/pol/, are you ready for a major fucking redpill on gender dysphoria?

you're supposed to shut it down, not turn it up

>>123350236
Bumping for truth. Thank you, rabbi, you truly are the greatest ally.

>>123350236
I hate you and your state, but sometimes you shylock fucks dig up some good stuff and deliver good bantz.

Plus, bonus points for linking the actual study.

>>123350236
the real question here is that is it still gay to watch tranny porn because because i know im not gay because they look like woman

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>>123350407
>>123350586

Here's another redpill: the degeneracy-pushing Jews are usually rich American ones, middle-class Israelis are pretty conservative (outside of Tel Aviv, which is basically Israel's california). Netanyahu is an American.

>>123350236
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
Very interesting all this.

>>123350990
Nope Israel is cancer too. Literally sand monkeys who larp as chosen ones. Real Jews don't exist any more

>>123350733
If the tranny fucks a woman. It is not gay. If a tranny fucks another man and you get a hard on. You might be a fagget in the back of your mind. Go get a high end escort. Fuck that pussy to bring your mind back.

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>>123350236
Stole your PePe, Here have this one

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>>123350236
But what about being tolerant??? Fuck... my brain hurts

Time for a safe break guys

>>123351085

A funny part is that trans groups and SJWs almost crucified the author of the study for publishing this and tried their hardest to publicaly shame her and ruin her career. So she did an interview with a trans newspaper where she went slick as fuck on them, she basically said that the study wasn't meant to judge surgery as a treatment, just give raw numbers on the results and prognosis of people who have undergone it. Liberals bought it up like candy because they have too much of a confirmation biases to realize that in the medical world a treatment is completely judged by the results and prognosis.

>cutting off your balls and cock makes you want to kill yourself

woah... didnt see that one coming

>>123350990
The greatest schism for Jews came after World War 2 when the Ashkenazi split into this who want to take revenge and undermine western civilization by acting as subverters in those nations, and those who wanted to forgive, move on and live in their own state in peace.

>>123350236
>In other words, for 70-80% of people who experience it gender dysphoria is a phase that will go away.

Can confirm, the second I removed myself from the tranny "support" network and started just trying to make my life better all feelings of "disphoria" started to go away. Eventually the suicidal depression went away too. Nobody is more invested and dedicated to *never* admitting that they were wrong about choosing to become a tranny than a tranny, and just like all sexual deviants, they are obsessed with converting others to justify their own poor choices and find strength in numbers.

There is also not one single sane tranny on earth, just varying degrees of ability to conceal insanity

>>123352514

All LGBTs are like that, their main arguing point they can never let go of is "we're born this way, we didn't choose it".

Gender: The inherent sense one has of being male or female.

Transgender: Umbrella term for individuals who are gender nonconformist, for any reason.

Transsexual: People who make changes to correct their sense of gender discordance. Includes, changing of dress, hormone replacement, and/or surgery.

The evidence supports that the primary reason a person would identify as a different gender is biological, not social. I will admit that there are certainly social pressures on people who fall into the trans spectrum. These pressures may keep people from admitting how they feel. You also have to admit that there will be a segment of the people who choose to identify with the trans population who are not trans, but are identify due to attention seeking, fetishizing, and/or concurrent mental illness.

>>123350980
Saving this for the future. That's some heavy shit

>>123352514
I have a tranny sibling and can confirm. Also he wasn't born wanting to be that way. He was a socially awkwatd boy with anxiety and depression. These things were never treated, he didn't even try as an adult to get on any psych meds or consult psychiatrist. His interests and behaviour were all consistently and stereotypically male. Majored in physics, liked sports cars and engineering stuff. This guy taught me most of what i know about mechanics. He was always complaining of nogf and would have fit right in on /r9k/. Around the time he turned 40 things got real weird. Family and i received a series of bizarre emails from him. He lost his mind. Then announced he was going tranny.

Not a gender identity thing. He is insane in every aspect of the meaning of the word.

>>123353473
Man that is bullshit.

>>123354695
Not really. There is very much a biological aspect to it. However, there are some people who do have mental illness who attach themselves to this. In general, once you weed out the people with concurrent mental illness, being transgender has a pretty legit medical and biological foundation.

>>123354903
I challenge you to give one single example of a tranny who does not have any comorbid psych disorders.

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>>123354903

Why don't you post some fucking sauce on your claims then instead of just giving us your word for it?

>>123354695
Gender Dysphoria appears to be an issue with brain development. Transgender people do have a legitimate medical issue with no real cure.

However, around 99% of the androgynous hipsters who self-identify as transgender are just doing it because it's trendy. Although a large number of them also have mental issues, their mental issues are more along the lines of narcissistic personality disorders.

>>123355497
van Kesteren PJ, Gooren LJ, Megens JA. An epidemiological and demographic study of transsexuals in The Netherlands. Arch Sex Behav 1996; 25:589.

Veale JF. Prevalence of transsexualism among New Zealand passport holders. Aust N Z J Psychiatry 2008; 42:887.

Kuyper L, Wijsen C. Gender identities and gender dysphoria in the Netherlands. Arch Sex Behav 2014; 43:377.

Kauth MR, Shipherd JC, Lindsay J, et al. Access to care for transgender veterans in the Veterans Health Administration: 2006-2013. Am J Public Health 2014; 104 Suppl 4:S532.

Vujovic S, Popovic S, Sbutega-Milosevic G, et al. Transsexualism in Serbia: a twenty-year follow-up study. J Sex Med 2009; 6:1018.
- Okabe N, Sato T, Matsumoto Y, et al. Clinical characteristics of patients with gender identity disorder at a Japanese gender identity disorder clinic. Psychiatry Res 2008; 157:315.

Zhou JN, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF. A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. Nature 1995; 378:68.
- Kruijver FP, Zhou JN, Pool CW, et al. Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000; 85:2034.
- Gooren LJ, Kreukels B, Lapauw B, Giltay EJ. (Patho)physiology of cross-sex hormone administration to transsexual people: the potential impact of male-female genetic differences. Andrologia 2015; 47:5.
- Swaab DF, Chung WC, Kruijver FP, et al. Sexual differentiation of the human hypothalamus. Adv Exp Med Biol 2002; 511:75.
- Crespi EJ, Denver RJ. Ancient origins of human developmental plasticity. Am J Hum Biol 2005; 17:44.
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Hughes IA, Houk C, Ahmed SF, et al. Consensus statement on management of intersex disorders. Arch Dis Child 2006; 91:554.

