This will be a thread devoted to ideas about child rearing. I'll

>>127544872
Every generation believes they've solved the problem of "proper parenting." Every generation is proven wrong.

1) is okay
2) is unnecessary but fine
3) Home school is good idea, college is a bad idea. Will undo all your hard work
4) proves you're a simplistic thinker
5) I guess this is fine
6)This is the only really good thing you've come up with yet.
7) This one is okay too.

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>>127544872
You sound kind of autistic, but being a great and incorruptible man yourself will have more influence on him than anything. When I think of my father I have the image of a man who never did drugs or was a whoremonger, I don't even think he watched pornography. This makes me asteem to be like him.

>>127544872
>home schooling

Nah, unless you want him to be a weirdo with no good childhood memories. Just send him to a charter school otherwise you are depriving him of much needed peer interaction.

>>127546241
Every kid I know who was homeschooled says they had a great childhood and are generally more well-adjusted than any of the public school kids I know. Granted this is anecdotal, but then again, "peer interaction" is just as worthless as an actual practical concept.

>>127544872
Wow, I sure as fuck didn't expect responses to this thread. It was literally a slide thread. But I'll start responding.
>>127544967
Gee, I guess I should give up, or just do whatever seems expedient at the moment? When the fuck did I claim my system was perfect? I implementing this system and I expect good results, and you can indicate whether I would get these results, or I should be interested in these results at all.

>proves you're a simplistic thinker
And how that that "prove" that, as if every person who would possibly want to do that with their child is simplistic? What are the premises and what is the reasoning? How is this proven?

>7) This one is okay too.
I'm actually not really a fan of this one. As long as he's fit, I really don't want to encourage socialization with other children. It's better that it's done with adults.
>>127545831
>sound kind of autistic,
Guilty as charged.
>but being a great and incorruptible man yourself will have more influence on him than anything.
This describes my father pretty well, and I turned out terrible, or at least below my expectations, which I didn't develop really into right now. The point is, it's not enough.
>>127546241
The memories they would lack are overrated.
>Just send him to a charter school otherwise you are depriving him of much needed peer interaction.
I went to a charter school. It was just a public school with less drugs, better students, and maybe better facilities. This is a really shitty answer.

>>127547830
You should pressure kids into your faith, though I wouldn't call it "pressure". If faith is important to a person (it should be) then they should make that the focus of everything they do with their kids and they should want their kid to be extremely zealous in defending said faith against any attack, external or internal. To do otherwise either proves

1) You don't really have the faith
or
2) You're too weak to resist the temptations of the world.

I agree with your criticism of number 7, but I was in sports and that was the one thing about school I liked. Though I also had some nasty fuckers on my team who were bad influences, so I can see that way too.

Would you rather be a shitty, cruel parent or no parent at all?

>>127544872
He's going to rebel, you'll fuck him up

>>127548157
They should be "zealous" enough to be confident in their faith, at least as much as can be expected of anyone, even in this day and age, but I would not approve of them acting in an extremist and anti-social manner. At least I'm confident that the religion I would instruct him in would at most result in him in him being perhaps anti-social, or maybe join a convent or religious order, and not commit acts of terrorism or mass murder.

>You're too weak to resist the temptations of the world.
Then I would have to demand that he basically becomes part of the clergy, and I think this is excessive and unnecessary, as there is room lay people in every respectable religion.

I see that you had more reverence for religion than I thought, (unless you're just being a sophist and arguing what you think should be my principles if I wanted to raise my child religiously), while I thought you a militant antitheist. I think you can see how that mistake could have been easily made, as your comment was rather ambiguous.

>Though I also had some nasty fuckers on my team who were bad influences, so I can see that way too.
I consider all childhood friendships to be bad influences. He can make friends in college. I don't care if he's socially awkward, everything depends on whether he get to the best college and has skills can innocently, yet constructively devote his time to.

>>127548213
Is the implication that I shouldn't be a parent is this is how I could raise the child? Well, I don't think this plan of child rearing is so shitty, so I think the implied dichotomy in this instance is false.

>>127544872
Curriculum:

6th: Math representing three math courses, Latin course, (with a semester preparing English), English representing two courses, Psychology, Environmental Science,


7th: Three math courses, Latin course, AP English Literature, AP English Lang, Human Geography,,

8th: Math, Physics 1, AP Latin, SAT Preparation. United States Government, Sat ACT Preparation.

9th: Physics 2, Calculus BC, United States History, , Stats, Stan. Prep.

10th: Physics C Mech, Comparative Government, World history, Micro, Macro, Stan. Prep.

11th: Physics C Elec, Computer Science Principles, Biology, European History.,, Stan. Prep. After AP,

12th: Computer Science A, Chem,, Art History, Stan. Prep. there will be a class for interview prepping with a former Harvard interviewer with whom the students may practice and preparing college application. There will be a class teaching students how to do well in college.

Also would be taught would be chess, (and obviously not the just the rules, but drilling in tactics and strategy), I guess teaching him to pass as many of the AP language tests as possible.

>>127546515
I was homeschooled, and I have said this about my childhood. I was lying every time. I did so either to make myself feel better or to irrationally defend my parents' shitty and irresponsible choice. The vast majority of modern day parents are not fit to homeschool their children, to be quite honest.

Being homeschooled also made me socially awkward, but I'm improving because of college desu.

Of course, just because that was my experience doesn't mean that's what the majority were like, but I find it very odd that you only ever see comments like "every homeschooled kid I know turned out great," and never the opposite.

>>127545272
I dislike using "they" as a general pronoun for either gender. I actually don't have a strong preference for either gender, with a boy being easier to relate to and more ambitious and less reliant socially, but girls with this qualifications being unique and more submissive to instruction.

>>127544872
If it's in a city...yeah, it's definitely not a good idea. That style of parenting would work pretty well in a rural area, though. Very rural, I mean. A small village with no more than 300 people and plenty of land around (bonus points for varied and/or mountainous terrain) There's way more physical stuff to keep your child occupied.
You could pick up farming and shit and teach your kid that labour is rewarding (e.g. if you work a lot, you can eat a lot)
Anyway, about religion. Don't force it on the kid. Your parents might've done that, but you shouldn't. Take it with you when you go to church and make your kid interested instead. It should do this out of his own volition, not because you want it to become a devout follower. Embrace the culture of religion, but don't turn your kid into a clergyman. It should be a belief that stays in the background most of the time. If it doesn't talk about God and Jesus all the time, but it prays to God, you've done alright.
>>127547830
>socialization with adults, not children
I don't really think that this is a good idea, either. Your child MUST have at least two or three friends of its' age that it can get along with, and that you approve of. Socializing with adults is alright but you musn't really isolate it from people its' age.

>>127548886
My comment was pretty ambiguous.

I have no intention of joining the clergy, but I am absolutely attempting to resist all temptations of the world and to reject joining the world in almost any endeavor. I accept the reality that "normal" people have to pursue an income and I don't think people should be anti-social exactly, but I think that we need more lay-people to actually become members of the Body and not just passive bystanders while the Faith is assaulted on all sides.

Honestly, I don't particularly disagree with any of your methods or ideas. If you truly love your kid and are a firm, moral influence then your kid will be fine, more than fine, he or she will most likely thrive. Your system seems excessive in some areas, but I think good intentions and reality will end up guiding you to the right balance anyway, and honestly making a few mistakes helps a kid become independent and build character anyway.

