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>same language
>same genetics
>same faith

Give me one reason why this shouldnt become reality and Ill leave this board forever.
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You are the Nigger of Europe
>Go back DATAMINER FAGGOT
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TARTAR
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>>123231957
1/3 of Fyrom is Muslim, no thank you.
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>>123231957

Yes, this would be a great thing for thing for the Balkans, considering you are the same people.
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>>123232202
The Muslim part is given to us
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>>123231957
>le union
That's not going to be accepted by us, pal why would we sacrifice renaming the oldest country which has never changed its name to this day for ~30k sq km. If we are going to have Macedonia in our borders it's still going to be Bulgaria fuck that federation bullshit.
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>>123232308
I never thought of post-communist Albania (or Kosovo, for that matter) as Muslim countries.
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>>123232308
No it will be completely burned to the ground and then turned into a minefield so your "people" never cross again on this side.
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>>123232202

Population exchanges are your friend. Remove all Albanians.

A Bulgarian - Macedonian reunion would be a great thing in this globalized world. Would be a shame if it didn't happen.

Yes, at the start, it would be tough for Bulgarians, as they are 3x richer than Macedonians, but the people would be okay with it in the name of brotherly love. A merger would be beneficial in the long term considering the increased work force and becoming bigger players internationally. Of course, it is also risky, as if Bulgaria takes on too many "hardcore macedonians," we would be divided and not united. But I think ultimately, when the Macedonians see that they are literally the same as Bulgarians in every way, hardcore Macedonism will die down.

If I'm Macedonian, I am begging for this to happen as it means my instant entrance into the EU
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>>123232308
this. based albro
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>>123231957
>Bulgaria
You should abandon that ugly turkic tribename which you have nothing to do with genetically, racially or culturally.
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>>123232631
>albro
Have fun with Albania as a neighbouring country
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>>123231957
i'm okay with this
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>>123232308

This is an option, yes.

A preferable option is to just have all the Albanians is Macedonia move to Kosovo.
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>>123232471
One thing is certain, Serbs will need to go back to Serbia.
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>>123231957
Give me one reason my country shouldn't annex all of Europe, Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand, ban Islam, sterilize everyone world wide under 92 IQ, and mandate the teaching of English in every school from day 1 and continuously through university, that isn't an appeal to emotion or some amorphous sense of right and wrong?
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>>123232777
Checked
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>>123232702
You should be happy, no more history stealing. Also, pls gib Kavala back :(
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>>123232782

Because US are the ones literally funding ISIS. And you are run by kikes.
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>>123232852
>back
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>>123232061
No we aren't

Stop taking /pol/ memes for reality
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>>123232643
We have a special letter to pronounce it, we like it very much, thank you.
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>>123232852
>what is Bucarest treaty?
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>>123232978
Based bъlgarians using Thracian sounds
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>>123233107
meant for >>123232932
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>>123233281
>held it for a little while
>yours
hmmmm
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>>123232940
>justifying anything to a western cuck
I see now why pol has a gayish reputation
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>>123232643
The greeks stole parts of thrace after second balkan war and first world war so if we renamed our country to "Thrace" or "Trakia" the idiots would probably veto any entry into any treaty
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>>123233667
>stole
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>>123231957

Back off, that is our clay.
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>>123233752
Ok, we lost it in a war we started because the serbs betrayed the deal to hand over all of Macedonia. However you can't disagree we have as much claims to Thrace as you do. Solun is a whole another topic as it's never been captured by us.
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>>123232643

Why? They were fucking boss.
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>>123233851
no it isn't, leave it, we have waged wars for it, but leave it as it's shit and we don't need it

just fucking leave it
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>>123233851
*blocks your path*
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>>123233955
>betrayed the deal
And you betrayed YOUR deal to provide troops to enforce Serbian claims in the Adriatic coast
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>>123232308
This my friend with the best flag on Earth ....
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Bulgaria is full of gypsy fucks. Your language is shit. Your history is shit. Your people are shit. Fuck off. The Balkans are the niggers of Europe and we ALL go under that category. Might as well commit mass suicide.
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>>123233955
Bulgaria has no historical or ethnic claim to Thrace lol

Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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This so much..... >>123234129
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>>123234063
Macedonia is actually richer than you.
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>>123234063
You agree on Serbian partition if they start shit over FYROM? We'll give you land, Kosovo to Albania, Independence to Vojvodina (or give it to Hungary if they agree to participate) and we'll take Pirot. Deals?
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>>123234129
t. Srboje Falseflagovic
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>>123234301
>tatar fantasies
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>>123234129

Quite a negative mentality you have. Also, speak for yourself.

Balkan as a whole is not shit. Your country, as well as Serbia and Albania are. But Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Greece (although broke) and Hungary are quite nice.
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>>123232643
>one of the oldest country names to date that remain unchanged

Your country isnt even yours anymore.
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>>123234301
We don't and you'll cave under our pressure so no deal
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>>123234202
>>123234129
We speak the same language, you share genes with us, you steal our history and you tell us our language and people are shit? This has to be a joke. Seek medical attention.
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>>123234301
>tatar fantasies

every time you pulled your dirty tatar hand on serbia you lost, what makes you so certain you won't loose this time again?

also, my point was is that serbs don't need macedonia you can have it, just fucking go away
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>>123234469
This
Yesterday make journalist was in Bulgaria going "Hjelp Tatars pls Hjelp"
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>>123234422
Who even mentioned you? All we have to do is wait for ur poor country to collapse and we'll annex everything up to Solun. Stay mad crypto turk
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Thrace has been Bulgarian for 1000 years. Not to mention that Bulgarians are the most closely related to Thracians.
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"""Macedonia"""
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>>123231957
Shill thread
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>>123234227

Macedonia is richer than Serbia. Top kek. Didn't know this, but not surprised.