>>123350236
>suicide problem amongst transsexuals
I think it's more of a suicide feature.

Well I'd say transsexuality is a mental illness anyway, so before changing sex they should rather be put in some asylum where doctors can fix their heads

>>123355497
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024

>>123350236
How to get Israeli art-student gf?

>>123350236
Meh. I was redpilled on the futility of SRS a long time ago by Blaire herself.

>>123350236
I don't know why anyone's surprised by this.

If some kid goes through a punk / goth / emo / whatever phase, you don't chemically bond their clothing to them and give them full-body tattoos. They'll claim they are (thing) vehemently and say they'll never change and that you don't understand, but you stand firm and deal with it and wait for it to pass.

This is just how humans act while they grow up.

>>123354903
>Not really

PSA: any post that uses these words in this fashion is to be disregarded in it's entirety.

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>>123355780
I Kek'ed.

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>>123352444
The Holocaust never happened. All the jews picked up and left to conquered Palaestine.

>>123355918

When I worked at an asylum there was a tranny there. The doctors stopped her HRT, they weren't even anti-trans, they just stopped because they thought she wasn't mentally strong enough to transition, didn't want the raging hormone issues in her current state, and she was actually mildly schizophrenic so they couldn't be sure she was even in her right mind. She responded by contacting trans-advocacy groups, writing letters to the ministry of health and even wrote letters to the media (don't think a story ever got published though) talking about political psychiatry. The head of the department ended up being contacted by the fucking ministery of health threatening their licences if they didn't put her back on hormones.

I might post the full greentext in a new thread tomrrow

>>123350990
those american jews are the ones funneling money into your state

>>123350236
>>123350980
the doctors who do this are either brainwashed by society too, or completely mercenary about making money, or perhaps a combo of both

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>>123356656
Post it now kikeanon. That story sounds very interesting.

>>123350236
The tranny movement is about turning a transient mental illness into a permanent inescapable body mutilation. This includes the use of hormone blockers in children, which permanently mutilate bodies by forever stopping the development of secondary sex characteristics (see Jazz Jennings micropenis). It's a self-harm cult.

>>123355780
Underrated post

>>123356064

So people who have gender dysphoria don't have normal brains. Who could have fucking guessed. If anything these studies confirm that gender dysphoria is an illness.

>>123356656
post story pls

was this in Israel? or is that a proxy

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>>123356816
>tfw searching for "jazz jennings micropenis" on google

>>123356656

Yeah that would be pretty much the main problem

>The head of the department ended up being contacted by the fucking ministery of health threatening their licences if they didn't put her back on hormones.

Especially this one. So they march first against Trump doing something about "science" but can't accept that a doctor (medicine is a science subject) said that they are mentally instable?

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http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

>For forty years as the University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Medical School—twenty-six of which were also spent as Psychiatrist in Chief of Johns Hopkins Hospital—I’ve been studying people who claim to be transgender. Over that time, I’ve watched the phenomenon change and expand in remarkable ways.

>In fact, gender dysphoria... belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder.

>The treatment should strive to correct the false, problematic nature of the assumption and to resolve the psychosocial conflicts provoking it.

>The larger issue is the meme itself. The idea that one’s sex is fluid and a matter open to choice runs unquestioned through our culture and is reflected everywhere in the media, the theater, the classroom, and in many medical clinics. It has taken on cult-like features: its own special lingo, internet chat rooms providing slick answers to new recruits, and clubs for easy access to dresses and styles supporting the sex change. It is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022236#t=article

>However, our findings suggest that children who are born genetically and hormonally male may identify themselves as males despite being raised as females and undergoing feminizing genitoplasty at birth. Reassignment of genetic males to female sex because of phallic inadequacy may complicate already complex neonatal conditions.

Since I ran out of space, you get the gist of it.

Bump for pure truth

>>123350990
Then tell me kike. If Mizrahi Jews are soooo conservative, why is it that you accept American money? Why do i never hear of Protests against American wars over there? Why is it that the Ashkenazi Jews hate America sooooo fucking much when it was the Americans that saved the Jews from the fires of the six trillions? What the fuck did i ever do to (((them))) to deserve the death of my people and my culture?

>>123357795

There's a story of a kid who was raised female after a botched circumcision, the psychologist who did it wanted to prove that gender was a social construct, he ended up transitioning to make as a teenager and then killed himself. It still causes immense asspain amongst leftists to this day when you bring the case up.

I forgot the name but it's very widespread on Google.

>>123350236
Thanks for this but I still hate your country though

>>123355497
Neuroanatomist have in the last 10-15 years discovered that there are some strong indicators that there are observable and measurable differences in the brain between transsexual people and those who are not. In both male to female and female to male, neuroanatomist have found that these people had structural differences in their stria terminalis. They found that people who were transgendered had stria terminalis that matched there self-identified gender, not their phenotypical gender. [6]

In addition from that information, we know of a lot of other prenatal hormonal issues that cause all kinds of interesting results. For example, we know that girls with Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia end up with pretty high rates of lesbianism.

Now with this being stated, we are talking about a tiny portion of the population. Just because there isn’t a huge population of these people, hatred or dismissal of their issues isn’t justified like the hatred of Israelis.

Several Northern European countries show that the prevalence of the transsexualism is between 0.003-0.008%. [1] The reported prevalence of transsexualism is in New Zealand is about 0.02%. [2] The prevalence of people reporting any transgender issues is a little higher. Again, the Northern European nations report that about 0.3% of men and 0.05% of women. [3] The US doesn't have a good way to data mine the entire population, but data mining the VA records shows that the US population probably runs at about 0.03%, but this is not a definite. [4] Of the people who express any transgender tendencies, there is a 3 to 1 male to female vs female to male prevalence. [5]

cont.

>>123358921

And how exactly is this relevant to the fact that surgery is not, according to the data, a good treatment for gender dysphoria?

I never said the guy was wrong, I just asked fo sauce

>>123358738


The text is too long to paste from the study above, but what you described is basically what they did to children as they were raised opposite of their biological sex/gender, and were never told about it either.

The majority of them once their true identity was divulged ended up siding with that reality, and underwent reconstruction surgery.

Other interesting things happened, such as the boys being raised as girls resented being dressed as girls, still behaved as young boys do even when raised as girls; the list goes on and on and on. All it did was further cement the fact that gender/sex is not something you "feel" like you can change. There are rare exceptions due to developmental issues, but other than that, it's a total mental illness.

It's too bad our generation is so quick to dismiss fact and biology and side with it being a fucking meme.

