Why shouldn't non whites IN GENERAL stay in their own countries?

If none of those people in those nations act like they are responsible for anything with regards to the state/situation of those nations, then nobody does anything to improve it so it just spirals further and further down..

These things don't just happen by themselves, nor should people pretend as if they can't do anything to change the situation.

There's one exception that everyone should be willing to make however and that's the exception we have always made, and that is with regards to war refugees. They should be in safe zone or similar situation whilst the conflict is attempted to be resolved as fast as possible so that these people can return and are assisted in rebuilding afterwards.

Let's be very clear if you come from a poor nation or a nation where there's drug cartels that run things and such, you are NOT a war refugee, you are not a refugee whatsoever. And if you run away from that situation who is supposed to sort out that situation? someone else yeah? but who? not you apparently.

You are a person who lives in a nation where they have in combination made bad decisions so they are very poor and these things (and if you are very poor don't have 10 kids should be common sense, because then they will be poor and starving aswell) and throwing them at other nations that the can develope huge problems from that reckless irresponsibility so that now they also develope big problems over time then how can they also help you sort out your problems back in your original nation if they are also destabilized?

And not enough with that, they move to majority white nations and then say stupid shit like "good night white pride" Ok.. why the fuck should you be allowed to be proud of yourself then?

Just imagine if massive groups of people from all over started mass migrating to asian countries or south american countries and started saying "good night south american pride, or good night asian pride" and "we must dismantle asian supremacy" or "dismantle black supremacy in africa, you are not diverse enough" It's not some sinister supremacy to be a majority in your own nation, do you know why asians are majority in their own nation? it's because those are the people who created and built those nations you fucking retards, it's not asian supremacy. or african supremacy or south american supremacy or whatever else supremacy.. it's simply the fact that they were the group of people who lived in those nations for ages and built those nations.. And you don't have any right whatsoever to ethnically displace them or to come to their nations and then yelling racist remarks and pretend as if they aren't entitled to deciding what happens in their own nations anymore just becuase you apparently decided that instead of dealing with the problems in your own nations, you decided to move somewhere else and then instantly believe that you are entitled to run the show and behave exactly as you please in those places.

Do you know who the real racists are, the migrants who do precisely that, not white people who are simply in their own nations.. And then these assholes come into their house and tell them how they should behave and call them racist if they disagree. And start a kind of process where they insist that whites should not be representative majority in various fields in their OWN NATIONS.. which in itself is a total ethnic debasement of white people in their own nations. If you want non whites to be overrepresented then perhaps you should have stayed in your own majority nations!

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>>119309194
>>119309908
>>119310722

You've put a lot of effort into this Dane, Have a bump and some well earned (you)s

Well the thing is, if they abandoned their home country, what makes you think they'll ever be loyal to the ones they migrate to, when they're radically different?

And assume you let them all in, and after like 100 years the new country goes to shit because of all the migrants, what will they do then? They won't try to fix their new home or go back to their original home, they'll just migrate again to a new better country.

Knowing this, why would you want these sorts of people around?

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>>119309194
How about you whities stay in your own countries and stop taking our jobs and women in Asia?

A simple solution for any nation that hasn't been hijacked by globalists:

>We take exactly so many of yours as you take of ours.

literally what is the point of writing all this

Did you somehow not realize that YOUR ENTIRE AUDIENCE would not already think this way

>>119311803
I could imagine something where they just send their very worst in exchange for yours though, and they outbreed you anyway. Not to mention if they have a bigger population.

Can you imagine making that a national stance, and then China happens by all like "Dis mus b my rucky day!" And does the exchange for like 50 million people, and that's rain drops in the ocean to them.

>>119309194
You need to take a step back and have a look at who is driving this migration and the reasons for it.
It basically comes down to votes and the dreamy socialist utopia.
The masses who support this politically correct culture have no idea what they are doing, most of them anyway.

I think you will like reading this
https://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/electing-a-new-people-the-leftist-islamic-alliance/

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i tried explaining this simply to people i find smart

THEY FAILED ME


>>119311980
too many fucking newfags and peddittors currently

>>119311803
>>We take exactly so many of yours as you take of ours.

That wouldn't work because of birthrates, rather it would be important to have relative to birthrates only a certain % cap of migrants and then you say sorry we can't take anymore.. Because otherwise you will overwhelm us and completely change the constitution of our nation.

It's not like a nation should have absolutely zero migrants from everywhere else. But it's way too many that are coming in to majority white nations. And then it's no longer about accomodating guests that wish to be part of it, no then you are accomodating many groups of people who have no interest in just being a guest.

>>119311462
Well exactly and it would be a little bit different if they kept their head down and didn't try to change everything, but that's not what's happening, you can see that very much in the US aswell where illegal immigrants end up lobbying for further mass migration. That's really attempt of ethnic debasement. And they have obvious conflict of interest when they do so, it's not like it's white americans they care about is it.

>>119311980
I wanted to give the non whites on this board that make all kinds of anti white posts on this board an opportunity to explain themselves. and maybe realize how wrong they are for doing so.

>>119312209
>they use migrants to secure votes
Yeah. But the inevitable result is ethnic displacement if it is allowed to continue.

>>119309194

Worst part is that they raise taxes to deincentivize Ethnic swedes and Germans from reproducing while giving insane welfare to incentivize the shit skinned to reproduce.

Like the one Germanon who worked as a social worker posted a pic of the receipt for 5k euros a month some sandniggers were getting for having 3 kids and they got more money added per ever kid they spawn.

>>119312157
I think you're missing the point - you don't just ship off as many people (against their will) as the other country wants to trade. Instead you say "Ok China, 43 Kiwis wanted to move to China this year so we'll take up to 43 of you."

>>119312707
Right exactly, and couple that with them having say 5 kids whilst ethnic swedes have what maybe 2.. when you introduce that situation aswell, you lower the birthrates even lower so whilst the ethnic swedes are working their ass off, the migrants are sitting on welfare with their kids, and then bringing over uncles and nephews and cousins and their kids and all the rest of it.. that then speeds up the process even further. Which means that let's say those 100.000 will have grown to 500.000 over just a few years, and roughly -500.000 swedes (not mathethematically accurate but not too far off the mark either but good enough for illustrating the process.

Actually if they did like hungary is doing now, and financially incentivized native swedes or native germans to have kids, they could stabilize their birthrates. And also ofcourse with the anti white propaganda, many native swedes then end up hooking up with migrants aswell, which makes it even worse because the aforementioned would just be if they had only couples in their ingroups. (swedes on swedes, migrants on migrants). So it's even worse than that if it's allowed to continue for many years into the future.

because our countries suck, please gib

>>119312707
this is why you could for example say that there should be no welfare for migrants for say the first 10-15 years, either you get work/able to provide for yourself or you get told to leave, because that would then leave them in a similar situation to ethnic swedes, can't afford the kids, too bad, don't fucking have them then.

This would also get rid of the economic migrants, once they hear about that they will stop coming, i remember during the mass migration flood, some danish politicians posted flyers in middle east and africa saying "very reduced gibs if you come here" as a result they walked right through denmark and got on a boat to sweden saying "we don't want to stay in denmark we want to go to sweden". Pretty obvious why they overwhelmingly pick places like sweden and germany whilst ignoring many other nations..

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>>119309194
Why didn't white people stay in Europe?

Why did they have to immigrate to the America's, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India and elsewhere over the last few hundred years?

All of your arguments apply to them too, why does it only have to be one way?

>>119312924
>I think you're missing the point - you don't just ship off as many people (against their will) as the other country wants to trade. Instead you say "Ok China, 43 Kiwis wanted to move to China this year so we'll take up to 43 of you."
Yes exactly. People want to get out of third world shitholes, not move there.

Let's say you are a petroleum engineer. The petrol industry in your country is shrinking but the US needs a lot of people to expand its shale business. Why should you be tied down to a shit salary when you are more needed in the US?

Let's say you are a talented sculptor. The economy of your country is shit so there's not that many orders. However you can easily do animatronics but the only place in the world that needs that is Hollywood. Why should you be talented and starve?

Let's say you are an amazing financial analyst. Instead of working for your county bank why should you be blocked to work with other talented people on Wall Street?

>>119313337
>Why did they have to immigrate to the America's
If the native of America, Australia and New Zealand didn't want immigration, they shouldn't have given them residence permits. Oh, wait a minute...

The natives' leaders in those places didn't grant their invaders citizenship. Conquering/settling =/= immigrating.

>>119313337
>Why didn't white people stay in Europe?

>Why did they have to immigrate to the America's, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India and elsewhere over the last few hundred years?

>All of your arguments apply to them too, why does it only have to be one way?

No it actually doesn't but i'm glad one of you decided to reply here. America was built from the ground up by european settlers, they didn't come and ask for gibs.

Australia was essentially convicts that in just a few hundred years had created a fully fledged 1st world nations in one of the most hostile territories on the planet.

New zealand kind of the same thing isn't it?

Africa they only came for the ressources they didn't ethnically displace the population infact they segregated themselves from the africans and also built all kinds of infrastructure for them. And they left afterwards. And setup trade routes and various things. Also this was actually very few nations that were involved in this.

Same with india with the east india trade company.

These migrants don't bring jack shit to majority white nations, but ask for gibs and they come so many that they are ethnically displacing whites in their own fully fledged nations that they have spent centuries/millennia+ building up.

So no you can't compare it whatsoever, it's not even remotely the same thing.

>>119309194
They totally should actually. People need to learn how to develop their own nations so they will be prosperous too.

>>119313485
Because when the best and brightest migrate away from 2nd or 3rd world nations instead of putting in their skill to improve them, those nations never get off the ground, because those were precisely the ones who could improve them, but instead bail on them. And you just get more poverty and so on.

Here's a video you should watch that explains this in a way that it becomes very hard to refute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

>>119313485
>Why should you be tied down to a shit salary when you are more needed in the US?
Because Americans could do that job.

>Why should you be talented and starve?
Plenty of people are talented at things that are unneeded. Tough luck.

>Instead of working for your county bank why should you be blocked to work with other talented people on Wall Street?
Because you should try and lift your own shithole out of third world status. The US has plenty of amazing financial analysts and if they run low, they can educate Americans to do it.

>>119313759
>this fucking argument again

>lol we built stuff there so it's totally okay

no, white people came forcefully and took over the land that other people were living on, that in and of itself is morally wrong, regardless of what you build when you get there

BTW we brought some not so good things too, like war, disease and slavery

slavery is kind of a "gibs" program, "gib" me labor or else!!!!!!!!

>>119313485
>>119313931
Also the vast quantity of those that migrate, are people who don't have those skills whatsoever.. only extremely few of these are the way you describe, and also come LEGALLY as part of the legal quota accepted every year, instead of illegally btw.

The vast majority of these migrants are not at all in that category. This is just wishful thinking. And the ones with expertize who come as legal immigrants again were the ones who could put in the work to uplift those nations to get them up to potentially 1st world level over a period of decades, and then all of a sudden.. WOAH.. nobody wants to run away from those nations anymore cause why should they when those nations start running well? And then it's better for everyone globally.

>>119313759
>Africa they only came for the ressources they didn't ethnically displace the population infact they segregated themselves from the africans and also built all kinds of infrastructure for them.

Rhodesia and South Africa were first world nations that were considered miracles because they'd been built from nothing. People weren't just there for resources in those places at least.

>>119313931
Dude here's the thing - there is no gaming industry in my country. There is no film industry in my country. Yet there's all these people that I know that have learned programming, 3d modelling, painting etc all their life and there's no industry to accomodate them. Is it better that they just be a fucking clerk because "muh borders" ?