Good luck, brother. Carry on!

>>127549235
The vast majority of teachers are worse. I went to private and public schooling and didn't learn shit, and saw plenty of social awkwardness from my classmates in both settings.

I've seen the horror stories online plenty of times, but I've never encountered it in real life. Though I've only known a few home-school kids, so take it with a grain of salt. Like I said, it's totally anecdotal.

>>127549412
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your last suggestion. Childhood friends are just likely to bring him down to their level. It's not like he'll be in a position to want it.

>>127549412
>It should be a belief that stays in the background most of the time. If it doesn't talk about God and Jesus all the time, but it prays to God, you've done alright.
Don't follow this advice.

>>127548886
>Childhood friendships are bad
>He'll make friends in college
Nigger what are you doing?
You said you were an autist which heavily implies no childhood friendships.

No childhood friendships and lack of proper socialization (e.g. in your case, not putting them homeschool play/field trip groups) would fuck them up... BADLY.

>>127550019
Yeah, that kinda makes sense. Especially if you don't know what the parents are like. There's the possibility of your kid turning into a rebel because of something his friends, but your kid would fare better if it has mutual "discoveries" with its' friends. It would learn how to be independent with its' friends as well.
There are more benefits than drawbacks, having two or three TRUE friends rather than having no friends at all.
>>127550191
That's how it works in Eastern Europe and we're pretty level-headed compared to the "west", anon. I don't know about America, but here, overly-religious types creep people out. They reek of mental illness and people may avoid them.

>>127550019
Additionally, when they go to the workplace, how do you expect them to behave with people? CHILDREN NEED TO PLAY WITH OTHER CHILDREN. HOLY FUCK.

>>127544872
>learn Latin and Greek
just why
>no electronic entertainment
unless you're gonna force him to not have any friends with technology you're going to fuck him up by making him the black sheep from the weird creepy strict parents that forced their kid to learn Latin, and he will go off the rails because of the deprivation.


everything else is fine as long as it's executed correctly.

>>127550622
I don't know about the electronics stuff, but yeah, it makes no sense to teach your kid Greek and Latin - one language is only used over 10000 miles away, and the other one is dead. Sure, it will know the source of many modern words, but for what reason must it learn Latin?

>>127544872
you're going to raise some repressed little sluts/faggots that go full retard the second they get an ounce of freedom

>>127549233

You'd really be preparing your child for the real world by teaching them a usable language as well. I recommend German, Chinese, or Japanese.

>>127550404
>heavily implies no childhood friendships.
I disagree. And you're wrong in this assumption.
I could reference material that would support my belief, but you would likely not be familiar with it and I wouldn't expect you to be. What would happen is that he as early as possible would learn how to relate to people in a adult manner by relating to adults. Sure, they would speak to him for years in an condescending manner, but this would be certainly closer to actual adult relationships than likely childhood friendships. Still, it would be a challenge to actually make a children's conversation interesting to an adult, but that's part of a challenge that I believe is worth meeting.
>how do you expect them to behave with people?
Again, they would socialize, but in a more profitable manner, i.e., how to relate to adults in an adult way. They would not be socially hampered at all. Maybe they would have more difficulty making lasting friendships, but I think isn't something that requires much skill, as it should come natrually.

>>127550541
I don't care what your irrelevant nothing countries do or think. One of my states could crush your country like a bug and not even notice.

>>127551032
A kid needs to be able to have some friendships of his own.

Remember that your kid isn't a vicarious tool for you to create an ideal version of what you wish your life was. He's going to be his own person with his own life.

>>127550622
>just why
Several reasons. Firstly, those were the languages learned by the men of letters of the 18th century, the sort I most admire. Secondly, I may or may not become fully literate in Latin ever, (very close, but have been sidetracked with other things, like shitposting here), but I have to take the word of the intellectual I most respect, who said, in comparison to Latin, "the most polished of the present European tongues are nothing more than barbarous." It would also degenerations. Learning Latin in particular would give him by far the longest spanning corpus of literature in the Western world written in a single language, or certainly, with much less variation as the other Western languages have gone through for the last hundred years or so.

And Latin he would go to Spanish, than French, than Italian, etc, depending on the difficulty he encounters and whether material can be found to justify the effort.

>>127544872
>This will be a thread devoted to ideas about child rearing. I'll give my model as concisely as I can.

>I also don't have children and have no idea what I'm talking about.
Good luck frienderino

>>127551250
I disagree, for reasons I mentioned.

I read the second, third, and fourth paragraph beginning on the second page. How Karl was raised, incidentally, if it isn't the ideal manner, is very close to it.

https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=9UxMAAAAIAAJ&pg=GBS.PA184

>Remember that your kid isn't a vicarious tool for you to create an ideal version of what you wish your life was. He's going to be his own person with his own life.
I've considered that criticism. Firstly, I think children would be much better off if parents were much more focused on fixing the mistakes in how they were raised. Secondly, I think this is for my interest, and I think my motive is better than just having children for extra hands to work them to death.

>>127544872
Father of two here. My youngest is nine.

My kids have been pretty redpilled from an early age from the occasional piece of trash TV like Maury. It didn't take them long to notice that there were a lot of people who were troublesome who were black.

They have supervised electronic usage. They read lots of books, including non-fiction. I have them use learning apps for about half an hour before they can use Youtube and so on.

They learn another language.

I would homeschool, but I'm doing supplementary schooling where they learn at home as well. Sending them to public school so far has made them learn, quickly, that not everyone is good. They have goals they want to do, and they know that learning is the only way to get to them. Their grades are always excellent, because we taught them to enjoy learning, how to break down their work, and how to study and revise effectively.

We also make sure to give them some (perceived) freedom. We taught them to manage money. Chores, too, are important.

We go to Church somewhat regularly, spend a lot of time with family, and have done courses together.

We never spoke to the children like babies. We gave them responsibilities from an early age.

Any more advice from fathers would be appreciated.

>>127544872
Also, requesting good parenting books, educational materials, and so on.

I forgot to add, I'm going to get my eldest to start reading Screwtape letters soon. In a year or two, maybe Mere Christianity.

Raising a well-mannered, responsible child in the (((suburbs))) is like trying to save a sinking ship with a tea cup. You need to remove your child completely from all the degenerate influences of city life. Take the final red pill and buy a house in the country. Establish good relationships with your neighbors. No video games, no TV, no internet. Strictly wholesome activities. Don't allow your child into the city until he turns 16.

>>127552221

>current year
>sending your children to (((((((public school))))))))

Anyone who does this should be immediately hanged for being a child abuser.

>>127550979

>you're going to raise some repressed little sluts/faggots that go full retard the second they get an ounce of freedom

There is no empirical evidence for this meme whatsoever

>>127549096
you should read some kafka's stories. he is a perfect example of what a child raised by your standards would becone. a being without sense, life, meaning, pressured by everything, with nihilistic attitude toward everything just because "it's not ideal as someone else planned it to be for me" (father figure in this example). you could really fuck up your child if applying all the points you've made and sticking strictly to them. just read metamorphosys if you want a beletristic approach to this problem, or if you want the raw matterial you should just read letter to father by kafka, or sonethibg along those lines.

>>127544872
I would make sure my child doesn't follow gender norms and start xir on hormone replacement therapy as soon as they turn seven so xhe can turn into the girl xhe always wanted.

