What is your opinion on suppressor? What do you think would be

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>>111208830
> tfw no Welrod to dispatch your foe silently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12AjvEsaHg

>>111208830
hahah benis in bagina :DDD

What's the problem with supressors?

>>111208830
There are literally no cons.

>>111208830
>What is your opinion on suppressor?
I approve of all devices that lowers the risk of hearing loss and reduced the nuisance levels for neighbors.

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>>111208830
there are no cons to deregulating suppressors

>>111208830

If the lefties actually understood what suppressors do and do not do, I think they would actually push to make them required on all guns. They think that suppressors are "silencers" that turn everyone who uses them into some kind of super assassin, but in reality guns with suppressors are still as loud as a jet engine and are more difficult to conceal and transport due to having a giant tube protruding from the end.

>>111208830
Is OK I want to hear the FINAL scream of the one I shoot

>>111208830
1 suppressors are already legal
2 this legislation just ends the insane red tape required to get a safety device
3 the only con will be the wasted energy of the Ignorant crying"muh assassination tools"

>>111209909
>If the lefties actually understood what suppressors do and do not do, ....they would actually push to make them required on all guns.


pretty much this

>>111208830
Here is why I am against suppressors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfire_locator

>>111209311
Yes... The last cries of the person being shot are enough .. just raise my TV volume and is OK

>>111208830
Supressors are already legal

>>111209909
Anon don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
Media deliberately pushes these lies knowing full well what they're doing
But I do agree that for normal people that aren't rabid antigunners who just want to see any and all form of gun rights restricted with whatever propaganda and lies to advance that goal we do need to dispel these lies
Link related as an example of the lengths media will go to push these lies
https://youtu.be/IRJJPyNzry0

>>111208830
The first couple shots with a suppressor are still loud as fuck from the ones I've used

>>111210802
Stop watching Hollywood, silencers doesn't make guns go ''pew pew''
Unless they are built for it like the VSS, welrod, de lisle etc they are still really loud.

>>111208830
uhh who is going to catch you?

It would be terrible. The only thing stopping the ninja sniper squads from shooting everybody in the street is the fact that they can't do it with 100% silence due to the ban.

If we lift this ban, good luck next time you leave the house.

what negatives?

>>111212031
YOUR BABY PLAYING IN THE YARD WOULD BE DEAD AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HEAR IT UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE

>>111208830
They should be legal. The volume of the gun shot is highly dependent on the barrel length and what type of ammo you're using. You don't just put it on any gun and make it silent.
You need to have ammo that does not have a muzzle velocity faster than the speed of sound with whatever barrel you're using.
Longer barrels tend to add more muzzle velocity.

>>111210802

>he still owns a TV

why are leftists always such cancerous normalfags?

>>111208830
Suppressors reduce the sound of guns about 20-30 db. It's the difference between hitting a bell with a 4lb hammer and a 1lb hammer, ie it's still loud as fuck.

>>111208830
>What is your opinion on suppressor?
great thing, very useful and beneficial
>What do you think would be the pros and cons of legalizing suppressors in the United States?
suppresors are already legal, this is about removing current gungrabbing bureaucratic hurdle
>In your opinion, would the benefits outweigh the negatives?
there are no negatives

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>>111209909
stop using facts guys!

>>111211715
even with subsonic rounds?

>>111211449

I just love how the liberal media twists facts and outright lies and then tries to label the real story "fake news."

>>111212632
>how to shoot people without actually causing damage: the round

>>111211826

I'm not scared of some faggot sni

>>111208830
>What do you think would be the pros and cons of legalizing suppressors in the United States?
Pros: Cans become cheaper. Single caliber pistol and .22lr cans will be extremely cheap as they can be made with utterly cheap materials.
No waiting 6 months plus for a can, although with HPA they still may implement a waiting period of a few days
Integrally suppressed weapons become a thing. Enter integrally suppressed 16" bullpups and pistols

Cons: Current suppressor manufacturers are strongly geared towards high end suppressors and their designs integrate high end materials because lol NFA. If suddenly everyone and their mother can make a Maglite suppressor for .45 and below...
It also hurts R&D of multi cal suppressors - they'll still be a thing for rifles, because rifle cans can never be as cheap as pistol cans.
SilencerCo, AAC, and a whole bunch of others could effectively go out of business, not because they don't adapt and make a cheap silencer, but because there will be a $15 dollar do it yourself kit that requires a maglite.
I imagine the medium to high quality suppressor manufacturers that make up the market will have to become FIREARMS manufacturers primarily, making integrally suppressed weapons.

As for the large gun manufacturers, they'll be slow as fuck to adapt to HPA. I expect FN and HK to offer suppressors with some of their guns, as well as ruger to have an integrally suppressed .22.
S&W will probably attempt an integrally suppressed revolver, they'll eventually come up with a gas sealed one around the size of a snubbie that will sell like mad.
Magnum caliber suppression will become a thing

>>111210506
>if lefties understood guns

Pretty much this

>>111209247
liberals that have never shot guns before think they make the shots silent and are afraid of people shooting and nobody hearing it

>>111212151
Kek. There are people who actually think this.

>>111211715
>>111212314
it would be extremely quiet for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgLm7rSg5JA

>>111208830
Most hunters here use them. Literally no downsides.

