Hi there, /pol/, I heard you are big on red pilling people. I

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>>127452030
Kill yourself.

>>127452199
Good argument. I am sure you will change people's believes like that.

Why should I care about what the fuck views you have you anonymous nobody? Stop being an attention whore

>>127452257
Because you want to spread your ideas? But I guess people here just want to have their little hug box, jerking each other off about their believes instead.

Asking pol about things you can easily figure out by yourself.

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>>127452389
lurk more faggot

Kill yourself.

>>127452030
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
Why would we preemptively make policy based on people who think they can predict the future- especially the future of technology?
History tells us that technology predictions are almost ALWAYS way off.

>>127452030
>give you the chance
oh to be the kind of self involved shitheel that believes they're anything but a constant burden on society. I hope that when you do finally shove enough pills in to your gut that you choke and die on them.

>>127452030
>soon most jobs will be automated

cash registers and amazon packages are not 'most jobs'

>>127452969
I do agree that it is to early right now, or even in the next few years, but it is something that should happen eventually and right wing conservatives really seem to hate the idea of ever having it, both now and in the future.

>>127453230
But they are a percentage of jobs which is getting automated and this percentage will only grow larger.

Boy there is an awful lot of dodging and profanity in this thread, for a group of people being so smug about the superiority of their arguments /pol/ sure has a hard time to put forth anything :^)

>sage

also

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?

how does muslims raping your neighbor's daughter fix global warming? Globalism and multiculturalism make literally no contribution to a single global issue. Liberals actually believe that tweeting about wonder woman and forcing employers to prefer unqualified niggers saves the planet. I don't know how to counter an argument that already has no basis even in its own context

>>127453230
>cash registers and amazon packages are not 'most jobs'

No, but _driving_ /is/ most jobs, ya dimwit.

The real fun is when people like me automate out 99% of all white collar jobs. Seriously, you think HR departments need to exist anymore? IT? Any administration level paper pushing? Accountants? Managers of anything? Even programmers are quickly becoming obsolete. The entire US government just switched to a new data standard (open data act) BECAUSE it's the first step in automation most government jobs.

We're 3 years from LA being fully autonomous within the 30 mile zone. GOOD LUCK NIGGAS

>>127452030

lurk moar faggot

>>127454183
>3 years from LA being fully autonomous

is this a flying cars by 2000 thing again

A welfare state is fine in a society, homogenous in the sense that everyone has pride and a strong work ethic, and doesn't want to be collecting benefits if they don't have to.

The bitter pill to swallow for you Europeans is, that we Americans have always been more anti-welfare than you all because we're more experienced with diveristy, particularly blacks. If we were an all-white country like Finland or Denmark, I have no doubt we would have a Scandinavian social democracy model.

As you've opened your doors to hordes of third worlders with lower IQs and very often, chips on their shoulder about whitey, feeling they're "owed" something, you'll have to learn the hard way what the average white American Republican understands, who goes to Wal-Mart and sees it full of non-whites with tons of children, who don't speak English and don't care to assimilate, swiping their EBT card.

>>127452030

Fuck you kraut cunt. There is no hope for you beyond the rope.

>>127452030
if multiKULTi and globalists won, there won't be any more Misaki/Iowa in 3D world, ergo there will be none in 2D lands.
Save the white race for the future of our waifus!

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
Solltest du nicht, aber eine eine liberale Welt ist grotesk. Deutschland sollte wie ein Militär sein.
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
Weil alles andere Zeitverschwendung wäre
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
Sogenannter demokratischer Sozialismus wächst aus Hass auf glückliche Menschen.

>>127454381
The majority of us aren't like this. Most of us would like every country to be free and independent.

>>127452389
Well youre not really coming here with an open mind, youre coming here to spread your globalist nonsense. If the mass rape and terror attacks in your country havent made you believe in closed borders and nationalism, then what will? And you cans still combat global warming without having a globalist one world state, after all nationalistic and fascist countties in the past did cooperate with one another.

The living wage crap is so illogical. Everyone gets free money just for being alive all the while stealing from those who worked for their money. No not a good idea. People should work for a living rather than becoming dependant on handouts. And do i need to remind you that every attempt at socialism has failed - and that the Nordics arent socialist

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
it's in the name, moron
you krauts had a great thing up til the late 90s, lived there
even with the reunification tax
strong economy, german values, working hard, not taking advantage of the systems for gibs, cohesive society, great culture, superb musical tradition
wouldn't you want to keep that?
all of a sudden you import millions of unskilled, uncultured migrants, with no respect for your culture or values, which are a net drag because they only want the gibs, and don't contribute to real jobs
and because they outbreed the existing pop, it won't get any better
congrats, you got multikulti

but you're not probably even german. chances tell me you're a turk

>>127454039
>Globalism and multiculturalism make literally no contribution to a single global issue.

Yes they do. The more global our societies become the easier it is to make global laws and actually enforce them. Right now the world leaders can simply plug their ears when it comes to global warming and pretend it doesn't exist, like Trump does. If there was something like a global government that could force every country to abide by certain laws it would be much easier to fix global warming.

>Liberals actually believe that tweeting about wonder woman and forcing employers to prefer unqualified niggers saves the planet

No, they are separate issues with separate solutions.

>>127454333
>A welfare state is fine in a society, homogenous in the sense that everyone has pride and a strong work ethic, and doesn't want to be collecting benefits if they don't have to.

No, that is the ideal. I am not so delude to believe that a welfare state is perfect and they won't be people trying to milk it, but I believe it is the best for the living standard of the average person. There are going to be less and less jobs available for the average worker and this will lead to an increase in poverty and divide between the rich and poor. A welfare state can actually combat that.

>The bitter pill to swallow for you Europeans is, that we Americans have always been more anti-welfare than you all because we're more experienced with diveristy, particularly blacks.

You Americans were strongly against welfare before blacks had any claims to welfare, back when they were still slaves.

>>127454430
If nationalist like /pol/ won there would be no Iowa either because everything coming from another country is evil.

>>127454741

I wish I could believe that truly I do. I don't want to hate Germans but I'm serious ever single German I've ever met in real life was a typical left wing sjw cuck.

>>127453420
You yourself are quite smug. /pol/acks arent on pol to redpill normies, theyre here to enjoy themselves. They use twitter facebook youtube and all that crap for dropping actual redpils

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>>127452030
>>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?

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fuck off we are full

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>>127454430
Now i'm more motivated than ever.

First red pill: anime is for fags

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>>127452030
>I am leftist,

>>127455498
Come visit our countrysides. Far more agreeable folk, culturally minded and all.

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>>127452030
>a liberal

>>127455478
>If nationalist like /pol/ won there would be no Iowa either because everything coming from another country is evil.
kys

>>127452030
Fuck off back to your third world shithole Ahmed.

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>>127452030
>a globalist

>>127455478

What is the problem you wankers have understanding about climate change? I'm as right wing and conservative as they come and I believe climate change is happening.

I just don't believe humans can prevent it and I have seen zero evidence to support that it is possible.

Also stop calling yourself a liberal if you believe in high taxation and enforcing laws on a global populace. You are a text book authoritarian then, not a liberal.

>>127455765

Maybe that is what I should do. I've been mostly restricted to cities so far in Germany.

Is there hope for Germany still?

>>127454627
>Solltest du nicht, aber eine eine liberale Welt ist grotesk.
Warum?
>Deutschland sollte wie ein Militär sein.
Wie meinst du das?

>Sogenannter demokratischer Sozialismus wächst aus Hass auf glückliche Menschen.
Nein, es ist das Resultat von einer Gesellschaft in der sich reich und arm immer mehr underscheiden.

>>127455345
>Well youre not really coming here with an open mind
What the fuck? I am coming here with people who pretty much have the polar opposite of my opinion, it doesn't get much more open minded.

I do of course have my political believes which is why I am giving you the chance to change them with arguments. Telling me to lurk more or kill myself obviously won't though.

>If the mass rape and terror attacks in your country

We had 1 successful terror attack in Germany. Mass rapes didn't happen either. Yes, individual rapes happened but the refugees committing them are few and far in between. Should we punish all of them for the actions of a few? Most refugees came here because their life is in danger and taking in refugees whose life is in danger is something written into our Grundgesetz.

