G7 leaders blame US for failure to reach climate change agreement

No problem. China will lead the fight against climate change, since they have more to lose.

>>127328546
>trump refuses to stifle economic growth to appease leftist fantasy.

>>127328546
why does Russia's Military Training ground have it's own flag still?

>>127329078
>he will let men fuck his wife for the right price

>>127329509
what?

>>127329509
Canada, everybody.
Even when the subject has nothing to do with it, a wild cuckold fantasy appears.

>>127329078
Revenue neutral carbon tax... ~0% impact on economic growth

>>127328546
fake news

>>127331826
carbon shekels is a scam

>>127331826
>revenue neutral
oh boy

>>127331826
>taxing pollution will surely fix everything!

>>127328546
>wow look at this american runing everything
>meanwhile in Asia

goddamnit burgers

this is when the trump backfires

goddamnit

i blame SJWs for this

if SJW culture hadnt been so extreme, trump wouldnt have been needed

SJWs just doomed humanity

>yes good goy pay all your carbon taxes to kikes in government
>meanwhile, the kikes will outsource all manufacturing overseas to nations that don't comply with the good goy global warming rules

global warming is a scam to let the gubbment pick your pocket for even more shekels. if the world was serious about it we'd shut down every corporation that outsources to China, India, other polluter nations.

Fucking idiot.

Climate change caused by people is hoax prove me wrong.

>>127331826
>scientists get caught faking global warming statistics with phony graph
>idiots still believe it

>>127334507
Theres incriments of enviornmental protection you can put up before shutting doen all industry, you hysterical faggot.

This was one of them, until King Fuccboi shut it down.

>>127331826
>leaf in charge of economics
And the inflation rocket took off, never to be seen again.

There is nothing we can do that will change the climate.

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>>127329509
GTFO leaf

>>127328546
When I went to school I was told climate change is not a process we could reverse, the best thing to do was to prepare for the coming changes, for example develop technology that help cleaning air etc.
times have changed.

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hey asshole:

Libertarians were SCREAMING for years that if you let the Executive Branch's power become unleashed from the Constitution, you'd not have a President but an Emperor.

Ah, but when Obama was Emperor you cheered his malfeasance and got misty-eyed at his dissembling tongue.

Fuck you.

Rest assured, Hillary would have been even worse poison.

She may yet be.

>>127334507
This guy gets it. Why would people think that taxing the most abundant fucking element on earth would result in anything but tyranny.
>how many times did you breath out today, anon
>that will be $40

>>127331826
>literally taxing fucking air

a leaf

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>>127329509

>>127334765
Ok, start with China you hysterical faggot.

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shhhh
ill

I hope trump withdraw from the paris agreement

The butthurt will be priceless. Even on nupol

>>127328546
Never been more embarrassed to be American.

Lol why do they need us to decide environmental policy for their country.

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>>127328546
>we need to go green then ship our dirty industries to 3rd world countries with no environmental laws
this is what the modern eco warrior promotes

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>>127328546
I imagine the G7 is like one big reddit thread

>>127335147
Kek, this. Oil is just compressed plants. And the more oil we burn and the less regulations we have the more true innovation can actually occur. Fuck the Paris (((treaty)))

>>127328546
Good for Trump. He is turning out to be a great president, way better than anyone expected. This climate change issue distracts from the real issue: getting NATO to pay for its own security with the lives of European people.

I want Europeans to sign up to die for their own security. When these countries see their young men fed to a human disposal machine, they will not complain about climate change.

We put a knife in their backs and make them march into war. We do not listen to their complains when they say their air smells bad.

Why? Because Americans are sick of Europeans and they are sick of NATO.

OP, let me tell you what you can do with your crisis narrative.

Take your crisis narrative and stick it up your ass.

>>127328546
Who's "we" Ukraine?

>>127329078
>trump refuses to diversify American energy production because he is a fool who thinks climate change is a hoax

>>127336239
>preserving the human race is a distraction

please kindly shut the fuck up

>>127335930
3rd world countries are doing far more for the environment than the US, retard

>>127336257

We have a responsibility according to that socialist.

>>127336909
what socialist?

>>127336567

> the human race is in danger

please kindly shut the fuck up

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>>127336682
like pooing in it?

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Coal is the future and redpilled af.

And who cares about G7 when you are besties with the Saudi's and Putin?

>>127334930
>taxing the most abundant fucking element on earth
Iron?

>>127328546
>G6:"Look, we need to spend tons of money on things people will generally accept otherwise the whole monetary system collapses and we can no longer make billions off of the slave labor masses."
>Big G, DJT:"Fuck that, let's build walls and spaceships and shit and fuck BMW."

#ThatsMyPresident

>>127337286
lol this is so true. between us, the russkies and the saudis we basically own all the hydrocarbon deposits.

hey europoors, gonna make a tank drive from a wind turbine?

>>127328546
Global Warming is a conspiracy

>>127336565
>Thinks Trump is a fool for not buying into leftist fantasy

>>127337064
which it is if we don't do something about it. you sound just as ignorant as Trump. kinda feel bad for you

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>>127331826
>Revenue neutral
>0% impact on economic growth

Were not as bad as China who are way bigger pollutants and no one is bullying them

>>127328546
>Flag
Don't you have to worry about the eastern throne knocking on your door right now?

>>127337632
Aw, look at your precious paranoia. Smug mission impossible. The earth will be uninhabitable and/or destroyed regardless of human action

>we can save the planet and make it last forever! Now let's go get high

Dumbasses

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>>127334599

>>127335662
Don't worry, there's always tomorrow.

>>127338092
>Were not as bad as China who are way bigger pollutants and no one is bullying them

because everyone gets their shit from them.

Imagine suddenly 70-80% of all good cost 50-100% more. People would riot all over the place, and the guillotines would be faster erected than you can say teh jews did it.

>>127328546
Right. European leaders are SO concerned about global warming they are letting in endless millions of Africans, and their huge birthrates, from nations where they barely use any resources, to this continent where they all use as much as we do and we will need millions of houses, roads etc. They don't give a single flying fuck about the environment, and neither do most people who claim to be 'green' but support open borders and feeding Africa, they want power and money and this is just another method to get both, and Trump is smart enough to see through it.

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>>127336682
Keep telling yourself that you filthy little brown fucker
Your country is a polluted fucking wasteland

I am surprise. How long will it take for Trump to betray this promise, too?

Can't have that Global Warming scam get questioned by some naught goyim, they might even uncover more of our globalization scheme.

>>127328546
climate change is fake science

>>127338759

EX-ACTLY.


Hell, all the real scientists (not the Bill Nye joo faggs) are basically running storm against it as it is a bunch of HORSESHIT

>>127336567
The climate always changes. Thinking we can effect climate is the ultimate arrogance and thinking we could in anyway stop the climate from changing is like thinking you could save the world as an armchair activist. The planet and solar system is always changing.

>>127338991
can you name some of them?