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>>111211449
>WaPo
>Rosenwald

OY VEY

>>111212757
It's called projection anon.

Remember all the bitching that if Trump lost to Hillary the right would riot and question the results endlessly?

Notice how all their so called fears is exactly how the left reacted?
https://youtu.be/MNIwudJjvn0

>>111212632
Yes. Still 120db if you're lucky.

>>111212765

I mean in a military situation, maybe they'd be less effective in certain instances. But to. Civilian, up close with no protection, a bullet will still kill.

>>111213065
>using a video as an example
>a video of an integrally suppressed.22lr no less
If you've ever actual been around a suppressed rifle being shot, let alone shot one yourself, you'd realize how retarded you are. Most suppressors will hardly make a rifle hearing safe.

>>111208830
There's literally no downside.

Leftist think Hollywood accurately depicts suppressors. They get their reality from pop culture, like children.

Hence them thinking it's plausible to shoot the gun out of someone's hand and the like.

>>111213215
Pure coehncidence

>>111209909
they make a very significant difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goHE2Upbydo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3VITZ6-CcY

Benefits:
>Less hearing loss
>Quieter ranges
>More considerate hunters

Drawbacks:
...

>>111208830
Having suppressors readily available to any adult would make it considerably easier for that person to carry out an assassination styled killing with a registered firearm and flee the country before the case authority have linked the bullet fired to said weapon.

>>111208830
What negatives?

>>111208830
Suppressors are wasteful, just wear earmuffs.

Instead of trying to be able to buy pieces of metal that help them kill things, gun owners should be lobbying for more healthcare, income and democratic rights.

>>111213587
How fucking retarded can you be? You realize microphones have a horrible time actually picking up sounds like that, right? If you actually look at the difference in DB you'd realize it's still loud as fuck

>>111213458
Great proof you posted chief, your unsourced anecdote sure convinced me. Nobody on this board can ever just admit they're wrong, can they?

>>111213644
"No"

>>111213644

How does the type of gun used affect how easy it is to flee?

>>111209287

Weight, length, sight obstruction, heat, increased gas pressure, cycle speed, increased fouling, debris and gas thrown into your face are all possible negatives.

I still like mine.

>>111213644
How's that knife control going?

>>111214077
The smaller the gun means a smaller bullet which makes it harder for the police to find and analyse the evidence

>>111214045
>unsourced
You don't have to source common fucking sense
https://youtu.be/2HzMLvrF6u4
Seriously, go fuck yourself you stupid faggot. The difference between suppressed vs unsuppressed is 20-30db. 160db become 135db.

>>111213948
Hillary pls go

>>111214269
Those are cons of using suppressors OP was asking cons of making them non NFA items

>>111208830
Benefits:
Less hearing loss

Costs:
Not much because it doesn't diminish the sound of the gun that much

all pros, no cons

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>>111213981
You're an idiot.
As long as you use subsonic ammo, suppressors can work with such efficiency that you'll hear nothing but the action of the bolt and trigger group.

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>>111208830
What you in about, suppressors are already legal, I own 2.

>>111213981
of course its still loud but silencers reduce the sound easily by 30 db or in other words a reduction of sound by a factor of more than 31. this is very significant

>>111208830
Lol and then you post a pictute of one of the shittiest scam suppressors on the market.

>>111213948
Why would I do that when my favorite thing in the world is watching leftist bitch? I hope healthcare and rights completely collapse tbhfam bc of how mad it will make the left.

Then maybe we can start shooting them and it won't damage my hearing

>>111208830
Ironic given our gun laws, but not only are suppressors legal here, they're encouraged - good, neighbour, noise pollution, hearing etc

>>111214616
Holy fuck, no. Yeah, on video because microphones are shit, plus usually the mic isn't placed down range

You're all ignoring the fact suppressors affect the sound of the gunshot. It doesnt matter how loud it is, if the people around can't realize a gun's been fired they won't react.

>>111214449

...Oh.

>>111214341
How does that affect fleeing?

>>111214749
When you're going from 150-160 to 130-140, it's significant enough to do less damage to your ears but it's not enough to change shot detection unless you're in the middle of a fucking firefight.

>>111214602
NOT

>>111214870
When you are reincarnated as a nigger you will understand.

>>111214045
>>111214363
Have another that measures the decibels for a bunch of different suppressors in a .223/5.56 rifle which are, by and large, on the quieter end of things.

>>111215226
Forgot link
https://youtu.be/51cSzfn-WCo

>>111214045
Op here
I tried to stay out of the thread to not force my opinion on people, because free thought is a lot more interesting.
However, you are such a retard that I wanted to take some time to educate you on the topic. You have clearly never shot a firearm before, nor have you ever recorded anything loud with a microphone.
A mic can only pick up audio so loud. If you talk loudly into a mic, and then scream into it in two seperate audio files, you will notice that they are both equally loud, but the one where you screamed into the mic might have more compression and distortion in the audio. Any professional with good sound equipment would have hardware that would prevent the audio from being compressed or too loud, meaning that an audio clip of talking loudly and intense screaming would both be of similar volume. Not to mention that your speakers play a big difference as well.

tl;dr microphones and speakers can't simulate the differences in volume between very loud audio sources, which means they can not be used to reliably show the effectiveness of a silencer

I recommend that you either listen to the people around you who actually know about firearms and have experience shooting them, and if you are not satisfied, go to a shooting range with multiple different calibers of weapons, and fire them with and without a silencer, and figure it out yourself.