>>123352758
I know I definitely wasn't born bisexual, it was a learned behavior that I quickly outgrew once I found a gf who will make a suitable mother for my children.

Thus far, any reputable attempt to try and prove that gender could be assigned by social means has resulted in complete failure. The best example to show you this failure is the case of David Reimer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer). We have known this for a long time now in medicine field. In the past when we were faced with a child born with what we call “ambiguous genitalia” we would tell the parents that due to limited surgical capabilities it was “easier to make a hole than a pole” and would make the child a girl. The parents were told to raise the child as a girl. It turned out that greater than 50% of these children would later reject their female identity. [7] David Reimer is a perfect example.

Tl;dr Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Transgenderism is not. The reason most people commit suicide from being the result of being transgendered of suffering GID is because they experienced sexual assault often coupled with physical assaults, rape or abuse or victimized or other various cause.

Jesus fuck this captcha.

>>123350236

What about trans species or or trans object

>>123358921
>They found that people who were transgendered had stria terminalis that matched there self-identified gender, not their phenotypical gender.
And how many cases are there where the stria terminalis was a mismatch, but the person did not experience any significant transgender thoughts? That stat they give may just be correlation.

>>123359808
Oh please, otherkin are beyond furries, even libs don't take those seriously.

>>123359520
you're saying our lord and savior bill nye is lying!?!?!?

>>123359808

I refuse to believe that those actually exist and aren't just performance artists.

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>>123350236
inb4 the study gets shut down

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>>123358921
Sooo.....0.003-0.008%

Ok, that puts us at 10-25K total trannys in America. That makes sense and I dont disagree that they might have a different brain.

That is also super fucking rare and not the same as this meme going around now about trans.

>>123361044

40-42% of trans report having attempted suicide at least once, Google it, there's like 8 studies about it

>>123356106
Tell her you roleplay as an SS officer in the bedroom. Kikes fetishize nazis more than anything.

Sorry going on an autist rant here. My sister in law is a teacher, god bless her heart, but shes kinda liberal. She works in a very small and poor school district. She really does care about kids. She tells me they have three (3) trans or non binary or whatever kids in their 100 person high school. And lots more have preferred pronouns.

Either modern trans is a meme, or there is some environmental factor causing all this shit at levels never before seen.

How to profit on detransitioning?

>>123361044
>That is also super fucking rare and not the same as this meme going around now about trans.
No, it's not, and the trendy ones are pissing off all the people who might otherwise realize that there really are legitimate people for whom there is no 'man up' option, for whom it never had one thing to do with fetishes or sex or crossdressing or phases or literally any of that shit. Even the study in the thread proves it as it specifically says 70-80%, which is a far cry below 100% (I actually thought it would be a higher number desu).

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>>123350236
>what is Eugenics and giving insane people what they want so they kill themselves or can't reproduce or commit genetic suicide by race mixing

Jew I...

>>123361282
Sad. Mentally sick people, vulnerable in this sick society, get pushed this hopeless garbage meme - no wonder they kill themselves, they have nothing to look forwards too and no role models besides a bunch of weak freaks paraded around as normal.

>>123350550
No more golem tho pls

>>123361481
>some environmental factor
the constant media barrage that men are bad, women are great, and trans is cool

>>123361481
Build a better binder. Breasts don't hide themselves.

>>123361603
I thought it would be higher too. I'vwe found in my life thought that stats rarely hit above 85% for sociological things. There is always a portion of a group that simply doesn't conform, enjoy, accept, etc the norm. This is healthy. See re: political approvals, lagging acceptance of new tech, etc

Would explain why even in a population of non-trans that ended up nor really being, some of them end up accepting their lot anyway. The vast majoritym the 70-80% you would expect to see in a social study, can realize it was a phase.

>>123350236

SWEEDEN, NO!

>>123361783
That would be the pathological meme as posted above. Going to read that study today.

>>123361804
kek

>>123361777
ČECH'EM

>>123350990
Odd, I find it hard to believe it but it makes me ponder if these "Rich Jews" you are describing are what your kind calls "Erev Rav" and if yes, are they real or just a boogeyman your race uses to hide your own demons and guilt?

>>123352206
I find that very offensive and disturbing.

>>123350236
Best Ally
Here have some F-35s

>>123363896
Wait, weren't those shit when compared to F-22s?

>>123350990
Are there any feminist groups in israel?

>>123350236
Bruce Jenner will hang himself in his closet before the next presidential election. Shame.

>>123350733
It's gay regardless.

>>123364330
Isn't it more likely that an MtF tranny would slit her wrists? Hanging is usually preferred by males.

>>123356064
if you would know about the field, you'd know that these results failed replication. the rate of ''false hits'' in neurscience is 1/20, so if you measure hundreds of brain structures between two groups, you will find a few significant differences. That's why we replicate research results. And that's why they failed replication. There is nothing particular about the transgender brain. It's only people who have been misguided by the feminist concept of gender.

>>123364976
He's still a man,penis or otherwise. Can't wait to see how the kardashians use it to further their show.

>>123358738
David Reimer

>>123364200
I've heard there are many, but Israel also has a huge orthodox population, so not sure how the media presents feminism there.

>>123358921
Transgenders have neither brain differences, or genetic/biological abnormalities. That's a myth. Comparing girls with CAH to transgenders is like comparing Rachel Dolezal to an albinos African. One of them is a biological abnormality, the other one is imagination.

>>123350236
>Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic found that 70% to 80% of adult transgenders who had refrained from undergoing gender-reassignment surgery report that their feelings dissipate over time.
I hope this is true for my own sake

>>123354608
AGP? Dates women?

>>123350236
Cecilia Dhejne, who conducted the first study, has repeatedly stated that McHugh radically misinterpreted her findings. She even agreed to be interviewed on the subject.

http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

>Dhejne: I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences.
..

>Of course trans medical and psychological care is efficacious. A 2010 meta-analysis confirmed by studies thereafter show that medical gender confirming interventions reduces gender dysphoria.

..
>Dhejne: The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.

>What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means.

..
>Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

>>123359627
Does she know that you are a closeted gay guy?

