I will now solve the gay little Epicurean argument that tries

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That's a lot of strawmans anon. Have you read the greeks?

>>126243835
I'm not misrepresenting any arguments here. My logic is infallible. See >>126243539

Meanwhile in Heaven
>Humans think they're people lmao
>I wish God would just like us rain fire down on these fucking monkeys
>I fucking hate race traitors like Lucifer #GiveTheFruitTasteTheBoot

>>126244139
You seem to conflate suffering with the natural order. While suffering CAN and IS part of the natural order, it can also be in defiance of it.
>inb4 you believe everything is part of the natural order

>>126243539
hi john

>>126244404
>some things are not part of the natural order?

Whence did them come, my friend?

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>>126244139
>I will now solve
Another religious nut-job who has to play all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince himself that the dumbest, most irrational stupidities even conceived by the mind of man actually make sense. You're worshipping a jewish false-flag psyop that was intended to destroy Europe.
Good goy.

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>>126243539
>Evil is illusory. There is no evil.

Well bucko, then why does your holy book operate with the term, then?

Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

>Pain?
No. Nobody is saying pain itself is evil.

However, preventable pain that is inflicted intentionally on an unwilling victim is most definitely evil.

>Death? Death and decay are as much a part of life as birth and growth and beauty. There would be no birth without death, no beauty without ugliness.

There is no reason there couldn't be birth without death. And given sufficient technological progress, we'd have a fuck ton of space to accommodate everyone - the universe.

>wahhh why do we have to die mommy wahh i just want to live forever wahh
You tell that to the orphans, the widows and people whose life fell apart after the love of their life died.

>Suffering?
As with pain, context matters. Unnecessary suffering that is unnecessary and inflicted against the will of the victim is a bad thing.

>There is no such thing as pure evil.
Ok. Explain the devil.

>All is only love
Well, I sure as hell am glad that I didn't get the 'love' that is freezing and starving to death while fighting for survival in chaos, as humans did for hundreds of thousands of years.

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>>126245382
>destroy europe

>>126243539
Your whole argument falls apart because God promises to stand against evil and he does not.

>>126245374
start with the greeks man

I've seen a beheading video of a terrorist decapitating a child with a dull knife.

Wtf do you call that?

>>126245624
>>126245670

There may be different contexts for the word "evil." In my argument I am referring more to a "pure" evil which draws its power from a source separate from God, which is impossible. The context that it is used in the Bible may be different, as in a betrayal of God, but which does not make God malevolent.

>>126246300
I've seen a video of a live Zebra losing its entrails as it tries to run away from a Hyena who is goring a hole in its rear end. What's your point?

>>126246420
If God was so perfect his underlings wouldn't have rebelled against him in the first place.

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>>126245656
Hey nice church.
Now for argument's sake imagine what we could have accomplished by the time of the renaissance if it hadn't been for 1000 years of illiteracy and self-imposed mental-retardation. But by all means, keep believing that your jew on a stick is going to save you.

>>126246579
I can't believe you justified child sacrifice.

This thread is over.

God is real, so is evil...

... but you're a fucking asshole and you have no friends. KYS.

>>126246608
that was part of Gods plan you dummy

>>126243539
>There is no evil.
evil is opposite of God

>>126246893
Sure it was. And who's plan is God a part of? Men.

>>126246681
The Jews hated Jesus and his message.

>>126246893
Step 1: Create tons of slaves, make it so about half are prone to hate me afterwards
Step 2: Make an universe because why not
Step 3: Make imperfect being so they can worship me
Step 4: Have half my underlings try to rebel against me
Step 5: Have the rebels torment my future worshipers
Step 6: ???
Step 7: GODLY PROFIT

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>>126247121
Is that what they told you?

>>126247050
God cannot oppose itself. What stands apart from God eventually returns to God.

>>126243539
Trying to prove/disprove God through logic seems equally stupid to me.

>>126247239
That's what they do.

>>126243539
how can we be heroes and conquerors when god does all the work for us?

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>>126246790
Didn't think anyone on /pol/ would get so easily triggered.

>>126247220
since the creation of time God knew the end of this world, he's outside of this time, we are living our time now at our own pace, he knows whats for us here

>>126247100
people use the name of God for their own gain, Jesus warns us about it, what's new

>>126247250
Even Satan?

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>>126243539
The "evil" being talked about isn't what a Christian thinks of as evil. The argument doesn't work if people try to apply it to Christianity, because suffering =/= evil to a Christian.

>>126247669
Then why create it in the first place?

>>126247691
Where do you think Satan came from?

>>126247649
The dude is trying to say that it's godly to kill children or that the people who sacrifice children will also go to heaven.

That's some terrorist level shit.

>>126244139
>>infallible
Wewlad

>>126247755
Which begs the question, then why create God?
>Ohh no, but God has always been!
No, friend, the universe has always been. If there is a God he is only part of it, just like Satan and all his other minions.

>>126247755
who knows, why allow Satan to go wild and not stop him right there?

i think God want to test us and take the most aproved for himself

the Bible hints about the next step of this plan

>>126247841
So Satan opposes God, but nothing opposes God since it all came from Him, and all the times Satan does something to fuck up God's creation in reality is just God false flagging us because... reasons?

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>>126247843
I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's saying all things in the universe are literally made up of and from God. Therefore it is impossible for something to be (not)God or ungodly.

>>126243539
Why are you attempting to deconstruct somebodies critique of religion by arguing the very rules those religions operate via don't exist? Typical hamburger education people/

>>126248186
DOES NOT COMPUTE!

>>126243539
>there would be no birth without death

That's wrong though

Even if people never died ever then birth would still happen.

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>>126248129
>is just God false flagging us because... reasons?
this

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>>126243539
The Epicurean rhetoric does not outright exclude the existence of a God.
A malevolent God could very well exist under his rhetorical model, as well as one that is simply uncaring. Also, a God with limited powers could exist.
The old testament quite clearly portrays God as spiteful and malevolent, so relax, your faith is largely unchallenged by his statements.
Unless you're one of these cumbaya africa orphan feeding cuck chirstians, in which case, yes, this argument completely blows you the fuck out forever as a worshipper of essentially a prehistoric Mary Sue character.