>>111214449
That's the joke you autist. Unless you are employing some sub level sarcasm here

Do liberals actually think suppressors makes it easier to assassinate people just because they saw some movies once?

>>111215163
At least that's down the road a ways instead of being a nigger like you are right now

>>111215025
>t. someone whose never heard a suppressed gun in person before

>>111208830
>>111209287
I'm a right wing gun owner, but I think making them legal and therefore more common, is a huge mistake. Right now suppressors are difficult to get simply because they have never been legal. Once they are legal, even if only for a short time, they will get into niggers hands and crime will increase. They only real deterrent for niggers not to shoot people all the time is the loud noise that will alert authorities. And on the home protection side....why would you want to silence your shots? The loudness disorientation and scares the intruder so that even if you miss or fire a warning shot they may bolt. Give me on possible pro for a supressor, I can't think of any...not talking about hunters.

>>111214341
r u high?

>>111214045
https://youtu.be/vydILDfxEnU
>average 9mm suppressed decibels 132
https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm
>130 decibels: military jet takeoff

>>111208830
protect your doggo when duck hunting

>>111215243
>>111215226
>>111214045
Here, have another; https://youtu.be/iL2Q2DIX76o

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>>111213644
>>111214290

>>111214341
This better be bantz

>>111208830
Just a piece of metal, should be legal

>>111208830
Suppresors are legal you no guns you just need a 200 dollar tax stamp.

>>111213644
only leftist everyday persons would think of "carrying out an assassination styled killing"

>>111209311

Suppressors are legal in Sweden by the way.

>>111215502
Suppressed shotguns are weird looking things. My mate has one.

>>111215334
Yes, they literally do. They are like children and derive their reality from fantasy

>>111208830
Zero cons of deregulating them.

>>111215445
>The loudness disorientation and scares the intruder so that even if you miss or fire a warning shot they may bolt
I'm anti-silencer but please stop with this retardation

>>111215334
Yes.
If you don't believe me find any antigun goybook page on this topic and look at the comments.

>>111215445
>t. non-gun owning democrat
Fuck off you fudd piece of shit. Gangbangers use the cheapest and smallest pistols they can get their hands on when actually committing crimes. It's about conceal ability and suppressors are NOT easily concealable let alone are the cheap throw away pistols even capable of accepting suppressors.
>And on the home protection side....why would you want to silence your shots? The loudness disorientation and scares the intruder so that even if you miss or fire a warning shot they may bolt.
You are this retarded, right? Go shoot at an indoor range without hearing protection and tell me you want to do that.
>Give me on possible pro for a supressor, I can't think of any...not talking about hunters.
kys

>>111215445
Except they are legal now. Quit pretending to be a right winger you stupid fucking commie shill

>>111208830
The world got enough problems, no need to add more tinnitus, or disrupt peoples sleep too

>>111215334
Yes, both look at this thread or ask any of your libshit relatives.

>>111215334
Leftists get 100% of their information from media/propaganda. Literally zero free thought.

>>111215628
In the United States, State government has the majority of the say in firearms restrictions. It might not be federal law to ban suppressor, but in many states they are illegal

>>111215717
>guise
>I'm not a cuck today am i guise?
>guise?

>>111208830
pro: you can shoot a nigga and dont blow your eardrums

cons: none

>>111215334
But they actually do. The difference between a suppressed gunshot vs. normal through walls and with distance is "that sounds like a firecracker" to "hmm, i wonder what that noise was"

>>111215445
Suppressors have been legal since they were invented. It just takes a 200 dollar tax + 10 months waiting for your paperwork to get processed.

>>111212632

It removes the crack of the gunshot and makes it more of a loud rattle.

>>111213458
Lol you're fucking retarded dude

>>111208830
Why the fuck does anybody need a suppressor? I mean fucking really what are you going to use it for, in case of something like "hurr I gotta shoot Tyrone cause hes trespassing illegally but I dont want to wake up my neighbors"? By all means shoot the motherfucker dead but suppressors have almost no use in a civilian market, you're a neckbeard with a gun not a member of SOCOM

Any ex-military know if the army uses suppressors in combat? Google says only SOF and snipers use them.

>>111208830
It make the hood a lot quieter at real nigga hours 100 100 smash dat like

>>111215025
Your ignoring the fact suppressors only dampen the sound they dont make it into some hollywood bullshit silent gun.

A 9mm suppressed still is loud as fuck.

>>111216149
A gunshot heard in the distance sounds like a car door slamming shut. If you hear 5 car door slams coming from your neighbor's bedroom at 3 AM I think you'd still suspect something is amiss.

If someone can provide me with a plausible scenario where an assassination could be carried out using subsonic ammunition from a suppressed firearm where the assassin would be far away enough for the ammo to not only be lethal, but able to actually hit its target, and the assassin be able to escape the scene of the crime, then I suck my own dick

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>>111208830
Guns are loud as fuck and I would appreciate being able to casually shoot one without needing ear protection.

