Marines’ Cold Weather Gear Faces Overhaul After Poor Showing

they are training to invade russai?

This is less of a criticism for the USA and more of a criticism for the way the military is run in many countries.

Canada is fuckin cold and the Canadian army gets fuck all when it comes to gear

>>126450170
>they are training to invade russai?
No, training to expel Russian forces from Norway, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Estonia and Ukraine during winter months when Russia's northern troops are most likely to invade.

>>126452487
I was a bush pilot in the arctic for a number of years and wore Canadian Forces Mukluks. They are hard to beat.

>>126450170
What are they doing? They have Alaska and Canada to train in.

>>126450170
How about a link ahmed?
>sage

>>126453616
>Amerigroid trying to talk down to a Norwegian

>>126450170
They're probably using meme fabrics like microfleece which is pretty useless when there's even a light breeze.

>>126453084
strengthen alliance between nato members.
and when muh russia invades they have more experience with scandinavian troops

>>126453084
Learning from Penguin special forces

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I have always noticed americans complaining about the weather, always hurr is soo fuckn haht hurrr it been cuuuuld hurr hurre hurrrrr..

Like the spend every minute of their life in a air conditioned mcduhnalnds or something

American military has had problems designing useful uniforms for quite some time. We went so long without a hot war that congress decided to turn it into a jobs program for certain states and ignored actual quality of what was purchased.

Unfortunately for the Marines they can submit all the feedback they want, it probably won't get fixed until we go to war and thousands die in the snow.

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>>126450170
>“That was an emotional experience for many people,”

>emotional

>people

There are no longer any men in the American military, only 'emotional people'.

This is what the miltary has become, a bunch of pampered, spoiled little pussies.

>>126451910
Gonna take more than a platoon dipshit

>>126456042
wtf I lived neverserved libcuck millennials now

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Burgers played in sand for too long. Let them do what they do best- sending Nintendo pilots to drop 25m$ bombs on goat shepherds.

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>that feel when you've been at a base that gets -50 each year for the last three years and you don't complain like a bunch of sissy marines

CHAIRFORCE WINS AGAIN.

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>>126457597

> Universal camo

Worka so well.

>>126450170
>i live in the snow and am used to it so everyone else should be too!

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>>126457597
That shit was a contracting shenanigan. Thank you military industrial complex! Some retired general sucked off another one for kick backs to have that shit green lighted.

Thankfully now its mostly gone and the army doesn't wear that shit anymore. It is has also NEVER been used for actual combat zones for years now. Fuck heads getting soldiers killed over a piece of cloth and shekels.

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>>126457737

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>>126457737
navy vet
i'm so glad to be out
it's all just bullshit and politics now

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>>126457773

stfu you don't even have a military. You're a failed sugar plantation. Enjoy Haitian status by 2018.

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>>126458512
>8 to 4 office job
>hour lunches
>can leave early all the time
>never have to work overtime
>high demand in both government and civilian when I get out

There are people who literally sign up to run around and get shot at. Fucking wow. W. O. W.

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>>126458650
>You're a failed sugar plantation.

>>126458272
I heard total cost was something like $1.3 Billion for the UCP research. development and implementation and that its replacement program - multicam, etc was also several hundred million

Fucking ridiculous

>>126456042
The Bible says as much.

>>126455634
Where in America have you been? I notice that a lot more on the west coast than the east/middle states. I imagine it's because the further west you go the less consistent the weather is throughout the day. Cold at night hot in the day and sometimes varying day to day too.

more importantly
i watched that sorry game we've had
and canada actually has niggers on a hockey team
wtf

so back to the topic, can't they mean blacks when they say "gear"? becaseu htat would make sence. english not my first language

>>126455634
>3rd world shitskin mad that he doesn't have air conditioning
lmao

>>126450170
>Babby's first time outside california, not so tough anymore.
>expecting niggers to cope well in arctic environments

>>126458512
I was a UH-60 crew chief. Used to open up an ice cold energy drink right after dropping infantry cucks out in the middle of the desert and think to myself, dam that sucks hahah. Army Aviation masterrace.

>>126457597
UCP is one of the most embarrassing fuck ups ever in the history of the US military. It's the consequence of the faggotification and inflicted on the US military for the last 50 years. It was so bad I still can't believe the marines didn't come up with it.