>>127328546
Thank you Donald for putting a foot up these elitist bastards ass, fuck the climate change cult!

>>127339120
https://www.amazon.com/Deniers-Renowned-Scientists-Political-Persecution/dp/0980076315

good book, if a little short

>>127334765
kys pleb

why does /pol/ not care about the environment and our planet?

>>127328546
Based Trump, shutting down the climate change scam. If anyone wants to help the environment they can try focusing on things that actually matter instead of hoaxes about carbon. Clean up China, invest in developing superior technology, and remove directly harmful chemicals.

>>127337632
The only danger to the human race is the no borders campaign. A massive increase in temperature up to where it was a few thousand years ago wouldn't do much more than shift property values around, but you're busy trying to start WWIII by destroying the only societies that care about sustainability, human rights, and peaceful coexistence.

>>127338300
Thanks but I'll listen to scientists instead of arrogant elitest losers on /pol/

>>127339338
The planet will still be here long after humanity is gone. Just as it was after Pangea split up and the dinosaurs were obliterated.

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>Trump halts progress
>Full blown global warming
>Russia has now more arable land
>Becomes fully self-sufficient
>Uses new wealth and existing military to destroy the west

Now you know why

>>127339338
Because most of them live such unhealthy lifestyles that the environment won't be all that fucked up by the time they die.

>>127328546
They can agree on whatever they want without us.
We're not agreeing to shit.

>>127328546
At least when the world ends, the left will end with it.

>>127328546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlv9gKcnLGk

>>127329509
I am always amazed at how leafs manage to insert cuck shit into every topic.

No climate impact: EPA Chief says the 'benefit' of climate regs is to show 'domestic leadership'
Read more at https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53b_1458762109#6JkAE5LRlZd9r66E.99

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53b_1458762109

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>>127339246
you don't expect me to buy that book, right?
But let's just take the first person mentioned in the description: Edward Wegman and the Hockeystick.

His claim to fame on this is the "Wegman Report" about the McKitrick & McIntyre criticism of MBH. A large part of the fame unfortunately comes from the fact that big parts of the report were plagirized, in part from Wikipedia.
But the report was for the most part irrelevant event at the time of publication because, contrary to what the description claims, other reconstructions confirmed the Hockeystick thesis of unprecedented warming since at least the last 1,000 years.

>>127339520
the split-up of Pangea neither coincides nor is the cause of the extinction of the dinosaurs

>>127328546

>blame

>failure

Those two words imply that wasn't our intended outcome. Fuck your climate agreement. It's pointless to commit economic suicide if china is just going to kill us all anyway

>>127340471
Life still went on either way, no matter what happened to the planet or the things on it. That's the point.

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>>127336239
It must be fun to live in a fantasy world where every bit of scientific evidence which doesn't validate your fucked up fetishes is a 'leftist hoax'.

Clearly, you're the only one who gets it, little man over here knows exactly what's what. He's never been wrong about anything. MaDTTxHm has a keenly attuned sense to realise that anything which doesn't fit his demented worldview is clearly a hoax.

>>127339507
scientists are LITERALLY arrogant elitist losers

Scientists get paid to study the climate because they have tricked people into thinking the climate is in crisis. They are clever tricksters who are concerned about getting paid. Trust them all you want, but don't come here and tell us they aren't tricking you.

We can see they are tricking you. Now go think about it for a while and ask yourself this question: "are scientists really, truly trustworthy, or do they have their own agenda?"

Have you heard of the "principal-agent problem"?

Scientists create an artificial scarcity of climate data in order to drive up the cost of collecting it and create artificial demand by bullying people.

They claim you lack morality because you "don't care about the environment". It is bullying.

It is nothing but bullying.

Let me explain this. Calling out your bullshit does not make me immoral. It makes you a loud jerk. It means you are just going around bothering people and telling them they are bad people because they don't "care about the environment".

In reality, you just want to make sure their future cash flows are protected. It is a scam.

Now shut up and get out.

>>127339392
Regardless of how you think the climate change will impact the world, its a real thing and is worth discussion. Thinking its a 'distraction' is retarded. These topics aren't mutually exclusive.

>>127331826
And a carbon tax would have... ~0% affect on global warming.

>>127340729
>>127340821

>>127339004
so when human emissions of CFCs caused large-scale ozone depletion over Antarctica, which in turn resulted in a poleward shift of the extratropical westerly jet and precipitation changes in the entire southern Hemisphere, why didn't these CFCs just stop? Didn't they know that they were being arrogant in doing so?

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>>127340361
>>127339120

>>127340729
It must be fun to live in a fantasy world where every bit of scientific evidence which doesn't validate your fucked up fetishes is a 'conservative hoax'.

Clearly, you're the only one who gets it, little man over here knows exactly what's what. He's never been wrong about anything. This faggot who seriously just used an ID like a name so he must be from reddit has a keenly attuned sense to realise that anything which doesn't fit his demented worldview is clearly a hoax.

>>127329078
>citation needed

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>>127336682
You're fucking delusional, but then again you're a third worlder.

>>127340821
Where did the scientist touch you?

>>127335662
But you'll never move because secretly you know everywhere else is worse.

>>127331826
>tax

stopped reading there

>>127329006
underrated post

>>127341204
Pretty much everyone who tried to work in academia got touched.

>>127341204
are you kidding? you're going to change the subject to SEXUAL ASSAULT?

Are you a jew? Because an oversexed jew who brings up an irrelevant Freudian taunt is the kind of person who would try to change the topic when they are losing the argument.

And you are losing the argument. Badly.

>>127336565
It's not the presidents job to run everyone's businesses.

Why do SJWs feel so strongly about climate change? I don't get it. Do they push it really hard in college or something?

It doesn't take a genius to see that there are much bigger issues in the world right now than climate change. I always liked what Trump said, actually. "I believe in clean air and clean water." I think that's a good stance to take given the polarization on the issue. We can make an effort to have a more healthy environment without taxing the shit out of everybody. I think providing incentives is a better idea.

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>>127340821
I'm sorry for offending your delicate feelings. I know how insecure you are so you must hate being talked down to, right? I'll try to encourage the scientific community to be less patronising to delicate little snowflakes like you in the future.

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>>127340361
Wegmen demonstrated that it's bad science: overly fitted models and a hack peer review process.

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>>127336567
>the human race
>humans are a race
There are 2 things you could mean here, and I'm guessing you're not the type who believes that nonwhites aren't human. Either way, you're wrong.

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>>127341886

If climate change is as pressing an issue as we are led to believe, we need to open up the nuke silos right now and threaten anyone who doesn't get their emissions in line with what they need to be.
If climate change is not as pressing as we have been led to believe, we need to stop letting "people" scam western nations with taxes while moving factories overseas to places with no pollution controls.

Whether you believe climate change is a pressing issue or not is irrelevant, the way that things are being done now is stupid in either scenario.