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>1. No TV/video games/internet browsing. Maybe some video games, but not beyond a certain age, as they become atrophying.
Congratulations. You've raised a social and technological invalid. The other kids will be talking about what was on TV last Friday while he tries to interest anyone at all with the table he built with papa.
That's not to denigrate doing things with your son, that's saying that your priority is making your son's relationship with the world a positive one that he can benefit from. He'll need friends his own age.
>2. Forced to learn Latin and perhaps Greek. Possibly Spanish, but hopefully in won't be necessary in the future.
Now this is where I really question how much thought you've put into this. If your motive is teaching him/her a second language to broaden his/her horizons, you would have chosen a living language. If your motive is connecting him to the nebulous "Euro identity", German or French would be more useful.
Are you thinking about what's best for your kid here, or is this just something that you feel you and your son ought to do to meet someone else's standards?
>3. Home schooled. The purpose will for him to get as many 5 as possible in almost all the AP tests and get the highest scores he can in the ACT and SAT tests. Maybe a few classes on how to do well in college. The goal is to get him into HYPSM. Even though only graduate school really matters and HYPS are nothing but kike indoctrination centers with prestige, this prestige still matters and will help him in the future.
Even private school is enough of an isolation to keep him from gaining any connections among his peers. Home schooling? It's a fucking joke, especially if you're not that great of a teacher.

>>127553172
>turn into a girl
What if she's female and she wants to become a boi?

>>127553224
>4. If the parent is religious, by to encourage the children to be so without pressuring him too much or making him a zealot.
Why bother? You've already decided that your child will go to college asap, operate at max productivity, and learn dead languages that seem profound to you. Why not go ahead and assure him he'll get some big fucking reward for wasting his life chasing daddy's expectations?
>5. He will be permitted to have friends, but only those who won't have a negative influence on him.
This is something that a lot of Americans fuck up. It's easy enough to say that when they're 7 or 8, and there's some little klepto in their class who keeps trying to involve them in their shenanigans. It's another matter when they're 16 and able to leave the house on their own.
You can't protect your child from the garden snakes forever, and you're only sabotaging them by trying to. What you can do is make them strong enough and wise enough to see a snake and deal with it.
>6. He will learn an instrument, preferably the piano.
Speaking Latin won't make him look stuffy enough?
>7. He will join a sports team, which will help him to make friends in absence of attending a school.
It's a sorry substitute at best. At worst, he'll resent you for forcing him to participate in some competition he had no love for.

>>127553149
Oh. This seems interesting. Any story in particular?

Still, it worked very well for Karl Witte, and I don't see why it it wouldn't work for my child.

>>127553237
Xhe'll stay a female, then: the superior gender.

>>127552989
Unfortunately I have neither the time nor resources to do otherwise.

>>127544872
>white parent
>brown kid

What did they mean by this?

>>127551426
> le latin is important meme
If you want to raise a faggot, making him learn words by heart is indeed the way to go.

>>127553347
She's just tanned?
Kids used to spend more time outdoors. More than their parents, even.

>>127553102
there cant be empirical evidence to anythibg human related in the educational / psychological branch of things. every hunan is different (read diiferent NOT special).

>>127544872
Oh boy, americans are truly dumb. Kid would rebel in no time.

>>127553224
>You've raised a social and technological invalid.
Marginally valid point. I don't think it would be that difficult to teach essential skills using these platforms.
>The other kids will be talking about what was on TV last Friday while he tries to interest anyone at all with the table he built with papa.
I don't really care about woodwork, but I guess the principle is the same, though it's not like he would be aware of this conversation or knew these kids existed.
>If your motive is teaching him/her a second language to broaden his/her horizons, you would have chosen a living language.
His horizons will broadened into the learning the history of Western thought, which is hampered by not know the most Latin, and I suppose Greek, but this might not be worth the effort.
> If your motive is connecting him to the nebulous "Euro identity", German or French would be more useful.
Developing a love a letters in him is more important to me than having him become urbane.
>Are you thinking about what's best for your kid here
I really think so. Some part is vicarious, and I would allow more freedom to him if somehow, I didn't think it was necessary for him to attend a top school, but everything I mentioned would be in his interest.
>or is this just something that you feel you and your son ought to do to meet someone else's standards?
Yes and no. Yes in the sense that meeting these standards is somewhat admirable in itself, but no because it's not because they are others' standards, but because they happen to the the surest path to success.
> Home schooling? It's a fucking joke, especially if you're not that great of a teacher.
This is the more difficult aspect, but I'm sure following the commentaries and methods written on the matter, I can make myself qualified enough.

No matter how much you alter the extraneous, so long as you cover the basics (needs met, affection given) and don't abuse or neglect them, they will be who they will be.

All this planning is just extra fluff that might give slightly more disciple, but in the end our personalities are pretty much set by nature.

>>127544872
I have nieces and nephews and the best method to raise kids in my opinion is contrary to how kids are raised now. I believe kids should listen and obey unquestionably to their caretakers. I don't agree in negotiating with kids or trying to be their friends. Your job is to raise them right.

My bother in law actually told me to stop scolding his daughter. At first I was shocked since I mainly do it because I feel they don't scold her enough. It's much easier on me now. Instead of scolding her I just send her to her parents. She loves me more than ever now since I don't scold her. Overall it's their loss, everyone praises me on how good I am with kids.

>>127553279
if you put your child in a situation of "you must succed my son in everything" since infancy, and work towards it meticulously, the child will feel the pressure rising as the years pass. it will becone un earable for him at the age of 20 or so if his only succeses will be speaking in latin, playing piano and studying relatively well. you cant make out of any child a leader. some traits are tight genetically to us, thats why twins even tho raised in similar conditions have different teneraments, thinking, behavior. what if your child wont be able to grasp a position of succes until even 30 years? he will be internally devastated, even so more if he'll be a thinking person, since smart people are more nihilistic/realistic. no particular stories, just read at least an analysis of kafka's works i mentioned before.

>>127554055
Tell me, when couples had children basically for free labor, how were they motivated for something far more difficult and grueling than what I mentioned? Were they also destroyed, or are these tasks of a different nature, easier, yet more liable to result in damaging psychological complexes.

I can understand wanting to raise a child the right way but doesn't all this seem kind of extreme and counter intuitive? Obviously there's something you're trying to shield your child from if you go through all this trouble, but in the end aren't you just crippling their ability to deal with whatever you're trying to shield them from, be it indoctrination or religious based or whatever?

Like if you're trying to shield your child from liberal bullshit and are somewhat successful then throw them into the real world they're going to get blindsided by sjw bullshit and degeneracy and have no clue how to handle it.

>>127554378
>but in the end aren't you just crippling their ability to deal with whatever you're trying to shield them from, be it indoctrination or religious based or whatever?
They shouldn't deal with it for the most part because it is empty, saddening, and unworthy of their time, distracting them from more the more fulfilling and constructive parts of life.

>Like if you're trying to shield your child from liberal bullshit and are somewhat successful then throw them into the real world they're going to get blindsided by sjw bullshit and degeneracy and have no clue how to handle it.
I'll consider this, but I think, with the proper perspective, the inequity and vulgarity would be apparent on a superficial level. Also, "Stare not into the abyss, etc."