> And you cans still combat global warming without having a globalist one world state

There is not much success on that front so far. China doesn't care, Russia doesn't care and as of recently America doesn't care anymore either.

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
Because niggers will not rape and kill your children then.
>How can we fix global issues like global warming
Kikes cant spread this hoax if they are gassed.
>when soon most jobs will be automated
We will talk about it when it actually happens.

>>127452030
Why are Germans so obsessed with global warming? Genuinely curious about this

>>127456173
Most of it, yes. We just need a period of reeducation once this current madness has expired.

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
It's not a question of being conservative or not. It's a question of asking why instead of when, whenever a change is proposed.

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
The same reason HOAs work. People love their homes and generally hate their neighbors, and yet they make it work. Why shouldn't the same principle apply to a larger scale? No matter how you're organized, you're always going to have to deal with human shortcomings (greed, lust, etc). It'll always seep into what you're doing, so centralizing everything is the worse choice you can make. The best thing that can be done is segregate humans down to their ethnicities and that each functions in the best way that is appropriate to them.
Globalism and multiculturalism are failed theories, hence why there's been a push towards glocalization for at least 5 years.

>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
They're bad because of the social policies that are implemented and being pursued. These social policies in conjunction with UBI will lead to collapse because of the fracture in cycles of civilization between Western populations and the third-world. The only thing that will result is in unprecedented mass immigration and birthrates until all resources are gone, essentially turning the human race into locusts, until the Earth has no more to give and we go the way of the dinosaurs. There's already too many people on Earth and we're already using resources at a suicidal rate. ( http://archive.is/AbrgB ). While politicians are saying that we need an increase in population, truth is we need a decrease.
There is no alternative. Sooner or later it will be implemented. The only question is whether we'll be extinct because of it or not.

>>127452030
END Money Printing Central Banks ; End The FED
A dishonest money system corrupts everything

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>>127456942
>It's not a question of being conservative or not. It's a question of asking why instead of when, whenever a change is proposed.

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>>127455543
Welfare state is not the same as communism. I think some inequality is acceptable and this is where I differ from communists, I only see the increasing divide between rich and poor and the redistribution of wealth in form of a basic income combats that. I do not want actual communism.

>>127455635
You are on an anime website. Pic related

>>127455835
Nice counter argument, you convinced me :^)

>>127455939
Ich bin nicht nur hier geboren, ich komme aus Schleswig-Holstein und habe blaue Augen und blonde Haare, ich bin weißer als 99% der Poster hier :^)

>>127455941
> I'm as right wing and conservative as they come and I believe climate change is happening.

You are? Then what do you say to Trump supporters, Info wars listeners and other conservatives here on /pol/ who believe its either fake or real but not made?

>I just don't believe humans can prevent it and I have seen zero evidence to support that it is possible.

Why wouldn't humans be able to prevent it when they are causing it? We can literally prevent it by stopping to cause it. Stopping to burn 35 billion barrels of oil a year would be a good start.

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Globalization being a good thing is the greatest piece of propaganda the Elites pushed on the left through emotional appeal. Under the demonstrable empty rhetoric of “all people come together in a multicultural utopia in a world without borders” is has allowed unprecedented amounts of wealth and power to be consolidate in the hands of corporations that have no loyalty to any nation, people or region.
Constantly outsourcing labor to have all people compete on a global market to drive down production cost and working condition, while pooling wealth in the hands of a few allowed the gap between the rich and the poor to widen even further. Social mobility is completely eradicated by now. All the while the cries of “racism and xenophobia” can be gleefully leveled against anybody who does not like it, all the while more people with low tolerance for propaganda style themselves as “global citizens” to feel morally superior, while they are actually grow poorer, no matter where they decide to live.

>>127456426
>We had 1 successful terror attack in Germany
and how many attempted terror attacks? terrorism is fine to you if it doesn't succeed, eh?

>Mass rapes didn't happen either.
mass sexual assaults did, but that's fine, too

>Most refugees came here because their life is in danger
that's why 40% of all middle eastern refugees are 20~40 year old men
who don't work and take in state welfare
and then send that sweet free cash home to their family

your real answer is extreme vetting, and putting a cap on the total number of migrants depending on your infrastructure

Also, why don't you ever advocate for another muslim country, like Saudi Arabia, to take in more migrants? they'd have a lot better time assimilating, instead of going around forcing sharia law down westerners' throats

>global warming
the average temperature of the earth rose by

ONE
WHOPPING
CELSIUS

during the last 100 years
have fun combatting your boogeyman
they also call it "climate change", haven't you been keeping up with your hoax memes?

>>127453420

This is the problem with you lefties. You literally do not know what you are talking about, and demand policy to be formed to address a situation that does not happen the way you imagine it to.

I do process automation. I literally develop systems to maximize the amount of work that can be done, by as few people as possible.

Let me give you a quick thinking experiment.

What happened to the brick & mortar video stores when the internet came around? They shut down. What came as a result? An entirely new industry to support it.

What happened during the industrial revolution? Industry shifted, and in its place many, many more popped up which required even more workers to support.

And so on, and so forth.

If you want to prevent a problem from happening, you can do so by not importing millions of unskilled, do-nothing layabouts that you seem to be calling "refugees" for some reason... but let's face it: they are slaves by another name. Not that you guys will ever admit it to yourselves.

The jobs we have today are not the "be all end all". There will always be more industry to pop up, creating new work, and more jobs.

Whether those jobs will pay or not, that's the difference and that is entirely dependent on whether or not you stop importing millions of people to your country or not.

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>>127452030
Red pill yourself, you are the only one who can discover the truth, not asking /pol/ to do it for you.

>>127455478

We were against welfare back when blacks were slaves? Wow you leftists are stupid. There was nothing even resembling social programs or government intervention into the economy until FDR, nearly a century after the US banned slavery.

People as stupid as you deserve to lose your country, and first world living standards, crime rates, but it's all the based, reasonable people in your country I feel bad for, as well as your children.

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Jews control your mind.

>>127457084
Yeah, keep asking them why at point 3. Since they have no concrete evidence, they'll never be able to pass on to point 4. Don't let them lay out their "arguments", just keep asking why.

>>127452030
Blabla lefty stuff!
As an Austrian who hates you guys it is a joy seeing you go down.

Can't wait for the next good refugee to blow up let's say a school cinema or mall! :)

One last thing i can say is that no matter how far you crawl up a migrant ass, you will still be a infidel!

>>127453420
Why do we need to import tons of shitskins if workplaces will disappear?

Checkmate libshits

>>127452030
lurk faggot

>>127457339

Unlike your left wing hiveminds, this place has varying ideas on what is and isn't true. That is the ultimate red pill on right wing conservatism, we allow the opportunity for all ideas and opinions to exists. Left wing, "liberals" don't tolerate differing opinions.

I don't care about infowars or Trump. If global warming is happening it is a good thing for mankind and the environment. Huge swathes of our planet will become habitable again as a result of this.

There is no evidence that humans can prevent this climate change so we may as well adapt to it rather than cry about it.

>>127456459
Our media wont shut up about it and guilt tripping us about holocausting the planet.

>>127452030

Faggot
Faggot
Faggot

That's what you are.

Kill yourself kraut.

There, the redpill. Kill your own self. Faggot.

Fucking german faggot. Cancer of Europe.

Faggot. You're worse than a jew.

Faggot. KYS.

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>>127452030
the short answer is that the state should never be trusted. this is at the core of all western literature and thought, from the torah to the economic market. no group is so pure as to have authority over the soul of another
the long answer is that humans have a biological imperative to compete, and that inequality is inherent to human society as a result. we should work hard to create equal opportunities to enter 'the game' and access society, the workforce, the marketplace of ideas
we should not however have everything given to us. i was once like you, before i understood where my deep depressions and anxieties where coming from. i loved games and arguing; proxies for competition, and i became happier and more fulfilled as i embraced competition in more avenues of my life. my experience generalizes to almost all humans, and behavioural psychology, existential/stoic philosophy, judeo-christian thought, and sociological analysis of modern societies (and especially modern welfare state) all support this.
beyond this, i suggest you read and digest for yourself
read criticisms of the welfare state
read theories around values systems and learn about what actually makes a person a member of society. we are not just individuals in a melting pot, the chains that bind us are deep, and were very closely tied to geography, before the modern sailboat.
and once you understand how societies are more than just the individual, learn what make our western culture unique. learn the classics. study the greeks. study the bible, it's the most thorough takedown of the state -and elevation of the rights of the human- in all of history, and there's a reason the bible and the modern world have occurred together.
finally, learn about prosperity and morality. it is easy to be kind and virtuous when we are prosperous. you must understand that you are a monster, and you are simply not yet hungry. read jung, spinoza, neitzche, and dostoyevski. at least.
godspeed

>>127456444
>Kikes cant spread this hoax if they are gassed.
Why do you think it is a hoax?