I've seen that video before. I'm not advocating bringing all the gypsies, thieves and scum of the earth to western nations. I'm just saying good people should deserve a better chance at life.

> Never in 100 years will there be a booming gaming or film industry in Romania because there's other shit that's more important to develop first

>>119314103
>like war, disease and slavery
You think that war didnt exist in North America, Australia or NZ before Europeans?

The disease argument is kinda valid but they'd have been eventually exposed to it.

>>119313602
so Conquering is ok, immigration is not?

then you would be cool with a Muslim army conquering Europe? You would never say a word about "muh land" after it was all over because "hey they won fair and square"?

such a fucking liar

>>119314274
>Never in 100 years will there be a booming gaming or film industry in Romania because there's other shit that's more important to develop first

Then focus on those things instead of having your talented people move away?

>>119314090
>Plenty of people are talented at things that are unneeded. Tough luck.

No, you dumb aussie, there's people that are talented at things not needed IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
> be trapeze artist
> starve in Romania
> work at Cirque du Soleil and get 100k/year

Also, there's no way specialists are a priority in a country that starves and has no infrastructure. KYS

>>119314103
>slavery
you talking about the slavery already setup by the africans and the muslims that ran for 1400 years in contrast to the trans atlantic slave trade that lasted for 400 or so years? And the former slaves then got citizenship afterwards?

It's hard to get a point across when you are so historically illiterate about what actually happened with regards to these things, in your mind white people just came BTFO everyone that's not at all what happened. Nor did whites ethnically displace africans in africa or any such thing.

Vid related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOvdgXSy_Q

Actually one of the only examples you have of somewhat ethnic displacement was the native americans with the british colonialists. Who gave them reservations afterwards aswell as the number was highly overexaggerated and there wen't 100 gorillian indians whatsoever nor any nation whatsoever.. it was closer to 10 million.

Besides this was a very different time than it is today. And everyone on earth practiced slavery in some form, including of their own people. Are you aware that europeans could not get education either for a long time, that was reserved for the nobility.

These things you mention was a very different time where the world operated very differently. And you can't compare this to today and say "oh whites need to be minority in their own nations because they established a trade empire in parts of africa and india".

>>119309908
>I want to hear a proper argument why these people should not be essentially forced to stay in their home nations
The only argument that normies have is "we must help those in need" which is bullshit.
>even letting the smart ones of them leave is bad
That is also bullshit. Iq is also determined by environment. You think some black guy would be able to do anything if he was stuck in a shithole? He would help them more if he was born in an industrial nation and invent some shit that could help them in their own countries.

>>119314307
>conquering is ok immigration is not..

There's a massive difference between building a nation from the ground up (like the case of essentially all the ones you mention) aswell as there's massive difference from setting up trade cities and stuff like this. than there is from mass migrating to an already fully fledged nation and ethnically displacing their population.

You don't seem to understand the difference, nor that these things were common place, and africans would routinely run around slaughtering eachother and selling them to the highest bidder either, infact one of the black african slavers in the west africa didn't want slavery to end because it was too profitable for him.

you don't see africans do that today do you.. It was a very different time.

>>119314127
THAT is wishful thinking. You think you can be a screenwriter in fucking Mongolia? Or think about how many bright people were sent to the GULAG in Soviet Russia.

You have this naive idea that talent is actually recognized in shit countries as it is in developed countries. Here in Ro that is only the case in Multinational Corporations - so still the west basically.

>>119312949
>incentivized native swedes or native germans to have kids
Short-term this could be accomplished by encouraging non-westerners to leave, freeing up jobs, housing, money for child birth subsidies etc. etc.
Long term we will need a culture overhaul.

>>119309194
with controlled immigration, we can brain drain them of their best and brightest to maintain dominance

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>>119309194
Your logic is flawless. This is what I too have been saying. The status quo economic models have it all wrong. They are constantly chanting "more jobs" , "we need to grow our economy! " but they have no arguments to explain WHY they want this nor do they ever explain why it must be migrants who should provide the solution.

The scary thing is we have already been tricked and have let them settle into our lands for a long time. Just as logically as you explained the situation, it is equally logical that we deport every single last one of them at any cost to our precious global economies. Now they tell us "it is too late you will never be able to send back that many people" and "they are here legally" or "they are born here too now, so they have every right to stay" because they don't want to swallow the hard truth, experience emotional pain, and make a real investment in their own people and set the human species back on its proper course.

>>119314696
>You think you can be a screenwriter in fucking Mongolia?
No but you have to build up companies for yourself to service your population you can't just say "ok we don't have this now that means we can never have this". How do you think things came about in the west they sat down and said "ok we don't have this that means we can never have this".. Today there's so many possibilities to educate yourself about how to do these things, because someone else already find out how to do this from the ground up and all you have to do is take it and implement similar things in your own nations..

You can't just act as if no other nations on the planet have to do anything for themselves except for the currently well functioning ones that got to that situation due to hard work and innovation?

I have never had a leftist freak out worse than when I pointed out that all we do by enabling them is kill millions of their children. These people have no ability to rationally look at the situation.

>>119314307
>so Conquering is ok, immigration is not?
>ok (and "acceptable", etc.) are attitudes toward things, not properties of them
Neither is "ok" from the point of view of the population being replaced. Both are from the point of view of the ones doing the replacing. The problem is if the replacement groups' leaders go along with it. That might be universally "not ok".

>>119314481
>slaves then got citizenship afterwards
making excuses for one of the worst institutions in human history

>Who gave them reservations afterwards
more excuses

>different time
not an argument

you can do some back flips to apologize for atroshious actions of white people, when another group just want's to just move into a better place to live they are suddenly the worst thing ever

>>119314894
Again, I'm not saying you should bring the lowest of the low to the west. My argument is just that skilled labour should be allowed to move freely. The scum of the earth should not be allowed to move and fuck shit up.

Do you think a Romanian specialist wants to spend 10 years getting citizenship for Norway and then 2 million gypos come as "refugees" and fuck everything up just like home?

>>119315168
You're an imbecile and useful idiot, if not one of the non whites or an enemy out right.

>>119313337

I don't think it justifies the current situation.

Someone would have conquered the America's.

>>119314692
>building a nation from the ground up
same argument as before, yes we all know that white people came in and built stuff

but it was wrong for them to enter a place that was not theirs and take over, however it happened

so you can't make and argument that it's ok when we do it bad when someone else does it

>>119315205
>Do you think a Romanian specialist wants to spend 10 years getting citizenship for Norway and then 2 million gypos come as "refugees" and fuck everything up just like home?

No, but again you're comparing the few legal immigrants of high quality like some specialist with the mass quantities of illegal immigrants, your own argument is just proving my case.. this "refugee" shit has got to go, because they are not war refugees they are economic migrants.

And again if those people with expertize if they stayed in their own nations and used that expertize to improve them, then those nations living standard would start to improve instead of never getting off the ground.

You can't just have the few excellent people just immediately leave their own nations.. without any consequence. This just skews issues of poverty and 2nd and 3rd world nations even further, what.. those "gyppos" are going to fix romania up for you? ofcourse not. But if the skilled romanians started up local businesses there and such, then THAT would be something that would change that situation.

>different time is not an argument
wew lad.

>Why shouldn't non whites IN GENERAL stay in their own countries?
Because everything they manage to conquer becomes their land.

>>119315311
>so you can't make and argument that it's ok when we do it bad when someone else does it
It's not at all the same situation, it's just a false moral justification for hating all white people. Pretty clear what your desire is.

>>119309194
It's a free world

>>119315311
We conquered north America dumbass. It was very sparsely populated with primitive savages who had spent centuries conquering eachother. The fact is whites thrived and replaced them. There are no rules other than watch out for your own kind.

>>119315311
Maybe you should look up which nations were even involved in those things you describe?

>something bad happened in the past, let me make a revisionistic history of it so that all white people are literally the most evil persons ever, now it's our turn to fuck us over, let us in so we can fuck you over or you are a racist
Pot calling the kettle black.

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>>119315474
Look at this fucking shit. Germany has 5 TIMES as much income per capita than Ro. Norway has almost 10 TIMES that!

We are NEVER catching up, not in my lifetime. And nobody should be forced to work in something they are not interested in just because the industry they are aiming for is not existent in their own country.

>>119311271
Now there's an awful post

>>119314274
>> Never in 100 years will there be a booming gaming or film industry in Romania because there's other shit that's more important to develop first

Wow then maybe all the really smart Romanians should stay they FUCK in Romania and develop that shit instead of selling out to go fucking paint pictures and program video games in America!

Do you even know what "Brain Drain" is? Immigration hurts America when countries send over their scum, and immigration hurts the Third World when they send over their best and brightest. Its a lose-lose situation for both countries. WE DONT NEED MORE PEOPLE. And YOU dont need all your smart and educated people to leave. Stay home and HELP YOUR OWN COUNTRY. Immigrants are straight up traitors, i dont care how bad their countries are. Stay home and FIX THEM

>>119309194
Literally the people pushing for open borders/mass immigration think that all non whites are oppressed by whites. And by removing whites, we remove oppression.

Being born white in America is really a punishment.

>>119311622
They need real men not lady boys

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>>119315959
Good lord anon, have you ever heard of communism? Or the Soviet Union?

You are acting as if meritocracy was always the norm always forever and ever and you could just sort your country up if you really wanted to.

About BRAIN DRAIN - there's a surplus of labour in poorer countries and a lack of capital. There's a lack of labour and a surplus of capital in developed countries. That's why immigration is possible. Read a fucking book and stop watching the normie news.

>>119315642
>no rules other than watch out for your own kind.
ok so the immigrants are just looking out for their own kind

so what is the problem?

>>119315848
Your particular example of video games is a bad choice, since it needs no particular infrastructure, just manpower and skills which you say are already available in Romania. The slavs have successful video game companies that turn their lower salaries into an advantage by getting more videogame for less budget than western studios.

Your petroleum engineer example is much better for illustrating your point, but even so skilled immigration should preferably only happen between similar cultures, ie. between Scandinavian countries, between Baltic countries, between the Benelux countries etc.

>>119309194
>>119309908
>>119310722

Well said. Here's some (you)s.

>>119316342
The problem is we are not them and them coming in is bad for us. Are you 5 years old and can't read the OP?

>>119316365
>skilled immigration should preferably only happen between similar cultures

Why? Most romanians I know speak better English here at home than pajeets that have been living in New York for 6 years. And they really want to assimilate in the new culture.

Why do you suggest that?

>>119315848
Why not? Why is it a right to work in what you're interested in? How far do you take that right?

If I study african American studies, is it my right to have an industry that will employ me? Is it my right to have employment given to me in the specific interest I have?

You're a moron. No one owes you shit, you're worthless and replaceable, so suck it up and work through it like billions of others are, you spoiled piece of shit.

>>119309194
Here m8 have a better argument that liberals can't just dismiss with calling you racist and saying whites destroyed their country (please do ask them to provide real evidence if that happens)
Anyway https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

>>119311462
Third world migrants are like a swarm of locusts, flying from field to field destroying them in the process.

>>119313337
Whites brought civilization to those places
You are a nigger. You did not create civilization
I know you're terrible at math but this video might be able to get through to you, even though I'm sure you have an agenda and it involves getting even with whitey.
https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE

>>119316639
> australian
> calling a romanian spoiled
> thinking he's not as worthless and replaceable
> telling others to suck it up

You're like a trust fund kid that tells a waiter to suck it up and work it through and that he had it just as tough.