>>127544872
1. I wholeheartedly support this stance, more people should think like this. Stop feeding your kids garbage and cultivate them instead.
2. Stupid BS, waste of time. Instead, teach them a live, relevant secondary language - Chinese, German, French, whatever.
3. Very good move and goal, as long as their quality of education doesn't suffer from being homeschooled instead of public-schooled (am not from US, so I don't know much about the matter).
4. Meh, religion in and of itself is unimportant IMO, values are what matters. A secular, scientifically literate person with well-placed values > a religious, bible-thumping fag.
5. Sounds good.
6. THIS! So much this - you have no idea how beneficial it is for a child's cognition and development to practice a musical instrument! The younger the better. Look up research done on the matter, it's crazy what a difference it makes.
7. This is great advice, I don't even need to go into the necessity of physical exercise as well as the social opportunity it provides - it's all common sense.

>>127553778
> I don't think it would be that difficult to teach essential skills using these platforms.
Maybe, but his ability to troubleshoot problems he's having with them would take time to develop. You have no idea how many people still need help with even basic AV stuff.
We're in a curious place in time right now where we have a bunch of old men and women running around with $500 devices that they can barely use at all.
>His horizons will broadened into the learning the history of Western thought, which is hampered by not know the most Latin, and I suppose Greek, but this might not be worth the effort.
The writers most relevant to modern western thought didn't write in either. Voltaire, Nietzsche, Shakespeare. Even your most pathetic high school system will at least have kids reading Hamlet.
>Developing a love a letters in him is more important to me than having him become urbane.
You want to develop whatever love you see in the kid. If he's oddly transfixed with numbers, you want to hustle him down in that direction, or if he draws a lot you'll want to visit /ic/ for books that'll help nurture that.
>Yes and no. Yes in the sense that meeting these standards is somewhat admirable in itself, but no because it's not because they are others' standards, but because they happen to the the surest path to success.
As long as he's either in school or has a job at 18, this is not something you wish to agonize over, unless status is important to you.
Let's say your kid turns out with average IQ. He's not terribly dim, but he probably won't want any college whatsoever. What he "does" have is a stable job, an able body, a car, and a high school sweetheart who wants to marry him and give him a bunch of kids. I'd rather see my son end up with that life than, say, a phd who makes 6 figures but still lives with mother.

>>127555368
>Instead, teach them a live, relevant secondary language
Unless you live in Miami or LA, (or maybe some other towns I'm not familiar with), no language is that relevant in the US. If his first language was anything but English, becoming proficient in English would be a top priority, but that isn't the case.
>doesn't suffer from being homeschooled instead of public-schooled
Unless I'm a really shitty teacher and more is to it and I think, this isn't a possibility. And certainly, it's not like public school would be the only other resort, and if it is, I would have to seriously reevaluate my life.

>>127544872
1. Because you withhold them they will become addictive. Negative impact on bonding with other children.
2. Languages of the future: Russian, English, Spanish, Arab
3. Needs proper incentives.
4. Can easily backfire. Child absorbs ideas from the people in your church. Most of the time those are not the brightest...
5. Your child will hate you. Your influence will diminish over time.
6. Mastering an instrument has to be encouraged not forced. Music is not a chore.
7. This is good practice. In put him into various sports teams. A good physique and a healthy social status will solve most of the problems he encounters in his life.

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>ctrl+f "lift"
>"weight"
>"training"
>no results

I hope you are going to revise your plans because at the moment you all sound like humungous fucking faggots and so will your kids if you don't start them lifting at a prime age. Pic related, you.

>>127555744
>We're in a curious place in time right now where we have a bunch of old men and women running around with $500 devices that they can barely use at all.
Again, this wouldn't be that much of a loss for him unless using a phone more often would actually make his life better.
>Voltaire, Nietzsche, Shakespeare.
Frog, Kraut, Limey Cunt, with the former two I think being more of a negative and positive influence.

In all seriousness, this limits him to the period in which writing in vulgar tongue was popular, which limits him to about 500 years, while far more is available if Latin and perhaps Greek is learned.

I think it's important that another language is learned strictly for literature. That could easily be German and French, but from various factors, I think Latin in this respect purely would be better. Latin and Greek was what Voltaire and Nietzsche, with a much smaller emphasis on "vulgar tongues."

>If he's oddly transfixed with numbers, you want to hustle him down in that direction, or if he draws a lot you'll want to visit /ic/ for books that'll help nurture that.
Maybe. There are several reasons I focused on hobbies. For one, they are ones I'm quite fond of and wish I had cultivated more, so I can't deny the vicarious element. Furthermore, they can be enjoyed and are probably mostly enjoyed and ends in themselves, less so programming and mathematics. Thirdly, (and to recap, the hobbies I would have learned would be piano playing, reading, and chess), can have perpetual dedication without ever being completely mastered, meaning the child will always have a constructive, and challenging use of his time. Focusing on all three, or even one of these activities with appropriate progress corresponding to the amount of time spent. Other activities are possible, I would consider some impractical, (horseback riding), deleterious, (gambling), or an immense waste of time, (shitposting on 4chan).

>>127544872
you're retarded. homeschooling him to make him get 5s and 36s or 2400s alone isn't going to get him into any ivy league. He'll be lucky if he gets into somewhere like Berkeley or USC. Don't waste time making him learn to play an instrument unless he wants to become a musician. You say you're against kike indoc centers? don't indoctrinate him with the shitty music meme. Also he won't be able to play in any sports team past the age of 14 because everyone will be playing in their high school teams. Unless he's really good and plays at the club level. And that's only in certain sports. Also homeschoolers experience extreme social awkwardness when they enter the real world

>>127555744
>As long as he's either in school or has a job at 18
I'm leaving nothing to chance, (speaking from my personal experience), and I think the best way to make a happy, successful adult is to cultivate these hobbies, and go to the best universities. I have to admit there would be some pride at my accomplishment and getting him there would be a little pleasing. I also am curious as the prospect of raising children and think a successful and independent adult would a confirmation of the success of my plan and efforts, meaning my motives are no worse than those of László Polgár, and hopefully, I would have the same success.

>>127546515
>admits evidence is anecdotal
>peer interaction is useless, it's a fact

>>127556888
I question the benefits of weight lifting. I don't think the activity is pernicious in itself, but I generally dislike those who make a dedicated hobby out of it. Still, I mentioned that I think he should be in a sport.

>>127557454
hello bot thread
nice image of white mother holding mullato childs hand
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>>127557526
You dislike certain people that are too gung ho, I'm willing to bet. You talk about discipline and what better way to instill that than with strength training, supplementary to everything else in your grand plan?

>>127556393
>addictive
I am not so concerned about this if they addicted to challenging and enriching activities.
>English
Well, he'll know that.
>3. Needs proper incentives.
I'll find out how parents use to make children engage in toilsome hard labor, which happens even today among the Amish.
>4
I appreciate the concern, but I don't think it's likely for various reasons, which I won't go into.
>5. Your child will hate you. Your influence will diminish over time.
Again, how did families manage when contact with other children was impossible, like in frontier times?
>6. Mastering an instrument has to be encouraged not forced.
I still think there are ways to force learning. How to the Chinese do it?

>>127557625
Why are you saying this a bot thread? Because you said it before? No, that was me, and I did because I was literally sliding a thread, which I did to get the last word. Yes, I am that fucking petty, and hopefully, my child will grow up meant for better things.