>>127456942
>The same reason HOAs work. People love their homes and generally hate their neighbors, and yet they make it work. Why shouldn't the same principle apply to a larger scale?

Because HOAs don't need to solve global problems like global warming. Because people care much more about their neighbors than some guy from the other side of the world.
But I guess I will ask differently, how DO you think we can solve global warming instead?

>The best thing that can be done is segregate humans down to their ethnicities and that each functions in the best way that is appropriate to them.
Why should people be separated on that basis? What do you gain?

>These social policies in conjunction with UBI will lead to collapse because of the fracture in cycles of civilization between Western populations and the third-world
You state that like it's an undisputed fact. Explain why it would lead to a collapse.

>The only thing that will result is in unprecedented mass immigration and birthrates
How so? Especially impoverished people have high birth rates while middle class families often only have one or no children.

>There's already too many people on Earth and we're already using resources at a suicidal rate.
I agree and the solution to is to use less resources. Electric cars and solar energies would be a massive step to reduce human resource consumption. Conservatives and republicans like Trumps go aggressively against them and try to bring back the oil industry instead.

>While politicians are saying that we need an increase in population, truth is we need a decrease.
I actually completely agree with that, then why is it always conservatives who tell me to find a wife and have 10 children?

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>>127452030
earth is flat

>>127455562
It's safer in Syria than Mexico, no thanks.

>>127452030
If you are german there is only one cure for you and thats bullet.

>>127452030
>German
>Not redpilled

You're literally the reason your continent faces rape and destruction. Your anscestors, if you have any, will shit on you.

>>127458452
>Left wing, "liberals" don't tolerate differing opinions.

You would be surprised, but amazingly enough people at the opposite side of your political spectrum have different opinions too. What a shock!

>I don't care about infowars or Trump. If global warming is happening it is a good thing for mankind and the environment. Huge swathes of our planet will become habitable again as a result of this.

What? if large parts of the world dry out because of the increased heat then that leads to more habitable places?

>There is no evidence that humans can prevent this climate change so we may as well adapt to it rather than cry about it.

Again: we are causing climate change. This is a fact, something almost every climate scientist agrees on. We don't even have to cool the earth, we just have to stop being the ones heating it up.

>>127457379
>and how many attempted terror attacks? terrorism is fine to you if it doesn't succeed, eh?

Fine? No. But it is not acceptable to risk the lives of millions of refugees running from war for try to fight a terrorist attack that wasn't even successful.

>mass sexual assaults did, but that's fine, too
Sexual assault is a big step down from rape. Drunk assholes have groped women on new years eve before and they weren't tossed out from the country.

And again this is a small minority of refugees doing this, most of them haven't raped, molested or killed anyone while they were here.

>that's why 40% of all middle eastern refugees are 20~40 year old men
Yes they are, your point being?

>who don't work and take in state welfare
They aren't even allowed to work for a long time after they arrive here. Of course they need state welfare, or are we supposed to literally have them starve to death?

>and then send that sweet free cash home to their family
That's news to me. Even if they did, there wouldn't be much left considering they barely get more than they need to survive.

The climate change issue is entirely a false set of choices created by Democrats as an attempt on scientific dogma. It's not a binary choice and we don't need Democrats to fix it. Republicans are rightly prioritizing other things because Democrats are making compromise impossible.

>>127459241
>how DO you think we can solve global warming instead?
gee, i don't think human beans can stop a naturally occuring cycle in the earth's climate history
can you prove to me that the current measly warming (barely any increase in average temperature) is for sure due to human CO2 emissions? how many estimations do climate change "scientists" have to get wrong before you're satisfied? "Manhattan will be underwater by 2010. No, 2015. No, wait, we meant 2050."

>solar energies
how many solar panels do you think you'll need just to keep ONE of your cities running with pure solar power? how many square miles of land? how many integrations into your already existing electrical grid?

you do realize conservatives don't disagree with renewable energy. they disagree with CURRENT "green energy" that's inefficient as shit and corrupt as fuck. all green energy has done for you is make it so that it's impossibly hard to start any business that involves manufacturing. all the republican congress has done is just roll back on those stupid regulations, yet lefties act like he's conspiring to end the world.

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>>127452030

>Mass immigration is bad
>Humans are made up of different races but no race is worth more than another.
>Islam is not compatbile with western society
>Globalism/Multiculturalism will destroy western society
>Socialist ideas only work in ethno states
>Jewish elitists (Not jews as a whole) try to subvert western countries.

>>127457379
>Also, why don't you ever advocate for another muslim country, like Saudi Arabia, to take in more migrants? they'd have a lot better time assimilating, instead of going around forcing sharia law down westerners' throats

But I do and Turkey took in more refugees from Syria than any other country. Every country that can should help those fleeing from war.

>the average temperature of the earth rose by ONEWHOPPINGCELSIUS during the last 100 years

Climate change is only going to increase now that countries like China and India are industrialized. Even Africa is starting to get industrialized. Even if climate change will not have a large effect on our generation, are you okay with people 500 years from now having serious problems because of the selfishness of this generation? I would like to leave an inhabitable world behind for my children.

>>127460494
>Fine? No. But it is not acceptable to risk the lives of millions of refugees running from war for try to fight a terrorist attack that wasn't even successful.
A good part of these refugees is not even from war torn countries and basically only flees poverty. Most refugees are 20-40 year old men. If these people who could easily join an armed force come here then who gets left behind? Women, children and ill people. The most vulnerable get left behind by the ones who could protect them. It is the ugly truth but a war is not going to get better if the people who could protect their families run away.

>>127459302
kys flattard

>>127460494
>What? if large parts of the world dry out because of the increased heat then that leads to more habitable places?
no, a warmer earth is a wetter earth. more carbon, more water, means more plants. we have the lowest level of fauna in any non-cataclysmic period at the moment, the lowest carbon levels, too. we're actually looking at entering a full ice age soon, if carbon continues to deplete
>Sexual assault is a big step down from rape. Drunk assholes have groped women on new years eve before and they weren't tossed out from the country.
they cornered over a thousand women, more than a hundred were raped, all experienced taht real threat
>while they were here
that says it right? i think rapists should be killed, you just think they should be put in hte corner
> Of course they need state welfare
that's why theyre coming. only ~5% are actually refugees, most are north african economic migrant that come accros through libya anyway.

>>127458452
1: you allow different opinions, except if its left-wing. see how the first comment says: "kill yourelf"?

2: there may be no evidence we can stop it, but there is also no evidence we cannot. as a dutchman, whos country will largely flood becouse of this i can at least ask to try.

>>127460739
stereotypical /pol/ points

wrong as always

>>127461392
>no proof
>ignores that it's the popular answer because it's correct
of course your bulgarian. just move to turkey already. erdogans gonna be raping you soon anyway

>>127460494
>But it is not acceptable to risk the lives of millions of refugees running from war for try to fight a terrorist attack that wasn't even successful.
yeah, wouldn't it be great if another muslim country took in migrants? Like, Saudi Arabia, for example? Kuwait? Yemen?

>Drunk assholes have groped women on new years eve before and they weren't tossed out from the country.
yeah, and they got jailed/fined. what punishments did the migrant sex aggressors face? i'm fine with taking migrants IF they're willing to ASSIMILATE. and the hard truth is, muslims don't assimilate into western culture. "moderate" muslims are complicit in terrorist activities. they professed that they will not be active in stopping extremist muslims, because it violates their faith. if you want them to assimilate, perhaps you should enforce your virtues and principles on them when it matters - if you have any virtues or principles left, that is, aside from "let's be kind and caring!" which is hardly a virtue at all. it's just naivism.