Top kek
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>>123232570
Brotherly love in Balkan. Holly KEK
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>>123234649
1v1 we rape serbia. Its just a proven fact.
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>>123234649
>every time
someone doesn't know history.
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>>123234649
?
Theres not a single time we lost
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>>123234469
>same language
With the Russians too, so what?
>share genes with us
Last time I checked fyromlads weren't tatars
>our language and people are shit
They are
>>123234684
lmao, you'll have to wait for more than a decade to even reach us and that is IF we stay the same way we did
>>123234694
ahem
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>>123234649

>you lost

Kek. Serbs are masters in the art of the backstab. But always lose anyways. Just look at the state of the country today.
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hello, rational people of /pol/
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>>123234921
Well last time I checked northern greeks were Bulgarian too, broke ass nigger
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>>123232782
Cause of 2020. RIP whites.
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>>123234921
Reach what, your debt rates and weekly strikes? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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An alternate Bulgaro-Macedonian flag. It can be used in Macedonia during the transitional period to appease nationalists. After the transitional period, it will be changed to the one above >>123231957
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>>123234694
that empire tho
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Do you like feet, pol?
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>>123235052
>northern greeks were Bulgarian
keep projecting Tatarov
>>123235110
Our first-worldness salty tatar
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>>123235052
Why not create a Bulgaria that actually includes macadamia and Greece? With the combined markets maybe they could become strong enough to hold the front against the jihadi scum
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>>123235589
>create a Bulgaria
*create a Greece
FTFY
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>>123235052
>broke ass nigger
see: >>123234227
3/10 for effort
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>>123235676

No. Greeks are turks
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>>123235535
Projecting? Dream on
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>>123235720
What does it matter when one is on upswing and the other one on a downswing?
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>>123235781
>football hoolingan banter
>proof
So this is the power of Bulgarian autism
>>123235769
And Turks have achieved way more than Tatars ever have
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>>123235769
This.
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>>123235589
Macedonians don't like Bulgarians much in the first place. this is more of a circlejerk than anything else. and Greece has had as much conflict with Bulgaria as with the 'jihadi scum', our relations have been good just since the end of communism, you need more time for that. the EU is good enough
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>>123235889
Somalia has higher GDP growth rate too.......
wow Greece btfo........
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>>123235911
>half of my country doesnt want to be called greek
>its all banter m8
Fuck off island turk
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>>123235911
>literal t*rk shitposting

Dont you have a caliphate to live in? Go back to your desert land.
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>>123235978
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Greece was given a historic chance of relevance and Byzantine restoration in 1918-21 and they blew it. Just divide it up between other nations or empty it as a nature reserve or something.
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>>123236133
That's Olympiakos mocking PAOK though
It's not Northern Greece not wanting to be Greek
You're really fucking retarded aren't you?
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>>123236066
Great comparison there, if I'd compare any country to greece it'd be Somalia
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>>123235889
Ethiopia is also on an 'upswing', at a far greater rate than you. This must make them superior.
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>>123234192
>Bulgaria has no historical or ethnic claim to Thrace lol
what a fucking retard
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>>123236136
>says the country that has been under Turkish contol for WAY longer and has WAY more Turks
>>123236381
>can't even post a proper smug pepe
For shame
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>>123236297
This
>>123236416
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>>123236470
>Doesn't check flag
Oh, anon....
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>>123236337
why are you biting the bait so hard

>>123236297
the Sevres gains were nothing like a Byzantine restoration. even then, our recent history has been one of territorial gain (not loss unlike a certain other country hehe). I guess I should take my own advice though. either way, I can't complain
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>>123236337
OK
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>>123236607
>biting the bait
lmao
>>123236633
I don't see any Bulgarians around :^)
So much for dve moreta
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>>123236545
Unfortunately for you it is no longer 2013. Good try though
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>>123236528
Unlike the greeks, we kicked your asses out when we freed ourselves.
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>>123236633
most of those Bulgarians left for Bulgaria after the Balkan Wars and with the treaty of Neuilly. the others who identified as Macedonians left for Yugoslavia after the Civil War

are you going to give us Melnik and the Black Sea coast any time soon or are you going to keep jerking about how great Bulgaria is, anyway?
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>>123236750
OK
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>>123236861
>Unlike the greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Greek_Independence
>we freed ourselves
*Russia freed you
FTFY
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>>123236870
OK ;)
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>>123232782

You don't have the power.
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>>123236999
should be called civil war
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>>123236999
>Russia freed you
Had it not been for the bulgarians at shipka the russian army in pleven would've been castrated. Learn history moron
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>>123236006
>Macedonians don't like Bulgarians
This is a meme. Only the hardcore nationalists don't. But they are hardcore nationalists, thus irrelevant. They are the same people with the same language. Macedonians would ultimately want a reunion, as Bulgaria is 3x richer, as well as the fact that it will mean they get entry into the EU.

