed as certain forms of sushi (vinegared rice rolled in nori). In particular, hand-rolled sushi made by wrapping rice and fillings with nori is easy to prepare and facilitates the consumption of a large amount of nori.

How does this support any of your claims, it states all the varied plants, fungi and shit to get B12 from

>>127565506
>https://www.nature.com/articles/srep23075
>This study characterized the gut microbiomes of individuals from three different races. The extracted genes reflect differences among these races, such as eating habits, living environments and metabolic levels, which are also important factors that can influence the composition of the gut microbiome. We hope that the new findings presented in this study may yield new insights into studies of the gut microbiome.

Yes there are different gut bacteria in different populations, I'm with you so far

>>127565011
Raw can mean unripe, but in other languages. Maybe that's what anon was getting at.

>>127565246
the b12 analog produced by bacteria in your gut isn't bio-available

>>127555720
>>127556547
That's my goal. Get a small bit of land to keep some chickens for eggs and a couple female goats for milk. Maybe even eventually raise some pigs and/or sheep for slaughter if I have the room.

>>127565679
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734456/

>In conclusion, the MWRP will be instrumental in elucidating demographic and health behavior–related factors impacting the human gut microbiota, as well as increasing reproducibility in microbiome biomarker discovery. It represents a key step in translating microbiome discoveries into clinical applications and, ultimately, in improving patient care.

How does this backup your claim that certain populations cannot absorb certain kinds of B12. None of these 3 sources do.

>>127563701
MR.GERSON HIMSELF WORKED WITH A FAMOUS BIOCHEMIST WHO FLED CHECHLOSLAVAKIA WITH HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1CHEZCHMATEMOTHERFUCKER

>36:09-48:49 She mentions it

>>127554119
I don't care about animals, but will cutting out meat help my own life?

>>127566740
This is my question. I haven't received a decent answer.

>>127557945
why so triggered?
does that B12 make all you yanks look like fat fucktards?

Organic or die

>>127566740
From the looks of things you'll automatically become a spokesman for the eating of vegetables. I have never met a vegetarian who did not let me know they were a vegetarian within 5 minutes of meeting them.

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>>127554119

Veganism is the biggest redpill.

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Vegetarianism is a shit diet and only serves to make you feel morally superior while you continue to eat at a nutritional defecit while still gaining weight.

It blames obesity on non-issues such as meat and dairy, while the vegetarian diet is actually full of the real root cause: carbs.

If you really want a diet that is effective, you need one that has more protein and fat and WAY less carbs. That is exactly what the vegetarian diet is not.

>>127558447
Im a hunter, so don't give me your strawman bullshit you pathetic vegicuck. There's literally no reason not to include meat into a healthy diet.
You can shove your faggot propaganda up your gaping asshole. Ill bet you that average person on a balanced died will strangle any vegicuck with his bare hands.

>>127554119

As a vegan, I couldn't care less if all the animals you mentioned go extinct (which they wont by the way).

Vegetarianism is the stupidest diet ever, its more "moral" and its healthier to be a meat-eater who doesn't consume milk/eggs/honey/cheese.

Also, I find it hilarious that people are dying from animal products. It's so preventable and yet people don't care. :D

>>127572140

You're full of shit, check my other posts

smug anime girl poster

>>127554119
It's fucking pointless. Crops kill animals, eating meat is fine, without the meat industry cows would go extinct.

>>127564339
>I have like 3 dfferent kinds of B12. An oral spray, 2 kinds of pills.
You see this guys? Hes got AN ORAL SPRAY.
Just eat meat you pathetic faggot.

>>127572140

it's not so much high carb vs. low carb - both can be ok - but plant-based or not. plant-based makes you healthier, animal products make you sicker.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/plant-based-atkins-diet/

>>127572895
How much do you lift bro? How much do you weigh?

>>127554961
You never know what the chinks will eat next

They already ate a previously-unknown species of shark to extinction.

>>127572528
You're missing the forest for the trees. You're focusing so hard on getting your vitamins that you fail to see what's really causing issues for the vast majority of people. Overconsumption of carbohydrate is a way more important concern than making sure you get your B12.

Look into the biochemistry, my dude. Obesity, diabetes, etc are a direct result of eating high-carb your entire life. Vitamins matter but don't kid yourself on what's most important.