Nobody talked about rights, you moron - if a foreign company WANTS TO HIRE YOU (even with you african studies degree) they should be free to do so. I know it doesn't fit your world view where everybody not born in the west is a worthless piece of shit but the reality is almost every country has good people in it that just want a better chance.

>>119316537
>Most romanians I know speak English
How good is your Norwegian?
Regardless of your desire to assimilate,it is never a 100% assimilation of the host culture. You do not share its history, its traditions and its worldview, nor its genes. Your children's grandchildren might, but at that point the country would have been better off having its own children instead of having to go through three generations of diluting the immigrant.

>>119314731
>because the kind of orcs that are imported are totaĺly ingeneers guyz!
not sure if still blue-pilled or just a jew.

>>119316342
>american education

No wonder the Military is given so much funding, bullet sponges are all the future is good for in regards

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The left party in Norway proposed that if they were elected then all refugee children born in Norway would become Norwegian citizens. I can understand where they are coming from in a short sighted and purely emotional point of view, but how retarded do they have to be to think that laws like that are not going to be exploited?

Hell, they even managed to make their way to Norway. There are so many countries between their war torn home and the Nordic it's not even funny. At that point they're no longer refugees from their home, they are refugees from all the countries in between.

Hell, they don't even deserve reproductive rights in the host countries. If they're not willing to give up that luxury to come to a host country then maybe what they're running from is not so scary in the first place.

>>119317117
>norwegian

learnable.

>never assimilate

90% assimilation is better than trying to replace it.

>don't share history, traditions and genes

true

>worldview

varies

>your children's grandchildren might

more like your children, if you raise them right.

>>119314307
Ehh you try to use logic and fail miserably. The truth is I don't give a single fu k about whatever shade of genetic failure you are. Muslims can conquer Europe, I wouldn't like it but what really pisses me off is the leadership allowing it to happen. If we can fight back we could simply kill off the undesirables. It's not about being totally fair and all that other bullshit you're trying to talk about. Fuck you and your shit race. What's fair is conquering you and not giving you handouts and making you feel equal with institutionalized racism (affirmative action, Diversity quotas)

>>119317117
> dilluting the immigrant
That's what I don't get. We've got chinese people living here in Ro and nobody gives a shit. They work, they pay taxes and they contribute to society.

Meanwhile we have had gyppos here for hundreds of years and they still didn't assimilate and we absolutely hate each other's guts.

If you are a non white in a white region, you must be deported within our lifetime. This includes descendents of slaves who have been here for centuries. If you are a racemixers or race mixed with a non white, you must also be deported within our lifetime. You may have to fight us to survive our decision, but you will lose. Your best option is to try to repair the damage in your native regions.

If you have a single ancestor who was not of European decent, then you are unwhite and parry of the problem. Accept this truth. Accept that you must lose friends and family who never should have been here. The loss is real but necessary. This can be resolved as peacefully as possible, but you all have to go back. If you are a white and cannot accept losing your non white ties, then you must go back with them. See how willingly their native regions will want to accept you. This is natural and the jews have corrupted mankind for long enough.

>>119309194
>>119309908
>>119310722
flot skriv, broder!

>>119317400
so much dis.

We have a chink family here in the country's asscrack, and they get along just fine. A slight accent, but its about the same as the hungarians living here.

They also get harrassed by shitskins, so they're fitting in quite nicely.

>>119314823
As if we could ever undo this shit. The only option is to attempt to slow it and make it inevitably worse, or go "forward" so hard and fast that it all burns down and we remove ourselves from it

>>119317503
lul

>>119309194
because you are generalizing an entire people. You and I know that's fair, but to liberals that doesn't compute. They can only think in the small scale, the individual case. The fact that they have never been raped by a muslim means they are alright to them and YOUR the racist bigot for stereotyping.

>>119311622
look at your flag and think about what you just said Malaysia

>>119314307
This.

>>119317648
Lul?

I have provided a concrete goal with constructive options. Im only predicting violence when the will of the whites is ignored.

>>119309194
Because they're the ones who fucked it up. A nation is it's people.

>>119309908
>There's one exception that everyone should be willing to make however and that's the exception we have always made, and that is with regards to war refugees. They should be in safe zone or similar situation whilst the conflict is attempted to be resolved as fast as possible so that these people can return and are assisted in rebuilding afterwards.

The problem with this one is that the solution to this problem is always one thing and only one thing and couldn't possibly be any other thing than that they have to come to white countries, where reception is costlier than if we funded refugee camps closer to the conflict.

>>119313337
Most of us don't defend what happened to native americans/abos/etc., but to wrongs don't make one right

>>119318027
The jews have fucked it up for everyone.

You also forgot that this benefits no one other than people at the top in the long run. Your sadistic attitude towards whites backfires on all races.

>>119318126
*two
fucking phone

>>119317791
>because you are generalizing an entire people
How is policy supposed to do anything BUT generalize, since the law has to apply more or less equally to everyone?

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>>119311462
>Well the thing is, if they abandoned their home country, what makes you think they'll ever be loyal to the ones they migrate to, when they're radically different? Knowing this, why would you want these sorts of people around?

This, damn it, THIS ist the fucking reason why we have built a fence in our southern border...and if thing go on like this, we WILL need fences on our western borders too.

Though I'd rather we built walls like on the pic.
Heck, I don't like jews one bit, but they ARE good at building and securing walls.

>>119318343
Based Janos.

>>119318506
>Based Janos.

Just make sure you secure your own souther borders, man. I presume, you don't want mudslime hordes roaming unchecked in your country either.

>>119313485
It is likely that when youu are higher educated you also have a better ability to lead people as well. You could say that the structure of a computer program is kinds of a structure of a business. It is about setting up structure that works and for this you need the best ones to do it, regardless of their specific specialization.

>>119312997
GOOD THING WE HAVE AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP LMAO

>>119314274
Why did you learn these abilities when there are no opportunities? What is it that western countries provides but you don't have? Then focus on building exactly that. Since you claim equality, you must have the ability to do so as well. I would guess that a lot of these markets are saturated in the west, too.

>>119314274
Also just want to add that gaming industry and potentially film industry has a global market, you don't really need to move anywhere if you are a creator with the right ideas and manpower.

>>119313485
When you factor in the cost of living, the money in first-world cities is nowhere near as good as ANY immigrant imagines. Almost every single immigrant taxi driver I talk to regrets coming here because he misses his family and now he can't afford to visit them because he got caught in the rat race.

>>119318801
we have the danube and bulgaria as shield

>>119319766
Yep. They just grow to resent the native white population or their government. They turn inward and coehese with other migrants. Even slave niggers here for hundreds of years do it.

>>119319940
A shield is only as useful as the man holding it up.

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It's funny to see brainlet teens struggling with common sense concepts because they can't resolve said concepts with their recently adopted ideological beleif systems. The reason why people migrate is fairly plain and simple to anyone who is not wearing an ideological lens; Individuals seek opportunities in order to improve their lifestyle and create a sense of identity. That is human behavior 101; Everything else comes after. Nationalism and this ethnicity melo-drama is a meme that simply falls apart at the individual level. Teenagers like OP care about it because they desperately want to create a strong sense of identity and since they fail to do it on an individual level, they fall back upon their identity in order to justify their existence but they fail to realize that most productive members of their own society are embarrassed to the be part of the same group as them.

>>119316303
You want us to give access to our job markets, but what happens when we give you access? You will continue your corrupt culture that you have at home and in the end give the jobs to your own kind when you are in a senior position. For two reasons, you will feel entitled to this because you will your own kinds to be disadvanted and you probably have a lot of contacts from your place that you will prioritize. The other reason is simply that you will carry your culture here, which you claim to be corrupt and you will rationalize it with that it isn't that bad if only you do it.

>>119319766
>>119320053
Of course, it's not as bad with high-skill jobs, but it's also not that great still. Most of the time there isn't an actual shortage - these companies hire foreigners specifically because they want to give them a lower wage than Americans. Many of these jobs are centralized around major cities, which are EXPENSIVE.

A particularly bad example is computer programming and Silicon Valley - you'll earn a shitload of money working for a company like uber or amazon, but it won't go nearly as far as you would hope because SF is so expensive (and before you say it's the most expensive city in America, I have friends who have moved there from Melbourne and praised how much cheaper it is).

https://qz.com/918328/i-gave-up-my-perfect-google-charmed-life-in-the-us-to-move-back-home-to-india/

>>119320305
>lel you're just a racist pubescent teen fuck you drumpfkin
Or perhaps.. it's because nations that have busted their ass to give themselves high living standards are not interested in losing that by importing millions of unskilled economic migrants. nor are they interested in being ethnically displaced.

I thought for sure that india understood the impact of having a massive population and terrible infrastructure both generally and with regards to job opportunities etc.

Ofcourse people are interested in improving their living standard, many people are selfish, unfortunately not that many are patriotic and care about their wellbeing of their local communities and societies and nations, but that doesn't mean that well functioning nations should allow you to send your horde of dregs so that we have to deal with the problems of that, whilst being ethnically displaced, just so that you can have an easier time with improving your own living standards now that these are not in the way.

>>119320305
>muh individuality
Wow, what a punk. Such edge. Too bad you're actually a sheep.

You know who likes promoting individuality? The jew. This is the premise in diversity as well as cultural msrxism. It is the reduction and abstraction of a human that betrays nature and reality.

>>119320305
Nobody forced india to increase so insanely to a population of 1.6 billion people with the obvious consequence of having very low living standards per capita compared to other more responsible nations.

If you want a higher living standard try to pump out less kids and gradually try to match supply with demand for a change. Because that's kind of how it works, just using racism as a copout and saying all who care about remaining 1st world nations some kind of evil nationalists is ridiculous because that's not even what it's about.

If india had stabilized birthrates and excellent infrastructure and great local businesses etc. And some yahoos from the middle east or africa wanted to migrate by the tens of millions to your neck of the woods, and destroy that high living standard that you have aswell as creating ethnic and cultural strife, you would be saying "no fucking way stay out reeee!!" too but since the shoe is on the other foot you are like "Lel look at these racists".

I wish you good luck with superpower by 2020. But perhaps you need to change a few things about how you do things before you can get there.

People have this naive notion about that all it takes is space to accomodate people and then everyone can be fed and taken care of and can get whatever material things they want.. Well no if you don't produce most of it yourself and if there's too much demand relative to production, that's not how it works.

Iet this video illustrate to you just how close the american infrastructure, both nature and other things including living standard is to being completely undermined by too many people in the near future if mass immigration is kept up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ

And that's just with 500 or so million. Once a certain number is reached living standards plummets.. If the US decided to somehow get 1.6 billion people in america like you have in india, they could kiss the 1st world status goodbye!

>>119321889
It's no coincidence why the nations with the highest living standard per capita, also have relatively small population sizes compared to their surrounding environment.. Because that's how that is achieved! You scale too high the population compared to your infrastructure and production you get surprise surprise, mass poverty and even starvation.

But to some they pretend as if this living standard only exists because they have more than enough and so, let in massive amounts of migrants that go "gimmie some of that rich white boy" let in too many that whole situation vanishes like a fart in the wind.

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>>119320993
>>119320925

In Freudian psychology there is this idea of coping mechanisms; which are primarily designed to create a self delusion in order to avoid painful realities; Ideologies serves the same purpose en mass. The prime demographic of pol is young males who are suffering from an elongated identity crisis and as a result they find themselves joining political movements and adopting new ideologies.It's a well document phase in human development and it's amusing to watch because I had been suffering from the same impulse for a very long time but I seem to have resolved it recently. My only advice would be to not take yourself to seriously, lest you bust a nerve in the process.