>>126457737
>CHAIRFORCE
not like you ever went outside

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>>126457597

>>126458734
Men that wanna experience a real war.
Are you saying that never crossed your mind?

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>>126459095
In light of that and other considerations what would prevent men from creating a white ethnostate in the Pacific Northwest?

>>126450170
You dont actually have marines now do uou?

>>126452938
Did you fight Gojira?

>>126460820
Stop doing this.

There is no such thing as a one size fits all camo. Plop that ACU 4 feet to the right and that fucker would stand out like a soar thumb

>>126460985
they have

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2389/us-marines-brutally-ambushed-and-defeated-by-norwegian-kids.html

>>126455809
>it probably won't get fixed until the Navy unasses a load of cash from it's programs and takes care of it's foot soldiers.

>>126452487

What does this term "fuck all" mean exactly?

It sounds like a lot.

>>126462717
it means fuck all

>>126462717
It means "nothing", or "nothing worthwhile".

>>126455634
>one of the single largest nations in the world that extends from nearly the tropics up to almost the arctic circle
>single states larger than multiple european countries combined
>huge portion of country in area where the winters are cold and the summers are hot

gee i wonder why we complain about the weather

>>126462212
>the navy needs foot soldiers

the marines are a fucking waste and haven't been useful since world war 2. stop fucking supporting a group of oorah dipshits in the wrong goddamn part of the armed forces and letting them fuck up procurement even worse.

>m-muh f35 needs vtol for our tiny piss baby carriers

>>126453084

In seriousness, there's no real reason for US ground forces to train for extreme cold weather operations. Consider that the only two plausible theaters that have cold weather, the Arctic and Russia, wouldn't have US troops in them unless there was a massive world war happening (one which would be largely decided by air and sea power). For comparison, America has had 5+ ground conflicts in the past forty years in predominantly hot countries (Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan) and will probably have many more.

Of course, this article is also clickbait.

>>126453616

some surplus website's blog

https://kitup.military.com/2017/05/marines-cold-weather-gear-faces-overhaul-poor-showing-arctic.html

>>126450170
Why don't we just copy the gear the nordic countries have and study them?

They live there

We should basically just copy them

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>>126458650
Didnt seem like a failed sugar plantation when we where killing your faggot devil dogs and taking there rifles by the dozens

>>126463595
Antarctica will be the next great war.

http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/uk-issues-antarctic-terrorism-alert

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>>126459999

>It's the consequence of the faggotification and inflicted on the US military for the last 50 years.

This isn't related to UCP. UCP exists because it works great when soldiers are standing in dry brush, rock or snow. It is not good for woodland environments, but this was seen as a reasonable compromise because there aren't many woodland theaters in general.

Also UCP is not half the fuck up the naval NWU is, because the naval NWUs actually present a clear safety hazard for most naval staff who wear them. Hence why the navy should just adopt hi vis orange or yellow as their standard color so visibility vests are no longer required.

>>126450170

>spend 20 some odd years in desert lands.
>be shocked our winter gear blows.

>>126464389
>niggers blend into brown wildlife theathers

I don't think that has anything to do with the cammo

>>126456042

Well duh, all the Chad and alphas are in college banging sluts. Manlets and retard betas are in the army now.

>>126464075

That link alone goes to demonstrate how fucked up military planning can get. Some fat shit officer actually sat down, and seriously suggested that pirates (often poor as shit niggers that can't afford jackets or heating oil let alone survive in snow) would camp out in the bottom of the planet (far away from where most trade occurs) and it as a base of operations. Piracy is a real concern, but it's far more likely to happen in places where people actually live and where trade actually happens. Because that is where the criminals and the goods are.

Also, piracy itself is more of a Law Enforcement issue than a Military one. The only reason the Navy gets involved with piracy stuff is because it happens outside of anyone's jurisdiction in international waters as was the case during the Maersk Alabama hijacking.

>>126464389
I am of shock, UCP has use more then just grandmas couch?

>be from california
>be security forces
>stationed in misawa
>stationed in montana

I practically lived in the snow for those six years. To be honest, I'd like to go back. The warm weather is nice in CA, but there was very little crime and the people were more pleasant. Very few niggers and spics other than the ones stationed there.

>>126464049

entonces deja de nadar a puerto rico ok?

