Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen,

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>>127122313
What if God is a Germanic word for GOdin and Satan is the adversary of the kike's volcano god and his faggy son who the devil kind of really helped when he talk him through some shit in the desert and showed him his destiny???

Godin is closer to Satan than YHWY/ Elohim

because abrahamic indoctrination

>>127122313
false dilemma. think harder.

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>>127122313
Atheism is a tool of the Jews

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just tell me if that's a boy or not

>>127122313
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen
it's a test
wahhhh earth is not playpen paradise time.... wahhhhehhhh wehhhhh im gtonna shit my pants becasue christians dont like fucking rapist pedo faggots wehhhhhhhhh

nioce post op tranny btw

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>>127122313
>what is free will

>>127122823
>>127122866
> not knowing lavren

>>127122313

Nigger do you fail to grasp the concept of afterlife?
Are you that mentally challenged that you fail to understand that?

>>127122313

How else would God have us learn if he stepped in to correct everything?

Did your parents never let you touch a hot pan as a child to teach you consequences?

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>>127122823
Thats Lauvren, and she's a goddess.

>>127122313
Fuck this is the most recycled athiest argument I've heard

He allows people to choose freely to do either good things or bad things so bad stuff happens. If He forced everyone to do good things then humans would be puppets.

how can a scottish girl be so darky?

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>>127123091
>>127123286
I still don't know if it has a penis or not

>>127123663
Ask her on twitter.
#/mu/

>>127123286
>Lauvren
wtf

>>127123504
wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway


so god is basically a sadist who has an evil accomplice that causes pain and suffering on earth

>>127122313
Well to be completely honest,God does help when he feels the person does not have the power to help themselves,most of the things the Devil puts on the Earth is avoidable and can be solved.
>What about the things that can't be easily solved
That is why there are more that just a few thousand humans,to solve these problems through hard work,people die sometimes,its hard but if life was easy we would have too many people living on this planet to support it,we are reaching the point where we can't anyway.
In conclusion,I'd worship a God who allows the Devil to exist,because without the Devil who would make us us, who would make or break us? There is much more to life than a just having some reason to say "LMAO FUCK GOD HE DIDNT HELP ME BEAT THIS ONE GUY NOW IMMA KYS",if suicide or anything that is self detrimental because you didn't get your way(or you didn't try to) is the answer,I'll see your ass in hell.

>>127123865

>wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway

Just stop nigger, just stop.

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>>127122313
I actually have the answer to this, I just hope you are not trolling?
also I will answer according to my faith

>God created the universe
>He needed a way to give his teachings to humanity
>He did that through many prophets most notably Ebraheem/Moses/Jesus/Mohammed
>He interfered during those times as needed to ensure his teachings was delivered to earth
>after Mohammed(the last prophet) he didn't interfere in earth again(will explain later) as Mohammed finalized God's teaching to earth.

Lastly to answer your question:
1-God is all powerful
2-God forbid injustice upon himself
3-By interfering to ensure his teaching delivery to earth is not injustice
4-interfering in earth after this point is injustice

more explaining for the 4th point
>injustice definition: violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.
thus by interfering in earthly matters is injustice (to have God by your side and not other evil people is injustice as he is all powerful)

>>127122313

God is love, light and goodness - the creator. The opposing force is Satan, or the adversary, which is basically darkness personified, a destroyer.

Everything must be in balance. If there is light there must be dark; you cant define white without black and vise-versa.

Humans may be the universe experiencing itself through consciousness, a large collection of souls with a purpose to explore, learn and report back findings to God over many incarnations. We need free will to do this.

God doesn't 'allow evil', evil exists as a opposing force. The closer you are to god, the more love and light will be in your life. The further you stray from god, the closer to darkness, to evil, to the debase.

Eventually, all souls must return to God to be one again. The balance may swing, and we will go through (we MUST go through) periods of darkness, where evil reigns over the human consciousness - suffering is necessary for self-reflection and true learning experience. But God and goodness, by it's nature, will win out in the end.

>>127122313
No you idiot god is all powerful and doesn't care what happens.

>>127123865
>wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway

The imagery of the devil possessing you represents the fact that you've chosen to do so many shit things, you've become a slave to being a shitty person.
It's like porn addiction, or any addiction for that matter. No one makes you watch those videos, but you always claim you can't help it.

>>127122313

>life should be unicorns and gumdrops

You would never grow.

>>127123865
>the devil makes us do evil things
What kind of heresy is this? Jesus Christ, if atheists understood Christianity half as well as they thought they did we wouldn't need these shit threads.

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>>127122775
>Atheism is a tool of the Jews
Christianity is the Jew

>>127122866
>it's a test
That's what I told your mother when I raped her, "this is only a test of the emergency rape system".

>>127124027
>Mohammed (I assume you meant Muhammad)
>last prophet
I doubt God's last prophet was that pedophile piece of shit.

>>127122313
If you were a god, in what state would your worshipers be?

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>>127124321
>You would never grow.
Because God isn't all powerful and has the morals of a kike.

>>127124049
>Dualism
>in Christianity
Stop posting heretic.

>>127122313
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful

There's actually a third option there, which is that God is all-powerful and deliberately causes bad things to happen. Nice try (((atheist))).

>>127124709

God is beyond morality.

He is just as connected to the destruction as he is to the life.

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>>127124708
>If you were a god, in what state would your worshipers be?
I could think of a thousand better worlds than this fucking shithole

You're god is a kike and the only Never Never Land he created was Michael Jackson's rape palace because your god is a fucking kike

>>127124587
>Jesus the man who cast the money changers out of the temple and called the jews the synagogue of satan
>The man who is so scorned and hated by all kikes today that they won't even use a plus sign because they think it looks like a cross
>the man who is so reviled by kikes that in their satanic talmud they say he is in hell rotting for all eternity
I am convinced that anyone who posts what you posted is a D&C shill or a gullible retard.

>>127124953
It's not my god, m8.
I asked: if you were a deity, based on your life and state of mind, would your own worshipers be well off or would they suffer?

>>127122313
God is not a literal guy. God is an expression of the way of the world, the things outside of your control.

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>>127124776
>God is beyond morality.
Typical of a slave master.

>>127122823
If you have to ask it more than likely has a penis

>>127122313
Because I'm not an edgy 12 year old female and as a man I respect the power of God.

Now tits or gtfo.

I guess Lex Luthor posts on 4chan now
https://youtu.be/KuwNhed4ObU

>>127124953
I forgot it was summer.
Did mommy and daddy make you wake up and go to sunday school instead of sleeping in? That must have been hard on you, no wonder you are so bitter.

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>>127124626
>>Mohammed (I assume you meant Muhammad)
It's an Arabic name I write it as I pronounce it
Actually, we in Egypt pronounce it as Mahammad

>>I doubt God's last prophet was that pedophile piece of shit.

I said I will answer according to my faith you dumb burger

>>127122313
all the "terrible things" that happen are literally irrelevant in prospect of eternity, whether god exists or not. also without knowing the bad things you wouldn't be able to appreciate the good things.

that's a really retarded argument, burger.

>>127125084
>God is not a literal guy
Ever heard of Jesus?

>God absolutely has to be dedicated to furnishing my life with all of the joys I could ever request and there's no conceivable way that any god could ever be otherwise
Get the hell over yourself. God didn't make humans so that He could play maid. The whole of reality is an art piece. Terrible things are just the dark colors. Considering, in addition, that God offers eternal salvation for even potentially enduring some terrible things, you can't call it cruel. Being butthurt at your circumstances in life, even when they are lopsidedly beneficial to you and even when you otherwise wouldn't have been given life in the first place, is abominable hubris.