>>119322721
>there's this idea of a coping mechanism
Well let me float that notion back to you, afterall isn't it pretty clear that india has very low living standards per capita, and the way to justify that instead of saying "ok we need to do something else" is to sit and call people who live in 1st world nations with high living standards and would like to keep it that way.. "evil racist nationalists" because then you don't have to think about what you ought to be doing yourself with regards to your own nation.. nono.. just call these nations racists if they don't want to play russian roulette with their entire situation that their ancestors for many many centuries busted their ass in a gradual process to achieve.

Eventhough there's so much education and so much advancement that you can take and literally implement in your own nations, it's not the know how that is lacking it's responsibility that is lacking.. Apparently it's the evil racists that's causing india to have well over 1 billion people and decreased living standards.

Really anon..

>>119322721
Didn't you realize that if india did things more responsibly there would not be that big reason to LEAVE india to get higher living standards in the first place? Because afterall who wants to leave a good thing, but others who HAVE a good thing going, they are evil for after having acted responsibly for many many centuries with quite a few sacrifices made aswell to achieve this situation.. they are evil for not deciding to be a drunk gambler at a casino with everything they've built up SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DID NOT ACT RESPONSIBLE YOURSELF this now becomes our problem? or we are evil racists? no sorry that's not how it works regardless how many gullible leftists you have convinced, because if they realized what that gamble could result in for how they live they would pull the brakes immediately but they haven't thought it through whatsoever..

>>119322721
Your entitlement to western society is the coping mechanism here. You could not stand the thought of not being "on par" with the white man which is why you want to prove yourself and therefore subscribe to the idea that of course you are equal to use and of course you should have free access to our countries.

>>119322203
Correlation does not imply causation. This concept would be clear if you had read even an introduction to the scientific method. That is what I mean when I say to not take yourself and 4chan in general so seriously; Instead spend your time studying these concepts. Migrants crisis in Europe is not an organic migration and it is result of failure of policy and instead of blaming the world you should hold your own policy makers accountable. India is doing fine and it will keep doing well; There is a clear upward trajectory and India's population will organically stabilize and start decline in a few decades.

>>119313337
Exactly it does apply to them, this is to our advantage. If the natives threw out Europeans their culture would still be intact, they would not have been displaced, and they would not have been nearly bred out of existence.

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>>119309194
I am a poo-in-loo and live in Canada. Canada is not a white country. If I have to leave, then so do white people, since the country originaly belongs to Native Americans.

>>119323732
>Correlation does not imply causation.
Holy shit pajeet if you don't realize by now that the reason for these high living standards are ethnic homogenous populations over many centuries aswell as responsible breeding (somewhat equilibrium population relative to the surrounding environment and matching supply with demand) and very hard work to create a decent infrastructure, then it's hard to see where we go from here. It's exactly the reason that these nations have high living standards.. And the 3rd world nations you will find almost always, piss poor infrastructure coupled with them having waaaay too many kids.

If you just transfer this irresponsible situation and let them continue as they did back in their home nations when you allow them to mass migrate to 1st world nations that they wish to come to to get higher living standards.. guess what happens.. It's not a mystery.. That 1st world nation situation gradually starts to deteriorate over time..

Doesn't seem like it's me that's telling myself incorrect tales to "cope" in all honesty.

>>119314378
>Then focus on those things instead of having your talented people move away?
How do you do this without using the power/resources of the government?

>>119324100
>since this country belongs to native americans
Why the fuck does everything has to revolve around the 10 or so million native americans that didn't build shit in canada or in the US..

Let me see if i get this far leftists anti white talking point again, white people come, build 1st world nations from nothing.. "lel bro native americans, you all have to leave now, thanks for building us stuff you fucking racists!"

Seems legit.

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>>119323615
I live in India m8, I have never even visited a western country and don't plan to in the near future. I hope you understand that there there are only few million Indians living abroad over 1.2 billion Indians living in India. This is precisely what I mean when I talk about ideological lenses and this weird all encompassing approach it necessitates; You start losing on common sense. I personally approve of nationalism and vote for right wing parties in India. Indeed, Unlike most western nations, India has a strong ruling nationalist party which is increasingly dominated national as well state level politics.

>>119324100
> Canada
> Natives

Oh goy.

>>119324100
>i'm a poo-in-loo living in canada
>all white people have to leave canada it now belongs to me and my fellow poo in loo's because native americans lel, evil white racists you didn't build that.

How do you justify coming all the way from fucking india having done ZERO to build canada and then telling whites to go fuck themselves who built the damn thing?

>coping mechanism
In full display, insert whatever false narrative migrants have to help themselves to feeling entitled to majority white nations built by majority whites.

It's such a sketchy justification it's almost downright laughable, i doubt you even honestly believe in it yourself.

>>119323615
this.

>>119323074
We are doing something about it. Look at India's growth rate and political situation for reference. I have no delusions about the state of India or about it's prospects; All that said, India has a bright future and our GDP per capita is bound to increase exponentially over the coming decades.

>>119324732
>We are doing something about it. Look at India's growth rate and political situation for reference. I have no delusions about the state of India or about it's prospects; All that said, India has a bright future and our GDP per capita is bound to increase exponentially over the coming decades.

And honestly that's what everybody wants to see, for you to have high living standard in india, for africans to have high living standard in africa and so on and so forth, so they are happy where they are and don't have to mass migrate and tell us we are racist and need to go fuck off and die instead of sorting their own nations out.

>>119312949
^ so much this.
I lived in Ca for many years and saw this exact thing happen with mexicans. In ten years I saw vast swatches of Redwood City taken over by mexicans. Many had no drivers license, no insurance and they would peel off your registration tags.
cops would not arrest them, but would have them call a licensed driver to come get the car.

They would steal your front door mat and backyard bbq grill and lawnmower before the sun went down.

Fast food and restaurant work were their monopoly. Also pool cleaning and leaf blowing were their forte. As well as housecleaning.

Most of the latter jobs were cash only so as not to interfere with their welfare and food stamps and section ape housing.

>>119324458
I don't understand where we disagree then. I as an ethnonationalist would be open to take in experts, extract their knowledge so we can reproduce it ourselves and then those experts could gtfo or whatever. You seem to reinforce my argument since it is possible to build up your own country and carve a successful path within it.

>>119322721
I find it funny how people spout this autistic shit "nationalists are autistic people with identity crisis" (or some shit like that) when we have today a generation of people who are in their forties that fought for freedom for their nation that were just totally normal people. And so was so further in the past they were average or even above average people who laid their heads for their countries. These are now venerated as national heroes and forever remembered, your logic does not make sense it never did.

>>119309194
>White people are rayciss so their electricity and computers and section 8 belong to us, because they stoled that shit from Africa
>we wuz refugees how you gon tell us we can't be here? where else we have to go? We crossed over twenty countries to get to this one with welfare

That's about all I see. No one is stupid, though. Not at the controller-level. Everyone plays stupid.

This is about driving down wages, for employers. Driving up taxes, for government, and creating a dependent underclass that supports any party offering them scraps of welfare and allotting power to their group.

This is about dividing the people into manageable factions and devouring the nation. This has no altruistic or humanitarian element to it, whatsoever.

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Wow the potato mouth is still executing flawless logic and very articulate. Keep it up, I hope you've red pilled some useful idiot afraid-of-their-own-shadow redditors today.

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>>119309194
No bodies answered muh question that is known, why every fucker up sticks'ed and migrated causing havoc and mayhem.

Cant answer because it would imply international conspiracy...

>>119324145
The third world is the third world because it is the third world. Great Logic. You just forget that India and China were the richest civilizations for several millennia until the Europeans had the scientific revolution and the industrial age which catapulted European civilization forward while leaving the Asiatic civilizations in the dust. That wasn't because of homogeneity and that wasn't because of ethno-centrism, It was because of a unique western approach towards truth that emerged through individuality and I have great respect for that Idea

>>119325963
I agree with this. But it's like an operating system that requires a certain set of hardware. You need a population where the culture of the scientific method could feasibly be applied. If they are too cunning, too violent, then every attempt to assemble such a culture would see it fall apart quickly. This is why western culture should not be experimented with by importing mass third world immigrants. And if there was a way to rise the third world, it would be this way as you suggested. But if you assumed immigrants could help our nations, by symmetry they would help your nations as well, so you should try to get them before we do.

>>119325963
> It was because of a unique western approach towards truth that emerged through individuality and I have great respect for that Idea
And now all that hard earned knowledge and know how is literally at your disposal. Take it use it in your own nations. Use what you find useful of it to increase your living standards! That's the entire point, if you don't use what works but insists you want to reinvent it stubbornly all yourself from scratch, then you only fall further behind. But it's available to you to use what you like..

>the third world is the third world because it's the third world
When did i say that, no.. i'm speaking of the current situation that you find yourself in.. after we "left you behind in the dust" by your words. and did what you said coupled with equilibrium birth rates, you instead went the exact opposite direction with piss poor infrastructure and completely unsustainable birthrates supply/demand wise.

The solution is then just to mass migrate to our nations and tell us to fuck off? will that solve the situation in your own nations? ofcourse it won't infact without us as benefactors in many ways it will actually make it worse.

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>>119324398
But, the native Americans did not ask for those things. White people built those for themselves.

Also, shouldn't your logic extend to white people staying in their countries? Why do you make an exception when it's white people doing the migration?

Seems like your logic is truly racist, since it's okay when white people do it, but not the other way around.

You are not looking for a true argument, because your mind is already made up and you just wanted to come to /pol/ to hear your own already decided position repeated back to you in the écho chamber.

>>119325504
I probably do agree with you in that regard. I think healthy nationalism should be encouraged; However, I also believe that a healthy rate of organic migration is also ideal since allows for exchange of ideas and prevents stagnation. That is not to say that I am encouraging inordinate or inorganic migration; Nations should have complete control over their borders.

>>119326584
>Also, shouldn't your logic extend to white people staying in their countries? Why do you make an exception when it's white people doing the migration?

You do understand the difference between migrating to an area and building things up from literally nothing to a very advanced society, and migrating (essentially asking to be part of and play by the rules of) an allready fully fledged society/nation build by someone else?

>You are not looking for a true argument, because your mind is already made up and you just wanted to come to /pol/ to hear your own already decided position repeated back to you in the écho chamber.

Right back at you.

>>119326659
>I probably do agree with you in that regard. I think healthy nationalism should be encouraged; However, I also believe that a healthy rate of organic migration is also ideal since allows for exchange of ideas and prevents stagnation.

Now you are contradicting yourself because you've already stated that what made western civilization take off was them essentially making great strides on their own leaving others "in the dust" who were previously sophisticated compared to those days standards.

You can easily exchange ideas and education and know how without mass migration. Communicating ideas and knowledge and the exchange thereof infact has never been easier than it is now.

>>119326659
I would expect academia to always hold a significant amount of foreigners. But outside of academia, significantly less. But exchange of ideas are done quicker through the internet than through travel. This is an old meme today and partially the promised fruit of globalism, which is why globalism has been mostly obsolete for the last 10 years.

>>119315205
Why is this even an argument? Education is expensive and talent is rare as fuck. It's not even relevant. Everyone always wants the cream of the crop. Hell, look at WW2.

This isn't relevant to the discussion.

>>119326584
>But, the native Americans did not ask for those things. White people built those for themselves.

I'm not saying such things were right but i can assure you many other peoples have done far worse to people they encountered.

Is your argument that native americans were better off scattered in tipis scalping rivalling tribes than having immediate access to a 1st world nation today as honorary members of it eventhough they contributed next to nothing with regards to putting in the hard work of its construction?