>>126246214
No, where do things that exist come from if they're not part of the natural order?
It should be a fairly simple question to answer, unless of course everything that exists IS part of the natural order.

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>>126248261
If God is an infinite being. How can an infinite being create something separate from itself?

>>126247843
I didn't say everyone goes to heaven, nor did I say bloodshed was godly. But no creation of the world is without the seed of God, and therefore nothing is completely without godliness, even the most savage terrorist. He will return to God, too, not as a transcendent soul but as matter.

>>126248451
Because he fucking hates that shit.

I try to rid myself of evil all the fucking time.

It's what I'm doing right now.

That ability in and of itself is evidence that there's something fucky going on.

You try convincing 7 billion people that evil doesn't exist.

>>126248444
>>126248451
And here is were we start to arrive at the logical limits that demonstrate that we are dealing with people trying to rationalise the moronic fairy-tales of a sick and twisted, primitive desert-dwelling folk.
nice trips

>>126248451
Ehh, playing devil's (Or God's) advocate here but infinite doesn't really mean all-encompassing. For example, there are infinite natural numbers but negative numbers exist and are just as infinite. There are varying degrees of infinity and you can always come up with things outside the last set of infinity.

>>126248758
My question is too difficult for you I see, so you've resorted to name calling.

>>126243539
There are people who enjoy causing pain and suffering to others. Pain and suffering itself isn't evil, but enjoying the act of inflicting it is.

>>126248129
What has the power to unify with God has the power to resist it also, but it cannot resist it forever (this is my point). Satan is total resistance to God, but his strength is infinitely lesser, because ultimately the force of the cosmos will sweep up everything in its tide. And even those who betrayed God and chose not to evolve owe him their existence and all their power.

>>126246681
I know man, fuck the muslims for destroying egypt and plundering all the western worlds resources and destroying their trade routes.

Without their constant warmongering we would not have had a dark ages and the catholic monks wouldnt have needed to transcribe/take as many great works and books as possible from the great libraries before the fucking ragheads burned it down.

The world would almost be better without arabs.

>>126248262
Death precedes life.

>>126248451
i dont get your point, in this reality he made everything from himself, the big bang could be a good representation

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>>126248589
It's weird. Seems like you've combined new age stuff with Christianity.

>>126248677
Doesn't really answer the question. Unless you're saying God is not of an infinite nature and fallible.

>>126248758
Who said I'm trying to rationalize anything in the terms of the Abrahamic religions?

>>126248875
That's true. But you're talking about a concept. Not something that occupies physical space.

>>126249064
That still doesn't explain why resistance exist in the first place. You can't have God be perfect and at the same time be opposed by his own creations. What could happen is that it is all powerful but not omniscient, think of Azathoth from Lovercraft Mythos.

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>>126249271
It definitely could be. I don't get what you don't get.

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>>126248758
never in my life have I been more certain of what someone looks like without having seen them

>>126249277
You're dead already.

Stop trying to spread your death.

>>126246420
What makes god malevolent, however, is unwillingness preventing unnecessary suffering.

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>>126249518
edgy

>Explain to me then, what is evil?

The opposite of good.

>What is good?

The opposite of evil.

This is where you realize that if you do away with evil you do away with good because you end up with a tautology.

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>>126248957
It's not name-calling at all, it's calling a spade a spade. Any logical thinker can read through the bible and again and again run into plot-holes, self-contradictions and sheer superstitious drivel. you may not like me and others calling it that but that's really what it is.
>inb4 allegorical references to truisms

>>126249577
You want to be evil so bad. Might I suggest that you take your comfy ass to a war torn village?

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>>126249710
Why you making all these strange assumptions. When did I say I want to be evil?

>>126249560
that's not what Jesus says, this life is to suffer and endure, grow up
it differs from liberals atheist that want to prevent every bit of suffering and be babies all their life, living off the state

>>126249592
To be fair we can't yet define our morality without resorting to appeal of authority or appeal to force. But that doesn't disprove the existence of morality, for example, we all can agree that torturing children for the hell of it is "evil"

>>126249838
You're just looking for an argument.

I wish I could be as bored as you.

>>126243539
Ok great. So now what is God?

>>126249277
Aren't both new age stuff and christianity part of the natural order?

>>126249059
Deliberately inflicting pain (ie not an accident) is an extension of inner pain. Inner pain is a symptom of complications and missteps in life. Just like a river can become a swamp, full of pestilence and unseemly things, a human can become a tangled mess of despair which has become so toxic to growth and beauty that it destroys whatever comes near it. But, again, it too will go to God one day.

>>126249979
nicely put

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>>126249965
I'm being 100% honest. I have literally no clue what you're talking about.

Though strangely a long time ago I remember having a similar conversation with a Christian and they had a similarly unexplained hostile reaction

>>126246790
Agentic evil is different from natural evil.

OP's argument essentially says natural evil is not really evil but us being whiney bitches.

There is obviously agentic evil otherwise the term evil would not exist. This being said, what is outlined by human evil is simple and yet at the same time complex.

On the one hand it includes morals and customs.

if we use the OT for an example, the Jews had hundreds of customs around cleanliness which where related to sin/holiness and were part of this cultural form of evil/goodness. They also had other moral laws like the 10 commandments which superseded these customs.

By the time the NT comes around god is saying "i have come to fulfill the law" meaning "its not what goes in a man but what comes out of him that makes him evil" So the whole part of leviticus with the shrimp and pork gets thrown out because evil cannot come from them but the heart. In a way the fulfillment changes from being merely obedient to gods direct law, to being one who lives in as though they were the laws of the universe. That is, for "thou shall not kill" The spirit would have to be so gentle that thoughts of murder never enter for the person to have "fulfilled the law" in following christ.

This points to human evil being directly tied to mans conscience as well as certain higher principles ultimately tied to the 10 commandments through the golden and silver rules (do unto others ect and love god above all . the silver rule fortifies the gold)

There are also some exceptions to this rule that interestingly deal with the natural order. Unlike shrimp, the OT and NT both speak against homosexuality. This may be directly due to its infertile nature which looking at the OT and its focus on survival, does place survival as a kind of 'lower' virtue. Lower because its important but less important than the higher virtues of fulfilling gods law in the way of christ.

Nonetheless natural evil cannot be true evil. Only human evil.

