Without resorting to memeing such as "he's a leftist

>Has to rely on donations for something he doesn't have the money to pay for rather than the government forcing people to pay for it
>This is a bad thing

>>127453598
did they save money for healthcare? did they purchase health insurance? do they have a job that provides healthcare benefits?

>>127453598
sounds like an indictment on obamacare

Americans are simply retarded when it comes to healthcare cause of mug freedom so they allow insurance companies and big business to rape them.

Simple as that

Justify what? His lies?

Portland is in Oregon, Oregon had/has OHP - one of the most stable public healthcare systems in the US. So either he is a richfag and refused to buy insurance because it will never happen to him, or a poorfag that was too lazy to sign up for the free gimmes. Either way he is a retard.

>>127453598
We can have a better healthcare system if the people realized health insurance is a boomer scam and needs to go.

>>127454231
COMMUNISM

>>127453598
Seems like a fine use of the free market

>>127453598
I have health insurance because I know that catastrophic illness and injury can happen, and it would be devastating.

I also know that nobody is going to swoop in to save me. I am responsible for myself and my family.

The person stabbed did not prepare for the possibility, either out of arrogance or stupidity.

It is not my responsibility to care for him -- It is his responsibility to care for himself.

>>127454231

Righto.

>>127454231
I though it was because the happy sue culture of Americans forced their doctors to become robots who can only do diagnosis when they did every study available even if it's not practical.

>>127454609
it's this scam of "insurance" that is ruining healthcare

>>127453598
The dude should've thought about that before he got into it with a homicidal maniac.

>>127454728
I do believe we spend more per capita on healthcare than socialized nations. The health insurance industry makes sure that money goes to waste.

>>127453598

>guy decides to jump into crazy person's way as he is berating people on the subway
>crazy person is grabbed and tackled for yelling mean things
>crazy person, being crazy, responds to physical assault with retard strength and a knife
>kills 2 beta defenders, 1 in critical but stable condition
>this super liberal person didn't sign up for obamacare, doesn't opt into OHP which would have gotten him catastrophic coverage
>wants government to sweep in and pay for his poor decisions to start a fight with a whackjob on a train

No.

>>127453598
No one has a right to health care, food, clothes etc.
Why does this guy think private charity is a disgraceful? I bet if he gets the money he needs, he is not gonna conclude that Americans are compassionate people who help the people they think deserve it. He would be insulted that the state isn't paying for it.
The root of a lot of our problems are these things people have convinced themselves are rights, like social security, which is used to justify immigration regardless of quality.
News flash: social security is doomed to collapse, and if you import thousands of Mohammeds you are just gonna break down the communal trust and feeling that makes shit like gofundme work. You think Abdul is gonna pay for your surgery?
>muh retirement
People are too softhearted now. They want to abolish death and sickness for everyone, even those unable to sustain themselves.

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>>127453598
If you want healthcare to cost less and be affordable, you have to start by getting rid of this institution

>>127454540
Bingo

you are supposed to save for emergencies so that you can pay them yourself

but people want to consume as much and as fast as they can and have security at the same time

people have this entitlement mentality where they think the government is supposed to provide everything for them, and then forget that this is going to only benefit parasytes who suck tax payer money

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>>127453598
so why aren't we in favor of single payer health insurance??

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>complain about things
>do nothing but have politicians try to fix it

Why don't you become a surgeon and increase the supply relative to demand, you god damn cunt.

I'm starting to not care much for left leaning people.

>>127453598
Socialized healthcare wouldn't work in america, way too many nogs and spics. Of course, this is not an acceptable reason to dislike it, so they go on about muh freedom and actually believe it. Public healthcare is a must for any homogeneous, united developed nation. The social gains make the unavoidable economic inefficiency worth it.
>Muh libertarianism
Stop.

>>127453598
>>127454031
>>127454501
This, is basically single payer, but voluntary and on a case to case basis, i think its perfect, crowdfunded healthcare

Taxes could also work like that, a voluntary honor system, and crowdfund individual projects like infrastructure, pf course that instead of regular taxes, no sales tax, no income tax, just crowdfund

Am i an ancap now?

>>127453598
>universal healthcare is a left v right issue
>the right automatically dislike universal healthcare because thats what the right does
>/pol/ burgers are almost exclusivly right leaning and therefore echo the talking point
>/pol/ burgers also believe they are independent minded

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>>127455268
agreed

>>127454840
Especially a homocidal maniac trying to kill Muslim women. I'd have taken the knife from him and done the stabbing myself, not turn it against him.

>>127454231
yeah you really have the formula figured out man

>>127453598
>>127455268

The guy has a GoFund me.... Problem solved.