"terrible" is subjective. Therefor your argument is destroyed.

>>127122313
god doesnt exist.
but good morals do.
christianity is needed to give britain a good correcting.

The deepest learning, reflection and understanding comes through pain and suffering. Think about heartbreak, for instance: it can be intense, world-breaking pain, yet people come through heartbreaks as changed people (for the better or for the worst - part of the human experience is to learn how to deal with pain, to use it to help you grow rather than succumb to despair). They say the only thing worse than having your heartbroken is never experiencing having your heartbroken.

We also have to understand God not as a distinctly separate being which rules over us like a monarch, but instead understand that each of is part of god, and our soul is a piece of the divine soul. God is us and we are God. God does not inflict pain on us like a kid with a magnifying glass nor does he subject us to torturous environments and experiences while he observes from afar - God, as us, is experiencing his own creation.

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god put us here on purpose when he kicked adam and eve out it says god did it out of hope

maybe he wanted people to look to god

and saying that he allows evil to exist makes him evil

its jumping to conclusions without full evidence of whats going on

it doesnt disprove god or that hes all powerful

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>>127124983
>Jesus the man who cast the money changers out of the temple and called the jews the synagogue of satan
The JEWISH TEMPLE you fucking slave! Did your church ever raise money?
satan = Aramaic word meaning "adversary", any adversary

Satan the character = Catholic meme to demonize our ancestral gods

>The man who is so scorned and hated by all kikes today that they won't even use a plus sign because they think it looks like a cross
They want to keep baby kikes out of the slave cult so they can be slave masters over you and kill your brother in Zionist wars.

>hell
A viking myth

>I am convinced that anyone who posts what you posted is a D&C shill or a gullible retard.
You're a fucking slave and I'm saving you from Jewish mind control

>>127122313
In theology this is referred to as the problem of Good and Evil.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
-- Epicures

This problem was created when Christianity changed most of scripture from poly-theism to mono-theism. Suddenly there was the Devil (Trickster, Chaos, Perturbation, Opposition, Temptation) separate from the Pantheon of Gods (all with their justified functions). This was further exacerbated by anthropomorphizing this very human internal feeling and behavior into a lesser Deity with it own will. Perhaps we did this out of weakness: It is easier to claim some external force seduced you, than to admit you was not strong-willed enough to let ratio celebrate a victory over animalistic urges.

The solution to this problem is to acknowledge Abraxas. In the Seven Sermons to the Dead, and later in the Red Book, Carl Gustav Jung united God into a single God. As He contained both Evil and Good, He is more powerful than the Judeo-Christian God. In that, He is also afraid of itself.

From http://gnosis.org/library/7Sermons.htm

This is a god whom ye knew not, for mankind forgot it. We name it by its name Abraxas. It is more indefinite still than god and devil.

Light and Darkness.
The Hot and the Cold.
Force and Matter.
Time and Space.
Good and Evil.
Beauty and Ugliness.
The One and the Many.

What the god-sun speaketh is life.

What the devil speaketh is death.

But Abraxas speaketh that hallowed and accursed word which is life and death at the same time.

Abraxas begetteth truth and lying, good and evil, light and darkness, in the same word and in the same act. Wherefore is Abraxas terrible.

It is the lord of the toads and frogs, which live in the water and go up on the land, whose chorus ascendeth at noon and at midnight.

>>127122313
God does it for teh lulz.

Alsp certain doctrines say God keeps Satan around as a strawman to defeat to show that he is right. Also to keep shitheads out of Heaven.

>>127122594
G. O. D
>Grantor Of Dominion

There is no bearded white guy that lives in the clouds watching you spank your wife while she calls you daddy, and judging you

We all sentence ourselves at death based on our personal frequency, like a bubble in the lake floating to the top, or like a stone sinking to the bottom, we go where we belong, like attracts like

There are only 2 emotions love and fear

Love increases your frequency
Fear decreases your frequency

It's as simple as that

>>127122313
The devil exists to prove that sentient beings who are given the knowledge of good and evil still choose evil, just like Adam and Eve. Hence, why we need a savior, etc.

Freedom is important to God. Would a benevolent God not give you free will? God won't force you to be with Him for eternity if you don't want to. To suggest that forcing people to do what He wants is somehow more benevolent is silly.

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>>127125566
>Then he is malevolent.


wrong

he sends me to heaven for eternity

i dont think hes malevolent except to the wicked normies

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>>127122313
God is all powerful.

This particular universe is a Free-Will universe, thus "bad" things are capable of transpiring.

>>127125524
>i cant answer an easy question because my low IQ only let's me shit on the internet

disappointing.

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>>127125202
Slave mocks a free Aryan because he wants his magical Jewish gay sky daddy to love him.
It's not even summer so save your boring meme talk faggot and try to be funny on your own

>>127123475
That's because the problem of evil hasn't been solved by theists.

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>>127122313
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful

The easiest explanation for the existence of evil in the world is that there is no God.

Baby born with a terrible disease or baby born with perfect health - random events.

You're a member of an oppressed minority or member of oppresive majority - random event.

Everything makes so much sense without God.

>>127125356
>no god
>but good morals
Lel. You have no working definition of "good" in the first place. Let me guess: It's something that doesn't hurt you and makes sure that your feefees feefeel nice.

>>127122313
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
This not a complete argument. You haven't stated that God is "good" or proven that your interpretation of "terrible" things is anything but an interpretation.

You're missing premises and they are probably flawed premises, which is why you think there is a contradiction.

>>127125297
>I will answer according to my faith
Doesn't your faith accept that Mahammad was a pedophile? Islam is a bad fanfiction and it is so disconnected from Ancient Judaism and Christianity I wonder how anyone got duped by a merchant.

>>127122313
>God laid up in his throne
>multitude of angels worshiping Him
>creates man on earth
>one special angel aka Lucifer stands up and says "I betcha I could rule them better than you God"
>creates doubt among the other angels
>God knowing how it will all end allows the trial
>God allows trial bc he is justice
>once it's all over - no one or anything will disobey God again bc precedence will have been set

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>>127125509
>god put us here on purpose when he kicked adam and eve out it says god did it out of hope
Count the generations, retard. Adam and Eve only go back to around 4500BC. Humans existed before that.

is that the quote from Batman vs Superman?

>>127122313
Following the principals of religion causes man to work towards a higher purpose rather than following base instinct and living only for himself in greed and hedonism.
When you grow up you'll realize its not whether you believe in God or not, its whether society functions better with worship as a lynchpin designed to prevent people from falling to only care about their own interests.

There is a god. It doesn't like us.

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>>127125713
see baby with terrible disease thats awful we need god more

so that way we look to the new earth where everything is perfect

>>127125866
humans did not exist before that they can put any date they want on any artifact

>>127125524
I guess I was right about you being a drooling retard.

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Thread theme

https://youtu.be/4Eo84jDIMKI

>>127122313

The concept of good and evil come from

>>127125524
>Hell is a myth
Gonna need some Biblical sauce, heretic. Lake of Fire imagery and descriptions of Hell are numerous.

>>127122313
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
>skydad faggot

Says who? You? God is all things. Wether or not you think something is 'terrible' is your own perspective. Did it ever occur to you that things you think are unfortunate serve a purpose in a greater scheme? Apparently you think 'God' is some guy that doles out justice based on your own personal perspective. Which doesn't invalidate religion, it just says you are self centered and somewhat infantile about your religious ideas.