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>>126249841
I'm not saying there shouldn't be suffering, though.

What I'm saying is that if god didn't design the world to be free of unnecessary suffering, he is not all-good.

>>126250193
I'll pray for you.

>>126243539
>unwilling to stop evil means He is malevolent
>what is evil
>I expected a hugbox not war

What a faggot

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>>126243539
/thread

>>126250360
>Bicurus

Made me laugh

>>126249387
Resistance to god is a finite thing. God is infinite. Finite things are by nature part of a spectrum. Harder and softer. Beautiful and ugly. Imbalance in life and balance. Resistance to God and unification with him are different paths that enable evolution. The unfolding of the cosmos is a changing, a transformation. Therefore what resists, is bound to time, thus it is not infallible, not infinite, and so it is encapsulated in God.

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>>126249970
Theoretically everything can be part of natural order.

>>126249387
The problem with all this, trying to prove or disprove God via logic, is that it requires we understand what the goal or purpose of life is.

>>126250250
Thanks. You should probably pray for self reflection too.

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>>126250360
What about events caused by random chance?

Getting killed often isn't the fault of the victim and certainly does not allow for growth.

>>126249560
Nothing is unnecessary if the law of cause and effect is true. Everything is done out of necessity. A man who has lost himself to a dark power is still acting out of necessity, only it is the dark power which is doing the acting and not the man.

>>126250220
he did create the world like that, when we were walking along side with God
but we didn't pass the first test and got separated from God
and now we are here, at the end it says we will be like the begining tho

>>126243539
This has the writing style and prose of a somthing awful article circa 2003

>>126243539
The idea that there is no good or evil runs counter to religion. You basically just reinforced the argument that you were trying to refute.
If you try to prove the existence of God through logic and reason you will always lose.

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>>126250796
Brah, the garden of eve story is a metaphor for growing up. It's not literal.

>>126249592
God is good and therefore good has no opposite. What is "good" in our lives is that which models itself after the timelessness of God. What is "evil" is that which does not, but which is ultimately only a temporary resistance and thus illusory.

>>126243539
>Caring about this low energy argument

Epicurus himself believed in God. The evil problem doesn't prove that God doesn't exist

It's evil to justify the lack of evil.

Just saying.

>>126250674
RANDOM CHANCE IS PART OF LIFE FFS. YOU PREPARE FOR IT. LITERALLY NOT RELIGIOUSFAG HERE. THE ARGUMENT IS SIMPLY FALSE. SHIT HAPPENS, YOU GROW. TOO MUCH LIBERAL BS EXPECT EVERYTHING TO BE DONE FOR YOU. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING HERE.

DO HONESTLY BELIEVE WE'RE LIVING IN A CREATION. WHETHER DEITY OR SIMULATION/ALIENS, WHATEVER. THIS IS A CREATION 100% NOT A COINCIDENCE

>>126249856

See >>126249979

>>126249966
God is.

>>126250538
>Theoretically
Seems like you shying away from your own conclusions. Perhaps you realize where it leads. Perhaps you should read epicurus

>>126250674
These threads are always funny. It's always the same circular arguments about god being infinite and so on. It reminds me of the flat-earth threads where these guys go (literally) to the ends of the Earth to try to prove to you that the spherical model is a lie.
>hurr, God had to test mankind because free-will
No dummies, God created mankind and free-will because he's actually Satan and relishes our suffering.

>>126250985
maybe who knows

>>126250674
Events caused by random chance are not evil.

>>126251295
>Satan and relishes our suffering.
Suffering is a good thing. It makes you stronger.

In fact, a life of suffering is objectively better than a life without suffering

>>126250220
See >>126250761

ok Faggots, listen up.

Suffering is an illusion because that which suffers is illusion.
The ego is merely a constellation of sense impressions that give rise to the illusion of a fixed identity.
How can the infinite add to itself? By dividing itself and hiding its nature from itself. The Infinite buries itself in matter and slowly awakens to its own game, for the sake of love because there can be no love unless there is two. The pearls of consciousness that collect aeons of experience aggregate and point back at the indestructible core that maintains creation.

>>126250360
>a 6 month old is being raped and tortured day and night for days.

Hurrr cant stop free will. God works in masterious ways there will be lessons for all from this.

shut the fuck up, /thread.

>>126251295
Epicurus allows for this possibility.

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>>126250761
>>126250796

Both of your arguments would be perfectly valid if god wasn't omnipotent and omniscient.

It is possible to imagine an all-knowing being to create a world where men lost to any dark power could find a way back to the light without inflicting too much harm on others, mainly just suffering for themselves.

>but we didn't pass the first test and got separated from God
God knew exactly what is going to happen at every second of every single moment. Outcome of every single decision.

Did he design the test knowing we would fail?

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>>126251212
I said theoretically cause I don't know what belief system you're operating from. I believe all things are part of the natural order. (That is in a grander spiritual sense specifically.)

>>126251646
Mysterious. *

>>126250674
It allows others to learn from it.

>>126251653
I know. Was it Bertrand Russel who suggested that maybe "Satan made the world when God wasn't looking"?

>>126251295
>where these guys go (literally) to the ends of the Earth

The way this is said makes me think of a 15 year old chuckling at his own wit.

>>126251672
i think the test is for us, it's comes back to free will
God knows what we are going to do, but he allow us to make the desition

It's so obvious that most of you manchildren here are over 40. You all sound like you're going through a mid-life crisis where life has lost meaning, and now you're attempting to gain meaning through mythology. Grow the fuck up.

>>126243539
flawed human thinking he understands what good and evil are

>>126251633
Yes, said Socrates. (or was it Plato?)
Although you wouldn't want your life to be pure suffering. The good times are good relative to the bad times. etc.

>>126251640
Yes this is good summary.

>>126251946
yeah, ok Shakespeare

>>126243539
This is a complex troll.

But our idea of god actually insults what actually is. The universe is very real. But the reality around it is warped by your mind.

Therefore not an argument.

ok Faggots, listen up.

Suffering is an illusion because that which suffers is illusion.
The ego is merely a constellation of sense impressions that give rise to the illusion of a fixed identity.
How can the infinite add to itself? By dividing itself and hiding its nature from itself. The Infinite buries itself in matter and slowly awakens to its own game, for the sake of love because there can be no love unless there is two. The pearls of consciousness that collect aeons of experience aggregate and point back at the indestructible core that maintains creation.