>Every country that can should help those fleeing from war.
a "country" doesn't help a migrant. a citizen does. the help should be voluntary. right now, everyone's forced to help a migrant. it's just imposed as a tax on you. and this isn't morally right, at all. it's theft.

>Even if climate change will not have a large effect on our generation, are you okay with people 500 years from now having serious problems because of the selfishness of this generation?
oh, so the estimated time of earth's doom is 2517, now? i think we're fine with fossil fuels for now, then.

>>127452199
fpbp
>>127452257
also this
>>127452389
lurk more post less

>>127461542
you seem butthurt that I am right

>muh proofs
those points are so retarded, that they are not worth mentioning

>>127452030
If you keep taking in immigrants your country will end up like south africa.
Everyone you know and love will be raped and killed and you will be stripped of your rights simply because of your race.

>>127460945
>Every country that can should help those fleeing from war.
These are parasites, invaders and colonists of Islam. They should be stopped dead at the border and put into camps. giving them money, homes and welfare leads to rat like procreation and proliferation of islamic terror and politics. Its active suicide for the west. Even dumb leftists should be able to see that.

>>127452030
This is a fake reality. Nothing matters. Nothing is real. You must kill yourself to find the true reality. It is a test of courage. Only the strong can experience the true reality, and suicide is the only way.

>>127452389
You don't walk in and ask for a redpill you stupid faggot.
It's something that one day you just get after sorting out all of the information you get exposed to here.

>>127455478
>global warming
Doesn't matter.
Prove global warming without appealing to authority.

>>127455478
>If nationalist like /pol/ won there would be no Iowa either because everything coming from another country is evil.
That's not how nationalism works dipshit.

I sometimes wonder why the useful idiots of the globalists can't figure out by themselves why importing mass-rape and terrorism is a bad thing.
It should be pretty obvious, shouldn't it?

>>127462036
When were you raped irl? Are you really that afraid of some brown person raping your hairy anus?
And do you really think that refugees are responsible for terrorism?

gay

>>127462036
it should, but unfortunately the woman have to get raped to learn. i dont want any filthy nigger genes in my children's future.

>>127456426
>Mass rapes didn't happen either
They did.
>individual rapes happened but the refugees committing them are few and far in between
Wrong.
You clearly believe whatever the official media feeds you.
You can't think for yourself and you can't form arguments that are your own.
You're another brainwashed tool.
Lurk here for a good long time. You'll eventually learn to think for yourself and question authority. Only then will you be able to understand us. The people who originally used this site figured out how to stop taking ideas from others. Now our ideas are contagious.

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>>127452030
>global warming is a hoax
>universal basic income is a hoax
Checkmate faggot.

>>127462277
It must seem crazy to you that somebody would want their town, their country, to be like it was when his grandfather built it, rather than harboring shitty Muslim ghettos all over the place and a nation named after the ethnic fabric of its inhabitants becoming a squabbling shithole of different ethnic makeups voting against one another for power in a nation like America.

>>127452030
You're mistaken /pol/ isn't about being a conservative it's an echo chamber for racism and generally being a degenerate

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>>127459241
>But I guess I will ask differently, how DO you think we can solve global warming instead?
Population control. Pic related.

>Why should people be separated on that basis? What do you gain?
Because of how humans are at a biological level with the loyalty ladder. As for what is gained, how about starting with all that was lost in the last 50 odd years.

>You state that like it's an undisputed fact. Explain why it would lead to a collapse.
Fracture in cycles of civilization. That was pretty clear. If you don't know what a civilizational cycle is or how it can and is affected, that's not really my problem, but research is your friend.

>How so?
Again, cycles of civilization.

>I agree and the solution to is to use less resources.
You can't really use less resources when you constantly push for an increase in immigration, on the basis that it grows the economy, when in reality in only grows in lock-step with GDP only accounting for the increase in consumption.

>Electric cars and solar energies would be a massive step to reduce human resource consumption.
No, they wouldn't. Extracting the resources to create the batteries for your electric car, is as bad as a normal car's pollution over its lifetime. Truth is that our batteries suck and are incredibly toxic for the environment. Same thing with solar power. Until we reach a certain threshold of return of energy, iirc 35%, then it is not beneficial to the environment.

>Conservatives and republicans like Trumps go aggressively against them and try to bring back the oil industry instead.
Oil will always be a part of our industries, too much relies on it. But we should reduce our dependence on it, if not only for the sake of innovation.

>I actually completely agree with that, then why is it always conservatives who tell me to find a wife and have 10 children?
You really can't figure that one out? It's quite simple.

>>127452030 (OP)
here OP:
>>127458629
>>127458629
>>127458629

go figure your shit out yourself. stop being agreeable, and going with the flow. stop neurotically letting other people make up your mind for you. stop letting confident retards con you with little more than showmanship and emotional manipulation. pick up a book, challenge your ideas, and convince yourself that what you believe is true. if you dtudy hard, criticise your ideology, and still feel like globalism, liberalism, and state-worship is the right belief, then youll be better for it, and you'll be able to convince the rest of us.

>>127462277
When were you raped irl? Were you raped so often and so badly that now you're actually not afraid of some brown person raping your wife/daughters (assuming you even have a wife, cuck)?
And do you really think that most refugees would stop a terrorist if they see one?

gay

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>So I am here to give you the chance to red pill me.

Kek, everything in your replies suggest the opposite. You will never change your mind and we will never change ours so fuck of back to plebbit faggot.

Reminder that Globalism is just a euphemism for imperialism and brainwashed cucks like Op really believe that it will benefit the average person instead of only the imperialists at the top.

He is the same sort of faggot that points to the economic growth of his country as an example of how good globalism is and then he will be protesting the fact that 90% of the wealth is filtering to only 8% of the population.

Stop giving your authority to those who oppress you. It's what you stand for except you go against it.

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>>127455478
>Yes they do. The more global our societies become the easier it is to make global laws and actually enforce them.
so you're saying multicultural societies are easier to brainwash
really juggles my wongles

>>127462987
this is my interpretation. the algerian is either a rapist, or has been raped so many times by his precious "refugees" that he's beyond simple ideas like consent. it's tehir culture right?

wanting to protect women from harm is the first step to becoming a nationalist. globalists can't allow their slaves to think that rape, violence, or abortion are bad, because they might actually try to stop it.

Damn there are so many replies now that it is hard to follow. Sorry if I don't reply to you.

>>127460643
>gee, i don't think human beans can stop a naturally occuring cycle in the earth's climate history
It's not a natural cycle. Climate took ten thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years to change by just 1 or 2 degree. At the current speed our climate changes at 1 degree in less than a century.

>an you prove to me that the current measly warming (barely any increase in average temperature) is for sure due to human CO2 emissions?
That depends on whether or not you are able to accept scientific facts. I am not a climate scientist and this not a political question, but when every single scientist organization on this world including the one that shoot people to the fucking moon tells you that climate change is real then it is worth considering that is more than just a giant conspiracy.
>how many estimations do climate change "scientists" have to get wrong before you're satisfied? "Manhattan will be underwater by 2010. No, 2015

Give me any source saying that Manhattan will be underwater by 2010. It's bullshit. No real climate scientist will make that claim.
Climate change is going to put a whole lot under water any time soon, but it will slowly dry the world out. This isn't so much a question about immediate danger as it is about leaving behind a habitable world for the next generations.

>how many solar panels do you think you'll need just to keep ONE of your cities running with pure solar power?

That obviously depends on the size of the city, the location, average sunny hours per day, ability to store energy, etc. Also there are other forms of renewable energy, Especially here in northern Germany we get large portions or our energy produced by wind mills. Our Bundesland (German version of a state) has 75% of its entire energy consuption covered by green energy, and that is mostly just from windmills alone.

>>127463619
>Climate change is going to put a whole lot under water any time soon

is not going to*

>>127463619
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/

>>127463619
do yo really want to distract now from the rapefugee invasion by talking about the climate crap nonsense ? good job leftnut

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>>127452030
1.Because otherwise you will live in a califate and thrown from a roof.
2.Global warming is a fraud.
3.National Socialism is ok with basic income.Time will be spent on conquering space and snatching thot sex slaves.