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>>127125834
Luficer is a Roman God, you stupid nigger. And Apparently he's can trick your dumb YWHY into abusing his creation -- or maybe it's because your Jew god is a LIAR!


>>127125696
Did that post say (you) moron?

I would limit suffering comparable to this horrific world where nothing compares and nothing else matters but pain and fear and all is motivated by the will to power because of constant fucking destruction.
OK!

>>127125830
>Doesn't your faith accept that...
But that doesn't disprove anything. This is as bad as a liberal who calls you a racist and thinks they won the argument.

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>>127122313
God is not what modern religions have filtered throughout history to convey him as ...

That's your first mistake. As to who or what god is .. that's for you to personally discover and journey to find in your personal life and connection to him. Organized religions are organized religions.

Before people began co-opting this powerful conception via :
> Paganism
> Shamanism
> Polytheism
> Monotheism (The holy grail of control)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
Animism is the oldest known type of belief system in the world that even predates paganism.

Animism -"breath, spirit, life" is the religious belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. Potentially, animism perceives all things—animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork, and perhaps even words—as animated and alive. Each individual had raw access to this.

>>127124503

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>>127126045
>Modern Christianity
Sex sells, eh Jew worshiper?
She's literally talking about her orgasm for Jesus haha

>>127122313

as an atheist the correct response to this is he is all powerful and lets terrible things happen, because to stop them would deny humans free will

>>127125699
You have no actual point or argument.
Every word you type is just vitriol, and I'm still convinced you are a shill (the amount of images you have) or a dumb-ass (no actual argument being put forward).

the premise is false. Free will exists, thus the correct question is: How likely is it that the human race is alive today, unless God. How come suffering always comes to an end if not God. Things going in a certain direction have a tendency to keep going in that direction, law of inertia.

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its time to take the gnosticism pill

theres actually 2 gods, the jewish old testament god who made the physical world, and the new testament god who is the god of light. The jewish god is responsible for all the terrible things and is trapping us in this physical world of suffering. He is preventing us from reaching our true potential by returning to the new testament god.

Lowest tier bait or actually too stupid to understand.

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>>127126268
>Animism -"breath, spirit, life" is the religious belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. Potentially, animism perceives all things—animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork, and perhaps even words—as animated and alive. Each individual had raw access to this.
Yeah in the grown world we call this "Classifications" aka Nature. Stop being an edgy Druid unless you're going to kill Jews with it.

>>127126206
>Luficer is a Roman God
oh, wow. why didn't anyone tell me this before. you spelled that out so clearly. you must be right.
>fucking pagans

Free will can't exist if God is omnipotent, omniscient AND also created everything.

It's impossible, and it reduces us to basically God's playthings in a game in which he already knows the outcome.

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why not

>>127126268
this guy gets it

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>>127122775
Kek

>>127125327
This.

>>127125702
There are tons of responses towards the problem of evil.
The world was good at its creation but evil came into the world as a result of man's sin (free will). The purpose in our life isn't to feel good it is to glorify God, and man can't truly glorify God if we are soulless automatons.

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>>127126125
>Gonna need some Biblical sauce, heretic. Lake of Fire imagery and descriptions of Hell are numerous.
Hell is a VIKING myth. How did you read over that? Look it up. It came in with the King James version. Hades is a roman God. Lucifer is a Roman God.

It's a fucking fake religion

Hell = Aramaic for "Sheol" = grave

Lake of fire = Zoroastrianism = magi/wisemen who visited baby Jesus. Zoroastrians were speaking of the end time lake of fire long before Jews were and their God (the lord of Wisdom/truth) is far more sane and pure than Jesus/YWHY

>>127123829
Her band is called Chvrches too

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>>127126502
the new testament is 1000x more brutal than the old testament. people who think the new testament is loving and the old testament was harsh LEL

Mark 9:42-48
42And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

>>127126947
I'm willing to listen to your arguments if you'll provide sources.

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>>127126502
>its time to take the gnosticism pill
Gnostics are a Jewish inversion of Zoroastrianism and its 'truth vs. lies and illusion.

Anti-Materialism is degenerate hatred of life and nature and your body.

GNOSTICISM = JEWED DOWN ZARATHUSTRA!

You're a plebeian and I'm better than you because of it. HAHAHAHA! BOW TO YOU BETTER!

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>>127125830
This thread isn't about Islam you dumb burger, I'm not trying to make you revert.

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>>127127197
WTF? I just gave you the keys to the kingdom man. What fucking school did you attend that you can sit that and act that lazy and ask for sources? Are you banned from using google?

It's time to get to WORK!

>>127126649
He is just a retard that doesn't realize how the word was translated into Latin

The former. Deal with it

>>127126661
>Free will can't exist if God is omnipotent, omniscient AND also created everything.
How so?

>>127126502
so the book of Revelation isn't just that? A book of REVELATION. Where Jesus REVEALS himself as God. Alpha and Omega. First and last. Beginning and end. Remember when he said, I came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Yeah, you're high as a kite.

>>127127365
You don't care about convincing people, clearly. You only care about feeling like you're right.

Sounds super Biblical.

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>>127122313
>tfw Lauren Mayberry will never be your gf

Without evil in the world we would never know good. If we watched as a child burned to death in a house fire we would consider that evil. But would two children dying in a house fire be twice as evil.

But what if it was 1890 and the child who died in the house fire was named Adolf Hitler? Would that be good or evil?

The answer to your question is: You have never known evil. Ever. Pray you never do.

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>>127126649
>>127127457

Don't have a hissy fit, slave. Or I'll pay your gay priest to convince you to kill yourself.

Lucifer = Morning Star
Jesus = Morning Star
Luciferians = Christians who pissed off the Pope

You ass clowns know nothing. It's sad

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>>127122313
>why would I still love and worship a god who couldn't interfere to save me from every evil?
That's like asking why would I still love my father, after he died, after I started taking care of myself, or any time he couldn't protect me from any pain.

>why worship a God who can but won't intervene?
Same thing. At some point I need to live on my own, make my own decisions, and take my own risks. My father cannot take care of me forever, but I love him regardless for making me, and sacrificing for me.

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>>127127570
If I wanted to "convince" people of things, I would just get a job as a Preacher and rob your bitch ass. But I'm a good person

>>127123865
>devil makes people
devil tempts and deceives people

>>127122997
"Free will" doesn't exist in objective nature but most people chimp out if they find out.

>>127122313
This is the dumbest argument and misses the second most important message in Christianity.
There are two types of bad things. One caused by nature, and the other caused by other humans. All harm caused by humans is preventable by an omnipotent God but you must realize that God values human free will above anything. Hence why Adam and eve had a choice to eat the fruit, despite the almost infinite harm that could come of it. God violating human autonomy to force us to do good is worse than is doing bad.
The second harm, of natural harm, while bad, is important. Virtue isn't virtue unless it slams up against vice. Natural harms create opportunities for vice or virtue to manifest itself. Adam wasn't a virtuous person in Eden, he could never be. It gives opportunity to actually be good.
And finally, man's earthly life is fleeting, and the true conclusion is the kingdom of heaven, so all the bad that occurs to one on earth is irrelevant, what matters is the bad or good one does.

The only hole I really see in my point is that God flooded to earth for Noah. But that's old testament Jewish shit, before Christianity really molded its proper philosophy.

>>127126922
>tons of responses
... and most of them are as silly as this one:
>The world was good at its creation but evil came into the world as a result of man's sin
How can men sin if the creation was good? Men are part of the creation. Good creatures don't sin. It doesn't even matter for the problem of evil. Even if men where bad, a benevolent God would still intervene to correct the consequences of man's sinful behavior.