>>126251672
Yes, he knew we would fail.

It doesn't mean the test wasn't fair.

>>126251672
>being to create a world where men lost to any dark power could find a way back to the light without inflicting too much harm on others, mainly just suffering for themselves.

>why couldn't God have just been a LITTLE nicer GEEZ

t. a 12 year old

>>126252217
suspicion confirmed

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>>126252019
You seem pretty mad man

>>126252319
Bit off with your terminology.

What you want is;
Chaos theory
Multiverse theory
String theory
Basic thermodynamics.

The universe is one big puzzle understanding itself.

>>126251633
This. joy and suffering are inexorably linked.

Not all suffering is the cause for growth but all suffering instructs. If it did not then simply put, it would not be suffering.

It would not be suffering if it did not create the yearning for its release which stimulates ambitions. Much of our world was created from survival and much of our diplomacy from the weariness of increasingly bloody war.

A world without suffering is one of pure innocence like a tribal savagery where there is no knowledge of pleasure/happiness enough to feel entitled to more than which the world provides.

As we feel suffering, even profound existential suffering, it is a sign of our yearning for that which transcends the natural order. The more we satisfy our physical urges, the deeper our existential angst and the more complex the yearning and therefore the more satisfying the answer.

You cannot have an answer without a question, a joy without a pain begging for relief.

Satan tempts us if anything to engage in actions which confuse the process of finding answers. No honest man would run from god if in the questioning of himself, felt the relief of finding answers that he brings.

This is why it is called the good news.

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>>126252433
OP, I have some bad news for you

>>126252612
I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it.

>>126243539
you are not nearly as smart as you think you are

take philosophy 101 and stfu

>>126252221
Very smart. Very intelligent.

>>126252319
I think you think you're being smart.

But you're not.

This thread is proof that there will never be peace and there will always be war.

>>126252785
Philosophy 101 is pretty garbage.

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>>126251558
>Events caused by random chance are not evil.
If a murderer randomly selects you on the street, it comes down to chance but is evil at the same time.

>>126251771
>God knows what we are going to do, but he allow us to make the desition
Let's imagine two instances of a woman being raped and killed.
1) God does not intervene
-Woman's free will is violated, suffers severe mental trauma
-Rapist burns in hell forever

2) God does intervene
-Woman is fine
-Rapists free will is violated
-Rapist gets put on a path where he realizes the horror of what he would have done
-Rapist goes to haven instead

Now you could say scenario 2) interferes with free will, but god has done a similar thing before.

Exodus 9:12
But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said to Moses.

>>126252336
I'm not saying god should be nicer. Just that he isn't all-good because of the things he is unwilling to prevent.

>>126252824
9°=2□ Magus of The Temple of the Black Sun reporting for Duty. Some have heard of the fruit, some have seen it. I've tasted, hahaha.

>>126252974
Life is war.

>>126253012
It doesn't come down to chance, it comes down to the will of the murderer. The fact that you were chosen isn't evil, the fact that the murderer CHOSE to murder you is.

>>126252687
>This. joy and suffering are inexorably linked.
No they aren't your tard.
You better be glad you're going to be dead before this is proven wrong the hard way.
If I rewire your brain to feel pleasure 24/7 and desire to continue in this state, what happens?
You can say now that you wouldn't feel joy in that state, but once in that state you would say you feel joy in that state.
Your problem is you think joy/suffer/emotions in general are objective and supplement each other when the truth is that they are mere chemicals in the brain and you should be very careful because it's possible for those chemicals to be manipulated even to the point of manipulating you into wanting to be a slave.

>>126252974
That's ok. War is part of the game. "AS BROTHERS, FIGHT YE!" etc..

>>126253206
"Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains.
Hear me, ye people of sighing!
The sorrows of pain and regret
Are left to the dead and the dying,
The folk that not know me as yet.
18. These are dead, these fellows; they feel not. We are not for the poor and sad: the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk.

19. Is a God to live in a dog? No! but the highest are of us. They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

20. Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of us.

21. We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.

22. I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.

23. I am alone: there is no God where I am."

>>126249979
nah If I run over some puerto ricans on the road its just that fag. not some deep psuedo science. Chad and Stacy do it all the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMTMHk_O9wQ

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I wont dispute the existence of your god. My question is why bother worshipping him? Somewhere in the world at this very moment a child is being raped and your god is doing nothing to stop it. He either doesn't care or isn't powerful enough to do anything. Either way, fuck him

>>126252759
Oh boy. And here I thought this thread couldn't get any cringier

Ok seriously. You guys going on about suffering.

The point of observation is disputed by anybodies reality because of that point. Cultures are built on it, because a bunch of people are alike and stabalize a society with traditions as an example. So suffering and evil are subjugated by a mass. If 100 people out of 110 say hot weather is nice but really the 10 people are right and hot weather is not nice, then the majority will still subsidize the truth by simply manipulating the narrative.

So therefore to dispute godliness over mundane points is very incessant and unnecessary.

>>126253427
what...you don't find Chris Farley funny? Is that not cool? Should i take myself more serious and not quote stupid comedies?

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>>126252974
Since this is /pol/...

>>126243835
My ancestors:)

>>126253414
There is no personal God. You have a core in you as do all aggregates of life. Together these atoms of god-consciousness make up the body of something ineffable and beyond all concepts of god.

>>126253012
You can't prove that anything is random when we're talking about God.

You are acting like your example number 2 never happens. You can't prove that it doesn't happen.

>>126253414
>somewhere in the world somebody is feeling pain
>aren't u sad? doesn't this make u sad?

Am I talking to a sorority girl?

>>126253414
You don't see things as God does.

>>126251646
>rapist has anything to do with god.

Without rape being vile we would never oppose it and so approach godliness in creating a society which god's infinite goodness is worthy.

If rape did not create suffering, would we be so versed against it?

You assume child rape is bad in some mystical way. It is only bad because it is 1) Violent 2) Theft 3) It corrupts innocence. All of which are sufferings. Our opposition and natural revulsion to it shows our goodness and "fulfillment" of the laws of god related to minors, rape and theft.