>>127454849
we kind of don't. for other nations, administration of healthcare is considered a cost of government, so it is not included when calculating how much is spent per capita. if you factor this cost in, it's actually on par with US spending. i'm in an MHA program and had an entire lecture about this and the lie the europe and japan spend so little on healthcare. japan basically owes $2 for every $1 it spends on healthcare, and with their shrinking population shit is going to hit the fan soon.
insurance ruining healthcare is so true. it's not insurance if it's paying for every little thing. US should remove the employee/healthcare connection, start promoting HSAs, and remove the artificial state lines reducing where companies can compete. those three things alone would drastically reduce costs

>>127453598
Sounds like he should have been more protective of his health. ...considering he had to choose to be uninsured....but yet his bill will be paid....further proof that ACA is a joke ripoff.

Human rights are a social construct.

> America spends more per capita on healthcare than socialised healthcare nations
> Americans will defend getting raped by (((insurance companies)))
> Americans will gobble up the "not muh responsibility" argument despite the fact you already pay for government services you don't use that much
> Americans will defend the "job creators" meme

You guys are eternally cucked

>>127453598
Sounds like horseshit.

First off, I am one of those lucky fuckers in the 25% tax bracket that has the privilege of actually writing a check to the US Treasury on tax day, so I can listen to a bunch of burger flippers and Bernie neets complain about muh gibs.

Second, muh healthcare is a meme. There is no such thing as "healthcare". What people are talking about is medicine and medical services. When someone says "free healthcare" what they really want is free medicine and medical staff to work for them for free. Commies.

In America, anyone going to an ER is treated regardless of ability to pay (in other words, I get to pay for it).

If you want medical treatment, someone is going to have to pay for it. Either you, your employer, or the gobment. If this neet doesn't have medical insurance, then he should be on welfare and signed up for medicade. It is that simple.

The whole fucking "cant pay for my healthcare" is bs. Yes, you can pay for it if you stop buying a new iPhone, craft beer, fairtrade free range sustainable locally sourced organic small batch coffee, and $10 avocado toast.

>>127455247
>the supply relative to demand
But then you would need a higher percentage of people NOT bitching about burritos and puta games and films and stuffing drugs up their arses and all of the other trash American Brats get baited by the government into doing. So of course you are going to need a centrally planned everything provided via the government.

Why doesn't he have the legally required medical insurance?

>>127455185
because there is nothing in the constitution that allows the federal government to do such a thing
states can do it if they want idgaf
Cali and Mass already do their own thing

>>127455326
>ancap

This spic gets it.

>>127453598
He's a leftist so he deserves it. Not even memeing.

>>127453598

He should get health insurance.

>>127454962

yay someone gets it

Most states have a violent crime victim fund that pays for medical expense and compensation for lost time at work he could use.

>>127453598
he's right you know. people now have the right to donate, no obligations, that does make america the best country in the world

>>127455247
>muh doctor shortage may may
federal government keeps the number of physicians artificially low anon

>>127453598
>#MAGA
>sucking Saudi dick for the lulz instead

>>127453598
the problem is the healthcare monopoly bureaucracy thats spending most of its money on life extension of 90yo's
theres nothing capitalist about the healthcare system so theres no point in letting private corps reap the benefits

>>127453598
Look ay moldy locks, clanton, or any of the rest. As soon as they get famous for being a SAW they all create GoFund accounts.
Moldy locks for something like $60k for getting punched in the face and claiming she had hospital bills she couldn't afford.
We have terms for things like this here.
>dipshit just won the nigger lottery.

>>127453598
>waah, charity is making socialism unnecessary!

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>>127454231
Isn't the NHS failing?...

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>>127453598
>Put yourself at risk for harm
>"Wow dude I have to pay for my medical expenses! I'm a hero!"
No dude, you're a normal fag just like the rest of us, welcome to the world bud.

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>>127456533
>Says something provocative
>provides no reasoning on how that is or evidence

>>127453598
>didn't bother to ask the hospital for a waiver to cut down the fee dramatically
>will probably end up using the gofundme on shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the bills
and idiots will give them money anyway

this twink should delete that tweet

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>>127453598
If this face doesn't scream cuck I don't know what does.

>>127454311
This. Or he's lying about the whole thing to get free money and demonize GOP.

>>127453598
You know with Trumpcare all young people will get a $2,000 dollar refundable tax credit (i.e. free money) to use on health insurance.

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>>127453598
So he's still expecting others to pay his hospital bill, instead of doing it himself...

>>127453598
He doesn't have health care because he didn't want it. Pretty simple.

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>snark
>sarcasm
>irony
>penis
>vaginas
>butts

Is this all the manchild left has on their minds?

>>127453598
why should people be forced to pay for the stupidity of a white knight?
you don't see me fighting crime wearing a mask and requesting the government to finance me

>>127456768
This is actually a good point.
99.999% of hospitals will dramatically reduce the price of procedures if you just fucking ask.

Their pricing structures are nebulous at best and completely made up on the fly at worst. There are many times where they'll run tests that were unnecessary then just waive the cost because you didn't ask for it in the first place.

>>127454231

the "muh freedom" era in US healthcare ended in the 1920s

the AMA has been strangling the supply of physicians ever since

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the fact that the guy that killed those cucks was white and hated muslims will only give leftists more ammo for their whining.