>>127557798
>Chinese
Do you want your son to become a wholesome human being, or do you want him to become emotionally-stunted?

>>127557701
Now that I think about it, it might be beneficial, as vanity in regards to how others might think of him would be less important.

Still, since I personally don't place much importance on the activity, it would be difficult to motivate him for this. Also, unlike the other hobbies I mentioned, the end result of lifting is having a sculpted body, greater strength, and maybe better health, which is eventually achieved only to be maintained. It doesn't have the continuous growth and intellectual demands that the other hobbies that I mentioned have.

>>127558131
It does, if you want to be the best. You wouldn't know though, since all that burgers lift are protest signs.

>>127549233
why the fuck do you want him to learn latin? It's a dead and useless language. It's no longer necessary for the SAT. Also, latin is for fags. I had a couple of friends take latin when we were in high school, and they said it was entirely populated with SJW girls and beta autist guys.

Take a diagnostic test for both the SAT and ACT. Compare scores and ask him what he feels more comfortable in taking. Don't take the retard route and waste time prepping for two tests when only one score will be submitted to schools. Choose one test and focus on that.

Overall your schedule is stupid. You think that putting a bunch of ap courses into your kid's 6th and 7th grade years will get him into an ivy league. It won't. Colleges want students that are good at on particular subject. Find his passion and what he wants to study. Focus on that. Does he like math? Focus on math. Have him study up on the AMC with the ultimate goal of having him get to the national study camp in 10th or 11th grade. Does he like chemistry? Focus on chemistry. Have him study up the national chemistry olympiad test (or whatever the fuck it's called) with the goal of having him make it to the national study camp in 10th or 11th grade. Either of these things will probably get him into at least a couple Ivies.

I got into several ivies by focusing on chemistry primarily (nuclear engineering major). I got like three or four b's in high school and a 4 on an ap test i think (and these were math/science subjects). However, I excelled in chemistry and calculus. Colleges could care less how I did in physics, because I wasn't majoring in physics. They cared mainly about how I fared in the subject I was planning on studying

Don't take Art History. It's a waste of time. Who the fuck wants to take a class to memorize thousands or hundreds or years of FUCKING ART history to take an ap that has no weight whatsoever unless you're an art major? Physics C Mech and Elec can be taken in one year.

>>127557953
This is a good point. It's just that the Chinese method seems very simple, and while other methods exist, they require much more thought than corporal punishment and guilt-inducement.

I will put a great deal of thought into this. Thank for raising this issue. Perhaps I could teach the piano the same way reading was taught to Karl Witte: by playing the piano and inviting the child to do it.

>>127544872
1. just moderate their video game playtimes, don't let your child to be left out when everyone's talking about the new title
2. why the fuck would you teach them latin when it's not even used anymore. spanish is the best option
3. this is fine as long as you think you're a good teacher
4. good values my friend
5. not sure how you will administer this in later ages but this is fine i guess
6. playing an instrument can be pretty fun, you should let your child try out different ones so they can find the one they like the most
7. sports are cool

>>127550019
Having friends that are "less intelligent than you" don't make you stupider. I have friends who aren't as """""academically gifted""""" as me, but I am not any dumber. Sure, maybe I acted more immature with them when I was younger, but they didn't dumb me down.

>>127551032
adult friendships != college friendships my friend
Know people who went to school with and have seen studies on kids who were homeschooled and had their parents put their nose to the grinder academically in the hopes that more education would make them "more mature". They believed that would place them on a sort of adult level, making up for the loss of childhood friendships. They were wrong. These kids ended up being severely socially retarded

>>127558296
>if you want to be the best
I'm not interested in fostering what I think would be a superficial obsession worth much less than a real intellectual obtainment.

It also doesn't seem like a real gender-neutral hobby, as women, in my opinion and I think in the general opinion, only should buff up to a certain extent before it becomes less attractive.

>>127544872
wait lmao do you even have a kid. are you even married? do you even have a girlfriend

>>127558782
The natural limit is fine for women. They're hnnnnnng.

Teacher here, whatever you do, you have to raise your children away from the city. ALL city kids are stressed, unhappy, afraid to go outside. I recently moved to a small town, and the children are calm, focused, high-achieving and far more mature than their city counterparts.

>>127552221
>We never spoke to the children like babies
/Thread

>>127558318
>why the fuck do you want him to learn latin?
I explained that here:>>127551426, and >>127553778.
>Overall your schedule is stupid. You think that putting a bunch of ap courses into your kid's 6th and 7th grade years will get him into an ivy league. It won't.
I appreciate the warning, but I disagree, after looking at what kind of applications are accepted and often seeing far less qualified applicants than what I'm describing, and no, not from the son of politicians or power peddlers.

>Physics C Mech and Elec can be taken in one year.
Simultaneously? I put a lot of thought into evenly splitting all the subjects according to their general categories so after seventh grade, there's a course in every general category of history, math, science, etc. This isn't a really important point, because what is important is the subjects are taken and a five is secured on each test.

>>127544872
Beat your kid and fuck it like a normal person. What are you trying to raise another school shooter for?

>>127544872
nice robot youre programming

>>127559129
>learning latin
although it isn't my language of choice, I can respect that, if you're learning based on reasons other than usefulness.
>I appreciate the warning, but I disagree, after looking at what kind of applications are accepted and often seeing far less qualified applicants than what I'm describing, and no, not from the son of politicians or power peddlers.
These people usually had other things going for them. They were often very exceptional in areas that pertained to their intended majors. i went to school with a lot of people who were rejected from schools I was accepted by. These same people had better test scores and GPAs than me. In the end, the numbers on your transcript aren't differentiators, they're benchmarks you have to meet so your app isn't thrown out

You can cover each component of physics c in the equivalent of a semester.

>>127558358
>don't let your child to be left out when everyone's talking about the new title
He will be left out, unfortunately. Even in some alternative universe where I was failure of a permissive parent, you think I'm going to let him play some casual Asscreed of Cawadoody shit? Heavens forbid. No, he'll play something very challenging, which actually describes more what kids played during the NES days, but those still are too simplistic and rely on trial-and-error. Basically, the games should be brutally hard, but fair. I can only think of two kinds: Adaptive N-Back, and the Souls series.
>2.
This has been addressed several times.
>5
As I basically mentioned, his interaction with people will be so limited, he won't depend on it.
>>127558583
I can say from personal experience that this isn't the case. I'm not knocking the intelligence of my friends so much as I'm depreciating how we interacted.
>>127558768
Like the communist, I can always said it wasn't done right in those case and according to my theory and less on experience, I will succeed. There will be enough social interaction to make them skilled, but not enough to make it a distraction and an object of dependence.

I would probably refer to the Education of Karl Witte on this matter, which I should think would actually be my primary model, as much as I dislike the idea of having to subtly instill every desire for every hobby and skill I want the child to learn.

>>127558870
No, no, and no.

>>127559586
Let's try this. Suppose I'm not interested in getting the kid to HYPSM, or any particular school, but want to get him to the best school that this method would go. That would be 20+ 5s in AP, stellar SAT and ACT score, (which you can really do it if you religiously train for every testing opportunity for years and years, starting as early as possible in the 9th grade, like a Gaokao, but taken every year), what's the best university that would take him? Surely, there must be one Ivy for which he would be good enough.