While suffering may not be bad, unnecessary suffering is evil and the only truly unnecessary suffering are those which humans create intentionally or unintentionally through engaging with activities called "sin"

Sin is vague, in a religious society it is dictated by the religion (created to guide us to a better living). In a secular society it is dictated by the humanists (usually employing science or other means). Sin refers to that which tramples on societies higher morals and is distinctly spiritual (morality and spirituality are related)-- These higher morals either inner or outer are put in place to reduce suffering (whether or not they actually work to this effect).

This is partly why lawyers are always involved in some moral philosophy or another.

>>126253754
So what happened to taking the butcher's word for it?

>>126253756
Chaos is random but articulated.

A kid being killed could stop ww3

How? Who knows. But the future isn't definite and the rules of a stable universe haven't been applied yet.

>>126253414
>Somewhere in the world at this very moment a child is being
That's just it anon, and it's what these arrogant, self-important sophists just can't get into their thick skulls. To wit, they can't comprehend that that their trifecta of shit that is judeo-christian religion is an enormous lie to oppress the masses with a cult of death that teaches they are all part of a game originated by a creator to test them beceause he loves them. Let that sink in.

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>>126253204
> The fact that you were chosen isn't evil, the fact that the murderer CHOSE to murder you is.

Depends.

Let's say that you know the exact time and place a person you love (your child) is going to get hit by a train.

You can tell them, but that will change what they do that day.

Would you?

What justification would you have to not do this, if you could, but on a much larger scale?

>>126253756
I can see many instances of it not happening, though.

>>126253012
why make a test for people if you are going to solve everyone's problem? i dont say God doesnt make miracles, but in general he makes them to touch lot of people in 1 swipe

>>126253206
>If I rewire your brain to feel pleasure 24/7 and desire to continue in this state, what happens?
Brain burns out and i am unable to feel pleasure forever. Hence joy and suffering are linked.

But to entertain your example realistically, let us say i lead a totally fulfilling life and continue to make perfectly good choices totally by luck. Yes this life will be with minimum suffering but it does not mean that the alternates to the choices that i made by luck would not have created suffering for me. So naturally, being truly good is both deeply fulfilling and tied to suffering.

If it were not, you would never know it.

I'm also angry at the people that use God like a carrot on a stick.

Fuck those people, too.

>>126243539
>The very beating of your heart is evidence of God's good will toward you

God will burn billions for the pleasure of hearing them scream.

3/10 troll harder newfag.

If god real he a sick fuck that watches gods playground twitch live stream 24/7 of peoples lives of getting raped, burned in cages, babys getting aborted 24/7 for gazillion years. Does that sound like some entity or thing you want to give praise and worship? Hell no.

>>126254115
>if one does not suffer then no one will
>in all rationality
>which is why in the bible jesus sacrifices himself. to show that even a perfect being can be disillusioned to believe that he must suffer in life to prosper.

>>126243539
God gave mankind free will to think for themselves.

True Good and True Evil do not exist without godly influence to decide what is Good and Evil.

Straying from the Golden Rule is evil, and because humans are imperfect they cannot possibly follow it entirely. A balance must be achieved.

Knowledge = Good
Ignorance = Neutral
Hypocrisy = Evil

*Feigning ignorance after knowing is also hypocrisy.

That being said, sociopaths are the closest thing to True Evil because they have malformed brains that prevent them from understanding empathy and merely mimic it through deception.

>>126254391
their own choice
right NOW they can accept Christ as saviour and follow him to not burn like that, but they wont

>>126254400
>not realizing the entirety of the universe
>believing nirvana is only tucked away to a select few on earth within nearly infinite timespace

You do understand the insignificant skde to your argument correct? That maybe humans aren't special and that the workings of chaos actually build due to the deconstruction of ideas.

A kid gets raped. A law is made to protect the kid and others. A mistake was necessary to understand the necessities in life.

>>126243539
Hey OP, are you still here or have you fled in shame? Because that's what you should have done by now.
OP, since you believe in this (((GOD))) of yours so much guess what?
I AM GOD.
And I instruct you to go cut your son's throat in sacrifice to me to show your faith in me. YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONIC DIM-WITTED PENIS-BREATH FAGGOT.

>>126254115
>I can see many instances of it not happening, though.

There is no way that you could know they were random. You can hypothetically imagine a woman being randomly raped. You don't know if it actually was random though, and you can't know.

>>126255075
>said the leaf

>>126243539
God is a scientist running a universe simulation we humans are no more significant to him than sand in a physics simulation is to us.

>>126255253
>said the fat-ass amerilard.
Shouldn't you be out fighting antifa or something
moran?

>>126255399
>moran

confirmed for 15 year old fedora tipper

>>126243539
Spoken by a person who doesn't know suffering.
So you think that (((god))) created suffering to "teach" us and that its all good because he's got a plan. If that's the case as one of the peons on the ground who has to actually suffer his plan, I say fuck that, fuck his love, and most certainly fuck him, its not worth paradise. This plan of his is written in our blood upon our flesh and tells a perverse tale of a lonely narcissistic man-child torturing his toys in a pathetic attempt to get them to love him, yet is too scared too even show his face. The idea of joining or being a part of that thing disgusts me.

>>126255058
sounds like to me you dont get out much. Life in the third world is really ugly. There is no laws.

>>126255681
maybe that's just what imperfect people failed at teaching.

>>126255681
Your misfortune is brought upon you by none but yourself.

>>126255681
man he did suffer, he did shed his blood in the cross to save us

>>126255681
I don't really think you've read the bible or understand the concept of free will
>>126255075
go back to middle school pls
>>126254652
At least you can talk. >God gave mankind free will to think for themselves.
It wasn't necessarily to think for themselves, that emphasis on freedom in thought is mostly a meme

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>>126254264
If I love you, know you to your deepest core and want to have a relationship with you, why would I test you in such a cruel way?

Why test people in ways that can result in infinite punishment because of a finite crime in the first place?

Wouldn't it be better to offer them a path to redemption? Sure, they might suffer along the way, but at least they would have a chance.

Also, just wondering, do you think faith (god) helps people to heal when they're sick?

>>126254508
People can still suffer, but without horrifying consequences.

There is certainly value in self-sacrifice. I just don't see why anybody would have to suffer eternally, especially for not believing in god.