>no longer 2013

But you are still losing thousands of Greek companies to Bulgaria. Watch this video. http://www.dw.com/en/bulgaria-greeces-poor-neighbor/av-18569609
>For the Greeks, what used to be the “poor neighbor” in the North has become the "promised land." As the economy collapses, many Greeks are seeking their luck in their EU neighbor: Bulgaria.
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>>123237094
>Bulgarian independence
It should be called Russo-Turkish War
Oh wait
It is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1877%E2%80%931878)
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>>123236999
Looking at that writing, its pretty sad all those greeks died for nothing.
Theres very little difference between the greeks and you.
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>>123236607

>the Sevres gains were nothing like a Byzantine restoration

>i-its n-not like w-we dint w-want to reclaim Constantinope o-or anything

Yeah right.
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>>123235371
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>>123235769
WAIT A MINUTE
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I don't hate Greece/Greeks.
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>>123231957
>Give me one reason
you were on a wrong side of a war 80 years ago
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>>123234063
Basically this. We really don't need that land (or at least the entirety of it), it's undeveloped and full of fucking albanians.
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>>123237216
>seeking their luck
>Literally setting their companies there to pay a much smaller tax and still setting their businesses in Greece
They don't call us seajews for no reason there diasporalad
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>>123237182

Here are scenes from the Shipka battle, 30 secs in. Ottomans getting BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XgyPAsb5Vo

Unrelated pic of Greeks getting BTFO
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>>123237276
Good boy
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>>123237356
>you were on a wrong side
wrong
we were on the right side but the bad guys won
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>>123237271
no one had plans of claiming Constantinople at the time but a castrated Turkey would have been good for both the Balkans and Europe in general, I think. either way, I'm sorry for taking your bait

>>123237216
it isn't a meme. talk to enough average Macedonians and you'll find what their views on Bulgarians are
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>>123237418

Seajews, I like it. Kek.

Only difference is, kikes have money :))
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>>123234936
This is like the tenth time I'm seeing this bulgar-leaf, why are you so fucking obsessed with Serbia and keen on posting this particular retarded picture?
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>>123237413
This all we need is RS, North Kosovo and unification with Montenegro really don`t care about the rest.
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>>123237444
You dropped this
>>123237526
Kikes have German money
We have German money too
Turns out we're the 13th tribe of Israel
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>>123237356
Being right was never easy. We proved it.
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>>123237526
But they at least have history, culture and a country that is actually relevant.
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>>123237583
Finally a realistic serb
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>>123237583
Yeah, we could take the whole of Kosovo but we would really have to banish all of the albanians.
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>>123237521

I have many Macedonian friends, that I have met at the Bulgaro-Macedonian church that I frequent. These Macedonians love Macedonia, but would also die for Bulgaria. I have met Macedonians in Bulgaria, who tell me that Bulgaria is the only country outside of Macedonia where they are treated as equals.

Educated Macedonians want a reunion, from what I have seen.
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>>123237356
that's how territory is won and lost. do you think the Bulgars and the Seljuks had empires because they were peaceful guys and not thugs from the steppe?
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>>123237686

Both Bulgaria and Greece have amazing history and great culture.

Difference is, Greece has no future.
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>>123237716
Tbh i would want all Albanians to die but ALL i want is >>123237583 and then we can economically improve in peace.
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>>123237593
>You dropped this

Kek. I like you. But you forgot this
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>>123237583

Montenegro is joining NATO and the EU. As long as you suck Russia's cock, you will only keep losing clay.
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>>123237526
And it may be difficult to push this through your gypsy, turkified skull but Greece is significantly richer than you, both in overall GDP and per capita.
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>>123236172
HU-BG guy?

On topic: AJDE BULGARIA
There will be opportunities soon. We have to rise up to the occasion and take them. With regards to Macedonia, might makes right and as soon as the albozerg and s*rbs start acting up we must move in to protect our citizens and interests.
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>>123237868
>Bulgaria
>amazing history and great culture

>Greece has no future
Wrong
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-IMF-Greece-policy/2017/04/24/id/786162/

>>123237973
>claiming the achievements of a Turkic guy
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>>123238053
Yea but still like 60% of people living in Montenegro would support unfication with Serbia the rigged referendum doesn`t mean anything.
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>>123237963
We can talk about this for as long as we want, but we need to acquire some actual authority first.
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>>123238053
wow look at this expert on politics here
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>>123232406
>>123232631
>>123232726
>>123234105

I love you.
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>>123238100
vassals need not apply with opinions
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>>123234413
I've been to BG on many occasions and it was much shittier than the other countries I've been to.
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R8
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>>123238053
Montenegro is going to be the second trojan horse in Nato for Russia.
Bulgaria being first.
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>>123238100
>Greeks calling other turkic
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>>123237732
Yea and its easier this way without 1 mil undeveloped Albanians they are just a economical burden we would have to carry same like in Yugoslavia.
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>>123238368
But Lubjco, you are still keeping your Bulgarian pasosh, aren't you?
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because it's bullshit
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>>123238368
O.K.
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>>123238476
Fuck off Pedro
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>>123238447
kek like most of our politicians
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>>123231957
Same with Romania and Moldova.
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>>123238447
Don't have one
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>>123238230
Everything will come in time the new generations are way more redpilled/nationalistic then the old ones.
The old people(Vucic voters) eventually have to die.
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>>123238368

Just so you understand, you're an idiot. Go vote Gruevski you faggot.
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>>123238390

