Theists, Why do you believe in god? Atheists, Why don't

I am a Christian. The bible gives me a reasonable explanation of human behavior and explains the complexity of creation in a way that makes more sense to me than evolution. Life is to complex and beautiful to be the result of random processes.

Trump is an ashkenazi

>>126758025
Why are there unicorns in the bible.

>>126758153
That is true. Study the Hebrew entomology of the word, the writer was referring to a rhinoceros.

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>>126758153
It should either be an ox or pic related

There's no proof to back up anyone's assertions on God. Hindus think there are thousands of Gods, Catholics think there are three parts to God but none of them have anything in the way of evidence to back up what they say. It's just hearsay passed down from generation to generation. I don't really understand why anyone would believe there's a God. It's not rational.

>>126757246
I struggle with the concept of God. My father was an atheist and my mother was agnostic. Religion is like a gun, it's usefulness depends on the intentions of the person wielding it. I just don't know.

I don't believe in God because I wasn't a cuckboy who was forced to go to church by retarded boomer parents and played with my friends on Sundays instead

>>126757246
I am agnostic.

The only way I would ever actually believe in any of the many thousands of gods mankind has worshipped would be if there were proof they existed. Same goes for ghosts and such.

Even if it could be proven, I would not worship. Fuck that.

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>>126758633
Why are there so many versions of the bible. KJV, NKJV, ASV ect. which one is true.

Atheist / Agostic here.

I don't believe there is a good as I see no direct proof of a prime mover, and I've never had proof of it shown to me.

To believe in god? Show himself directly.

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>>126757246
Always have and it's the only religion with proof
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>>126759480
KJV is probably the least corrupt that is still readable

>>126759867
Why can not you say it is 100% correct.

>>126759480
I dont know about English, but I still use ancient Georgian translations (Modern Georgian can understand 99% of ancient language freely) that are pretty accurate. Though you need to know the context of the writing and historical period and circumstances it was written.

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>>126758025

"I am too stupid to learn how the world actually works, so I'll go with the made up version that is easier for my tiny brain to comprehend"

So, basically half of all religious people in a nutshell.

The other half mostly consists of "I am scared of death so I choose to believe in the afterlife for comfort", with a spattering of "I have schizophrenia and hear voices in my head".

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>>126759867
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>>126760129
video is kinda weird at first but it makes more sense latter in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=53BN9tTDoCw

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>>126760217
(you)

Theist here, I'm a theist (Christian) because nothing else is plausible, and I've personally witnessed God's love, grace, and power.

>>126759480
They are just different translation attempts. I prefer the KJV because it's what I'm familiar with. NIV uses more modern English and may be less threatening. Great care is taken in translating, but there are occasional issues, such as "Unicorns" mentioned above. Keep several versions to cross reference. They are amazingly consistent.

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>>126760217
>made up
>scared

or you just actually believe it

>>126760463
I have another question. How did Noah get dinosaurs on the ark?

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>>126760514

Thiest because of aristotles "the prime mover" and I can't believe in no beginning of time when you think about the theory of infinite regression.

>>126760514

Worshiping ignorance and ridiculing intellect, knowledge and science is why your country has no achievements to its name, nor you to yours.

>>126760788
or he got all the animals that survived so not all got in. or they died before
https://youtu.be/ji2cvuJ1mYg

>>126760217
One of the things that convinces me there is a God above all others is how hostile atheists are towards theists. There would be no reason to attack people so strongly or so frequently if you were not threatened by their beliefs to your core.

>>126761050
as if yours does

>>126761258
Do you think the antiChrist is coming within the next 20 years or so?

I believe in God mostly because I believe in the Bible and I talked to Him once.

>>126758025
>Life is to complex and beautiful to be the result of random processes.
Life is also messy, ruthless and chaotic. It's just all a big coincidence, that's why we are the exception in (at least) the Solar System.

>>126760788
Eggs or juveniles if they had not already gone extinct.

>>126761694
I have no idea. The world has seen bad times before and people are quick to jump to the conclusion that the end is near. It'll happen when it happens. The only thing different now is that Israel is a nation again and is regathering its population. That was a prerequisite.

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>>126761694
probably atleast in the next 200

i dunno about 20 years but id hope so, because that would be cool to see(probably going to die thogh)

>>126761321
We're pretty hostile toward mudslimes and their religion. Does that mean Allah is real?

>>126762271
i think one of the prophecies is people moving away from God. Also we basically are becoming Sodom but the whole West not just a city

>>126762344
atheists don't believe in anything supernatural at all though. Not saying he's right but with them it's different.

Agnostic-Atheist

There are so many to believe in just one, and all of them have similar impacts on my mind, usually a very dim version of the grandiose splendor commonly associated with the divine.
That's more worthy of my inspection.

>What would make you believe in god?

Tricky question.
Were I given proof then it would become knowledge and not a belief, so I can't say proof would be the convincing factor.
I honestly have no idea what would cause me to believe.

>>126757246
Atheist here. I was raised a Catholic boy but had my faith dwindling around the same time I realized Santa was fake. It wasnt until I read the Bible that I stopped believing in God. The amount of things disproven by science in the Bible is ridiculous. I explored other religions as well, I even read the quran for arguments against Islam I've had. I also came to the conclusion if God was real, as the one in the bible, I wouldn't want to worship such a wicked being, all powerful yet he lets us suffer for a fucking apple. Also according to the bible every single species has been inbred to shit, and no dinos

>>126757246
Agnostic here.
A mathematical, irrefutable proof that religious are right would do the job, although in this case it would not be a faith or belief but knowloedge.

>>126762344
I believe that is false equivalency. I said that atheists attack all theists, and that is pretty good evidence that the idea of a God is terrifying in some way to them, likely because they believe there is one deep down.
You are talking about one group of theists and how they are treated by most other groups, regardless of religious nature. That is a different circumstance entirely.

>>126761321

Typical christian logic. "They don't believe in it... so it must be true! Just like 9/11 was an inside job!"

Maybe we just think you are fucking retarded and that's why we attack you, just like you attack cucks, sjws, muslims and other groups that are also retarded and also hampering progress just like you are.

>>126761372

Norway has a high rate of scientific advancement compared to our barely 5 million population, especially within natural sciences and exploration but also in fields such as the oil industry (duh) and advanced weaponry. We build the surface-to-surface missiles on your ships.

>>126757246
>Atheists, why don't you believe in god?

There is no compelling evidence for it, and other explanations are much more likely and are supported by evidence.

2ez

>>126762274
Another question: Leviticus 25:44-46 it talks about bondmen and bondwomen (I google the word and found out it means slaves) why is slavery okay in the bible?!?!

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>>126757246
This is pretty generic, but I don't believe in god because I don't see evidence for god. Not for a good god and not for a bad god. As far as we know, most everything can be explained by natural processes. Our body and mind are explained by evolution, our universe is partially explained by the big bang. We don't know all, but by giving up superstition and relying on experimentation and predictability we have learned so much.