>>123350236
You like studies, right? How about one showing that pre-HRT transsexuals who are exclusively attracted to their birth sex have brains which look like a cross between those of men and women, leaning toward the sex they identify as?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/

>Untreated MtFs and FtMs who have an early onset of their gender dysphoria and are sexually oriented to persons of their natal sex show a distinctive brain morphology, reflecting a brain phenotype. These phenotypes are different from those of heterosexual males or females; the differences affect the right hemisphere and cortical structures underlying body perception. The genesis of these phenotypes might be caused by atypical effects of sex hormones or their metabolites in specific cortical regions of MtFs and FtMs. These effects of hormones on the cortex suggest the hypothesis that brain differences between homosexual MtFs and FtMs and male and female controls are due to differences in the development of the cortex; this hypothesis would imply that the thinning process undergone by some regions of the cortex is timed differently in each phenotype.

>The review of the available data seems to support two existing hypotheses: (1) a brain-restricted intersexuality in homosexual MtFs and FtMs and (2) Blanchard’s insight on the existence of two brain phenotypes that differentiate “homosexual” and “nonhomosexual” MtFs. The studies on the effects of cross-sex hormone treatment on the brain of MtFs and FtMs consistently indicate dramatic effects on the gray and white matter after short- to medium-term treatments but the long-term effects on the brain require evaluation. Finally, the postmortem studies should be interpreted in light of these in vivo findings as well as of their underlying mechanisms.

>>123350236
>things we already knew

>>123367744
Does this study separate the confounding effects of hormones?

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>>123354903
Oh does it?
Or should I ask
>Do you think this excuses them from the gas chambers?

>>123351687
really? you stole his thumbnail, it's more retarded mistake than he did

>>123350236
So, cool, birth-sex-attracted transsexuals are basically neurologically intersexed. We've shown that. That the others are not intersexed in the same way means they're just delusional men, right? Nooope.

http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.full

>Berglund et al. (2008) tested the response of gynephilic MtF transsexuals to two sex pheromones: the progestin-like 4,16-androstadien-3-one (AND) and the estrogen-like 1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol (EST). Despite the difference in sexuality, the MtFs' hypothalamic networks activated in response to the AND pheromone, like the androphilic female control groups. Both groups experienced amygdala activation in response to EST. Male control groups (gynephilic) experienced hypothalamic activation in response to EST. However, the MtF subjects also experienced limited hypothalamic activation to EST. The researchers concluded that in terms of pheromone activation, MtFs occupy an intermediate position with predominantly female features. The MtF transsexual subjects had not undergone any hormonal treatment at the time of the study, according to their own declaration beforehand, and confirmed by repeated tests of hormonal levels.

Gynephilic MTFs respond to pheromones in a predominantly female way. Furthermore transsexuals had BSTc the size of the gender they identified, not their birth sex, regardless of orientation.

Epilogue: suck my dick OP only Mizrahim vote for Bibi.

>>123350236
Alright /pol/, if you really believe the things you say then here is your chance to help a tranny. I've been struggling with gender for a while and have always wanted to be a girl since childhood. My dad and step father tried killing it but it didn't work.

Now im sitting here trying to sort myself out and have an appointment with a therapist for this soon. If you really believe its all bullshit, save me some money and show me what the absolute truth is. Show me im a deluded retard.

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>>123368144
Part of what it is studying is the effect of cross-sex hormones on the brain, so yes. Such structures were found in individuals before they went on cross-sex hormones.

Transsexuals aren't literally the other sex, but the truth is more complicated than them just being delusional either. They're essentially intersexed to a degree. Neither the left nor the right will accept this because it doesn't fit their simplistic narratives.

>>123350236
>ctrl+f
>not a single SWEDEN NO
I am disappointed guys

>>123352444
>#notalljews
And yet, they've been doing the same bullshit for thousands of years.

Really makes you think.

>>123369108
You're not a deluded retard, you have a mental condition.
It's not uncommon, but the treatment just makes the problem worse instead of taking it away.
What I try to do is just become more comfortable with myself as a more feminine guy, as opposed to trying to become a woman artificially

>>123369108
IDK what the absolute truth is but jokes aside your life will not be worth living if you transition
Make sure your therapist knows you don't want to transition as they are likely to be a liberal in support of it
There are drugs available that will makes these feelings go away and since you're American you should be able to get access to them
Also just a thought, would you say that you have low testosterone? Do you do manly things or get on with manly men?

>>123350236
b-but we marched for science. how are you showing me a real study

>>123367744
yeah that's false. these results weren't replicated. it's very important because in neuroscience 1/20 of the data is wrongly significant. all neuroscientific research on trannies contradicts each other. even if this were true, the brain differences aren't causally linked to gender dysphoria. also, ''leaning towards the sex they identify as'' is wrong because it's only a handful of structures, not the entire brain. even if it was the whole brain, it would still need to be adjusted for size because cranial size is different between men and women. so your (((research))) is more like a collection of all the flaws in the neuroscientific research.

t. actual neuroscience student

>>123357698
They did a show on it. Because Jazz has had his body mutilated by hormone blockers, his cock never grew during puberty (no development of secondary sex characteristics.) He now does not have enough cock to turn into a trannyvag/open-wound, there isn't enough material to work with. Show was him receiving the news from doctror.

>>123370592
What a horrible fate, stuck as a trap instead of a pseudo-woman with a fake vagina

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>>123350236
>huh, really activates the ol melon

>>123370024
what the difference?
would you say that to someone with delusional disorder?
>you're not deluded, you have delusional disorder

i swear people understand nothing about mental illness. it's descriptive, not explicative.

"Gender reassignment surgery" will one day be looked at it in the same way we look at lobotomies and trepanning now.

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>>123370511
Any response to this pro-tranny intersex shills?

>>123370185
>Also just a thought, would you say that you have low testosterone? Do you do manly things or get on with manly men?
No, my levels were 100% normal when i had my blood checked. Though i've never been able to grow more than a small mustache (which is a blessing) while all they younger guys i meet at work all have full beards. I even still get carded for cigarettes at 23. Intrestingly enough, i had struggled with hormone really bad in school, with killer acne until recently. I look low test though, so i think that maybe it has more to do with receptivity than actual hormonal levels.

also, no. Not at all. I've literally never been into any sports whatsoever. Boring as can be. I don't do anything manly at all actually.

>>123370592
Yes, the use of these GNRH blockers should be criminal in children. This is an area I have researched on my own (sex hormones) unrelated to trans stuff, and recently there's all this talk of give 3 years people these drugs.

There are a handful of uses for these drugs including fighting estrogen senstitive cancers and chemical castration. Stopping puberty because of 'feelings' and permanently stopping the physical sexual maturation in a physically healthy body is medical negligence. I hope people lose their license. I am that serious over this.