I saw some spic saying that trump supporters are worse than ISIS and hundreds of similar sentiments in a news thread about it on kikebook

>>127455326
>Am i an ancap now?

No, you're still just a moron.

99% of GoFundMe pages are a scam everyone uses it to rip of bleeding heart idiots and if they don't take advantage of their local public outrage event a scammer will for them.

>>127456759
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=residency+caps
i'm sure you'll figure out how the internet works one day

>>127455612

Except there are millions that can't and whose problems aren't as colorul to get a single dollar through such sites

It's a fucked up system

>>127453598
>When your wait times are lower than the rest of the 1st world..
>..because people have to decide whether to go into crippling debt to get healthy or stay injured.

>>127455268
>Socialized healthcare wouldn't work in america, way too many nogs and spics.

/thread.

>>127453598
Should have called the police instead of playing Superman, that way everything would have been taken care by the tax payers.

>>127457060
They need to extract the most possible from anybody with insurance in order to cover cost from non-paying patients

>>127453598

If he's so wounded how did he have time to set up a GoFundMe? Checkmate, atheists. Just another scam for the goyim.

>>127454231
Unless you're dying of a terminal illness, medical costs aren't even that bad. I'd rather have to pay for my own medical care a couple times a year than have to pay higher taxes all year.

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>>127453598
Man i really hope it was worth shilling for people that murder our children.The reason why the US cant have a real health care system like Switzerland is because of rent seeking 3rd worlders sucking the white hosts dry.So...Justified.Anything else left Schlomo ?

>>127454231
>allow insurance companies and big business to rape them
Actually, getting our government involved is why we are getting raped.

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>>127457103
>muslim states allegiance to ISIS and kills 50 people at a nightclub
>mental health problem
>insane white supremacist tries to kill muslims
>domestic terrorism

>>127453598

Oregon has had public health coverage for over 20 years but soon after it was created so many scumbags moved to Oregon to get it they restricted it and a single white man who does not get in trouble could not get on

>>127453598
>allowing people to voluntarily and directly donate to some cuck with similar beliefs to theirs is worse than expanding daddy government and using a gun to forcefully take cash from everyone all the while taking a bit off the top at every bureaucratic step in the least efficient manner

>>127453598
That's much better than forcing others to pay. You wouldn't say anon?

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>>127453598
Socialised healthcare is good if it's only given to those who actually need it. However, no social policy ever is limited to just the people who need it. Not because of leeches, but because your government is willing to cite any excuse to take more taxes out of your pockets.

Here in Germany, nearly everyone is forced to rely on state healthcare. You can get private insurance, but there are limits on it - you can only get off the state insurance if you're an above average earner. What sick logic is that? It's simple: Given the choice, Germans would prefer private over state, even though it's basically twice as expensive. Medical workers in Germany are fleeing this shit system to places like the USA, where you have the power to escape the state from meddling in your business. It always ends up in a fucked system that only exists to max out taxes. The government doesn't give a fuck about you, it's your money they're after.

>>127453598
know how to defend yourself when african american white supremacists attack. stop being a victim!

>>127457679
That only worked because it was a public case, no one will pay for another person apendectomy.

>>127457804
Bla bla bla niggers, the problem they have with health care it's the cost of it, if the goverment had to pay for the current market value of health in america it will go bankrupt, anyone will, the costs are so excesivelly inflated that are beyond the average citizen.

America's economy depend on people buying shit, if they save all their money to properly pay for their medical insurance, they won't have enough money to buy shit and the economy would simple collapse, cause rich doctors aren't going store from store buying every little thing.

>>127453598
Turn off the tap before you mop the floor, anons.

Jews are the brains, money and media coverage behind the anti white movement. White self haters are the muscle that protects the non whites. (Think about when the National Guard force integrated Mississippi. Think about all the Cops who enforce white displacement that lower class whites don't want.)

If you do anything other than take the fight to Jews and white self haters, you are not fighting the cause of the disease that is multi racialism. You are fighting the symptom of the disease that is multi racialism. To do anything other than remove Jews and white self haters from positions of authority and influence is to do the anti white movement a huge favor. You provide them with not only a massive propaganda victory, you also take the troublesome children off their hands. That frees them up to be much more effective in fighting you.

TLDR: Jews are the primary target. White self haters are the secondary target. Anything else before those two does the anti whites a huge favor.

>>127453598
if he had a job it could help with expenses

>>127454175
>save money for Healthcare
>Hospital bills racking up to 60-70k

I bet you think if people stopped buying iphones they could afford Healthcare as well

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>the two dead libcucks are being "hailed as heroes"

Lel for what? Standing up to the big bad racist? Look at this cuck

>>127454031
>Has to rely on donations for something he doesn't have the money to pay for rather than the government forcing people to pay for it

With all your expenses combined, you ameriniggers are paying more taxes than us. You wish someone was forced to pay for it, cuck.