It doesn't seem like something an infinitely good being would do. Alongside with designing a world that contains such terrible horrors.

>>126255186
There are billions and billions of small little decisions everyone randomly does that affects many other people which in turn make even more decisions; A LOT of things are random.

However, when speaking on this scale, randomness itself comes into question.

Say you had a perfect knowledge of the human mind and the environment. If you could simulate interactions of literally everyone, nothing would seem random to you anymore.

And if we are assuming there is an all-powerful creator, he would certainly be in the category of beings to which nothing is random.

And so, does god sometimes just play russian roulette? Why couldn't he just make a plan where random, meaningless deaths wouldn't occur?

>>126255681
I always prefer to respond to those that get it rather than to those that don't. Guys like OP just don't get it. They really truly do believe their bullshit.
I find these threads refreshing and I welcome them because in some sad way they're entertaining?
>inb4 tips fedora 15 years-old etc.

>>126256029
>God gave mankind free will to think for themselves.
and here you are doing precisely the opposite.

>>126243539
>watch me BTFO Epicurus: First, I will select an arbitrary and limited definition of 'evil' because it suits my purposes... Now I will use another limited definition for 'pain,' which I've just equated with evil. Evil now means "a signal within an organism meant to inspire action."

You really showed Epicurus a thing or two...

If people realized that the only suffering that needed to happen was by Jesus Christ than maybe there wouldn't be any evil.

>>126243539
Heres a theory for you:maybe god created the universe and scientific laws and watched everything grow and he cant interfere lest he we lose our purpose for living. If we knew there was a god conclusively,then 99% of the population would just cry to god about everything being his fault and the human race would essentially become whiny bitches begging for everything

>>126255994
Nope he sacrificed his own kid like a coward and used his blood instead.
>>126255812
tell that to all the dead babies
>>126256029
Oh I understand, I do exactly as he says and agree with him as I do it or I'm tortured for all of eternity. Its like he wants us to force him to genuinely love him. His followers all have major stockholm syndrome.

>>126256121
Billions and billions of decisions are no problem for God.

Again you're presuming anything happens randomly. "This random woman was raped." "this random kid died a meaningless death," "so how can there be God if these random things happen," how do you know they are random?

>>126256121
everyone test people one way or another
teachers in school test their students to know how are they doing with your study

God tell us the test he made, the concecuences and even the right answer, but people still do what they want

I can understand why some of you gave up, but don't drag us down with you.

>>126256762
whoops edit:
>Its like he wants to force us to genuinely love him.
typing on a wii u pad fucking sucks

>>126255812
Lets say you father is a devote christian and you were raised being family oriented and loving person. One day he decides to rape you and you decide to keep it hush hush. Your whole life till this moment has been a betrayel. Would you or everyone under these circumstances remain sane? Of course its all part of gods plan!

>>126249182
The abscence of life is not necessarily death

Faith isn't for the weak.

>>126257397
except its always has been for the low IQ and normies that haven't had to deal with any huge mind fuck stressor in their lives.

>>126256223
Hook line and sinker they follow what they think is gods plan, but is really just the ideas of fellow crazies. I like arguing with them cause its all pathos, not that I don't prefer logic, but its a nice break from the usual debates.

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>>126253754
Your dogma is no less valid than any other
>>126253816
Not somebody. You and me? We deserve suffering. But a child is innocent it has done nothing and your god is allowing it to suffer. Your god is not worth worshipping if it cannot even protect the genuienly innocent.
>>126253924
Correct. I have a sense of morality
>>126254103
A FUCKING LEAF

>>126257397
right, it's for the stupid

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>>126256555
>he cant interfere lest he we lose our purpose for living.
He does interfere many times in the Bible.

>If we knew there was a god conclusively
But god wants to be known by people in their personal relationship with him.

>9% of the population would just cry to god about everything being his fault
And he, akin to a parent, could guide them to achieve things on their own without giving them anything.

>>126256786
I am not assuming thing happen randomly. Read my answer to the end, please.

>>126256833
But what if god created me with a mind that is so skeptical I find the evidence for his existence insufficient?

Why do gods always share the values of cultures from which they came?

Why is there no difference between the god of the Bible and other gods that claim to be the 'one' when it comes to evidence?

Why would it be a problem for god to arrange a one-on-one personal meeting with everyone all at once, beyond time and space?

Wouldn't that motivate people better to follow him instead of the carrot of heaven in front and the stick of hell behind?

>>126257558
Maybe I won't pray for you.

>>126257658
You have all the answers.

You must be God!

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>>126257919
Why would you have to? Aren't you just imposing on God by asking him to change his divine plan?
dimwit

>>126257919
Please don't. Anyone faith in god can be broken. Give me the power of the likes freddy krueger and stephen kings to creep into peoples brains to fears and nightmares. I can destroy the resolve and bring untold terror in mind of anyone. Nobody would be left believing in god.

>>126257683
i dont know, Jesus made miracles in front of people and they said something like 'maybe it was just luck' and they kept living their life
some other people are too distracted to look up and see how God is talking to them

i believe God talks to everyone, one way or another, and everyone can be saved, but it's needs to be their own choice

>>126257558
hahaha yes because Christians haven't literally been fed to lions for not refusing their faith in antiquity.

Your dad raped you and he was allegedly Christian. Saying nothing more about this doesn't say enough to say why someone would abandon their faith. Was the father really a Christian at heart? And even if he was, there's just so many things there to consider. Your behavior, things your family did, etc. etc. Life is way more complex than "my dad says he's Christian and he raped me so I guess Christianity is bologna."

>>126258013
see
>>126255075

>>126243539
Epicurean riddle is bullshit. Evil is not unnecessary. It exists but there is no good without bad. And our imperfect nature demands that our existence creates evil.

>>126258277
I can't help you. I'm sorry for your loss.

Condolences.

>>126258313
Bye!

>>126257567
Grow up

>We deserve suffering.

I do not suffer.

>A child is innocent.

Wrong. It carries the mark of its father's sin. Life is responsible for itself, even the life of a child. It's weakness does not protect it.

>>126257683
The thing you said at the end was "why doesn't God make a plan where random meaningless deaths don't occur"

Assuming they are random and meaningless. This is beyond your ability to verify.

So basically god is Crom from Conan?