>>127560158
>Gaokao, but taken every year
I should say seven times a year.

>>127559889
while it's good to plan for the future, you're putting the cart way before the horse buddy

>>127560273
Well, clearly, but it's something I obsess about. I will say and admit that an (immense) dissatisfaction exists in my life and a vicarious quality is definitely there, but also there, if not to a larger extent is my motive that is the same as László Polgár's desire of seeing whether a genius can be created, though I would like to think that I would just be retracing the steps of other parents who created geniuses.

>>127559866

what about this. the success of your child is 80% governed by his genetics. there are genetics that controls how much he will work on things (not lazy) and how smart he is (IQ) . have both of those and some stress tolerance then he will get far. this is rare

if you are non of those things (you probably lack at least one ) then your son wont have it ether and it cant be taught. The only chance is to find a girl that comes from a rich and successful family and maybe he will get her genetics.

Think about it this way. some smart people get really far in life by having fun and party and have friends. They still work hard. but they dont post on 4chan or sit around and do relaxing stuff. Other people gets obsessed about being successful and have no fun and gets nowhere. life is not fair. but choosing to not have fun is your mistake and you dont get anything back from it

>>127560158
I'm certain that with those stats he could get into a decent score, at best probably anywhere up to 15-ish% acceptance rate. What about ivies you say? unfortunately, that's not how admisions work anymore. Realistically, a good majority of those AP scores are meaningless because they have no connection to a student's intended major. And what about those that do? let's say anon junior is majoring in engineering. Out of the 20+ APs, only Physics C, 1, 2, and Calc BC are what matter here. Problem is tens of thousands of other students scored as high as he did. Imagine you're a admissions officer. You have two students who excelling in standardized testing and received 5's on all STEM related APs. Student #1 took twice as many AP classes (almost all available) and excelled in them. Student #2 only took AP's geared towards his major, along with maybe some liberal arts APs. While Student #2 received 4's on some of those liberal arts APs, he participated at the national level of the Physics Olympiad. So to summarize: you have two students whose pertinent test scores are the same. One student excelled in other subjects that don't matter at a level that isn't super impressive except for the sheer number of classes. The other excelled in a subject relating to the intended major and did so at the national level. Student #2 is the winner here. if you want your kid to get into an ivy, I urge you not to take student #1's option. My sister did something similar to this. Perfect SAT, 5's on all APs, numerous well rounded extra curriculars, etc. She applied all the ivies save for dartmouth and princeton. Rejected from brown and upenn. Waitlisted by columbia and harvard (eventually rejected from harvard). She only got into Cornell, and that was because she was heavily involved in 4-H (youth organization). Cornell is the university that heads the NY division of 4-H, so it played a big factor in her admission, unlike her scores

>>127560486
>spending this much time planning for a kid you my never have
It's autistic as hell, I admit, but it's probably something I would do

>>127561076
>>127560158
decent *school

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>>127544872
When they're small, I mean under 6-8 take them to whatevery traditional music/folk dance classes your cunt has. Take trips through the country, go camping in beautiful natural places in your cunt,make them have an appreciation for their own country

>>127560796
Again, I am working from the notion that, assuming a standard intelligence within the mean, it's the surroundings that determine his academic success.

If you're really interested in the matter, I would recommend you read the English translated version of the Education of Karl Witte, along information about the immense success stories of children brought up along a similar plans. If that's too long, I would suggest you do cursory research into the life of the Polgár sisters.

>>127557406
>He'll be lucky if he gets into somewhere like Berkeley or USC.
Why? Because you don't think I'll be successful, or is there another reason?
>Don't waste time making him learn to play an instrument unless he wants to become a musician.
I would try to instill this desire in a similar way that Locke recommended teaching children to read, which was also similar to the method Witte used for his son. Or I could scour all the methods that exist for this purpose. But I think developing an ability to play music is a general enough desire that far too many people regret not cultivating that it's best to assume you know better than the child in this case, so like everything in life, it's best to start young, whether he will or no.
>Also homeschoolers experience extreme social awkwardness when they enter the real world
Then I'll imitate homeschooling parents who raised socially capable children. I'm sure someone has managed it and told their experience and methods.

>>127561338
The environment plays a big role in the development of people, but you need to let them "play" around and be independent.
Just like reading about something is one thing, but physically interacting with it is another. You can't just grab them by the shoulders and control their every move.
You should at least give him the illusion of freedom.

>>127561338

so while your child study every day and have no fun. some other guy will fuck girls gets lots of gfs and have fun and then have huge achievements later. while your son will be bitter for why not god gave him anything for his sacrifice. the truth is that you don't get anything from these kinds of sacrifices. what did karl wittter achieve ? he did nothing. he invented nothing. he discovered nothing.

>>127561076
>5's on all APs
Not to disqualify your anecdote, but how many were there? I know I'm evading your point, but this is still important to me.

I should say, if the amount of time that's actually spent on studying for APs is reduced, (so that's it's basically a course that has no end but to score as well as possible on the test), this would leave as much time as possible for cultivating other activities and interests, which might eventually becoming valuable for a college application. It's not like having all those AP scores actually hurts a student's chances.

Also, I can't speak for your sister's case, but I learned to greatly think less of the admission process as these schools because of the following article: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mbgOeIVzAAwJ:gawker.com/ivy-league-admissions-are-a-sham-confessions-of-a-harv-1690402410+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

(Archived because of Gawker)

>>127561116
>It's autistic as hell
I think it's more common than you think. Once again referencing Polgár, he and his future wife, when they exchanged letters, spoke not of love, but of how they would raise their children according his theories.

>>127561968
Somewhere around sixteen I believe. I don't think four more aps would have made a difference.
>The 4.0 student who just works the ball-washing station at the country club does not necessarily demonstrate great time-management skills. On the other hand, we'll take the person who has an A-minus GPA but spends most of her free time in a research lab breeding generations of flies for genetic tests, thank you very much.
^from the gawker article.those ap scores don't hurt a student's chances, but they're a huge time sink

>>127562043
what is a joke

>>127561893
>every day and have no fun.
This does not describe Karl's life. Again, I should have said those success stories were in the preface of the English translation, which is available on Google Books.
>while your son will be bitter for why not god gave him anything for his sacrifice.
Talents will be the reward for his efforts.
>what did karl wittter achieve ? he did nothing. he invented nothing. he discovered nothing.
Actually, he's probably the foremost Dante scholar in history and greatly contributed to the understanding of the author, as well as having an illustrious and renowned career as a lecture while still being a teenager. No, perhaps he wasn't a titan of knowledge or invention, but perhaps that has more to do with other factors that can't be recreated merely through nurture, or involves personality qualities or a genius beyond what Karl had.

>>127562352
there are easier ways to cultivate your child's mind and help him achieve great things than relying on the archaic methods of some dude form the 19th century

>>127561879
>You should at least give him the illusion of freedom.
This unfortunately is probably necessary, which is exactly how Witte raised his son, first instilling the desire for learning a subject, and then teaching it to him.

>>127562352
>Talents will be the reward for his efforts.

no they wont. why do you think that? is it just a good paying job you want from them? maybe they get a whopping 100k $ / year but they might get that anyways if they are somewhat smart and hardworking

karl didn't achieve anything, but he wasted his childhood. He would not be known if it wasnt for the book about his upbringing. so its a meta thing. being a dante scholar is useless and i doubt he is the best dante scholar

the sisters got rank of 2600 in chess. good but miles away from the top players. the best chess playing magnus carlsen had chill parents and just played chess because he liked it, was never pushed to do it, never had a strict training regime.