>>126762028
Why would of they gone extinct before Noah. What caused that?

>>126763781
>Typical christian logic. "They don't believe in it... so it must be true! Just like 9/11 was an inside job!"
But that isn't at all what I said. It isn't even close. If the typical atheist just sat by and didn't believe in a God, that wouldn't show anything about them one way or the other. But that is entirely not the behavior I have seen from atheists at all. Most of them viciously attack anyone who believes in any higher power than themselves, for seemingly no reason.

Also, I never said I was Christian, I just said I believe in a God. What is your problem that you are so malicious?

>>126757246
>Agnostics,
>What would make you believe in god?

Proof.

>>126761050
No, its because my country is a shithole at the edge of europe that no one gives a fuck about and never will.
And your post was definitely not intellectual what so ever
Have a (you) and fuck off

>>126764581
>for seemingly no reason
Because you're dumb and gullible as fuck, and bring down the collective IQ of the nation while holding back actual progress into discovering the actual truth of reality because your explanation is easier for you.

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>Agnostics,
>What would make you believe in god?

Very little outside of a tangible personal revelation

I believe that there's likely some kind of higher order to the universe, but to extrapolate that likelihood to a belief in a specific deity or faith is to me the absolute height of arrogance.

>>126764581

Maybe if you actually read my entire post you would have your answers.

I used to be catholic since it was brought up on me since my conception, i attended church every Sunday without fail and i didn't really question anything about it until my best friend got cancer.

His family and mine gathered every day nonstop to pray and (i don't know how it's called in english) do "el rosario" so god could help him endure the hardships of the treatment and cure him of his illness, surprise, it didn't happen.

In fact, it was the fucking worst, while he was taking the chemotherapy his girlfriend cucked him with a retarded monkey and all our "friends" stopped contact with both of us.

Anyway, that's when i started questioning my faith, i still believe christianity and catholicism have a nice set of values but i just can't bring myself to believe blindly in a god that I'll never be certain if he's really there for us.

>>126763781
nothing compared to other countries. Have yoi been to the moon?

>>126764972
>>126764886

Attacking a group constantly because you "just think they're retarded" doesn't make any sense. Sounds like you're the ones hindering progress to me.

>>126757246
'Theism' came to Manchester today.

>>126764343
>thinking slaves were the same back then compared to America 200 years ago

also you have to let your slaves rest each Sunday

>>126764343
Slavery is mentioned in the bible. And rules for the proper treatment of slaves are also mentioned. But I wouldn't say that the bible advocates slavery. Christ taught love.

>>126757246
How about first you learn what atheism/theism is and then learn what agbosticism/gnosticism you inbred dumbfuck poor excuse of living tissue

>>126757246
I'd believe in God if he just showed up. Enough of this faith-based nonsense.

>>126757246
agnostic here

only way i would truly believe in a/the god, is if the being took an action in my life that i could recognize for what it is

if it merely happened to someone else i would probaly explain it away as a hallucination etc.

i want to believe in god, but i cant get myself to do it

>>126764360
>to pic
except when it's wrong. Like how we thought the first people were Africans.

>no evidence
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>>126765719
The vast majority of the time people use the term "agnostic" they mean "agnostic atheist", OP isn't confusing anyone and getting angry over pointless semantics just makes you look like the retard here.

>>126765195
it´s called a rosary

>>126766012
Yeah, sure, abdul, whatever you say

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>>126757246
>Agnostics,
>What would make you believe in god?
>not including polytheists vs montheists

Like modern physics tells us and the polytheists of the past told us, there are multiple forces in the universe.

As an agnostic, I can't take Atheists seriously but I've not really witnessed any holy events so I can't say God is real yet.

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>>126757246
Divine Conservation.
Most basic argument for theism generally.

>>126757246
>Atheists,
>Why don't you believe in god?
No evidence.

I'm agnostic, I was raised christian, but I can't believe in a god being all good and striking down sinners when i see kids with cancer dying. I wanna believe in a higher power, but there just isn't enough evidence for me to believe whole heartly. I do believe in evolution, but I also believe in purpose and my purpose can't be kissing a gods ass so I can get in his losers club.

>>126765916
It depends what you mean by "science"

The principles of the scientific method =/= the current community of scientific consensus

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>>126764886
>implying atheists aren't gullible

>>126757246
>Atheists,
>Why don't you believe in god?
Same reason I don't believe in Vishnu, Allah, Thoth or any of the other hundreds of gods humanity has created throughout it's history.

>>126766183
You mean agnostic atheist. Unless you follow any of the scripture deities, you are by definition atheist. Agnosticism and gnosticism are purely, and only, states of certainty, one meaning uncertain, the other meaning certain.

>>126757246
I believe in God because I exist and know I didn't do it by my own will. My life will cease by some other force as well. Everything has a ruler and that goes all the way to the very end to what rules that. The answer is God. The thing that doesn't need a creator or master.

>>126766434
Because you're a naturalist?

>>126766477
Mere superstition.

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>>126761050
for an """intellectual""" (you) seem to be uneducated in terms of knowledge of history and geopolitics
but of course, (you) dont give a damn about those. (you) just post edgy posts t gain more (you)s
so here, have all those (you)

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>>126758025
Sometimes I feel sympathy for believers, but then I read comments like this. I have never seen a person understand evolution and deny it. It makes sense on so many levels and has probably more proofs than any other scientific theory.

Evolution is our best argument for racerealism. If you think God created everything, it's logically inconsistent to oppose racemixing.

>>126766447
There's always someone who feels the need to point this out in threads like this

It is utterly irrelevant in 99% of contexts

>>126766716
>using proper wording is irrelevant, let's bask ourselves in utter ignorance forever!!

>>126757246
1 post by this id

>>126766538
Yeah, sure

>>126766584
Every belief is superstition

>>126765320
>Sounds like you're the ones hindering progress to me.
Explain.

>>126766956
Maybe yes and no

>>126766102
>make my side look good and the others very bad by extreme cherry picking

good one pal

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>>126757246
I guess you could call me agnostic. There is really nothing that would make me "believe in God", per say. I just try to live my life as viruous, kind and caring to my people, my friend and my family as I can and hope that if there is a God, I will gain passage to the gates of heaven based on the life I've lived.

>>126757246
I'm an atheist in respect to the christian idea of a God who cares about us. Out of all the things there are in the Universe, I see absolutely no reason a perfect God would care about what a bunch of monkeys "think" (if that concept even makes sense to something else but us). Life isn't special, it's not any more remarkable than any other chemical process. If a christian God existed, he'd probably be more interested in stuff like black holes. That's where shit happens.

If we're talking about a god who just pushed a button to create the Universe but has no influence over how everything unfolds, then I'm an agnostic. It would be oustide the Universe, and thus impossible to confirm or deny.