Wrong. Bulgaria has broken the Russian chains. I wish the same for Montenegro and Macedonia.
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>>123238479
Wow that bitch is fake and ugly
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>>123238447

Kek
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>>123238403
Has it never occured to you that Greek DNA exists among Turks but not the other way around, which accounts for that
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>>123238765
Just like your country then
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>>123238734
>Wrong
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>>123238685
All of us voted Zaev, you cuck
>A FUCKING LEAF
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>>123238844
At least we aren't gypsy criminals
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>>123238798

Maybe, but how do you explain the #1 Greek footballer then?
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>>123238844
>>123238934
That union idea was fun for a while
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>>123238934
why are Macedonians so peaceful compared to Bulgarians?
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>>123238857
>voted Zaev

I'm proud of you
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>>123238934
Sure thing
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>>123231957
Macedonia has same language as Bulgaria?
Doba Veche
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>>123238934

You literally just broke into your parliament to throw a few punches at some politicians. Politicians who you would be better off with as well. It doesn't get more gypsy than that.
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>>123239003
Explain him how exactly? take a look at the rest of the team if youre unsure. There is bound to be at least one guy who looks a little eastern. Kinda like saying England is black because of Sterling, Rashford etc.
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>>123239426
why are you seriously arguing with a somewhat delusional diaspora shitposter
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>>123239211
How can beating (would be) thieves be a gypsy trait?
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>>123238592
Dude, no.

Unification with Moldova = even more commies.

Pls no. We already have enough cancer.
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>>123239148
this is untrue though and i don't even know why you fags keep perpetuating it
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>>123239426
Ill take a look at the best greek tennis player instead
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>>123238611

Get one senpai, you will be part of the great Empire once again.

I will admit, I am a Macedonian and Bulgarian as I've grown up under Pirin, don't fall into kike plans of trying to divide us. We are all hajduti.
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>>123238230
Also who do you think will lead the right(in our care far-right since everyone is right here) nationalists after Seselj dies?
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>>123234921
>With the Russians too, so what?
Lol what? Alphabet, not language. I understand only part of bulgarian words because it's slavic too, but i don't understand them when they speak, only some part (and in polish too).
Our language belongs to other subgroub of slavic groub (bulgarian and serbian - sout, our - east, we have completely other morthology)
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>>123239650
you forgot to mention he's half Malaysian, you cheeky Tatar
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>>123239961
I didnt bother to check
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>>123231957

macedonians are descendants of alexander the great. Bulgarians are descendants of mongols. No relation at all
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>>123234227
Such a sad picture... if only Tito was way worse than he was, maybe people would now know marxism leads to societal decay and poverty. But they don't.. they still think it can be done because of the few good memories. This shithole will always remain a shithole....
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>>123240227
Turks, not Mongols but yes
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>>123231957
Because it belongs to Greece.
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>>123234129
/thread

>Allying with inferior people

Fuck shqips and tatars, I'll only accept Greek annex
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>>123240227
Nice one,my Carantian friend.
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Why don't Bulgarians play chess with Macedonians?
Because Macedonians will steal their king.
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>>123240429
Lol
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>>123240280

turks are asians

bulgarians were and are indo-european

my swarthy adversary
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>>123240432
find one bulgarian king we 'stole' that wasn't from macedonia

i'll wait
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>>123240280

>Greeks saying others are related to turks

Kek. Just check the genetics chart in my pic to see who is a Turk.
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>>123240831

this, Samuel was an Armenian man living in Macedonia, he isn't Bulgarian but Macedonian
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>>123240227
>descendants of alexander the great
kek. What's a Slovenia btw?
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>>123232932
they probs speak Bulgarian anyway malyaka
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>>123231957
>Not include Western Macedonia
>Wants federation
Do you even know the history of Western Macedonia about The city of Tetovo about Gostivar debar and Monastery of Bigorski the hometown of Struga which was the hometown of Miladov brothers .WTF you just want pice of the land nothing else you don't want to help the Macedonians you are just like the shiptars
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>>123240831
kek

>>123240877
The only thing the Macedonians are right about, is Alexander. Why delusional southern Macedonian turks say Alexander is theres, I will never understand.
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>>123240831
samuil
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>>123240854
agreed. Bulgarians are a mix of Russians (Chuvash Bulgars) and Greeks as your map shows
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>>123234129
don't be so cruel to us macebro, we love you guys
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>>123241236

He is a pathetic serb living in Macedonia. Don't try and argue with him.
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>>123234921
greek education is apparently shitty
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>>123241236
>We love you guys
You want to leave west Macedonia to those barbarians which is debatable if they are human.
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>>123241068
>samuil
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>>123241236
If we go to Bulgaria as a last resort. We want all of our land to go there.
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>>123241679
DIS IS GUNA BE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
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>>123236861
>freed ourselves.
Kek.
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Watching Shqiptars and Bulgarians beat each others like animals.
What a time to be alive.
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Macedonians are everything bad in a Bulgarian, so no thanks.
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>>123241679
being born in the region of macedonia before the mid 20th century meant you were ethnic bulgarian
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>>123241557

No we don't. But is there any other option? We just want to give them the 2 or 3 cities that have a population of like 80% Albos. We're just being realistic, it's a very bad, unfortunate situation.
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>>123241679