>>127125647
Adam and Eve is a beautiful symbolic story predating the Bible, about growing up as a child and losing your innocence. First you wonder around in paradise, naked, not a care in the world. God (the external world) takes really good care of you, your parents work hard to keep you from danger. Then the snake comes and whispers in their ears: You could become Gods yourselves! Adam now hits puberty and gets a hard-on when he sees a woman. Eve gains Seduction +1 to Charisma. Adam first fucks Lilith. But she is a disobedient cunt and wants to go her own way. Lilith keeps on riding the cock carousel for now and mothers the Goyim race. Eve instead, seduces Adam for a taste of her moist apple and they become Creators of children themselves. Now instead of fucking around, Adam is thrown out of Paradise. He has to work the land. Eve has to endure the pains of child birth. And the circle repeats: They get children, make them a Paradise, guard them from the true evils of the world. Until they get old enough to fuck it all up again.

>>127127573
I like how the OP brought up matters of religion and existence as a whole and people just look at it and say "Never mind that. Lauren Mayberry is what matters here."

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non christians are not human either

so the majority of the bad shit that does happen in the world happens to biological robots

thats why they dont need to see the gospel either if theyre on a deserted island

theyre not gods children

its gods will for all men to be saved. all men will be saved. if youre a unbeliever non born again non child of god you dont have a consciousness

so god sends all real men to heaven

the present suffering does compare

Romans 8:18-21
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

>>127127824
There are no good people. If you'd read the Bible, you'd know that.

>>127124249
New American Standard Bible
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

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>>127127588
>Without evil in the world we would never know good. If we watched as a child burned to death in a house fire we would consider that evil.
HAHAHAHA!

The mind of a slave.

You (((Christians))) are the source of all evil
>see pic

>>127122313

No, there's a third option.

God is only capable of doing that which can be done, only knows that which can be known.

>>127122313
Underage

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>>127122313
Free Will.

>/Thread

>*tips loudly* m'lady

>>127122313
As explained by Hegel, concepts routinely have a mutual dependence. A master can only exist where there is a slave. Take away the slave, you have no master etc. The same is true of good and evil. They interdepended and inter-rely for their own conceptual existence. Take away evil and you just have moral neutrality. Take away good and you have moral neutrality. As such, it is fallacious to even try and argue that an 'all-good God' would remove evil. If he did, he wouldn't then be an all-good god as the concept of good would also be lost with the removal of evil. As such, God allows evil because it allows the recognition of him being Good. Without it, God would not be 'good' but just a morally neutral actor. Our creation itself then is to validate God's goodness. We are capable of observing his goodness through the experience of the concepts of good and evil in our lives.There could be no higher purpose for humanity.

>>127122313
you think this is a test of faith, wait until Muhammad comes for your head unless you convert to Islam.

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>>127122313
Why do you love a parent that allows you to feel pain? Why do you follow a government that doesn't provide everything for you? Why keep breathing if living leads to pain?

Because you are a retard, you can't see parallels and figure this shit out for yourself. Get a lobotomy and save us from your drivel. That level of intellect isn't much further below what you are now.

>>127123285
What lesson needed to be learned when your favourite god drowned a quarter of a million people in the 2004 tsunami?

>>127126268
Sorry about your thread. This was a good post.

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>>127128143
>There are no good people. If you'd read the Bible, you'd know that.
I have read it through and through and could teach it.
SO, If I don't believe but I was a REALLY good teacher that helped others to believe for like $80K a year would you approve of this? Serious question.

>>127127533
If he knows absolutely everything, all beginnings and all outcomes, and he creates something, it can't have free will.

Everything his creation does is something he himself chose, his creation doesn't have a choice.

At the beginning of his creation, he knew exactly how everything is gonna turn out, how every person will live their lives, and how they would think.
If he JUST knew everything, that would be fine, and there could be free will, but if he ALSO created everything, that means everything is just a game.

He could've changed the position of a single rock in the garden of eden that would have made me put on a red shirt today instead of a blue one or changed the position of a hair on Eve's head that would have drastically changed something, etc...

If he's all knowing, he can't create you with free will, because he's the one who knowingly gave you that specific will from the very beginning.

>>127126947
>Sheol and Hell are the same thing
They aren't and no Christian makes this claim.
Again I don't know how you are getting so hung up on translations of common words with multiple meanings.
FOR FUCKING EXAMPLE LUCIFER IS THE NAME OF A ROMAN GOD, BUT IT ALSO JUST MEANS "MORNING STAR." The name Lucifer (not the roman god dumbass) was attributed to Satan because of Isaiah 14

"12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

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>>127128185

sorry, but here

http://blessyahowah.com/

>>127128008
Maybe OP should stop using pictures of someone's waifu while making threads if he doesn't want his discussion derailed

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non believers burning in hell wont be able to feel pain because they were never actually people

only chosen children of god in the lambs book of life before the world was made

are actually humans with life in them

thats why when god sent the flood and saved noah

noah was the only man left

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>>127128301
>Free Will.
The illusion of choice that comes from some sky daddy saying "choose"

>>127123475
2000 years and your cult-members still can't answer it. Look at all the replies in this thread dodging the question. The reason you can't answer it is because your god does not exist.

>>127125315
Ever heard of Odysseus? Every culture has mythic heroes

>>127128441
Of course.

Philippians 1:15-18

It's very interesting to me that you'll spend so long arguing over nothing, but literally won't give support for the points I said I was willing to listen to. You should become a politician, if this conversation's any indication.

>>127127664
So when the Bible was translated into Latin (Vulgate) by Saint Jerome he used Latin?
That's quite a shocker.

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>>127127568
>he believes the book of revelations acid trip but the gnostic gospels are just a little too far "out there"

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>>127122313
If you don't pray daily AND do good things for your fellow man, God won't bother saving you. You can't just do one and expect The Almighty to be by your side at all times.

>>127122313
God allows terrible things to happen because without adversity you have no appreciation for good or opportunity to learn.

god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen.

duh

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>>127128374
>Why do you love a parent that allows you to feel pain?
Because they wouldn't, unlike your Kike monster god.

>Why do you follow a government that doesn't provide everything for you?
Because we're improving on justice. Idiot

Why keep breathing if living leads to pain?
Because fear is pain leaving the body. Doesn't mean your bible demon isn't a fucking mean spirited kike

>>127128600
>non believers burning in hell wont be able to feel pain because they were never actually people
Then there is no point in burning. Your kike god is trying to scare you then, not me.

>only chosen children of god in the lambs book of life before the world was made
Jews

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>>127128803
Gnosisticism is the way forward.

>>127128803
Revelation is very clear on adding to the canon. To suggest the gnostic gospels get a pass is totally unbiblical.

>>127128823
Good works don't remove bad ones. Your entire worldview is fundamentally flawed. If a rapist does community service, does that mean he shouldn't be punished? Of course not.

>>127124983
>literally jew religion from the same vein as islam and judaism
>not a jew shit religion

ok schlomo

>>127126502
The Incomparable Christ

13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

>>127128606

>sky daddy

Underage bait

>>127122997
Close leaf. For our free will to mean anything the environment we live in has to have a will of its own, hence bad things happen. That's the short answer.

>>127122313
Maybe God knows that human beings need suffering in order to be healthy.

He's definitely smarter than u.