>>126766695
This is something I've never understood, evolution is absolutely fucking beautiful. There are so many diehard religious people who are so opposed to the very concept of it, yet i'm pretty sure that if any of them actually deigned to study and come to understand the processes by which it appears to have happened it would only renew their faith in their god and his plan tenfold.

>>126766195
>can't read the thread

>>126766938
i didn't come to argue, i came to hear opinions/lurk

>>126766938
also id changed cause had to switch classes and got a different computer.

>>126766826
You understand that the basis of "proper" language is usage, right?

>>126757246
Theist here, "God" to me is simply the frequency of the universe. Everything has a frequency, all of your mindsets have a different frequency, "God" is a frequency that can be attained through a specific mindset.

>>126757246
Yes I believe In god
This is my only life

I KNOW God exists, because Trump.

>>126765604
Slavery was better before the slavery of early America?
Wow who would of guested and the fact they get a break every Sunday makes up that they are owned like property. You're gonna need more then words to prove slavery is good.

>>126767004
Well, I did make an assumption. I assumed that they were speaking of scientific progress that is "being hindered" by religion in some way. If they're so upset about scientific progress, why don't they go lobby for more money to be spent on science? Why don't they go become scientists and improve the field themselves? Spending countless hours (collectively) bashing religious people because you perceive them as a hindrance seems like a waste of time to me if you care about scientific progress. But, whatever, it's their time, not mine.

>>126767782
i didn't say it was good
and they were more like indentured servants not slaves

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>Why don't you believe in god?
Because god is human activity abstracted into an overarching "divine" power which humans then use to defer both power and responsibility to, submitting to it's apparently complete explanatory power.

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Without God, objective morality does not exist. You may say you dont believe in God, but you act out your morals every day, and thats not because you know killing is inherently wrong or whatever. It's because youve been raised in a christian culture that has inoculated those beliefs into you. When you remove the foundation for that morality eventually it will fall and you will see how terrible people can be.

>>126767969
Another question: I hope God always takes babies to heaven. I heard this one "Christian" say abortions babies are damned. This isn't true right?

>>126757246
As if any of you idiots cant play devils advocate for 2 seconds...

>I think god exists because there is no scientific explanation for what started fucking time

>I think god does not exist because I am objective and believe only in what can be scientifically verifiable.

>Im agnostic and i'm basically a lazy atheist

All completely valid answers, neither is more correct than the other. Stop making these trash threads with the same fucking answers over and over.

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>>126764547
Men hunted them all done
For food,and for getting rid of the giant man eating lizards

>>126768363
>implying the foundation of God is what made humans moral and it wasn't moral humans that invented God in the first place
ABSOLUTELY RETARDED

If God isn't real then we fucking made him up didn't we?

If we made him up, how can HE be the foundation of our morality if he is just a manifestation of that morality?

>>126768440
Doesn't say anything aboit it in the bible so I have no idea. You can ask a Catholic what they think but I'm not Catholic.

>>126768363
Do social animals act altruistically because of God as well?

>>126759119

The Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled to the letter in the New Testament were what convinced me, Isiah 53 described Christ's crucifixion to the letter, centuries before crucifixion had been created, and that's only one of thousands.

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>>126769928
>Do social animals act altruistically because of God as well?
Animal pack mentality is different from human one.
Animal pack mentality=/= Christian pack mentality=/= Pre-christian human pack mentality.

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>>126770135
353 prohecies

accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies

>>126769405
Something I've always wondered, what dictates right and wrong if there is no God?

example: There is a group of lions(or any other animal with an "alpha" leader) One male lion (lion A) is bigger/stronger/what have you than the other male lion (lion B). Lion A kills/maims B, and now A controls the group/ breeds all of the females.

Why is it wrong for the same thing to happen with people? Guy A beats up/kills guys B-F, and takes all the women in the area for his own. Now that area belongs to him. Survival of the fittest, it is natural.


I'm not trying to bait anybody, I'm genuinely curious.

>>126765459
wew lad

>>126770592
>what dictates right and wrong if there is no God?

Because whoever is in charge says so, which wouldn't even fucking change if God existed because then he'd be in charge.

>>126770135

It's almost like the people writing the new testament knew about said prophecies and had a vested interest in recording it in such a way that it fulfilled them.

>>126770592
What dictates it even if there is a God?

Does God tell us the right thing to do because he's conforming to some higher objective morality? In that case where does that stem from?

Is what he tells us to do by definition "right" because it's coming from him? In that case searching for objective morality outside of revelation is pointless, because if god appears to you and tells you to sacrifice your firstborn you can only know that it is the right thing to do

>>126770592
>Why is it wrong for the same thing to happen with people?
that's a very autistic question Anon.

Maybe if you looked at how our closest cousins bonobo's operate in the wild instead of fucking lions you'd have answered your own question.

Humans are intrinsically empathetic animals because socialising helps them survive and thrive. If everyone is killing each other to fuck pretty girls we wouldn't get very far.

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well, this thread is turning into another cancer, infested by pseudobeleievers and pseudointellectual fedoras.
just as planned (c) Tzeench
bye

>>126761321
That is the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard for anything, and can basically be used to justify anything.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe they feel threatened because they live in (talking mainly about US here) a Christian majority country that isn't a afraid to mix religion and politics?

>>126767853

We do those things though.

You are obviously some kind of retard but I'll explain it to you.

Atheists don't actually spend their career time bashing christians. We bash christians in random comments sections and 4chan threads when we browse news and unwind in the evening. You just have a persecution complex and think we actually care enough to dedicate our lives to something so pointless. We don't. Many christians do, however. Imagine how many hours wasted by people going to church or praying to god or reading the bible.

>>126772089
You say that, But I've met far more (nu-)atheists who were genuinely autistic-screeching levels of hostile towards believers than the other way around. (at least in the west)

>>126771311
who counts as in charge? Maybe the president but why is his better than a different presidents?

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>>126771326
>implying there isn't proof of Christ

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>>126772653
>>126771326

>>126771768
>pseudointellectual fedoras.
thing is, post-meme even legit objective/ materialist philosophers sound like fedoras

If you list the legit arguments for why god doesn't exist you sound like a fedora no matter what.

>>126772439
>who counts as in charge?

In what situation? You can't argue against objective morality from god then try to attain objective morality from one specific human

Both personal and societal moral values have always and will always be subjective and dependent on the culture and time in which they exist.

>>126768363
I find this notion that you need morals, let alone religious ones, to be a good function person absurd. I generally just live my life by doing what I want. Since I'm not a sociopath, I've got a good sense of empathy. I don't kill/steal/rape because I don't want to hurt people, I don't need an ethic (objective or subjective) to tell me not to.

>>126757246
>Why don't you believe in god?
Why should I?
>What would make you believe in god?
idk, if I met him one day and he prove his might, maybe?