>>127562235
I see. You know, I actually envisioned an entire school based on this curriculum, where there actually wouldn't be teachers and the material would only be learned as far as a conceptual base could be grasped, before literally tens of thousands of multiple-choice questions would be asked in every possible way that would anticipate what would be on an standardized test, which I think would be the surest way to ensure the highest possible average of a class, and no other homework, tests, projects, etc.

If I really come to the realization eventually that so many fives on so many APs are superfluous, or at least not the magic bullet I hoped they would be, I would just have students, (with this hypothetical curriculum), just drill through study guides. I can say from experience that it requires remarkably little studying from modern study guides to do well on tests that should require the studying of an entire school year, or at least for most subjects, so I would just have students focus only on studying shortly before an exam the study guide, which, giving less of an assurance of scoring a five, is a far more efficient use of time.

Anyway, your sister did much better than I did, and I think I could at least be proud enough of my child if he academically did that much better than me, though it is concerning that she ONLY got to Cornell with her time spent on 4-H (youth organization).

>>127562302
So it's not autistic?

>>127562452
>there are easier ways
Probably less successful, otherwise, similar results would be more common.
>the archaic methods of some dude form the 19th century
For the most part, they are not archaic, but do require a great deal of attention towards interacting with the child with the purpose of teaching rudimentary skills at first and gradually developing a desire in them to learn more.

>>127544872
You lack the fundamental understanding of what raising another life is about. All of your plans and ideas are coming from your perspective. What you value. What you're meant to do is find out what your child values and nourish those values and passions in a way that is healthy for both of your lives. As a family.

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>>127544872

>posted on the internet while being monolingual

>>127544872
I feel sorry for your future children.

1. As few limits as possible, but clear lines and proper punishment if they are broken.
2. Time limit on TV/PC when they are younger, older they are free to choose as long as it doesn't affect school and their mental and physical health
3. Need to have a physical activity such as playing some sport or train at a gym.
4. No alcohol before 16

>>127563360
the 19th century isn't really comparable with today. The handful of people who received doctorates at a young age became interested in high level subjects based on their own volition

>>127557526
Physical health is ridiculously important for both cognition and well, shit, physical health.

>>127562813
>is it just a good paying job you want from them?
Yes, but more than that.
>karl didn't achieve anything
Again, he was a fairly successful lecturer on numerous subjects and contributed a great deal to the scholarship on Dante. A better example, though not really because Mill was probably an innate genius, yet perhaps less precious would be John Stuart Mill.
>He would not be known if it wasnt for the book about his upbringing.
Except for the part that he was a famous child prodigy?
> being a dante scholar is useless and i doubt he is the best dante scholar
K. I would be personally satisfied if my child achieved half his success and I think the pains he went through would have been worth the results, though if you had read the book, you would have learned that he had actually lived a very happy childhood.
>the sisters got rank of 2600 in chess.
Which makes them by far the greatest female chess players.
>good but miles away from the top players.
Maybe historically, but Judith was actually top five at one point. Maybe more could have been expected considering how much of her life was devoted to it, but maybe the rest required natural ability she didn't have. Certainly, the world has not considered the experiment a failure.
>the best chess playing magnus carlsen had chill parents and just played chess because he liked it, was never pushed to do it, never had a strict training regime.
Magnus is an innate genius. Simple as that.

Don't have kids it's basically sentencing someone to a life of slavery

>>127563449
>What you're meant to do is find out what your child values and nourish those values and passions in a way that is healthy for both of your lives.
My parents tried that with me and it didn't work. I would not make the same mistake.

>>127563530
Yes, I hope better for my child than for my me.

>>127563621
Of course, but being ripped is a questionable necessity.

>>127563776
Um, the kid or me?

Actual father here.

My son is 4 1/2. He's allowed to use nails, hammers, pocket knives, etc. I teach him the rules and limitations and dangers of his tools and I teach him to properly respect what he's doing with them.

TV is allowed, he watches only 1-2 hours a week. Movies are allowed, we watch a lot of them together. Old classics and favorites from my childhood. 2-4 a week for family time.

I read him bedtime stories every night. 2-4 stories depending on their length. Goodwill and thrift stores are loaded with cheap children's books. Pre-read before you buy.

I let him roam the neighborhood to a certain point, he gets a lot of freedom, but he is very strictly reprimanded should he break the rules that matter most.

He has extra chores and gets paid for them, and he has to clean all his toys every day. If he wastes something like toothpaste by squirting it all down the drain he has to pay me back out of his money.

We go hiking in the woods, I homeschool him and while in the woods I teach him the plants and animals and their uses. He can already ride a bike so we go biking a lot too.

I don't like his neighborhood friends but I teach him that their bad actions must not become his. He is his own person and must hold his own in the world.

Home cooked meals every day, lots of veggies, no junkfood throughout the day, pretty strict on food.

Anyway, let me tell you this now, pre-fatherhood you are a fucking fool and you think you know everything and will know exactly what you're going to do about everything, once you have a kid everything changes, every year is a different challenge, and trying to keep your kids from becoming all the bad about yourself is impossible from that point of view. lead by example, and let your kids become their own person while having a strong example to guide them.

>>127563580
Again, read the fucking book. Witte makes very clear in fairly detailed descriptions using examples how he raised his child, professing again and again and using authorities other than his own to insist that it was not the innate ability of his child that was the cause of his astounding precociousness.

>1 . No TV/video games/internet browsing. Maybe some video games, but not beyond a certain age, as they become atrophying.

A little bit of video games(not too much, leads to addiction); install purity filters to avoid kids accessing degeneracy havens like Tumblr.

>2. Forced to learn Latin and perhaps Greek. Possibly Spanish, but hopefully in won't be necessary in the future.

Good to learn Latin. Let them choose what language they'd like to learn & go with it.

> 3. Home schooled. The purpose will for him to get as many 5 as possible in almost all the AP tests and get the highest scores he can in the ACT and SAT tests. Maybe a few classes on how to do well in college. The goal is to get him into HYPSM. Even though only graduate school really matters and HYPS are nothing but kike indoctrination centers with prestige, this prestige still matters and will help him in the future.

So you want to homeschool your kid just to become a book smart parrot? I know people who didn't get top-of-the-top grades but are doing well in life.
Life skills+decent grades >> top grades+life shy

>
4. If the parent is religious, by to encourage the children to be so without pressuring him too much or making him a zealot.

Agree 100%. Pressuring too much(from what I've seen) leads to 2 outcomes:

1. leaving the faith as a permanent act of rebellion
2. becoming a parrot sheikh/imam etc

>5. He will be permitted to have friends, but only those who won't have a negative influence on him.

Great.

> 6. He will learn an instrument, preferably the piano.

No point, imo. If he/she wants, then OK.

>7. He will join a sports team, which will help him to make friends in absence of attending a school.

