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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA TED CRUZ ON SUICIDE WATCH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sC1dOiCSp0

#YetShePersisted #YesSheCan
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>>124734441

>bitch got fired cause she cant do her job

HAHAHAHAHA

>history will remember her as the AG that Trump fired
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>>124734567
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>>124734441

The only way you could think that was a "lesson" is if you were ignorant of the law. Cruz is correct, Sally Yates is not.

sage for weak bait
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>>124734441
>slicedroastbeef.jpg
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Cruz BTFO!

Ted's a mess!
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Sally Yates is not Attorney General. She is not on the Supreme Court. She will not be governor of Georgia. These are all things she thinks she is or will be. Come November 2018, when she gets creamed in the Georgia gubernatorial election, her political career will effectively be over. She'll get a job at an NGO paid by Soros or some other limousine liberal but never have power again. By the 2020 election, the sound of her name will be a bit familiar to political wonks but most won't even remember why.
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>>124734441
>i am not familiar with that statue
>*cruz reads it*
>i am familiar with that statue
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Yates got fucking demolished that entire hearing.
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>>124735585
what the fuck are you
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>the guardian

Like England's Huffington post
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>>124735585
yeah they still play the title game but anyone with common sense and five minutes can listen and understand cruz schooled her. the issue is at this point they know as long as they don't lose their composure and make a combative face they can spin the headline and people will eat it up. these hearings produce nothing but a few minutes of soundbytes.
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>>124734441
She should be flogged on the streets
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>>124734780

better a leaf than a liberal cuck
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>>124735585
why is it an Andorran flag?
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>>124734567
funny, that's a pretty good way to be remembered compared to a PM who didn't live up to their promise...s. All of them.
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>>124735992
yea, hiro never fixed that bug
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>>124735585
>Unknown
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>>124736028

all politicians lie

this bitch is an AG who cant follow the law. thats her JOB.
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>>124736225
how so?

she questioned the constitutionality of the fucking executive order and helped get it overturned, sounds like she's doing her job.
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>>124734441

No joke, Cruz got blown out so hard that he pulled the ejector seat and flew out of that hearing. Transcript for posterity:

>Yates: [...] They importantly do not look outside the face of the document, and in this particular instance, particularly where we were talking about a fundamental issue of religious freedom — not the interpretation of some arcane statute, but religious freedom — it was appropriate for us to look at the intent behind the president’s actions. And the intent is laid out in his statements.

>Cruz: [cuts her off] Final, very brief question. In the over 200 years of the Department of Justice history, are you aware of any instance in which the Department of Justice has formally approved the legality of the policy and three days later, the AG has directed the department not to follow that policy and to defy that policy?

>Yates: I'm not, but I'm also not aware of a situation where the Office of Legal Counsel was advised to not tell the Attorney General about it until after it was over.

>Cruz: Thank you Ms. Yates. I .. I would note that it might be the case if there's reason to suspect partisanship.

>*audible gasps heard*
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>>124735649
some ip ranges reserved for exclusive use by goverments, includes the White House.
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This is weak bait, man.
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>>124736544
In English, doc.
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>>124736402

THE LAW CLEARLY STATES THE PRESIDENT CAN DENY ENTRY TO IMMIGRANTS OR ILLEGALS

there is 0 room for interpretation
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this was all over twitter, with more tweets than these leftist hit jobs normally get...
That being said, Cruz was right and there's no such thing as a muslim ban. Some faggot lefty senator said it too. Idk how these professional government representatives are allowed to be wrong like that.
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>>124736402

I don't think you know what her job was. She had two chocies

1) Do her fucking job
2) Resign in protest

Instead she chose to sit on her fucking thumb and gum up the works to stop anybody else from doing her fucking job, which forces her firing. Very selfish. She isn't a fucking judge. She doesn't get to decide this shit. And the absolute madness of her stated position, that laws don't mean what they mean if somebody says something she doesn't like some other time on the campaign trail but isn't in the fucking law is insane. Absolutely insane. You can't have laws with un-logic like that, it all becomes meaningless.
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>>124734441
Ted Cruz was right, though.Like this anon has stated >>124734785
Cruz might be a shitty senator, but he knows his shit when it comes to law. Rewatching that exchange just makes it more shocking to me that someone so ignorant of the law can work at the DOJ as long as she did.
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>>124736402
She didn't cite any constitutional provision that related to the actual words of the order, she rejected it basically on "intent to ban muslims and thats against religious freedom" even tho 1. the ban doesn't target 'muslims' just a handful of majority muslim countries, and 2. the constitution doesn't really apply to people who are not US citizens.
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>>124734441
YAAAAAAAAASSSSSS #ONWARDTOGETHER #RESIST
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>>124734441
Umm no owning there. Ted sick?
Yates is female jim.comey

Cunt
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>>124736402
>>124736544

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part II › § 1182
8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

Obama did it in 2011 with Iraqi refugees for six months. Trump's travel ban includes countries handpicked by the previous administration aka King Niggers.

Kill yourself.
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>>124737099
This.

>>124736402 is a moron.
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>>124734441
Is Ted Cruz just dumb?

He seems to overreach and then get BTFO a lot during these hearings.
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>>124737177
but but....muh feels! we can't ban immigration from countries that do not have a functionable government and are known to be hotbeds for terrorism. :( it's not nice anon
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>>124734441
Who appointed you to the Supreme Court?
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>>124736402

>overturned

It hasn't been overturned you cock holster.
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>>124737927
Perhaps the single best line of that whole thing.
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>>124738087
?
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NEETs and their NEEToid ideology utterly demolished by iron willed, principled Democrat Sally Yates.

How will pol ever recover?
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>>124735504
Cruz: Have you heard of law XX29$B52-q95.Fah-Q?
Yates: Uh....
Cruz: Incompletely describes law
Yates: Yeah, and let me school your rat-ass on the other half of it.
Cruz: *scurries away*
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>>124736402

The problem with leftists is that they intentionally ignore context to prove point. You KNOW yourself that only 8 out of 50 Muslim majority countries were banned in accordance to Obama's DHS criteria, so why do you people insist on parroting her bullshit?

You're educated, you all SHOULD know better. If NEETs can get it, then why can't you?
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>>124737151

The Department of Justice is not beyond reproach. I know most people would think so (maybe not here, since we're all on a spectrum of jaded assholes), or would at least hope that it is fair and impartial, but sadly it is not. Especially the Civil Rights division. It's staffed full of people who are there not to pursue justice, but to achieve political objectives and social justice. It's been caught in a tug of war for decades, and the chances of there being anybody with the wherewithal the clean it out is pretty slim.
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>>124735585
I don't have one for you. Have a Jeb!
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>>124738218
Did you not watch?
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>>124738303
Cruz missle misses the mark... as usual.

2016 pol was MAGA
2017 we Democrat senpai.
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>>124734441
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>>124738385
No, is it any good?
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he is going to go home and find his wife in bed with someone else, because no woman wants to be a with a man who gets owned by another woman.
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>>124738087
>>124737927
Kennedy: Have you every leaked classified or unclassified information.
Clapper: Um... uh.... unclassified isn't leaking.