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all people who belong to a denomination like orthodox or catholicism are not born again christians theyre deceivers and follow a head of the beast system the new world order one world religion

>>127128949
its so we can look upon the trespassers of the lord and what they did

im not sure exactly .. god only told me that unbelievers are not men.

they dont feel pain like a born again believer does because its basically a computer

>>127122313
To truly know good we must know what evil is. To truly know evil we must go through suffering.

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>>127128784
>You should become a politician, if this conversation's any indication.
So a politician or a preacher? haha

>>127128792
You understand that the translation is wrong then? Lucifer is a Latin word referring to Christ.

>>127122313

>God created a woman so beautiful she makes my brain hurt

>He gave her the personality of a hateful, annoying toilet brush

What a cunt.

>>127129280
>Lucifer is a Latin word referring to Christ.

Are you just a deep-thread troll? What's your deal?

>>127129058
Actually, he's very comparable.........to Horus. His entire story was plagiarised from Horus.

>>127129341
To truly know waifus we must go through basic bitches.

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>>127129194
>im not sure exactly .. god only told me that unbelievers are not men.
>they dont feel pain like a born again believer does because its basically a computer
Dude... You sound like psychopath. Are you a Jew?

>>127128394
all flesh is grass

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>>127129444
Thank you for triggering the dispensation of this image.

>>127127986
>How can men sin if they are part of the creation
Man wasn't bad at his inception but he had free will.

Genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

We are made in God's image and have free will, we are not creatures like your disgusting atheism pushes forward. You attributing free will to evil is a weird jump.
>a benevolent God would still intervene to correct the consequences of man's behavior
Another baseless claim. God has intervened in the world and given us truth (The Bible). Whether we choose to accept truth is up to us. Life isn't a fairy tale and our purpose isn't to feel good or never experience pain. It is to glorify God and God can't receive glorify from soulless automatons.

>>127129444
You're kidding, right?

Christ is the ONLY historical account of a resurrection -- ever. To say it's invalidated because there was a MYTH about a resurrection means absolutely nothing. 5700+ manuscripts of the NT, all in agreement. All the witnesses were willing to die to assert that what they had SEEN WITH THEIR OWN EYES was the truth. Seriously, get better bants.

>>127123285
How else?! God is supposed to be omnipotent. Surely he could find another way.

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>>127129495
we arent like jews where we teach you can teach goyim like cattle because we have to love our neighbor

but ultimately the bible says he is going to literally obliterate all these non believers

so christians arent in the business of doing it but every christian knows whats going to happen when god does it ... at the end of the world

2 Thess 1:7-10
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

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>>127122823

Thats Lavren.

How new are you?

She's like the Anti-Swift.

https://youtu.be/wqzE8Cc-zag

She really hates us :(

Can an all-knowing and all-powerful computer programmer ever "really" make a random number generator?

This is why free will can't exist if your God does.

Think about it...

>>127129698
You're redefining "omnipotent" to mean what you want. Omnipotence doesn't mean you can make a square also be a circle. What occurs in our world is limited, inherently... by the limitations God created and put into place.

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>>127129388
>Are you just a deep-thread troll?
I don't know what that means. I'm telling you "morning star" is a Christ reference = lucifer. The Pope made "Luciferians" into bad guys because they were monks that he elt threatened by back in the earliest days of Christianity. I think it might of been Pope Pias or Innocent, I can't remember.

Bow down and kiss my toe you fucking plebeian, I'm schooling you

>>127129004
>Revelation is very clear on adding to the canon. To suggest the gnostic gospels get a pass is totally unbiblical.
So have you got any way to justify your position, or are you just programmed to say that because of the church and church history? Marcion was essentially a Gnostic and he had a canon including Paul, many years before the church adopted one in response. The version we have now also includes additions (Which were absent in Marcion's versions) that are inserted completely out of context.

In conclusion, you're full of shit and you need to think a little bit more about what you're told and actually do some research instead of just assuming. But you know what they say, if you repeat something enough times, people will believe it. And the "official" new testament canon has been repeated enough to where people can't even speculate on the possibility of thinking outside the box.

God likes a good fight, just like all real men should.

>>127129913
If you don't think God can successfully preserve His word in the canonical Bible, you've made up a different God.

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>>127129665

>MYTH

Hahahahahaha

>>127126958
and when i recover will u be my comfort ... that shit was dope

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>>127129728
>flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not Go
That's totally ripped off from Zarathustra, lol -- which was really popular at the time in Rome and Constantine didn't want Romans converting to a Persian faith (Mithra-ism)

>>127122313
God allows terrible things to happen, there is indeed no question about that-yet you people are not reasoning as to why he might be operating this way.

Think about it, morality wouldn't exist without good or evil, without conflicting arguments then there is no point in trying to persuade-without death then there is no need to live. Without the devil, god would be nothing, and without order, there would be no chaos. Balance my friend. It's what sustains our reality.

Why strive to create, to invent and craft a better world for our coming generations without experiencing any horrors throughout our lives?

>>127129737
>/mu/
>triggering feminists
I thought that /mu/ was ultra nu-ey.

>>127122313
There is no God.

Just us and the ayys. And the prime creator who doesn't have any control of your day to day life.

>>127128443
You are making this weird jump and saying because he created us, he controls us.
Creation is simply that, creation. If free will didn't exist we couldn't bring glory to God and obviously we would all be preprogrammed to accept God.

>>127130061
>total non-argument when confronted with the multitudes of historical evidence supporting Christ's story

Don't forget Tacitus on Christ and Josephus on Jesus, fedora.

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1 Thess 5:6-10
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

>>127127588
Yeah if God had killed Adolf as a child that would still be evil. You stupid (((Christian))) get the fuck off of this board

>>127122313
one thing he not is, is real..

>>127122313

You're extremely petty in thinking god would step in and violate everyones free will just to save a few people from dying. We have absolute control here and anything bad that happens is a result of our own actions and inability to plan correctly or recognize and respond to dangers. Its not a fault of god.

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>>127129949
>God likes a good fight, just like all real men should.
He likes to watch us fight and laugh while he's chilling on a cloud.

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If god was real I'd have a 9-inch cock. Checkmate, theists

>>127129737
>She really hates us :(
I don't care that she hates us, I'm just happy she knows who we are. It makes my heart flutter every time she says "4chan".

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>>127129665
Did you just make the assertion that the Bible is "historically" accurate and that witness accounts from are of any validity?

>>127122313
god loves all his children and wants to redeem us. he never promised us that life would be without pain. god feels and understands the pain we feel in our lives and promises that this mortal life isnt the end.

I read this whole thread and I just dont understand how christians are allowed to speak for god. There is no way to science this like, you can quote the bible ALL DAY. You can give me shitty manuscripts and tell me how stupid i am for not beliving in the drivel that is any organised religion.

Its all about belief. Until i fucking see concrete evidence of proof of any existance of a diety. Because so far there is nothing convincing. But im just furious over people talking like they are the fucking apostle of god like let me tell you how i know what god thinks. Christians all of you can go fucking suck a fat one you delusional fucks.

>>127124709
Would you cure someone who doesn't respect you?

>>127129280
>Lucifer is a Latin word referring to Christ
Lucifer is a latin word meaning "morning star" so in context of a passage Lucifer can refer to Christ. It was also used as a word for John the Baptist. I still fail to see your point?

Lucifer is a WORD and can be applied in certain contexts to a lot of things.
I don't see what is so hard to understand here.

>>127130116
Nigga, the Mithraic mysteries weren't even related to Zarathustra. It was basically a sun god cult popular among the legions that centered around an imported foreign deity (something the Romans did all the time).