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Maybe he shouldn't fuck with dudes with knives if he couldn't afford to get stabbed.

Obamacare has been law for 5 years now I want the IRS to audit this guy and make sure he didn't lie on his taxes saying he had medical insurance.

>>127454231

Yeah because things are so much better in your country bong

>look, free healthcare!
>but your government is consuming 60 percent of the national inc-
>OI YA WANKER I SAID IT'S FREE

>>127457804
>people who need it
>need

That is the problem. It seems everyone "needs" someone else to pay for their medical needs.

There is no "health" in "healthcare". They are talking about medicine and medical providers. Most disease and injury are the result of bad decisions.

Niggers get into a gun fight, somehow now the govt has pay for their medical attention. 300lb lard ass expects someone else to pay for their beatis, dialysis, knee replacement, and that little scooter they roll around on.

True socialized medicine would be like best Korea. All of the people in the projects would have to wake up every morning, exercise, and eat the govt provided food. Ever see a fat nork?

>>127458716
>a fucking deutsche-LARPer

>>127456709
It's pretty funny when there was talk of PP being defunded, all the leftists chipped in to fund it, then used that as a way to say "take that Republicans" when in reality it just proved that PP doesn't need public funding

Liberals struggle with irony though

>>127458623

If you have health insurance, that isnt a thing

>>127458322
>if the goverment had to pay for the current market value of health in america it will go bankrupt

I don't know the fiscal intricacies of America too well. I can only refer to what I know. For example, I know the quality of German medical services can never play in the same league as US equivalents. It's especially embarrassing because German medical engineering is top notch and would dominate the world if it weren't for our horrendous welfare state.

>>127453598

it's impossible to justify because it's the way it is from leftist economic policies

>>127458336
> t. train stabber.

>>127458494
He got his throat cut, so he ain't singing now.

>>127458787
He was a proud white man, /pol/ have told that they aren't the problem, why should I distrust them?

>>127458810
He couldn't talk so maybe it was a confusion.

>>127459042
But still you don't have people randomly dying in the streets, you don't have mug victims bleeding out and a bunch of other things americans take for granted, don't you think millions of people would rather have slightly inferior medical equipment, if they could actually afford being treated?

so is it a bad thing that people are willing to charitably give to help another human being out?

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>>127456119

>The whole fucking "cant pay for my healthcare" is bs. Yes, you can pay for it if you stop buying a new iPhone, craft beer, fairtrade free range sustainable locally sourced organic small batch coffee, and $10 avocado toast.

You are currently disconnected from the current state of poor and middle class Americans if you truly believe this statement.

I do none of those things, and had I not had insurance, I would have had the option of either forking over 36k (which I didn't have available) for the night my wife spent at the hospital for getting mauled by a dog so badly that she required surgery, or filing for medical bankruptcy and putting the bill on you instead (which is irresponsible).

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>>127454609
when it's possible you can get billed for $300,000 on a preventable illness that a doctor neglected to check, or a surgeon caused during a surgery, you better believe there's going to be a sue-happy culture that arises from that. it's why a singular private system is a scam. Truth of why we still have it is because hospitals and the insurance industry lobbying against a single-payer system---simple as that. They spent billions in the 90's to persuade people to back of Clinton's plan.
>>127457483
>Unless you're dying of a terminal illness, medical costs aren't even that bad.
Except they're ridiculously overpriced for most treatments and prescriptions you get.
>I'd rather have to pay for my own medical care a couple times a year than have to pay higher taxes all year.
you mean pay for insurance whose premium rates can change every month, whose costs excel that of annual taxes that come with universal healthcare, which only higher income ($100,000) are better off with the private system.
>>127457603
>it's duh gubmint!
Answer me this, faggot. Do you believe that consumers mostly know what's best for them? And the free-market works because people subtly know what's best in the end? If so, why has practically every developed country on earth that has had universal healthcare, has never backed out of it and switched back to a private system?

>>127458857
True. Norks have a flawless public order. They are immune to all the typical Western afflictions, but that was paid for with their freedom. This is the kind of world that will be created if the current generation gives up on their self-ownership.

>>127459393
It quickly goes too far. It turns into coercion. It becomes very unfair towards people who don't fuck up their own bodies. I'll get private insurance if I get a shot at better income opportunities and I recommend you do the same, if you dream of being your own master that is.

Give it to me straight: Is public health care literally communism and a violation of the NAP?

>>127453598
why doesnt that jew get a real job?

>>127453598
If Obama didn't destroy the insurance industry, he would likely have his own insurance. I used to have horizon bluecross until that nigger fucked everything up so bad I eventually got priced out.

>>127460060
>turns into coercion

Evn if you are perfectly healthy some other people aren't, one example firefighters, they tend to get sick, it's in my own interest and safety that they are healthy enough to save my house from a fire, but in a country like mine where firefighters are volunteers and health it's private, they just aren't and my house may burn to the ground making me lose all of my belongings, all this could be prevented if my firefighters could go to the doctor and get fix instead of having to beg for money on the streets.