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>>126760217
>"I am too stupid to learn how the world actually works, so I'll go with the made up version that is easier for my tiny brain to comprehend"

Cringe, that's a completely oblivious thing to bring up. Yeah nice cringe inducing and strange straw man.

"The other half mostly consists of "I am scared of death so I choose to believe in the afterlife for comfort", with a spattering of "I have schizophrenia and hear voices in my head"."

Yes quite yes we have people such as the Christians for example who experience the paranormal ie miracles and more but don't study or research that with an unbiased opinion! Stay centered on your ignorance and emotions formulated likewise on ignorance and "gut feeling." Cringe once again.


>>126763781
Ah so the retards are those who don't comply with your retarded (literally dull, ignorant) opinions formulated on emotions and ignorance? Nice....

>>126771875
rhen vite the religious people out if office. if you can't do that then convert people to your view so you then will be able to.

>>126772653
All those secondary sources used testimony from Christians and the bible as an original source.

So its all bullshit.

>>126757246
>Why don't you believe in god
no reason to
don't give a shit what others believe in as long as they don't behave like barbarians (Muhammadans)

>>126772653
No one said that? Evidence suggests that he was a real person, but so was Mohammed or siddhartha gautama, and he's just as likely to be divine as they are

>>126772788
Yes but why would your morals be correct?

>>126772310

Speak for yourself. Or more likely, your confirmation bias-tainted perception of reality. I've never seen an atheist start an argument with random people unprovoked, but I've had more than my fair share of obnoxious bible thumpers on my doorstep asking to tell me about our lord jesus.

It also helps that atheists are as far as we can tell right and believers are unquestionably wrong.

>>126773052
>Evidence suggests that he was a real person

there is no evidence

>>126772840
>idk, if I met him one day and he prove his might, maybe?
Materialistic reasoning for proofs.
Coming from Ex-USSR country.
Always the case.

>>126773108
Not him, but they're not. Morals are subjective.

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>>126757246
It doesn't matters what you believe in, what matters is what's proven. Keep your believes to yourself, open your mouth when you know it's truth and fact, study other people before you re-open same discussion.

>>126773216
There are no reasons to be "spiritualist".

>>126772969
Are yoi fucking stupid? So your saying there isn't any proof Jesus was at least a person. And do really think his apostles would have just made up a random dude 0 people have heard of or take someone who was real especially if taht person was claiming to be the son of God.

like Mohammed and Buddha are real people but I just don't fooliw what they said.

>>126773108
There is no such thing as objectively "correct" morals, only those that serve a particular situation or cause or viewpoint

As to the development of altruism and morality in early humans, it's almost like they were more successful helping each other than living as lone predators who killed and stole from every other human they encountered

>>126773154
There's some, but obviously it's not 100% reliable. My point is that it doesn't matter even if there was 100% evidence, evidence of a man existing =/= evidence that he's a divine prophet

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I believe that if a god exists he/she/it is nothing like the Christian god, I refuse to believe anything benevolent that has power to do anything could just silently sit back and at all this shit that unfolded, is unfolding and will unfold on this earth. Or maybe the Christian god does exist he just left us.

Whatever the case the Orthodox Church is a bunch of toothless, greedy, gay, muslim loving jews so I refuse to take part in that organized religion. So I don't care or believe or have anything against the religion (or other religions for that matter, they are all equally possible to true) but I do hate the church as an organization, the Greek Orthodox one at least I don't know anything about the other Churches.

>>126773730
>There's some

like what? Because I researched this thoroughly.

>>126773730
I'm saying theres evidence of him doing the prophecies and >>126772725

>>126773721
>And do really think his apostles would have just made up a random dude 0 people have heard of or take someone who was real especially if taht person was claiming to be the son of God.

all that shit was made up

using stories to prove stories doesn't work

grow a brain.

Agnostic here

If a God came down and proved to me he was a God.

Jk I'm actually an Atheist and fuck god and fuck white people

>>126773896
>like what?

My understanding was that there were a handful of Roman records that make passing reference to a preacher gaining a following in that region that would coincide with some aspects of the story of Jesus

>Because I researched this thoroughly.

Well I didn't, so you may well be right

Again, my point is that it doesn't really change anything whether there's evidence or not

I still don't know what I believe.

>brought up Irish Catholic but never remember a time I believed it any more than stories
>I had a NDE and that made me believe there is something after
>did DMT and had almost the same experience

Could just be brain chemical's ţbf

Always had the lingering feeling since those experiences that life isn't as we perceive. Kind of illusory and we are projected from "somewhere" that you can visit in certain mental states

Over all I feel the folks of the bible found hallucinogens and tried explaining the experience to normies (place of comfort, love, infinite wisdom filled with entities) but over tge years it was bastardised into a form of control

>aside: if you fear death. Try DMT. I used to be anxious bit now know it is nothing to fear

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>>126757246
>God

Pagan actually, and the reason I believe in ontological orders greater than myself is because I'm not a prideful moron who has no concept of teleological analysis.

>>126773896
see
>>126773721
>>126772725
>>126772653

>>126773805
I like the way you think, anon. I agree with this so much.

I believe in God because I believe in God.

Belief isn't rational. It isn't based on evidence. God exists to me because on a purely emotional, instinctive level, I have a reverence for the divine and a belief in transcendent properties.

Appreciation for beauty, altruism, justice, mercy, temperance, wisdom -- all these things are important to me. I could make some circuitous argument about how altruism assists in kin selection and the spread of one's genes, but those are all post hoc justifications for what I feel in my bones to be right. Goodness is tattooed on my brain, and the picture it paints best resembles the God of Jesus and Moses.

If I falter in trying to be the best person I can be (I will, because I'm bad at things), I'll hopefully do well enough stumbling around in the dark to do right by other people. And when I look at the good works that people of true faith do, I feel like my blind fumbling might do some good some day.

>>126757246
Because the obvious truth of the human condition is that it's impossible to verify the extent and fundamental rules of our universe.

For that reason my ontology is basically ubsurdist, and my epistemology is based on neoclassical pragmatism, and I tend to put my trust in science and my natural instincts as an animal.

I'm a catholic and occasionally I go to church with my family. I support religious institutions, traditional (aka evolved) morals, and hope there is a god but I don't think it's likely that catholicism is correct about anything.

>>126774045
>I'm saying theres evidence of him doing the prophecies

"evidence" from hearsay written by his supporters years after his supposed death. There's just as much evidence of that nature for the divinity of a thousand other holymen the world over throughout history.

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>>126757246
I do not believe in a god. If a higher power does exist, it is cruel either cruel and uncaring or forgot about humanity a long time ago. Something that people need to understand is that no one hears their prayers. We are alone in this universe, but not without purpose. I believe that the ultimate destiny of mankind is to explore the universe and colonize everything.

Also a lot of WH40k is real. Humans have already invented Tau pulse rifles, also known as an electromagnetic rail gun. It can punch through steel sheets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrQciFL0ig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTLCHKb20zI

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>>126774263
>Could just be brain chemical's ţbf

Read Nietzsche

>>126774085
then who spread the religion? Are you seriously now denying that the apostles were real?