>>126462717

"Did fuck all" = "did absolutely nothing"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck%20all

>>126465160

In deserts or other dry places that do not have much foliage. That's the point.

The turn to UCP was indicative of a larger shift away from Cold War doctrine (ie preparing for a ground war in your country) and towards the current doctrine (damage control in mudshit countries).

>>126463595
>In seriousness, there's no real reason for US ground forces to train for extreme cold weather operations

While you're right in that currently it's of lesser importance, it's a bit of a cold war remnant. If shit went down, Scandinavia would be a very important front. I don't see WW3 happening any time soon, but it's good for a military to be prepared for any circumstances.

Especially since there are currently several countries trying to claim parts of the North Pole for resources that are becoming increasingly scarce.

Also, you'll be surprised how cold Afghanistan can get during winter.

Pack light freeze at night

>>126450170

Bring back the polypro thermals! 2 liter bottles make for warm as fuck underpants.

>>126459166
Shit man out in California we got two seasons, wet winter and hot summer. One look outside will tell you how the weather will be all day if not the rest of the week.

Out in the Midwest every time a cloud blows over expect rain, or a season change.

>>126464908
The military has become a giant daycare facility. >>126464984
No shit. How do they come up with stuff like this?

The United States spent trillions of dollars on a "war on terror" and terrorism is worse than ever. The world's strongest military lost horribly against smelly dudes in sandals with AK-47s that probably haven't seen fresh oil in decades.
It doesn't matter how technologically advanced you are when you are fighting for evil and your soldiers are aware of this. How many US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan do you think really felt like they were defending their country? The Muslims are fighting for their homelands and their religion, US soldiers fight for a paycheck and other financial and social opportunities earned by serving. You can bomb as many Muslims as you want, but the whole world knows you are wrong, including many of your own people, and that's why you will never win in such a situation. Everyone knows Americans will not fight any formidable opponents, they fight weak countries that then resort to terrorism, and you can't defeat terrorism with a conventional military.

well yeah it looks like they got the black out there, niggers and snow just don't mix, they're even color coded to show you "don't put this guy in the snow".

>>126450170
>gear tried
>gear failed
>new gear incoming

Why is this an issue?

>>126465490

>If shit went down, Scandinavia would be a very important front.

By the time things get to that point you'd be left to die as your countries would be mass bombed from the air. It's not 1980 anymore, if Russia invades Europe there's not going to be any American troops to stop them, only bombs. A D-day style ground invasion is way too costly compared to flying bombers from the US to Poland and back without a refuel (a thing made possible due to post-Cold War advancements in high performance engines and fuels).

>>126450170
>emotional experience

that's a euphemism for saying that they swore and yelled at the people

>>126465830

spoiler: the military was always just adult daycare. Anyone worth their shit went to college, a thing the DoD started giving to soliders for free in order to help break the cycle of stupidity most were trapped in

>>126464049
*their

>>126465993
Because you are bankrupt.

>>126465867
This. Technology will win the battle, but it doesn't always win the war.

>>126466235
If going to college makes people smart, explain liberals.

>>126466089
correct

>>126465830
>No shit. How do they come up with stuff like this?

Some jackoff higher up son is given a think tank analysis job and gets paid 120k a year to come up with stupid scenarios.

Normally it's nothing, but when it's taken seriously it becomes a problem.

This is the result of 9/11. Regardless of what you think nobody expected planes. So the government is now free to oblige retarded ideas and back it with policy.

>>126466235
Welp the deal is that I drank a bottle of Jack Daniels with a buddy and we decided to join the Army together. Otherwise I would have went to college and become a marine biologist.

>>126459558

F-16 crew chief here. Always just jealous of the pilots.

>>126450170
Why the fuck are you posting this Norway?
Artic training is Finnish territory, granted iirc only elite snow training is done in Funland

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>>126450170
Gear matters, but training most. You should not laugh norwegian friend, you know how annoying a good cold can be, even if were used to it.

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>>126450170

Its their fault all of the major marine bases are located in fucking warm climates such as South Carolina and SD

Maybe move one of those bases to Minnesota or something to better prepare the fucking retards

>>126457737
>Dad was Telecom back in the old days
>Used to tell me how all the other branches whined like fucking babies over everything

>>126466941

Our fresh out of high school 18 year olds train in harsher climate than your standing army burger, that's probably why he posted this.