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>>127341103
Really, you want to go down that road?

>>127341691
why is it then that reconstructions using a wealth of proxies (thus avoiding the MBH over-reliance of dendroclimatology) come to broadly the same conclusion as per the plot I posted?

>>127340821
Also, about the elitist thing, have you ever stopped to think that the reason some people might be considered 'elitist' is because they actually know more about a particular subject than you do?

Just food for thought.

>>127337577
There's also venezuela, but you fixed that already.

>>127328546

>The end of the world as we know it is imminent

You're right, it is.

But not in the way that you think.

>we will never turn totally towards nuclear power
Fucking (((building costs))) piss me off, I just finished my environmental policy class, we had a good fucking thing going in the 70s, and it was all ruined.

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>>127341642
>>127341689
>>127341727
>>127341770
>>127341812
>>127341858
>>127341886
>>127341925

>>127341613
They would still push the same agenda if climate change was somehow thoroughly disproven.
It's just a talking point for their anti-big business agenda (especially big oil which they view more negatively than Russia)

>>127341493
>Are you a Jew?
>irrelevant Freudian taunt
K buddy. It wasn't a change of subject. I'm just making fun of you for how worked up you get over a topic you're clearly ignorant in. Choosing to ignore scientist viewpoints and not at least discuss climate change is sad. Again I feel bad for you.

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>>127341493
>are you kidding?,
oh /pol/

>>127341990
Why not? You're the pot calling the kettle black. You only came here for name calling, so be grateful.

>>127328546
Merkel is a piece of shit that thinks our president is going to bend his knee like obama did. Fuck the EU and fuck all the leftists that turned white homelands into shitholes.

>>127328546
Trump recognizes this is a Jewish plan to kill off the nonJews. The world will not end you fucker

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>>127342391
>Choosing to ignore scientist viewpoints and not at least discuss the possibility of 40 genders is sad.

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>>127342484
THIS all day long, every day, until they un-bitch themselves.

>>127328546
Don't you have more urgent issues to attend.
I for one would be more worried of Ivan's tank in my back garden than the water level rising by two millimeters.

>>127336565
>diversifying by investing in entirely inferior forms of power production
Yeah, no you hippie faggot

I'd rather the entire earth die of global warming or climate change then let these leftists piece of shit run the world anymore. Let the world burn fuck them.

>>127341613
they get to call you immoral for not caring about what they care about. they get to bully people

SJWs are very sadistic people. They don't care about justice at all; they care about hurting people and creating a toxic culture where their views are not challenged

by pointing at people and screaming, "YOU'RE HARMING THE ENVIRONMENT" they use the argument from authority https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority to get people to accept MORAL DIRECTION from CLIMATE CHANGE SCIENTISTS

this is where SJWs get their moral direction

it is just like Christians complaining that you are immoral if you don't believe in God, but in this case, God has been replaced with "the environment" and the government pays a select group of "climate authorities" to collect data.

Climate change is a scam intended to defraud taxpayers. The climate is always changing. There is no basis for alarmism when climate scientists are erecting barriers to collecting climate data.

If you want proof that scientists are erecting barriers to climate data, just look at the material they produce. They want to discourage study of the data and encourage their alarmist interpretations of it. They will even go so far as to misrepresent data collected from multiple sources by making it appear that it comes from a single source.

It isn't science; it is a fraud and a scam and it harms the reputation of real scientists by associating them with a political issue.

In reality there are no "scientist-activists". When you compromise your scientific integrity with activism, you lose your right to play the role of scientist. An activist is not a scientist.

The activist-scientists are not scientists.

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>>127342557

>>127342058
if your models fail to generate verifiable predictions, and if your models are using garbage inputs (flawed proxies; data massaged to generate the outputs you want; etc.), it's fake science.

>>127342476
Because, A. you haven't given me an example of a broadly agreed upon scientific-consensus equal to climate change which I could supposedly dismiss as 'conservative conspiracy', and B. you're obviously a fucking idiot.

>>127341613
>>127342709
You guys have to realize that even if it is real why does it matter? Do you want to let these Merkel types and more leftists to continue to genocide whites? Seriously climate change doesn't fucking matter until we can stop anti-white pieces of shit from destroying western civilization.

Trump will change his tune when Mar-a-Lago is underwater

>>127342557
obviously I meant people with actual credentials. But you're right, G7 brought up climate change for the fuck of it. They figured hey let's just waste some time.

>>127328546
I knew "climate change" was a scam when they kept changing the name to fit a certain narrative at the time.

>>127328546

Big fucking ALSO, I hope that golf cart he was rolling around in is a diesel rolling coal.

>>127342168
Don't try to reason with it. The idea of being wrong just confuses it more.

>>127341099
you can't reasonably expect me to go into detail of all these people.
My general response is this:
Firstly there are many people on that list who have no expertise in climatology (economists, particle physicists, politicians(?).
Of the actual climatologists/meteorologists, it's the usual suspects every skeptic loves to quote (Lindzen, Svensmark, Shaviv,...).
But I really have to wonder over some of them. Why is Sami Solanki in this list for instance? He explicitly comes to the conclusion that the sun has contributed "less than 30%" of the atmospheric warming since 1970.

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>>127342939
Yep, in 1985 that was going to happen around 2005...

>>127342968
>They figured hey let's just waste some time.

Possibly, but I think the logic was more along the lines of:

>Hey, let's all gang up and try to shame Trump in the most passive aggressive, quintessentially European way possible

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>>127328546
1 post by this ID.

sage this nigger

NATO counties pay up, then we'll talk.

>>127342824
A: Read the thread. B: Just what I predicted you'd say.

We are all going to die because drumpf wont give money to China.
How long we've got? Do I have time to get a gf or should I just say fuck it and go to a hooker?

>>127331826
so you're saying that to compensate for the stifling of the economy that would otherwise occur by throttling the use of carbon emissions the solution is to impose a tax to neutralize that stifling? and that Americans would want that? jesus christ...

>>127342822
why are you suddenly talking about predictions? Reconstructions are always concerned with the past, not the future (that's why they're called reconstructions).
And as usual, if you dig a little deeper it always comes down to insinuations about a conspiracy to fake your results.
That's one of the reason why the internet climate skeptics aren't taken seriously: Not only is it a telltale sign of pseudoscience to explain the existence of contrary evidence with a conspiracy, you're also painting yourself into a corner because on top of disproving global warming, you now also have to prove this global conspiracy to trick the world. You're just making it harder for yourself

The west lacks fossil fuels but has all the manufacturing and money.

The "war" against climate change is actually a war against buying fuel from outside the west and forcing everyone to use more expensive domestically produced fuel.

Imagine if the developing world had all the fuel, money and young people? Western manufacturing would quickly move there and the west would collapse.

Climate change is happening but it will not be stopped.