The abbos same situation in australia, you could then also argue they were better off as 100 tribes barely doing even remotely sophisticated things, compared to having direct access to a 1st world nation today.

It's cute and quaint to think that two continents as big as north america and australia both with significant natural ressources, should've just been left for these two groups to meander about with a less than 5% utilization rate of it.. But then again, you probably wouldn't be sitting in your cushy chair right now typing at your pristine computer keyboard if someone didn't go in and said "ok these guys clearly don't know wtf they are doing, let's build an advanced society here" it wasn't as if it was a fully fledged sophisticated nation with all kinds of shit and white people just went in and directly conquered it and took it over.. When you build it up from the ground from nothing, it's essentially yours don't you realize that?

>>119327585

From OP:
> even letting the smart ones of them leave is bad because that would be precisely the ones who could start up businesses and improve their nations

>>119327040
>>119327252

The internet has indeed changed the game in the last few decades; It's a new world and new rules are emerging. I personally would like to see a world where people the various races can survive and thrive in their homelands and the family of nations can cooperate on major issues. In such a world migration would not be an issue. However, Real-politc and this the inherent will to dominate is likely to prevent this ideal from realization. We need a stronger UN to facilitate this transformation not globalization.

>>119327917
Look in general it is bad can't you see that.. see the burger who was talking about brain drain which was essentially what i was hinting at >>119315959 which is further elucidated in videos like this the direct effect that has. >>119316748 here.

That's what happens, nothing wrong with a very very few doing that, but if we ever want a global civilization that eventually all nations reaches 1st world level which i assume is what we are all interested in.. then you can't have that brain drain going on on a regular basis.. because if you immediately remove all the somewhat skilled people to go to 1st world nations to compete with the highest skilled people in the world, just so that these few people can have a higher living standard for themselves (essentially selfish as fuck) then these 2nd or 3rd world nations will never get off the ground.. why, cause the ones who can do something about it instantly say "lel fuck you faggots i'm going to actual civilization, i don't need to put up with you go suck a fat one.. i have my aspirations you'll just have to figure it out on your own"

>>119326584
>Seems like your logic is truly racist, since it's okay when white people do it, but not the other way around.
Its not okay today because we don't live in "might makes right" societies. It was "okay" back then since people did not feel need to be fair to other people. Not to mention that they probably thought they were doing good by civilizing savages, cultivation land, bringing Christianity and ect. Today people generally don't look at things that way. This is why its easy to judge your own ancestors because they did not believe in your moral philosophy. Today we say that it is not okay to ethnically replace people or subjugate people this is why African countries are independent. Now we think that the same principle will apply to Europe today, but it does not because we have the original sin of doing what every nation on earth did on larger scale.

>>119327677
why argue with a cucked leaf? They're brainwashed from day 1 by the liberal government

>>119315848
This comment just encapsulates why you live in a shithole.
My ancestors had to deal with so much shit but they never gave up. You must never give up on your country, your people and your heritage.
You have to lead, encourage and be the example. Figure out a plan to put one foot in front of the other and push forward, make progress.
You will always be poor and pathetic if you do not. You will die in regret thinking of the things you could have accomplished if you'd only tried.

>>119327252
The thing about Academia is that science is really a humanistic endevour and knowledge is universally beneficial; Education and even business to lesser degree are phenomenon that facilitate this process of scientific progress and stopping it in the name of nationalism just seems counter productive for everybody involved.

>>119328541
Exactly, they thought they were doing a good thing the mantra was essentially bringing civilization to the savages.. to them sitting on some remote island teaching shakespear and agriculture and other things to some random guy who probably didn't even understand wtf that was all about at that point, and spending their life on that, they honestly believed that what they did ultimately would empower those people to elevate them so that we could trade easier and these things. And ofcourse there was some exploitation involved in that aswell from nobility and such things but it wasn't nearly as terrible as evil as it has later been pitched as in recent days.

And today yeah we think of those things differently it's why it's so destetable when that lefty anon said "people behaving differently in different times is not an argument" ofcourse it's an argument! I made the comment about a west coast african that the colonialists were pissed at when they were trying to stop the slave trade, because he didn't want to, because it was too profitable for him..

You don't see africans going around selling eachother for profit these days, was different times.. and people saw and thought about the world differently than they do now..

So trying to go back with the current perspective on things and saying "ok your ancestors did something bad to me many centuries ago, now we have to do bad shit to you" that's not how it works.. Atleast you can't say you're trying to move forward amicably whilst trying to argue nonsense like that.

>>119329124
>it wasn't nearly as terrible as evil as it has later been pitched as in recent days
Unless you were a Belgian colony.

>>119316342
>300 years ago some brits killed some indians and abos who built nothing and barely populated enormous lands so it's okay for muslims to kill me and my family and my countrymen who built civilization and populate the entire land coast to coast today XD
You are a fuckhead.

>>119328527
Brain Drain can also be a cyclical process; Smart people who leave for education can also return with invaluable training and resources that are otherwise not available in the whole country. Smart people can sometime volunteer to bring their expertise to a third world country just for helping people out; I see white foreigners working in villages all the time in India and it's a not really clear why that is such a bad thing. Some migration is not invasive might even help both the host as well as the country of origin.

>>119317054
>the reality is almost every country has good people in it that just want a better chance.
The difference is our ancestors sacrificed and worked hard for their future generations to benefit from their hard work, you want to steal what they gave us. Lucky for you our traitor disgusting governments that deserve to hang will look after you before their own people.

>>119311462
my mom, left mexico and came to the US, and she likes the USA way more than mexico and is loyal to the US, speaks English fluently is a teacher and pays her taxes gladly. This isnt uncommon for Mexicans, they know mexico is shit.

the obnoxious ones who have mexican flags and curse the US are a minority.

>>119313337
this

>>119329903
>Brain Drain can also be a cyclical process; Smart people who leave for education can also return with invaluable training and resources that are otherwise not available in the whole country.

That i can accept, however that nation will then bare the cost of educating them in many cases, where they simply go and start up business in their home nation resulting in net loss.

But if it is done in such a way that agreement is made that they have to go and put their expertize to use in their home nation that so much needs this expertize then i would be ok with that. But you would have to limit free will with regards to this something for something as in, they can't just then go to another 1st world nation setup shop there and go "lel thanks for the education i'll screw you over and i'll screw over the nation for which this expertize was earmarked for" But yeah i agree with that argument, if adequate educational facilities are not yet setup in those nations abroad education can be helpful with that, but ultimately there's no way around that educational facilities etc. should ultimately be setup in those nations making them up to par with other nations, otherwise it's just throwing effort into a deep hole.. instead of filling it up with concrete to correct the gaps between nations so that we move towards every nation becoming 1st world status.

>>119316872
Civilization fucking sucks sometimes, who are we to say being a hunter gatherer isnt objectively better?

Pro tip we cant and no one can , Im sure youre the same fag who complains about civilization being degenerate and how he doesnt have a Gf cause his civilzation isnt good enough

>>119327677

>Is your argument that native americans were better off scattered in tipis scalping rivalling tribes than having immediate access to a 1st world nation today as honorary members of it eventhough they contributed next to nothing with regards to putting in the hard work of its construction?


If anything they were better off knowing the horrors of modern warfare have brought, killing a few niggers with knifes is not as devastating as machine gun.

and why should the have to contribute shit? we fucked up their way of life forever they can hunt or gather anymore.

would you want to contribute to sand nigger culture if you and your people got displaced into camps?

>>119313337
Kek this triggers /pol/ every time

>>119330852
Why would it trigger me? My great great grandaddy shot some worthless niggers. The only problem is it's not legal for me to do it. The people who built countries like America, Australia,etc were a hell of lot smarter than the dickheads who run them today.

>>119330432
>But you would have to limit free will with regards to this something for something as in

Precisely. So, the only way out of this dilemma is for the host country to have robust immigration and travel policy to sieve out the undesirable applicants. I think this whole issue surrounding migration is primarily because of immature and unrealistic polices propagated by a predominately liberal population and globalist trade policies that benefit from cheap labor. All this coupled with decling demographics is problem and western nations should respond accordingly to regulate this issue and establish an understanding of rate of immigration is desirable to sustain their demographic dominance.

>>119330808
>would you want to contribute to sand nigger culture if you and your people got displaced into camps?

Funny you should mention that because there's a huge gap in your knowledge about how much these "sandniggers" enslaved and tortured and harmed europeans in a very grand fashion.

It's seeing the bigger picture, we can hate eachother for what our ancestors did centuries upon centuries ago or we can try to uplift eachother to the same level of 1st world status whilst having respect for eachothers ethnic groups.

If you pick the former then you pick continous ethnic strife and then atleast don't pretend as if you are trying to move forward amicably.. If you pick that, then i don't want to hear any bullshit about racism or these kinds of pleas, because then that's precisely what you want to argue for, but i don't think that's what people want.

In essence hilariously enough ethnic nationalists are the most tolerant of different cultures and different values and actually promote diversity because nations are essentially diverse, they just don't want to destroy themselves in the process irrevocably to the point where the prospect of all nations being elevated to 1st world nation status becomes an impossibility and we just become mired in ethnic and cultural strife.

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>>119326811
That's a relative materialist argument. Just because they did not have a specific set if institutions does not mean they are exempt from your définition of immoral migration.

That would be like a Muslim saying: "Well, Europe did not have Islam before we came. It was a land rife with sex, drugs and crime. We made it the moral society it is."
Your own logic is working against you, because of how relative it is.

The augment you make against migration into Europe can also be made against European migration into the Americas. You are counting on there being more people that hate non-whites to win the augment, not moral consistency.

>>119331048
You don't belong in Oceania. Come home white man

>>119331294
I should clarify that, what i mean is that ethnic nationalist respect diversity more, because they realize that ethnic groups are happy when they have their own clay and their own self determination upon it.. and don't have to fight with another group in that same nation with regards to what values and ways of behaviour etc. should be expressed there. Which is essentially what multiculturalism and massive multiethnic societies result in.. lots of groups pulling in many different directions, none of them essentially happy, feeling they are not adequately represented and so on and so forth. It's not a good recipy.. It's a sad attempt to try to bring people together that really would rather live apart.. International respect is easier to achieve when all have their own clay than it is to have that same "international" situation inside one nation. There's nothing bad about wanting to be with your own people more than you want to be with everyone else.. social and ethnic cohesion is a real thing..

Take Cassius Clay, what a fucking racist.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4

It's not that people can't ever intermarry between ethnic groups, it's not that there can't be any of any other ethnicity in nations.. no.. it's when the groups get so balkanized that there's no predominate ethnicity.. They all want to be with their own, they all would prefer that they had their own clay where they can be with their people and do exactly what it is THEY prefer to do in their way.. and that's possible we can uplift all nations to 1st world status.. so they can all do that what they want to do, and then we can visit eachother etc. and trade and exchange ideas.. but we can always return home to be where a place we prefer it to be.

With multiculturalism and a total multiethnic society where the dominant culture is erased and the majority ethnicity that built that place is erased.. there's no place to go back to.

>>119315168
>you were evil and should destroy yourself to make things right
I don't think so, nigger.

>>119330852
Colonization was just a pre-modern attempt at globalization and it carried with it the same evils. It would not be inaccurate to say that the west is reaping what it sow in that regard. However, The western concept of Individuality and the scientific revolution that emerged from it are invaluable and while western society did some evil shit; The fact that they spread science and democratic institutions is still a great deed and redeems the west in every moral regard. I am also concerned that the decling demographics in the west and this liberal ideology is a threat to western society and the scientific culture that they is still centered in the west and that is why I hope that nationalism is re-emerges in the west.