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Who's eaten one of these? They are suffering

>>126466803
Sad but true.

>>126464049
That sounds exactly like a failed sugar plantation actually.

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>>126457597

>>126467236
is this one of those bags they put into boots so they dont get wet?

>>126450170
Well they have been fighting sand niggers in fuckistan for the past 15 years so I am not surprised arctic gear has been on the back burner

>>126467236
Diarrhea cha cha chaa

>>126467484
wow.. the dutch soldier actually looks like my dad

>>126467501
Yes, after you eat the stuff inside it. But you only wear it in one boot at a time, left first.

>>126453084
Little known fact: Alaskan units actually go to Fort Drum in New York for cold weather training.

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>>126465490
>Scandinavia would be a very important front.

We could just give the Finns a bunch of meth and not have to worry about it.

>>126463210
>the marines are a fucking waste

expeditionary force already projected on the water ready to storm ashore and do the dirty work other need days or weeks to prepare for

not my fault if the joint chiefs are improperly using their forces, but everyone wants to get their dick in the fight and end up asking them to do work outside of their doctrine.

>>126467599
If you're spending the amount of money the US is spending on defence, you should be able to whoop anyone's ass anywhere.

>>126467638
After all these years you finally found your missing dad in a picture in /pol/!
Gratz, im glad for you!

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>>126450170
How I miss our annual winter-exercises.

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>>126466803
>Regardless of what you think nobody expected planes.

Bullshit.
>be me story
>tl;dr the intel told them planes will be stolen and used to crash into building.

if the major players refuse to act on the intel they can always claim they didn't know (but they did!)

>>126467221
It wasn't an insult nigger, all of our elite snow training is done in Funland because we are best buddies. Training for cold in Norway is babby tier and far more run of the mill

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>>126468347
Nöttkött. Delicious!
Combined with ärtsoppa, peasoup, its gourmee.

>>126466877
You can't even call yourself a crew chief. You don't even fly niggah.

>>126456042
thats what happens when theres not a major conflict going on. The world is at peace for now, at least for most of the 1st world countries. besides small skirmishes with american troops in the middle east, the american military really hasn't seen heavy combat in a while.

>>126467818
>10th mountain's home
>been there for a dft in oct
>living under a hasty poncho tent
>wet and cold @ 34 degrees for five days
>suuuuuuuuuucked

>>126450170
Bet those who complained loudest were niggers.
They bitch about the air conditioning all the fucking time.

>>126452714
Why would we want any of these shitty countries?
Better for us to take Mongolia. At least there are less mongols there...

>>126467820
My fucking sides are gone.
Thank you for the post.

>>126466427
That's true. Sometimes winning enough battles results in winning a war, but you need a morally superior position. In WW2 America liberated countries (at least that's how the natives percieved it). Now the US occupies them or hits them with bombs without any beneficial results to the natives. Every bomb dropped on Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, etc. probably creates more enemies than it kills.

>>126450170
when was last time U.S army fought an enemy in winter conditions?? Korean War??

>>126468587

My post wasn't an insult either. Maybe you should train your entire army and not just special forces in harsh climate is what I was getting at. If our 18 year olds can do it then yours can too.

>>126468982
Well the title is crew chief so what you wanna call it don't matter much to me or anyone.

>>126464049
>dozens
lol Good job, little buddy.

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>>126465867
>Everyone knows Americans will not fight any formidable opponents, they fight weak countries
>formidable opponents

You completely failed to name one. Because compared to America, there are no formidable opponents. There was the Soviet Union, but they completely collapsed trying to keep up with us. It's good to be the best.

Maybe in two decades the chicoms will finally be able to build a real navy and challenge us. I won't hold my breath.

>>126450170
Listen faggot. You don't know how much our "extreme" weather gear sucks. I'd wear it on 50 degree weather and feel comfy, it should be hellishly hot to wear on anything above 30. You could easily get hypothermia on 0-10 degree weather, which happens some times in NE let alone the artic.
t. Army

>>126450170
"Emotional experience" in the military (at least in the Navy) is khaki-code for "There was a lot of yelling and a fight, but we don't want to take that many people to NJP because it would paralyze the unit."

>>126471392
The Soviets were formidable enough for the US not to engage them directly, but only through proxy wars. There are many countries that the US doesn't dare to touch directly. Not because it can't defeat them militarily, but because it would cost lots of American lives. The cold war never ended, for this reason.