Lmao, as did the entire chamber.
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Since when in your stint as AG did you become a Supreme Court Justice
TopKek
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>>124737886
>muh feels!
the law has been completely destroyed by legal realism. just another American institution that has been infested by these radicals
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>>124738502
If you like watching smug assholes that think they don't have to answer for their actions squirm and flounder, hell yes.
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>>124734441
If any of you want to live in a third world country full of brown people, you're more than welcome to move to one of the many countries in the world that fit that criteria.
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I fucking absolutely hate niggers
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>>124734441
Haha these Share Blue faggots are really trying to take over pol. How desperate.
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>>124737099

she did her fucking job to the letter of the law and got fired for it.

in the past 200 years, a president never went against the advisement of an AG. of fucking course, the republicans decided ethics and constitutional law (something an AG is an expert on) didn't matter anymore.

all this grandstanding by the republican investigators only amounted to covering their own asses and trying to fish out the leaker. so much so, they armed themselves with "feel fuel" and just attacked her character. she BTFO of them with cold hard facts, logic, and even their own words. even the room laughed at how hypocritical the republicans were being. "unclassified is not leaks - clapper". they were exposed so much so, the salty republicans decided to leave the room instead of continuing to rail on her. When they ran out of "traps" they just repeated their own questions (when is something not constitutional... why does it matter if a colleague lies to another colleague... why did you decide to go against the administration (she didn't... she simply told them things they didn't want to hear

meanwhile, the democrats actually asked questions relevant to the fucking reason she's in here in the first place (russian interference) and the handling of the proceeding couldn't have been any more courteous.
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>>124739024
Get out nigger faggot
Reddit is that way
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>>124739024

Nah, you guys are just asshurt because you're finally being punished for breaking the rules. The right is done feeling sorry for dishonest garbage like you.
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>>124739024

TRUMP IS A FUCKING FAILURE NO AMOUNT OF T_D SPAM WILL CHANGE THAT.
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>>124738367
>It's staffed full of people who are there not to pursue justice, but to achieve political objectives and social justice
that's what they're taught to do at ivy league law schools. we really need to purge these institutions
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>its like your criminal defense lawyer, instead of advocating to the best of their ability for the case and doing their ethical duty decides to do it half-ass or not at all because they disagree with what you allegedly did
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>>124734785
Yeah but she totally pwnd him though.
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>>124738303
>states the entire law
>"well there's this other law that makes that law illegal even though no one ever actually removed that law
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>>124739024
Enough roleplaying as a Huffpo contributor.
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>>124738339

They're playing a game, it's all theater
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>>124739024

work on your art jozu
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>>124734441
>foreigners have 1st amendment rights
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>>124739024
>meanwhile, the democrats actually asked questions relevant to the fucking reason she's in here in the first place (russian interference) and the handling of the proceeding couldn't have been any more courteous.

This hearing was about the leak of unmasked classified details to the media not the Russian connection that was again, never proven per Clapper.
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>>124739024

>ignore law as AG

>doing job

yeah no, fuck you.
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Except Sally Yates is wrong and US Code explicitly gives the president the power to ban immigration from any class of immigrants or all immigrants for whatever reason he deems necessary. Not only is this in US Code but numerous precedent exists of it being used and the court's upholding it. But progressives don't believe in rule of law, they believe in rule by their arbitrary feelings. Congress should have used their authority to disband the 9th circuit and reform it.
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>>124738303
wtf i hate cruz now

i was a #cruzmissile but not anymore we can't let him get his hands on the supreme court laws
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>>124734567
She actually did her job of defending the Constitution. She got fired for it because Trump doesn't like women telling him how to do his job.
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>>124735585
ITS BIZARRO FRANCE
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>>124736544
Religious freedoms doesn't apply to people in other countries, and the order did not target religion anyway (Christians or Jews or atheists from those countries would be barred entry as well).
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>>124735585
this desu including in this clip
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>>124739760
To Ted's credit, Kennedy managed to come up with something even more retarded to say.
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>>124739838

no, you're wrong

the president has the right to refuse entry to immigrants or illegals

WHY DOES THE CONSTITUTION APPLY TO NON CITIZENS

you dumb fuck
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>>124737099
>And the absolute madness of her stated position, that laws don't mean what they mean if somebody says something she doesn't like some other time on the campaign trail but isn't in the fucking law is insane. Absolutely insane. You can't have laws with un-logic like that, it all becomes meaningless.
That's what happens when you allow women in government.
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>>124739738

EO is not a law.
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>>124739580

The worst part isn't that they know that they're lying, it's that they still have the audacity to act violent towards Trump supporters OVER BLATANT LIES. I'm sick of having patience for them.
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>>124740035
>A leaf not even watching the video
And you're not allowed to discriminate against specific religious groups. Which the Muslim ban did


>B-b-b-b-but it's not a Muslim ban!
Tell that to Donald.
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>>124736402
>she questioned the constitutionality of the fucking executive order and helped get it overturned
Except the executive order is line with US Code which the courts have already upheld. Her attempt to overturn the executive order was not based on any reading of the law but entirely on her ideological bent. She wasn't doing her job, she was carrying water for her backers and ideological fellow travellers, therefore was rightfully removed and should be censured as well.
She is only one more piece of evidence that women have no place in politics.
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>>124740043
>>124737099
It's insane to take a person's words into context when determining the intention of a law by said person?
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>>124734441
Nice to see Lying Ted BTFO. She did good even if you disagree with her.
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>>124734441
Was it Cruz who asked her "When did you become a Supreme Court Justice?"
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>>124740272
>And you're not allowed to discriminate against specific religious groups.
False

>Which the Muslim ban did
Also false
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>>124736544
Noncitizens have no constitutional guarantee of religious freedom, noncitizens have no constitutional protections whatsoever.
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>>124740376
No, it was Kennedy from Louisiana leaked that unclassified information.
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>>124740384
True, read the law.

And true. Unless you're going to call Donald Trump a liar.
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>>124740272

8 out of 50 muslim majority countries were banned in accordance to Obama's DHS criteria, therefore you can conclude that it's not a muslim ban. You're either a bad liar or a dense idiot, and I'm really hoping that it's the former.
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>mildly attractive white woman
>given a cushy government job
>qualified

pick one. Her entire life has been on easy mode. Anyone who says she "won" not only is wrong but they don't even believe it.
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>>124740446
Non-citizens outside of the country. Non-citizen within the country have certain rights. But those outside are not recognized by this.
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>>124734441
I watched it and was waiting for her to BTFO him.

She didn't.
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>>124740288
yes, if you believe in the American legal system and the US consitution. no, if you have a jewish moral compass.
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>>124740578
>True
No, false. Constitutional protections do not extend to foreigners dumbass.
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>>124735504
This. That was very telling. This woman is incredibly full of shit. Watch for her to run for president in the next couple of cycles.
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Shareblue thread.

You know what to do people.
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>>124740035

it doesn't. immigration to the US as a muslim is difficult already. it wouldn't have made much a difference. simply a xenophobic move by the president to look tough on muslims.

maybe if we were germany i'd agree with you.

the president has the right to refuse, until he doesn't, since he was overturned pretty quickly. yates got fired and nothing of actual value (positive or negative) concerning immigration actually developed.
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>>124740446
jewish SCOTUS said illegals have a right to public education. law schools were subverted 50 years just like every other western academic institution.
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>>124740272

IT IS NOT A MUSLIM BAN

obama did the same fucking thing, what is precedent?
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>>124735914
Not all countries beat women in the streets shitskin
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She, incorrectly, asserts unconstitutionality..