>>127454540
>I have health insurance because I know that catastrophic illness and injury can happen, and it would be devastating.
you can have health insurance and still have a shit ton of out of pocket costs that many can't afford.
>It is not my responsibility to care for him -- It is his responsibility to care for himself.
True. but as a citizen, when you come across anomalies that frequently negatively affect your fellow citizens caused by a singular distinct problem from an inefficient system, and there's been multiple proposed solutions to said problem that have been demonstrated countless various times in other nations that have shown it works, you should inquire about possibly changing that system by the way you vote.

>>127453598
SLIDE THRAD

HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH

SHAREBLUE WANTS YOU TO SLEEP

>guy has to rely on other people to pay his medical bills because he can't rely on other people to pay his medical bills
Huh?

>>127453598
every single human taken to an emergency room is treated, regardless of ability to pay. this is what losers who buy $1000 phones use for basic medical needs rather than pay for insurance don't die when they get stabbed by a crazy person on the train.you cannot be turned away. when hospitals try to ship off homeless nuts to avoid the expenses of treating them they get thrown in jail.

america is nicer to humans than every other country combined but you keep believing the hype, retards. maybe believe it so much you GET THE FUCK OUT

>>127460835
They get treated because they have a million ways to make sure they'll get their money eventually.

>>127460445
Healthcare premiums doubled between 2001-2009. Obama only made the wise decision to make insurance more liable to cover more conditions and make them more unable to back out from coverage whenever they please. The private system, regardless, is inefficient without a universal government controlled one that acts of the bed-rock for the entire nation, and allows those who want private insurance to get off of it.
>>127456709
'Charity' in this sense, is akin to having your citizens getting frequently kidnapped by pirates and bandits and they hold them hostage, and the solution being is to rely on the benevolence of a few / fraction of the population to pay their ransom--who aren't always willing to pay for every citizen that gets kidnapped, but only the ones who catch peoples' attentions--instead of using the State it-self to pool together money from taxes to build a navy or army to squash the pirates or bandits in the first place. It's inefficient thinking.

>>127459895
>If so, why has practically every developed country on earth that has had universal healthcare, has never backed out of it and switched back to a private system?

Because once you start down that road a massive bureaucracy develops around healthcare, becoming more and more entrenched every year. You literally add hundreds of thousands of previously private sector workers to the government payroll, in turn vastly expanding government spending and government control. Socialized medicine is really one of the most insidious forms of state despotism. Take the extreme case in Sweden. There, if the government panel in charge of approving or denying treatments decides you don't need a particular operation or drug, you simply can't get it, not even if you're willing to pay for it out of your own pocket. In places like Britain, Canada, Sweden etc thousands of people die every year waiting in line to get their "free healthcare".

The fact is, we already have a single payer system in this county. It's called the VA, and those people get the absolute worst standard of healthcare in America.

>>127459772

well an iphone with an unlimited data plan to stream muh netflix costs what, 200 a month after all is said and done? its a start. People learning how to cook would also stop their expenses so they dont have to go to McDongles and get tendies every day. That coupled with not drinking $200 in craft fucking beer every month and youre starting to look like you have a solid budget.

Americans, mostly in my generation have a huge entitlement issue, they believe that they have a RIGHT to all the cool shit that their parents have and all their friends have, but the harsh reality is unless you can provide a service worth paying to the capitalist machine, youre going to be stuck working 3 part time jobs with a masters degree in deep space gender studies cuz youre a moron and fell for the college jew

>>127453598
So Obamacare failed him?

>>127461529
It's not an entitlement issue, it's your economy, that's how it works, you need them buying shit, that's why you spend more money on advertising that in NASA.

>>127461508
How do you make such mental jumps, to say that countries with an standar of life ten times better than yours have somehow, a terrible healthcare just because it doesn't alligns with your ideological point of view?

>>127453598
What happened to the affordable care act and Obama's legacy?

>>127453598
This is literally the healthcare system he voted for.

>>127460835

>america is nicer to humans

Wake up, America treats it's citizens like nigger cattle, which is exactly what we are now. Sure you can get your free services which they stole from someone else but the quality is crap no matter if it's a hospital, school, court or anything else.

We can have universal health care in America so long as we limit benefits so retarded liberals don't go to the emergency room 250 times a year because they "feel physically assaulted" whenever they see Trump's photo online.

>>127453598

Life is not fair.

This is a big thorn in the side of leftists who, in their atheistic, materialist worldview, believe that ultimate justice comes from the government in the form of welfare and wealth redistribution programs. More tradition-minded people turn to religion and God as the source of ultimate justice in this world, rather than the state.

It is unfortunate what has happened to the victim and I praise the charitable people who fund her medical expenses, but people have to accept the fact that life is not designed to be easy or just. It just IS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7n0XzqtfA

>>127461911

No, thats how the economy sustains itself off of retards. Youre either part of the machine, or youre its fuel

>>127453598
No one should pay this faggot's medical expenses.

