R1a, are Poles the ultimate Aryans/Iranians?

>>121248807
The Ultimate Aryans are Jews, East Asians, Sikhs and Anglos. The normal Aryans are Northern - Western Europeans. Poles are toilet cleaners.

>>121248807
Yes,

The clash of civilizations will take place between the two branches of the R1a Indo-Aryans, the Caltholic Pole and the inbred maniacs of the Hindu Kush mountains.

>>121249011
Ill need to see a few citations to back that statement up, Alexander.

Any Polaks have anything to say about this?

>>121248807
We are pretty similar to Corded Ware but R haplogroups are mongoloid haplogroups originaing in Siberia. Nothing to brag. Whereas as R1a/b originated most likely in Western Asia(Iran, Caucasus just like J1 and J2) .
Basically R is a mongoloid Siberian haplogroup
that diversified in Siberian admixed middle easterners.
Modern europeans are a mixed race population of WHG, CHG, EEF, ANE, Natufian(pretty much proto-Bedouin), and Iran Neolithic and in some cases with small negroid(Italians. Portuguese, Spaniards) , Han Chinese/Mongolian-like admixture too(Russians, Finns. Moldovians, Ukrainians etc) and even australoid/ASI admixture(Greeks).
The only native european genetic component in WhG that ranges from 20-50% in modern european populations.

WHGs had originally black/dark brown skin but blue eyes and went extinct in a pure form like 8000 years ago.

>>121251260
>diversified in Siberian admixed middle easterners/basal eurasians
That later mixed with native europeans

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>>121248807
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

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>>121248807

>>121251260
Pretty literate and no WE WUZ? Get out of Poland, you must be an immigrant.

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>>121248807

>>121251818
Sarmatism is bullshit not backed by modern genetic studies, We are corded ware. Although corded ware had higher WHG content tan moderm poles who picked more sout european(read near eastern) admixture along the way. Swedes were SHG/EHG but modern ones are less WHG, much less mongoloid and more Iranian. We too are more iranian/caucasian autosomally now.
So perhaps some post-neolithic migrations frm iran/caucasus are true. Since modern greeks are much less EEF and much more CHG than ancient ones.

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>>121248807
Lands back or else...

>>121251260
Gdzie moge znaleść więcej informacji na ten temat?

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>>121248807
Yes, Poles are the master race. That's why Hitler wanted to invade them, to take the Polish genes.

>>121248807

They both come from the steppes, some went east, others went west.

>>121248807


No, this is actually leaving out the most important part, which is that India and South Asia has higher R1a percentages than every slavic country.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population
Racially: poles (and slavs in general) are reduced cromagnoids

Culturally: practically nothing left of Indo-European tradition, which is generally transferred from father to son - which means either a priestly caste never existed or it vanished (which means it was small to begin with)

Mentally: slavs haven't created or contributed anything to the world history that is noteworthy
South Asia is most likely the homeland of Indo-Europeans.

>>121252914
Eurogenes blog run by a fellow pole. Athrogenica, Forumbiodiversity, anthroscape, molgen.org, familytreeforum, eupedia, theapricity, Dienekes blog, Anthromadness, genetiker, forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com
biorvix, ncbi

>>121253562
>South Asia is most likely the homeland
i thought it was ukraine/don region

>>121253562
> hunter gatherers
> homeland

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WE

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>>121253562
>Mentally: slavs haven't created or contributed anything to the world history that is noteworthy
this fucking salt

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>>121252640
>The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe.[10][11][12][13]
>The Sarmatians were eventually decisively assimilated (e.g. Slavicisation) and absorbed by the Proto-Slavic population of Eastern Europe around the Early Medieval Age.[10][11][12][13]
>Brzezinski, Richard; Mielczarek, Mariusz (2002). The Sarmatians, 600 BC-AD 450. Osprey Publishing. p. 39. "(..) Indeed, it is now accepted that the Sarmatians merged in with pre-Slavic populations."
> Adams, Douglas Q. (1997). Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture. Taylor & Francis. p. 523. "(..) In their Ukrainian and Polish homeland the Slavs were intermixed and at times overlain by Germanic speakers (the Goths) and by Iranian speakers (Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans) in a shifting array of tribal and national configurations."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians

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>>121253562
Poles control the world mate. You just live in it.

>>121254341
Hint: Poles wrote the Elders of Zion

>>121253562
Siberia is the original homald since MA1 had basal R.
Whereas Yamnaya omeland was probably in Iran or North Caucasus.
>>121253562
But yeah pakis, afghans and iranians are much more culturally similar to Proto-Indo Europeans than modern europeans. Although they are genetically neolithic iranians with ancestral south Indian admixture and small PIE admixture.

>>121253562
>Mentally: slavs haven't created or contributed anything to the world history that is noteworthy

please in the future write this first so i dont have to read the whole post to discard your opinion.

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>>121253702


no, there is actually no proof of it (yet), the assumptions come mainly because the people who conjectured it (russian archeologists) found some chariots + dried up settlements


but there is a lot of evidence that India is the homeland simply because:


linguistically: Whenever two cultures meet generally they exchange words and you will find many Sanskrit/Proto-indo-European like words in Slavic languages, but you won't find any Slavic words in Sanskrit.

culturally: it's the only place which has actively retained the Indo-European culture in its entirety because it's the only place where the Priestly caste has survived - even though India has suffered hundreds of immigrations and invasions over the past 2000-3000 years ; this is a good sign that Indo-Europeans originated in India/Pakistan
people don't just vanish and traditions don't just die out like that , simply because somebody invades or immigrates - unless you are a very small (and insignificant) group to begin with

>>121253562
>reduced cromagnoids
No, poles are only 45% WHG on average which still way above modern european average.

>>121248807
Sarmatians were a meme made by polish nobility in 17th century. On the other hand our nobility wasnt a hermetic group and anyone who proved himself on a battlefield could become a noble (it was very common thing, almost 20% of polish citizens back then were nobles).
If you look for something really interesting compare slavic mythology with indian

>Aryans

Naziaboo meme
No conclusive proof exists of their former existence

>>121254293
They also carried G

As for Poles in Britain, they are just reclaiming their rightful clay. King Cnut was a Pole, and the rightful rulership of Britain is the Polish bloodlines. The Brits were fine stewards for a time, but their judgement has lapsed and it is time for Polish master race to return and put things right.

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>>121255250
like?

>>121255423
I drove out of my house this morning, I passed 6 people within 1 minutes, all were slavs.

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>>121255518
Steppe peoples were not homogenous, to the contrary, peoples moving around mixed with other steppe people, Scythians for example had East Asian admixture.

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>>121254681

I have many r easons to dislike slavs: they are obsessed with race (because they don't have any noteworthy) , they are generally uneducated and clueless

>>121254484


that's just a conjecture and not proven, again, it has also a lot of poltiical implications (in india for the hindu nationalists) and in Russia (white nationalists who want to underline that they have a different origin compared to the "asians") and also keep in mind that scientists depend on funding etc.


>>121255184

well that's just genetically speaking - which has not many implications towards race anyway (among "whites"), physically anthropologically speaking poles are predominantly reduced cromagnoids


and you can see it very easily like in pic related

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>>121255664
Our operatives are already in place. The Polish world order marches forward.

>>121256047
>genetically speaking - which has not many implications towards race anyway
lol

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There is not cure for this disease. We tried. Just live Poland-chan alone.