>>126774325
Just saying, posting those images makes your argument seem weaker, not the other way around

>>126774411
>and the picture it paints best resembles the God of Jesus

okay

>and Moses

They're very different Gods. The God of Moses and the old testament wasn't really down on the whole "altruism, justice, mercy" fronts.

>>126774202
> Roman records that make passing reference to a preacher gaining a following in that region that would coincide with some aspects of the story of Jesus


all based off stories from the bible told by Christians

those sources only prove Christians existed

>>126774542

already have

I am what he would call a passive nihilist but I also revel in cosmic absurdity

I also don't believe in free will. Your brain just likes to think you are in control

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>>126774325
FTFY

>>126759119
It took me a while, but once I studied Eric Dollard and Tesla, it turned out there is no way there isn't a power or force outside of our universe but affecting it internally. That is basically God.

>>126757246
>Why don't you believe in god?
same reason i don't believe in unicorns, dragons or leprechauns
no proof
/thread

According to Pope Francis, even atheists go to heaven.

So I'm just gonna live a full live, do well unto others. That's good enough.

I mean, that IS the word of the pope, therefore it must be true.

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

>>126774640
>proof of Jesus being dead and that he came back to life
>makes it weaker

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>>126774996
If you've read nietzsche and come.out as a nihilist you might want to go back and re read. You obviously missed a lot if you think Nietzsche thinks highly of Positivism

>>126773896

Not him but there are multiple sources on Jesus's existence, it's unreasonable to think that some random people from israel would conspire to invent the whole life of a fictional character in great detail and somehow convince the contemporary populace that he was real and the son of god, for no apparent gain to themselves whatsoever. This wasn't a case of a culture developing a mythology for hundreds or thousands of years like earlier religions, it was something that happened in the present, at a time when events were being written down and recorded and people were smart enough not to get fooled by everything they heard. You might as well claim that Muhammad wasn't real.

Jesus was just a charismatic hippie though, nothing more.

>>126773216
>Materialistic reasoning for proofs.
>implying that isn't also the basis for the entirety of western and global science

>>126760217
this

>>126775463
>>proof

>>126770500
this is top tier ignorance that exposes your stupidity
this is like saying that one dragonlance novel agrees with another

>>126774325
>>126773721
>>126772725
>>126772653


Heres a good example for the retarded who can't into logic.


>ET is a movies about aliens.

>Writing a review of ET makes ET real.

>OMG aliens are real!@!!!!!!

>>126775089
proof?

and agian >>126774544 >>126773721
>>126772725

>>126774832

He absolutely was. Mercy as defined by withholding punishment, altruism as defined by choosing to protect and guide the Hebrews as they ventured out of Israel even after they forsook him, justice as defined by setting down universal codes of moral behavior that emphasized punishments fitting the crime rather than mindless retribution.

The God of Moses wasn't perfect by modern standards, but there are important lessons to learn from him. I'm not a Jew, so the God of the New Testament is obviously more important to me, but I recognize that God's philosophical predecessor as worthy of praise in his own right.

>>126775378
Catholics believe most people go to Purgatory and then eventually ascend into either heaven or hell by choice of accepting God. Athiest can go to heaven or hell depending on what they choose when their souls are sent to purgatory.

T. Former Christcuck

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>>126758025
>I am a Christian. The bible gives me a reasonable explanation of human behavior and explains the complexity of creation in a way that makes more sense to me than evolution

That's called being STUPID, COWARDLY, and WEAK.

Lick the boots of your chosen, slave.

>>126775641
he didn't look at >>126772725
also that was probably the worst analogy ive ever heard

>>126775378
If the God creates us as good or bad as we actually are then why should he punish us for it?

1) I would claim that there must have been some entity to set life and all this we see in motion

2) I was born into the faith and hell is scary....along with the fear of the unknown


It is mainly pathos reasoning...and really isn't an argument so don't take it seriously

>>126775491
Science =/= reality, only a drop of what we think could be reality when their are far greater truths we may never discover that could completely disprove our versions of reality as they are now.

>>126775563
>>> not proof

>>126774263
All that cosmic shit can fit with atheism though.

Science tells us we are descendent from apes but it also tells us that we are LITERALLY made from stardust.

It all comes down to transcendence vs. immanence.

If you're atheist there can still be room for immanent spirituality but nothing transcendental.

>>126775480
>Not him but there are multiple sources on Jesus's existence

>sources that just mention the name Jesus as if only one person was named that

>sources that used stories from Christians decades after supposed event.

Its bullshit. Not on fucking book was written within 30 years of Jesus's life.

Just a collection of contradictory stories complied into a book in 4th century by a hand vote of roman patricians.

>but ancients jews would never lie.

1. They said the Jesus story bullshit too.

2. They were jews.

>>126775757
>Mercy as defined by withholding punishment

As well as cursing successive generations for the sins of their fathers, and slaughtering lots and lots of people for very small (often accidental) slights

>altruism as defined by choosing to protect and guide the Hebrews

But not all the other tribes who he commanded them to destroy/enslave

> justice as defined by setting down universal codes of moral behavior that emphasized punishments fitting the crime rather than mindless retribution.

That's fair enough

>but there are important lessons to learn from him

Anthropologically, sure

>>126763526
"all powerful yet he lets us suffer for a fucking apple."

You didn't read shit. If you did you would never have said such an idiotic statement.

The bible is a trust indenture. Read it as a legal document and think.

>>126757246
>Atheists,
>Why don't you believe in god?
Theists have not met their burden of proof.

Same reason I don't believe in faeries, gremlins, unicorns, etc.

>>126775898
>shroud of Turin

probably the worst forgery on Earth

anyone who believes is a fucking retard and belongs on

>>>/x/

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>>126757246
There is a logical proof of the existence of God that has yet to be refuted (google Plantinga's ontological argument). Not believing in God is as irrational as not believing in Pythagorean's theorem.

>>126776013
>All that cosmic shit can work with Athiesm

No it really can't. Muh stardust is not a teleological order, and "inherent" anything is a prideful assumption of reality based only on the a priori

>>126775940
and those trues aren't gonna come from anywhere other than a materialist perspective so get fukd

>>126776009
Exactly, this is your smartest post ITT

Seriously, if you actually want to have a reasonable theological discussion don't post that picture, it just makes people assume that you're retarded and have no real argument even before they read your posts

>>126775770
Yes Cuckolicks are dumb. What's your point?

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>>126774996
>Nitechie is a nihilist
>nitchie is positive
>I've read him

Jesus Kike, knowledge is wasted on the dumb. Nietzsche's entire life's work was dedicated to preventing apathy and nihilism and predicting it would essentially create the "post-modern" age we live in today. If you're a nihilist from it, you fucking FAILED.