>>111216361
Not even approaching an argument

>>111210506
So what do they actually do? I've never used one.

>>111216361
He's right though. On many rifles you still need to wear hearing protection even with a suppressor

>>111216381
you are retarded

it doesnt make the gun into the pew pew pew hollywood sound effect

>>111208830
They would make ear plugs at the gun range obsolete. The reason certain police departments might not like them is because certain cities have gun shot detectors that might not be set off by a suppressed firearm. The only criminals with the money and gray matter to invest in suppressors though would be mafiosos and hit men where as jamal will be content with his keltec.

>>111216522
A silenced* gunshot

>>111216381
Shooting a gun in a closed hallway without ear protection is the equivalent of flash banging yourself. It completely fucks your situational awareness. A suppressor will seriously dampen this effect

>>111216381
I'm going to wake you up in the middle of the night and force you to shoot an unsuppressed rifle with no ears on and then you can say that you Ignorant fuckstick.

But you won't be able to tell if you are because you're going to be completely deaf for the next few hours.

>>111216381
Wrong

Ever shot a gun indoors without hearing protection? Might make you burst an ear drum

>>111215445

>implying you don't just put the gun up to a pillow to suppress the sound when you don't want to be heard

baka

>>111216528
The kicker is that the main reason for using subsonic ammo is just so you don't get that "crack/pop" sound. Those fancy shot detectors they have now can still detect subsonic shots.

>>111216388
Id imagine only sof. They are expensive

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>>111213644
> America
> registered firearm

Hajajahaha>>111213741

>>111216381
They're good for hunting with less restrictive ear pro, for teaching new shooters without them developing a flinch, and they're fun for pissing off fags like you.

>>111216638

Make gunshots slightly less loud.

I still wear earplugs using all of mine except for .22. Sometimes even then I still wear them.

>>111216528
Exactly. What are you going to do? Shoot them from 700yds away with your subsonic 5.56? Good luck

>>111216381
t. The only time people shoot guns are in the case of home invasion. There is no need to shoot off 100 rounds other than in a military engagement

Back to /r/eddit f8tgor

Pros :

-reduce noise induced hearing damage
-reduce disturbance for neighbors and wildlife

Cons :

-none

The argument that leftards use "hurr criminals are going to use them for murders" doesn't stand. Suppressors were completely unregulated in France up until 2012 and criminals/terrorists have never used them. Fact is, those people see guns as a tool to get the job done, in a completely utilitarian sense, they don't give a fuck about tacticool stuff, they aren't gun enthusiasts, and they couldn't care less about their hearing or the disturbance of people around them.
Actually it is extremely surprising that suppressors aren't mandatory, it is obvious that the left has no idea about what it actually does, and makes laws on the knowledge they got from movies. In nordic countries, suppressors are clearly encouraged for hunting, whereas in France this is completely illegal because of "hurr them evil poachers would be killing animals without anyone noticing". Yeah, sounds totally legit.

>>111216779
>literally blocking half your line of sight when you shoot to prevent hurting your ears
>implying your eardrums will matter when you miss and get stabbed to death

>>111216381
For noise pollution reduction, hearing protection, not to disturb livestock as much etc.

>>111216996
>and they're fun for pissing off fags like you.

This might be the most important thing in the pro column

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>>111216638
Refer to:
https://youtu.be/iL2Q2DIX76o
https://youtu.be/51cSzfn-WCo
Literally all they do is reduce the noise just enough so your ears aren't ringing with every shot. Still WAY louder than a jack hammer and most tools and machines, the only difference is since it's not a sustained noice 135-140 db (which is what a suppressor will bring a rifle down to, rough) doesn't completely make you deaf.

>>111217008
So it's used more for the comfort of the user than for stealth application?

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>>111216533

You still need ear protection with them. Look where 120 decibels is on this scale.

>>111216528
Can't you do that pretty easily with a rifle?
Not saying it's possible or anything, I know jack shit about guns, but I m inclined to think modern rifles would still keep a very long range even with the supressor, or at least a specific rifle would

>>111215111
BE

>>111217303
Pretty much. It reduces the amount of damage done to your eardrums

>>111208830
There are no negatives. Ban on suppressors (which does not exist in the US, OP,, but in Austria it does) is stupid af and comes from politicans who know everything they do about guns from hollyjew.

>>111217312
Since when do earthquakes make noise

>>111217312
120db is only as quiet as you'll ever get a .22lr. Actual rifle calibers get down to MAYBE 135.

>>111217439
I don't know since shit falls and breaks and people scream?

>>111213000
>liberals
>Hollywood lovers
>think suppressor silcence shots like in movies

Why u surprised?

>>111217086

>he can't properly conduct a hit

baka desu senpai

>>111216962
Read an article that the usmc is trialling suppressed m4s for grunt units, if successful maybe rolling them out across the board. Very expensive though as they need component mods to handle the increased gas pressure when cycling full auto

>>111209564
Thank God! They didn't trust her with real ammunition.

>>111216522
>A gunshot heard in the distance sounds like a car door slamming shut
No it doesn't, not until you reach extreme distances anyway. The characteristics are much different.