>>127338468
maybe you stupid niggers should learn to be self sufficient
we could ditch chyna tomorrow and be fine, you stupid niggers (including actual niggers) would go under

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>>127343206
Were you dropped on your head as a child or something? I've just read your response and I don't get what you're missing. The thread includes people claiming that despite it being the broad scientific consensus that climate change is real and a relevant issue, you have people just dismissing it as a 'liberal hoax' without any counter evidence just because it doesn't fit their worldview.

Now let me ask the question straight, what broadly agreed upon scientific consensus have I dismissed as a 'conservative hoax' just because it doesn't fit a particular worldview of mine?

reminder that the hottest recorded period in human history was the medieval ages

>>127342391
No, you are a bully who is demanding that I listen to stark raving mad alarmist POLITICAL ACTIVISTS who go around saying things like

> I'M A SCIENTIST
> I'M A SCIENTIST
> LISTEN TO ME
> I HAVE ANSWERS

I am not willing to discuss these scams unless these JERKS admit that they are BULLIES who are DEMANDING that others conform to their twisted morality.

When climate change activists apologize for their unwillingness to think clearly about the data they collect and their career opportunities, then we can have a discussion.

I am not going to have a discussion unless the climate change activists admit they have NO MORAL AUTHORITY.

Once they do this, the SJWs will leave them.

Actually, I have no intention of starting a discussion, I just want to see these climate change activists say, "I was wrong, I was a bully, I was trying to get you to validate my personal moral preferences".

There is no possibility of conversation. The climate change activists should be punished for acting like schoolyard bullies.

>>127343110
Solanki is mentioned because of his 2004 paper that provided support for Friis-Christensen's hypothesis of solar activity on climate.

The way the climate orthodoxy has reacted to people who have tried to pursue alternative hypotheses such as solar activity? fake science

>>127343881
wrong >>127340361

>>127342939
>florida will be underwater by 2014
>ooops

Can someone mine salt from plebbit?

It must be raining tears.

>>127344035
since you're obviously pretty knowledgable, can you please rebut this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU

>>127343823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPW_P7GVB8
https://www.cfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016-State-of-the-Climate-Report.pdf

Here is some evidence.

>>127343955
Sorry, but who the fuck are you, and why should your opinion have more weight than a professional in the field?

Seriously, people like you have VERY strong opinion that you know literally NOTHING about are the literal cancer of the modern age. Why don't fucking buckle down and learn an actual skill or trade you lazy fuck before you come here crying about 'elitism'?

>>127343970
"Although the
rarity of the current episode of high average sunspot numbers
may indicate that the Sun has contributed to the unusual climate
change during the twentieth century, we point out that solar
variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the
strong warming during the past three decades"

That's literally one of the first sentences in his 2004 paper

there's also this
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/divisions-between-trump-and-g7-killing-hopes-for-migration-crisis-plan/article35124967/

>>127341056
CFCs were outlawed in the US less than 4 years after they were implemented in mass consumer aerosol canisters

Ozone depletion is the only tangible cause of climate change, all this "greenhouse gas" stuff is bullshit

The ozone is already recovering but if the climate gets worse between on w and 2050 its because of all the damage that was done by CFCs from 1970-1974

A carbon tax in 2017 isn't gonna matter, the damage was done a long time ago

>>127344305
Solanki's paper provided a mechanism of action, which Friis-Christensen hadn't worked out. You're really not refuting my point though. Look at how people that have tried seriously to pursue this line of inquiry have been treated. Careers get ruined over this stuff. This is fake science. Politics.

>>127334393
Care to tell us about Norway's economy?

>>127344788
>>127344305
I'd love to continue arguing but I have to head out. Would love your thoughts on the youtube vid I link above though.

>>127343657
All the climate change alarmism is based on predictions. If you're saying predictions shouldn't be the focus, you're going against the political movement.

As for the "conspiracy" the only reason it isn't one is it's not secret. A conspiracy has to be secret, but climate change research is openly funded by political groups. Most of academia is open and proud of how it factors politics into management decisions. Go talk to any scientist and they'll agree the easy way to get funding for their research is to come up with a story that panders to big donors. Big donors include businesses who profit from the climate change movement.

>>127342635
I still wonder how a country that created the nuclear bomb can't into nuclear energy

>>127328546
>unusually frank statement
They literally had to use a wording simple enough for Trump to understand

>>127344956
We have a lot of nuclear reactors i think around 20% of our energy is from nuclear plants. But the plants are all old AF. sometime around the 80s or 90s, nuclear became a dirty word. Scare tactics were used in media, probably funded by fossil fuel execs

>>127344215
>professional
>in the age of diversity quotas
yeeeaaaaah nah mate

>>127344215
> who the fuck are you

rude

> a professional in the field

this is the scam: these political activists create an artificial scarcity of resources that can be used to collect climate data (you need an expensive diploma and lots of expensive equipment and time and fuel and a crew to go to these remote places of the earth to collect this data) and then say that the people who operate this equipment are in fact "professionals in the field".

Um, no. You are a scam artist with a political agenda who wants to be paid to keep the scam going. You use the title of "professional" to create the illusion of competence. You want taxpayers to foot the bill for your scam. You are a con artist.

You say "I know nothing", but the reality is that you don't want to say what it is that I know nothing about because you want people to think climate change is some mysterious voodoo.

Climate change is a bunch of rhetorical tricks employed by political activists loyal to SJWs who call themselves "scientists" in order to appear competent.

They are competent---at running scams.

>>127344156
that's way too long but the general gist of it seems to be that data correction is used as a tool to fake your observations for a predetermined outcome.
Besides being a conspiracy as well, it's also something that can only come from someone who doesn't know anything about remote sensing. Raw data in remote sensing is pretty much always completely useless. Even very simple things like imagery in the visible spectrum has to undergo extensive correction for instrumental errors and atmospheric effects, same with temperature data.
Let's take an example:
One of the biggest biases is orbital drift. During the lifetime of diurnal satellites, their orbit slowly degrades which effects the local passing time during which the satellite takes a temperature reading. This creates a specific mathematical error in the temperature data, which has to be corrected for (in 2015 RSS discovered an error they made in their correction, which completely changed their temperature trends they had calculated for the lower atmosphere; pic related is the relevant paper). What's nefarious or deceiving about this, I ask you.

Besides all that, it also has to be one of the most retarded conspiracies ever, since most temperature monitoring bodies make the raw data, which is supposedly what they're trying to hide, freely available on the internet.

The other western countries are totally taking advantage of the US now, of course they'll say things like this. The US media is on 24/7 hate Trump watch. The Europeans know that they can play with the minds of the American populace now. Fuck you Europe, you're gonna get overrun by fucking muzzies.

>>127328546
climate never stops changing. the actual co2 concentrations do not historically align with increases in global temperature. when accessing the data, you must use scales of hundreds of millions of years, not 10s, 100s or thousands to get an accurate realization of earth's temperature flux.