Glad to see a diet that works for you. But if you aren't LARPing, you are clearly working harder instead of smarter. There is an easier, more efficient diet that works better, and its all about cutting out the carbohydrates.

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>>127554119
Lets see, if we no longer eat these animals or their products (eggs, milk), then what use are they to us and why would anyone keep the species alive?

Veganism or vegetarianism would exterminate these species rather fast due to them no longer being of any use to us.

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>>127572895

>>127555720
You generally dont eat egg chickens after having used them for years, I forget why.

>>127573143
That's a fucking /fit/ meme. Paleo bullshit. If you really wanna do that, go ketogenic.

Sugar is the sinner really. But you CAN even go keto on a vegan diet I'm sure. Veganism isn't just about nutrition though.

Besides, animals require lots more energy and contaminate way more than the equivalence in say for example lentil.. Hempseed even

>>127572923
Tell that to the thousands of people that have cut out the carbs and lost significant amounts of weight as a result.

It's all about switching your body from running on sugar (from carbs) to running on ketones (from fat). Once you cut out the carbs and make that switch, you are far better off for it. Your body starts burning fat automatically. You aren't using as much insulin, and your blood sugar does not spike as much.

People on low-carb diers have actually shown to have improved cholesterol levels, reversed symptoms of type-2 diabetes, and significantly-improved blood sugar control.

I'm not saying you have to eat meat all the time. Have your plants all you want. But don't pat yourself on the back for eating plants while still loading up on sugar from bread, corn, and rice.

>>127554119
Lol.
>keeps them from going extinct

You haven't spent a single fucking second thinking about this have you? The only reason why they aren't extinct is because we consume them, hence there is profit in their continued survival. People who brees them are rewarded for doing so by the consumer.

The same applies for hunting. Who is going to conserve the animals if huntinf becomes illegal? Do you have any idea how expensive it is to breed any animal and keep them healthy? It's only because hunting is such a wealthy business that we still have some species around.

If you want to eat plants only that's fine, do what you want but don't use such a stupid argument for doing so, you really look like an imbecile.

>>127554119
>>127558447

Cows, chickens and pigs can't go extinct since they're being bred on a massive scale to feed us in the 1st place.
The other thing is that the body needs B12 vitamins, which is only found in meat and essential for making muscle and brain cells. Vegetarians and veganfags have to pop synthetic B12 vitamin pills to avoid nutrition deficiency.

>>127573455
I never even go on /fit/, but I am on the ketogenic diet.

You're right. Cutting out the sugar is absolutelt key. But carbohydrates are chains of sugars, when you think about it. And they all turn into sugar eventually when your body digests it.

If you take 'sugar is bad' to its logical conclusion, you cant help but see that tons of carbs are bad too. Cut down on the sugar (I do 30g carbs a day max) and I guarantee you'll be better off. Doesn't mean you have to eat meat, but it's certainly harder without it.

>>127573991
Sugar isn't bad for you. Too much sugar is bad for you, just like too much of anything else is bad for you.

>>127573719
> I am actually saving them, by being a total psychopath.

Lol, ok senpai.

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>>127573719
THIS!
I love SA <3.

>>127574288
Nice boudjies!!

>>127574288

Lovely and such a nice design for that bottom.

>>127574190
Tell me nigger, what are you going to do with a farm animal which costs to maintain, but you get nothing out of it anymore?

>>127573991
It isn't really a logical conclusion to come to. It's very black and white perspective.

>Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans.[22] Humans are able to obtain all of their energy requirement from protein and fats, though the potential for some negative health effects of extreme carbohydrate restriction remains, as the issue has not been studied extensively yet.[22] However, in the case of dietary fiber – indigestible carbohydrates which are not a source of energy – inadequate intake can lead to significant increases in mortality.[23]

So where do you get your fibre, faggot?

>>127573652
Best for health is
1. plant-based
2. whole foods

If instead of making 2 mistakes someone now only makes 1, they are going to see an improvement compared to how they did before and compared to others who still make both mistakes. Less junk food AND being plant-based would still be better.

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I found a great way to self feed me of my property, and i'm young and just starting, in 10-20 years i have an eatable forest

>permaculture
>appletrees, cherries, lots of fruits, nut trees, edible bushes, salad that is regrowing every year every time etc.
>literally almost everything in my garden is eadable, for the winter i dig up roots or safe red beet and potatoes which is some of the few things i actually plant every year.