Joining sports team will make your kid attuned to cliquey friendships. Better to learn to deal with all different types of people(rude, nice, introvert, extrovert, secular, zealot). Start with befriending/becoming acquaintances with neighbours & people in the community

>>127564034

>If he wastes something like toothpaste by squirting it all down the drain he has to pay me back out of his money.

jesus christ, where does a 4 year old earn money?

also how do you know strict rules wont make him less creative. the only thing that will be of value in the workforce when he grows up

>>127564054

have you checked litterateur on the bad side of the child prodigy

have you seen movies
"little miss sunshine"
"magnolia"

they are all about the stuff. it has been hyped and was trendy before too. you are not the first one discovering this. pluss you have tons of asian kids youtube vids about growing up in regimes like this, they are not happy

>>127564352
He earns money by doing chores. Strict rules are stay out of the main road and respect neighbors houses and stuff like that. And typical limitations for a young boy. I'm not about to try laying them all out but they're not too ridiculous like no shouting lol

>>127564054
Jesus Christ, anon. Fuck these books you're reading. This guy said, that guy said...
They are not a fucking walkthrough for parenting. They were written in a different time, a different age. You can't just follow them like that. I understand your interest in how other parents raise their children but fucking hell you seem like you're obsessed with these books.

>>127564557
>"little miss sunshine"
>"magnolia"
I haven't seen those films, but I probably will soon.

>pluss you have tons of asian kids youtube vids about growing up in regimes like this, they are not happy
Again, from evidence of the book, I'm personally convinced that Karl was happy, so either he had a disposition to be a prodigy, the methods popularly used are different from Asian ones, or I'm wrongly convinced.

>>127564054
You keep referring back to his retarded book without refuting anything. Again, people that actually achieve things that are remotely comparable to 19th century do so because they are innately gifted. A shit ton of asians do the same shit witte did, and their kids just end up being on celebrity talk shows once and get medical or engineering degree like everyone else who puts in some effort, resulting in a childhood that was wasted for the same result as everyone else. Big fucking deal some german faggot got a doctorate at 13. Aside from that his greatest accomplishment is being know for his father's parenting book. There is one sentence about him being a scholar of Dante on his wikipedia entry. One sentence. But if you want to waste your son's childhood by "enriching" him with useless subject matter because some kraut 200 years ago got his degree early using that method and did nothing else significant, by all means go for it.

Ensure punishment is consistent and proportionate.

If it is not, you may well create a completely dysfunction being that has either given up on trying to do the right thing completely, or devotes all effort to trying to eliminate every potential imperfection and being unable to do anything in practice.

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My father turned into a tranny and left the country when i was 13.
As long as you're not doing that you're doing fine.
The weirdest moment in retrospect is when he took me to the cinema to see trans-america a movie about a trans father forgeing bonds with his gay son. There was a scene where the son whores himself to an old trucker and sucks his dick.

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ITT people who haven't studied pedagogy or don't know what it even is believe they have the perfect system for bringing up children

just remember
1. you gave birth to a human being into this messy world
2. you won't be able to protect them
3. you didn't ask them if they wanted to be born, atleast ask them what they want now that they are in it.

>>127564938
I'm not actually that obsessed, but would use them and others as roadmaps because of how fearful I would be of failure. The methods used in a book actually require a great deal of attention and seducing, not as simple as just placing a book in a child's hands and yelling and hitting them until they learn.

>They were written in a different time, a different age.
As human beings haven't change and the fundamental and rudimentary building blocks of knowledge haven't changed, what should be a pedagogical miracle then, if it just depends on the method, should work today. It's not like the act of reading has become more complex or a different nature than what was required of students back then.

Too many people worry about properly uses their child's potential because they've wasted their own in their own opinions but y'all need to remember you're just raising normal folk.

The Apple hardly ever falls far from the tree. Just be a good and strong person, a loving parent, and your kids will do as they will.

They're not your tools to live out success fantasies and they'll be about only as good as you are.

>>127565271
>trans-america a movie
s-sauce?

>>127565044

ive read that china and asia is using the book of karl. thats how started the whole asian tiger mom phenomena.

And since karl was child of a priest - which was high tier job at those times - he probably had good genetics. so instead of look at a big sample size (like im sure there are studies on this) you are only focusing on one single guy.

>>127565349
No fuck you. You ain't taking your son to see this degenerate ass movie.

>>127551426
Latin is one of the most useless languages if you're not planning on making him a historian. You can't speak it with anyone, and you get every benefit of the language from pretty much every big romance language.

>>127565312
>It's not like the act of reading has become more complex or a different nature than what was required of students back then.
They did not have smartphones, computers and other attention-attracting shit within their arms reach.

>>127565052
>without refuting anything.
You're trying to refute the idea that it's possible in this day and age with a child of average intelligence, and I'm saying that the book proves it is, unless there's some quality to it I'm unaware of.
> Again, people that actually achieve things that are remotely comparable to 19th century do so because they are innately gifted.
But an important aspect of the child was that Karl was not gifted.
>resulting in a childhood that was wasted for the same result as everyone else
Meh. I still think you're giving the child a better chance at success than you otherwise would if you have a more permissive style of parenting.
> There is one sentence about him being a scholar of Dante on his wikipedia entry. One sentence.
It's obviously very important to those who are in interested in Dante. If you're trying to depreciate the value of having such a precocious child, it won't work, at least not for me. I don't expect my child to become the greatest inventor, but again, if achieved half of what Witte did, I would be happy, as his far was of him. However little you think he achieved, most parents have to content themselves with much even less. So I guess pretty much nobody should have children because it'll be so certain they won't even be as successful as Karl was.
>But if you want to waste your son's childhood
Again, if I was nearly as successful was Witte was of his child, I would be pleased. And again, Karl, at least according to his father and other authorities he mentions, was quite happy as a child, so I don't think it was a waste, or if it's a waste, by comparison, how are most other childhood's spent?
Also, I at least think it's worth the attempt.

>>127565491
It's for my personal... curiosity.

>>127564219
>So you want to homeschool your kid just to become a book smart parrot?
As a first result, I wouldn't be that disappointed. I can always alter the methods to make him more independent, while equally diligent and constructive with his time.

>>127565351
True, but Witte's success with his child goes well beyond what would be expected from his ilk. And there are many protestations and assurances in the book that Karl was of average capability.

I don't know the explanation of why China hasn't produced an entire generation of geniuses, though perhaps it's because of poor translation issues, or there being too much incompatibility between the Chinese culture and Witte's methods.

What's actually very promising is how there were several families mentioned in the preface to the English translation, (done in the 20th century), who were raising their children in similar fashions, and well after the book was published they grew up to be prodigies, which gives some indicating of a predictable success of the general method.

>>127565843
He'll know English, and hopefully, he won't have to communicate with the spics in this country, or chinks abroad. Was else does that leave? And yes, I do want him to have a fairly through knowledge on the development of thought in Western world, and for that, I think he would benefit read the works in their original language, and no language would be more effective for this than Latin, the next being Greek.

>>127565887
So what? If methods have improve for reading, all the better. Despite all the advanced of technology, the development levels of children are far, far behind that of what Witte accomplished. And probably, if I were teaching a child, I would use more modern methods, but still trying to adapt Witte's method for the modern ways of teaching literacy, and various other subjects.

Your ideal parenting plan says your kid will be forced. You're already fucking up

>>127566953
I am willing to use gentler methods if the psychological damage would be too great, even if I wish they weren't necessary. Still, I would rather have an Asian-esque zombie than some underachieving fuckup: for instance, me.