>>127345320
20% is nothing.
We're at 70%+

>>127345320
>fossil fuel execs
more like the members of the sustainable energy coalition

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>>127328546
(((warming))))

>>127345581
Your country is also the size of Texas

>>127344788
btw the Svensmark-Christensen hypothesis is definitely interesting and far from crazy, but it is rejected by most climatologists because cosmic ray flux follows the 11 year solar cycle. If the cosmic ray-cloud albedo feedback were real and to blame for the recent temperature trends, we should see a huge 11 year signal in the data set (we don't).

>>127343823
Others just posted examples in the thread. If you fail to address their material, you're only proving me right. The more you rely on insults, the more you admit climate change is irrelevant and you just latched onto it to have an excuse for name calling.

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>>127328546
>g7
>7
nine "leaders"

>>127343823

There is no scientific consensus. Not 99% or 97% or any of that shit ( I've heard both ).

It's been poop since the start.

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>>127345521

>>127345581
yes, but we have retarded greens on one side, and lolbertarians opposed to government subsidies to deal with the necessary insurance on the other
like the germans they would be content to move coal plants just outside of their borders and buy electricity from across a line and pat themselves on the back for reducing their carbon emissions

>>127331826
anybody else notice the leafs are out in full force today?

>>127328546
And I couldn't be happier with Trump here. Global Warming (now Climate Change as the earth is actually cooling) is a shake down of more wealthier countries to fund the shithole dictator third world countries.

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>>127344159
Okay, listened to the first minute, but I'll listen to the rest later. You do realise that despite the fact that climate change has occurred naturally in the past, it has NEVER changed at the rate it is changing now? The opening of this whole argument seems like it's just going to conveniently ignore that fact.

Of course you can find people with contrary views in any field, but as it stands, they are by far are vastly a fringe minority in this particular issue. But here you go, deferring to pseudo-authority ONLY when it's convenient to you and corroborates with your worldview. I also can't find much about this man's credentials. Who is he exactly? The video description seems to be wanting to withhold that information. You know that I can find literally thousands of videos to the counter highlighting the problems with this strangely narrow assessment of the situation easily.

The PDF also seems to come from an organisation called 'cfact', which is described in Wikipedia as group dedicated specifically to 'advocat(ing) for free-market solutions to environmental issues', so we already know that this group is going to have a politicised bias to anything they publish. They don't seem to be an accredited peer-reviewed research group by any means. They also seem to be notable now for specialising specifically in climate denial-ism. From the looks of it, this group looks like they're specifically coming at this with an agenda.

You see, this is the phenomenon we call 'confirmation bias' right here.

>>127344956
Liberals hate nuclear energy and constantly protest against it.

>>127331826
D-Do leafs believe this? Holy shit

>>127334725

Don't fall down that hole anon, climate change is real, and there's plenty of actual scientific data to support it. The difference, is that it's not really something that is so life threatening, we need to devote massive amount of time, effort and resources to stop it.

>>127344948
the funding for climate science comes mostly from government agencies (ostensibly the EPA in the case of your own country).
Now if the scientists are in a constant effort to appeal to the relevant political power center, why didn't American and Canadian climatologists during the Bush and Harper administration suddenly reverse position and reject AGW. After all, both these administrations were hostile to action on climate change (same with the Trump administration).
How does your view about whoring climate scientists square with the fact that they have been saying more or less the same things through radically different administrations in different countries?

>>127346340
There you go, strawmanning the opposition again.

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>>127345879
G7 = 7 GOYS

Wake up

>>127345971
>There is no scientific consensus. Not 99% or 97% or any of that shit ( I've heard both ).

This is a lie and you are a stupid piece of shit

"Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it’s somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists."

https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

>>127345995
> temperature estimates 300k years ago that much accurate

Wew

>>127328546
based dahnald

climate hoax BTFO

>>127345995
hmmm. temperature isnt skyrocketing........ weird

>>127346598
just going to point out that lolbertarians willingly spread these lies, because there is no moral case within their own ideological framework for them destroying other people's property without compensating them for it (which is what negative externalities do), but they are actually just niggers

>>127328546
Americans reiterate they don't give a shit what faggot-tier Eurotrash has to say on anything, in typically frank statement

>>127334725
This.
Who with an actual brain believes this crap anymore?

>be germoney
>outlaw nuclear power
>build a billion fucking windmills
>still not enough power
>buy power from france
>france is run by nuclear
WOW GERMONEY IS SO GREEN

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>>127346680
Do you know what a temperature proxy is?

>>127346731
it's called thermal inertia.
The land, ocean and ice sheets don't respond instantaneously to a forcing, be it an increase in GHGs or solar luminosity. There's even a mathematical function to describe how much time elapses until the new equilibrium temperature is reached (it's called the "transient climate response function).

>>127329078
This. Climate change is a neo luddite lie designed to retard technological innovation.

>>127336565
If you want to start a wind farm then go start a wind farm. We're not stopping you, we're just not funding you.

>>127347219
How does that even make sense when it's actually stimulating development of new technologies like electric cars and renewable energy?

>>127329006
fpbp

btw an increase in co2 uptake in the last decade has slowed the growth of atmospheric concentrations of co2 despite the continued growth in co2 output, but we don't know how long this sink will continue

>>127346258
It has never changed at the rate it is now? During the 16 year global warming pause? Satellite data has shown no evidence of outstanding change in nearly two decades.
I could link any number of sites agreeing with this stance, however in a scientific area that's become so politically biased, it would be immediately discredited.
The video itself simply explains in geological terms, not "climate science terms" how the world deals with carbon cycling. I consider it to be a more unbiased view of the situation rather than coming from anyone who's field relies on the existence of the phenomenon.


As for the PDF, its a link aggregate for the most part. The group presenting it is unimportant, as the resources and citations come from dozens of sources.

So read through it, and follow the articles.
You see, this is the phenomenon we call as hominem

>>127346598
> you are a stupid piece of shit
rude, and you're upset because you're losing the argument.

you get the 97% number because 0.3% of scientists study climate change but they are HORRIBLE BULLIES and they have bullied the other 96.7% into going along with a plan to make the American people think there is a good reason to erect SERIOUS barriers to collecting climate data.

The climate change lobby uses threats and intimidation to push its agenda through, then it makes the collection of climate data very expensive and time-consuming, then it combines the data in a way that creates the impression that there is a serious problem with the climate.

Yeah, there is a problem, but it isn't the problem you think it is. The problem with the climate is that we are letting these jerks get worked up about their jobs, and now we have to find REAL jobs for them.

The problem with the climate is that it is distracting these people from REAL WORK.

They want to get paid to make their data seem more mysterious and alarming than it really is.

>>127347107
sounds like jewish tricks. plus co2 can get scrubbed out of the atmosphere in 20-200 years. plants use co2 to grow. mainly algae. more algae the quicker itll be scrubbed. more algae more fish. more food.

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>>127340729
AGW is politics pushed by liberal media as the next crisis.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

Saying there are Scientists that believe Global Warning is a hoax is like saying Engineering is a type of Science.