>>121248807
>debate about best gene type

when /pol/ becomes stormfront

>>121254991
slavic is from balto-slavic and is newer than ancient sanskrit. sanskrit speakers moved to india away from their avestan brothers in ferghana (modern uzbekistan)

>>121256605
Be careful, agent. We can't afford to expose our plans this soon.

>>121255664
This is every morning for me

>>121256047
Poland is the purest slavs. We are mixed with finns and turkic people, Belorussians with baltic nations, Ukrainians with tatars. I don't even mention southern slavs. Rejoyce, Poland! Stop this aryan rubbish and just be yourself - proud slav.

>>121253562
lay off the glue snifging

People who originally called themselves 'aryans' were the Proto Indo Europeans (PIE) who were white and hailed from the PIE Urheimat above the caucuses mountains. They then migrated to Europe, India and Iran but since the latter 2 already had fairly advanced local brown populations (mesopotamian/marsh arabs and dravidians), they mixed and became brown but continued to called themselves aryan. Meanwhile in Europe the local population was either already white or there wasn't a huge local population (making it easy to invade and populate).

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>>121256047
>implications towards race anyway (among "whites"), physically anthropologically
With modern science we know anthropology is latgely bullshit although Coon did get many things right. For example, we know that there is no such thing as a nordic race.
Nordics from a genetic standpoint are just a depigmented WHG/Sandnigger hybrid created by some prehistoric selection/drift in Europe.

>>121253562

hello sweety, who would be taking your loans if there were no clueless Slavs?

and you say we do not contribute!

>>121255955

scythians from 15 century BC were white caucasoid, like swedes from a century ago were

scythians from 5 century AD were genocided/raped by huns/avars/Xiongnu and pretty much any bow-legged beast to become the chinky stinky fucks that the likes of you fingols take great pride in

from the fingolic perspective it is understandable that you celebrate the barbarity of your mongoloid ancestors, just like germans celebrate hiter, or turks deny armenian genocide and celebrate their slaughter

>>121256605
We will make this shitty world great again.

>>121257670
>>121251260


also, your revisionist psuedohistoric shit ignores the horse, wheel, and chariot of yamna, neither of which were of australoid poos

northern Indians adopted the language of the Yamna people, the people from northern central Asia, who introduced the languages to Europe and northern India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture

Their language is neither Indian nor European, but once indigenous to Kazakhstan. The Yamna spread their language to other people who adopted their language.

>>121256709

it might sound wrong because you haven't quoted the whole sentence which included "among whites", but male haplogroups only tell you half the story, somebody could have 100% R1a and be a half nigger

genetics as a science right now is absolutely useless at determining a "closer" racial classification - it's actually going in the exact opposite direction
>>121257188

it's just assumed that they split up in Uzbekistan (or around that region), not proven - it's actually just a bandaid solution - there is a major difference between the Avestand and Vedic religion, and that is that a lot of cofe deities are antagonists in one and protagonists in the other

Such a difference only occurs when the whole religious caste carries it on (otherwise you would have varying versions).

You will most likely never get any "proof" , because Proto-Indo-Europeans do not bury their deads but rather burn them.


>>121257670


The term aryan is from Sanskrit, not Proto-Indo-European. It is also found in Old-Avestan. It might have existed in Proto-Indo-European but we don't know for sure.


And the Urheimat was definitely not in the Caucasus, because mountain regions in their best conditions lead to dinarization (flattening of the occipital) and in their worst to a armenoidization.


What you are quoting is simply a very old theiry, which isn't actually proven in any way - linguistically , culturally and also by physical anthropology (as well as genetically).

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>>121257977
>you fingols

>>121258659


Yamnya culture is Indo-European, but not Proto-Indo-European. That's the whole point of what I'm writing.


Australoid poos are not of any significance anyway, the unreduced aurignacoid ones are.

>>121258723
avestan is eons before sanskrit

even the hindu religion speaks of the avestan nomads of horsefucking central asia shitting up the brown poos

the fucking white slavic caste system you dumb fuck attests to a non-poo origin of hinduism and sanskrit

>>121253407
This meshes with my memes desu

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>>121257493
Latvians and Lithuanians are slightly purer than us(more west eurasian).
Basques are the purest Europeans, then Latvians, and then Lithuanians. We are on fourth place. Unfortunately the general trend since mesolithic is that Europeans are becoming less and less genetically European/West Eurasian/WHG over time.

>>121254056

You losers haven't made shit.

>>121259273

There wasn't ONE single proto-Indo-European tribe, but many. And the most dominant one stayed in India while the others were forced to leave. That's what all the Old-Vedic texts are about - a fight between neighbouring and related tribes.

Avestan was used around the same time as Sanskrit, while Old Avestan was used around the same time as Vedic.


Stop talking out of your ass Shlomo.

>>121259236
you mistake the Elamites with PIE.

The Elamites did everything you blame PIE for.

PIE came later with the horse to shit on the elamite'd poos (aurignacoid fags)
the Dravidian languages were brought to India by immigration into India from Elam, located in present-day southwestern Iran..[5][42] According to Renfrew and Cavalli-Sforza, Proto-Dravidian was brought to India by farmers from the Iranian part of the Fertile Crescent.[43][4][44][note 1] According to Mikhail Andronov, Dravidian languages were brought to India at the beginning of the third millennium BCE.[6]

Kivisild et al. (1999) note that "a small fraction of the 'Caucasoid-specific' mtDNA lineages found in Indian populations can be ascribed to a relatively recent admixture."[45] at ca. 9,300 ± 3,000 years before present,[46] which coincides with "the arrival to India of cereals domesticated in the fertile Crescent" and "lends credence to the suggested linguistic connection between Elamite and Dravidic populations".[46]

According to Gallego Romero et al. (2011), their research on lactose tolerance in India suggests that "the west Eurasian genetic contribution identified by Reich et al. (2009) principally reflects gene flow from Iran and the Middle East."[47]

According to Romero, this suggests that "the most common lactose tolerance mutation made a two-way migration out of the Middle East less than 10,000 years ago. While the mutation spread across Europe, another explorer must have brought the mutation eastward to India – likely traveling along the coast of the Persian Gulf where other pockets of the same mutation have been found."[48]

According to Palanichamy et al. (2015), "The presence of mtDNA haplogroups (HV14 and U1a) and Y-chromosome haplogroup (L1) in Dravidian populations indicates the spread of the Dravidian language into India from west Asia."

>>121259498
Be quiet Ahmed.

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>>121248807
My mom did ancestry dot com. 86% Eastern European from Eastern Slovakia, far West Ukraine, north Hungary, and a bit from Northwest Romania. Trace DNA came from Greece, SE Asia, and the Iberian Peninsula. Although I'm probably not as pure R1a as a pure Pole, there's definitely a migration pattern matching that area of the world and many Slavic cultures.

>>121259723
Dravidians are aurignacoids themselves you retarded mongoloid.

They are an older wave of people that immigrated into South Asia.


And Cavalli Sforza is probably the biggest cuck there is, he is the single biggest reason why physical anthropology is discounted nowadays, and i'm not surprised a stupid kike is quoting him.

>>121258738
untuned bot. but the bot maybe onto something...

>>121252484
Nice, I understand everything.

>>121259273
>white slavic caste system
No such thing existed among PIE.
Proto-Indo Europeans were a swarthy Lezgin/siberian/WHG hybrid.