>>127452030
>I am leftist, a globalist, a liberal
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone

Liberals are not left
The left as an ideology are anti globalists
Universal income is an idea that came from the right


Fuck off jew, try again

>>127452030
If you want your country to become Brazil, keep following the path you are following.
Simple

>>127464353
The whole left and right meme is useless anyway. You need at least 2 axis to determine ideologies.

>>127452030
Ultimate Redpill: Traps are not gay.

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>>127452030

You're a fucking germ, the only pill you should be taking is the fucking cyanide pill.

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>>127452030
http://www.dailywire.com/news/16917/leftist-white-professor-targeted-sjws-when-he-wont-hank-berrien
There you go. That's all you need to know. Your lot fights for segregation and racism because they feel like their entitled white asses are morally superior to anyone in this world and they're ready to use any means available to prove it. They're the totalitarian mob fighting against common sense, the apotheosis of everything wrong with the Western society. And you associate yourself with them.
Quite ironic, isn't it?

>>127464353

>Universal income came from the right
>Left is anti globalist

Stop shitposting Dumitru and go back to studying the BAC is right around the corner.

>>127463619
>every single scientist organization on this world including the one that shoot people to the fucking moon tells you that climate change is real then it is worth considering that is more than just a giant conspiracy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

>Our Bundesland (German version of a state) has 75% of its entire energy consuption covered by green energy, and that is mostly just from windmills alone.
great, more power to you. if that stuff works, then use it. it doesn't work in most places. that's why we shouldn't use it AND that's why you should not act like opposers of green energy are heartless people who don't care about the earth

the truth of the matter is that most of a liberal's concerns is everyone's concern. the reason why there's a "conservative" blowback is because they want things done WITHIN the rules and with the correct principles in place. Conservatives don't hate green energy. They hate how democrats broke the rules to force it to happen. Conservatives don't hate migrants. They hate it when people ignore its dangers. there are always cons to every point you suggested:
-turkey took in the most migrants. and they're having a BAD time
-MOST migrants don't commit terrorist activities. But ONE might. And the "one or two" terrorists you find are ALWAYS connected to Islam
-renewable energy depends on location, time, the size of the city. wow, that's a lot of factors to account for. i wonder just how much of it we can actually use? and why have green energy companies been subsidized for nearly a decade now, and the technology hasn't changed at all since its start?

>>127452030
The only redplill you need to take is to go sleep on train tracks

>>127454183
Make a prediction in the short term, let's say 3 years. In 3 years check your prediction. After seeing how wrong you are, start revising your premises.

>>127461124
>A good part of these refugees is not even from war torn countries and basically only flees poverty
If they do not come from a region declared as being affected by the war their asylum application is being rejected.

>Most refugees are 20-40 year old men.
Yeah, what about it? Did you expect a lot of 70+ year old people to walk through multiple counties by foot to arrive here?

>If these people who could easily join an armed force come here then who gets left behind? Women, children and ill people. The most vulnerable get left behind by the ones who could protect them.
If other countries were more open to taking them in they could take refuge too.

>>127461356
>no, a warmer earth is a wetter earth. more carbon, more water, means more plants.

Yes as we all know that deserts, the warmest places on earth, are known for their vast plant life wetlands :^)

>we're actually looking at entering a full ice age soon
Sure we are. This is why our temperature is increasing at over 1 degree at less than 100 years, which is unprecedented in the history of the earth. Because we are entering an ice age any day now :^)

>they cornered over a thousand women, more than a hundred were raped, all experienced taht real threat
It's funny that 90% of the right wingers in Germany are male then when it's all about women's safety.

>that says it right? i think rapists should be killed, you just think they should be put in hte corner
No, I think they should be thrown into prison and then be deported. I have no sympathy for rapists, refugee or not.

>that's why theyre coming. only ~5% are actually refugees, most are north african economic migrant that come accros through libya anyway.
Where do you get the 5% from? And as I said above, if they can't prove they come from a region affected by the war their asylum application gets rejected and they get deported.

>>127462987
kek
Might as well get rid of men if you will try to stop rape, but you won't stop being obsessed with rape specifically by refugees. Really makes me hmmm

>a refugee would never stob a terrorist!
a refugee stopping a terrorist attack is as likely as a native european stopping one.

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Let's do this quick.
>Hitler was right all along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s
>Mass immigration will never solve anything and only create more suffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
>Nationalism is more friendly to other cultures than multiculturalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm_J-tNUws0
>Islam will ruin western society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQb4JHaxos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
>Gun control is useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

>>127452030
If universal basic income is coming, why do you want to increase your population with migrants?

open your volskish eyes retard.
(((a certain group of people))) was behind:

the Islamic colonization of Europe in medieval times

the reduction of european population through the spread of disease (the black plague)

the modern white genocide: low fertility rate pushed by porn, a 100% jewish owned business, for example, and the replacement of native european population with muslims (average iq 85)

internet censorship against anything that doesn't align with a pro (((israel))) agenda

not enough of a red pill for you?
I guess you'll have to be genocided by (((them))) to be convinced.

>>127465250
>If they do not come from a region declared as being affected by the war their asylum application is being rejected.
It is not and many of them stay here for years.
>Yeah, what about it? Did you expect a lot of 70+ year old people to walk through multiple counties by foot to arrive here?
Maybe the children should be saved and adults should not run away and leave the vulnerable behind?
>If other countries were more open to taking them in they could take refuge too.
Wouldn't change a thing most people fleeing will still be men who could protect others.

>>127465250
>Yes as we all know that deserts, the warmest places on earth, are known for their vast plant life wetlands :^)
and when rainforests cool, they die you dumb shit. deserts dont have a water cycle. that's why theyre so fucking dry. rainforests are commonly warmer than deserts, and theyre wet. you smug fucking retard.
im done with you. this thread is full of obviously investigatable claims and directions on how to learn about non-cucked values. if you just want to be a smug know it all asshole go back to facebook.

>>127452030

>Why should I want a conservative society?
You shouldn't you should want to live in a Fascist or Reactionary society.
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
Competition is the mother of all progress, if you turn everyone into a centralized globalized gray mess will destroy competition.
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
Because it makes the population weak, and dependent turning most of the populous into useless meat blobs.

>convince me! Convince me!
No one cares if you believe in bullshit or not. Your decision to drink the kool aid is none of my business.

>>127465446
Seriously,
>more people
>less dollar for everyone
It would only increase your dollar if everyone migrated was the best and brightest or the hardest working.

You're getting neither.
Have fun justifying paying a living wage for some Islamic nigger to push a button twice a day and call that work.

>>127465900
It's amazing that this thread has so many replies for a German Cuck. Reminder to sage.

>>127452030
>I am leftist, a globalist, a liberal, blue pilled,
That's quite a larp, fella. are you sure you can pull it off?

>>127466213
yeah i fucked up. should just saged this dead man.

>if they can't prove they come from a region affected by the war their asylum application gets rejected and they get deported.

k, then. its not like half of africa and middle east is some kind of a war zone. lots of wartorn countries have big populations.

and why are there so many refugees from Morocco and Tunisia here, I dont see any war going on there

>refugees being mostly male is no problem for me

ok

If you aren't on the red side by now you don't want to be so anything I post will be considered irrelevent but

Conservatism leads to a republic in which states have control over legislation
Government is majorly incompetent and individual problems matter more in a state controlled environment

Global warming isn't real
International law won't be followed not matter what due to cultural and ethical differences

Socialism leads to communism
Capitalism works best when there majority of works are white color which is the trend that will happen if jobs become automated
The major problem we are facing is that majority government has only one major sustainable financial model which is to keep increasing population to meet taxation needs
If said population stops growing, particular in white culture their economic model falls apart
In order to counter this democratic legislation pushes immigration in order to continue to stay in power and secure the votes of the immigrants who will vote blue since they are dependent on the state

>>127452199
>>127452257
>>127452657
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>>127453045
You guys all lost the argument. The second you use Ad Hominem, you lose. Maybe instead of saying "I'm right; you're wrong; fuck you" you could say "I'm right because..." "you're wrong because" "fuck you BECAUSE..."
>if you devolve into name calling and insults it stops being a discussion and starts being a "safe space"
>I know many of you are probably from r/touching_eachother's_dicks, but once you're here on /pol/ there's a different way of doing things. Try approaching the discussion from a logical standpoint.