>>126473954
>There are many countries

Again you completely failed to name one. Strike two! In baseball, you only get three strikes.

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>>126469779
>russia not raped by mongols for centuries.
Ease off the krokodil, igor.

>>126450170
I love the cold

Most Marines are either spics or dumb hicks that couldn't get into college.

>>126467818
that's probably just because fairbanks and the surrounding area (including JBER) is a legitimate shithole

not surprised

amerishits are complete pussies

>>126450170

Remember that Russia just sent like 200 troops in a mission to the arctic

>>126474507
North Korea, Iran, Russia, China.

>>126450170
Huh, is there reason that you are training them?

>>126450170

>LMAO "emotional experience". Babby's first time outside california, not so tough anymore.

It's true, 90% of the military is absolute pussy bitches when it comes to real cold.

Nigga 10 degrees isn't even cold.

Learn what -60 wind chill does to your face.

>>126474507
China, Russia and Iran amd North Korea are the most obvious examples. All of these countries would have been attacked long ago if the same foreign policy logic was applied to them as was applied to Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason they haven't been attacked is because they are formidable opponents. Again, not formidable in the sense that they wouldn't be defeated if it came to that, but formidable enough for the US not to touch them.

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>>126450170
>Babby's first time outside california
I know you have a Norwegian flag, but you're really from Somalia, and this is Burger-bait and all, but it's obvious every military is only prepared to fight the last war it fought. The US has fought desert wars for the last almost 30 years, we aren't training in a snowy backyard all the time. Knowing our government, the contractor was given contracts through political patronage of a Senator, and trying out the gear IRL was the only way the military could prove it was shit and get it corrected. Sounds like problem solved in this case.

Also, you have to go back.

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>>126450170

>opinion of a lieutenant.

Wew fuck lad.

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>>126450170
Compared to the British Army that can travel across the Atlantic and defeat an enemy that has had weeks to dig in and prepare defences, in sub-zero temperatures to protect a few thousand people on a couple of islands that no one cares about.

And not one soldier complained.

>>126476531
This, Ive spent weeks in upstate New York hunting in weather down to -20 at times and these pussies can't handle a bit of snow. Its alright though they only really need to learn how to get blown up by IEDs in the middle of the desert

>>126471392

>and challenge us

I'm still waiting for a response to the OPM hack and subsequent water grab after they pushed the CIA out.

They are the real enemy of the present, and I seem to be the only person cognizant of it.

Is it just me or does it seem like the US military is just a casual occupational option for people who want free education and other gibsmedats?

Over here if you join the army it's because that's what you want to do with your life, it's not a few years you give up because you're gonna get some financial benefit from it.

In any given thread on here you'll end up with army yanks talking to each other about how easy it is and how they get to shitpost on 4chan all day and get paid for it.

>>126476555
>China, Russia and Iran amd North Korea

You want America to attack them first? We aren't war mongering europeans. We don't start world wars. That's your job.

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>>126450170
Ahahaha whiney bitch burger marines. Go back to Miami.

>>126477520

>Is it just me or does it seem like the US military is just a casual occupational option for people who want free education and other gibsmedats?

It's morphing into that, but that's what you get when your advertisements are just trying to offer people gibs while laxing standards.

>>126466941
The training in question in the OP took place in Norway, not Finland.
There is a lot of arctic training in Norway. You might be confused though, since it takes place in Finnmark

>>126477939

>We aren't war mongering europeans.

No you're warmongering Americans.

>>126469779
And Khazakstan. They are far too quiet....

>>126478231

Only if you don't like our banks

>>126452938
I've only heard praises about those things, how are they a step above other cold gear footwear, in your opinion?

>>126451910
Day of the rake

>>126465867
lel Russians are just a bunch of mouth-breathers. We don't fight 'wars on terror' we basically keep our currency afloat by propping up regimes that deal in our dollars.
From that perspective, yes our fighting forces are defending America from complete collapse, even if it is inevitable. Now BTFO mongoloid.