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>>121259498

> losers

>>121248807
Yes

Poles have infiltrated every country and we are about to overthrow the world governments.

We just tell you plebs it is the jews, but it is really us.

We are everywhere, and you cant tell us apart from your family.

>>121260250


he is talking out of his ass, there are no remnants of Proto-Indo-Europeans cultures in East Europe, only of Indo-Europeans because they were themselves just one of many immigrating/invading waves


finding one chariot and some horses means nothing, especially when you are dealing with a culture that burns their dead


It was most likely even a invasion, because when people migrate, they take their women with them (which would be visible in the mtDna).

>>121260135
>ignores Kivisild, Palanichamy, Romero, Gallego, Renfrew


>we wuz reduced aurignacoids
yes, you are a indeed reduced microcephalic retard. no argument here.

>>121259723
Elamites were neolithic iranians but CHG widespread in Europe, Caucasus, and Middle East is very similar to them. Zaroastians are closest to prehistoric iranians.

>>121254293
Plus Sarmatian "tamgas" are similar to some Polish coats of arms:
>Polish heraldry includes the extensive use of horseshoes, arrows, Maltese crosses, scythes, stars and crescents as well as many purely geometrical shapes for which a separate set of heraldic terms was invented. It has been suggested that originally all Polish coats of arms were based on such abstract geometrical shapes, but most were gradually "rationalized" into horseshoes, arrows and so on. If this hypothesis is correct, it suggests in turn that Polish heraldry, also unlike Western European heraldry, may be at least partly derived from tamgas. However, the evidence about the origins of the system is scanty, and this hypothesis has been criticized as being part of the Polish noble tradition of romanticizing their supposed Sarmatian ancestry. On this matter, research and controversy continue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamga#Eastern_Europe

>>121260684
CHG/Iran EN is Basal Eurasian+ANE. CHG is the same+additional WHG/EHG.

>>121260659
The first clearly Proto-Indo-European culture was Sredny Stog

fuck off back to your cave, unreduced aurochsenoids

>>121260135
Dravidians are Onge+Papuan+Australian Aborigene+Iran Neolithic+CHG+ANE+mongoloid of some kind..

>>121248918
I'd drown 50 Somali children for the chance to cum inside this bitch

>>121255212
>If you look for something really interesting compare slavic mythology with indian
Anon, one can say the same thing about all Indo-European mythologies, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trifunctional_hypothesis

>>121260659
>here are no remnants of Proto-Indo-Europeans cultures in East Europe,

Yamna and Sredny strog are PIE you fucktard

archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

>>121261234
Well more accurate to say would perhaps be Ust'-Ishim+Onge+Papuan. Australian Aborigene Abbos actually have veddoid admixture not the other wat around.

how do you think Hitler was planning to create the Aryan master race? :^)

>>121260674


Unreduced aurignacoids with their special traits come from repeated sexual selection, it's a way of seeing how greedy the ancestry of a population was able to be.

The main common thing that is equal in all aurignacoids is that they MOVE (and develop) in areas that are very profitable ecologically and economically.


northern Europe (region around sweden), Northern Germany, Britain, Italy, France


1. Caucasus is not a possible Urheimat - mountainous areas lead to dinarization (as can see today in the balkans) and armenoidization


2. Iranian Steppes is possible , if there was a dried out water source or the water source moved , but unlikely because Old-Iranian religion DIFFERS from Vedic religion massively


3. South Ukraine/Eastern Europe - impossible , 0 remnants of Indo-European culture, 0 remnants of Indo-European religion


4. South Asia: place with highest genetic male ancestry of R1a , only retainer of complete Indo-European culture (Indian brahmins) and way of life as well as language (Sanskrit)


>>121261090


stop cihmping out you fucking jew

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>>121261678
By doing this in 1939.

>>121248807
Their fanatic Catholicism ruins my Poland hype. It was good some time ago but this recent Pope utterly rekted the whole religion. There's no coming back from his perverted sickness.

Orthodox is the only good Christianity, I wish it was the majority religion here too.

>>121261803
no one gives a fuck about your poo-eating cave dwelling unreduced aurochsenoid family

go fuck off to india and flush yourself

>>121258723
>>121258723
>but male haplogroups only tell you half the story,
Except he wasn't talking about male haplogroups. It's autosomal

>genetics as a science right now is absolutely useless at determining a "closer" racial classification - it's actually going in the exact opposite direction
Completely false.

>>121261640
indians are australoid (veddoid is a sub of australoid)

>>121261678
By Importing chechens, Iranians, afghans , pakis and pooinloos?
Maybe if he won and had access to modern science, then he would realise that recreation of the WHG is what needs to be done.

>>121262309
Semi-australoid only.

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>>121261863
Germans don't need blond people to be master race!

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>>121261636


And you would know that how? Indo-Europeans did not have any writing system - the only way they transferred knowledge was ORALLY.


So tell me, how would you know anything about them?


From that you can also deduce that Proto-indo-Europeans DEFINITELY didn't have any writing system.


OK? The only thing you got is some archeological findings - so state that and stop jewing out.
>>121262107


yea , the jew finally reached his final form , took long enough


>>121262281


really? so you can , if i give you genetic material of a person, tell me his exact measurements , which in the end make up his race?


>>121262309


see pic related, Indians are not "australoid" , now fuck off kikes

>>121261803
>mountainous areas lead to dinarization (as can see today in the balkans) and armenoidization
Lol no. What lead to that is getting fucked by them, dipshit.

Their nose structure says no

>>121262061
Well, the Church has almost 2k years and there were much worse periods, like Saeculum obscurum a.k.a. "pornocracy", but then we had the Cluniac movement and crusades, several hundred years later was another "worse" period, but then we had the Counter-Reformatom, etc.

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>>121261678


by incentivizing progressive unreduced nordids to breed


it's actually very well documented how and what the nazis used to favour , it was less discrimination based than positive reinforcement
like pic related, i think she won a prize for being a very good example of being a unreduced nordid

>>121249011
>Anglos
>Aryan
I don't think you know hat those terms mean son

>>121262596

These Holocene immigrants to Australia (Carpentarians) were Veddoid, and spoke a language related to the parent Indian Vedda language, not Dravidian. They were been driven from India toward Australia by the Dravidian-speaking Elamites of the Indus Valley Civilization pushing further south into the Indian peninsula. The Veddoid natives of India experienced Dravidification by adopting the language of the Elamites.
mitochondrial DNA (which is maternally inherited) studies indicated that Indian mtDNA lineages cluster with the southeast Asians (Papuans), indicative of the Australoid-Veddoid substratum.

Indians are veddoids. elamites (migrants from persia) created harappa.
The Veddoid natives of India experienced Dravidification by adopting the language of the Elamites.
mitochondrial DNA (which is maternally inherited) studies indicated that Indian mtDNA lineages cluster with the southeast Asians (Papuans), indicative of the Australoid-Veddoid substratum.

caucasoid elamites moved to india and introduced the dravidian language to veddoids of india.

dravidians are veddoids who adopted the language of the elamite elites

>>121262596
>if i give you genetic material of a person, tell me his exact measurements , which in the end make up his race?
Race isn't measurements you stupid animal. It literally is genetic material. You are thinking like some 19th century physical anthropologist. Your shit is outdated senpai.