Yes, because Macedonia was under the Bulgarian empire, you moron. The entirety of Eastern Europe was Bulgarian. His name is literally Samuel of Bulgaria. Stop being a delusional faggot.
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>>123241913
Gtfo. That's false as a moon being made of the sun. They hold 20 seats out of 120, which is basically 16.66667%, they don't want to be counted because they are less.
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>>123242091
>The entirety of Eastern Europe was Bulgarian
WE
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>>123242295

Oh fuck off Romanibro
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>>123242295
>""ROMAN""IA literally LARPING as the roman empire
>does not and has never controlled Rome
>Typing WE to Bulgarians

Post the same picture, you gypsy
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>>123242091
you said we steal "your" kings

>literally all our history is real and you appropriate macedonians
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>>123242503
thats not even a quarter

eastern europe ends at the urals and caucasus
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>>123242269
They are literally nothing more than a minority here. That's why the god damn fucking 2002 CENSUS STILL FUCKING PERSISTS, and because of EU/NATO pushing too much we literally sold our god damn country.
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>>123242503
Keep posting that image m8, I guess the clusterfuck of nations that is the Balkans appeared in last year.
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Serious question: Do macedonians unironically believe that they are descendents of alexander the great/ ancient makedonia?
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>>123242580
Enough with this. Romanians are bros.

>>123242618
You are a meme nation.
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>>123241913
>they are more then 80%
no they are lees I have house in Tetovo and my family is from Tetovo I think there are more then 20.000 Macedonians in Tetovo and 50.000 Apes(Albanians) the rest are Muslums Macedonians and some gypsies. The Shiptars are lees then 20% being from western Macedonia I know this. 4 years ago they even refuse to make population polls and many of them left and joined Kosovo so they can live in the empty Serbian land about the region of Mavrovo and Struga Kicevo And Prespa the majority is still Macedonian only the polog region(Tetovo and Gostivar ) has Albanian majoriuty but large Macedonian minority
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>>123231957
Why dont you give the land where the turks are majority ?
Fuck off with that cuck mentality... giving the muslims even more land, go kys
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>>123241557
i would not leave it to the damn nignog albos for nothing.
the Macedonian gypsies are basicly the albos
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>>123242703

I was specifically referring to the times of Samuel, as a response to why he was born in Macedonia. See>>123242091

Pay attention, Romanibro.
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>>123242580
>bulgaria roleplays as Bulgars or Thracians
>calls other people gypsy
Fuck off nigger, you are 5% gypsy and 8 % turkish.
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>>123242736
this is it

the only reason they are a big deal now is because our leftists gave them a platform
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>>123242091
>The entirety of Eastern Europe was Bulgarian
lol no

And the wiki also mentions this:
>Thus, the Russian-born Yugoslavian historian George Ostrogorsky distinguished Samuel's Empire from the Bulgarian Empire, referring to it as a "Macedonian Empire", although he claims that it was politically and ecclesiastically a direct descendant of the empire of Simeon and Peter, and it was regarded by Samuel and the Byzantines as being the Bulgarian Empire itself.[143] Some historians of the same school, such as the Serbian scholar Anastasijević, claimed even that Samuel ruled a separate Slavic Macedonian Empire founded as result of an anti-Bulgarian rebellion.[144]
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>>123242987
Yes because they sold our whole country for money basically.
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>>123242831
Most of the Bulgarians do they only care to take skopje ohrid and Prilep which is why many of us don't like you because most you want to leave the best land to those Islamic shits
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>>123242862
Do you have any proofs of bulgarian domination over in the Carpathians?
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>>123243129
>implying "best land" could be anything other than those cities
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>>123242951

Meh. The % of Turks is falling, and the ones that remain are white, not anatolian subhumans. They are very well integrated and voted 82% against Erdogan. Our Romanis are fleeing to Sweden and Germany, I'm sure the same goes for you guys. And yes, Bulgarians absolutely have Thracian, Bulgar and Slavic blood.

Basically, life is good Romanibro. Cheers!
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>>123243103
>yugoslav """"historians""""
filthiest fucking commie propaganda machines
trust me if i were somehow able to kill you all and your families i wouldnt histate for a second
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>>123243103
As usual the Serbs,behind every Balkanization possible.
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>>123243103
>lol no
From Greece to Ukraine. From the Black Sea to Croatia.

>Russian-born Yugoslavian historian

Top kek. Come on, Croatbro.
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>>123243351
true

and most of the YU commies were croats and slovenians
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>>123243303
You seem like a cool dude, but most bulgarians on /pol/ are obnoxious fucks who keep barking about Northern Dobrogea, even though there are less than 1% bulgarians .It's hard to be friends with someone like this.
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>>123243193
See pic attached
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>>123243302
You just think like that because you are idiot or don't know history and geography those land are very historical valuable for us . and almost all the natural resources including lakes ,Mines,Hydrocentrals ,and Wood come from Western Macedonia
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>>123243645
fuck them

i guess you got the same problem with "ethnic" montenegrins
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>>123243129
Ohrid. Nothing less.

>>123242951
>Bulgarians
>Role playing as Bulgars

Whatever helps you sleep at night, mamaliga emperor.
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>>123243129

Macedonia in its entirety is welcome to join with us. We just don't want Albos.