Take an atheist arguement for example. Let's say an atheist and a theist are trying to discuss God.
>let's say the atheist says "heheh, god isn't real fag, stop believing in fairytales" and tips his fedora
>let's say the theist says "well you're just a faggot fedora tipper who'll be burning in hell some day" and pulls out a pocket bible or something
Neither party won the argument. At this point they're just fighting aimlessly and attempting to make each other mad. Neither the atheist nor the theist have converted the other to their cause. In fact, it's quite the contrary, both groups have driven each other AWAY and thus the atheist becomes less of a believer; the theist likewise wants to believe even more.
>you aren't proving anything, besides the fact that you have terrible conversation skills

>Universal basic income
>pay my taxes to suport NEET lifestyle

Fuck off. Want money, work for it, don't waste mine. My tax money is not for some useless NEET like you.

>>127455543
Top KEK image. Saved for future use. Nothing can beat the wisdom of experience

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>>127452030
Liberalism is for women and weak, effeminate, physically and sexually harmless men.
Pic related

>>127466519
>my tax money was speficially made for this!

you don't have a say in what your tax money will be used on.

>>127461641
>yeah, wouldn't it be great if another muslim country took in migrants? Like, Saudi Arabia, for example? Kuwait? Yemen?
Yes, it would be great. The more the countries help each other, the better. And as I said before, Turkey took in more Syrian refugees than any other country.

>yeah, and they got jailed/fined. what punishments did the migrant sex aggressors face?
Refugees have gotten jail time and been deported before.

>the hard truth is, muslims don't assimilate into western culture. "moderate" muslims are complicit in terrorist activities.
That is just wrong. A small minority of refugees who are terrorists to not represent the majority. If you can't abide by the laws in Germany and go around shooting or raping people then yes, you should get thrown into jail and deported. But for the other 99% who behave themselves there is no reason to deport them or shut our borders close so they can't take refuge from war.

>f you want them to assimilate, perhaps you should enforce your virtues and principles on them
But that is what we are doing, a lot of effort is put into educating them of western values, teaching them respect of women and teaching them our language.

>a "country" doesn't help a migrant. a citizen does. the help should be voluntary.
Everyone is forced to help poor people with their taxes. Everyone is forced to help ill people with their taxes. This is how helping people who need it is the most efficient. How many individual people do you think have the resources to house refugees on their own, even if they want to help?

I don't think taxation is theft.

>oh, so the estimated time of earth's doom is 2517, now?
There is no estimate time for doom. The world isn't going to end over night, it will gradually dry out and the number of natural disasters is going to gradually increase.
Why do you only want to stop heating up the world when climate change has progressed so far that it is a massive problem? Why not solve it at it's roots?

>>127466329
>Socialism leads to communism
Wrong. Communism is a utopia, nothing leads to it because it's unreachable. It is used by the socialist government to indoctrinate its people into obedience.

>>127466213
thats why germany is lost. there are just too many brainwashed retards like this in cuckistan

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>>127452030
here drink this

>>127466735
Yeah, Yeah.
No True Communism

Don't you have any other speaking points?

Pochemu ty dashi atvetil

>>127466728
>>127466728
>That is just wrong. A small minority of refugees who
blah blah blah no
you are WRONG!
you do not understand what western culture is, so how could you see it in african mulsims?
you KNOW NOTHING baout what you are speaking
learn even the fundamental actions of western culture and you will see, quickly and obviously, the ISLAM DOES NOT SHARE THESE VALUES
read the greeks
read the classics
read the bible

then read th quran and the hadiths
there is literally no common ground. there is no semblance of how the values imbued within western culture are shared at all with islam
you god damn fucking cuck

>>127464901
>Left is anti globalist
It is. Globalism is a new term for capitalist imperialism. If I were left I would be anti globalism.

>>127452030
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
You've pointed out one of the most important functions of government, which is to use force to coordinate action that has a collective benefit. I agree with you that this is necessary. However, the officials in the only global governing bodies that you have, the EU and the UN, are not elected, they are appointed. Therefore they have no necessary tie to the will of the people that they govern.

Furthermore, unchecked globalist power leads to global interests subsuming local ones, and essentially the more globalist nations get taken for a ride due to their concern for the globe as a whole. E.g. taking in refugees when the Saudis won't take in any. So even if we have a democratic global or continental government, it still needs to be much more restrained than the national government. It should only handle issues with truly continental or global externalities.

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>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
Pic related, only need to read paragraphs 4-6 and be open minded. The whole text is a good read.
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?

If all nations cared about themselves enough to improve themselves, aspire to be great, then this is a non-issue, but it's not the case sadly.

About global warming: it was gonna happen with or without humans. I can copypaste more about this later if you wish.

>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?

Obviously a heavily altered form of communism is inevitable when that happens, but until then talking about that is pointless. Provide the situation and the answers will come naturally.
About the 1st part of that question: providing basic income for everyone means someone has to pay for someone else's salary in the form of taxes. obviously not everyone is fine with that and consider it theft, which it is. Pretty understandable.

>>127467024
Кoммyнизм кaк кoнцeпция нeдocтижим пo oднoй пpичинe - oн пoдpaзyмeвaeт чтo чeлoвeк гoтoв oтдaть вcё, чтo y нeгo ecть, ocтaльным, и нe зaбиpaть бoльшe, чeм eмy нyжнo. Heт cмыcлa дaжe гoвopить, нacкoлькo cильнo этo идёт пpoтив бaнaльнoй чeлoвeчecкoй пpиpoды. И дoкoлe ты нe вoздвигнeшь гocyдapcтвo из бeзвoльных poбoтoв c тaкими жe poбoтaми бeз жeлaний, cтpeмлeний и aмбиций вo глaвe, кoммyнизмa ты нe дocтигнeшь.
So fuck off already, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>127467441
I also like reading fantasy books

The only difference is that I know the difference between reality and fantasy and don't try to mix the two

>>127467662
Not an argument.

>>127467345

Have you ever herd of the communist INTERNATIONALE?
And do you know how many regulations the EU and UN impose and how much gibs they give?

>>127453420
IMO a pre-cursor to UBI would be something like the following: the government buys stock in the automated labor of machines, and uses the profit from that automated labor to lower taxes. Eventually machines will pay all our taxes for us. Once machines actually start generating a surplus for the government, then and only then should we start distributing that money as UBI. (I suspect this would take a long time- it might not even happen within our lifetimes).

>>127452030

You are the German making those annoying "Brexit bad, eternal anglo" threads, don't you?

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>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
"Conservative" is a loaded term with a lot of connotations that I think are unhelpful. Richard Spencer put it best in a debate with a black conservative when he asked "what are you conserving?" Mainstream conservatives seem to care about conserving little more than money. For most /pol/acks, we are above all else conserving our people and culture, because we think they are worthy of existence. There is a genetic component to intelligence, temperament and physical ability that differs among the races that were naturally selected in different environments. Germany killed all the people who were too dumb to survive a winter herself. This led to a population that was suited for it's land. Traits like co-operation, planning ahead, and endurance came forward from environmental factors that were not present in Australia for example, thus the aboriginal people of Australia have less of these characteristics that are positive in Northern Europe.
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
I think you can have both a nationalistic society and care about the world at large, especially in the case of something like ocean pollution, which effects the nation. A global state would be completely unstable without being repressive, because humans have deep natural instincts to be tribal. The reason tribalism worked is that unity allows domination, and other tribes had to unite in response to the threat of external unity, or be dominated by united peoples. There is nothing for the entire world to unite against, and unless aliens come to try to destroy the planet, this will remain the case.

>>127452030
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
I don't understand where the income would be taken from if everyone was being paid to live. Would the few who were ambitious enough to work more than they had to have to pay disproportionate tax to prop up everyone else? A degree of socialism is fine, and seemed to work well in Nazi Germany, but it was more about getting people work than throwing money at them, from what I understand, and keeping businesses from being too exploitative of their workers. Socialist policies haven't worked well in America. Black women are being paid more for every fatherless child they have for example (over 50% of American blacks have absent fathers), and they notoriously spend food stamps on snacks.