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this is the standard for northern europe , not some reduced cromagnoid slav (or worse)

>>121248807
what about r1b

>>121263087
>this nigger believe in "unreduced nordids"
>cites Coon

kek

>>121263100

>>121262596


Mitochondrial DNA evidence supports northeast Indian origin of the aboriginal Andamanese in the Late Palaeolithic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21477783

the Indian population is attributed to incessant, historical waves of migrations into India, the earliest, by the Australoid speakers around 70,000 years ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1513393/

Microsatellite diversity reveals the interplay of language and geography in shaping genetic differentiation of diverse Proto-Australoid populations of west-central India.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16323197


A common genetic substratum (Proto-Australoid stock) of the Oraon and Munda was evident
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21486165


Microsatellite diversity reveals the interplay of language and geography in shaping genetic differentiation of diverse Proto-Australoid populations of west-central India.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16323197


Peter Underhill, in a more recent study, showed genetic connections between the Andamanese and people from the Kusunda area of Nepal.
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/ESCA-9-background.htm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Australoid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopling_of_India

>>121263462
>implying the poo-poster isnt a coon

>>121263087
>>121263225
krauts - the world's most autistic race.

>>121263475
Keep in mind mainland indians also have papuan admixture and something similar to abbos which most likely is Ust-Ishim and maybe something unsampled.
Onge are negritos with nappy hair whereas veddoids look like australian abbos with wavy hair. There were a few different auatraloid stains but we lack prehistoric south asian, australian and papuan dna. What we do know is that Ust'-Ishim and even Oase1 cluster with Indian tribals whereas Kostenki K14 cluster with modern pakis(especially the ones near the border with Afghanistan) on PCAs.

>>121263100
Harappas were europid as were the elite of the Indus Valley civilization.


Chronologically Indus Valley COEXISTED with Proto-Indoeuropeans. And Harappas might have been PIE themselves.

Veddoid = Veddas that are and always were the indigenous population


Dravidians are europids that immigrated to the South of India.
>>121263194


it's never going to be outdated, because this racial classification is the most honest application of evolutionary theory that has ever been done
it requires a certain integrity and scientific honesty that will never be seen again for a long time , mainly due to the high amount of kikes in the natural sciences


>>121263475


You are comparing: Indus Valley civilization (which coexisted chronologically to PIE and IE) , with harappas (which were PIE) , with Mundas/Weddas/Veddoid which are different South Asian tribes that still exist, and are different from Australoid/Andamanid


lastly with Dravidians (who are an older wave that existed and dominated the South of Southasia and Sri lanka for over 3000 years at least)


So in the end you are just jewing off


>>121263612


Rather than being a pajeet I'm an anti slavist - now get back in line or face the oven Shlomo.

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>this shitskin Swiss immigrant
holy shit, thread was gold

>>121248807
Why couldn't R1a even make a dent in the Scythians?

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>>121260575

>>121263475
>>121263100
>>121264292

the original (pre-PIE, pre-Elamite) Australoid language of India still exists including the Kol and Munda (Mundari).

the Elamites of Persia and PIE of Caucasus shitted up the poos

>>121264227
This is interesting because Kostenki is though to be one of ancestors of modern europeans., yet he was geenetically similar to modern pakis. Which suggests he had basal eurasian and australoid admixture. Of course semi-australoid plaeoeuropeans changed greatly over the course of the Ice Age and evolved into WHG.

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>>121264387
> some autistic fat burger calling me a shitskin
come back when you reached a BMI lower than 26 faggot

>>121264570


PIE never existed in the Caucasus, just finding some horses and chariots doesn't prove anything.
You are really clueless if you think that the Caucasus region has ever spawned anything else but reduced farmer types like the current day Mtebids or reduced Armenoids.
And not gonna bother continuing about Persia - it's not like you understand the difference between Avestan - Old Avestan - Vedic - Sanskrit

See pic related.

>>121264292
>unreduced aurochsenoid talking out of his ass

there are no remnants of Proto-Indo-Europeans cultures in India, only of Indo-Europeans because they were themselves just one of many immigrating/invading waves

lmao fucking nerds :D

>>121264940
Sorry, you're not white. I know it hurts. Accept it and move on.

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>>121260575
>>121264477

>>121264940

If you want a real good laugh read Aryans out of India theory.

Amazing how they throw out linguistic, archaeological, historical, and genetic evidence that Aryans came from out of India.

>>121265012

Do you even understand what you just wrote? The only reason we are talking about this shit is because South Asia retained the biggest part of their Indo-European heritage.
Vedic culture is Proto-Indo-European you dumb ass, (as is Old-Avestan)

>>121264784
Notice australoid, south asian components in paleolithic and even early mesolithic europeans. That disappeared after the Ice Age.
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/07/k-13-admixture-analysis-of-ice-age-european-genomes/

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlRzLbLVxL

Jew giving Tim the Genetic QI Pill.

>>121248807

No, but Lithuanians are. Lithuanians speak the language most closely related to proto-indo-european.

>>121265311


There's a lot of evidence that Proto Indoeuropeans formed in South Asia , but none except archeological findings (which belonged to Indo-European waves that left the continent) that they didn't.
The only reason we are able to talk about Proto-Indo-European, is because we have fully complete remainders of the culture left in the Vedic religion.

>>121264292
>Biology isn't real

Sure thing nigga. Remain with your 19th century nonsense.

>>121263225
looks like my mother desu

>>121265654
lmao fek off russia is homeland we waz kangz

>>121265654
There's a lot of evidence that Proto Indoeuropeans are from in Russia , including archeological findings
The only reason we are able to talk about Proto-Indo-European, is because we have fully complete remainders of the culture left in the Avestan religion

The religious beliefs of the Scythians was a type of Pre-Zoroastrian Iranian religion and differed from the post-Zoroastrian Iranian thoughts.[71] Foremost in the Scythian pantheon stood Tabiti, who was later replaced by Atar, the fire-pantheon of Iranian tribes, and Agni, the fire deity of Indo-Aryans.[71] The Scythian belief was a more archaic stage than the Zoroastrian and Hindu systems. The use of cannabis to induce trance and divination by soothsayers was a characteristic of the Scythian belief system..

The term Arya is used in ancient Persian texts, for example in the behistun inscription from the 5th century BCE, in which the Persian kings Darius the Great and Xerxes are described as "Aryans of Aryan stock" (arya arya chiça). The inscription also refers to the deity Ahura Mazda as "the god of the Aryans", and to the ancient Persian language as "Aryan". In this sense the word seems to have referred to the elite culture of the ancient Iranians, including both linguistic, cultural and religious aspects. [57][59] The word also has a central place in the Zoroastrian religion in which the "Aryan expanse" (Airyana Vaejah) is described as the mythical homeland of the Iranian people's and as the center of the world

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>>121265532
Genetically, probably not. But linguistically, maybe.

>>121265532
Lithuanians got POLED.

>>121265330
racist white Aryan horse-niggers destroyed the sumerian-elamite Indus Valley Civilization and have never been able to poo in the loo since.

>>121265687


Excuse me? Sexual selection for a certain trait repeated many times is evolution.
>>121266098


Even Russian "WE WUZ ARYANS" and shiet have the decency to at leats go closer to the actual homeland. You really are a jew
Russia contains nothing Indo-European - except the linguistic similarities (which are one sided, because they only CAME to Russia, but never LEFT) there is only male ancestral DNA left, which is most likely from very old invasion waves.