>>119331548
>That would be like a Muslim saying: "Well, Europe did not have Islam before we came. It was a land rife with sex, drugs and crime. We made it the moral society it is."
Your own logic is working against you, because of how relative it is.

No it's not relative at all because that is fully fledged nations you are talking about, it's not a place where there were a few native americans or a few abbos and you built it up from nothing. So they weren't invaders in the sense that they came to a sophisticated nation that were already there and said "move over we're taking over your shit buddy" taking over what? they built the whole thing..

Now if you want to argue who tried to take over full scale already established nations already built by someone else, yeah then you should look at muslims..

>>119309908
>There's one exception that everyone should be willing to make however and that's the exception we have always made, and that is with regards to war refugees. They should be in safe zone or similar situation whilst the conflict is attempted to be resolved as fast as possible so that these people can return and are assisted in rebuilding afterwards.

Isn't this the time that it DOESN'T work? Except for rapefugees, in what other circumstance a country allows non-qualified people to immigrate?

Every legal immigrant i have ever heard of(who didn't belonged to the religion of peace) was a qualified worker or academic who just went along with their lives. And no, not including Mexicans or North Africans who cross the border illegally and the country goes full retard and gives them citizenship as an effort prize.

>>119332918
>Isn't this the time that it DOESN'T work?

Well i mean the whole problem with this "refugee" situation is from a political standpoint that we have allowed this; that refugees have been equated with migrants and none have had a strong enough voice to say "full stop, these are not refugees, AT ALL"..

And the economic migrants previously barred from entering this way go "fuck yeah whitey's being stupid now.. this is our chance, we want some of that 1st world standard of living" including 30 year old afghanis finding all kinds of loopholes in the refugee legislation such as pretending they are 14 year old.. so you have a grown ass man running around in PE with a bunch of teenagers and helping himself to touch a few womens out of sexual emergency and all kinds of stupid shit like that.

I think we all want to help refugees from war, but many are slipping in through those obvious cracks.. But yeah ultimately as others have pointed out best way is to secure safe zones OUTSIDE a nation you don't want to bring people in from conflict zones where you have radical mujahids deliberately saying a) we want to kill you b) we are going to be part of that refugee flow posing as refugees. And c) the economic migrants taking advantage of the situation so we have a huge problem on our hands.. and we can't just pretend that they are all just kind and benevolent helpless little folk.

>>119314307
Except our leaders aren't allowing us to fight back

>>119332918
Because they know that once they get in due to the far lefts strangehold of politics, it's almost impossible unless the political winds to say.. deport these assholes RIGHT NOW, we don't know who they are YOU don't know who they are.. and the far lefts altruism has gotten the better of them they can't see the forest for all the damn trees with regards to this situation.. and many people just going about their day are suffering from it.. not the least of which.. sadly enough, the refugees, because those who are up to no good guess what they do in the refugee camps.. they persecute the good refugees, tremendously and make them scared as fuck which is why many of the christian refugees who have every reason to flee from places like iraq, they're scared as fuck to go to the refugee camps..

Well who's fault is that.. it's the leftists fault, they refuse to profile these people.. "ah they're all the same, how can you be against all these helpless little folk who some of them just happen to have on their cellphone pictures of beheadings" Virtue signalling ^ 2 And that shit needs to end, they're not even taking care of the ACTUAL refugees at this point, they are ending up taking care of EVERYONE ELSE but the refugees and the actual war refugees are spooked "these people don't know what they are doing and they are threatening us even killing us in the refugee camps, and they do nothing, fuck this noise, i'm better off back in the conflict zone" is that the way you help refugees, and what is left, the ones who want no good here, and the economic migrants whilst the actual war refugees they're not stupid but they realize "you can't help us you're helping the wrong ones all the time, i'll take my chances back with my people". And then the leftist larp about "muh women and children" WELL MOTHER THERESA HOW MANY WOMAN AND CHILDREN ARE THERE IN THIS MASS MIGRATION that are actual refugees? not so many!

>>119333732
What solutions do you have? Keep slaying the illogical status quo arguments, but how do you feel about solutions?

Like suggested:
>>119314823
>>119317503

Do you think mass deportation and reconciliation for migrants and their home regions is feasible? Something like what Hitler did for jews moved back to Palestine? We have so much more knowledge and technology now that we may be able to achieve this and bring the standard of living of the whole world up.

>>119334844
>What solutions do you have? Keep slaying the illogical status quo arguments, but how do you feel about solutions?

Deport every single one and fire up the finances BIG TIME (yes it will be costly but the detriment of keeping them INSIDE our nations is far far worse) Create non national refugee camps. make sure that they are so well taken care of and pampered that nobody can argue that they aren't taken care of. Food ressources clothes everything, let it never be said that we do not wish to take care of them.

Start process to siphon off the economic migrants and the jihadis from the actual refugees by observing their behaviour and clamping down on ANYONE very ferociously who hurt anyone in those refugee areas. And booting them the fuck out for every little violent and/or hostile act and forcing the nations to accept them.. You will quickly find that out if you put a little pressure because none of them want to go to a place where they don't belong, you will then quickly be able to ascertain their true nationality. Present them with an option to send them very close to syria, if they are not from those areas, guarantee you they don't want to go!

That, for starters, it's not very hard to be pragmatic about this.. it's not a rubix cube by any comparison.

>>119335421
The only difficult part about this are breaking down the psychological barriers the globalist have constructed. People cannot distinguish the logical from their emotions.

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>>119332322
It is relative, because you think that not being advanced means that your claims should be ignored. What is a "full fledged established society" is in the eye of the beholder. You may think it is related to technology, a Muslim might think it is related to Islam.

The principals of your argument can be used to justify the Muslim migration into Europe.

>>119335768
>it's all relative
You're all ideology and no facts or logical reasoning, thank you for admitting it.

There is nothing i could say to you, prove to you, quantify to you factually describe to you, that would satisfy you since i don't agree with your notion. And that is your argument.. wew lad.

>>119330158
>the obnoxious ones who have mexican flags and curse the US are a minority.

Too bad they get the most attention.

Good on your mom, though. We need more like her.

>>119336088
We don't need any of them. Think before you speak or you just regurgitate your conditioning.

>>119335730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTfNhxt-WXw

Listen to Dr. Pierce. He's one of the best intellectuals when it comes to this. While he's not around anymore, he did leave us hours of information with his radio broadcasts. If you haven't listened to him I would recommend it.

>OP thinks muslims invading Iberia was a good thing because they made it prosperous

Hmmm

>>119336497
But then the Iberians grew stronger than the Moors and launched a Reconquista and became greater than their conquerors.
I don't see the bulk of these third worlders using what was handed to them on a silver platter to better themselves.

I'm not against immigration or refugees at all, especially since I live in America which was founded by religious refugees and built by foreigners.
But those barbarians flooding into Europe are uneducated, unskilled, unvetted, refuse to integrate, brazenly admit to wanting to invade Europe and make it Islamic, they come from a part of the world where raping women and children is okay, they complain a lot, they expect every european to kneel down and kiss their feet because they are Muslims, the list goes on.
It would great to have skilled, legal, immigrants coming in but the real reason the EU let this happen is because they need more denbt slaves and these dumbass shitskins are too stupid to know anything about denbts. They use muh feelings to get cucks to support this but really it's all about money--cold and calculating.

>>119336902
If they were so great they would be bettering their own countries. If these great minds and skilled workers had so much to offer why are they not helping their own? Why do they not build and staff hospitals to help their people? Why do they build and create power plants? Why do they not create a factory to manufacture tech? If they made their country a paradise they would not feel compelled to leave it.

America was built by European colonists. But it was whites who built the great cities and drafted the laws. The savages had primitive laws and many did not even have a written language. They had no understanding of country, of nationalism, or of unity beyond their own tribe. While the Americas have always existed, the civilization that was built within it was a European construct and the benefits of it should be enjoyed by the flesh and blood of the Europeans who helped build it.

Slavery was wrong as well. But I will remind you of the Jews who controlled a large part the shipping industries that participated in the Atlantic Slave Trade. I will also remind you that the African economy was built on the money they collected from selling their people. Slavery was wrong as we put too much reliance on another race and brought them into our nation. Without slavery we would have been forced to automate sooner and would have advanced more quickly. Also turning loose that number of slaves without a plan was foolish. What would have been cheaper in the long run would be to build towns in Africa and then release the slaves to govern themselves.

>>119336203
We "need" more assimilating immigrants.

Ideally, we wouldn't take in more immigrants because fuck off we're full; but, if they're to come, they should assimilate.

>>119336902
>founded by religious refugees
Plymouth Rock was, but colonies such as Jamestown were run by the British Empire and were not trying to flee the Anglican church.

>>119338288
That's a big if when you're trying to argue against immigration. Don't budge an inch they've already got our pants down and shoved up our ass.

>>119309194
finally some quality content

>>119338288
>>119338837
We just need to make it so it is impossible for third worlders to ever become full citizens and their immigration will always be temporary. They can come for education (so long as they do not deny any native born citizen their education), but they have to leave to make their home country better.

>>119338837
Scratch that. You're probably just hiding from your racial reality. You probably have the cuck mentality that an educated non white is preferable to an uneducated white. You probably try to cope with cognitive dissonance by splitting races with the Chris rock meme: niggers vs. Blacks. If this is true, you still have more growing and self awareness to foster. If not, my apologies and I stand by what I originally explained. Sometimes these redditors are like children and they make you think they're onboard but still harbor irrational world views.

since the west is unwilling to stop terrorizing the third world, it can at least have charity for a few million token victims

>>119336203
das right
le race war now!!!

>>119339395
No. They racemix and introduce their shit culture.

Geez can we stop please this discussion what's going to happen is that Europe will be the next 56% face and America will be 20% white Uruguay is the only place whiter than any Europe country

>>119339487
Kill yourself

>>119339758
No, you kill yourself, criminal.

>>119339558
Make racemixing illegal and the problem is solved.
We've done it before while we were still sane. There is nothing to stop us, save our enemies, from doing it again.

Read these is you have not yet.
http://pastebin.com/tGMEhbhf
http://msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf
http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html
http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.ca/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html
http://nature.com/scitable/topicpage/haldane-s-rule-the-heterogametic-sex-1144

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>>119309194
Way to much effort, no-one is going to read this.

>>119336013
The problem is that you don't even agree with your own notion.

>>119340036
Stop fetishizing immigration. I agree with making miscegnation illegal. Sure, then non whites can come here as tourists and for business trips.

But as far as immigration goes, all of your suggestions are concessions of weakness. Only whites should be allowed to immigrate here.

>>119340300
Is this some kind of attempt of reverse psychology that you're trying to tell me how i feel and how i think? Nah.. that's not going to work.

>>119340179
>goy please don't read this, you are stupid, they don't know what they are saying. Here's a tank subliminally of how your peers are going to roll you over with social stigma for ever daring to like your own people and wishing fairness for others so that they love theirs in their own nations too.
You are so smart how can we ever compete with your subversive wisdom.

>>119339487
>>119339946
Get off self-destructive altruism. You're far too feminized if you are white and that is your opinion on the subject. You should be concerned with providing the best future we can for our children, not the fate of the third world.

>>119340179
I have read it. These are the type of threads we need. Not the superfluous underage garbage that flows in from reddit or whatever site has been clogging up the board.