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>>123370511
Wow, you sure read fast Jan. Promise me that you use your power for good. For example you could read about intellectual honesty, or about how it is usually a good idea to read something before you reject it.

>>123371403
Hi friend. 100% normal is, sadly, useless given today's ranges. I would need to know your actual T/Free testosteron/E2/SHBG/LH/FSH levels. A competent endocronologist will never tell you a hormone level is normal without explaining the ranges.

Normal T ranges are a disaster (I wont go on a rant) but a man needs at least 800. 247 is in the range of normal but is sick.

Your acne leads me to believe you are having either (A) T to E2 ratio problems (B) excess estrogen aromatization or (C) too much SHBG preventing your T from activating.

Your T receptors, assuming they are physically present in your gonads, are rarely bad. If so you would be secondary hypogondanic. In that case taking T shots would jumpstart you.

I understand if you dont want to share. But transititioning would be a last resort after getting your sex hormones worked over by a competent endo.

>>123371403
Also to add, the lack of facial hair, self described as boring, no manly activities - this is classic low T. Specifically the facial hair assuming your father/grandfather has it. Example Asians are bad at facial hair but it's not a T problem.

If you are unable to find a good doctor to check T/FSH/LH/Free T/SHBG/E2 get your own blood work done at privatemdlabs.com. it will cost about $100.

I know I come across autistic asking anons about their hormone levels but this is something I sperg out on.

>>123372220
I literally don't know them. I went my local doctor to have my hormonal levels tested to check if anything was out of order, since i was still struggling with terrible acne and accutane didn't help. She took my blood and didn't say much and kicked me out, cost like 100 bucks. I called a week later since i never heard any word and asked about my results and she just said they were normal.

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>>123350236
Just an anecdote, but : When I was a kid I thought I was special unique etc., and wanted to be asexual at one point. Later I wanted to get boobs. Later I wanted to be sterilized because 'who wants kids'.

Now I am a pretty normal dude. I shudder at the thought of someone medically acting on my whims as a child.

Wait they needed scientists to say flipping your penis inside out then taking a bunch of hormones was a bad idea long term?

>>123372677
Well actually, i think my dad can't grow a beard either. My brother has a bit of facial hair, but not much. My half uncle who i lived with for a year couldn't grow a beard either (and i know he's atleast bi). I think its more genetic, considering i went to the gym for a solid 4 months and went from 125 to 150 pounds in just muscle, since i can't gain weight. And i even asked a nutritionist why i couldn't gain weight and they said my testosterone is still very high since im so young.

If you have any other ideas, please shoot.

>>123372816
Ok. How long were you on accutane? Did you get any effect? It often gets worse around month 2-4 before fixing itself if it's non-hormonal.

Sucks that she didn;t understand. If you could press the office for the actual results it will be very helpful. I would also never go back there. Check out the site in my other reply and get your values drawn.

You may be trans. You might also just have a broken endrocrine system. If it's endrocrine there are thousands and doctors out there who spend all day just fixing this issue.

Merchant, you're all right. Wouldn't gas/5

>>123372220
This. "normal" testosterone levels today are not normal in the slightest. Went to a public hospital to check my T because no facial hair and slow muscle growth, and they claimed everything was fine. Forked over the shekels to go to a private clinic, and the doctor shot me up with testosterone immediately.

>>123358628
Who wouldn't accept free money faggot?

>>123373221
Ok cool. You don't have the genetics to become huge and super manly, but I am not convinced you are actually a woman.

125# to 150# is nothing to sneeze at. What is your height and age? And the nutritionist means well but they very rarely know anything about hormones besides insulin. Her response to you trivializes your situation.

>>123371403
>my levels were 100% normal
the acceptable ranges are very wide, so even if you fall in the lowest part of the range, the doc will say you are 100% normal.

also, i'm not sure if its wise to get test boosters when you are relatively young, e.g. under 40, because i thought it shuts down your natural test production and forces you to supplement on an ongoing basis. Perhaps your natural production comes back after a while once you stop boosting, but I don't know.

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>>123358628
yep.
just because an israeli makes a good post about trannies doesn't give him carte blanche to excuse the treachery of his people

>>123373221

It's just genetics. My dad can't grow a beard either and has been skinny as a stick his entire life. I'm the exact same way. People seem to think that lack of facial hair means lack of testosterone but that's just silly. No amount of testosterone is going to make you grow hair if your own genes don't even code for that. No amount of eating is going to make you gain weight if your genetics aren't even going to allow it. I've been 135 pounds all of my teenage and adult life and none of the diets I've ever tried have managed to put me above 140. I'm 32 years old and my weight has been roughly the same for nearly 20 years.

>>123374023
The modern ranges are created from a sample of men ages 18-90 yrs old w/o a diagnosis of hypogodanism or cancer. To say a man in his 20s should have the hormone levels of a 85yr old and is "normal" is a scam.

T boosters are a meme for the most part. A healthy functioniong male can boost his natural T production slightly, but it will not always boost. All hormones reach a stasis point. Supplementing via TRT will shut off natural production, but it can be restarted to whatever levels were present before TRT. takes about 4 weeks.

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>>123355778
>conveniently not posting a single link in 2015+2
>not even trying to pretend good faith, just straight to the bait

>>123373221
bro have you ever fucked a woman?

>>123374164
I agree somewhat. Lack of facial hair can be genetic, as likely with you, or it can be hormonal. It's just 1 sign.

Do you want to gain size/weight?

>>123374164
>No amount of eating is going to make you gain weight if your genetics aren't even going to allow it.
now thats just plain retardation. please visit /fit/

As someone who watches tranny porn regularly the common trend for them is to continually get plastic surgery. It's an image issue and it only gets worse as time rolls on. A 30 year old tranny ain't pretty, and by 40, 50 their face looks like the monster mash and there's no recourse but to off yourself.

Then there's the naturally ugly dudes who think transitioning is going to turn them into supermodels instantly.

These people need anti-psychotics.

>>123350990
ah, there it is.
>muh BASED nationalist israeli jews
>zionists are the good guys, it's those international jews that are bad
typical tricks, schlomo

>>123374509
>T boosters are a meme for the most part.
just to be clear, since i'm ignorant of the correct lingo, are you saying TRT is not worth it? Or perhaps you mean t boosters as something else.

>>123358628
>>123356696

You should be glad that we're pouring money into Israel, it's how we control Israel's internal politics.

>>123373833
>but I am not convinced you are actually a woman.
neither am i, but it keeps coming back every time i repress. I thought maybe it was becouse i was a virgin, so i picked up so girl who was crushing on me hard from one of my jobs and got with her for a month or so. Sex was pretty boring actually, making out was way more fun. But i got bored of her after a month and dumped her.