>>126465673
Midwest, Appalachians, northwest, Alaska, Rockies, northeast, and southeast. Literally only the southwest has consistent weather. I live in Florida. We have 2 seasons as well. 3 months of perfection and 9 months of sweltering wet heat

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>>126450170
All bark and no bite

>>126477939
I don't want anyone to attack. Nice attempt to derail the argument. The point that America only fights weak nations still stands. But ok I'll destroy that argument too: America not only fights weak nations, it does so a lot. What was the last war Europeans started? WW2 lasted for about 5 years, WW1 even shorter. The US has been at pretty much constant war since its inception.

>>126456042
t. Someone who hasn't tried to operate with the wrong/bad gear in bad conditions

You can stick a squaddie in the biggest suckhole you can find and as long as you equipped him correctly, he'll be fine

>>126450170
Shit camo, and they even have spics and niggers without a facemask on.
Why is the US military a safehaven for closeted faggots and niggers? I actually wanted to join a while back, but then I found out that I would be taking orders from niggers, so of course who would want that.

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>>126478231

Says the country that started two world wars just because you couldn't compete with German industry.

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>>126477520
Why would anyone >85 IQ want to willingly be a soldier? I can understand wanting to be an officer, but a soldier.

That's why conscription is God-Tier. Doing the shittiest job is a lot more bearable when others also have to do it.

>>126464389
>Hence why the navy should just adopt hi vis orange or yellow as their standard color so visibility vests are no longer required.

This makes sense. Why would you wear camo looking like water unless you're hiding in the water. The only thing it does is making you harder to see if you fall over board.

>>126450170
People not from the U.S. might not know this but the Marines gets the worst funding of the major branches by far. Government hates the marines for some reason, even tried to eliminate the branch after ww2. Completely unsurprising they got shafted in cold weather gear

>>126466235

Except college is largely just another mechanism of social indoctrination now.

They're just as stupid as always, the only difference is, they believe themselves to be more intelligent now. This is not a good thing.

>>126464908
The military is pretty much just a eugenics program for retards and spics at this point. Maybe we should even have mandatory military service for men under 6 feet

>>126478724

We've been putting squaddies in shitholes with inadequate equipment for a century.

We had the worst battle rifle of the modern era.

British Army is the best in the world in regards to training but we're so shit and equipping our soldiers properly.

But being British we just made a joke out of it instead of complaining, though we had every right to.

>>126478799
>muh britain is the sole reason for ww1

They all sacrificed their empires to stop each other

>>126478572
I don't disagree with any of this, that's why I put "war on terror" in quotation marks. But this isn't the explicit purpose and they don't tell the soldiers that's what they're fighting for.

>>126468520
The only thing that picture shows is that Bin Laden said he wanted to do some sort of damage in america
Do you know how many terrorists say they want to hit the U.S. every year? Hundreds

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>>126464389

No way, blueberries make me giggle every time.

Also my husbear fills his out.

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>>126478799
britcucks BTFO. they had to BREXIT just to run away from german industry again, why do they refuse to compete fairly?

>>126467484
>finns are wh-

>>126479128
Yes, but we're dealing with men here, white men at that. I'd like to know how "multicultural and diverse" that platoon is. I bet they're all a bunch of slack-jawed faggots.

>>126467484

Do we really not have winter boots?

That's a mistake.

>>126466543
There is such a thing as over educated
Makes a man brainwashed, eloquent, but stupid. Ive seen more wisdom in backwoods bluecollars than manhattan educators

>>126480332

>Ive seen more wisdom in backwoods bluecollars than manhattan educators

At the end of the day, the world is about content.

Dress it up as much as you want, when you boil it all down, that's what you're left with.

>>126480332

That's why the best people are those from a tough background who go to university.

They see through the bullshit and challenge it.

>>126480528
Don't judge the contents by the ((((label))).

>>126464049
By "we" do you mean a bunch of other people, not you?

>>126450170
>emotional experience
that's just code for pissed off

>>126480695

Makes life easier to deal with in the short term, when it's easily defined. That's the only reason people do it.

Learning why people are the way they are is too much for most people. You might have to ask uncomfortable questions.

>>126480528

What the fuck does this even mean? I know Americans love dumb sayings that make them feel good but what did you mean by this?

Under Cold Respons a few years back it was full chaos in one of the US camps.
They ran out water, and didn't figure out you could melt snow.
The US troops are notoriously bad at handling cold climate.

>>126481081

Doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on a pig.

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>>126481027
It's a lot of hard work, both physically and mentally. Most people take the easy way out. Pic sort of related if you know the feel.