And again, you show that yo uactually have no clue about this topic:


Ancient Persian = Old-Avestan , chronologically equal to the Vedic language


Sanskrit comes from Vedic, Avestan comes from Old Avestan
Proto Indo Europeans did NOT HAVE A WRITING SYSTEM. For the last fucking time. Writing is a very new development, Socrates et al. despised it in Ancient Greece etc.

>>121266098
>>121265311
>>121265012
>>121264940
>>121264570
>>121263475

Avestan is much closer to an 'original'; Sanskrit has tons of non-IE loans all over the place.


Sanskrit is just a dravidian dialect, while Avestan directly developed in the homeland of the Aryans and thus didn't get too much influenced by non-Aryan influences.

>>121265654
>There's a lot of evidence that Proto Indoeuropeans formed in South Asia
Not likely. You have greater R1 clade diversity due to mych bigger population size than in other prehistoric regions and endogamy between tribes/castes after the initial race mixing event.
PIEs conuered India but thry originated most likely in Iran-Caucasus region. It seems EHG men from East Europe conquered some CHG tribe, killed local men and enslaved churka women. Then they created a pidgin of EHG/Caucasian language that become the creaole of PIE to communucate with their slaves.

>>121266576
culture of don steppe is stronk, youdont need to poo in loo if there is so much spae you cn just walk in steppe and poo without loos

>>121266868


Avestan is closer to modern day Farsi you dumb shitter.

The chronological tree is like this :


PIE - Old-Vedic/Old-Avestan - Sanskrit/Avestan/Ancient-Greek

>>121266868
>>121266867

Sanskrit is considered the erectus of all languages. Sanskrit is the best ever language to program computers and monkeys. Sanskrit has been found written in almost all ever found ancient relics , tablets in india and europe and asia. india is the land of brahmin originals

>>121253051
>That's why Hitler wanted to invade them, to take the Polish genes
He wanted to exterminate almost all poles.

aryan swiss is mad that i am more kangz

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>>121266867
My wise friend, you have firmly established that pic related are the true Aryans.
The real question, my friend, is can you poo in the loo?

>>121267151
again, all this veddoid self-hate and butthurt ITT caused by white horseniggers bleaching a few veddoid whores causing eternal asspain and veddoids LARPing as caucasoids

>>121267152


Writing systems are a new development, Indo-Europeans originally didn't write down anything but only transferred improtant knowledge from father to son orally. And that also only amongst the elites.

Ancient Greeks did not have a writing system either until much later in their development.


You are actually retarded, if you think that new inscriptions have any meaning.

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>>121267327
>>121267327


the original aurignacoid stock looked something like this

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That's a very good approximation for the PIE race, a modern day north-indide (unreduced aurignacoid) would look something like this (progressive-mature)

>>121267520
Wow, no doubt. Really made me think.
Is that a family picture though?

>>121267400
>>121267520
get a whiff of this poojeet
today you a str8 up caucasoids from the andamans
tomorrow you are nordic blonde aryans from punjab

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compare to this nordid/atlantid white trash guy (who is racially very progressive)

>>121267770
wishful thinking

you dont pick and choose race like the country you immigrate to

just cause you in a white country you nao "swiss"

but still an australoid

just like somalis are negroid

stay mad

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>>121267804

wouldn't want you to feel left out shlomo

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>>121264055
>>121264055
Bu we make the best places to live in.

>>121249011
You don't even have functioning toilets. Have you emptied your used toilet paper bin today?

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>>121268027


pic related is the phylogenetic tree of the human races


and besides that I don't want any immigration from anywhere, especially not from kikes or slavs

>>121268334
fuck off back to india you unreduced microcephalic aurochsenoid

>>121268683


Man muss den Juden hetzen, nicht sich von ihm treiben lassen.


Go ask your grandmother what it means, and then remind yourself that she is most likely being used as a lampshade somewhere right now as I am writing this.

>>121254446
I thought it originated from Tsarist Russia and was either real or faked by Russian government?

>>121253562
Chemistry wouldn't be anywhere close to what it is today if it wasn't for Slavs.

>>121269823


While jews exist as an inbred, selfhating group that hates all mankind. Slavs simply exist only to exist. They have no purpose except as temporary place holders for stronger races and cultures.

They never had an impact on the course of mankind except as victims (of the Mongols, of the Nazis etc.)


They are racially reduced cromagnoids (i.e. infantilized babyfaces) and mentally frozen, unable to control their surroundings and instead accomodating to it.


I guess you are thinking about the periodic table, but keep in mind that Mendelev was simply reorganizing and reordering something that was already created by somebody else.

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typical iranians

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>YW/+a7oV
mfw

also
praise ahura mazda

>>121270741
Markovnikov, Zaitzev, Menshutkin, Kapitsa, Beketov, Lomonosov, Chernov, probably a ton I don't know.

>>121267956
That's not have aurignacians looked like. He has gracile bedouin features. Aurignacians were robust with australoid south asian affinity.

>>121271533

So did any of these contribute anything so significant that it would be one of the first things you would try to relearn after whole of humanity has been nuked into oblivion and everybody starts from 0 ?

>>121268334
This tree is nonsence. It doesn't work like that according to modern genetic science.

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>>121271661


pic related is the difference between an aurignacoid skull and a cromagnoid one

>>121270741
>Slavs will never be as cool as Swiss poo in the loos
Feels cyka

>>121272102

It is a tree that describes the evolution of subraces , of course it has nothing to do with modern genetics (which is mainly concerned with ancestry and not morphology and physiognomy).


The tree describes the evolution of different subraces based on the selection for (greedy) flexible, new i.e. progressive traits.

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>>121249011

>>121272134
>slaves
Another nonsense, Some vestonice samples were perhaps more narrow skulled but the majority of aurignacians like Kostenki, Oase and Ust'-isim had wide robust australian aborigene-like skulls. Also not all all WHGs were wide skulled Loschbour was but not all.
All prehistoric euroepans were generally long-skulled but width was diverse.

>>121272134>>121272906
>pic related is the difference between an aurignacoid skull and a cromagnoid one

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>>121272906


cromagnoids are dolichocephal , so whats your problem?


modern day slavs (from poland to sibiria) are largely brachykephalized anyway

>>121270741
The paedomorphic Polacos are the resisting the invasion pretty well.

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>>121253562
>SwissKike
>Culturally: practically nothing left of Indo-European tradition, which is generally transferred from father to son - which means either a priestly caste never existed or it vanished (which means it was small to begin with)

Stop baiting.

>>121272556
They didn't evolve like that tree is suggesting.
Around 20% of admixture from any actual race like those prehistoric population does influence facial features and skull shape. That's why modern europeans have such diverse features and skull shapes - we are a hybrid of a few dfferent preistoric races.
Negroids are less racially mixed that is why they are more uniform and some are some mongoloids like north koreans.

No Anglos are superior to slavnigger and yankcucks

>>121248918
Bogdanova?

>>121270741
copernicus, vienna 1683, skłodowska-curie
go to sleep you uneducated piece of filth

>>121273145
>brachykephalized anyway
That's mostly due to recent selection in our case but we are only 45% WHG (What you incorrectly call cro magnon) anyway. Greeks are like 20-30%.

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>>121253562

>>121273993
You are more near eastern than poles .

>>121271846
Yes

>>121273856
However south asians and arabs are even more mixed than modern europeans currently.