But yes of course Ohrid is the most important.
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>>123243103
this is it

it was a macedonian empire

pic related the samuel fort

see a bulgarian flag there? me neither
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>>123243302
West macedonia is best macedonia

south-west macedonia is best macedonia then north-west
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>>123241679
desu i don't care if hes bulgarian or not, we share history i love macebros and they deserve some praise since they have been bros for centuries
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What is the point of Macedonia? From what I understand it's a bunch of poorfag slavs pretending to be the descendents of Alexander the Great. It should be dissolved ASAP for the good of Europe
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>>123243351
>bulgarian """"""""historians"""""""""
Harr harr.

>>123243526
>retarded diaspora in Canada doesn't even know the borders of Eastern Europe nor the meaning of the world "entirety"
How surprising.
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>>123243824
Why don't we give all of our land to Bulgaria at this point? The albanians are a minority anyway, our leftist government literally sold this country literally. So why don't we just give it to Bulgaria for free instead?
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>>123243880
>Whatever helps you sleep at night
Usually a beer or two, in my country that is three times as big as yours.
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>>123243654
Thanks man, I like Romanians best out of all our neighbors.

You can keep Northern Dobruja, we were the only Axis country that actually gained land in WWII and got Southern Dobruja... where the nice beaches are, anyways :P
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>>123243885
What about Struga,Kicevo,Tetovo debar Gostivar, they are also valuable to us
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>>123244039
>What is the point of Macedonia?
It's a state for Macedonians to live in.
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>>123244076
Because Bulgaria don't care if the albos want to take our land they more likely to give them an autonomy which is bad or just set them
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>>123243895

Pretty sad desu. Samuel would be disgusted.

Either way, that the Bulgarian flag will be flying over it again soon enough. Unless you guys keep isolating yourselves, in which case it will sadly be the Albanian flag.
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>>123244262
No it is not. We sold it to the Albanians who are like around 16~17% which the Ohrid agreement isn't valid for.
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>>123243824
>implying we use our natural resources
>implying any of that historical value isn't propaganda
>implying that the hydroelectric potential isn't a complete meme power source
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>>123244061

Kek. Yugoslav historians were propaganda machines. I know that you know this.
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>>123244061
>bulgarian """"""""historians"""""""""
good point, except for all those other non-bulgarian historians who agree that pre-yugoslav macedonians were bulgarians
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>>123244322
Like they did with their Turks?
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>>123244322
How did you decide this?

Bulgarian government will be smashed if we try to do a Greater Bulgaria again. It has happened times and times again. Macedonia has to show a clear desire to join Bulgaria, then we can act accordingly and defend our common interests.
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>>123243129
yeah I think you are right, I do know that many Bulgarians are a bit faggoty
in my opinion either the whole of Macedonia joins us or none
we must have respect for you
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>>123244487
dude stop arguing known facts with retards
you will literally go nowhere
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>>123244076

Just join us bros. It will hurt for Bulgaria at the start since it is 3x richer at the moment, but we will help you as you are brothers, you will catch up. You will also instantly be in the EU and you will have a coast. In this globalized world, we are much stronger united rather than divided. It would be a shame not to unite.
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>>123244119
ignore the canadian retard

he's been making maps about splitting macedonia for the last 2 months

he loves albanians too
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>>123244119

We will of course fight for this. Unfortunately, Tetovo and Debar may, sadly, be a lost cause.
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>>123244468
>Historical value isn't propaganda
are you fucking kidding me you idiot Kuzman kapidan ,Miladov brothers Monestery of Bigorski,The medivel history of debar ,Gorgija Puleski,Galicnik you argue they are bulgairan too I don't care of this point but you are retard keep in mind there are more too it this only 50% of the entire history of that region about natural resources we can use them and we are using them in this moment but some assholes(((VMRO))) is taking profit from them right now
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>>123244322
actually in Kurdjali most of the people don't even know Bulgarian but we don't simply give it off to the turks
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>>123244478
I bet that's one of those things that "everyone knows". You faggots are literally among the most brainwashed nations on the Balkans, not the Macedonians.

>>123244487
>all those other non-bulgarian historians who agree that pre-yugoslav macedonians were bulgarians
Plain wrong.
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>>123244842

I do not love Albanians. I dislike them. Just because I don't hate them with a fiery passion, doesn't mean I like them.

All of Macedonia is important to me. But it's important to be realistic as well.
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>>123244747
>It will hurt for Bulgaria at the start since it is 3x richer at the moment

macedonia is richer than both bulgaria and serbia

you are pathetic
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>>123245092
>Plain wrong.
its amazing to me how you can have the internet at your disposal and still post that retarded shit about ethnic macedonians when its been debunked since its creation
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>>123244637
Right now we don't trust you because your government is more likely too colaboraite with the shiptars only to get small land from Macedonia think the best way is to call the Slavic Macedonian language as separate language (even though is not) so we wont make the Macedonist angry and political autonomy sort of like federation
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>>123245163
Doesn't matter, dude. Just let it go, we are done.
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>>123245092

Lmfao, you are a serb living in Croatia, you fucking faggot. International scholars agree, almost unanimously, that Serbian propaganda is what created the Macedonian identity.