>>119340512
I agree. Only whites should be allowed to immigrate fully. But changing the opinion of the average man and woman is difficult. They will always seek what is easy and doesn't conflict with their tolerant and non confrontational upbringing. We need propaganda, not truth if we are to change their minds since that is how their minds work.

>>119340999
>fully

What is this barrier you keep putting up? Why do you concede? You're just asking to get stepped on.

>>119340999
>I have read it. These are the type of threads we need. Not the superfluous underage garbage that flows in from reddit or whatever site has been clogging up the board.

Notice how it's posted under norways banner, danes and norge are good allies.. pulling on all the strings.

>don't press this issue, here's a tank for you

>>119340999
I daresay starting WW3 kind of ruins any hope for all races of humanity, not just Muslims

>>119341439
You're a faggot.

>>119341439
>starting ww3
literally hitler.

>>119340999
>We need propaganda, not truth if we are to change their minds since that is how their minds work.
You were doing so well..

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>>119340907
At least bring something fresh next time, this has been established as common knowledge years ago.
Learn to make infographics, this is a image-board, go back to r/eddit for your effortposting.

>>119340999
This is r/edditposting.

Truth is the best propaganda ever because you can't refute it.

>>119341776
>more character assasination
I think people have had their discussion and they make up their own minds.

>>119341802
This

>>119341776
Better than slapping his salmon all day like you're doing fiskeneger

>>119341531
>>119341672
just admit you're evil and be done with it

>>119341201
To speak to the masses you have to make the ideas friendly enough to get them onboard. It's why I use the certain phrasing that I do.

>>119341672
>>119341802
By propaganda I mean getting the word out on a mass scale. But to get our word across we need to break down the formed barriers that already exist in people's minds to that they are able to absorb our message. You put far too much faith in the ability of the masses to act rationally to ensure the best future possible for our people.

>>119342140
You can't beat the kikes at their own game. You are the one they will not trust. Be up front and unashamed. The true anger and confidence is more convincing than any Jewish trickery and manipulation.

>>119309194
>>119309908
>>119310722

I agree 100% but I also apply this to my own nation, people shouldn't run away from it because they will only and inevitably bring the mind set that ruined the country in the first place with themselves and thus eventually ruin whatever country they migrated to, they should instead either find solutions to the problems that affect our society or eradicate those responsibile of the issue.

>>119342140
> But to get our word across we need to break down the formed barriers that already exist in people's minds to that they are able to absorb our message. You put far too much faith in the ability of the masses to act rationally to ensure the best future possible for our people.

No i'm a traditionalist, i believe that when the people are informed of the situtation and fully understand it and recognize and examine it that it is the truth, they will know what to do.. I don't believe that people have to be manipulated and coerced that way. Do i believe that people have been lead to believe that they are a hollow version of themselves and as such might subscribe to that notion sure, but when they realize they're not.. things turn out differently.

It's a trick, we are better than that.

>we are under immense propaganda against us
>let us become the propagandists instead of speaking what is the truth
No.. if you go down that road only bad things can happen.

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>>119341887
This is what I get for trying to help low-iq subhumans like you, why don't you curl up your toes and roll down the street to your local pub so you can drink some more estrogen inducing beer.

>>119341949
At least I know how to fish, shartinmart.

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>>119342911
>good advice you subhuman goyim

>>119342911
Yes how to fish paki cum out your ass after a night in gronland

Because we are very good at creating and mantaining civilizations. Our societies are more free and prosperous than any other in general.

>>119342911
>At least I know how to fish, shartinmart.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but doesn't everyone learn how to fish when they're young? Or has that changed? Surely even the most degenerate leftist has fished at least once in their life, right?

>>119342911
anyways appreciate your effort but i'd rate it 3/10, either way thank you all for a good discussion and your contributions to it.

>>119343594
>Surely even the most degenerate leftist has fished at least once in their life, right?
Very few have. and of those that grew up with single mothers I will bet there are none.

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>>119343272
>greenland
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030
Wow, it's almost like theres people on greenland that are pakis.
>During the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond.
You just don't recognize the fact that cuckservative written 100000+ pages of schoolcucked (jewish way) of writing down information is wildly inefficient way of transmitting information, GOY.
Which is why Jews don't push their propaganda as written text, I can't believe I have to spell this out to you, fucking retard.

>>119344287
Gronland within Oslo.

Don't even begin to lecture me on jews, you little crypto kike

>>119344194
That is saddening to hear. Even though we were technologically advanced we still used to be so close with nature. Back then we seemed to be so aware that life is fleeting and that it was important to live on in your deeds and your children. Comfort and success has been our downfall.

>>119344287
Did it ever occur to you that succinct and rational discussion sometimes involves not a lot of pepes and traps and anime being thrown around to make you feel like you are edgy enough to post on this board?

>Which is why Jews don't push their propaganda as written text, I can't believe I have to spell this out to you, fucking retard.
As someone who argues for deliberate propaganda rather than elucidating of facts and truth, and arguing that we should influence rather than state the facts. This does not occur to you why i don't go with you immediately on that? Just go somewhere else "norge" to another post.. post your rare pepes and the other shit. and be that superior oldfag.

All this and you complain about lack of image macros. Seems you have lost the plot.

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>>119344648
>Don't even begin to lecture me on jews, you little crypto kike
Says the kike who loves walls of text.

>>119314274
>Muh borders
Borders exist for a reason. With this fucking Schengen agreement there are already too much people coming into my country, which means less jobs for the native population.
The good people in your country should focus on building up that market and making it a better place instead of just fucking off to a better country, impairing said country in the process.
Again borders exist for a reason. We can't just let everyone in and let the other countries go to shit, there's not nearly enough room for that.

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>>119345050
>and be that superior oldfag.
Maybe you should listen to those who know better than you? No? Never crossed your mind did it?

>>119345309
I would listen to you if i thought you knew better but a cursory analysis shows that you have contributed nothing to this but a) character attacks on me b) complaining about lack of images c) calling me subhuman for not taking your advice. So who's the clever guy again?

Your very first post was "nobody will read this, stop putting in so much effort" why don't you gague the amount of replies and what they had to say first?

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>>119345309
The message needs to be layed out in all dimensions, newfag. Do you deny the volumes of text written by kike "academics" that revise reality to fit their agenda?

>>119345068
So let me get this straight - if a bunch of Romanians start a construction company here it's a good thing but if they start the same company in Holland it is a bad thing?

>>119340606
No, I am showing you that you yourself don't believe in the principal of "You should stay in your own country", because you make caveats when that white people are going against that very principal.

>>119346237
True. Why do you have such a hard on for progress to the point you're willing to sell your own blood down the river? Be patient and confident instead.

>>119346317
Wow and i thought beating a dead horse ended after april fools.. I already explained this to you many times that they did not displace ethnic populations and after colonialism they left.. and indeed went back to their own countries. vid related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLOvdgXSy_Q

They went for ressources, where they went where they established 1st world nations they build it up from nothing.. (north america australia etc.) And when the africans in africa after they had built various ressource extraction infrastructure and also given these people a higher living standard simultaneously because happy people are those who are happy at work. Everybody understands that, when they were asked to leave they did..

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>>119346639
Because my burger friend - here you can get maybe set aside like 5k/ yeah with that company. Go to the west and you can set aside 10-15k/year. Work for 6 years then go home and buy a house and car cash and never deal with the jew again.

>>119346317
Find me a a place or places where whites destroyed everything and ethnically displaced that people.. and then never left.. infact.. i can say that with total honesty, being that my nation is one of the highest contributors per capita to africa, white people by their own power alone have almost DOUBLED the population in africa, oh these evil genocidal maniacs! they dare to double our populations.. what could they be up to.. they're clearly trying to exterminate us by that! HAHAHA wake up man..

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>>119345542
>>119345822
One part of Kike propaganda is written up in books and spread around, forced to learn.
The kike propaganda that has an actual impact is movies, TV-Shows, music and headlines.

You see Jews know that their message has to be instantly understood, subconsciously or otherwise; preferably emotionally.
What you are doing is writing up pages of text on a chinese fingertrap board that will forget your input existed in less than a few hours.
What you are doing is incredibly inefficient, you need to learn how to make meme's in order to be a productive member of this site.
You are thinking micro-scale, learn to think bigger, meme's is what got you here, at least learn how to make them or lurk more.

Imagine if OP actually made meme's that made his ideas instantly recognizable to hundreds of thousands, and then spread, easily. Imagine that impact instead of him "arguing" against 1-2 shills or commies who will never actually change their mind.

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>>119346808
Also never respond to leafs.

>>119347005
So you just are chasing the meaningless money printed out by the kikes. Get some real values and remember what it feels like to have a spirit within you.

>>119328802
>My ancestors had to deal with so much shit but they never gave up.
Fucking this. People seem quick to forget that even countries like the UK were shit holes only 100 years ago, where you'd work down a mine, in a factory, or in a field for 8-12 hours a day just to survive. Why do people expect comfy jobs doing whatever they want to be a right? Nobody owes you shit.

>>119347074
>i'm an oldfag i'm trying to educate you in the way of memes and symbolic manipulation and subversive subconcious manipulation by use of images
WOW senpai this is news to me.. i never heard of this before! should you argue we do the same? So we do the same as those who nefariously manipulate us like this instead of presenting the truth about this manipulation? And you want to claim a moral highground.. that's nice.. where is that moral highground btw.? If you argue to do the same to counteract it?

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Also what a lot of you fuckers don't seem to understand is that, at least with romanians, most just go to the west because they want to buy a house and start a family when they return home. Or they want to support their parents/kids that are back in Romania.

Nobody wants to be burried on a rainy fucking island, miles away from their own home and family. And most of them do come back.

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>>119347265
Are you implying the best memes are not true?

>>119347424
You're not helping your argument at all. You come across as a greedy child.

>>119347265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtUVAlpaYA

>>119347074
I don't believe in subversion to change peoples minds, i believe in presenting them with the truth and the facts about things and then i trust them to make up their own minds.

Why is this such a nefarious concept to you?

Propaganda when it is not the truth is lies.. it's subversion it's manipulation it's subtle altering of minds against their will.. How can you even believe that this is a good thing that can lead them to the truth when you seem to know so much about how this same tool was used to lead them away from it?

>>119347684
Please watch the video I linked to your post in >>119347607
I think it will help you out

>>119347533
A meme can be true can't it? A meme can also be very untrue and very manipulative. But truth can be no other thing than truth.

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>>119347684
>Muh principles.
Then you have already lost.

>>119347592
>>119347198
It's okay anon - you don't know what it's like to be poor. You just sit in you ivory tower and judge people that want to provide for their family or build a better future for themselves. Just as I judged my people for submitting to the communists even though maybe I would have done the same.

You would like to think that if you were in my shoes you would want to stay and change the country. But that's just because you don't know yourself well enough.

>>119348083
a meme is manipulative by its nature, it can be used for good and for very evil things. It depends on how it is wielded and how they wield it for.. But understanding that inherent duplicit nature of a meme.. i don't see how you think it will bring truth to everyone if they simply rely on memes and nothing else.. But truth is independent of it.

>>119348207
>muh principles
Really? you are arguing with me about principle over memes? Or my lack of memes in this post? Hmm.. no memes, no subversion.. more memes more potential of subversion.

What is your principle even? it seems if you argue to manipulate others to find the truth then the truth can be whatever it is you prefer rather than what it already is.

>then you have already lost
are you declaring victory and feigning arbtitrary dominion, are you truly thinking you are the truth because you can spew lies in a way that benefits you, or are you just a beggar hoping that if you meme enough lies that all believe it? And then the world is your little oyster/clam..

>mfw memes are being debated i'm not really up for all that.. only thing i'm concerned about is the truth about things, not manipulation from any side of the isle..