>>126776244
>didn't read it

also you can just watch this
>>125637346

>126776282
>"that than which nothing greater can be thought"

>my thoughts are real: the theory


yea. its bullshit. Because he was dumb primitive.

by that logic all superheroes are real too.

>>126776316

>Muh stardust is not a teleological order

You could argue that the universes tendency towards increasing entropy is though

>>126776346
Just because you can't recreate an experience at will does not make said experience unreal. Read Nietzche or Sorel, get fukd materialism is retarded.

>>126774996
Believing that free will is controversial just proves you're retarded.

People are independent actors regardless if their actions are predetermined.

If your brain is not in control of your body than what is retard?

People also like to say that people decide things before they know they decided them.So fucking what? That's proof that humans aren't rational, not proof that humans lack agency.

The term "free will" needs to be banished from intelligent discussion. It doesn't mean anything because compatiblists and noncompatiblists can't agree to a single definition.

Of course everything is predetermined, your role in that predetermination has nothing to do with whether or not it's predetermined.

>>126776282
>Plantinga's ontological argument
refutation: no proof
just stop

>>126776359
why? Did you even read it? Everyone seems to look at it for a second then dismiss it without actually reading anything.

1.It is a conceptual truth (or, so to speak, true by definition) that God is a being than which none greater can be imagined (that is, the greatest possible being that can be imagined).
2.God exists as an idea in the mind.
3.A being that exists as an idea in the mind and in reality is, other things being equal, greater than a being that exists only as an idea in the mind.
4.Thus, if God exists only as an idea in the mind, then we can imagine something that is greater than God (that is, a greatest possible being that does exist).
5. But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God (for it is a contradiction to suppose that we can imagine a being greater than the greatest possible being that can be imagined.)
6. Therefore, God exists.

>>126757246
>Theists,why do you believe in god?

I posted this in a thread to prove god exists.

>Think of it this way. Imagine there was a door that needed to be open before you could enter a room. But before you could enter it you had to ask the person behind you, may I open this door? Then before that person could give you a response, he had to ask the person behind him if he has permission to allow you to allow the other person in front of him to open the door. Now imagine this went on for an eternity, would the first person ever be able to open the door?

Now I say the same for the universe if there always had to be a cause would there ever be a time when anything in creation could have been created? There had to be an uncaused first cause to swing that door open without permission, and I believe that it was God who swung that door and opened the gates to this realm of reality.

Thoughts?

>Atheist that goes to mass every Sunday with his children
>Atheist who sends his children to Catholic School
Humans need a religious control mechanism if not the Catholic Church then it will be Islam.

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>>126776662
The argument is a logical proof, dummy anon. Please don't comment on things you don't understand!

>>126776570
wrong link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WRB16BARvz0

>>126772653
I'm not christian but I don't see why atheists would deny Jesus. A dude existed 2000 years ago, doesn't sound farfetched to me.

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>>126776013

>>126776316
>Muh stardust is not a teleological order, and "inherent" anything is a prideful assumption of reality based only on the a priori
So Heraclitus and Zoroastrians idea of the cosmic fire of wisdom/reason that created the world isn't "spiritual enough" for you pedophile faggot Catholics? Even though both Stoics and Magi were the foundations of your shitty beta Jewish slave cult and your metrosexual demon Jesus?

Oh WELL!

You lost.

>>126758025
>Life is to complex and beautiful to be the result of random processes.
That's where you're wrong.

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>>126776638
read Deleuze you fuckwit, Marx and Nietzche are compatible and a lot of modern philosophy works from a synthesis of both.

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>>126760217
Half of all atheist are fags who don't want to feel guilty about their immoral lifestyle. The other half are pic related, with a scattering of narcissists.

>>126757246
I believe in God because I have no reason to believe otherwise. It seems to be more reasonable to me to belive an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being from supernatural nature created all natural reality than that all natural reality comes from nothing.

I am christian because the Bible is the most reliable book to exist on this planet, despite what some people say.

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>>126776956
>I'm not christian but I don't see why atheists would deny Jesus. A dude existed 2000 years ago, doesn't sound farfetched to me.
Because he has NO history, background, last name, and all of the characters have no substance or bases in reality. All of his family had no history or last name.
They're just characters who are placed in a setting like, "John who lived in Brooklyn in the 1900s met a guy named Joshua who was the Creator of all existence"

JESUS HAS LESS OF A FOUNDATION IN REALITY THAN LUKE SKYWALKER'S CHARACTER


If you can't see that, it's because you don't want to.

>>126757246
I am an atheist. I do not believe that any cosmic being built the universe. I can never be asked to prove a negative when nothing has supported the positive. Anything that is objectively real is something that can be measured. God is something that is immeasurable. When something cannot be measured by any objective method, then it can only exist as an opinion, idea, or faith.
https://youtu.be/178zP3YcBuo

You may now tell why I am wrong, retarded or deserving of an ISIS style execution by posting Christ-chans, fedoras, non-arguments, etc.

>>126776821
Because absolutely no part of it is anything close to "proof", it's all small observations based on assumptions and lots of claims made with no real sources outside of outspokenly christian ones.

Throughout history there have been thousands and thousands of similar tales told about divine men returning from the dead and performing all sorts of miracles, many of which have just as much "proof" as that. Do you believe in them as well? Or just the ones that confirm your own faith?

>>126777777

>>126776013

for all intents and purposes I am an atheist.

>creeped me out as I have a tattoo on my left arm of "WEAREALLSTARSTUFF" written in protein chains

I see death as pre-life but I plan to spend my life doing hallucinogens and meditating. It truly is an indescribably beautiful place to visit

>>126776836
>I did religious studies in high school

>>126777083
>Post modernist garbage

Nah m8 you're a fucking idiot if you base your entire ethos on that which can never actually be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and, through pride, simply assume that anything you have not experienced can never be real. If you read through Nietzsche and came out as a nihilist I seriously question your ability to read, you probably just attended a shitty university philisophy class

>>126777152
>Half of all atheist are fags who don't want to feel guilty about their immoral lifestyle
Anon, come on.
They don't think god exists, so how could they possibly care about his morals? Think for a second, man.

>>126757246

I believe in god because in an infinite universe everything exists. Recent science experiments lean more in the direction of an infinite universe.

https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

>>126776648
If the brain is predetermined, then your choices are prestermined, retard.

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>>126766695

This.

Also, pic related.

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>>126777152
>Half of all atheist are fags
Your entire religion came from a church of guys who refuse voluntarily to not get married, have sex, or have kids and hang out with each other men/boys, lord over others, and wear pretty dresses.

JESUS IS A FEMALE CHARACTER WITH A DICK:
>I am the water
>I am the blood
>I'm mommy to the sheep
>I am the light out of the womb of hell for past Saints
>I am a pretty boy who doesn't hit back
>I am rejecting my mother for daddy
>I only hang out with guys, except that I'm also besties with a whore because muh equal rights

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>>126777477
Do you not believe in Alexander the Great? Because there's considerably less evidence that he ever existed than Jesus did (only 5 accounts, Jesus has 30+ accounts). There's more than enough evidence to consider Jesus undeniably real, no serious historians doubt the historical validity of Jesus of Nazareth.