>>121273856


The tree shows the possible morphological evolution of the subraces as listed by C.S. Coon and E.v. Eickstedt.


That's just a made up number, we don't know which genes change or influence facial features - if we did, we could measure them and predict the appearance of a person.
The features are a result of sexual selection, not random mixing.


Negroids have very diverse skull forms actually , ranging from hyper-dolichocephal aethiopids to the most primitive australoid. They simply had a lot less selection because.


>>121274248


In greeks it's mostly armenoidization from the alps while in polish case it's mostly just infantilization (baltisation, borealization in general). Both are reductions but of different origin.

>>121267770
>for the PIE racepp
PIE had like 50% WHG. Modern indians have 0-10% WHG. These guys are more of a representation for prehistoric iranians and even then not very close since zaroastians don't look like this than PIE.

>>121275567
>>121274151
too bad mr wiseguy keeps on ignoring facts being thrown at him, what a fucking spaz. honestly you should just stop making yourself look like an idiot and go to bed already

>>121275567

because* they live in very lacking environment.


>>121275015


South Asia contains aurignacoids , cromagnoids, brachykephalized forms and also primitive forms, and Arabs are for the most part just mediterranids with armenoid influences.

>>121275695


Well it's possible , since unreduced cromagnoids and aurignacoids mixed, but all Indo-Europeans have clear tendency for leptosomic+matur-progressive leader and nobles/elites.

It's something that doesn't exist in modern day slavs or very rarely.

>>121248807
WE WUZ ARIANS

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I1 = true Original race of Europe

>>121276094
And how is Kopernikus relevant to you today ?


Are you really that dense that you don't understand what significance means?


Significant is the use of FIRE , animals and apes see fire every day, but they don't use it.

Significant is the use of Indic number system , Romans, Greeks etc. did not understand it and never used it. Everything we do today is based on it.


Food production today is largely due to German (again, non slavic Indo-European) achievements in Chemistry and Nitrogen production (Haber-Bosch) and (Justus von Liebig).
So again, what the fuck did slavs invent that permeates everything of today's modern FIRST WORLD life?


Nothing.

>>121275567
>armenoidization
Armenoid correlates with CHG. Learn about these things first, since you seem to have any modern genetic knowledge about populations.
>>121275567
>That's just a made up number, we don't know which genes change or influence facial features - if we did, we could measure them and predict the appearance of a person. The features are a result of sexual selection, not random mixing.
Actually we somewhat know. Pure WHG for example is outside the range of modern european facial SNPs clustering.
Aethiopids look different because they're Natufian/Neolithic Levant admixed. Negroids can't have australoid skull shape. Their skull shapes are definitely less diverse than Europeans.

>>121276292
>South Asia contains aurignacoids , cromagnoids, brachykephalized forms and also primitive forms

No it doesn't. These terms are meaningless in the stupid way you using them.
There is no such thing as reduced cro magnoid.
South asian contains middle easterners of mosly neolithic iranian extraction(basal eurasian+paleosiberian ANE similar to amerindians) mixed with a few types of australoids and mongoloids., with a very slight meseuropean admixture.

>>121276792

Armenoidization as a process means reduction + past adaption to high altitude.


Arabids aren't armenoidized, they have armenoid influences (they don't have a flat occipital f.e.) .


Negroids have one for them typical neotenic-infantile forehead shape(doomed/high). Whereas significantly more on average,

Europids have sloping/low foreheads in combination with brow bridge. Similar to early archaic Homo sapiens forms.


A nilotid skull is vastly different from a bambutid skull. And both are negroid.

>>121276481
I1 and I2 are the only native european haplogroups. I think U5 is native mtdna.

>>121277739


They are the morphologies that all human beings exhibit, and what they can be classified with. It is part of the hominization of humans.


Genetic admixture is meaningless because it is 1. male only , 2. says nothing about the hominization of a population

>>121259498
This is truth, We don't make "shit" and ruin europe like germany tends to

>>121278218
>Genetic admixture is meaningless because it is 1. male only
and here's where you out yourself as completely clueless about what you are talking about

>>121277801
>Armenoidization as a process means reduction + past adaption to high altitude.
Complete pseudoscience.
Armenoid is basal eurasian+some kind of prehistoric siberian mongoloid that no longer exists in a pure form.
Arabid is CHG/Iranian admixed Natufian which in turn is: Basal eurasian+UHG.
>>121277801
>Negroids have one for them typical neotenic-infantile forehead shape(doomed/high). Whereas significantly more on average,Europids have sloping/low foreheads in combination with brow bridge. Similar to early archaic Homo sapiens forms.

Another nonsense. Negroid skull greatly changed since paleolithic but still have very archaic traits like prognathism and wide nose.
>>121277801
>Europids have sloping/low foreheads in combination with brow bridge
That due to WHG admixture. Negroids become less robust due to hot climate but modern europeans are also much less robust than prehistoric due to basal eurasian admixture and probably seaxual selection.

>>121277739

South Asians are largely europids (with exception of the australoids), but not EUROPEAN europids.


Racial classification is based on the measurement of "how hominized" (how far from the ape) a subrace is while haplogroups measure "how mixed" is a population.


They are 2 different things, and you can not deduce something from one about the other.

>>121277801
>A nilotid skull is vastly different from a bambutid skull
Pygmies are a tiny minority that is neroid equivalent of australoid negrite.
Pygmies themselves have mostly uniform skulls. Europeans from the same ethnic group have hugely different skull shapes depending in an individual.

>>121249011
>The Ultimate Aryans are Jews, East Asians, Sikhs and Anglos.

>anglos
Ok
>the rest
Fuck no lmao

Poles WERE honorary aryans before communism.

After that, they turned into the russian mode of past communist depression, but slowly regenerating thankfully.

They stole, they dealt drugs.

But before ww2,honorary aryans.
Two of my great grandparents came from poland, first last name mother's side grandmother maiewski, second lastname father's side grandmother szlak or szlak.

But when we drove there to visit relatives the villagers hated us, i don't know why.

>>121279100
>South Asians are largely europids (with exception of the australoids), but not EUROPEAN europids.

No such thing as europid even exist and racial mixes in India are vastly different than the ones in Europe. You are native australoids mixed with Iranians. In other words Indians have little to no European genes but modern Europeans and Indians both have Iranian genes that's why we have some genetic affinity.

Prehistoric mesolithic europeans before race mixing with immigrants from other continents had zero genetic affinity with either Indians or Iranians. Do you understand now?

>>121251260
did u study smth in college for this or do u just are interested in the subject?

>>121281265
Just learned about it online

>>121280499


Europid = any morphology that is anthropometrically equal to something that exists in Europe , this includes unreduced cromagnoids, cromagnoids, and aurignacoids;

european Europid = any morphology that exists in Europe;


You keep talking about genes, what you really mean is ancestry by looking at haplogroups.


Anthropometrically , you can not differentiate aurignacoid skulls from eachother, they differ only in (living) soft parts (lips and mouth).

They are metrically all leptoprosopic + progressive. That's the first thing you need to understand.
Compare the living Indo-Europeans who dominated their respective regions:


1. Nordids in NE
2. Mediterranids in SE
3. Iranids in ME
4. North-Indides in SA


and you will see that they all share an intricate Indo-European link. "Slavs" as a metaethnicity, do NOT exhibit any of that which the other 4 do.


That's the whole point of what I'm telling you.