She also yields to the fact that she is not vested with the authority to make rulings on what is constitutional and what is not.
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>>124738287
>iron willed, principled Democrat Sally Yates.

You forgot to mention "fired".
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>>124740776

>tfw Jeb! got the first high five of his life from the President

he was probably so happy that day.
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>>124734441
The Guardian is fake news. I have personal experience when they called to ask for help with a story.
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>>124734441
>>124735585
Dems in general were fucked. Nothing new. I think it was Cavuto who said someone is going to have to ask to declassify info if they want to prove anything.
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>>124741092
wtf. i hate the guardian now
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>>124738287
>How will pol ever recover?

Handsomely.
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>>124740288

Yes.

If the same exact direction was issued by any other human being on the planet Earth, would it be any more or less valid? If the law is the law, it does not matter who issues an order. what matters is the order.

This was argued today in court, and the anti-travel ban side was embarrassed because they ceded the point that if a (say it with me) Madam President had issued the exact same order, would it be wrong? The answer, of course, is no.

The complications of it being any other way would be so absurd and far reaching that I can't even predict the effects that it would have on the legal system if something this stupid became precedent.
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>people think Trump "banned" Muslims
>he just wanted to restrict travel from certain ME countries

Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
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>>124734785

How does the US Constitution apply to foreign citizens? I still don't understand why the left thinks it does.
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>>124735504
Just cause she didn't know the specific name of the statute doesn't mean she doesn't understand that statue in its entirety.
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>>124736544
You're an idiot.
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>>124741334

Because the media called it that, and kept calling it that even though it very clearly isn't. Because the media peddles fake news
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>>124736544
>>Cruz: Thank you Ms. Yates. I .. I would note that it might be the case if there's reason to suspect partisanship.
>>*audible gasps heard*
The person who got BTFO'd was Yates lol
I can tell you're a woman because the facts of the argument don't matter, what matters is your poorly informed emotional interpretation of it.
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>>124740288
Any rhetoric outside of the letter of the law is not context for said law.
What in the fuck country do you actually live in? What you're suggesting is anti-American. That line of logic leads to one place, TREASON.

You should be hanged now, save us some time and misery.
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>>124736544
based cruz

btfo that political hack roastie

gets a temp job and immediately grandstands
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She got fairly BTFO. She sets herself as the arbiter of what is and isn't constitutional (the bit about her confirmation hearing, swearing to not do things that are unconstitutional), but 1) the Supreme Court decides that, not her, 2) her job is not to determine the constitutionality of things but to advocate for the president's policies, taken together with the presumption that the president is afforded great sway when dealing with immigration issues, and 3) STRANGELY, she never had a problem with her department's unethical and unconstitutional actions in front of a federal judge in texas in 2015:

"Apparently, lawyers, somewhere in the halls of the Justice Department whose identities are unknown to this Court, decided unilaterally that the conduct of the DHS in granting three-year DACA renewals . . . was immaterial and irrelevant to this lawsuit and that the DOJ could therefore just ignore it. Then, for whatever reason, the Justice Department trial lawyers appearing in this Court chose not to tell the truth about this DHS activity. The first decision was certainly unsupportable, but the subsequent decision to hide it from the Court was unethical."

Sally Yates was clearly a supporter and advocate for this justice department, but suddenly developed a keen constitutional and ethical compass after trump took office. Odd case!
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>>124741285
What do you think about gerrymandering? On the face of it, it is legal. However district lines are clearly drawn based on special interests in a way that can misrepresent or outright disenfranchise voters. Is it acceptable to evaluate the legality of a district map without taking into consideration the intent of the drafters and the impact on the people? I do not think so. Nor do I think laws should be interpreted in a vacuum, because they ultimately apply to people, not abstract concepts.

Trump and senators before him entrusted her with carrying out her duty, even if she had to act against the orders of the president, if in her best judgment (and the judgment of people she consulted with before her decision, and the judgment of several courts since) she felt that the law was unconstitutional so she would not enforce it, that was her prerogative. Of course that doesn't mean the EO was unconstitutional, only the Supreme Court can rule on such matters, but she does reserve the right to not enforce laws she feels are against existing law or the constitution, which she did. It was also Trump's prerogative to fire her when she refused, however a man who only surrounds himself with sycophants is not a leader in any meaningful capacity.

This all shirks the issue that was really at the heart of today's hearing: Russian Interference with US Elections. That's clearly what both Yates and Clapper were there to discuss today, to inform and educate the American people. In Clapper's words, the rest is "ancillary".
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>>124739024
Nope, she ignored the law and substituted her own feelings and ideological leanings. US Code explicitly states the President can disallow any class of immigrants that he sees fit to disallow, and Yates is not a diviner or soothsayer so her proclamations as to Trump's intention are pure baseless speculation.
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>>124742696
>Trump wanting to actually enact his EO and not accept Obama's leftover obstruction is something that makes him not a leader
>Still believes the "muh Russia" bullshit
Reddit was a mistake.
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>>124739838
Repeating it over and over doesn't make it so. You cannot argue logically how she was defending the Constitution or how POTUS's use of a straightforward section of US Code was unconstitutional or in contravention to precedent, you just repeat what you believe to be so. You're an emotional child, aka a woman.
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>>124740272
>And you're not allowed to discriminate against specific religious groups.
Actually you can if you're the President using this section of US Code to block a class of immigrants you deem a threat to national interests. Numerous court precedents backs this up. Thanks for playing!
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>>124734441
she could have given any possible answer and these leftwing sources would still be howling and throwing around words like "owns" or "humiliates" that look exciting as part of a substanceless clickbait online headline.
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>not allowed to ban Muslims
>not allowed to ban brown people
>not allowed to ban the third world

Might as well sign our death certificates now. We have to pretend like we're not trying to do what we'really actually trying to do. I don't want anymore of the third world here. Neither do any of you. Why are we pretending it's about "muh law"? The Dems are right here. We want a Muslim ban, and that's discriminatory, but I don't think it's a bad thing for us. It's bad for them because they have to stay in their shitholes, but I don't give a fuck about them.
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>>124740635
>Non-citizens outside of the country. Non-citizen within the country have certain rights.
Only if the have some type of recognized status, like a guest or residency visa.
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>>124742696
The debate around gerrymandering has nothing to do with the intent or presumed intent of legislatures. Where do you guys get your revisionism from? The debate against gerrymandering is qui bono, exclusively. The intent is irrelevant, and only legal plebs bring that in. The only real argument is the assertion that the lines should be moved to create more competition within each district.

The debate is not regarding whether one party or the other INTENDED to gain an advantage by redrawing the district, ONLY WHETHER one party or the other actually DOES gain an unfair advantage.
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Every Republican senator save for Sasse and a few comments by Graham had lines of inquiry that were a waste of time.

Unmasking, leaks, travel bans. All of that was not why people were listening, nor why the people giving their testimony were there. It is a red herring in an attempt to distract the public from the intense scrutiny the Trump administration and by proxy and action Republicans have found themselves under.