>>127461529
This is the shit I'm talking about when I say you're disconnected. No, it doesn't cost $200 for a phone plan with unlimited data every month. If you're going to make up statistics and expect to convince the people you're trying to lecture, then you need to be realistic. I pay $65 for my unlimited data plan a month. The high end for contracts can run in the low 100's.

Budgeting is important, I agree, but the issue isn't a sense of entitlement like you're claiming, it's a ridiculous burden placed upon those unfortunate enough to be thrown a curve ball and cannot fiscally handle the ramifications of a fucked up Healthcare system with prices jacked up due to the history of uninsured individuals still requiring care.

The hospitals still need to make up the money lost from caring for those individuals, so they'll charge more to those that can pay it through insurance or by some miracle out of pocket. But I digress. The avocado toast meme is as infuriating as it is ignorant and it only further shows how alienated you are from the entire ordeal we are currently in.

>>127458623

Um, if you have health insurance, your total out of pocket for a year can be $5,000 (at least, that's what mine would be)

if I still have to pay 60k for healthcare, why the fuck would I be paying for insurance?

>>127453598
Justify what?
A system that's working just as it should..... Someone in need is getting their needs met through charity and volunteerism instead of force and theft..... Explain the problem here buttercup.

>>127454962
> no one has the right to food and healthcare

That's the thing though, this type of communist thinks they should be basic human rights aka provided by somebody else so he doesn't have to work.

>>127453598
>not taxed a shit load
>bills paid
>people feel good about helping someone
How is this not the best case scenario you dumb fuck?

>>127453598
Obamacare is still going on, why doesn't he use that?

>leftist has a kerfuffle with a knife wielding maniac instead of carrying a firearm

>>127453598
what a crock of shit; he doesn't HAVE to rely on the VOLUNTARILY provided and engaged in SERVICE of GoFundMe. He's free to go outside and panhandle if he wants to, or he can do it in a more sophisticated way with GoFundMe. He can also purchase health insurance. He's literally FREE to do all these things.

The only FREEDOM being restricted in this case is the taxpayers who HAVE to subsidize these fuckwits with free insurance in all states.

>>127454962
>No one has a right to health care
Ronald Reagan (R-President) said everyone has that right. Bernie Sanders says it too.

The only people saying we don't are the poor white trailer trash who don't have a clue how worshiping the 1% is going to eventually get them killed.

>>127455268
>Socialized healthcare wouldn't work in america
It can't be allowed to work because Big Pharma and the Heath Care Insurance industry would sabotage it at every turn to protect their profits.

>>127461508
>Because once you start down that road a massive bureaucracy develops around healthcare, becoming more and more entrenched every year.
Government entrenchment of certain industries didn't stop many EU countries from privatizing them. The Brits used to have a bunch of government controlled industries with their natural resources and manufacturing sector up until the 70's-80's--similar with the French--but they realize their inefficiencies and privatized them. This has yet to happen with healthcare in these countries, sans maybe Switzerland (which I'm not sure if they ever even had a strict public system in place that got privatized).
>Socialized medicine is really one of the most insidious forms of state despotism.
Wrong. It's one of the few institutions in States that work efficiently and consistently for the collective population as whole.
>there, if the government panel in charge of approving or denying treatments decides you don't need a particular operation or drug, you simply can't get it, not even if you're willing to pay for it out of your own pocket.
Sweden has private hospitals and clinics, and those panels only weigh in on those who take drugs, smoke, and are alcoholics from certain treatment--which is wise--and even then, they do allow them to get treated so long as they pay the fees themselves.
>In places like Britain, Canada, Sweden etc thousands of people die every year waiting in line to get their "free healthcare".
Source. Millions die here from preventable diseases and conditions from lacking insurance or having crappy insurances that have high deductibles and co-pays. Thousands die here for wait time for various reasons by no one bats an eye as the blame only gets put on particular individual hospitals and clinics instead of a large singular entity like in those countries.

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>>127453598
Medical care is not a right. Food and water, two things humans need to live, is also not a right. Stop being a faggot and grow up you pansy bitch, you have the ability to build an empire with your own two hands, and make your family wealthy for the rest of their lives, yet you just want to sit and bitch and have things handed to you.

>>127453598
So force the stabber pay the poor victim's medical expenses.
Stabber doesn't have enough money to do that? Then get the money from his family.
Family doesn't have enough money? Well, I can fucking guarantee you you can get it from their relatives.

This might be a pretty effective way to decrease crime anyway. Imagine how many more parents and extended families would get involved in their troublemaker brats lives if they knew that not just their brats but they themselves could pay the literal physical price for not putting their little punks on the straight & narrow. Oh I get so erect just thinking about it.

I nor anyone in my family stabbed the guy. I'll go out on a limb and say no one on this board or their families were responsible for it either. No we shouldn't have to pay that survivor's expenses. Let the criminal and the criminal's family/relatives responsible pay for it. Fuck off.