On to that i keep chickens, and get my milk and cheese from the neighbor, meat is 1-2 times a month, get it too from a friend.

Ofc this is not a very healthy diet because of the eggs and milk products, but mostly i eat greens.

Also i do at least 2 days fasting in the week, meaning no food at all, just tea/water.

I guess this will be the future, for citiy cucks, i don't know, they will die soon either way from the coming wars.

>>127573455
I'm going back to keto again after gaining weight (injury plus degenerate drinking :(. ). Keto is top notch, but I always switch to paleo after. It allows for more fruits and veggies.

>>127573991
Keto is the way. I remember my dad once gave me some sound nutritional advice: "All I know is that your dick and your brain are basically made of fats, so those are probably the most important things"

>>127574092
Yeah, and if your diet consists mostly of carbohydrates (which all turn into sugar), that is bad for you too. Unless you're eating so little that you're starving yourself. You're taking 5 steps forward with your healthy way of life, but then take 3 steps back because you still eat tons of carbs.

>>127556615
>Isa
You have to go back.

>>127574517
Tons of non-grain foods habe fiber. Leafy greens and nuts, for example. Broccoli has tons of fiber.

All of the nutrients you get from high-carb food, are nutrients you can get from low-carb food. Well, except tons of carbs.

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>>127574669
Your dad sounds like a sterotypical american idiot, no offence

Sound advice

>>127574460
>Implying that everyone goes vegan overnight

It won't happen like that, there are too many people who don't care and wont care in the face of reason, who will still fund the animal industry. These animal farms will collapse slowly over centuries/decades.

>>127574628
Doing something similar here, I do intermittent fasting tho. No farm animals, but eatable forest and spice-garden yeah. What I can't eat I just freeze for later.

>>127574903
If I ever find out you are right, I'll consider going keto, but I haven't really seen any studies of ketogenic diets. All I know is that it increases fat metabolism

>>127575081
It won't happen at all because humans will always be omnivores and your cult will change nothing.

>>127575081
That just means the animals will go extinct slower. Same end. If they have no use, there is no reason to keep them, its a simple as that. Land will then also become used more for farming, meaning less space for animals and as someone who knows a few farmers and grew up on a farm... we aren't exactly thrilled about wild animals messing up the crops either.

Vegans need to stop pretending or stop being uninformed about the consequences of their "love for animals". I agree however that eating less meat and less sugar is healthier IF you eat bio and not contaminated GMO crops.

>>127575218
You can be vegan and make your body go into ketosis, it's harder but who cares, it's doable.

>>127574628
Livng the dream. Just need guns, waifu and kids

sage

>>127575648
But why would I, if I have no problem cutting? Quite the contrary, I struggle bulking

>>127554119
I'm pretty into fresh and organic produce, during the warmer month my cat keeps me in stock with sustainable meats.

Rats, lizards, insects, high protein and ethical.

>>127575380
You are the ones in a giant religion that spreads bad health and destroys the environment. I'll even mention the fact that you sacrifice animals for the "lolz".

>>127575827
I wasn't saying that you should do it, I am saying that you can do it. :D

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>>127556660
>soak a bag of cheetos in soda for breakfast

Note that unless you've found some beef-flavored soda, this is actually vegetarian-approved.

>muh healthy diet

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>>127576067
No I get that, I was just straight up wondering, why I should do keto for any other purpose than cutting. I'd honestly like an answer.. Mb minimizing adipose anabolism when bulking?

To clarify carnists are a breed of their own.

The TRUE cucks are the vegetarians who don't then transition to veganism.

Vegetarianism is almost the exact definition of cuck, insufficiently conservative of animal products.

Dairy is the worst form of animal exploitation. Cows are fisted to be artificially inseminated in order to lactate from pregnancy. The calves are taken away as soon as they are born and either become veal or dairy cows themselves. Spent dairy cows are slaughtered for beef as soon as they stop lactating or can no longer stand/function

>>127555148
only thing I use for bloody marys

>>127576310

No real reason to do keto if you only have trouble bulking. Carbs are a good ally in a war against your own satiety index.