23 y/o, 5'10.

>>123373446
>How long were you on accutane? Did you get any effect?
6 months, it worked and now my lips are permanatly chapped. Cleaning up my diet seems to fix the acne that came back, but i keep accidently eating grains from time to time and they cause me to break out. Also excercise and what not.

>You may be trans.
the worst part of all this, is that "you may be trans" makes me feel happy, even though trans people are sick and disgusting. My mom thought i was gay in high school becouse of all my tight jeans and that i spent 300 on a hair straightener.

>>123374840
I used to want to gain weight because teenager body image issues. I don't really give a fuck anymore.

>>123374927
You think I haven't been on /fit/? I've tried every diet under the sun. Nothing works.

>>123375029
because women in porn never get plastic surgery ?

>>123374633
yes, see >>123375448

>>123356699
>>123350980
they make tons of money and get to make degenerates kill themselves

>>123375507
same with this guy. I literally gain NO fat at all, other than my thighs. They always say "your not eating enough, if you actually count your calories you'll find that your eating alot less than you think".

>>123375199
TRT is the best thing you will ever do if your T levels are low. T boosters, like herbs or whatever, are the meme. Injecting actual T (testosterone replacement therapy) will shut your natural production off, but it will bring it to a level you can control & thrive at.

>>123375819
So, you actually counted your calories and consistently ate above your maintenance and you didn't gain weight? I call bullshit on that

>>123361044
>>123361282

I have some requests. If there are legitimately, say, about 15k actually biologically determined transsexual people, how many people are there in the USA which claim to be?

Taking in the suicide rates, and success rates of suicides within transsexuals, how many MORE 'transsexuals' actually die because of the leftist ideology pushing them to that end, than would die among that 15k, even assuming every actual transsexual killed themselves.

Basically: is the narrative pushing more people to suicide than would otherwise actually happen if it didn't exist?

>>123375945
any recommendations on how to go about getting on TRT? Is it best to go to a doc or do the order via internet thing?

>>123376209
yea. suck a dick roach.

>>123375819
>They always say "your not eating enough, if you actually count your calories you'll find that your eating alot less than you think".

They say that, but it is factually incorrect. My wife is a bit overweight so she counts her calories and it does help her, but once I did it for giggles and it turns out I eat about twice the amount of calories she does in any given day.

>>123376209
Call bullshit all you want, the truth remains true whether you believe it or not.

>>123350236
Yea dude people generally are weak minded and get bored then make rash decisions like these only to find the grass was never greener on the other gender. Serves them right.

>>123372878
If you'd been born 10-15 years later you would have been put on hormone blockers and never grown a cock.

>>123368997
Maybe they're just gay?

>>123371641
i know this literature by heart, shlomo. unlike you.

>The treatment for schizophrenia isn't to tell the sufferer to listen to the voices

>The treatment for anorexia isn't to tell the sufferer to get liposuction

>The treatment for gender dysphoria is to tell them to become the gender they mistakenly think they are

One isn't like the other.

>>123376351
>>123376472
Listen you fucking retarded faggots. If your body burns 2k calories/day and u eat 2.5k, its going to store the extra calories and ur gonna gain weight. Period. The energy u consume from food doesn't magically disappear. You are lying pieces of shit and you either didn't count your calories or you calculated wrong. kys

>>123350236
they only kill themselves because no one will have sex with them

>>123377035
I have to agree.

>>123375448
Ok. I really appreciate what you've told me. At this point I am super curious what your Estrogen/Estrodial levels are.

Grain causing you to flare up - thats really good you figured this out so young. It can take people decades to learn that. On an outside chance google 'leaky gut' and see if you think that describes you.

I don't think you're broke so all I can really add is to get your blood drawn. I think your T levels will be <400, E2 will be 60+, and your free T will be <1%. This would explain a lot of what you've told me.

As for gay/straight/bi, you know where you fit and this is unrelated to a hormone based gender issue.

>>123371435
I unironically think it is worse than Auschwitz or any Holocaust meme. Physically mutilating and mentally torturing little kids, with parents, professionals and society complicit. Evil.

>>123377035

In a world where everyone is the same and perfectly healthy that might hold true for everyone. In the world we live in people have problems. Some people might not fully digest every bit of food that enters their body. Others might have issues that prevent those extra calories from converting to fat. The human body isn't some perfect thermodynamic system where everything that enters is converted to energy; some of it may never get converted in the first place due to digestion problems and flushed out of the body without ever getting used.

>>123377035
Laws of thermodynamics HATE him.

>>123350236
I think there's a difference between the gender dysphoria of "I want to be a woman, because I'm tired of paying for dinner" and the "I've struggled with this my entire life". I digress, There's been studies that pretty much prove Gender dysphoria as a lifelong disorder.

Also, here's a redpill...
Depression is caused by social stigma.
>Liberal wants to get rid of beauty standards by proclaiming that everyone is beautiful
>Always in constant anxiety over being told that they're ugly, when they are "Ugly and proud".
>Self perpetuating their own depression

Transgendered people are going to be socially stigmatized no matter what. The ONLY thing that helps them isn't the initial transition (Hairy faggot grows boobs), nor is it the unseen transition (Harry faggot has dick turned inside out), but it's the outside transition, whether they can socially pass for the opposite sex. Pumping estrogen into a biological man doesn't make this person automatically happy.

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>>123374551
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8931882

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18777233

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23857516

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4151903/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18331254
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959255

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25495275
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12575757
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15611964
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12394744

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16624884

>>123376828
Like you know how to capitalize?
>I know every study by heart you piece of shit
lol

>>123361777
>>123362360
>ČECH'ED

>>123377391
>'leaky gut'
thats old news. Not sure how true it is, but i tried just about everything - even probiotics and water kefir at one point.

whats your conclusion then, doc? Assuming my hormonal levels are all good.

>>123376347
Go with a doctor. There are tons of male only clinics popping up everywhere. Family doctors are getting into it too, the patent for a pellet form on T recently expired and rebought, so there is a new company pushing it aggressively through family doctors.

I prefer injectible. You can order online ilelgally, but it's not worth it. T is dirt cheap with a prescription anyway, and if you go to an endocrinologist or male clinic they can give any changes or estrogen blockers, etc.

It's literally a subtype of schizophrenia.

The undiagnosed schizophrenia rate has sky-rocketed in our society because of the anti-insight attitudes of liberals.