>>126245624
The tree of good of evil is for shadowing. There was no good and evil until mam partook of knowledge and now has to deal with it.

You are proving ops point evil is a creation of imperfect man.

>>126258724
>Child carries the sins of its father

No. Fuck off and die.

>>126258313
You could always just dig the faith out of their brain with a scalpel. Not as much finesse, but effective.

>>126258763
All sins were forgiven, past present and future on the cross though, so all are already saved technically.

ITT: I'm going to extrapolate learnings from spiritual people and claim that what I learn isn't spiritual.

>>126258763
Whoops wrong post
Was meant for >>126258724

>>126258994
The child was born out of the passion of it's mother and father. This is undeniable. Imperfect love creates an imperfect child.

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>>126258348
Jesus lived 2000 years ago. There is no way I can prove those happened.

Why are there no well documented miracles happening today, which might be more believable?
>i believe God talks to everyone, one way or another, and everyone can be saved, but it's needs to be their own choice
I read the whole new testament and most of the old.
I read books by atheists who in searching to disprove the existence of god started to believe.
I read 'He loves me' by Wayne Jacobsen.
I voluntarily used to go to a christian club for three years.
I had a lot christians pray for me and I tried prayer with them.

I have never ever seen a single shred of evidence of god's existence.

>>126258763
I meant random to us. As in, no evidence they would serve a good purpose. And why would such tragedies be needed for something good to happen anyway?

>>126258988
That's not what the bible implies.

There was good and evil, but the only being who could tell them apart was god.

>>126259232
But the child was created by God

>>126259348
The child is of born of flesh and as long as it remains flesh it is bound by the limits of flesh.

>>126257683
>But what if god created me with a mind that is so skeptical I find the evidence for his existence insufficient?

He wouldn't. If you rejected Him, that's on you.

>Why do gods always share the values of cultures from which they came?

He doesn't.

>Why is there no difference between the god of the Bible and other gods that claim to be the 'one' when it comes to evidence?

Also not true.

>Why would it be a problem for god to arrange a one-on-one personal meeting with everyone all at once, beyond time and space?

Why do anything at all? This is how He wills it.


>Wouldn't that motivate people better to follow him instead of the carrot of heaven in front and the stick of hell behind?

Claiming to know what He wants or intends for the world.

>>126243539

Love is good
Love is that which is of God
That which is of God is peace.
QED: Not Peace, Not God

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>>126243539
I see you've come down on the "It's morally good because God commanded it so" side of the Euthyphro dilemma.

I disagree, and want to remind you that God is a scared little bitch who lied about the tree of knowledge, and is afraid we will eat from the tree of life and become like him.

>>126243539
>>126256486

>>126259454
But it's soul was created by God,and not touched by sin, and it was even saved by Jesus on the cross

>>126259266
it's the same with what's happening now
everything in this world moves around Jews or Islam or Christianity

do you think that's a coincidence or luck?

>>126259678

Found a faggot who doesn't know his shit

>>126258277
God's divine plan won't change if he prayed for you. Your life might change, but God's divine plan is set to happen regardless.

>>126259866
Know history nig

>>126259232
>>126258724
Wow you are a merciless asshole

>>126243539
epicurus was not an atheist.
this meme is old, get with the times.

>>126259978
that's what im talking about

>>126259972

If you don't get prophecy, you will end in fire, (not you)

something something impunity...

something something ad hominem...

>>126259678

So the question that needs answering is whether the "child" is of the flesh or of the spirit.

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>>126246681
You realize Northern Europeans were nigger tier before Christ, right? Literally worshiping trees and living in mud huts.

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>>126259516
>If you rejected Him, that's on you.
Read >>126259266

>He doesn't.
Care to elaborate how he doesn't?

>Also not true.
Again, could you please provide any evidence?

>Why do anything at all?
To have a relationship with people, which is something god wants, according to the bible.

>Claiming to know what He wants or intends for the world.
Well, this gives you some idea.

Isaiah 40:31
but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

>>126243539
The implicit premises made explicit and refuted:

1st 2 lines are equivalent to:
>1. If God exists, He is omnipotent.
>2. It is impossible for an omnipotent being not to be able to do something.
In the definition of "omnipotence" is not included the ability to perform the logically absurd. It is possible evil is logically necessary (for example: if it were necessary for the existence of good).
The argument would have to show evil not to be logically necessary.
>3. A being unable to do something would not be God.

2nd 2 lines:
>4. If God exists, He is omnibenevolent.
>5. "Evil" cannot be good.
False equivocation; evil is not necessarily how "evil" is implicitly defined in the argument (for example: "Anything that causes pain or goes against muh fee fees is evil :(" is not necessarily a true proposition).
It depends on the definition of "evil," and if that definition is incompatible with good.
The argument would have to show why its definition of "evil" cannot be good.
>6. It is impossible to be omnibenevolent and malevolent.
>7. If God exists, He is not malevolent.
>8. A being not willing to prevent evil would be malevolent.
Assumes there is no possible case in which allowing evil is not evil (for example: to make possible the existence of good).
The argument would have to show there is no such possible case (which would be kettle logic if one cannot "prove a negative").
>9. A being not willing to prevent evil would not be God.

3rd 2 lines:
>10. If God were to exist, He would be willing and able to prevent evil. (from 3 and 9)
>11. If God were willing and able to prevent evil, evil would not exist.
>12. There is evil.
"Evil" is never defined. If evil just means "consciously causing suffering or harm," then premise 5 begs the question, and thus the conclusion to this syllogism does not follow.
Whatever "evil" means, the argument has to show it to exist, and to be incompatible with omnibenevolence.
>13. God doesn't exist

The last 2 lines are irrelevant.

>>126243539
That an incredibly dumb post, even for a god-nigger. Full of regarded straw men.
Literally no atheist could believe pain is because of god's malevolence. We don't believe in god.
It's religious people who want to live forever, that's the whole point in it.
And you just love to suck on your "father's" tit. Again the whole point of religion is that you're looked after by your father figure.
Fucking pathetic desu!

>>126260164

Muslims are Satan, Jews are based on the word of the Philistines, who went against Moses so yes it's very clear.