That's why it's ridiculous to claim that the PIE homeland is somewhere near where todays Slavs live.

>>121276481
>G was original european too I guess haplogroup I killed them

>>121281538
>You keep talking about genes, what you really mean is ancestry by looking at haplogroups
he probably means ancestry by actually looking at your whole set of chromosomes, it has fuck all to do with haplogroups

and the fact that the PIE homeland in the Kurgan hypothesis is today inhabited by Slavs means fuck all since modern Slavs are not the same as Yamnaya/Afanasevo people, although obviously related
northwest and northeast Euros are the people seemingly mostly related to Yamnaya people going by autosomal DNA

>they've been arguing about it for the last 4 fucking hours
Christ

Poles are original Europeans.
We share the most alleles with the hunter-gatherer.
We wuz fucking yo wymyn while u were tendin to ur crops

Deal with it

>>121279100
>how far from the ape
Yea and modern europeans are closer to chimps than east asians but pure Western Hunter Gatherers were further away from chimps than modern chinks. I think they were further away from east asian gooks than modern europeans as well.

>>121281497
do u plan to study something related to this? in an institution i mean

>>121282047
>We share the most alleles with the hunter-gatherer.
Not true, Basques, Latvians and Lithuanians share much more. We have lowered WHG due to recent 5% jewish admixture and other recent southern admixtures from middle ages.

>>121282111
Not sure I'm busy already.

>>121282543
I see. well thank you for your kind reply

>>121282435
Lies

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012/04/prehistoric-scandinavians-genetically.html?m=1

>>121282743
>2012
That guy updated his shit and in 2012 the existence of WHG wasn't discovered yet.

>>121282743
it all depends on what test you use obviously, lots of WHG ancestry can be masked by farmers since the latter were a mixed group to begin with and not a race of their own
Davidinski, the guy from the blog you quoted, made a new one last year and the people with the most WHG input are Basques and Lithuanians, and his results are robust with respect to other stats

>>121282041

He's talking about mtDNA and Y-DNA - and Yamnaya/Afanesevo people were not PIE. They were Indo-European. That's (chronologically) a huge difference.


Because PIE people did not have a writing system (because IE-cultures developed writing systems much later).

They relied solely on oral tradition - none of which exists in todays Slavic countries. All slavic myths are attempted reconstructions based on other , proven/existing myths.
>>121282057


Again you are mixing genetic distance and ancestral distance with actual differences in hominization.

>>121260282
what's that gif about

>>121283071
EEF is pretty much Natufian+WHG. Bedouins are Natufian+CHG+SSA.

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pic related is a table that lists some traits that are commonly used in physical anthropology to compare between primitive vs infantile vs progressive traits

>>121283321
Big Slavic cock in germany 1945

>>121283224
>He's talking about mtDNA and Y-DNA
I'm sure he is obviously also talking about autosomal DNA, since we have both from Yamnaya and Afanasevo, who, in terms of the latter, were pretty much genetically identical

>>121283398
something like that, yeah, although Natufians themselves can't be treated as something pure of their own I think, they had already something WHG-like and weren't pure basal, that's what makes it hard to understand what was going on

>>121283224
>hominization.
Pseudoscience

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>>121283909


complete pseudoscience, evolution doesn't exist


rather measure meaningless numbers and try to arbitrarily come up with something that suits my slavic inferiority complex

>>121283909
So what is the conclusion on Armenians and armenoids.

I'm a bit lost

>>121283705
Natufians were 50% basal eurasian and 50% UHG. Unfortunately we don't really know what either of them really are since neither BE nor UHG were found in pure form so far. UHG seems to be related to WHG but not the same.
Actually it's possible that WHG/Villabruna-cluster is El Miron+UHG.

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>>121284364
Armanians are CHG+Iran Neolithic+Natufian. They barelly have any Euroepan genes.
They also have small australoid admixture.
Georgians look much more euroepan-like but only have like 10% more WHG than armenians. I mean Kim Kardashian is only half armienian but look iranian-like.

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>>121284364


He is trying to make racial conclusions of genetic make up , which doesn't work because he can't measure anything that matters , there is no way currently to tell how somebody looks just by looking at his DNA , the only thing we can do is measure distances between DNA and different DNA make ups.
The hominization of humans is a fact if you believe in evolution and the biology behind sexual selection for certain traits based on different environments (socially and ecologically).

>>121285177
Yes there is to some extent. We know pure WHGs didn't look like modern mixeD Euroepans frm SNPs.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/07/genome-wide-variants-of-eurasian-facial.html

>>121285775
http://www.anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-4622.html

>>121285177
I think hominization makes sense as a concept but clearly it has no bearing for racial taxonomy since those traits appear/don't appear in closely related individuals from the same stock. We can't talk about Nordids/Alpines/Meds as actual races anymore like your mate Coon did.
Of course there will be some part of DNA responsible for those processes leading to Alpinization/Dinarization and so on.

>>121248807
>Tfw Dinaric Pole

Feels good man.

>>121284135
>complete pseudoscience, genetics are a jewish lie!

Here, let me measure distance between the corner of the eye and the base of the nose to determine your racial composure instead!

The XIX century bullshit yourve been perpetrating for over 4 hours is a crutch pseudoscience developed because we had no access to genetic research.

No different from claiming air doesn't exist because you can't see it.

>>121286079


Yes, because this genetic relation doesn't matter in the racial sense. You are falling for the "the individual variation in a population is bigger than the variation between population" trap created by Cavalli-Sforza and modern geneticists to dismiss that "races" exist.


The races as they appear in physical anthropology share anthropometric properties , and as long as genetic testing can not produce this data it is useless in terms of determining a racial classification that is comparable to physical anthropometry.


I'm not interested in how far whole of Italy is from Switzerland genetically. I want to know if they underwent the same selection.


That's what matters. One is the degree of evolution, the other one is something for the history books (X and Y mixed so and so much)

>>121287375
hey. will you please answer these ? at your convenience?

>where'd Aryans originate (india/pakistan, right?)
>who are the modern Aryans today?
>what was the first Aryan religion?

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>>121248807
Mongoloid admixture

Real redpill is that "real aryans" no longer exist anymore.

However, they pretty much universally had a dolichocephalic skull structure. Most poles are brachycephalic, due to indigenous European substrata.

A lot of bronze age samples from Europe show relatively low concentrations of haplogroup R. It's possible that there was never any real "invasion", but that R was simply predisposed to birthing sons, leading to its prevalence today.

>>121287375
>You are falling for the "the individual variation in a population is bigger than the variation between population" trap created by Cavalli-Sforza and modern geneticists to dismiss that "races" exist.
no, not at all, if anything you are falling for the opposite concept, that with few phenotypical expression you can fully capture race
only by looking at the whole picture you can find race, and the whole picture is DNA

again, you are in Switzerland, so you probably see lots of short stocky short headed brachycephalic Alpines living nearby tall slender aurignacoid Nordomeds/Atlantids and whatever, do you think they are of two different "races"?
if so, clearly we have different definitions of races, and mine, based on DNA, will be definitely more precise in determining where one comes from than yours when it comes to the subracial level

>>121287375

>there is no way currently to tell how somebody looks just by looking at his DNA

Yeah, no. We can pretty much do 100% accuracy for skin, hair, and eye color.

Facial features are more complex but we have some data there too.

Genetics are the end-all be-all. Anything else is unquantifiable, unobjective, empiricist bullshit.