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>>119348307
You must understand this;
People have no idea what reality, the truth, or what is moral is, they are entirely indoctrinated and brainwashed.
Good meme's make people think, put them on the path of exploration to start thinking for themselves.
We need these people to wake up to increase our numbers so the system that generates brainwashed people can be stopped.
If the meme isnt true it does not tend to make these people think, so they are for the most part useless and does not spread or make any impact.

>>119348506
>yes i do you stupid little shit
I think the poor anon broke a few things.. to good health..

>>119348208 (fixed)
Yes I do you stupid lil shit. My father worked multiple shifts, taking me out to the dirt poor country side as a farrier, and mother worked at home to raise me as I wasted away with childhood cancer. You're a whiney baby.

>>119316303
There is no lack of labour in first world countries, where did you get this? Also, if there are schools in your country that teach these things, why don't you start those industries? Here in finland all industries were started by regural people. You can do the same. Obviously it can be sustained by labour continously if they teach it at school.

No matter if you are a "good people", whatever that means, you don't have the right to steal jobs from people in other countries. You deserve a good life, in your own country.

>>119348947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
Good example of how imagery is much more effective than a wall of text.

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>>119348506
>childhood cancer
>your father was an hero
>boo hoo look how fucking oppressed I am in fucking America

You really expect me to take you seriously, you 1st world LARPer?

>>119349279
You don't realize dirt poor exists in the USA as well.

>>119348823
But that's not up for you to decide what people do with things once they find them.. that's up to them.

>what's the point of speech or of linguistic text, if imagery is more effective.
text is something they can more easily reference.

now we're down to the places we don't want to think about too much, speech and writing came from imagery, is why imagery is so effective.. when you read something you utilize those things.. when you read something emotions activate, the centers of the brain of visualization activate.. text and speech is just a more general medium where there is less misunderstandings but an image speaks a thousand words and some can interpret that in many different ways (that can then be used to manipulate in memes) but the written language is more accurate in that it boils very complicated concepts down to a few simple things. So that a meaning is not ambiguous. but precise.. exactly why memes work so well it activates the part of the brain that already deals with boiling these things down that is more maleable..

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>>119347033
White people displaced and destroyed the Native American populations through disease and war. If you deny that, then you are dillussional. Even I can cède that there is conflict between native Europeans and the newly arrived people from Africa and Asia.

But, by your logic, if these Africans and Asians destroy your society and build something better in their own view, it's worth the destruction of your society, right?

>>119309194
Bra skrivet! You know that we, the scandinavian people, have been traced back to scandinavia for at least 13 000 years. The left like to talk about the native americans, but they didnt have to pay taxes to fund their own ethnic genocide.

>>119349222
I love that one. Such a great video.

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>>119349057
There is a lack of labour - otherwise labour would not be so expensive, would it?
Here there's plenty of labour but not enough jobs so people make shit money and most don't work at all.

Now, with regards to starting industries
> the government taxes the ever living shit out of you
> most companies go bankrupt not because of bad sales, but because they can't pay taxes
> the IRS hounds you like an animal
> the beaurocracy is so fucked that you need to lose an entire day to get papers.

And before you bring up democracy look at pic related. The young people will never outnumber gibsmedat commies for at least 20 years.

>>119349709
>text is something they can more easily reference.
You are on a IMAGEBOARD.
Fuck sakes the time you spendt talking about how immigrants need to stay in their own countries to make them better was just described by that professor in like 4 minutes.
All you had to do was copy the link, and paste it, or make a better video, then copy the link and paste it.

>>119311622
Lol, your Country is shit because brown people to be honest. Last i went it had shady af muslim government, lots of indians and Indonesian immigrants with shit wages and small successful but under resented chinese, im taking your women, what you gonna do about it yong?

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>>119350021
Low cost labor is detrimental to innovation.
Arguing for low cost labor is exactly the same as arguing for slavery.

>>119349883
>be savage retard battling other tribes for eternity
>some other people come over and conquer us all
>dayumn ebil cracka now you have to give gibs

>>119349535
Of course - but dirt poor in the US is about 10k/year if I'm not mistaken - that's 2 times the AVERAGE income here in Ro. And food is about the same or cheaper in the US than here.

The biggest difference is rent, but then again the US has lower taxes and you even get a tax return which is amazing. Also gas is a lot cheaper in the US and so are cars.

So yeah... it's not all so cut and dry as you cancer ass would like to think.

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>>119350487
>Big baby wants to keep whining to justify his hungry empty soul

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>>119350776
Not an argument

>>119349883
>But, by your logic, if these Africans and Asians destroy your society and build something better in their own view, it's worth the destruction of your society, right?

No you have to navigate with what works.. it all boils down to jealousy if you want to take it to the ultimate navigator the ultimate direction.. It's hate for them not having done it first.. everyone has that.. i understand that.. like someone is better at you at sports or whatever classification you have at life.. there you work your ass off and someone comes in effortlessly does it better.. "ah what a fucking asshole i hate him and admire him at the same time, just want him out of my face though"

But we all have to build on what is achieved..

And that's what whites achieved intellectually, the idea of altruism the idea that we all need to have all brought up to par.. all must be brought to 1st world status.. And we're not getting there by dragging eachother down..

"lot of words what did he mean by that.. <insert picture> says the "norge"

We need to seperate our generational strife from what we are doing now, or we are not going to make it.. if we keep bringing eachother down over generational strife "somewhere down the line you did something bad to me by your ancestors so now i have do do something bad to you" we're not going to get there.. It's like starting at the depth of the ocean and striding to reach the top of the water where we can all breathe, but instead of working together it's like " you did this to me, it's your fault, i should not improve myself it's you you must pay for this i should not do anything differently" lack of moral agency what is that.. self responsibility and self accountability.. "you are better i'm not better clearly it's your fault".. how can we both succeed? And white nations are trying to drag all these other nations into shallow water and are hated and pissed on for it.. But it's worth it.

>>119349883
Europeans have built empirically better cities on a widespread scale than anything they have built. Europeans also have developed a higher standard of living than any of the most advanced civilizations. There are still many Chinese who are starving everyday despite who rich and powerful their leaders are. You will not find many 1st world Europeans in Britain, France, or Germany starving in the street. These Africans and Asians could never have hoped to invade us by force. We are committing suicide. They are overrunning us because the weak willed among us are letting them.

>>119350936
Go fuck yourself gypsy. You have scum genetics.

>>119351021
*how

>>119350024
>Fuck sakes the time you spendt talking about how immigrants need to stay in their own countries to make them better was just described by that professor in like 4 minutes.
All you had to do was copy the link, and paste it, or make a better video, then copy the link and paste it.
>Fuck sakes the time you spendt talking about how immigrants need to stay in their own countries to make them better was just described by that professor in like 4 minutes.
All you had to do was copy the link, and paste it, or make a better video, then copy the link and paste it.

No because when you read words like text, it informs yourself about yourself and makes you think also.. Ofcourse i use memes, but memes are manipulative.. And in certain situations they are detrimental rather than positive. Also using text you are forcing the brain to think to analyze.. is reading a book the same as analyzing an image? no it isn't.. An image analysis is directly attacking your subconcious aswell as your concious mind in involuntary ways. Text allows you to open your mind a bit more voluntarily. You are the one dictating what your mind explains to you from that text, with an image all other kinds of things are at work and as such are more manipulative.

>>119351106
>fcking dirt poor cancer baby
>muh genetics

You live in the US. You are dirt poor. By all accounts YOU FUCKED UP worse than the immigrants.

>>119351589
Not an argument.

>>119351380
I understand and appreciate what you are trying to do, but you have to understand that the majority of people don't read like you and I do. Their attention spans are small and they read between a 6th to 8th grade level.

>>119351380
God dammit dude, your IQ range is the worst.
Too stupid to understand automagically, too smart to be taught because you rationalize it away.

>>119350253
It's not arguing FOR it I'm just explaining why there's such a disparity between the two. My country is capital poor and labour rich so working abroad and sending the money home is a solution we have adopted.

>>119352058
>he's so stupid goyim
How much are they paying you to be here? You've done almost nothing but character asssinate me in this thread and telling them do disregard everything here. I hope it was worth it.

>damnit he's not buying the whole argument to manipulate people rather than providing them with facts..

>>119352558
>working
Is that what you call pickpocketing and grifting the locals?

>>119352706
>muh cancer

>>119352058
>more images less substance
<3

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>>119351021
>>119351021
Égypt, Mesopotamia, India and China were the first civilizations, while Europeans lived in caves and didn't know what bathing was.

Non, whites have conquered white lands many times in history. You just choose to ignore the fall of Athens, the Mongolian empire and the moorish rule in Spain and Portugal.

You are being overrun because you and your people are losing the primary game all organisms are competing in: reproduction. Nothing altruistic about it. You need us and that's why you are being overrun. My family makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year ON THE BOOKS and have multiple houses. I don't know a single white family that has more than a single house and then complain about how Indians and Chinese are causing the property prices to go up.

Get fucked and move over. These lands belong to the winners.

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>>119352964
Not an argument, sad little gypsy baby. Your ottoman blood is expressing its juvenile genes under the stress of losing to a non argument.

>>119352704
Ok well, have fun typing out the same argument four times a day.
One day you might come to the realization that you should have listened to anon.

More words != more substance.

>>119353157
But tell me pajeet - how come Indians become successful when they move to the west yet their country is so insanely poor?

Just your opinion.

>>119353157
>moorish rule in Spain and Portugal
What was the Reconquista?
It also looks like you ignored the part about how low the standard of living is in those nations you mentioned compared to Europe.

As long as whites are sleeping you'll be fine. But when we wake up the times will change. But please, keep pissing us off. Maybe you'll trigger these liberal fuck ups into doing something for a change.

>>119353157
>muh dick and muh procreation the post
>these lands belong to the winners
yet you are the greatest losers because will you create a higher standard of living without us.. nope.. and you know it.. thus the hatred.. because you don't know how.. you long to the "glory days" so long in the past when you ruled supreme.. lot of things have changed since then.. as have your own demands for your own populations.. nemesis and hubris..

Almost i want all whites to no longer be there, just so you can fill the sting of having nobody to blame but yourself when everything falls apart, almost want to be a fly on the wall where a hundred years from then you are mired in all kinds of problems, but only almost.. because your pride and vanity you have destroyed your own place.. we seek to help you and your resolution is to stomp us into the ground as if we were nothing.. cute.. but stomping empty air does not resolve your conundrum.. Ofcourse you hate us, but we love you. And want the best for you.. spit in our face all you want, nothing new..

>>119353468
>calls me a gypsy
>thinks he's won

Such high iq anon

>>119353655
>same argument four times a day
perhaps you should consult the archives. This is a first.

>>119310722
Read all your posts, my attention surprisingly didn't wander, because I agree with you

Also that OP pic is perfect

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>>119354091
>still thinking there was ever anything to win with his retarded baby whining non arguments

More and more the feral ottoman emerges

>im poor
>gib me dats. I want that meatball gimme dat meatball.

>>119354091
How does the average day in Romania go. Not trying to get you angry, but rather genuinely curious about the day to day. Are you higher or lower class, rural or urban, how many problems do you have with gypsy caravans stealing children?

>>119314692
The only answer you will ever get, as you are learning, is that it is OK because it is revenge for colonialism or wars in middle east etc. They also fall for the jew lie that it is white christains fault the world is fucked up, and they can't see that the jew is behind this because they'd have to admit Hitler was right, or even worse, that their problems and fucked up countries are their own fault