This isn't even factoring in .22, which will undoubtedly become the weapon of choice for street gangs when 97 IQ designated street scholar Jamalquo Harris finds out that subsonic ammo and silencers make you all stealthy n sheit.

>>111217327
INFRINGED

kinda pissed it took this long

>>111217042
Subsonic 556. That's funny

>>111215445
t. noguns

>>111217572
Shite, meant for
>>111216856

>>111216773
It isn't really a might.
Anything 357mag and above will absolutely rupture your eardrums if shot in a confined area like in your home.
>>111217086
I think the leaf was specifically reffering to nefarious reasoning to quite your shots like premeditated murder of someone close to quite the shots.

That being said these kinds of murders are no affected in any way by what tools are available

>>111216388
They're used so that the sound doesn't travel as much and also it makes it harder to detect in the middle of a firefight.

>>111208830
Pros:
Saves your hearing
Saves the hearing of your hunting doggo
Shooting ranges are less loud for nearby companies

Cons:
Gun violence in inner cities is only heard twenty blocks away, not thirty. Is that really a con?

>>111216381
Go shoot a gun indoor without hearing protect and get back to us

>>111217572
Not all suppressors. Many are FA rated out of the box.

Personally I wouldn't buy a suppressor unless it was FA rated

>>111217439
>a fucking leaf

they make plinking fun for women and children

nwo says illegal!

>>111217519
dB is a pressure unit and useless to characterize noise sources unless given with distance.

>>111208830
they need to be about as legal as YOUR MOM XD

>>111217439
Earthquakes are incomprehensibly powerful waves traveling through rock soil etc.
The waves are just at such a low frequency that the human ear can't hear them but the sound these waves generate are immensely loud.

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>>111217439

If a leaf falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a noise?

Is it true suppressors hurt accuracy like in CS Go?

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>>111217653
Laffin

>>111208830
What cons? In here you can buy suppressors if you have guns.

>>111208830

They legalized them here for hunting without scaring neighbors and dispatching rogue deer/bear/wolves\mtn lions without freaking out your neighborhood and dealing w cops.

You can legally attach suppressor and blast dogs and cats that fuck with your livestock or bunnies in your garden.

Great really.

>>111217969
>being this autistic
It's measured at the muzzle.

>>111218054
They theoretically improve accuracy by making the barrel longer and giving the bullet more length under pressure to accelerate - but not much.

>>111217609
>silencers make stealth assassinations easy
>silencers are still really loud
Make up your mind

>>111218332
That's not how it works.

member when supressors cost a nickle? i member

>>111208830
When assassinating politicians and journalists I find that wearing hearing protection decreases my effectiveness.

>>111218230
Unless you hold your ear there while shooting it doesn't mean 120dB will hurt you.

i have a .22 revolver that fires shorts. it sounds like a hand clap. even quieter when i wrap a towel around it. every likeminded anon here should own one

>>111218054

Depending on the round used, could fall off a bit sooner but why are you long shotting in the first fucking place.

Keep it to 50yards.

>>111217609
>This isn't even factoring in .22, which will undoubtedly become the weapon of choice for street gangs
22s are already a favorite choice for criminals for the same reason all guns criminals use are used.
22s are cheap and easy to conceal which fits what criminals need 99% of the time.

>>111218403
Imagine if you were wearing hearing protection while a sniper sniped you using a silencer? That would be terrible.

You'd never hear it coming.

>>111218054
No but you do have reduced pressures, plus of course the use of subsonic ammunition. With reduced velocity you lose energy and range but accuracy is more to do with barrel harmonics, rifling, and of course the condition of the crown.

>>111218392

You can make one w a length of pipe, springs and washers.

Use proper measurements to not kill ypourself or ruin weapon.

>>111215445
Ra-tard

>>111218147
Will it cycle?

>>111217324
Supersonic ammunition is the only way to make long ranged shots viable. However, supersonic ammunition makes a very loud sonic boom when shot.
Subsonic ammo might work well enough for a pistol, but good luck making a long ranged shot with a subsonic suppressed pistol

>>111218700
If it's in a rifle that's set up to run subsonic 5.56, probably

>>111218484
Yes, but standard .22 is quite loud especially from pistols. Silenced .22's with subsonic ammo really are the quiet wonders like silenced guns are depicted as in movies, I've fired them.

High quality hearing protection will knock down about 20-25dB, assuming it is worn properly. Most people don't insert the yellow foamies properly, yielding less than 20dB noise reduction.

A typical suppressor will reduce noise by 30-35dB. The difference from 20 to 30 dB is not 50%, it's a ten-fold reduction.

The risk of hearing damage and tinnitus increases with greater noise exposure. This fact is why industry and the military adopted hearing conservation programs. Suppressors will provide additional hearing conservation at the shooting range or when hunting.

>>111217324
>I know jack shit about guns,
Then stop

>>111214341
I'm really hoping this is bait.

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>>111208830
Timely thread

After months of research and second guessing I threw down on 2 supressors yesterday. Now I play the waiting game.

Just to add to the chorus, I don't really see any downsides to deregulation.

The idea that it will be a crime problem is obsurd. Like the kinds of people responsable for our murder rate are sitting around thinking " that nigga Tyrone disrespected me, I would sure love to murder him but I am worried the gun is too loud"

Hollywood style assassination is mostly a myth anyway, and in the event it does happen supressors are easy enough to make that some secret shadow assassin can get one regardless of legal status.