>>126481667

Honestly, it just requires you to be constantly present.

To analyze "why", in the moment. To not get lost in the "what if".

Once you can do that, you can see through anyone. But that's a gift and a curse.

>>126481081
You can get any kind of stone you want, but at the end of the day the stone is not weightless.

>>126465673
4 seasons: kinda ok, rainy, construction, and on fire

>>126478621

>Literally only the southwest has consistent weather

Kawaii has the best weather in the world. After a couple decades of Wisconsin overcast, this place will soften you up quick.

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>>126482374
Indeed. There is a great responsibility in this knowledge. The ability to create....and destroy.

Frozen chosen bitch marines improvise adapt and overcome in any environment

>>126455634
nobody gives a flying fuck about what a dominican thinks about anything, go cut cane till your back shines nigger

>tfw we can take alaska if we want to

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>>126455634
>Spending every minute of your life in an air conditioned McDonald's
>Implying

>>126457737
Hahaha go the fuck gone shit posting airforse u pussys never go to the field and be real here you sat ur fat ass in a heated building and barracks lmao fucking pussys

>>126466337

We just got $100 billion from Saudi Arabia.

>>126450170
Year after year half a trillion budget, and this is the result. Granted, the black budget has gone to places, but this isn't a good look for the public. I mean who cares, anyway.

>>126464049
Wow look how mad he got

>>126459558
We got picked up by chinooks one day after about a 25 mile hump. One of the crew guys in the back thought he'd be a hero and try to handle some guy's ruck. Kid couldn't even get it up the ramp. Just said fuck it and took a seat as we all filed in and flopped all over the place. Master race indeed.

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>>126467395

underrated

>>126481081
You don't think it be like it is but it do.

>>126450170
I found the article but it says nothing about emotions https://kitup.military.com/2017/05/marines-cold-weather-gear-faces-overhaul-poor-showing-arctic.html

>>126465490

Yes, most of the world can get really cold, that's right.

But how exactly is Scandinavia important? If the Russians invade, as I see it, it would be a remake of the Nazi invasion of Denmark and Norway.
However, the Russians could secure all their important "bases" before going to the Atlantic (think Sweden and Finland and maybe even the area around Copenhagen). I don't see that Russians need to control the Atlantic part of Scandinavia to achieve their goals.

Kazakhstan (probably as cold as Scandi, if not more) would be way more important in a war against Russia than Scandi, specially its Atlantic part.

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the only thing the ameriturd marines are good for are shooting unarmed civilians in eyerack or droning or sniping from a mile away if they're shooting at combatants.
The day they come up against a real army these fucking faggots will shit the bigmac right down their panties

>>126470622

This is very true.

Although the U.S. knows how to make a lot of elites happy.

(((elites))) of all kinds not only this one.

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>>126460947

The FBI

>>126455809
Not just the military. People who work for the National Parks have to wear those polyester shirts even if they have a field position. Those fuckers are horrible in 90+ degree heat.

>>126457737
Thule?

>>126471392

Don't be stupid. You americans cannot simply invade either Russia or China.

You americans are not able to conquer India (except by gib me dats).

You go to war against Iran and you will be so fucked you have no idea.

>>126476555

Yes indeed. The Dutch is right.

I add that the United States would have a huge surprise if it dared to invade Mexico southwards of Mexico's northern states.

I'm not saying the U.S. can't win a war against Mexico, of course it can, I'm just saying that if the U.S. invades without the support of most Mexicans the Americans would lose Hundreds of Thousands to Millions before taking Mexico City.

>>126476675

Falklands, not Malvinas. Rule Britania! Rule the waves!

>>126487590

The pushback would be larger from within border states (civ pop) than from the front.

>>126451910

either that or inevitable war for Arctic that is upcoming in the next 20 years when treaty expires. Russia has a good claim that entire Arctic is theirs due to Lomonosov Ridge

>>126487882

I could go for a snow war. Make Men Out of Boys Again

>>126487139
What are you talking about? Americans are able to conquer any country in the world.

>>126486335

Unfortunately for you, Pakistan is difficult to occupy, but its military (nukes don't count) is easy to defeat, in my opinion.

>>126488131

Yeah ok, I saw that on TV too, they must be right, then....

>>126486901
>implying they won't create it themselves and then blame us for it.