>>126768440
Babies are still innocent/without sin. Babies get an automatic pass, as they should.

>>126757246
>Why don't you believe in god?
My IQ is above average.

>>126776544

fuck you guys can be retarded

I am not a nihilist because of reading Nietzsche

I was before and after

>>126757246
I don't believe, because I don't need to believe. Belief is always need based and as such serves some function for us, though most people simply choose to ignore this. Whether other people choose to believe or not is irrelevant to me, the only thing I would want from others is to understand the need for it.

>>126778322
What about savages who haven't yet heard the good word?

>>126777477
There is probably more written about Jesus than any other figure in history.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.php

>>126777564
>>126777564
>Throughout history there have been thousands and thousands of similar tales told about divine men returning from the dead and performing all sorts of miracles, many of which have just as much "proof" as that. Do you believe in them as well? Or just the ones that confirm your own faith?

None of the alleged pagan parallels relate at all to Christianity if you actually read the original sources. Atheists will describe pagan myths with Christian terms to exaggerate the similarities.

>>126777477
Do you believe in Mohammed and Buddha? I personally haven't seen proof of them but I'm not retarded enough to think they never existed

>>126778091
Damn straight... if you exclude muscular dystrophy

>>126777777

>>126775089
Tacitus wasn't based on the bible he was trying to shift the blame for burning Rome to Christians because of Nero and listed Christians he hated. Jesus was one of them and they also proved that Pontius Pilate was in Rome at the time Jesus was supposedly crucified.

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>>126777778
>in an infinite universe everything exist
HAHA!
You're emotionally retarded as fuck. One, infinity isn't real. It's just continue ratio plotting or comparison.
Infinity doesn't mean Bilbo Baggens is waiting for you somewhere to return and claim the magic ring

>>126776544
>If you're a nihilist from it, you fucking FAILED

Or perhaps Nietzsche's solution to apathy and nihilism was just as much a failure as was his whole life.

>>126778491
>None of the alleged pagan parallels relate at all to Christianity if you actually read the original sources.

It depends what you mean by "pagan", but claiming that lots of themes and tales in the testaments weren't practically lifted from older Zoroastrian and tribal semetic ones is just plain false

also

>if you actually read the original sources

When you're talking about millennia old tribal faiths there isn't really such a thing as an "original source"

>>126772089
1) Ad Hominem
2) Again, I never said I was Christian

>>126757246
Im an atheist because of this #prayfor_____ bullshit. Happened to me after bataclan

>>126777689
haven't read Nietzsche and I'm not a nihilist

Was just countering your read with someone else

>Post modernist garbage
dipshit Americuck detected though!

>>126776282
>>126776883

Another fucking retarded christian.

Plantinga's ontological argument asserts that if it is possible that god exists, he must exist, due to a many worlds interpretation of the universe which many scientists adhere to. So, the two very obvious problems with this are

1: It's not proven that there are other universes
2: The entire argument is rendered moot just by saying that it's impossible that god exists, which it is, as god would defy all the laws of physics.

>>126757246
God is even more complex and beautiful to be a random process. You need different argument.

>>126757246
Deist (non-denominational monotheist) here. Former agnostic, former-er Christian.

Faith slowly slipped away as I grew into an adult. When to college, studied science (chemistry major), and regained my faith in god - without the lense of Christian theology - due the grandeur and mystery of the natural world.

In practice I still live a basically secular lifestyle. I try to maintain traditional morals not for fear of hell, but because it's a logical, long-term strategy for interpersonal relationships and overall happiness (and I occasionally do "bad" things, like anyone else).

Concept of god for me is more as the architect of the universe, rather than the invisible wizard in the sky.

>>126779099
A god would not be a god if it didn't defy the laws of physics, it would just be a strong creature.

>>126776282
My disagreement with the Ontological argument is the assumption that God must be infinitely loving and infinitely knowing, when those qualities are not needed to make a being necessary just infinite power. If anything the Ontological argument "proves" that a higher being exists but that says nothing about its nature (outside of it's power) making impossible to ascribe human qualities of the Christian or Muslim or whatever faith to it.

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>>126777564
>didnt read it all

and
>>125637346

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>>126778500
>Do you believe in Mohammed and Buddha? I personally haven't seen proof of them but I'm not retarded enough to think they never existed
Mohammed actually had a background as a character and so did Buddah. Buddah was from a specific king line, had a wife, family. Mohomo was a convert of Catholics that went nuts and created his own thing.

Jesus has NO background. He's just some guy with no racial or physical characteristics, born in Bethlehem, came from a town no one can find, and from the tribe of Judah with no father and now he's YHWY or whatever. He's essentially Anikan Skywalker if you never saw under the Darth Vader mask or met Luke.

>>126778491
>There is probably more written about Jesus than any other figure in history.
Yeah, that's a preprogrammed phrase they inserted into your tiny brain. The reason they wrote about him is because he had no background so he's like an open character anyone can manipulate. He's a blank canvass

>>126779540
>the only possible explanation for someone disagreeing with me is that they didn't read my (((argument)))


This is why no one ITT is taking you seriously

>>126778091
getting a leg cut off makes you stronger?

>>126778460
That's actually a good one, and I'd defer more to a priest/someone scholarly in the Christian faith. But from a layman's perspective, given a loving God who wants to save you (ie, not a hostile God who wants to damn you) - you've not openly rejected Him by not knowing He exists in the first place.

>>126777356
Not an atheist, but,

What makes you think that a collection of written records, gathered and arranged by a historically corrupt church, with many potential inclusions excluded from the final version, is the most reliable book to exist?

>>126770592
>One male lion (lion A) is bigger/stronger/what have you than the other male lion (lion B). Lion A kills/maims B, and now A controls the group/ breeds all of the females.
And did you know the name of A? God.

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>>126778730
>Or perhaps Nietzsche's solution to apathy and nihilism was just as much a failure as was his whole life.
The guy is the reason for so many disciplines and historic events its unimaginable you could call him a failure when all he wanted to do was be a philosopher and change the world. There would BE NO WW2 without him. Soviets would have turned the world into shitskins already.

Only a Christian would say something so SJW retarded and delusional.

Nietzsche was a living prophet. And HE was real.

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satan coming down from heaven as lightning
the door closing to heaven
russia coming and the catholic chuch coming
the nuke going off and people dying
the mark of the beast and something with donald trump
the great tribulation
people in heaven with jesus shining as stars

>>126777152
As long as we are making sweeping statements I also state for a fact that literally every single priest and person partaking in Catholic union is a child molester.

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>>126778333
oh enlighten me elightened one

also more than 50% of people believe in a religion so that didn't make any sense

>>126779744
In ways, yes.