The most brainwashed in the Balkans is not the Macedonians, it is the serbs, as you actually pathetically think that the Russians are your "friends" kek
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>>123245033
>actually in Kurdjali most of the people don't even know Bulgarian
are you fucking retarded
kurdjali is only like 50% turk
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>>123231957
We shouldn't get involved in that mess. We have our own problems. The people in Macedonia made a choice to be their own entity and have their own nation. If they're too weak to fuck it up let it be part of Greater Albania.
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>>123245150
>All of Macedonia is important to me
want to give the most important land to the Albanians nice meme. This is why we don't trust Bulgaria
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>>123245163

>Macedonia richer than Serbia
This is true

>Than Bulgaria
No. Your PPP is lower, as seen in the picture attached, and you GDP per capita is exactly twice as low.
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>>123245554
fuck off defeatist
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Im friend with many turks from Razgrad and Targovishte, best people ever. They will never go against us, they are not cockroaches like the turks in Turkey. Also i have cute turk gf :3
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>>123245562
i think we can all agree that diaspora has no right to speak, you should worry if justin trudeau will legalize weed or something
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>>123245722
hes not even bulgarian

i keep telling him to stop posting his retarded maps where he gives a piece of fyrom to albania but he keeps doing it
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>>123245434

We will not settle for less than 85%. Tetovo and Debar may be the only lost causes. But we will demand them as well. I am being realistic, brato, but all of Macedonia is important to me.
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>>123245354
>its been debunked
By Bulgarian """"""historians"""""""?

>>123245562
>serb living in Croatia
No, faggot.

> International scholars agree, almost unanimously...
You're making up bullshit, showing how clueless you are about Balkan history.

>Serbian propaganda is what created the Macedonian identity.
Royal Serbia/Yugoslavia was anti-Macedonian and was attempting to Serbianise Macedonian Slavs.
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>>123245591
work as an IT
couldn't understand troubleshooters from Kurdjali
I don't say they are turk they just speak it
Odrin is bulgarian imo
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>>123245733
>PPPoland

Lmao

>gdp per capita

Is gdp split by population, you have bigger companies so your per capita is bigger but you get paid shit

There are pensioners in bulgaria on 100eur pensions, pathetic

Bulgarians are moving here because it's not a gypsy shithole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVdjI2jeoAE

kek
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>>123245033

This is a meme. Kardjali is majority Bulgarians. Turks live in irrelevant, isolated villages.
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>>123245776
What the fuck am I supposed to do then? Those leftist cucks of ours sold us, despite what happened yesterday they still plan to form a government which are funded by US/NATO.
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>>123235052
So genetically Serbs are closer to Bulgarians than Croats?
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>>123245807
agreed, bulgarian muslims are not cancer at all
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>>123246129
no, we are bulgarians, that's he's trying to say

they are the sole rulers of the entire balkans
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>>123246129
the fuck did you think? just because you speak the same language doesn't mean you're the same people
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>>123245722
>most important land to the Albanians
Wtf. No, I do not. I don't want to give them any. But for that to happen, you need to have a national movement where you demand to join Bulgaria. Until this happens, 85% is the best I can do.
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>>123246114
And if we do it again we will be branded as VMRO corrupts and they lose power then we all will be prosecuted as criminals.
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>>123246009
Not the same guy, but pls, don't be deluded, really.
You are poor, and this comes from the poorest country in the EU.
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>>123245807

This, the only thing that is trying to divide the well assimilated European Turks in Bulgaria with Bulgarians is Russian propaganda. It's failing.
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>>123246129
Bulgarian genetics vary very much between the north and the south.
We're genetically close to the northern part of Bulgaria.
Croats also vary between the north and the south - we're closer to Dalmatia than Zagorje.
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>>123245985
>attempting to Serbianise Macedonian Slavs.

Yes, you tried, and failed. And then started with the whole muh Ancient Macedonia meme.

Btw, """"Russian-born Yugoslavian historian""""" kek surely you are trolling.
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>>123245434
I don't understand you fully, bratko, but rest assured that barring outside ((influences)) we will incorporate as much as we can. We have no interests pleasing or allying with albos. Sadly, this requires a major happening so we are not "aggressors". Such a move will not please RU or USA and it will be very unsustainable without major popular support.
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>>123246216
>sole rulers of the entire balkans

Good times.
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>>123246442
>Bulgarian genetics vary very much between the north and the south.
kek retard it's east and west
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>>123246327
>You are poor

Macedonia is developed

We are 10 years ahead of bulgaria on every level
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>>123246129
No, you are a slav tribe that came here 5-6 century. We are proto-europeans.
You are serfs.
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>>123246009

Delusional kek.
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>>123245985
Big mistake,as the guy who wanted Serbianise the Macedonians also wanted to kick Croats out(extremely good thing) but he got killed by butt hurt Macedonians before did it,and his heir was a literal fucking cuck who forced everyone to become "Yugoslav".I fucking hate every Serbian dynasty expect the Valstimorvics so god damn much.
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>>123246525
>you
Croat

>And then started with the whole muh Ancient Macedonia meme.
Macedonian nationalism starts in the 19th century among the locals, without foreign influence.
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>>123246584
It's linguistically east and west, faggot.
Genetically it's north-south.
See example.
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>>123246717
>but he got killed by butt hurt Macedonian
are you retarded
there was no such thing as macedonians back then

and the guy who killed him - Vlado Chernozemski wasn't even from the macedonian region
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>>123246576

If Macedonians don't want a single inch to go to Albania, they need to demand to join Bulgaria. It's the only way. Otherwise Albania will get at least 10%.
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>>123246713
Bulgaria is shit