If you watch(ed) the hearing, this was absolutely clear. Clapper and Yates along with the senators asking about such nontopics the cadence of the hearing was stilted and awkward. As soon as talk turned towards Russian, testimony flowed much more naturally.
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>>124740875
You're not making coherent arguments, you're just stating what you want to believe is the case.
>it doesn't. immigration to the US as a muslim is difficult already. it wouldn't have made much a difference.
This is a completely baseless claim, prove that it would make no appreciable difference.
>simply a xenophobic move by the president to look tough on muslims.
It's awesome how you have the oracular power to divine the intent of others with perfect certainty, totally not something women do.
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>>124741334
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
From the lügenpresse. Not that he couldn't have issued a ban targeting all Muslim countries, he can and should do that.
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>>124734441
>Arcane
I thought liberals just decided on a new propaganda buzzword but they're dumb enough that to them everything is arcane.
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>who appointed you to the supreme court?
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>>124744310
Also:
>this new law trumps the old law
Does this bitch think we're living in a parliament?
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>>124742696
This is a completely irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with the issue of law at question.
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>>124741334
From his own mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo_nYQ6ItWM
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>>124741345
Well, if they're in the US I'm sure they're protected if they give a public speech about Holocaust denial.

Just like Americans aren't protected by US laws in another country.
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>>124736544

>religious freedom

That EO doesn't ban all Muslims, you fucking shithead.
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>>124744541
Already addresses numerous times itt. Sad attempt
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>>124742696
>Nor do I think laws should be interpreted in a vacuum
Of course, if we stuck to the matter of law, the left has no room to inject a load of irrelevant emotional obfuscations to appeal to their base of low-information, low-IQ, easily riled up zombies.
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>>124739462
this is the thing I'm confused on. If that law basically nullifies the other law, how do you proceed?
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>>124740446
>>124740635
>>124743452
So what if a German tourist comes to the US and publicly denies the Holocaust? Germany won't have US police arrest him.

If an American visits Germany and denies the Holocaust he won't have protected speech or bailed out by the US.
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>>124740272
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't bait; most Americans are fucking retarded when it comes to politics, or really anything for that matter.
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So Yates didn't support the ban and got fired. Big deal. What's keeping the ban from being applied now?

Whether she was wrong or right about the EO is irrelevant now.

The big story today was that the White House story of events was torn to shreds, Flynn is fucked, and perhaps several other Trump associates too. Pence may be implicated too, although it is impossible to say that for certain at this time.

This, along with the refusal to provide information from the White House to the Senate ultimately resulting in supeonas, will ultimately be the trigger that gets Trump associates, maybe the VP, and maybe even the man himself, to have to take the oath and sit on the hot seat before the Senate, or even possibly a Grand Jury. Today had a lot of "I can't answer that"s, but it was an important step for something bigger to come. It's just hard to tell how much bigger it will be.
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>>124744460
that's how the Koran works.
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>>124745019
>So what if a German tourist comes to the US and publicly denies the Holocaust? Germany won't have US police arrest him.
Yeah, but when he gets back to Germany he'll probably be in trouble.
>If an American visits Germany and denies the Holocaust he won't have protected speech or bailed out by the US.
He'd just be deported desu
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>>124745055
>Flynn is fucked

he's already fired retard

>muh russia conspiracy

no that's even dumber
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>>124734441
Common law is so shite
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>>124745038
US Code explicitly state the President can disallow immigration from any class of noncitizens, ANY CLASS. Non-citizens with no status have absolutely zero religious or other constitutional protections.
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>>124736544
>lol who cares what the law actually "says" I'm just alleging it violates some broad, general moral principal that applies to non citizen/non resident aliens for some reason, therefore its illegal

>this might be partisan

>WTF CRUZ BTFO LAWS BTFO

democrat legal scholars
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>>124744767
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo_nYQ6ItWM
>Donald J. Trump is calling for total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United Sates, until our elected representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
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>>124745456
and the executive order didn't do that
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>>124745055
>What's keeping the ban from being applied now?
Well, that particular ban lost in court twice and was repealed by Trump so the fact that it's no longer on the books I would imagine.

As for the current ban, probably all that bullshit Trump said about wanting to ban Muslims coming back to haunt him. Fuck's sake the page about his call for a Muslim ban was still on his campaign's website until it came up in court in the past couple days and they realized how badly they fucked up and took it down.
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>>124745337
>he's already fired retard
That's nice, he broke multiple federal laws though. We are way past fired.
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>>124745055
>What's keeping the ban from being applied now?
The 9th circuit ignoring the law and the need to take it to appeals and SCOTUS or the need for a new executive order.

>The big story today was that the White House story of events was torn to shreds, Flynn is fucked, and perhaps several other Trump associates too.
Not really, no, just more innuendo and baseless conjecture to keep muh Russia narrative alive.
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>>124745456
Great, now prove that the executive order does this
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>>124745686
>That's nice, he broke multiple federal laws though.
And yet no arrests have been made, just a bunch of bullshit talk by partisans and warmongers desperate to get into Syria.
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>>124745741
he won't because he can't
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>SALLY YATES
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>>124745741
>people affected by the ban are predominantly Muslims
>Trump made discriminatory marks towards Muslims and called for banning them
The ban doesn't have to fuck every Muslim to be discriminatory. It just has to be designed to fuck Muslims.
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>>124745843
>And yet no arrests have been made
Wow, it's almost like the investigation isn't over.
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>>124745588
>>124745741
>>124745888

I don't have to prove anything. Since Trump has publicly claimed that he wanted to ban Muslims, any travel ban that he tries to implement will be associated with banning Muslims by the public.
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>>124745984
Any class of immigrants the President holds to be a threat to national interests. ANY CLASS.
He could ban all Muslim immigration, all black immigration, all Jew immigration and it would be perfectly legal, the partisan wrangling of emotionalistic children in the Democrat party would not change that.
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>Liberals so butthurt over losing that they are fiercely trying to alter history

Remember when they tried to say that Hillary literally going "Delete this" on Twitter was the epic takedown?
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>>124745924

>doesnt do her job

>gets fired for ignoring law as AG

seems appropriate
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>>124734441
he quoted a statute of restricting travel. she quoted a statute having to do with the issuing of visas. Two different things.
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>>124746087
It's almost like the investigation is pure political theater and obstructionism that is completely baseless. This is all about globalist neocon Dems and Reps pissed that Flynn put the brakes on their entry into Syria over a chemical weapons false flag in 2013.
You are nothing but a worthless tool of warmongerers, bankers and Israel. You should contemplate killing yourself.
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>>124734441
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>>124734785
At what point in that exchange did Cruz win then?
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>>124745984
this is why jews should not practice European law
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Yates just made the whole GOP look fucking stupid. We need to stop underestimating the democrats.
>inb4 shill
Conservatives are getting hit from all directions. It isn't just because they are in power. Conservatives have always been the laughing stock...
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>>124746209
>Any class of immigrants the President holds to be a threat to national interests. ANY CLASS.
The Constitution, which has precedent over that law, bans the federal government from prohibiting the free exercise of religion. And unlike the 5th amendment which is equal protection for all members of any religion, this applies to government actions, not individuals. It's a restriction, not a protection. And federal immigration law doesn't override the Constitution.