There are modes of selection that could be relevant, but they are antithetical to white nationalism.

For example, assume that cold climates select for intelligence. It's all well and good that Japs are very smart, but you are objectively cucking yourself by promoting Japs over Mohammeds, since the latter are quite literally contiguous with your own race.

Not to mention that even same-race ethnicities undergo highly different selection. Half of all northern Italians are lactose intolerant, but only 5% of African Tutsi are.

>>121259364
Basques are just Mediterraneans with slightly more Mesolithic ancestry. Nothing really unusually pure about it.

>>121287717
Aryan linguistically = Indo-Europeans

Aryan under the nazis = All aurignacoids and cromagnoids incl. some reduced cromagnoids but excluding the armenoids

Aryan in popular language = blonde and blue eyed and white skinned
As for Indo-European Origin:


1. probably in the Northern part of South Asia/Afghanistan/Southern Iran, NOT in the Caucasus , NOT in todays Russia/Ukraine/Eastern Europe

2. all indo-european speakers

3. proto-indo-european religion (closest being Vedic and Old-Avestan religion)
>>121288310

I'm not an enemy of genetics or modern science, it's just that currently nothing of anthropometrical value is being measured (or it can't be measured sufficiently right now).

Current Physical Anthropology also captures the factor of social dominance, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the end..

Yes, Sarmatism, widespread nobility and heavy gallop cavalry are all signs of Aryanism

>>121254991
you are retarded. Slavic languages didn't borrow from sanskrit, they borrowed from Iranian languages. (Iranian tribes used to live from modern day Ukraine all the way r
to persia).

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>>121289974
thanks anon! just starting to study the past and youve given me some great places to start

>>121286079
>those traits appear/don't appear in closely related individuals from the same stock.
This. Usually a child inherits more phenotype variation either from their father or mother. A mulatto child usually turn out more Europid or more Sub-Saharan, but just because they may differ in that regard doesn't mean they aren't roughly 50/50 genomically. Following this logic it's possible to introduce phenotype variation into a population while keeping it relatively homogeneous. To the layman it may seem as if it corresponds to huge genetic variation.

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>>121292157
And I might add that obviously phenotypes are not complete hogwash though -- when you have a completely alien phenotype introduced to a population it's easier to distinguish it by the majority, but you have to be able to discern local phenotype variation from foreign, which most foreigners are not able to do when looking at populations they are not familiar with.

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>>121292454

>>121289974
>>121287375
>>121286079
>>121288310
Some traits are dominant, other recesivve.
If you have some "race" such as modern europeans that is composed of a few different prehistoric races that no longer exist in pure form then it impossible to tell how those component races looked based on physical athropology of the modern population.
Even ANE was mixed. It seems to be Vestonice+some unknown east eurasian with perhaps Onge admixture.

>>121289391
>100% accuracy for skin, hair, and eye color.
Actually we can't yet. We don't know if WHGs were coal-black or dark brown for example.

>>121289391
>For example, assume that cold climates select for intelligence. It's all well and good that Japs are very smart, but you are objectively cucking yourself by promoting Japs over Mohammeds, since the latter are quite literally contiguous with your own race.

Mostly due to basal eurasian admixture in modern euroepans. WHG and basal eurasians were totally different races. Still majority of means have little to no WHG, they mostly have UHG.
However Natufians are closer to pure WHG than ANE( read mongloid) admixed Zagros Iranian Farmers.
Evolutionary corelations between ENAs. west, east, basal and south(australoids) eurasians are still unclear. We know there has been bidirectional geneflow between many population since neolithic. However modern europeans have both east eurasian and basal eurasian admixture, yet modern east asians have neither. They are a mix of just a few stains of only east eurasians. Which makes them much more racially pure than europeans, who have at least two stains of west eurasian along with ENA and basal admixtures.

>>121267209
>being this bluepilled about ww2
cuck

>>121292454
Mongoloids and negroids are very strongly physically differentiated, and also extremely genetically divergent. It seems west and basal eurasians weren't as strong differianted with each other. However basal eurasians were probably very skinny, on the other hand iranians are much more robust than bedouins but that may be due to mongoloid/ANE admixture.

>>121294354
Okay I checked and he wanted to germanize some and enslave/gas/deport to Ural others.

>>121248807
LOL. I'm Indian with R1a. I guess I'm white.

>>121295408
No but you've iranian/siberian admixture.

>>121295767
>53 posts by this ID
I admire your passion.

>>121295767
So more than 50% of Indians have Iranian/Siberian admixture? The majority of Indians have R1a.

>>121251260

What skin color do you think R1A is? If that makes sense?

Why are Poles so white and Iranian/Indians so brown?

>>121249011
>The Ultimate Aryans are Jews,
Jews are nothing more than arab sand niggers of a different religion.

>>121260575
>Poles have infiltrated every country and we are about to overthrow the world governments.

Uh...yeah. And Parma, spelled backwards is Amrap.

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>>121285175
Wrong completely on Armenians.

Average Georgian is at least 5% Arabic
http://stepfeed.com/dna-analysis-proves-arabs-aren-t-entirely-arab-4864
They're also descended from Turkic Khazars that migrated south. Basically they're a mutt race.

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>>121285175
>I mean Kim Kardashian look iranian-like.

Are Dutch and Scottish even white?

>>121299181
Arab invasion of Iran and the genocide of the Zoroastrians.

>>121299181
Indians are brown due to hot climate and australoid admixture. Iranians aren't that dark but they live in hotter climate so there was no need for them to be fully white. Some darker iranians have australoid admixture. However iranians were first prehistoric population that developed relatively light skin and europeans got that allele from them. Later europeans developed second depigmenting mutation that middle eastern population don't have. But that was when europeans were already admixed.

>>121248807
Aren't Poles mostly Jewish? Asking this as a Pole, statistically most of the Jews rounded up in the Holocaust were Polish Jews.

I should get a 23andMe test

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>>121298558
All Indians have those admixtures just in different degrees, otherwise all of you would similar to australian aborigenes. Just like all europeans have basal eurasian and almost all have siberian admixture.
This is how origonal Indian abbos looked like but keep in mind this Paniya probably still has some neolithic iranian admixture. Paniya are 83% ASI on average.

>>121304952
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/
Acoording to this we are 5% jewish. That would explain why lithuanians are 50% WHG, whereas we 45%.

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yo yo niggas stop trash talking me

WE

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>>121253562
And what have Westerners contributed that wasn't created by Jews or taken from other countries? Slavs have contributed a respectable amount.

>>121309009
How many of that russian slavs were actually kikes? Besides russians are hapas not real slavs.

>>121309305
Look into those people before saying they were Jews.

>>121309467
Many could be cryptojews like a lot of soviet, russian and german scientists.

>>121309625
That's saying that every smart person must be a cryptojew. If they have a Jewish background, that's when someone is a Jew.

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Haplog - Y-dna are only a set of dna,father to father and so on.

>>121308157
Source for this PCA?
Yemenis are pretty much saudis with bigger nigger admixture.

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>>121311061
http://esquilax.stanford.edu/
Need a 23andMe first. Or some type of testing.

>>121311300
Does it work with Gedmatch?

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>>121311510
you bet your ass it does, here's mine.

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>>121248807
WE WUZ SARMATIANS 'N SHIT?

>>121311510
what the fuck have you spent 60 posts arguing about, m8