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>>123369466
You truly are my greatest ally.

>>123375029
I've never had plastic surgery in my life. Don't compare people to porn stars! Of course they're all fucked up in the head.

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>>123350990
Thanks for the tip Greatest Ally

>>123377855
thanks

>>123377600
Supposedly that your body cant perfectly process a full calorie and can only convert 80% of it to energy. That means that ur maintance is 20% higher to make up for the lost energy. Jesus Christ how dense.

>>123350236
yup they are mentally ill

>>123377851
Leaky gut is wrong most times, but when it's right its a super good fit.

If your hormones come back as a virile healthy male (and not "normal") then your endocrine system is that of a male's. I will be the first to admit I don't know enough about the psychological and brain aspect of trans to tell you anymore than that, and that you deserve better care than what's been offered you until now.

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>>123350236

The sad thing is, these findings are nothing new.

Doctors have known about this for decades, but it's such a huge political issue that nobody wants to do the right thing and actually help people.

So they'll continue to die. So we can feel progressively smug about more stuff.

>>123350236
Good post, we need more of them.
Someone should spread this.

>>123378272

I wish we could all have perfect bodies like you, anon. The rest of us just have to make due with what we've got, I suppose.

>>123375448
Dude, only you know yourself. If the thought of "you may be trans" makes you happy just be trans. That's fine. Being trans doesn't make you gay. I have fucking c cups and a 9 inch dick and I only fuck pussy. Just be yourself. If you want long straight hair and to look like a supermodel just do it. Just remember to moisturize and keep your stress low or you'll get old fast and also PS you WILL get old so ask yourself if you're ok being an old lady. Literally the only person stopping you is yourself. For me, I had no vision of my future self and was a fat fuck. Now I see how I want my life to go and am 100% happy. But I'm 6'4 and have a 9 inch cock, so YMMV. For full disclosure I do have a neurological disorder so /pol/ isn't totally BS though. But from my perspective its like DUH of course this is a disease or disorder or whatever you want to call it. Who would WANT to be this way? Life would be SO SO much easier if every man was a macho alpha man, and if every woman was a loyal and submissive? But that doesn't change the fact that I AM this way. Also gender and sexuality are bullshit. Just be yourself. If people call you sir, roll with it. If people call you miss, just roll with it. If people assume you're gay, they are just insecure with themselves (unless you are gay, which is fine.)

The important point is don't fucking make life choices based on what works for others. Just ask yourself bro/sis.

PPS: I had like super low T levels also.

>>123377851
Should also add that going the femininzing hormone route male to female is easier than female to male. T is like a one way gate. Once it hits a certain level permanent physical changes occur, and a ftm can't go back.

mtf is really just shut off T/LH/FSH production and grade up estrogen. What you choose to do with your body after that is where the irreversible comes in.

>>123378169
n/p anon. This is my special interest

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>>123350236
TL;DR
>"being born in the wrong body" is really just a mental disorder.
also, duh pic related

>>123378644
lmao what a defeatist cuck. You are not some special snowflake that is just impossible to gain weight no matter what. You are a lazy piece of shit that doesn't want to put the work in and ur making excuses. And you know what, its fine as long as u admit that getting bigger isn't your thing.

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>>123378719
>Who would WANT to be this way?
Cultists of the great mother. There are more than you think.

>>123378719
>Also gender and sexuality are bullshit.
Um....No....they are actual constructs that have biological and psychological meaning. If they were "bullshit" we wouldnt be having this conversation?

>>123350236
Even do i havent checked those links (i will do later) i praise you for puting forward some decen arguments with sources.

>>123377709
dude if you're gonna embarrass yourself by not answering the arguments, just don't reply. at least then we'd just assume you're gone... now we all know you're a retard.

>>123379160

Whatever you say, man. Let me guess you have a PHD and you know absolutely everything there is to know about the subject? Since you're so smart, let me propose this instead: how about instead of denying that what I say about my own diet is true, how about using your vast wealth of knowledge to figure out what might be causing the problem instead of denying that it exists in the first place? Looking forward to hearing your diagnosis, doc.

>>123377679
the fact that you consider this an argument reveals that you have no idea what you're talking about. all these articles taken together contradict each other, and many of these studies were made on transgenders after they received HRT treatment. at least you tried.

>>123378429
well thanks, Im glad that atleast one /pol/tard has some sense of civility. I honestly hit all the checklist for being a tranny freak. I still get dysphoria really bad, especially now. I think the brain argument is bs,
I believe it was stated that the brain argument is bunk because of the amount of variances on an individual basis (regardless of sex) are far to great to actually draw any form of actual conclusion. The brain is the go to argument because no human will ever have the mental capacity to actually understand the brain.

>>123378719
thats my plan. I've been slogging through life totally depressed wanting to die after highschool. But i havn't been unproductive. I bought some land and put a single wide trailer on it, and have an amazing job. Even if i came out to them they probably wouldn't care, im an investment to them since they think im some sort of super genius. I came out to only one person i know in real life and she was literally saying (please don't be gay) lol. Im pretty gay though also.

>>123379956
Your problem is that you are a passive aggressive faggot that can't count calories. DIAGNOSED

>>123380222

Thanks for admitting your an absolute moron who cannot even conceive of something existing outside of his extremely narrow field of knowledge. I think we can end this conversation now.

>>123379956
Assuming your calories are correctly counted, which I will take your word for, and if your hormones point to enough androgens to build mass, you simply are not digesting food properly. Malabsorption has many causes. I have not gotten too far into it offer a suggestion about a fix. Have you ever talked to a doctor about this? Does IBS/chrons/chronic anxiety run in your family?

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>>123379963
Prove your claim of the alleged contradiction """student""" instead of talking.

>>123380222
>checked
but thats bs. My guess is that people like me and him have some form of disorder. Either a form of diabetes (i've suspected for myself since i have a 'womans bladder') or some form of malabsorbtion caused by an intestinal problem, such as when intentions can't properly digest bread in people who have gluten intolerance.

but hey, your greek so i can't expect you to have any intellectual capacity. IM RIGHT AND YOUR WRONG AND BLAH BLAH BLAH

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>>123379956
Sort yourself out anon
Be high agency

>>123380175
You're welcome. Only thing I can add is: the dysphoria is psychological in nature. High estrogen levels, or a wonky T/E2 ratio, will take any psychological issue you have and ramp it up 100x.

But get your levels checked!

I'm bi, have known it sense a teenager, my attraction regardless of how my hormones or mood is is there for both genders. It was a huge relief to finally admit it.