Prosperity.com ranks macedonia 10 spots ahead of bulgaria
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>>123246600
see >>123246894

lmaoing @ your lyf
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>>123246921
Ok,ok butt hurt Bulgar.
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>>123246994
That sounds very legit site lel
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>>123246994
can we join Macedonia then?
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>>123247030
when you say retarded shit expect to be corrected little faggot
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>>123244945
And how exactly do we lose those things if the albanians get tetovo gostivar and debar. At most you lose a monestary and 3 shit towns with shit people.
3 shitholes i'd be glad to bomb out of existence without getting anything in return
You're just a shortsighted nationalist that can't see the things we gain from a union with the bulgarians.
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>>123247147
Fuck off tatar criminal
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>>123247161
But i said OK?
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>>123247190
That's because the Albanians are a minority there. They deserve nothing simply because the Ohrid Agreement isn't fucking valid due to them being under 20%
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>Macedonia #10 in the world for 2017

>Bulgaria : no where to be seen
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>>123247289
shut the fuck up
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>>123247228
ohwell
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>>123247190
This "Shitholes" towns are bigger then most of the "towns" in eastern Macedonia and economically better but you are fucking retard
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>>123247404
I am not talking,i am writing.

Do you speak to your monitor kek?
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>EU country
>Average wage is not over 500e

>Macedonians make 2x more money than bulgarians
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>>123247506
lmfao are you gonna correct me on my gramar too little nerd faggot? xaxaxaxaxax
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>>123246994

Lel, bratko, enough.
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>>123247469
This, we will defend you from the zergs

We'll roll in there with tanks

But you have to breed there like a panda
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>>123247534
don't get it why Macedonians come to study in Bulgaria then?
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>>123247591
Oh,when did i correct your grammar?
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>>123247190

I really like you. It's nice to see people with an education on here.
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>>123247656
Some 20 kids came

Cause they can't get in skopje university
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>>123247469
who fucking gives a shit, you're comparing which piece of shit is shinier, yeah one of them might glitter a bit more then the next but at the end of the day it's still a turd
compare debar with sofia and then tell me which one is better
bomb them and be done with it
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>>123247623
"we" we will defend defend "you"

Oho,Dragan, spreading Celestial magic again?
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>>123247623
The best possible answer to solve that problem is to convince the cucks from the diaspora to settle in Tetovo ,Gostivar and Debar or deport the Shiptars because they are already lees then 20%
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>>123247859
some 20 kids were in my course only
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>>123247390

Kek. Next check most chicken farms per capita. Or what about tomatoes eaten per capita? :')

Btw, if it is so easy to do business there, where are the results? You can greatly expand your market by joining us, and thus the EU.
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>>123247903
My bro is a minority in zergovo

>>123247914
I would move to polog

I know a guy 23 yrs old in gostivar who has 2 kids. We need massive breeding programs in polog to take back majority
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>>123247953
>>123248017
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>>123248095
Suuuuuuure.I was not aware Macedonia likes to roll with tanks.
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>>123248143
kek
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>>123247374
tetovo-54.6%
debar-74.7%
gostivar-47.1%
great places
basically an etho state
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>>123248233
From census 2002? Ask yourself, why do we still use a census from 15 years ago?
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>>123247897
>Compere to Sofia
Move to Sofia then you cuckalso western MAcedonia can boost the economy of the whole region
but know you want lick the bulgar ass like your master not caring for your own land .See this is why Bulgaria lost almost 80% of the entire land since the middle ages because shits like you who only want "muh I'm bulgar" and not think for their homeland and home even the Bulgarians are more patriotic Macedonians then you XD
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>>123248357
it would be higher now if anything
every uncivilized race breeds like fucking rabbits
and muzzies are as uncivilized as can be
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>>123248233
>tetovo
>only 50%

damn son i thought it was 100% the way these zergs brag about it

debar is a literal village 5k people
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>>123247953

It's painful to see you arguing with a very deluded person. Kek man, quit it.
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>>123247190
Sad part is most of people overestimate themselves. All countries in Balkans are shitholes, that can't fix street potholes, schools or hospitals yet they act like some dickwaving superpower. You have problem with albanians, and no one who can help you want to help and anyone that care can't. Your situation is lose now a little bit of territory or lose all in 50 years.
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>>123248540
Hardly, they have 20 seats out of 120 which is 16%. Basically they are less than they were, we need to count them properly again.
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>>123248583
>deluded
>his country doesn't have a 500e salary while macedonia does

you're the most deluded tatar here tatar

it takes severe autist to think bulgaria is not a shithole
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>>123248497
>implying i would ever consider myself bulgarian you provincial faggot
you'll realize you're wrong when you lay dying in a trench for your fatherland
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>>123232777
Checked
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>>123248497
Kek. Don't unite with Bulgaria then. Remain landlocked and poor, dying a slow but sure death.

>>123247190
With more Makes were like you brother. Nationalism has a lot of positives, but also a lot of negatives, as I'm sure you are aware.
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>>123248665
>Sad part is most of people overestimate themselves. All countries in Balkans are shitholes, that can't fix street potholes, schools or hospitals yet they act like some dickwaving superpower.

some sanity after the empires and the strong white genes
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>>123248665
>All countries in Balkans are shitholes

Not macedonia. We are 1st world
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>>123248756
ama glasaa za sdsm kolku za dui

znaci imaat isto mandati
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>>123231957
I like the idea desu
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>>123248905
arguing over 15 euros
balkanism at its finest
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>>123249063
Basically they want to be counted as 1 person being simultaneously in 5 countries, basically inflating their numbers.
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