If it can be shown that the intent of the law is to disenfranchise Muslims, the law can't stand.
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>>124745984
>IF THE LAW HURTS DEMOCRATS FEELINGS, IT'S WRONG!
Take a Midol and leave politics to the menfolk.
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>>124746332
She's literally some Obama leftover that didn't need to be there and 30 minutes after proving the only reason she was there was to try and hold back progress she's thrown out.
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>>124746541

>reddit, a site that modifies the voting algorithm to decide frontpage content, is pro-liberal

WOW BTFO!
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>>124746161
So you can't prove anything at all?
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>>124746541

>shareblue
>resistancereport

Fucking kek'd
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>>124746407
>It's almost like the investigation is pure political theater and obstructionism that is completely baseless.
>He took money from the Russian government
>it was illegal for him to take money from the Russian government as a retired general
Don't get me wrong, the investigation playing out in public like this is pure political theater, but he's still guilty as shit and going to jail.
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>>124743437
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>>124745984
No, it has to be proven to discriminate against muslims because they are muslim, stupid.
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>>124746551
Noncitizens of no status don't have constitutional protections. There are no religious freedoms extended by the constitution to non-citizens living in foreign countries. How are you this stupid? Furthermore, US Code explicitly grants POTUS the power to disallow any class of immigrants he deems a threat to national interest and numerous exercises of this power have been upheld in the courts including ones in which Muslims were explicitly targeted.
>BUT MUH FEELINGS
They don't matter.
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>>124746601
>IF THE LAW HURTS DEMOCRATS FEELINGS, IT'S WRONG!
Nah, political discrimination is only banned in like 3 states. This was federal.

He could totally ban noncitizen Democrats from entering the country.
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>>124736637
Is this anon.... Trump himself?
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>>124746541
cant argue with that
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>>124736225
She didn't think it was constitutional, you know, the law.

According to every court that takes its case, its not constitutional.

The AG is the countries lead attorney and they didn't even bother to consult with her?
Its not her job to defend Trump, its her job to defend the constitution, and banning Muslims is unconstitutional.

Trump explicitly said he was going to ban Muslims from this country, and he was trying to. The only people who got passed it were the rich Muslims, which is also against the Statue of Liberty
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>>124740578
>True, read the law.
I never knew the United States Constitution extended protections across the globe.
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>>124746161
wonderful. that means that, any rep that wants to restrict firearms, they can't do it if they stated that they hate guns - it's a constitutional right
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>>124746708
He won't go to jail, nothing will come of this except wasted time and Democrats and neocon Republicans looking like unhinged conspiracy theorists and blood-thirsty globalists by anyone who understand the Syria situation.
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>>124746909

IT IS NOT

A MUSLIM BAN

show me ONE PART of the EO that says it's a muslim ban. right fucking now.
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>>124734780
lmao that fucking gif
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>>124746787
>No, it has to be proven to discriminate against muslims because they are muslim, stupid.
Well it does discriminate against muslims. That's just a matter of fact.

It's called disparate impact. That would be perfectly fine in this instance if it were not the point.
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>>124735585
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>>124734441
>be ignorant of the law and say inane, incorrect bullshit
>haha yaaaas queen slay!
I hate liberals so much.
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>>124739328
>be billionaire president of USA
>random cunt on some online anime board calls him a failure

totally useful post.
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>>124746551
>the Constitution
Gives congress power to determine a uniform rule of naturalization. it doesn't:
>bans the federal government from prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
that's the fucking Jewish subversion of our immigration law. look up the immigration and naturalization act from 65
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>>124740272
>And you're not allowed to discriminate against specific religious groups
even if they want to overthrow the government? you have to let them?
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>>124742696
>What do you think about gerrymandering?
Nice deflection. Means you've run out of rational arguments are now resorting to concocting retarded on the spot justifications for your untenable position. Go have your meltdown somewhere else.
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>>124746828
The Democrat party allows non-American citizens of no legal status admission into their party? Of course they do, that's how they get the votes of all the illegals!
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>>124734441

What is wrong with these people? She is clearly engaging in partisan sophistry. The POTUS literally has the authority to do what Trump did. Executive authority explicitly overrides any consideration of implicit institutional discrimination.
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>>124746812
>Noncitizens of no status don't have constitutional protections.
>It's a restriction, not a protection

The First Amendment and the Fifth Amendment both refer to religion. One provides protections for individuals, the other provides restrictions for the government. The protections aren't relevant, but the restrictions are.
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>>124747028
Of course it's not a muslim ban. The Obama administration wrote up those places in the fist place and why would a muslim president ban other muslims?
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>>124747048
>Well it does discriminate against muslims.
As well as Christians, Jews, etc
>It's called disparate impact.
It's called illiterates who don't realize that Turkey and Saudi Arabia weren't banned.
>That would be perfectly fine in this instance if it were not the point.
It's perfectly fine regardless of your childish misunderstandings.
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>>124746551
The very same constitution that also vests in the congress the power to decide who immigrates and who doesn't?
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>>124746909
What she thinks is constitutional or not is irrelevant, she doesn't have the authority to make that decision. She's not a SCOTUS justice, her opinions on constitutionality are irrelevant. Leave it to a woman to think she has more power than she does or to usurp authority because of her feelings.
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>>124739456
>>124746436


>At what point in that exchange did Cruz win then?

When the audience could see that the deadness of her eyes did not match the intensity of her argument and could reasonably deduce that she was bullshitting.
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>>124745984
>people affected by the ban are predominantly Muslims
It also just so happens that there is a literal psuedo state in those regions whose avowed goal is the destroy us. Who also happen to be Muslim. If Donald really wanted to ban Muslims he would have went just done so, or picked better countries. Like Indonesia, or fucking Saudi Arabia.
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>>124734441
every weird shill post has 1 post per proxy

faggots


sage for joostus
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>>124742696
>a man that surrounds himself with sycophants is not a leader..

Are you talking about the Obama admin? That's literally the exact thing he did. He was guilty of this to the point that his own appointed Defense Secretary and CIA chief Leon Panetta criticized him for it in his book Worthy Fights. He challenges the Obama admin on being "too insular" and limiting decision making to his "inner circle", even in cases where traditionally the presidents cabinet would have made deals outside of the admins direct control.
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>>124747195
Neither are relevant here, US Code and precedent are relevant here, both of which side with Trump.
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also gotta love the irony of a womans feelings getting in the way of her job

typical
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>>124746541
>posting /r/politics
lol
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>>124745924
>Defied immigration ban
I hate the press. I never realized just how disgusting their influence was until now.
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>>124734785
heh, sorry sweetie you must by a little confused honey, white cis senator ted cruz tried to mansplain to this sassy woman [yes woman can stand up for themselves just like men] and she DESTROYED him
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>>124747001
>He won't go to jail
Not if he has proof Trump corroborated with the Russians. Otherwise, yeah, he's going to jail.

He'll also have to surrender like 530k in foreign payments.
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>>124746692
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?

>Trump: "Donald J. Trump is calling for total and complete shutdown of Muslims"
>EO bans entry from seven majority-Muslim countries
>The order prioritizes Christian refugees:
>Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.