Lastly, the noise of the gun goes unnoticed alot of the time anyway. Many criminal cases or suicides occur without immediate reporting becuase people either don't hear the shot, or think it's something else. Even though gunshots are extremely loud the noise can be dampened by walls, houses, ect. Their have been plenty of documented cases of people sleeping through a gunshot in their house.

>>111218848
>A typical suppressor will reduce noise by 30-35dB
Only with subsonics and certain calibers

>>111218758
Supersonic bullets don't make boom, they make ptschh, like a whip.
It's still very loud but more silent than having this plus the sudden decompression at the muzzle.

>>111217324
>I know jack shit about guns
Then stop talking about them faggot.

>>111218054
No.
At most it can change point of impact of your zero.

Issues in regards to this would be due to subsonic ammo and those issues would happen regardless of a suppressor or not.

>>111219033
It's a loud crack you faggot nigger

>>111218700
Not something I have to worry about mate :(
I have read a special upper may be needed to allow reliable cycling. Couple of places sell full ARs setup for subsonic
http://beckdefense.net/5.56mm-cycling-subsonic-rifle

>>111218054
No. Not as a rule. Generally the recoil reduction makes for better accuracy and quicker follow ups from what I understand. Some designs when combined with some rifles can have funny blast patterns that buffet the bullet as it travels through the suppressor. Luck of the draw really. Some companies claim their designs mitigate the possibility

>>111219033
Have you ever fired a fucking rifle before.
My AR sounds nothing like a whip crack.

>>111218054

If you fire a bullet that travels faster than the speed of sound through a suppressor it still creates a loud bang due to the sonic boom it creates, which is why if you want the quietest shot you need to use cold loaded, subsonic ammunition that travels much slower, at least slower than the speed of sound.

The lower accuracy could be a video game representation of a slower bullet that suffers from more drop and wind movement

>>111217303

Depends on your intended application.

Suppressed gunfire is harder to locate, because the sonic crack is now the louder sound and that's coming from the bullet itself and echos off of everywhere.

Also suppressors are excellent flash hiders, but that can be accomplished by...Well, a flash hider.

>>111218700
not likely unless the weapon was designed specifically to cycle subsonic rounds which 95% of firearms are not.

>>111218807
>Silenced .22's with subsonic ammo really are the quiet wonders like silenced guns are depicted as in movies, I've fired them.
Yes and?
If criminals we're about that they'd be all buying oil filters and threading them on their 22s.
They don't because a criminal doesn't typically use a gun to shoot it(outside of gang warfare) they use guns as an intimidation tool and for that job criminals have always picked the cheapest and most concealable weapons available.
This applies even to things beyond firearms such as small daggers and knives being used over larger blades.

And remember this bill only takes suppressors off the NFA but they will still legally be defined under the same laws regarding firearms as in to buy one from a shop you need to fill out a 4473 so your argument for "muh niggers gon get these legal suppressors" is no different than everyother antigun argument complaining about criminals getting guns.

The issues with inner city crime are completely detached from the tools they used and as such going after their tools or perceived future tools is a waste of time.

>>111208830
Bit of a gun nut here. I really don't have a problem with the current system of Title II transfers, except for the absurd wait times. I'd be happy if they'd just actually put enough people working on them that it didn't take 6+ months to get your Form 4 approved.

>>111219269
>>111219470
>American reading comprehension
Trump should bring Schools to America.

>>111219335
Right. Good luck with brexit. Make great Britisian great again

>>111219686
And less gyroscopic stability. Lower velocity means slower rotation.

>>111208830
There are currently tens of thousands of cans in private ownership in America alone. They have had no increase or decrease in crime what-so-ever and i doubt if they're easier to obtain that will change.
Most are for .22lr or the AR-15 which is almost never used to commit crimes.
Having had the chance to shoot a couple that were on a 22 pistol i wasn't impressed by the fact they add a noticeable amount of weight to the end of the barrel, but for those who want one i guess they can take the time to adjust to it.
I still prefer electronic baffles since they block any gunfire sounds while not obstructing any sounds below a certain threshold. So they work on any type of gun under almost any conceivable condition.

>>111208830
If OSHA was branch of the AFT suppressors mandatory safety equipment and would be a higher priority than trigger locks.

The key is using subsonic ammo to get most benefit. You need to understand how this affects cycling as well.

Forget 5.56...Best decent rifle cartridge for low db is the 300 blackout, but using subsonic rounds without a suppressor may reduce back pressure and have cycling issues.

In Florida hunting with suppressors is now legal and some local gun shops sell them and help walk you through all legal paperwork.

>>111220563
What, you don't use your AR to commit crimes? What do you use instead?

AR is a great platform for committing crimes. It's one of the scariest ones out there.

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>>111215445

>>111220563
What's a good electronic earpro that's affordable?

>>111208830
I like mine, I can shoot a racoon from living room and not fuck my ears.

>>111213644
Suppressors are freely available to people in the UK.

You can buy them without any form of gun license. I don't think you even need to be 18.

>>111209141
Hnnnng. Using that in MOA

>>111208830
But I have a silencer...