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>>126757246
>Atheists,
>Why don't you believe in god?

>>126776282
>>126776836
>>126776883
God damn, "intellectual" christfags are the most insufferable of all
>hurr if something can exist it must!

>>126779769
I only asked because it reminded me of the oft repeated (and probably false) "quote" attributed to christian missionaries upon reaching native eskimos

>Now that you've heard God's word, you must follow it or be damned to hell
>>Before I heard it, could I have gone to hell?
>No
>>Then why did you tell me?

>>126757246
My reasoning is simple, what makes Christianity that more truthful than paganism or the religion of the Ancient Rome or the Ancient Egypt religion? How come God and Jesus are there but Thor and Ra are not? If I were to pick a belief it would be one of the older ones.

>>126779564
>Jesus has NO background. He's just some guy with no racial or physical characteristics, born in Bethlehem, came from a town no one can find, and from the tribe of Judah with no father and now he's YHWY or whatever. He's essentially Anikan Skywalker if you never saw under the Darth Vader mask or met Luke.


> Luke 3:
>And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda..."

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>>126778340
>fuck you guys can be retarded
>I am not a nihilist because of reading Nietzsche
>I was before and after
That means you failed. You failed to become the Overman and remained the last man. The Underman.

Game over
Try again

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>>126778550
>>126779744

I actually posted the wrong quote. Whoops...

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>>126779099
Nope! You're completely misunderstanding it. The "many worlds" stuff has nothing to do with science. It's just a way of interpreting logic into language - it's talking possible worlds, not an actual multiverse. In every possible world, Pythagorean's theorem holds true, it's proven to be true. In this world, there are humans, in a different world there might be unicorns, since "unicorns" are not some illogical concept, just one we have no evidence for in this universe. In no universe does a 5-sided square exist, that's just gibberish.

And of course, if you could prove God's existence is impossible that would be a refutation of the proof. That's just common sense. But alas! there is no proof.

Please don't comment on things you don't understand!

>>126779508
Yeah this is true, it doesn't say anything about Christianity, and using it as an evangelizing tool is worthless. But it's fun to watch dumbasses on /pol/ make idiots out of themselves.

>>126757246
Was a theist when I was a kid, then an atheist, now I don't even know anymore.
I'm tempted to join a church for the community aspect. But not some bluepilled unitarian universalist nonsense, a real church.

>>126758025
>the result of random processes
Christfag education

>>126779338

And that's why god cannot exist.

A creator can exist though, as there could be a world outside our universe where we are nothing but an experiment, simulation or even toy. That would let said creator defy the laws of physics in our universe like a gamer using a cheat code, but he would still be bound by the laws of the universe he resides in. Whether or not this hypothetical alien fits your definition of god is up to you, but he most certainly wouldn't be the one from the bible or any other human religion.

>>126766695
Race mixing is in the bible. Numbers 12:1

>was tempted to check this thread again
>"christcuck"
>"aliens"
>"hurr durr, jesus aint real"
>"Nietzsche told me that you're subhumans"
>...yep its still a cancer
>leaves

>>126779961
>that picture
Fucking stupid

Missed the whole part where Freud came to his conclusions by stuffing loads of hysterical women with cocaine and trying to help hundreds of people with their daddy/mommy issues rather than just sitting on his arse and thinking really deeply about stuff.

The fact they are so similar is interesting but avoiding the huge contextual differences and trying to attribute psychoanalysis' credit to Nietzsche is stupid as fuck.

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the earth being flat proves yhwh is the creator

>>126757246
I see myself as agnostic, but more an irreligious person than agnostic. I know there is something out there. I just don't know what it is. (by know I mean a "miracle" occurred to me)

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>>126780287
>And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
>son of first name
>son of first name again
>son of first name
>son of first name again 3
>son of first name
>son of first name again 4
>son of first name
>son of first name again 5
They had last names. They were tribes. This is just a bunch of random names you retard fucking cult slave loser! Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph even!

So Joseph isn't a fucking person either. What tribe is he even in? Judah? So where thousands. Who is the KING OF KINGS?

NOBODY

>>126780459

>If it could exist in a fantasy world, it MUST be real

That's not logic, that's pure retardation. This is why we don't let philosophers into science labs.

>>126781197
(then again that "higher being" might just be some great race of aliens watching over us, idk)

>>126757246
I am God, silly. Now kill me. I'm a Christian. No better a way than to die on the cross. If my enemies kill me, I win.

>>126758025
I forgive you. Kill me. Go to Hell.

>>126758025
The Bible is a sin. A book of lies.

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this image proves YHWH is the creator how would the egyptians predict computers and the internet and pepe all in one swoop?

its called being a magician and contacting demons (YWHW made those demons btw)

Exodus 8:7
And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

I believe in God because the powers that be worship Satan

>>126759119
I am living proof. God here, ask me anything.

>>126757246
>What would make you believe in god?
Evidence

>>126759121
I'm right here. Jesus loves you.

>>126775157
Sure, but there's no fucking way it's exactly the same as the Christian interpretation of Yahweh. It could be closer to Zeus, Thor, or even the conceptual Dharma.

>>126781141
I am genuinely curious, what is the flat earth argument for the edge of the world? Can I walk off the earth and fall into space forever? Why haven't the oceans emptied out over time by spilling over the edge?

>>126781141
He can create it round too dsnt it

>>126759286
Here I am. Come and get me. I forgive you.

>>126780784
>it's impossible that god exists, which it is, as god would defy all the laws of physics.

>A creator can exist though, as there could be a world outside our universe where we are nothing but an experiment, simulation or even toy. That would let said creator defy the laws of physics in our universe

>>126757246
Agnostic here and there is one thing that will change me. I have been living my whole life to myself, doing things myself seeking no help form no god. If someone, somethings will make it impossible for me and then I can mange to do it. God exists

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>>126781138
>Missed the whole part where Freud came to his conclusions by stuffing loads of hysterical women with cocaine and trying to help hundreds of people with their daddy/mommy issues rather than just sitting on his arse and thinking really deeply about stuff.
How missing that somehow negating the source to you, moron? You're just being edgy and failing at funny. Everyone knows Frued was a kike

>The fact they are so similar is interesting but avoiding the huge contextual differences and trying to attribute psychoanalysis' credit to Nietzsche is stupid as fuck.
It's a fact. Ideas come from places.
Psychoanalysis is a racket for the Jews. Until you get to Jung who is just a story analyzer... a mythologist really.

...'Applied science' isn't science...

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clouds behing the sun

proving that globe earth is a hoax and the sun is very close and the genesis story with the dome firmament and the flat earth are the truth that theyre hiding

>>126781754
antarctic 360 ice wall retard

look up flat earth and what they actually believe

>>126757246
>What would make you believe in god?
the feeling of the divine spark in you that I've heard so much about but never experienced, sad desu ne

>>126781141
stick doesn't look straight