Cult of Isis, cult of Epona, etc. The Romans weren't afraid to assimilate foreign gods.

>>127125702
>That's because the problem of evil hasn't been solved by theists.

Which is funny, because things like "good" and "evil" don't make any sense in an atheistic worldview. The problem of evil is more of a problem for atheists. How does evil logically exist in a your worldview?

Does nature care that some guy blew up a bunch of kids? No? Then why do you? Isn't your sense of justice a mere evolutionary response, which was randomly selected by nature? It's obviously not divinely inspired, is it? And more importantly, it's not put there by a higher intelligence, or any sentient intelligence at all, because you don't believe in that. In fact, nature could have easily made you rejoice at the idea of murder, and you could consider that moral. Nature doesn't care. Natures doesn't set rules or prescribe right and wrong.

You guys are making moral judgments against a god, when you don't even have a moral basis from which to make them. Even worse, you adopt the morals of western judeo-christian society in order to make those judgements against god.

You guys are such smart philosophers, maybe you should spend more time thinking about your illogical worldview instead of posing bait questions to 'dumb' christians.

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>>127130460
Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSIs2bHi5g

Noah’s Ark
https://youtu.be/xFpvKKmTF7c

Moses parting the Red Sea
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d90NM9tgDQE

Mount Sinai and surrounding areas
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=18gvJwx8VyI

>>127122313
>makes childish argument.

CHORKMORT CHRORSTIONS!

>>127122313
Born in the ever-flowing life beyond the dirt
Tell me what the purpose is for creating the earth
(Maybe we created the planet as man's habitat
Be fruitful and multiply across the planet's back)
Well, why does hate exist?
The war and AIDS and shit?
If we're to be fruitful, why can't poor people pay they rent?
('Cause love and hate, both sides are conjoined
Physical forms have to deal with both sides of the coin)
Why do we die? (So you can live!)
Why do we strive? (So you can win!
But why did you defy every truthful word I recommend?)
My question back, why do you recommend an ode temptationing
(So I can test your patience and tolerance in the face of sin)
But why attest when you hold all the answers to the state we in?
(For you to bear witness of imperfections of mortal men)
So it's a lesson? (And a blessing
Journey back to where you been
'Cause before the tree can flourish seeds must first be planted in)

>>127130229
There is one source for your magic faggot, champ. Just one. The babble. Did it ever occur to you that the shit in the babble was made up, just like you believe that every other god was made up?

>>127122313
No. Lets just concentrate on our common enemy. Islam.

Somehow arguing about gnostisim, philosophy, the nature of space time, evolution and what Hitler believed, no longer seems very important.

Not when we're under siege.

Deus Vult!

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>>127130466
>Would you cure someone who doesn't respect you?
Yeah, and I'd help a stray dog too.

I'm not a petty little kike like your "god"

>>127130441
Literally all available historical evidence confirms the New Testament and Jesus' life.

If you're seriously going to make the argument that the most scribed book in history is not reliable, you must necessary not believe any story before photographic evidence existed. Do you seriously believe that?

You must think George Washington didn't exist, either.

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book of revelation themes in every music video or tv commercial ever made

god made the earth and everything therin

>>127130466
>god is so petty he would rather have his creations suffer in his absence if they are unable to find belief of him

Always circulates back to that, god loves you, until a Christian reminds you that he in fact, fucking hates you.

>>127130460

Your existence is testament enough. You dont honestly believe this "just happened" do you? Thats ridiculous.

>>127126603
In the (((grown world))), faggots pretend like modern religion is somehow different than this via concepts like a holy trinity and God.

Stop pretending modern organized religion is anything other than a retelling and political version of this root truth.

>>127129845
17The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” 18And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

>>127130441
That's exactly what he did. christfags. They really, truly are this stupid.

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>>127130116
Your god

>>127130612
I literally just provided you two non-Christian, non-Biblical sources confirming Jesus lived. Tacitus on Christ, Josephus on Jesus (plus Jewish sources). Not to mention, y'know, that the Bible is made up of a few dozen books... I guess compiling them into one is somehow a detriment to reliability, though, right?

You're looking for a reason to discredit it because God's existence forces you to confront your guilt.

Literally all the apostles died for asserting that what they had seen with their own eyes was the truth. Do you think they were all lying to the point of death? Why would they?

>>127122313

Just so you know OP, the problem of evil has largely been solved in contemporary philosophy. This question is antiquated at best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga

>>127130229
>total non-argument
>fedora

kek

>>127130441
Prove that the Bible isn't historically accurate.
Remember that history consists of recorded history so try not to quote anything pre-Moses.

>>127130612
Personally I'm of the opinion that there is simply a realm higher than ours where various entities have fought over our worship as an energy source to sustain them. The Christian/Jewish god is simply the strongest for now.

They don't often intervene in our world because that would consume energy that they don't wish to waste. If they do it's to further expand their worshipers or to cripple another god.

>>127130050
>the canonical Bible

Matthew 7:13-14:
>Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
>Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Sorry brother but Jesus own words contradict the idea that the "most popular" interpretation can be correct. For example, one third of the world is Catholic. You really think that is few or a narrow way?

Because the very short time we have here on earth is so infinitesimally (sp?) small and meaningless compared to the alleged everlasting paradise waiting for Us

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Matthew 13:41-43
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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>>127122313
i'm a Christian mostly because you are a fuck-tard that sux a lot of dic....

1. A pedophiles is someone who has sex with a child
2. Aysha was a child when Muhammad had sex with her
3. Muhammad is a pedophile

>>127130460
>Because so far there is nothing convincing.

That's your problem, not ours. And let's not pretend that all you need is scientific evidence. People are emotional, have baggage, prejudices, etc. Some are a lot easier to convince than others, when presented the exact same information. And that has everything to do with the person, not the information.

Let's assume jesus was the real deal. Even he couldn't convince some people to believe. So go ahead and be stubborn. God didn't set out to save everyone. Many will be lost, and serve as an example to those who god elected to save. We'll look back at people like you and thank god he didn't make us all so stubborn.

>>127130193
I get what you're trying to say, but religious people always argue this the same way. You either argue ONLY from the "all knowing" part, or the "creator of everything" part.

It's the combination of both being all knowing AND the creator of everything that makes free will impossible.

If he was ONLY all knowing (and didn't create everything), then sure, he knows what you're going to choose, but that doesn't change the fact that it's your choice.
If he was ONLY the creator of everything (and not all knowing), then of course, he can create something without having any idea what his creation will choose.

But if you combine them together, it's impossible. Like I said in >>127129813

If he's both, then he created everything, knowing ahead of time, exactly how everything would turn out. Right down to the conversation we're having right now. And if he wanted to, he could've made it different, but he didn't. He created our "wills" from the very beginning. They're not "free". They can't be.

>>127128440
Thanks and it's fine. Red-pilled bread hardly ever gets discussed around here. Shill threads, bait threads, and foolishness are becoming more and more of the trend as /pol descends into normie trash tier ville.

>>127130683
>not reliable

Invisible fag zaps up universe with magic wand.
Talking snakes.
Every animal species on the planet herded onto a wooden boat.....

*reliable*

I think God cared about us once, but abandoned mankind once He saw that we were flawed beyond redemption.
Which means tha God Himself is flawed, since His creations are.