Well I guess we'll never find out how people get the idea Trump wants to ban Muslims?
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>>124747549

>feelings

That is a funny way of spelling political ambitions.
>>
>be dahnald trump
>spend two whole years flapping your fat fucking jowels about making a muslim ban
>publish it on your website
>get elected
>do it
>courts stop it because its retarded
>you're retarded
>"b-b-but its not what it looks like"
>beg them to ignore all the shit you said for the last 2 years
>shouty spice gets called out on it
>scrub it from your website an hour later like a faggot
>MUH FAKE NEWS
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>>124734567
i dont know how it works in leaf town but
here the constitution is king

you cant put a religious test on immigration, the executive order did that and it obviously failed.

something ted doesnt understand, and yes he got legally schooled
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>>124736402
>she questioned the constitutionality of the fucking executive order and helped get it overturned, sounds like she's doing her job.
yep, this brave woman stood up for the constitution. it's common for cis men to have insecure masculinity and say a woman is bossy, but she's just asserting her right to interpret the constitution and make ad hoc judgements as to the constitutionality of any law, ESPECIALLY AS A WOMAN IN THIS HEATED ENVIRONMENT OF MARGINALIZED GROUPS BEING UNDER THREAT!
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She didn't give him a lesson in law. She proved how much of a political hack she was and how politicized obamas doj was.
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>muh mudslimes
sage faggot threads please
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>>124734441
Who's this Salty Yeast and why should I care?
>>
she only did it so she would have a job to look forward to
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>>124747258
>As well as Christians, Jews, etc
Not entirely sure you know what disparate impact means. That or you have no idea who lives in these countries.
>It's called illiterates who don't realize that Turkey and Saudi Arabia weren't banned.
Has nothing to do with disparate impact. Even his original proposal wouldn't have banned all Muslims, just not all noncitizen Muslims. You don't have to impact an entire class of people do be attempting to discriminate against that class.
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>>124747842

ok so

1) why does the constitution apply to illegals/immigrants

and

2) the law clearly states the president can kick them out, why is the law wrong?
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>>124747028
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YUK2aMYGMCg

>Intent matters in court, its not just the text

There's a reason politicians don't talk like Trump, because saying a bunch of stupid shit as it pops into your head can bite you in the ass.

He may not even genuinely want a Muslim ban, I bet he loves Muslims now. But, Trump said himself the day after is inauguration, we are his enemies, and we aren't about to do him favors, fuck you.
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>>124743255
This. We have 135 years of legal precedent doing just that. We did it to Jews in the 40s. Did it to the Chinese in the 10s and 20s. Did it to HIV/Blacks in the 80s. Etc.
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>>124736544
Wait but Cruz is right.
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>>124747664
>The order prioritizes Christian refugees:
because they are discriminated against lel
Again, none of this constitutes proof that would stand in court
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>>124747842
You can, actually.
The bill of rights only applies to citizens of the United States.
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>>124747842
>a religious test on immigration, the executive order did that
source?
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>>124748004

the EO has no language stating it is a muslim ban.
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>>124741345
>I still don't understand why the left thinks it does.
>Thinking they think
Literally, every liberal in the United States of America is frothing at the mouth over an exaggerated Trump illusion created by the media. They ceased thinking long ago, when they declared Hillary "Bill and I got rich giving speeches to corporate scum, but I am totally your fried" Clinton, to be a perfectly trustworthy person. If Trump does anything, the automatic emotional response is to reject it first, and then create an elaborate web of excuses to justify it.
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>>124747788

By the time it became an executive order, it was literally no longer a muslim ban.

It's also not retarded as a concept, however the EO was written in such a retarded way as to be easily challenged.
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>>124747281
>The very same constitution that also vests in the congress the power to decide who immigrates and who doesn't?
What's you're point? First amendment is a later section than congressional powers. Later parts have greater force of law than earlier parts. That's pretty much law 101.
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>>124734441
I fapped at least 3 times to her during the hearing. She has a very beautiful face.
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>>124747658
Well, if some dimwitted redditor asserts it repeatedly, it must be so!
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>>124747476
You're operating under the assumption that Trump has any idea Indonesia is Muslim or wants to piss off his Saudi Arabian investors.
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>>124747335
Trump didn't consult her before directing his order, she's a free human being, she doesn't have to defend any case she doesn't believe in, she should of been fired, but she's still right
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>>124747536
>Neither are relevant here
1st Amendment has been relevant here since Trump called for a Muslim ban.
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>>124748112

It doesn't need to be spelled out in the order for the judge to discover intent when the dumb pig spent an entire election cycle making it very clear what that was.
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>>124739328
>when
that guy in the picture looks so much like a cuck!
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>>124747788
How is banning adherents of death cult whose central tenet is the conquest and enslavement of all non-Muslims retarded?
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>>124748208
This isn't the koran we're talking about here.
Later doesn't mean more valid.
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>>124747989
>Not entirely sure you know what disparate impact means.
I doubt you're sure of much at all.
>You don't have to impact an entire class of people do be attempting to discriminate against that class.
No one made this claim, can't you read? Every made outside of the pearly gates of heaven has a disparate impact. The burden of proof is upon you and not upon me. So far, you haven' tproved anything besides your own ignorance.
>original proposal
Is that your term for his off the cuff campaign statements, which changed by the day?
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>>124748426
>Later doesn't mean more valid.
So you're saying Alcohol is still illegal?
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>>124747989
>Not entirely sure you know what disparate impact means
It means leftist bullshit is what it means.
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>>124746161
oh sweetie, i'm sorry you didn't make it past high school but we judge the merits of laws on there face in the real world honey boo boo
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>>124740272
You don't get it, he can discriminate against Muslims directly if they are non-citizens.
Call congress to pass a new bill if you disagree with it, but using Judges is just going to bite you in the ass 20 years down the line.
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>>124748355
false. the intent of the law is judged by the law.
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>>124740035
>WHY DOES THE CONSTITUTION APPLY TO NON CITIZENS
Because the law, generally, applies to non citizens, and the constitution is the law of the land.
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>>124740128
Following EO's is the law.
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>>124748208
>Later parts have greater force of law than earlier parts. That's pretty much law 101.
LOL NO! That's how the Koran is interpreted.
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>>124748355

>intent

noone fucking cares what your feelings are

there is nothing in the EO that is anti-muslim. and the best part? obama did the SAME THING and it was ALLOWED.
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>>124748444
>Is that your term for his off the cuff campaign statements, which changed by the day?
No, that's my term for his official campaign platform that was on his campaign website until like a day ago

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MdP14NQeE-IJ:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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>>124748298
Yes, actually, her job was to do what Trump ordered her to do, not to do whatever she felt. I know that's hard for women to understand which is why they're such shit in any workplace.
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>>124748510
I thought we were talking about the constitution?
It's one document that literally has to be written out linearly.
You're going full "on debating jews: truisms, fields of an essentially different nature, etc."
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>>124741285
>The complications of it being any other way would be so absurd and far reaching that I can't even predict the effects that it would have on the legal system if something this stupid became precedent.
It would be as retarded as the Liberum Veto the Polish Commonwealth had.
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>>124746934
>they can't do it
What's with American's and their poor reading comprehension and deductive skills?

Trump can TRY to pass his EO, through a liberal court system that will continually strike down it down. Just like anyone who tries to pass anti-firearm measures will soon be faced with staunch conservative opposition.

>124748037
>none of this constitutes proof that would stand in court
Hmm, a policy written by lawyers doesn't explicitly state that it wants to ban Muslims?
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>>124748680

Obama also wasn't a retarded faggot and knew how to do his shit without pissing off the courts, so there you go.
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>>124748711
>doesn't address the rest of my post
Wow, you got me!
Damn, I guess this means he's forfeited his presidential powers forever :(
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>>124748782
>Yes, actually, her job was to do what Trump ordered her to do, not to do whatever she felt.
Just as she served at Trump's discretion, she carried out her duties under her own discretion.