>>111221365
I knowwww! Those games were badass.

>>111208830
Anyone can make a surpressor out of an oil can, a pringles can, some pvc pipes etc.


If you need one for nefarious reasons you don't care that it is illegal. These things are low tech.

Making them illegal just deprives law abiding people who want to protect their hearing, or don't want to disturb their neighbors while they target shoot from being able to quiet their guns.

the (((ATF))) would not collect its 200 dollars

>>111218501
you never hear it coming regardless

>>111221290
Howard Leight's are good muff and can usually be bought for less then 50 Canadian.
I use a pair of custom plugs, they tend to cost allot more but they are far more comfortable IMO.

>>111222222
Hextets of truth

>>111222222

CHECKEDDDD

>>111222222
Checked for truth

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>>111222222
Nice get

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>>111222222
include me in the screenshot

>>111208830

There are literally no cons.

Christ, even europe doesn't regulate them as heavily as we do. In some of the scandinavian countries, you can buy them over the counter.

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>>111222222
Putin wants to be in Screenshot

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>>111222222
Chekered! DO NOT include me in the screencap.

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>>111222556
5.56, noice.

>>111222222
Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Carthage should be destroyed.

>>111222222
Suppressors don't suppress like the movies :^)

Official /pol Discord:
https://discord.gg/swp3YFF

theres nothing wrong with them being easier to purchase, but there really expensive, and you still need hearing protection when applying them to larger calibers, a waste of money in my opinion

>>111222229
Thanks, I might get custom plugs because I wear glasses and can't get a proper seal with muffs.

>>111222786
Do not join Discords.

>>111221365

And Medal of Honor: Rising Sun. OHK, at any range, on any body part

>>111212309
>watching the super bowl on the stream
poorfags are cancer

>>111222222
Benis :DDD

>>111222913
Don't be a paranoid conspiritard

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>>111222222
Nice gets.
>>111218501

But in response to booth of you unless you were using subsonic ammo which would be absolutely useless to a sniper you would still hear the bullet breaking the sound barrier. It's just you hear the loud whip like cracking noise from a different point of origin and obviously overall still much much quieter.

>>111213000
please tell me they dont seriously use that argument. You can surround muzzles with household objects to lessen the sound lol they cant be this stupid.

>>111222904
A local audiologist can usually fit you for custom plugs. A good job will cost between 150-300 depending on what extra features you want. I usually just go with basic features because all the noise amplifying features tend to reduce battery life dramatically.

>>111223317
an empty 2 liter softdrink bottle and duct tape will do the trick

>>111223714
t. Mark Wahlberg

>>111208830
How about you don't have the fucking right to tell me I can't shoot without blowing my ears out. I don't remember anything in the Constitution saying I have the right to keep and bear arms but only super loud ones.

Also suppressors don't make the damn thing silent. The sound of a suppressed gunshot is still distinct and can be heard from a distance, it just decreases about 20 decibels (sounds like when you shoot with cheap ear muffs). Even with subsonic ammo it's not that quiet. The meme of Navy seals using them in super undetected operations is Hollywood bullshit. They use them so they don't blow out their own hearing during operations, any enemy within 500 yards is going to know it's gunshots. If you don't believe me let's go shoot, I was disappointed when my suppressor I paid $800 for didn't make me all silent assassin like agent 47. It barely makes a difference but the main thing is not making your ears bleed. They should be cheaper so we need to legalize.

>>111223868

Shooter was really based

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>>111212765
>how to shoot people without actually causing damage: the round


Someone would like to have a word with you.

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>>111223910
The suppressor I fired changed it from the deafening boom of a gunshot to more like the sound of a really loud pneumatic nail gun.

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>>111222222
what ddddid you just do

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>Be me
>Buy suppressor
>6month wait and over 1K out of pocket expenses
>Get to shooting range excited to test it
>Shove suppressor into ear
>Fires gun
>Other ear starts bleeding because no protection
>Nobody told me i needed two for them to work properly.
>MFW

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>>111222222
ayyyy

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>>111208830
>What is your opinion on suppressor?
Too bad they are only allowed for hunting rifles.

Why not supress the sound instead of wearing bulky ear protection when shooting for sport at shooting ranges?

>What do you think would be the pros and cons of legalizing suppressors in the United States?
I've read a few American gun magazines in the last week and was under the impression that silencers are legal in the US? They seem to be widely available on mail order.

>In your opinion, would the benefits outweigh the negatives?
Benefits would outweigh the negatives. People aren't murdered with silenced weapons, they are stabbed, clubbed, choked in fits of rage. In over 90% of the cases, homicide victims know their murderer. DNA analysis does the rest. And there's a nation wide firearms register.

>>111225067
kek

>>111224076

pretty shit story desu

>>111209141
B&T is working on a modern one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcXiqoI4Uhk
https://youtu.be/OO3S0yw_O6M

>>111225067
Top kek

>>111225433
>I've read a few American gun magazines in the last week and was under the impression that silencers are legal in the US? They seem to be widely available on mail order.
They are but require a $200 tax stamp as an NFA item, and are as such only available from licensed Federal Firearms License owners (FFL, which allows you to sell serialised firearms publicly, as a business)

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What, you're not allowed suppressors?