>>126260070
Your mother and father created you. You had no choice in this. You are alive because of them. This does not absolve you of conflict of life. No child is so innocent that it doesn't "deserve" what happens to it, just like every flower stamped on by an animal is not a horrible evil tragedy, it is part of life. Everything born of flesh must die, because every man is guilty due to his flesh. Being reborn is the only path to immortality.

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>>126252019

Nobodies forcing you to have faith.

Jesus Christ some of you people just can't stand to be wrong.

>>126260427

You cherry pick and know nothing of biblical covenant or prophecy

>>126260656
Are you the one who had the video of God proof? I'm on mobile plz share directly

>>126244220
>>126244220
Underrated metapost

>>126260465
The post is just saying evil doesn't exist because it's definitions are arbitrarily based on your fee fees. It can't be a strawman because you haven't provided an argument to begin with. The burden of proof is on you to show evil exists.

>>126243539
oh shit when did I stumble into /x/

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>>126259348
God did it once by cucking Joseph, in no other circumstance God involves in a creation of a child.
Did you even read the Bible bro

I have seen evil that would make most of you shit your pants. God saved me

God is just a word.

Welcome to hell.

>>126260683
"Cherry picking" implies there are bad cherries - contradictory points left out. What are they? Do you even understand that my post is a refutation of OP's pic related, retard?

>>126261112
God IS THE WORD

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>>126261075
yes little baby, hold your pictures to your chest. don't want logic and "evil" getting in the way of your ignoranc

>>126261226
Nah man. It's revelations time.

We can't save them.

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>>126260883
I dont have it m8. I'm just a peasant tending to my meme

>>126261152
Op is retard, but you are too

>>126261320

We must try. To not do so is unholy

>>126243539
Perhaps you should not open threads that require real studying .

>>126252019
Is this what my dad meant by "Faggot kids think they automatically know everything"? That you think you're wise because of the year you were born, and that God doesn't exist because you have a smartphone and we went to space n shieeeeeeeet, is laughable.
>>126261389
>I don't understand therefore you or I are stupid. It's definitely not me therefore you are stupid.
You make christfags look bad. Fuck off, idiot.

>>126261511
There are churches EVERYWHERE.

It is not our job anymore.

>>126261360
Put that meme above your door and if you're lucky god will pass over your pathetic life

>>126261588
Most churches are Antichrist

>>126261588
Your churches are being converted into mosques.
Thanks for ruining the white-race with your 'turn the other cheek' garbage.
KYS

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>>126261688
>triggered

>>126261793
That's too bad.

I don't care if I'm a stupid, low IQ normie.

If I burn in hell because I failed to convert people who don't want to be converted, than that is my fate.

>>126261811
Bye!

>>126261887
Nice coal burner. Not an argument.

>>126243539
tries to solve 'God doesnt exist is a bad argument' once and for all uses bad arguments to promote atheism .

Get them the hell outta here .

SAGE

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>>126262009
that is a nice development. I like my girl BLACKED

>>126261931
That's not how it works jackass, read Mark. God doesn't force you to convert others but true believers find it a moral imperative.

>>126262200
Not my problem.

>>126262196
See? Even bridge trolls love welfare pussy

>>126262257
Yet

>>126262397
Nope!

Have fun though!

>>126262465
I love you too.

>>126262606
Your words are absolutely meaningless to me.

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>>126261793
This

>>126260542
Then life sucks and the one who made it so needs to die and not the resurrection jesus death either. He needs to watch everything he built burn in hellfire as his light is devoured by darkness. The flesh of god should share the fate of the flesh of man, for noone, even god child of the abyss, is innocent.

>>126262659
I still love you.
God bless you and all you love my friend.

>>126262798
Terrific! If you want to adopt all that responsibility.

Be my guest.

It's a scary world out there and you just claimed it.

>>126262920
By existing we all claim it. Will you make it better?

>>126263093
I'm not God.

Good luck!

>>126248339
Honestly the only religions that make sense with a god that is worthy of worship are gnostic religions where the devil is equal in power to god. God wants us all to live happy lives but unlike with Christianity the devil or whatever the various gnostic religions call him is equal in power to god meaning he lacks the ability to simply make the world perfect or destroy the devil.

>>126263178
Well I'm a veteran, but I'm trying to make love and God work. I was a medic, so tell me. What are you doing?

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>>126263178
>>126262920
>>126262659
who hurts you fwiend

>>126263375
Nothing. I'm doing nothing. You are indeed holier than me.

>>126263387
Whatever makes you happy!

>>126263513

The man who is jealous is that whose enemy is thyself.

>>126263513
you seem upset that in the face of evil people on this board are being flippant about it. We just shitposting here. You will find peace in life mate

>>126263776
I'm so jealous its ridiculous.

You should write a book.

I would totally read it.

>>126243539
>How would life survive as is without fear, anxiety, guilt, and so forth?
That's the point. Why does life require suffering? Does that sound like the signature of an omnipotent and benevolent creator and intervener?

>>126263836
Thanks man. I really appreciate those words especially during trying times like these.

>>126263843
I am not a great person
I am trying to help.
I will continue because others are more important than me.
Learn to love

>>126264045
You should also run for office.

I would totally vote for you.

>>126250360
Learning about pain and suffering is only necessary because suffering exists.

>>126243539
We have free will. God does not interfere because he allows us to choose our own fate, otherwise we are slaves.

>>126263843
You are angry
It's okay
We will love you if
You stop taking it out on others

>>126264258
Guilty as charged!

I should be imprisoned.

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>>126245382
You're a degenerate rebellious sinner and you deserve to be burned alive. There I fucking said it and you should thank God almighty that he's offering you a free pass. So you better take it or take a HIKE PLEBBIT.

>>126246681
only a meme. Look into the middle ages desu. Like the Eastern Roman Empire, more Christian than the west during the early dark ages, they had plumbing, libraries, white people ect. Rome had a bit of a hang up with the barbarians and the arabs enforced the poverty by restricting trade. You need to look into these things more before posting such utter bullshit.

Christianity is for cucks

>>126243539
if every single stand point is not real, then why do we even have concepts in the first place?

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>>126243539
What use is free will and faith if God made each and every life free from hardship and evil? The world they want where pain, suffering, and evil are non existent sounds an awful lot like heaven.

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>>126248758
Oy vey, what an edgey post

This is how the separation of church and state begins.

>>126262791
>isn't