We have had a semi independent justice department since Nixon pulled a bunch of bullshit to stay out of jail.
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>>124747842
But you can if they are not citizens, what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>124748339
Nope, First Amendment doesn't apply to non-American non-citizens of no legal status. He could ban all Muslims, all Christians, all Jews if he deemed them a threat to national interests. Carter banned Iranians, Clinton and Obama banned Cubans, Reagan banned HIV-infected.
This is settled law, unfortunately our judicial system, especially the circuits encompassing blue states, are packed with partisan hacks who rule based on ideology rather than legality.
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>>124748517
>What is guilt by association?
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>>124748806
>I thought we were talking about the constitution?
We are, you just haven't read it.
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>>124748908
>American's
lol
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>>124749003
This is why any talk about whether it is a Muslim ban or not is retarded; It could directly say we are banning all Muslim Non-citizens because fuck Islam, and it would be valid.
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>>124749067
So show me the amendment that stops either the congress via vote or the president via executive order from denying immigration by any test they so choose.
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>>124749066
see
>>124749003
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>>124746909
>According to every court that takes its case, its not constitutional.
Literally never actually been ruled on dumbass. The only rulings made have been stays on the executive orders because there are pending law suits concocted on the exact same stupidity ad Yate's argument. And even then they've all been made by the Jewish 9th circuit court, considered a literal joke by even the Supreme Court because of its absurd Progressive Court Packing,
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>>124735945
wrong
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>>124749003
>Nope, First Amendment doesn't apply to non-American non-citizens of no legal status.
You're absolutely right.

It applies to government actions. Because it's not a protection, it's a restriction.

It has fuck all to do with personal rights. It'd be just as illegal to ban korans being shipped to the US. They don't have some sort of right to equal protection under the law. They're fucking books.
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>the consitutuon doesn't apply to foreign citizens!!!!
Well where does it say it DOESNT apply to foreigners?
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>>124748967

>obama sucked the dick of the ninth circuit

fixed

dont worry, the supreme court is a different story now thanks to gorsuch.
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>>124749191
>So show me the amendment that stops either the congress via vote or the president via executive order from denying immigration by any test they so choose.
1st. Establishment clause.
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>>124748295
So your saying the Executive Order doesn't affect all Muslims and is in fact not a Muslim ban? Thanks for playing kiddo.
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So her argument is she can look at the intent of her own employer and the constitutionality of that
While ignoring the precedent of US code and Supreme Court rulings regarding immigration restrictions not looking at intent behind legal face value
She then argues she can interpret the 1st amendment and 14 amendment rulings that dont exist so she should not constitutionally be able to enforce the orders of the office she serves at the discretion of the president
So serving in an office that exist solely by the authority of the executive not explicitly authorized by the constitution, she can defy the executives constitutional and legal authority by code based a speculative rulings that will come in her opinion defying her own counsel
She absolutely deserved to be fired
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>>124748355
His intent doesn't matter since the section of US Code gives him the discretion to disallow any class of immigrant he finds a threat to national interest and non-citizen Muslims of no legal status have no First Amendment or any constitutional protections.
Where were you Democrats when Obama was violating the due process rights of actual American citizens via drone strikes? Where was your love of constitutional protections then? Not that I care that some Islamist's teenage son was murdered without due process, but it was a terrible precedent and it seems like something you bleeding hearts would be up in arms about.
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>>124735945
Same thing, Chang
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>>124749344
So our laws apply to all peoples on the entire earth, regardless of lawful citizenship status or not?
If that's the case, why aren't we going to war with say, Saudi Arabia for their violations of the establishment clause?
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>>124749376
>So your saying the Executive Order doesn't affect all Muslims and is in fact not a Muslim ban?
The Japanese internment didn't target all Japanese, but I'm pretty sure it was still a Japanese internment.
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>yates bitch "warns" trump about flynn

>mind you, shes an obama puppet trying to disrupt his transition

a warning without evidence doesnt mean trump is liable for anything. even IF flynn became a fucking KGB spy, to the best of trumps knowledge he was fine.

how are you going to blame trump for anything? flynn had potential risk? doesnt EVERYONE have inherent risks?
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>>124749514
Piss poor analogy, it targeted them based upon ethnicity.
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>>124749505
>So our laws apply to all peoples on the entire earth, regardless of lawful citizenship status or not?
No, of course not. Our laws don't apply at all to noncitizens outside the United States.

This particular part of the law doesn't even apply to people. It applies to government. It's a limit on federal power vis a vis religion.
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>>124746161
>any travel ban that he tries to implement will be associated with banning Muslims by the public.
>By the public
Too bad the Law doesn't give two shits what the fucking public thinks.
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>>124749376
holy shit i wish trump wasnt a major dumbass and banned all countries in the world because thats where muslims live

sarcasm
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>>124749605
So you are saying the government CAN in fact target Muslims? Really makes me think.
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>>124748388
I was a Trump voter and I've been very critical of him for not repealing DACA, betraying Flynn, launching the strike on Syria, not pushing his obstructed EOs harder or doing run arounds, not whipping the Congressional majorities into line and giving position to Kushner. But I will defend him from retarded leftists and their low info, emotionalistic garbage.
Leftists really just need to sit down and focus on their own self-destructing party and leave the criticisms of Trump to the hard right.
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I think that the Immigration Act of 1965 should be abolished and that all immigrants and their descendants who would not have qualified to enter the US prior to 1965 should be deported immediately to their country of origin. The 14th amendment was not intended to apply to the offspring of noncitizens and birthright citizenship should be revoked. How legally viable are these propositions?
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>>124749672
>Our laws don't apply at all to noncitizens
Thanks for playing.
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>>124749729
>betraying Flynn
Notice that Trump has still been defending him this entire time after he was let go.
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>>124749066
dude shut the fuck up you have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>124749150
>lol

>>124749693
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
>people
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>>124749720
No, but that moron can't comprehend that he needs good proof that the law itself is targeting muslims because they are muslim.
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>>124748661
>US law applies to non-citizens in jurisdictions outside of the US
>this is what leftists actually believe
And they think they're high-info because they watch infotainment shows on TV!
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>>124749754
Probably would need a constitutional convention for that to happen. Congress or the Supreme Court could let that happen, but it would be almost impossible in reality.
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>>124739838
Modern liberals subvert the constitution. You disgusting pieces of shit have always been traitors and will always continue to be no matter how much you bitch about muh Russia. Your act convinces no one.
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>>124749840
You got me, I was brainwashed into decent grammar.
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>>124749967
This. It is disgusting to watch them pretend to love the country they just spent 8 years shitting on all because they want their rustbelt voters back
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>>124742696
That picture makes me feel a lot of things.
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Its almost unbelieve how this board went from TRUMP DAILY THREADS

to 'heh this is what hes doing now LOL!'

the healthcare bill will not pass btw
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>>124748908
>Trump can TRY to pass his EO, through a liberal court system that will continually strike down it down.
Even if by some half assed chance some two bit joke of judge on the 9th circuit manages to create some long winded tin foil thin excuse to strike down the ban, any reasoning behind it is going to be retarded and baseless, Trump can just bring it to a higher court and win it there.He can even bring it the Supreme Court if he needs to, and with Gorsuch on the seat, even a full partisan divide will ensure its passage.
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>>124749322
>We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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>>124749605
>Piss poor analogy, it targeted them based upon ethnicity.
And? It's an analogy, not an example.