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
you want something in the middle actually. Nationalism is important, having your country for your people first is very important, a country is to culture what a home is to people. You woldn't pull the doors off your house and put "free housing for homeless" sign on your front lawn, would you? They'd steal all your shit, kill your dog, fuck your family, eat you, shoot up drugs, everything you worked for would be destroyed.

you'd want at least some kind of trust establishment on who you're letting into your house, right? for your own safety at the very least.

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?

being nationalistic and not giving a shit about the environment are two separate issues, but globalist policies allowing businesses to pick up and move to the cheapest place to manufacture does much more harm than making them produce locally in your country where they have to adhere to your rules.

>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated?
no population control, read: worthless people reproducing en masse.

What is the alternative?

the ideal system is a sort of feudal, nationalistic meritocracy. where there is a basic income but birth is regulated to people of merit and where becoming a person of merit is inceitivized.

This would likely give birth to a dual caste system of soldiers and scientists but now we're talking fantasy dreams.

the next best alternative is to introduce heavy regulations on who can have children. In other words if you cant support raising kids on your own then it's a felony.

>>127465250
>If they do not come from a region declared as being affected by the war
rapefugees and leeches would never lie to your authorities, right?

>>127467800
You don't need to argue with history
You can be blind to the truth and that's fine

But do you know what is the definition of insanity?
It's doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result each time

>>127466728
>A small minority of refugees
he wasn't talking about just refugees you nut wit, whole Islam as an ideology is against anything of Western values

>>127452030
This board isn't the best to tool for understanding right wing ideologies. People will just call you names. I would recommend looking into libertarianism. It supports a liberal society with free market capitalism.

Fact: niggers have lower IQs. Equality is nonsense espoused by faggots and niggers who need white people to babysit them

You think if we don't let savages into our schools and churches that people should show up with guns and put us in prison

Instead of being man enough to be superior, you pathetically piss away your prosperity and women to lesser men.

You're a dysgenic disgrace to humanity.

>>127452030
Lurk moar, Volksverräter

>>127452030
You should be libertarian. Why trust the government to work for you when it always becomes corrupt and works against you

>>127459241
>I actually completely agree with that, then why is it always conservatives who tell me to find a wife and have 10 children?

Overpopulation is just a meme, see vid related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w

But conservatives probably want you to have children because you are white, and whites have a higher IQ than most other racial/ethnic groups (except Asians and Jews).

>>127466735
Communism is a dystopia, not utopia

I'm someone who goes beyond saying it isn't feasible, by being against the core ideas of communism.

>>127467806
>the communist INTERNATIONALE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVB3YGIUk0

kiki. Ma oboseste sa vorbesc in engleza. Comunistii au fost niste fascisti globalisti care au vrut sa conduca lumea, doar ca s-au folosit de saracii tarani si muncitori sa le vanda gogosi.

>>127452030
>im here to be redpilled
You should start by losing the anime.
Reported for "redpill me threads"

>>127455783
>doublethink.jpg
None are true except
#2 (only in the eyes of their government - egalitarian)
#18 (the wealthy are shilling flat tax hard mode for a reason)
#19 (the fetus is not a living being until birth, just like it's always been for past ten thousand years)
#20 (Corporations are responsible for their pollution, even carbon pollutants)
#21 (Why wouldn't we want our fellow Americans to succeed?)

>>127468621
where do you think we are
also redpill me threads are allowed so long as you provide some input yourself

>>127468593
>, by being against the core ideas of communism.
No gods
No government
Stateless society
Just intelligent free people working for themselves and the good of their communities (communes)

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>>127463619
>Damn there are so many replies now that it is hard to follow. Sorry if I don't reply to you.
yep, totally not because these people are making good points and you can't refute them

>>127460945
>I would like to leave an inhabitable world behind for my children.
You shouldn't even fucking breed, dude. No woman will ever want a pathetic cuck like you.

>>127455543
>socialist revolution aka wealth redistribution
/pol/tards really will repost pictures of any post that's so much as a paragraph long and agrees with their mindset, won't they?

Damn that was quite a LARP. I think I did pretty good though :^)

>>127457084
I want to dress like that smooth motherfucker when I'm his age

>>127452030
>how can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
First of all, straw man. Second of all, you can't fix the world before you fix yourself. There is nothing anti-climate care about nationalism, in fact, nationalism is by nature pro-environmental, and supportive of living in tune with nature. More below \/ \/
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
This is trying to ask for a bandaid to a problem caused by a problem without understanding the root cause.
Automation is an age old threat, and the answer to essentially all your questions can be found within nazi ideology (Not the racial element, unlike most here I'm more of a universalist, more religious myself, but I sympathize with ethnonationalists of all colours). Specifically the work of Gottfried Feder.
Feder inspired the nazi ideology basically, not the racial components, but the more economic and technocratic ideas they had. Feder was the original chief technocratic head thinker of Nazi Germany, during it's formative years, before they got practical and focused on development and war, and most of his ideas were too revolutionary for the old guard type political leaders who surrounded Hitler to accept, but here's a run down of what he envisioned:

>>127472114

A technocratic socialist state.
Breaking this down, the socialist part is unlike what you are used to, it's something like capitalism but designed to support the growth of the people and the welfare of it's citizens, in multiple aspects, and specifically to ban usury. They would have a nationalized central bank which would use a currency compared to the value of work Germany output instead of the value of their gold. They "produced money" by making work happen, and producing goods, which they did by creating youth programs where young germans earned their "citizenship" (rights to social benefits) by working in a government group or labour program for a cheap wage or by volunteer, so it instilled a work ethic in everyone. They also nationalized the natural resources, so those profits went to the state which overall contributed to increasing the value of German currency, decreased the inflation of goods. This was the alternative to profit based interest loans to individuals (usury).
Breaking down the technocratic part, technocrats are people in engineering, civil engineering, now computer science, etc, and Feder was very involved in educating and directing the technocrats of Germany on how their work affected the overall culture and soul of the nation. Technocracy answers both your questions, in a hybrid way:

>>127472224
Machination was also an issue back then that was taking jobs, and Feder wanted to address it by essentially stepping in to control industries, and keeping them from turning jobs away from people when it wasn’t necessary. Another thing he wrote about was the breakdown of denser population groups into “garden cities”, more independent sub cities or towns that would produce more goods and food for themselves, than relying on the outside world. Garden cities brought man closer to nature, created more work (we love work, it’s good for the soul), and made smaller high trust communities which leads to more nationalistic spirit and all that good shit.
Feder also wanted to redistribute the industry of Germany (never happened obv). Meaning they would re-setup factories across the country so that the labour was spread out and gave these smaller communities more of their own resources with which to export, making more communities more self-sustaining.

These are radically revolutionary ideas even for today. You can read more about it in this article:> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264649939_Nazi_Technical_Thought_Revisited

>>127471827
Goddamnit, well I already wrote it all.

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>>127452030
>Why should i want a conservative society?

Because in a godless world, no moral system is better than any other. Your countries philosophy and morals have changed more than anyone elses during the last years. A conservative society will not have as much of a fluid moral system.

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in antionalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?

Just because we care about our own nation and culture, does not mean we dont care for the world as a whole. We all live on this planet and we will all benefit from treaties for taking good care of it.

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>>127471827
Well played Hans, well played.

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>>127467427
Underrated, excellent read. Saved.

>>127452030
>why should I want a conservativ society
Easy to explain. Humans have intrests, if those intrests are opposed, Hamiltons law implies that the less related those with opposite intrests are the higher is the liklyhood of armed conflict, also the more different humans are genetically they also have different intrests (Hamiltons extend law, elaborted in by Frank Salter book on genetic interests interests)
>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
In short and simple terms we can't, there are more influental factors at play than humans. Most climate scientists are the laughting stock of serious physicists and meterologists. We can't even predict the weather beyond the next 14 days, with very good reliability even less far.
>>127452030
>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?
The singularity is a meme human Need is unlimited. For a fact many things won't be automated, because of ethical problems and many won't for Computational reasons. And there will be a demand for specifically human manufractured goods and serices Computers can't provide.

>>127466258
Honorable mention to the big winner of the thread. You put a big grin on my face and it was hard to keep it up afterwards.

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>>127452030
>Flag
No need to convince you senpai. You'll feel how wrong you are within 20 years.