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>>127346944

Libertarians can't handle the truth.
Sad!

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>>127346731
>>127346731
also notice that this graph shows Antarctic temperatures. Along with what I already said, Antarctica is the part of the planet that responds by far the slowest. In fact, Antarctica hasn't even reached the "point of emergence", the time at which the global warming signal diverges from beyond the natural variability yet.

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>>127329078
>Justifying a retarded decision with 'MUH JOBS'

>>127328546
>Agree with us, Trump
>No
>TRUMP FAILED HAHA
You guys are fucking morons. You don't see how you're authoritarians and you point the finger at him for being bad at negotiating? There's literally nothing to negotiate when you refuse to consider you're wrong. What other outcome could there have been? Trump bending over and saying "yes masters"? Fuck you cuck.

>>127328546
Oy vey goy why don't you bend over? Very dissatisfying!

>>127329006
Hahaha just like how they're leading the world in humanitarian efforts because they have more people.

Excellent post, leaf.

>>127347473
Those aren't advancements. Electric cars run on electricity which either comes from oil (80% or more comes from oil), wind, water, or solar. Wind and solar are inefficient and water destroys ecosystems. Water's still baller for efficiency though.

Anyways, all the focus on that shit could be focused on actual improvements. All it's about is trading X industry empire with Y industry empire. At the end of the day you still only have a car, as opposed to spending decades researching space travel, healthy food mass production, healthy physical enhancers, permanent and simple cures for bad vision, ways to negate autism in the womb, etc.

Climate change technology adds nothing to society, it only replaces what you have with another version of what you have.

>>127347571
>you get the 97% number because 0.3% of scientists study climate change but they are HORRIBLE BULLIES and they have bullied the other 96.7% into going along with a plan to make the American people think there is a good reason to erect SERIOUS barriers to collecting climate data.

lol for fucks sake

>>127329509
You will suck a dog's dick to pass the time while taking it up the ass from Achmed. But it's somehow not gay because you identify as a female sheep, so it's legally just bestiality, which is fine in both of your cultures.

>>127347573
what you said about CO2 sequestration isn't correct either. The main process that removes CO2 from the atmosphere is chemical weathering of silica minerals (CaSiO3) and that takes on the order of 100,000 years.

If you don't believe that, you can simply ask yourself the following:
If any additional CO2 is removed after 100 years or so, why was CO2 able to rise and fall with an amplitude of ~110ppm in the plot I posted?

>>127347571
What kind of argument is that supposed to be? 'Real work,' what are you even blabbering about? At least other people in this thread have at least ATTEMPTED to find counter-evidence, but you've done squat here spouting off bizarre conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up because it doesn't fit your fucked up worldview.

You know something, if you want to go down this flat-Earther rabbit hole, I'm fucking game.

>>127347960
>water destroys ecosystems
I stopped reading there.

>>127331826
>Taxation doesn't effect the economy
You should be taxed for polluting this thread with your shit-for-brains opinion.

>>127336565
only other power we have that would be cost effective is nuclear and we all know that wont happen anytime soon. idk why people dont point fingers at china or developing countries like india

>>127347107
So it's not the actual temperature, only a flawed estimate that can take any value based on so called models.

>>127347994
yes it's hard to differentiate between shills, poes, dunning-kruger, and complete retards on the subject of agw
look at the richard mueller best saga for how far up the educational ladder the d-k case goes

>>127347507
there is evidence that the uptake of CO2 by the global ocean (which is the main carbon sink right now) is slowing. Also it was found recently that the continental soils will respond to warming as a carbon source rather than a sink, which wasn't really clear up until now.

>>127347994
>lol for fucks sake

What I said is true, and it is a serious problem.

Academic intimidation is becoming a serious problem, and it is causing academic institutions to lose their commitment to protecting the independence of scientists.

If scientists can't collect independent data, then they will have to choose between their own integrity and their career. This is a horrible choice; it will be the death of the academic system.

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>>127341642
>>127341689
>>127341727
>>127341770
>>127341812
>>127341858
>>127341886
>>127341925
>Being oblivious or preoccupied makes you autistic
>It's fine to make fun of gay/autistic people, if you're liberal
You and I both know you're not here for legitimate discussion. You're in it for the memes.

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>>127348208
>putting an enormous blockade into a river to harness the force of moving water doesn't fuck with the creatures trying to move through it.

Not surprised you stopped reading senpai, sounds like you don't read much in general.

>>127328546
>hurrrr if u don let us tax u 4 breathing, da world will be ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>127348153
what i said about co2 is most definitely true. ever have an aquarium? you can buy co2 to increase plant growth. if you use too much you get an algae bloom. fish love this algae bloom because its food.

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>>127348619
the 97% number is a lie anyways. It's made up.

>>127348866
wtf i love ocean dead zones now

>>127337577
>2017
>not believing in climate change
>believing in tanks

>>127328546
Blaming the US will just make Trump double down and say fuck that climate change bullshit. Based Euro's

>>127348351
what are you talking about? We can observe the relationship between, for example, the alkenone unsaturation index or TEX86 and the sea surface temperature in the real world right now. This isn't supposition, it isn't a model, it comes down to observation and a simple math exercise.
Additionally, if you take a multi-proxy approach instead of relying solely on a single proxy for your reconstruction, you can remove a great deal of uncertainty, since the probability of several proxies coming to the same conclusion by coincidence sinks exponentially with every new proxy used.

If you heard about temperature proxies for the first time right now, why do you feel confident enough to dismiss it with stuff you pulled out of your ass?

>>127348770
I don't think it's comparable when we look at it in terms of energy output to Co2 emissions, but I guess we've already decided that the impact of Co2 is a conspiracy perpetuated by (((them))) and it's actually magical pixie dust in reality.

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>>127328546
>The end of the world as we know it is imminent

The white mans parting gift as we breed ourselves out of existence, leaving the subhumans to endure the boiling oceans and unbreathable air.

Enjoy our leftovers.

>>127348770
The actual REAL problem with renewables as it currently stands is the cost to output ratio in general, but technologies have come leaps and bounds in the last few decades, and regardless what anyone says about, we still have nuclear energy which is still vastly safer than pumping tons of Co2 into the air.

>>127348866
you go on to play with your aquarium and the people who want to think seriously about this read the conclusion oceanographers, geologists and climatologists have come to.