The point is the argument has the same structure. That's literally what makes it an analogy.
The Muslim ban did not target all Muslims, but the ban was still a Muslim ban.
The Japanese internment did not target all Japanese, but the internment was still a Japanese internment.
The Y X did not target all Ys, but the X was still a Y X.
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>>124748994
And she was rightfully terminated for overstepping her authority, defying her employer, and substituting her own feelings for lawful orders.
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>>124734441
>slimey closet-fag pedo
I cannot believe he made it that far in his life.
Don't you american people see him for what he is?
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>>124749228
He really needs to get this in front of SCOTUS, though maybe waiting for Ginsberg or another to kick off might be a better strategy.
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>>124747842
ru fucking retarded?
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>>124749758
>can't read past the first line
I found the problem. You have a learning disability.
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>>124749818
>>124749970
Nice deflections. Present an argument anytime.
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>>124749297
Nope. You are wrong, your reasoning has no basis in the laws and articles as written or how they've been applied and upheld by the executive and judicial branches for centuries.
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>>124734441
YEA RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR OTHERS TO BOMB THE USA WOOT WOOT
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>>124749921
>If I murder somebody while on an international flight I get away scot-free!
You just don't understand how the law works.
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>>124750196
>And she was rightfully terminated for overstepping her authority, defying her employer, and substituting her own feelings for lawful orders.
That lawful order lost twice in court and was repealed.

She was however rightfully terminated. As previously stated she served at Trump's discretion.
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>>124750493
>Nope. You are wrong, your reasoning has no basis in the laws and articles as written or how they've been applied and upheld by the executive and judicial branches for centuries.
And yet Trump keeps losing in court.
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>>124750437
Nice deflections. Present an argument anytime.
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>>124750543
>That lawful order lost twice in court
kek'd hard
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>>124749840
>Sheep shagger grammar babby BTFO

No prizes here for second place, faggot.
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You can walk around walmart in your underwear and people want FREE healthcare?

Doctors go through the most schooling, dont start earning money til they are THIRTY

THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THE LIFE THEY DREAMED OF WHEN THEY WERE OUR AGE POSTING ON SHITCHAN

TRUMPS BILL WILL PASSSS
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>>124749344
First prove there's a religious test within the order. Second show where statute or precedent disallows a religious test for exercise of the relevant section of US Code when the section of US Code gives blanket discretion to the President. If a religious test is disallowed from usage in this case, why does US Code give blanket discretion to disallow any class? If this action is unconstitutional how did it end up in the US Code to begin with? Why was it never struck down or removed any of the several times it has been used in comparable manner to its usage now by Trump?
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>>124735307
Glad you could help us out, now go back to sleep.
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>>124750178
>The point is the argument has the same structure.
And its flawed. Firstly, the Japanese Interments were upheld by the Supreme Court because the government was in a state of total war and the need for surveillance and safety of the state outweighed the needs of the individual.

Not only that, it was explicitly declared that the Japanese were being targeted by their very nature of being Japanese, and because of their Japaneseness were a liability against the State. Here there is no such matter. He banned a a series of countries because there is a rump-state in those regions whose goal is destroy us.
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>>124750621
My argument has already been stated:

>Trump has publicly said that he wanted a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United Sates"
>People will associate any travel restrictions that he passes with banning Muslims.
>The EO that he signed, contains a specific clause that allows Christians from these banned countries.

Present your counter argument.
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>>124750763
>babby
Don't trip on your own shoe laces while trying to lob your insults.
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>>124749672
Yes it limits federal power in regards to its relations to citizens, not to non-citizens. The Constitution is a covenant between the governed and the government, not between the government and people everywhere. The government can make war upon and deprive non-citizens life, liberty and property without due process or any constitutional protections or restrictions and does so with regularity. Does the Fifth Amendment's due process clause restrict the US government and military from attacking suspected ISIS positions without a warrant?
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>>124751273
>Trump has publicly said that he wanted a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United Sates"
Irrelevant
>People will associate any travel restrictions that he passes with banning Muslims.
Even more irrelevant than the first.
>The EO that he signed, contains a specific clause that allows Christians from these banned countries.
Still irrelevant to being constitutional.

Your "position" doesn't exist.
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>>124751461
You can't dismiss those points as irrelevant when the entire argument was about:
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
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>>124749809
>Notice that Trump has still been defending him this entire time after he was let go.
True, I'm just bitter that his admin was derailed so early by such bullshit and neocon lapdog Pence eagerly helped do it.
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>>124734441
>Ted uses a valid argument
>She quotes the 1965 immigration act
What am I looking at here?
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>>124751461
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>>124750104
>the healthcare bill will not pass btw
The white nationalist right doesn't give a fuck about healthcare btw, only conservacucks do and they can eat their worthless Congress critters betraying them yet again and giving them not a thing they want.
Protip: most of /pol/ would be fine with a single-payer system for the US, but only on the condition the US is a white ethno-state.
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>>124744985
specific law overrides general law, she is correct in her reading of it but trumps targeting of Muslims remains to be proven.
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>>124750104
Yes it will, Obamacare will be replaced.

The joke here are the people still trying push this trump Russia nonsense.
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>>124750532
No you don't know how the law works
>US GOVERNMENT HAS TO GET A WARRANT TO BOMB ISIS AND SEIZE THEIR SHIT IN IRAQ OR SYRIA BECAUSE MUH CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON GOVERNMENT POWER
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>>124750543
Lowest level of the court, the most overturned court in the country, it's literally nothing.
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>>124751941
The joke here is that people still defend that tax cut present to corporates while their fellow americans get stripped off 1st world basic healthcare.
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>>124751941
>Obamacare will be replaced.
But only with slightly revised Obamacare now with an R stamped on it. Wow, it's nothing, Congressional Republicans are as useless as tits on a bull!
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>>124752228
Well the American government is very corrupt, so people don't trust it to deliver healthcare, like it does in NZ and Germany.
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>>124750178
>your analogy is shit
>so what!
fucking kek
>>124750178
>The point is the argument has the same structure
Nope
>but the ban was still a Muslim ban.
You haven't proven this. Poor attempt, lad
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>>124751941

Trumps bill will be criticized just like obamacare was criticized (people saying 'muh no choices muh socialism' ), except this time, it will be 'this is it, I actually have to take out a LOAN to buy a treatment'

it will not pass the senate
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>>124752228
>tax cut present to corporates
Yes, because small and domestic business is getting killed by that tax and it's affecting employment. It's a regressive tax whose effects hurt the people it's supposed to help because the costs get passed on down the line.
>their fellow americans get stripped off 1st world basic healthcare
People who would mostly have coverage if they 1) took care fo themselves instead of indulging in self-destructive lifestyles and 2) spent their earnings on necessities first instead of luxuries first.
Anyone who loses coverage, probably some on expanded Medicaid, will still be able to get treatments, just like before Obamacare and the costs will be passed onto insurance holders and taxpayers like it was before and after Obamacare. Nothing done by the ACA or ACHA addresses the central demographic problems which are causing soaring healthcare costs nor will either party ever address those causes because to do so would be in contravention to the self-destructive, bleeding heart willfully blind ideologies at the core of both parties.
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>>124751602
>Where do people get the idea it "banned" Muslims?
The entire argument is actually about whether or not the executive order is constitutional or not. Which is why they are irrelevant.
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