>>126469779
doesn't matter to us. we're currying favor and SoI in a shell game against your political smearing of our country. not even mad here just explaining; its a natural reaction to want to support countries against your threat and simultaniously get favor out of it.

>>126487873

That's also a factor, a factor I usually tend to ignore.

Not every Spic is a Mexican, and not every Mexican-American is a "Mexican" though, despite the Democratic attempts for it to be so and the Republicans biting the bait, as always.

>>126476590
thanks for the news. Always happy when someone blows out a right wing fag shilling bullshit about muh cali or other low hanging fruit, especially when theyre probably also another righty.

>>126463595
>shouldn't train in the cold
Gee, wonder how our enemies would use that lack of experience and gear to their advantage? There is zero reason not to have troops trained in all conditions.

>>126478869
>Why would anyone >85 IQ want to willingly be a soldier?

because it's in our genes to be warriors and if we don't spend that energy somewhere useful then many of us will turn into killers in our local villages. War has to be pacified over many generations

>>126478799
ww2
I. just

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>>126488396

What do you think the Alt-Right is?

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>>126486335
>sniping from a mile away
Your Welcome

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>>126455634
Come to Pennsylvania.
We have 100+ summers and winters in the negatives.

>>126488578

Yup, the chaos would be much larger within these areas than in Mexico.

Friendly fire errywhere.

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>>126488624
>leftard noises
tl;dr

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>>126450170
I work for the National Park Service in the US. Last summer we had to go on an overnight SAR to pull a team of green berets off of Long's Peak.

It's been a running joke around the shop: "Yeah, a bunch of hard-ass green berets had to get rescued by a bunch of hippies."

To be fair, not only were they unprepared gear wise, but they were also not used to the altitude. The majority of them had altitude sickness.

>>126481667
we will conquer the world

>>126468347
Is that pashtiet?

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>>126451910

I was a Maureen and every year they would detach a certain number of Marines to go to Okinawa, Norway, LeJeune, 29 Stumps, etc.

Norway was always the most desirable and the NCOs and Staff NCOs who organized the trips always gave Norway to their best buds.

One time I even told a sergeant I would pay him $50 to get me on a 2 week trip to Okinawa (it paid more than the others and was a chance to go to Japan for free). He accepted it but I stiffed him on the payment.

>>126462717
>this term "fuck all" mean
nothing, or nothing much

See: dick all; diddly squat.

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>>126463595
>Consider that the only two plausible theaters that have cold weather, the Arctic and Russia, wouldn't have US troops in them unless there was a massive world war happening
...and you wouldn't want to be prepared for that.

>>126478502
How do you rake away a cactus?

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>>126489070
what's with your Wawa stores?
Wawa is a Canadian town with a huge Canada goose. How does that end up in Penn and Jersey as a corner store?

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>>126490928
For a second I thought it said BEADY

>>126467116
Minn, were its -20 before you add windchill and its just another day. ho hum

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>>126476675
no one cares we accomplished much more in korea

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>>126451910

It's to defend Finnmark in NATO member Norway from the Finns who want their ancestral clay back.

>It was an emotional experience l
Of course it was, the American military is now filled with faggots and transwomen. A few drunk Finns could shank their way to Washington with little resistance.

>>126451910
Most likely Chicago.

>>126467074
I was in Finnmark during my conscription. Anything above the polar-circle is the last place Id ever want to be if a war breaks out. It has to be the worst fucking place to be.

>Water turns to Ice, so you have to heat that shit just to drink
>Hurts touching your weapon without gloves
>Skiing with gear sucks
>Walking in snow sucks

We got told stories about the germans during WWII, when they tried to invade Murmansk.
The Germans HAD to change to summer uniforms 15 of may or something, and they got a snowstorm 17th of may. Shitloads died.

As long as our greatest ally still needs us to sweat, bleed and die for them, it doesn't matter. America will continue to have superior funding, technology and military power.

>>126450170
Shit man. I don't mind giving some shit eating devil dog my Gen IV if they need it. Being army is comfy as fuck in the snow.

>>126491740

"Wawa" is a Native American word for the Canada Goose that was found in the Delaware Valley over 100 years ago. Our original Dairy farm was built on land located in a rural section of Pennsylvania called Wawa. That's why we use the goose on Wawa's corporate logo.

>>126452938
nigga you should have listened to them eskimos and left gamora alone