>>127575994
Yeah that religion is called nature. Do it a favor and off yourself, you're too weak to participate.

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>>127576211
oy vey....cheto-titts!

Take a b12 supplement and you can eat vegan and be significantly healthier than the standard American average diet by default

>>127576712
>Requiring supplements because your diet isn't sufficient
LOL

>>127576712
Or eat balanced diet and you won't have to give any of your money to the pharma jew.

>>127576712
>Eating vegan
>Popping pills
Or you can not be an ultrafaggot and just buy fresh meats and veggies and make your own food instead of having chinese takeaway and McDonalds every night.

>>127557945

The difference is a cyanide molecule. Vegan food contains an artificial B12 made with a cyanide molecule. The only practical difference is that you need to expend slightly more energy to convert it and get rid. It's no price to pay.

>>127576712
>vegan
>ever healthy
keep lying to yourself

>>127575581

Well mentally challenged people don't have a use to us, does that mean that people will just let them die? No, because there will always be people who care for the helpless, including the animals that can go extinct. The final animals of the animal industry could be relocated to animal sanctuaries if their count is really low, but even if they have to sacrifice a big number in order to end the animal holocaust, it's worth it.
Also dogs, cats and other pets don't have a purpose, and yet people still care for them.

Also there will be more land when the animal agriculture ends, because you are not accounting for all the fields that grow food for the animals that you are eating.

Carnist need to stop pretending or stop being misinformed about the consequences of their "But, bacon tho".

>>127576907
There's no cyanide in my B12, what the fuck are you getting?

>>127576583
So you are anti-nature then? I mean, you are apart of it, shouldn't you be the one to actually off himself? I am so confused.

>>127576907
Lmao the dose makes the poison

>>Pharma Jew
It's a supplement not a prescription. You're giving your money to random small wholesalers. Not Jews. Lol

>>Eat a wellrounded diet that isn't McDonald's

Noone ever does that says that shit. And you're probably fat. Also a hidden gem is that I will never be overweight or obese in my life being vegan. Vegans are the only dietary group who have BMIs in the healthy/normal range.

America is obesogenic. Your rationales sound obesogenic to me

>>127554119
If you into extreme, it usually ends up bad. This is a general life rule, not just limited to vegetarian diet. Monoculture of soya bean isn't of benefit and this plant dominates most processed vegan food.

>>127577466
Actually I started gaining weight after going vegan. Could do it before. And you can still have health issues because of the diet. Veganism/vegetarianism is just healthier than conventional western diet, but it's not the code for god mode.

>>127577466

Fuck off, vegans can be fat too. Also, even when the world vegan goes, there will be still unhealthy normalfags that consume products that will make them obese.

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>>127558769

what are the biggest downsides of having chickens around all the time? I read a bunch of articles but not sure who to believe.

>>127554119
In general its good for you because people eat too much meat. Try cutting down meat to one serving a day.

Is it gonna save the world and your soul...of course not.

>>127577079
check your b12 supplement ingredients

make sure you have methylcobalamin, not cyanocobalamin

>>127578488
Look at how those chickens are being held and answer yourself the question if eating meat from an animal raised in these conditions can be healthy. There is stress that causes illnesses, drugs so that they grow up faster, lack of hygiene. All of that you consume. Not to mention that animal products are less efficient when it comes to production. The current system skews that through money, but from an energetic point of view, meaning reality that we live in, it has been, is and will be always less efficient to have animal products. Maybe nanotechnology will change some of it.

>>127579080
I just checked, it's methylcobalamin

>>127579701
then you're fine

cyanocobalamin is the cheap shit that's bound to cyanide

>>127562087
I'd rather be old than dead, who cares if my body is all fucked at least I can still browse the internet and smoke weed

>>127557688
avoid fluoride, that meme again, lol

>>127579989
believe fluoride is bad or not, city water is full of pharmaceuticals and such

all drinking water should be filtered, preferably by reverse osmosis or distillation

>>127579701
Choose cyanocobalamin and get cyanide poisoning or methylcobalamin and get a meth addiction. Being vegan is hard. :D

>>127579974
Being old and sick is a likely prospect if one consumes too much meat. One measure was 500g of red meat per week. You go above and risk of cancer raises drastically. It's the health that you should be concerned about. You loose that and it's over.