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satan coming down from heaven as lightning
the door closing to heaven
russia coming and the catholic chuch coming
the nuke going off in SoCal and people dying
the mark of the beast and something with donald trump
the great tribulation with the nwo
people in heaven with jesus shining as stars

>>127129646
>So God created mankind
>we are not creatures
Literally means being created, you fucking moron.
>You attributing free will to evil is a weird jump.
That was you, not me, you poor fool. You said free will let man sin. This, of course, contradicts your narrative that God created mankind in his own image. God doesn't sin, so man shouldn't sin.
>Another baseless claim.
A benevolent God doesn't let people suffer. That's literally the meaning of "benevolent".
>Life is to glorify God
So God is a narcissist who creates us just for his glorification. As if that's not enough, he lets them suffer. You are worshipping the epitome of evil.

>>127130460
>allowed to speak for god
commanded to actually
New American Standard Bible
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

>>127131389
He' s talking about the New testament, faggot.

If God were all-powerful he would have created the world in the blink of an eye instead of in six days, and he would not have needed to rest afterward. The Immaculate Conception also would not have been necessary.

Go ahead and sneer at him for all this and see where it gets you.

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>>127122313
Watch this and thank me later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onnG3cMG_c0

>>127122313
i really hope this is bait, we live in a fallen world ruled by satan this life is a test pls go kys and go to hell with ur low iq

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i became a christian through hard evidence

i was researching illuminati symbolism in music videos in 2012 and figured out that it just gets deeper and deeper
it was impossible for it all to be human orchestrated

because it was supernatural even corresponding to current events before they happened

even something as simple as robbin williams committing suicide in a episode of family guy before he did it

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>>127130520
>Lucifer is a latin word meaning "morning star" so in context of a passage Lucifer can refer to Christ. It was also used as a word for John the Baptist. I still fail to see your point?
That is my point you moron. Also the Luciferians made the meme into a "devil". Why do you think Lucifer refers to the devil and not Christ.

You know why you can't see? Because you can't be wrong

>>127130536
>Nigga, the Mithraic mysteries weren't even related to Zarathustra
WRONG! SO WRONG. You're ignorant as fuck. Read more and stay off jewtube

>>127131367
I really want a religion board on 4chan. I've been pushing it for a long time and often make thread on /qa/ about it. The problem is that all the fedora tipping fuckboys come out of the woodwork and say hurrdurr you have /x/.

>>127131389

Implying your alternative of just poofing into existence for no reason is any less ridiculous.

>>127130520
>Lucifer is a WORD and can be applied in certain contexts
for instance Luci-fer-desi. Lucille Ball married Ricki Recardo, I see how it works

>>127130724
>>127130724
Is it honestly any more ridiculous than believing anything else? I mean i can make up anything and as long as i believe it there is nothing you can do.

For me i will forever sit on the fence and just laugh as people jump off into either side. I have a feeling though that eventually the truth of our existance will come to fruition. OR humanity is doomed to never know the truth of their existance and can only emulate it through having a higher power (something out of your hands) is pulling the strings in the background. I see both sides to theism vs athiesm both dont have conclusive results although through science im sure we can go far.

It just seems we all think we have the right answer but we could be wrong on like 10 different levels. So much that its having negative results on our society through our beliefs. Nothing is giving me the 'ah ha! Thats the truth!'

Thats why i am forever a fence sitter.

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this image proves YHWH is the creator how would the egyptians predict computers and the internet and pepe all in one swoop?

Exodus 8:7
And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

>>127129837
You're the one bending the definition of omnipotence not me. Who's to say God couldn't make a circle a square? Why is he limited in that respect. Further, how is God limited to being an untrustworthy god, creating a world of near infinite trials, tribulations, and just plain random suffering? How can God not teach without these 'tools?'
>inb4 "Free will"
Is God not Omniscient? Doesn't he already know who will die without being saved? If he must have a world of suffering to teach, how is he still limited in not being able reach/teach everyone?

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>>127131840
>i was researching illuminati symbolism in music videos in 2012 and figured out that it just gets deeper and deeper
>it was impossible for it all to be human orchestrated
Illuminati is a modern marketing campaign to cover up for Jewish Communism = NWO

You're covering for them too

>>127124587
wow great iq there bud, what a great mom joke when it litrally didnt happen, go kys and go to hell

>>127131792
It's not about sneering, but about not wasting a fraction of your limited life on worshipping something that either doesn't exist or is unworthy of it.

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>>127130925
>Your god

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>>127132078
you havnt researched it enough if youre still blue pilled

the symbolism never ends and it all comes from the bible showing the end of days in the book of revelation

every single movie, tv show, commercial, music video

go look into it some more its supernatural put there by spiritual realm which controls the way things get expressed on earth

>>127131814
This is true.

2 Corinthians 4:4
John 12:31

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actually op god is an abstraction of moral truth and of the ideal mode of being and is not in itself a being that can directly influence the material world. namaste

>>127122313
>Trinity of God
>Divided, imperfect essences make a perfect whole
>Said essences still capable of independant decisions and observations
>Can't understand that only REAL abrahamic religions (as in, the people worshipping God REALLY descends from Abraham) have a indivisible and perfect God, that is, a paradoxal abomination.
Anon, I...

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>>127132083
Hell is a viking myth. You must be pagan

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>>127131581
>He saw that we were flawed beyond redemption
AND WHOSE FUCKING FAULT WAS THAT?
I build a car and it's shit that can't run, so I blame the car?
I build a house that's shit and falls in, so I blame the house?
This is a guy who every Tom Dick and Harry seems to think is an absolute nuomenon of power and omniscience, but despite having infinite power he has zero responsibility for the problems in his creations.
God creates man out of dirt and spends the rest of eternity punishing him for being dirty.
edit; should have finished reading before replying

>>127131029
>the problem of evil has largely been solved
blowing up children,

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>>127131983
when you type the stupid shit you typed...

3 mildly retarded dumbfux mount your mom...

gj dumbfuc

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>>127131327
The issue with the whole christian narrative is that it's set upon by a concept of heaven in which there are angels and Lucifer. They all had enough free-will due to Lucifer being able to rebel against god and due to a number of angels going along with him.

In essence, the adam/eve story is a re-telling of the heaven rebellion... One given all sorts of charms/gems/etc (humans) decided to go against god's one command causing a fall from grace ... One became many and then there was a war in (heaven version 2 : earth) whereby good and evil fight it out until good eventually prevails...

Literally the story of heaven + angels + rebelled angels. So, what is this a recursive infinite loop? The point wasn't made or foreseen or corrected the first time it happened in heaven?

So yeah, the whole christian organized religion spin on this has gaping holes all over the place w/ their narrative.

Religion is tens of thousands of years old.
Christianity isn't the one and only true religion.
The whole idea that it is or that God revolves around it is fucking asinine as shit in the grand scope of religious history.

The whole reason there is so much warring centered around the monotheistic middle-eastern religions is because they are the holy grail of human authority and control over others. Do you fight over gravity on a daily basis or just accept it as self evident truth?

People fight over lies and half truths.
There are hella half truths and lies found under christianity

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>>127122313
Bad and mistaken argument.
Always been bad.
Always.

>>127131804
>William Lane Craig

I've watched so much of that asshat already. No one's wasting their time watching that, buddy.

Dude hasn't given a single point of substance to any debate he's been in. He just parrots fucking KALAM over and over and over and over again.

Fucking annoying.

>>127122313
>atheists don't like reality
>therefore god's not real
really makes you think

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>>127132293
>material world
= jewish gnostic inversion of Zoroastrianism

>"god lives in non-material world where everything is not that thing or this thing just magic and mental like my stupid druggy dreams"

>>127132339
This is a great post nonetheless.

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>>127122997
/thread
if god would step in there wouldnt be free will anymore. all the evil we do to ourselves.