>>127463093
That's what happened so far, lobby it's completely out of control in America.

>>127454231
Pay for healthcare, or wait 12 months to get your broken arm fixed.

>>127461911

"Standard of living" or "social progress" is a complete meme statistic designed to make unfree socialist shitholes look better than they really are. You should be grateful for your relative freedom, which we gave to you. Or would you rather live in Venezuela?

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Your country is fucking retarded.

>get stabbed
>have to pay for medical bill

>>127463691

>having to pay for things that cost money to provide is retarded

Just wait till that oil runs out you filthy Norwegian cuckold

>>127457613
didnt even kill any muslims, just some cucks that tried to silence his free speach

its not even a hate crime regardless

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>>127453598
>white knight irl for terrorists and get stabbed for assaulting another person who only opened his mouth
>muh taxpayers dime muh healthcare muh muh

loving every minute of it lads hope he dies too

>>127463623
Back when we had our CIA backed dictator we couldn't be in the street after 11pm.

>>127453598
Why isn't the religion of peace helping him pay his medical bills?

I thought all muslims were doctors?

>>127463147
We don't have socialized medicine and ours works just fine. Stop shilling so fucking hard for yet more government cock down your throat, jesus christ it's embarrassing.

And stop saying shit like "all developed countries have universal socialized healthcare" and actually read a book.

>>127463691
t. never been in hospital

Unless you can make the other party pay it's the same here.

>>127453598
Mind your own business next time and you won't get stabbed.

>>127463147
>Millions die here from preventable diseases

Show me a disease that isn't preventable lad. That's a bullshit argument.

>it's one of the few institutions in States that work efficiently and consistently for the collective population as whole.

This fucking delusion, holy shit. Socialized medicine is grossly inefficient, just like everything else the government tries to run. Long wait times, referrals impossible to get, procedures that have to be booked years in advance, the list goes on. There's literally nothing besides national defense that the government does more efficiently than the free market. These clowns can't even run a fucking parcel service, which is why we have UPS and FedEx.

The only way that government can make healthcare more affordable is by making it worse. Socializing allows government to conceal the true costs of health care by distributing them across the entire taxpayer base.

>>127464207
You hardly count medpack, you are paradise on earth, you can't expect the rest of the word to be as good as you.

>>127464092

So move to Venezuela, I'm sure you can live on the streets all day over there

>>127464537
>which is why we have UPS

Funnily enough UPS will give you health insurance with almost no co-pay for free if you work for them for a year, even if you are part time.

t. UPS employee

what about that black guy that just gunned down 9 people.

how does that make him feel about this country?

>>127464763
Yeah we take the time and effort to fix the disaster you caused and now you want me to go and fix another, I will tough if they give me the CIA resources, it's not even hard, only the CIA manages to fuck that up.

Oh wow, big surprise, somebody is upset they have to pay for their medical expenses. Yes, it was a terrible thing to go through, but terrible things happen to people on a daily basis. This is not so much about insurance, but instead entiltement mentality of "who's going to pay for my_____?!" Obamacare has not yet been repealed, and Oregon has OHP, which compared to other states is the most stable, well run program in the country. If he was employed, either his job provided health care that he declined to sign up for or he chose not to buy into Obamacare and pay the federally mandated fine instead, believing he would never be a position as he is now. If either of those things did not occur, then he didnt care or try to find out how to sign up for the subsidized or free programs that are/were available to him...which means he still defied the Obamacare mandate (still unconstitutional btw). Also, OP's argument makes no mention of his expenses being connected to insurance at all, just that the expenses exist. Unless you've met an out of pocket maximum, there is always a portion of expense that is the patient's responsibility. People are confusing healthcare with free medicine.

>>127456453
This

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>>127456728
No its not, but I'm sure you would think differently if fox news told you so.

>>127453598
but

but obama gave us healthcare for everyone!

>>127461508
>The fact is, we already have a single payer system in this county. It's called the VA, and those people get the absolute worst standard of healthcare in America.
it's not single-payer if there isn't one singular large entity that covers most of the people and fixes the prices for treatment. The VA consists of a a few dozen hospitals and clinics scattered around this country, with veterans who treatment often have to travel across their State to get to. And regardless of what you think, it has worked for millions who prefer it to relying on private insurance for anything. A few cases of overtly politicized mishaps doesn't change that. If such standard was used for every insurance provider, you see the same complaints make national headlines every week. But since they're long established, and so mixed and complicated with the quality of certain ones, that it's harder to bring it to the attention of others who aren't on it.
>>127462435
the average median-income worker here pays more for taxes and healthcare than pretty much any other nation in Europe. The Median worker salary is ~$30,000, Federal income (15%) + SS & Medicare is (7.65%), the average combined effective State income and sale tax + local tax is 8-9%, the average insurance premium plan for the average individual American is $6432 a year in 2016 (or 21.4% for the median worker). Combined, that's 52.5% of the median worker's income. In Sweden and Germany, when it comes to income and payroll tax rates, it varies from 28-35% for their median income workers. Most Americans are getting cucked for nothing in return, LOL!