P.S. algal bloom is often associated with ocean hypoxia, anoxia and euxinia. Fish most definitely don't love it when it comes to that

>>127349365
sadly, no
but the shifts in rainfall patterns and agricultural productivity are going to send streams of unchecked african migrants everywhere
good thing no one sterilized that useless continent

>>127348208
climate change activists are unwilling to find other work so they dig in and demand political favors for their industry. It is called protectionism.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with people who

1) erected serious barriers to collecting climate data

2) collected climate data, then added their own alarmist interpretation

3) insulted my moral integrity on the grounds that I called them out on their nonsense

It is not immoral to point to someone and say, "you are speaking nonsense, quit it".

you can't find counter-evidence to the claim that "the climate is changing" because THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CHANGING

so I'm not going to go on some wild goose chase searching for evidence that the climate is not changing because THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING

>>127349528
>climate change activists are unwilling to find other work
this is literally the coal industry and its pissbaby coal miners
btw did read the rest of your post don't consider this an endorsement of anything else you wrote

>>127334765
You mean the increments the car industry wasn't able to meet and falsified emission reports to cover it up?

>>127340836
That's right.

Because the real cause of global warming is .... economic growth.

The fact that they have convinced so many people that another tax will prevent global warming shows how stupid the average person is.

>>127339338
because /pol/ is a death cult if you look at it

>>127340054
its a national fetish,they can`t help it

>>127346424
Yes, unfortunately they do.

>>127349528
what's the point of pointing out that the climate has always been changing? Everyone seems to already accept that, so why do you feel the need to scream it at everyone?

If the point is that therefore the current climate change isn't man-made (which would be a textbook non sequitur by the way), then why not come straight out with it?

>>127328546
Better kys before it gets bad shitlibs. Omg disaster on muh horizon. It's too late!

>>127349425
yeah ill "play with my aquarium" where i can essentially recreate these conditions while you just read about it. I have seen what happens, while you assume to know

Won't the environment adapt for the most part? From what I know we should definitely prevent both deforestation in the Amazon and desertification in Africa for the most part.

I think the worst thing about this climate bollocks is that in an effort to get "green energy" we're still destroying the environment. Though since it's not in their own backyard it's perfectly acceptable.

>pick sandals captcha
>only one picture of sandals
Nice new captcha.

>>127331826
Degrowth is the only hope humanity has for long term survival.

>>127350144
can you run some experiments in your apartment for me by doubling the co2 concentration every hour and reporting on observed changes in algae growth in your fish bowl
stream it with a webcam

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>>127328546

get fucked, alarmfag

>>127349528
Yes, but as I've repeatedly said, it's never changed at the RATE it's changing now. Natural climate change is indeed a thing, but to dismiss human impact is laughable.

m8, I don't think you realise just how big the lobbying groups for fossil fuels actually are in the US. You keep trying to push climate change as some kind of 'liberal conspiracy' without explaining how such a conspiracy would be beneficial to any party, but it's climate denialism which is the real conspiracy. Like the anti-vaxxers, it's not pushed by any non-partisan accredited peer-reviewed scientific community, just fringe lunatics with an agenda, and you can actually trace the very simple logic behind pushing such a conspiracy, retaining the interest of corporate monopolies.

Clearly though, you're too far down this particular rabbit, but I fail to see why THIS is the hill you're so keen to die on. You honestly should look into flat-Earthism. If you're capable of dismissing every piece of you don't particularly like as a conspiracy, flat-Earthism is not that big of leap.

>>127350144
if you think your home aquarium can accurately recreate the response of shallow and deep oceans to an increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration then you go right ahead

>>127350380
well not a fish bowl. 200 gallon tank. and the doubling every hour is not reasonable. we are not doubling co2 in the atmosphere every hour. more algae will pull in more co2. thats an easy fact. adding more co2 that fast will not give the algae time to grow. but in nature, algae can easily outgrow co2 ppm in the atmosphere

>>127340821
>caring about anything besides my own immediate interests is hard

you are just lazy cheap fucks
dont pretend its anything else

>>127350259
if that is really true then spay africa,
white birth rates in the western world has already fallen through the floor.
any overpopulation issues can directly attributed to subsaharan africa and the middle east which
coincedently is also the source of numerous other ongoing problems which affect humanity negatively as a whole.

>>127350866
i need you to fill your apartment with co2 gas so i can observe the effects for myself
i'm not just going to accept your jewish tricks regarding the algae growth of your fish bowl

Let's pay Al Gore a carbon tax guys! This is the final solution to global warming

Article fails to mention that only 3 countries are on track to meet these stupidly impossible goals. Now they can blame the US and move any blame off them.

>>127346575
What part of that is supposedly a strawman?

>>127346527
The EPA head during Bush's second term:
>Johnson began working at the EPA in 1979.
Bush put the EPA in the hands of an insider, which wouldn't cause a dramatic reversal of existing policy. The administrator from 2001-3, Christine Todd Whitman, has the following in her wikipedia page:
>In 2001, the EPA produced a report detailing the expected effects of global warming in each state in the country. President Bush dismissed the report as the work of "the bureaucracy."
>On June 27, 2003, after having several public conflicts with the Bush administration, Whitman resigned.
The biggest conflict was over Dick Cheney's push for a loosening of pollution controls.

There was no major purge and no major push to change financing. Bush focused on issues other than global warming and his election was largely irrelevant to what was happening in academia. The political-industrial machines on the Democrat side remained in place, and universities have relied primarily on the Democrats since the 60's. Industrial financiers back politicians they want, who proceed to channel government spending, which is mainly Congress's responsibility. At the time, Congress was pretty evenly divided with a slight Republican lead. That meant they'd be struggling over top priority issues and wouldn't be able to make radical changes over low priority ones like global warming.

Keep in mind that the relevant political power center is not the one that won the last election, but rather the one that actually spends money in the niche. Republicans just don't care enough to take strong action on academia.

I'm not familiar with Canada's situation, but they're perceived as being much more leftist than we are in general.

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>>127328546
>end of the world

Die in a fire faggot.

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>>127331826
>revenue neutral tax

>>127329509
How ironic that is, coming from a fucking leaf

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>>127351096
>What part of that is supposedly a strawman?
>Liberals hate nuclear energy and constantly protest against it.

Good, I'll gladly take the blame for that.

Eat shit, Euro-peons.

>>127351045
no shit
once plebs realize that the cost of their meat needs to increase significantly, they will just murder their pols. so more than anything they shift where emission occurs and provide useless subsidies to shit like solar panel roads
this species is literally too dumb to live

>>127328546
Kek, they are so pissed off that the G7 aren't a dicksucking contest anymore.
I wonder when the first suggest to kick out the US. Already did it with Russia.

The same people who keep advocating democracy as the one true form of government are completely incapable of dealing with differing opinions.

>>127346598
>consensus
>consensus
>consensus

The work of science has nothing to do with consensus; consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science belief is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with dogma.

Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away.

>>127350939
I disagree.

Just cut off all contact.

They'll find equilibrium eventually. And we don't have to do anything.

>>127351432
Russia actually chose to leave the G8, they were begging Russia to come back because they felt like without Russia their ability to address global issues was diminished; Russia was supposed to return for this one but in January told them to fuck off.

>>127346598
>https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

From the skeptical science website itsself, ran by the great Australian SCIENTIST John Cook:

>This site was created by John Cook. I'm not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist and web programmer by trade

http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3

>>127328546
Get annexed.