>>127132078
This is correct

>>127132246
No, ((( they ))) are Anti-christ. How can you get any more anti-Christ than actually murdering the Christ? Also, even Satanists don't hate Jesus as much as they do.

>>127122313
god can be all powerful and bad tings happen because he gave people free will. intervening would be denying the free will he gave. assuming you believe in god

>>127131814
Explain why we needed to repeat the war in heaven and the fall from grace therein via version 2 human beings? Why didn't God resolve the rebellion and the war and the conflict amongst angels? Why did it have to recurse an even further level? This is, per the biblical narrative.

Clearly the angels had free will which is why they went against God...God created angels.

So, why was there a need to create version 2.0 if he is all seeing/knowing?

You create something that rebels against you in version 1 and causes suffering
You create something that rebels against you in version 2 and causes suffering.

WTF gives man? Obviously there's more to the story and backstory to creation that what christians put on to.

Other organized religions at least have more scientifically grounded/believable stories.

>>127130679
You praise God to keep yourself humble...

>>127132529
This is so retarded. You really don't understand Gnosticism. It's the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Judaism. In Genesis, Elohim creates the material world and say that it's "good". Jews believe that the world was made good, ergo the material world is good. Gnostics believe the opposite.

Now stop spreading this completely false garbage.

>>127122775
>implying
Dude christianity is pretty much judaism with a holy sequel that tells them an easier way to not be assholes.

>>127122866
A test known by an omniscient being... Because that makes sense

>>127131327

It's debatable whether or not god exists outside of time and space. But let's assume he doesn't, and that time is a straight line which started with him (making him eternal).

It's safe to say God knows everything and is witness to all things. In that case he's omniscient, and is an expert about who we are, but he doesn't live in the future. He has the power to shape events though, as needed, which does allow him to know the future because he can make it to his liking (all powerful), without necessarily dictating every single action we make.

If I give my nephew matches, I know he's going to play with them. Did I make him pull out the matches and burn himself? No. I simply know his nature, that he's inclined to do that, and perhaps indirectly I'm responsible for not putting the matches away. But he's still made the decision, within his nature, to do what he did. Humans are fundamentally sinful, so we make the world a terrible place. That's on us. God obviously knew we would, perhaps that's on him.

I think all of this is a moot point as god is responsible one way or another, but ultimately we as humans can't see the big picture, so getting your panties in a twist over this is childish. I felt the same way in my early 20s and struggled with the issue of a good god coexisting with an evil world. But the reality is you're getting upset from a point of ignorance. When you know as much as god does about why we exist and what the end of everything is supposed to look like, then you can criticize him. That's basically the lesson of Job.

Until then, you sound like a soldier refusing to take orders because from your narrow point of view, you think your commander is doing a bad job, when perhaps he knows more than you do, and is actually making a good call. But you sit back and judge from a place of ignorance. With maturity you'll stop acting this way. Some people get there, some don't.

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>>127132630
>if god would step in there wouldnt be free will anymore. all the evil we do to ourselves.
God interferes all the fucking time and if he's planning on an ending to the story where everyone gets separated into two camps -- so then the game is rigged and there is no free will

Idiot

>>127131592
>benevolent
"well meaning and kindly."
>So God is a narcissist
The Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent God who has created everything is a narcissist? Sounds to me like you are putting more worth in yourself than you actually have.

>>127132172
You are correct.

>>127132172
>Jesus was a jew related to what todat is considered jew
kys. Jewgle moar.

>>127130549
>"good" and "evil" don't make any sense in an atheistic worldview.
They make more sense in a atheistic worldview than in a theistic one. For most atheists "evil" is connected to suffering. For theists it just means whatever their tyrannic god doesn't want them to do.
>Isn't your sense of justice a mere evolutionary response, which was randomly selected by nature?
Not exactly randomly, but yes, morals are subjective, obviously.
>You guys are making moral judgments against a god, when you don't even have a moral basis from which to make them.
We have a moral basis. We just don't claim that it is somehow absolute (whatever that means). Now, the irony is that theist have no moral basis to judge their god. They are just blindly following orders.

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if you can zoom in on stars with a simple camera it proves the bible because god said he placed them on the dome firmament as lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xFd1gvkdk


proves YHWH is the creator

>>127132649
word jews are antichrist but illuminati symbolism is not a cover up for anything its just something that happens in all media because god puts it there to show the end of days

>>127131792
>retard doesn't realize that the timetable for creation is a model for humanity
Why do you think Sunday is the day of rest?

>>127123865
the devil tempts and god shows the good path

its up to you to make the choice
if you are hurt by other people's evil actions and you are good, youll be rewarded in the afterlife

if you dont believe in an afterlife, what is stopping you from committing suicide?

>>127132012

You'll grow out of your edgy teenage phase eventually.

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>>127132952
>You praise God to keep yourself humble...
On your knees slave!

>>127132965
No you don't understand Gnosticism. It's a fucking rip-off and bastardization Zoroastrianism. You just take things for face value like a cult member and never look into them

You inverted it because you turned Sophia against NATURE. You're a fucking slave

>>127128446
thank you, anon

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>>127122313
1. God is all powerful and allows miracles to happen so long as you are willing to be open to the Holy Spirit. He also lets us know what suffering is so we can grow to overcome it.

2. & 3. I worship God because I love and appreciate Him. It's childish to dislike or hate Him because bad things have happened or people are tempted to evil.

Thank you for making this thread, OP.

>>127131849
>Why do you think Lucifer refers to the devil and not Christ.
because of two passages in the Bible
Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

and

Luke 10:18
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.


Are you retarded?

>>127131858
Same. Were at a point in time in history where we need an open and broad based discussion of religion across the board. You take a simple look at religious history and you can see that all these forks can't be right. You begin to understand that most of the forks in religion and stories, laws, and books are nothing more than control constructs.

That being said, you know in your heart of hearts that there is clearly a creator(s). You know there's a back story and you know there's more to you than what is put on in the human world. You know there is something beyond and powerful beyond words at the heart of your existence. You know this to be reflected in every aspect of the universe. You know what's good and what's bad. You know what it feels like to love....

It's as if this truth was fractured and littered throughout various religions. No one religion holds the whole truth or understanding therein. There are lies in every religion and they were set upon because men understood how powerful they were w.r.t to controlling people's minds/spirits.

Instead of discussing things like this, people focus on shit tier habbenings in the world. /pol likes to behave like they're so woke and red-pilled but talk about silly ass politicians, interracial mixing, and other nonsense that is just another side of the blue pill normalcy of low brained pleblets.

Rarely do people focus discussions on deeper questions about existence.

I hear you brother... loud and clear.

>>127132630
>if god would step in there wouldnt be free will anymore.
Non-sequitur. We can mess up with our free will and God can still step in to protect us from the bad consequences.

>>127133290
I get it bro. People think differently than you. There, there. You can believe anything you want and think you're right i understand. I just dont see the appeal.

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guy maps out the entire world going by the script of the bible proving YHWH is the creator, he has thousands of videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxu71hL_2D0

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>>127122313
You're basically arguing that a just God would chain us like slaves and deny us an autonomous will.
This is straight up Sam Harris bullshit. I called him out on his stupidity a few years ago and he never replied.
Stupid Dunning Kruger cucks never have a reply.

>>127122313
Ok I'm athiest but that logic is retarded

"""""If""""" god exist tha he created us with the gift of free will, the greatest gift. He respects your free will and will not intervene when bad actions are committed, only punish them in the afterlife. Same goes the other way, you get rewarded in afterlife if yuo were gud boy

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>>127122313