>>127453598
he is required to have obama care

>>127465267
You know we have free medicine, Machis (our local witch doctors) treat the sick for free, they have always done so, long before Columbus reached this continent and they still do, they give you herb treatments for the most common diseases and they serve as psychotherapists, they listen to your problems and give you sound solutions while playing a drum and burning scented potions.

It's not the best healthcare in the world, but it's free of costs and anyone can afford it, you don't even have that.

>>127466083
>witch doctors
Come on Texas, how does that work in the long run?

Last month I got too drunk and my friends were drunk too so they weren't able to take care of me. They called the 18, I was taken to an hospital and I spent the night there. It cost me 50.09 €, 36.27 € were payed by the public healthcare and 13.82 € were paid by my private mutual insurance. In the US the ride to the hospital would have cost me 1000 $, the night would have cost me 1000 $. I don't know how you guys think it is normal to pay that much.

>>127458716
>Burgers are paying more taxes than whatever insignificant country you're from
False. Burgerland residents have a much larger proportion of their income as disposable.

>>127453598
I'd justify it by saying it's a blatant lie.

>>127465082

We saved you faggots from turning into Venezuela. Be grateful for having the highest economic and human freedom in South America you retard

>>127465833
So you're of the opinion that making a failure bigger will fix the failure because reasons.

>>127453598
>it's the government's fault this guy who happened to be stabbed doesn't have a job

>>127454231
>on pol
>promoting socialism
>this level of doublethink

>>127466782

That's the way with government programs. When private businesses enterprises fail, we shut them down. When government enterprises fail, we give them more money.

>>127454231
Okay Ahmed, come back to me in a few months when the NHS has collapsed and your healthcare has been privatized. Mate.

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>>127453598
>implying all of his medical expenses won't be taken care of by this GoFundMe, by WILLING donors.
>Cole Escola is a dishonest faggot
>OP is a dishonest faggot

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>>127466234
Actually it works great, traditional medicine has very effective solutions for common diseases, and most of the use goes into depression and mental illness and for that it works better than great, they treat female hysteria like you wouldn't believe, of course serious machis learn western medicine and work as machis on the side, those ladies are diagnosis machines, like a fucking Doctor house, cause Machi treatment was based on diagnosis and they are so good that seems like magic.

>>127465833

You've obviously never had to use the va.

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>>127458623

I have health insurance through my work. My 50k surgery was $100 out of pocket.

>>127453598
>obamacare is working
>victim can't afford hospital bills
This demonstrates what I've been saying all along. Obamacare is bullshit amd doesnt work. Get rid of it.

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>>127467029

Come back when you realize mindlessly defending insurance and pharmaceutical compani that don't care about you makes you look retarded and soulless.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#24d9bf831b96
>It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.

>>127455366
>Sweeds thinking they know about American politics

>>127467376
and stories like yours will always get buried

>>127467846
Health Care in UK is not better than US, simply look at patient outcomes. Your chart is fake and gay.

>>127466083
I agree with part of your statement, yes, the act of medicine can be essentially free in terms of actual money spent in certain regions by other practioners, homeopathic practices, herbs, and some older & obscure therapies. And I believe the industry and patients would be better off if some of these were used. But to state they are completely free without any cost to anyone is not believable; do people that visit these practioners give gifts outside of money to practioner...food, clothing, livestock, household items; or does the community provide housing and the necessary items the practitioner needs to survive? If so, that is a "cost". Also, you stated they are treating the most common ailments, which works for everyday but most likely would not help in an emergency situation. The level of care you receive in those situations will be directionally proportional to the education & training of the practitioner treating you.

>>127468007

He's right.

In Europe, far-right parties mostly support socialized health care.

It's only in America that dumb burgers have been gaslit to think getting fucked over by insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry, and letting people die on the street is somehow a good thing, and something "a good Republican would do" because it's "freedoms" and anything else is "socialism". Most of it has to be shills, but it's hilarious that people fall for it.

>>127468306
>Health Care in UK is not better than US, simply look at patient outcomes.

It is by every metric.

>>127453598
This is bullshit. If you can prove hardship they'll cut 90% off your bill. Charities and hospitals work together all the time to cover costs for people.

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>>127468402
That's evident, they got incorpored into the public health system, the hospital pay them fees, inside the community, where there is one, the people gift them with stuff as you said, but they still treat you for free, it's one of those traditions that we preserved cause it's actually helpful.

I have the impression that doctors in America demonized alternative medicine to a point that people don't consider it an option, of course they can't do a heart transplant, but in an emergency every health treatment done by someone that dedicate their life to it would be better than nothing.

I have to say tough, that the level of training and education it's fairly high, the amount of herbs and treatments it's encyclopedic and elder machi training takes at least 40 years.