>>127351704
Wait, really?
Fuck, I gotta read up on that again. For some reason I remembered it as Russia being kicked out.

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>>127350224
the problem is that there is no real precedent for the current rate of carbon injection in the geologic record.
The only thing that comes close is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum. It was a short interval 55 million years ago when an amount of carbon, roughly equivalent to all the worlds oil reserves was injected into the atmosphere.

Around that time, ocean sediments suddenly turned black (from the clay content due to acidification), there is evidence for massively increased precipitation, temperature rose by ~5°C, insect herbivory increased sharply, extinction of several algae genera, local extinction of plant species, terrestrial ecosystems getting kicked around with massive migration of mammals and so on.

That took place with a rate of carbon injection that is LOWER than the one we have today. With an unprecedented situation like that, it's quite hard to make predictions about the long-term response of the biosphere

>>127349927
>the current climate change isn't man-made

There has always been man-made climate change as long as there have been men, it is called breathing. When you breathe, you change the chemical composition of the air in your environment.

You are trying to provoke me into saying something that isn't true. If you are breathing, then you are currently contributing to climate change. You are turning oxygen into CO2.

It is man-made climate change.

Clean, safe, reasonably cheap nuclear power is the ultimate climate change fixer-upper.

Steadily funded, long term research is needed to get to that goal, but this is a goal I think could go a long way towards helping the environment.

I also think that phasing out oil and coal consuming equipment (over the long course of time) for electrical, solar, and natural gas using equipment would help a lot too.

>>127351804
Russia got suspended after Crimea, but not fully expelled. The G7 countries were gonna meet this year to discuss reinstating Russia, but Russia left on their own in January

>>127328546
>>127328546
resist my dick

>>127328546
Literally propaganda, they're trying to get a little extra assblasting on Trump done. Find me one based leader who cosigned that statement.

>>127351838
the earliest human signal on the planetary climate actually dates back only ~5,000 years.
Breathing has absolutely nothing to do with climate because the absolute amount of carbon that is produced by humans breathing is absolutely miniscule and easily absorbed by the carbon sinks.

But setting that aside, if that isn't what you're trying to say, what IS your point?

>>127351281
Yeah, which part of that factual statement is supposed to be a strawman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_protests_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_groups_in_the_United_States
One of wikipedia's citations: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071221/NEWS/712210348
>At first glance, Sherwood Martinelli looks and sounds like a ’60s throwback. In a room full of government types, with their navy suits and blue ties, he’s the long-haired dude wearing the khaki jacket, lime shirt and Wicked Witch of the West lapel pin. He’s the one that talks loud at the news conference and sometimes lets a curse word slip into his anti-nuclear diatribe. He knows what you’re thinking: hippy, tree-hugger, no-nukes nut job.

>In an e-mail sent last month to an NRC attorney, Martinelli called the Atomic Safety and Licensing Board a “bunch of pro-industry pricks.”

>The NRC censored Martinelli, demanding an apology.

>Martinelli gave them one, iced in sarcasm. “I don’t feel like the use of the word ‘prick’ was wrong,” he said. “If you look up the dictionary definition, it fits.”

>>127352278
Don't agree. Over millions of years of iterations, breathing, even if its just 1 person's breathing, does have an affect.

If you understood geological time scale you would understand this.

>>127351838
Ok well accounting for breathing (you fucking sack of shit) we're still ~300 years ahead of where we should be in our warming period. Coal burning is the source of all the world's problems.

>>127351523
There is an element of belief in science. You need to believe that your methods are good enough, your samples are representative of the population. Belief in common ideas, facts grounded in common realities.

>>127328546
Fuck climate change.

All climate change summits do is discuss methods of imposing modern day sin taxes on the already overtaxed citizens of developed nations.

It's all a stunt to raise money, and nowhere do those cunts make any serious effort to promote adaptation. It's all "feel guilty and give us your money".

>>127347042
Apparently you dont

>>127350224
It's complete kikery. Not having China-tier conditions should be all the argument you need to pay some attention to your environment, but then it would be much harder to push specific technologies, which is what the lobbying was about all along.

>>127352507
what do you think about a carbon fee and dividend?
The carbon-heavy industries (mainly fossil fuel companies) get taxed according to their carbon emissions and every legal citizen gets a cash check from that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee_and_dividend

>>127351804
they were temporarily suspended in I think 2014 or 2015 after the Crimea/Ukraine shit but like I said the rest of the leaders felt like their ability to make meaningful change was diminished without Russia. Several leaders were demanding Russia join back, especially Abe I believe, and they were supposed to return this year but Russia basically said it was a waste of time for them anyway and that G20 was the one that really mattered (which they were never suspended from) so they said fuck off and didn't want back in to the G8

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>>127350617
>but to dismiss human impact is laughable.
You're being disingenuous, obviously humans have an impact, the question is how much, and if the rate cannot be stopped without essentially killing ourselves off, should we even bother?

>>127352749
Ah, thanks for the quick rundown.
Kinda agree with them, too. The G8 was mostly circlejerking to make the governments look good at home and hardly achieved anything.

>>127352874
Getting the goyim to kill themselves off was always the goal, anon. Of the "climate change" movement anyway.

There are radicals among them that sincerely believe the only way to fix the climate problems is to reduce the human population by somewhere between 90 and 100 percent.

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>>127328546
so thankful for trump

>>127342972
>>127342972
The name was change by the Fox News types conservatives.
That was back when they didnt want to oppose it but wanted to make it sound less harmful

You fell for it

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>>127350617
> it's never changed at the RATE it's changing now.

This is simply not true. There is fabricated evidence that would support this conclusion on a NASA website.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

It is a graph fabricated from two different sources using two different methods of inferring historical temperature changes over two time periods.

The data sources are:

> Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record

It is fabricated evidence designed to mislead the public. The line you are looking at is a visual depiction of data designed to create confusion in the viewer's mind as to the process that produced the data in the first place.

It is media that is designed to deceive, it is designed for deception. This is the USA government we are talking about here, trying to protect the jobs of scientists using resources THE TAXPAYERS PAID FOR.

You are LITERALLY PAYING SOMEONE TO LIE TO YOU.

> Like the anti-vaxxers

not relevant

> fringe lunatics with an agenda

ad hominem fallacy

> accredited peer-reviewed scientific community

it isn't a community, it is a corrupt industry of fear-mongers

> you're too far down this particular rabbit

ad hominem

> You honestly should look into flat-Earthism

rude

>>127334076
Making polluters pay extra for the damage they inflict on the environment means they are no longer externalising that cost
>1 F-35 pays for a clean Chesapeake Bay

>>127353143
specifically it was a phrase focus tested by frank luntz as the one his test audiences found the least frightening
frank luntz is a piece of shit and should be hanged

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>>127343823


You need to go back to r/eddit. You're just too obvious.

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