>>123377851
Remember that probiotics alone don't help. You have to feed the guy bacteria. They eat insoluble fiber. You need to be eating fibrous plant matter daily to keep your guy bacteria alive otherwise they starve and die. You also need to stop eating preservatives because they inhibit bacterial growth. That's their purpose which is fine in a box but in your gut that's the opposite of what you want.

>>123379281
I'm interested in this! Where can I read more?

>>123350236
Why would I give a fuck? They deserve to die.

>>123380540
I have talked to my doctor and he has run some tests on me (none of which I remember because it was a decade or so ago) and he said I was fine. He told me I need to watch my weight because it can be dangerous if it drops too low and that sudden weight change can be a symptom of other bad things. My weight has remained steady my entire adult life so I guess I'm OK. One time my weight dropped to 120 when I was taking some ADD medicine which caused me to not have any appetite; I had to stop that because I thought it was going to kill me.

I do have IBS and I take medicine to help treat it. Since I started taking it I rarely have any issues with it, though every now and then if I overeat to the point of being comfortably full I have to take a trip to the potty shortly afterwards. The meds help with the extremely painful cramps and diarhea but whether the IBS causes some sort of malabsorption that isn't treated by the meds or if the malabsoption is caused by some other issue entirely I don't know

>>123361656
the problem solves itself, doesn't it?

>their suicide mortality rose almost 20 times above the comparable nontransgender population.

Stopped reading here. Statistics don't work like that. Why is there a need to bend it when the truth can stand on its own?

>>123381516
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hymn_to_the_mother_of_the_gods
http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/momma.html
I don't necessarily endorse everything she says, but it's something to work with:
http://www.cybele2.com

>>123381689
Oh lol if you have IBS you should have opened with that before getting into a flamewar with a greek.

Something is amiss with your guts. The IBS and lack of weight gain via malabsorption are both sides of the same coin. Your ADD is also likely caused by this.

I am going to go out in left field here, but I want you to research GHRP. It is fantastic at a few things, one of which is causing intestinal cells to grow. I am not saying you necessarily need to try it, but I have a feeling you would see benefits. See GHRP2 specifically, or GHRP6. The ghrp series is a huge thing to wrap your head around but I think you're smart enough to draw your own conclusions about using GHRP or other peptides for digestion fixes.

And ADD medicine is relabeled meth basically/ That's why you had no appetite.

>>123350236
The study wouldn't control for factor such as job discrimination and harassment that still drive suicide numbers. It's really only within the past 5 years in western countries that trannys weren't a joke to the majority of the populace.

The stuff about kids is important though. Parents taking a kids curiosity and hooking them on hormones as a child is messed up and misguided.

>>123377664
Schizophrenia is also a lifelong disorder. We don't go around appeasing schizophrenic delusions, why do we appease this delusion?

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IBS can be caused by serotonin issues as they affect the gut. Most schizophrenics have IBS too but they don't even mention it unless asked because of all the other problems they have.

>>123369972
If it were anything but a relatively small group the world would be far more chaotic than it already is.
If this is the world we get with only say 0.5% of the Jews meddling ("driving things"), does it look better or worse with 99.5% doing the driving?
To my mind it must be similar to U.S. government for its ~240 years: it wasn't all the white men driving (it wasn't even only white, or even only men, just overwhelming white & male) it's only a small fraction of them.
The same principle applies to the JQ.

To the Jews-not-Kikes variant of Jewish people: get your house in order or you'll be expelled from the U.S. or thrown into ovens. That's just how it works. When the KKK was going nuts in America it was white people who stood up and said "Okay, enough! Your hoods are illegal in public." That was _not_ everywhere in the U.S., just in the majority of places such that there were few places for them to hide.
Today the KKK is statistically non-extant; a few thousand people out of ~320M.
It was white people alone who drove them back into the shadows; they could not have been driven into the shadows by a population that didn't exceed 10%.
I posit that the non-Kike variant of the Jewish people have this same obligation. Get your house in order & under control or face the consequences. And please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not threatening anyone here I'm reminding people of historical events: if you guys don't fix the meddling problem the societies in question will. When it reaches that point you will have zero say in how things are handled.
It's long passed the time you dealt with your bad eggs.

>>123384220
Except it's not a delusion. /pol/ comes up with the strawman that trannies believe they're women. They know they're not. However, between orchiectomy and estrogen, one can attain the secondary characteristics of a woman. That can sometimes be enough to live in the guise of one--to look, walk and quack like a duck. And anyway, this is Western society's way of dealing with the problem, not ours. In Pakistan, there are three sexes recognized by the state. I wouldn't mind being categorized as third, or other. I know I am. Everything's so black-and-white thinking, that the solutions we come up with are ham-fisted.

>>123384890
It is objectively a delusion. We can tell from the chromosomes.

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>>123384975
A delusion is the belief in something that's not true. At what point have I expressed an untrue belief? Again, that would require that I say "I am a woman." I have not. You're wrong. I'm sorry to break it to you, anon.

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>>123385331
The belief that you are a woman but born as a man is a delusion. Sorry if that was unclear.

>Injecting female hormones into a man and cutting off his dick is good
>Giving him male hormones to feel more masculine is bad
Leftism is a disease

Can someone explain to me, I'm genuine, how giving humans (even children) hormones = perfectly healthy = good science but giving cows and other animals we consume hormones = very unhealthy for the animal and the animals consuming it = also good science?
Usually the crowd complaining about hormones given to animals to maximize profits are lefties who also are the ones saying it is healthy to give children hormones? Makes no sense on my side of town. Also, are people given hormones now to maximize profits? Trannys on hormones probably spend money much faster, use up "government services" more and commit more crimes / chaos in ordered society like all other mentally ill folks, maybe the hormones multiply it.
Maybe we really are just cattle

>>123386584
I spend roughly $200 a year on hormones. It's not expensive. I don't require frequent visits to the doctor or anything. Yeah, there's a subset of people who have a distorted image of themselves (like anorexics, or people who obsessively work out) but that's something that can affect anyone. If you don't have a strong, internal self image then you're susceptible to marketing techniques that exploit your insecurities and tell you that you're inadequate and the company has the cure. That's modern life. Personally, I deal with that through faith.

As for animals, the males are castrated because the funk they produce is considered undesirable in meat. I'm pretty sure growth hormones have been banned for years, but if they are being used it's all about money. If they can get a quicker, larger return on their investment and the government doesn't stop them, they're gonna do it.