In case your belief in globalism is actually due to your environment, here's literally everything you need.

http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/

Step 1 is to actually put some work into improving yourself, rather than being an attention whore on 4chan.

>>127456459
It's the newest LE EVUL STUPID RIGHTI WINGERS meme

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>>127452257
you're on /pol/ so apperently you at least mildly care about others opinions so shut the fuck up or leave

>>127452969
Nope, in recent years they've been somewhat accurate. Any job a human can do can and will be replaced by a neural network because buying a machine for one lump sum is much cheaper than paying wageslaves in our capitalist world.

>>127453230
High end 3D printers can print metals, blacksmiths are no longer needed.

>>127454039
Modern liberals are fucking idiots, but what globalism actually stands for is uniting the globe and advancing humanity.

>>127452030
Well honestly op you should've known this would happen. The rightists of this board don't give a flying fuck about your (((logic))) and (((opinions)))

>>127467427
I can't even conprehend how could someone write something so delusional. I didn't read all of it, only the first two points about women, so I won't speak about the whole text, only about the passages I read.

Women should not be allowed to vote because it separates the wife and husband. Yes, it may do so. Maybe because they are different human beings with different understanding about the world? And even if do have different understandings/political opinions that doesnt mean this in any ways affects their relationship. It your relationship is so fragile that you cannot overcome the differences in your characters on such basic levels, it's not the difference in political views the thing that would lead to separation.

Women should not be allowed to work because it introduces twice as many workers and lowers the average wage. This is bullshit in so many levels. Let's say you have 100 people and 90 workplaces (given unemployment rate of 10 percent which is pretty normal). You cut the workforce in 2 and then you have 50 people going for those 90 jobs. Of course these people will be better paid, but 40 of these workplaces will be left unmanned.

>B-but women were "artificially introduced" to the work market.

No, they weren't. If they were, the nature of the capitalistic market would have pushed the excessive workforce by now. But it has not. There are enough workplaces for a large majority of both men and women.
There are many more points, regarding family and biology which are downright wrong and degrading and I don't feel like typing anymore.

I work as a programmer and I can assure you some of my best friends and best programmers I know are women. Yes they can be more impulsive and tend yo be more emotional, but in the end of the day their IQ is much higher than maybe 99% of the population.

If they werent allowed to work, wouldn't have we missed out on quality workforce, draging the quality of products down?

>>127452030
>Why should I want a conservative society?
You're not gonna have a society, liberal or conservative in 20 years.

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?
Won't matter, your monetary system will collapse waaaaay before that, enjoy living in 12th century - no global warming at least i guess, amirite.

>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad?
Basic arithmetic, but that never stopped any government before.

>when soon most jobs will be automated?
Not a problem, nobody is crying about all the milkman jobs when fridges were invented, your life gets easier with automation. But, as we've already established, you don't have to worry about that far into the future.

>What is the alternative?
No alternatives, democracies will collapse, and either the western world descends into north korean style dictatorships (very likely) or people rebuild the civilization without force, without governments etc (very unlikely).

Enjoy your liberalism, while it lasts, you can't change anything. Government has the control of the money, of your education, of immigration, of everything and you can't do shit about it, just ride the wave and hope you don't drown.

You do realize that debating "hurr durr conservatism vs liberalism vs universal basic income vs nationalism" is pointless, right? Literally, it's like a bunch of slaves in 18th century debating what they are going to have for dinner. Well, the reality is you don't get to eat the dinner with the masters - you might get a few scraps here and there, if you are lucky, but that's about it.

>>127476976
Hiring people for a job based on what genitalia they were born with is exactly the same as hiring niggers based on the blackness of their skin

>>127455783
Thank you for this, this is great Ammo!!

>>127477106
this guy gets it

women don't tend to have higher iqs, and they're not more emotional, most men just try hide it

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>people unironically start debates instead of posting redpills
You retards even fell for the "liberal vs conservative" shit when it's two sides of the same coin. As if conservatives ever got anything done in the US, they are still nigger infested.

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>>127452030
There is no saving you.

>>127457369
As a leftist, I agree with this.

There's obviously a huge anti-globalization faction on the left, see Seattle '99. You just have to keep going left beyond liberalism

>>127452199
A FUCKING L.... Oh wait. Good one.

>>127465461
During the trump campaign I "spoke" through Twitter with a porn star often bc she was an open trump supporter and Jewish. Which I found very odd. Anyway I asked about the porn industry any major changes and she mentioned Arabs are flooding into the business end of it.

>>127452030
>How can we fix global issues like global warming
The same way we cause it; do nothing.

>What is the alternative?

Social Credit. Same basic idea but you change the monetary policy to create money only by social credit. No more fractional reserve banking, no more central banks manipulating the supply of money.

Just a simple calculation; total sales - money that people earn (wages/dividends/benefits) = the exact inflation free amount of new currency that must be created.

>>127452389
>muh hug box
it literally isn't you fucking moron. Just fucking lurk if you're so curious, does every single newfag need a personal introduction? No, especially because we have these threads on a weekly basis, and every single time it turns out to be a total waste on time because people like to pretend to be interested when they aren't

>>127452030

>Why should I want a conservative society?

Degeneracy erodes the family unit which is the basest rock for long term happiness of children, which in turn produces better adults, and then again better children. With no societal rules and no shame on degenerate behavior this model disappears and we have broken homes abound leading to mass murder. Soft genocide of whites is another issue as white euro centric cultures "western civilization" have produced all major cultural and tech advancements despite what leftist propaganda would have you believe.

>How can we fix global issues like global warming if we all live in nationalistic societies who do not care about the world as a whole?

Politics have never solved any issues like that, only technology. With more stable home lives better engineers can be raised to address technology. Serious influential technologists have been white and come from a stable nationalistic background with a strong family unit. Tesla, Bill Gates, Bob Metcalfe, even Cuckerburg, Musk Thiel etc.

>>Why are socialist ideas like a universal basic income for everyone bad when soon most jobs will be automated? What is the alternative?

Because Socialist Santa Claus don't real and resources aren't infinite. A system of distribution not based on merit invites malcontent and a locus of control ripe for revolt.

The only alternative is keeping the elites that are in control of the technology and letting the rest die out. This isn't a solution but inevitable. Politics will not solve this.

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>>127452030

Since we have established that the world's problems are too large and complex to be solved by ineffectual governing bodies there is only one defense against a technological and authoritarian leftist dystopia.

This is the same defense that man evolved to deal with any existential threat: Tribalism, nationalism, culture, and the family unit.

Detailing a few dystopias in popular film here, we'll see how nationalism and the family unit could address their problems.

Gattaca is a good start because it is a corporate dystopia. Nationalism and the family unit reminds people that they are still people, and the film depicts tribalism with naturally born people saving the day and getting the guy under the radar of the genetically engineered dystopia until he goes to the moon.

>>127459302
Please leave

>>127471827
The image in your OP kinda gave you away.

>>127471827
>only pretending to be retarded

>>127452030
1.) Conservative values is a lifestyle and appreciation of creation. Climate change is natural and man induced. It should be watched and monitored. There was a whole in the ozone. Kyoto accords put in place largely reduced and closed the ozone whole to now some scientist are saying it was better so gases could escape. Yes we have to be careful of our technology and environmental impacts.
2. See Venezuela and other societies that try to implement NatSoc ideas. Seems it only works with white societies: France, Japan, Germany pre WW2, Norway, etc. Now globalism are fucking those societies, muh immigrants are good. There is no such thing as a free lunch and meals are expensive even when a nation has same language, religion, currency, culture.
3. Alternative is we keep chugging along and get rid of fake news and social justice warriors who use false narratives to corrupt sovereign systems. The alternative I would like to see is the USA go completely nuetral and just take Risk Management in defense and military to spend money on infrastructure/schools/walls make the American ideals through euro work ethic is an exceptional quality of life. Explore space and colonize it.

>>127455783
To be fair, no liberal would say 'cracker' or 'honkey'. They say redneck (which rednecks appropriated) or white trash.

I lived in the deep south and was called 'honkey' or 'cracker' or 'peckerwood' somethings by country ass black folk they're not even that offense. Like a notch over being called 'gringo'.Peckerwood is slang for a white trash that will fight you.

Sorry the leftists don't really use racial slurs like right wingers do.

>>127452657
Literally this.