Completely legal here desu

>>111208830
No negatives whatsoever

SHALL

>>111208830
>suppressor

It's called a silencer, stupid. I bet you also call clips "magazines".......retard.

>>111212814
>rifle cans can never be as cheap as pistol cans
But that's wrong. Pistol cans need boosters, which adds another level of complexity. A rifle can is just a baffle stack (or monocore baffle) inside a tube with two threaded endcaps. Simple as shit to produce.

>>111226496
Most states they are legal but you need to do all that, let your CLEO know where you live and what it is and wait half a year or more for permission. It serves no purpose and is the reason I don't own a suppressor

>All this hysteria when you can make a ragtag suppressor out of a bottle,duct tape and a piece of cloth

>>111227369
Those suppressors are massive bulky pieces of shit that only work for .22lr.

>>111226990
>leaf

>>111208830
Real men don't need to hide when they shoot.

>>111227775
Real men don't need hearing aids at 30.

>>111208830
Protected hearing and more indoor ranges and ranges near populated areas.

>>111226496
>$200 tax
Wow. I guess that doubles or triples the price.

>>111227775
>thats right goyim give away your location so we can more easely gun you down in the upcoming race war

>>111227775
Real men upset livestock when hunting

>>111227510
works on an AK (which fires 7.62x39)
yes, i've tried it

>a plastic bottle and piece of cloth are bulky
maybe for your weak leaf hands

>>111228408
The bigger problem is that this tax lowers the ammount of potential buyers, that way it rises the price even more then with the 200 bucks itself

What is your opinion on field artillery?
What do you think would be the pros and cons of legalizing field artillery in the United States?
In your opinion, would the benefits outweigh the negatives?

>>111225433
>I was under the impression supressors were legal in the US

Yes, but are subject to really ridiculous regulation. They must be registered and they are subject to an obscene 200 dollar tax. The registration process takes forever (like a fucking year) and then the possession rules are really twisted. Theoretically, if I had a supressor in a safe and my spouse , who is not the registered owner, knows the combination she could be prosecuted for possession of a NFA item. A case like this actually happened, but was ultimately dismissed. Further, if I go to the range with a pal and he sits in the car while I run into a gas station to buy some tendies he could be in possession of the supressor, a federal offense. Their are ways around this . For example, I am preparing a trust that will own the supressors, and my wife, and a few trusted friends are trustees so they can legally be in possession of the silencers. Just for situations like I described. That requires even more red tape, they all have to be photoed, finger printed, ect

Fucking unreasonable amount of red tape. Thier is currently a movement to remove supressors from the list of near prohibited items and make ownership/ purchase a simple matter.

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>>111228927
So ... basically the only people who would buy them are professional hit men who get them illegally anyway?

>>111229500
Nah, tons of people have them it's just due to the hyper regulation they're not very practical for regular use since, by their nature, they're a disposable item.

>>111215445
Autism


It doesn't make the shots silent, it just make it so your ears aren't fucked.

Therefore none of your arguments are valid

>>111230561
Well it hurt MY feelings. Maybe you should be more tolerant.

>>111213000
>Something called silencer doesen't silence

You need to go back

>>111229813
I suppose the way they are built they can't really be cleaned and they sort of clog up over time?

What about building your own then? Would that be subject to regulations and the tax stamp?

You probably won't be able to build the screw in kind because who has his own lathe at home, but for fixed barrels you could construct a clamp on type.

>>111208830
They are legal. You just need to fill out some paperwork.

Opposition to suppressors is based on Hollywood Myths that they make a gun literally silent as if they counteract the effects of a bullet creating a sonic boom. Meanwhile, subsonic ammo is legal and much much better for killing somebody sneakily, so there isn't any real consistency with the law.

The people that live near people that actually shoot guns would only benefit from suppressor use due to reduced noise pollution. Nobody would die as a result, and in fact, it's questionable if a suppressed weapon would even be better to use to kill somebody. Homemade suppressors, while not as effective, are also not terribly hard to make anyways.

There aren't really any cons to them. The only time they were every used in crimes was by the mob with suppressed .22s for assassinations and the like. The fucking mob will get them either way. Its literally just le assault weapon meme where leftists know nothing about the subject and they ban something because muh scary.

>>111216381
I want one on my shotgun so I don't hurt my dog's ears when we go bird hunting.


Dogs ears are much much more sensitive than ours

>>111230914
>Not knowing the correct term is suppressor
Ok kiddo, calm down some.

>>111230938
Most modern ones can be cleaned, the problem is what part is the serialized suppressor. Baffles wear out and need to be replaced.

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The$200 fee effectively puts a money tax one who was able to own one based on their amount of disposable income. It's not exactly the same however this argument was used in order to allow low-cost handguns aka the Saturday night specials to be produced in the United States


> Roy Innis, president of the activist group Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and a member of the National Rifle Association's governing board,said "To make inexpensive guns impossible to get is to say that you're putting a money test on getting a gun. It's racism in its worst form." (CORE filed as an amicus curiae in a 1985 suit challenging Maryland's Saturday night special/low-caliber handgun ban.

> The Wright and Rossi evaluation of the National Institute of Justice study (p. 238) concluded: "The people most likely to be deterred from acquiring a handgun by exceptionally high prices or by the nonavailability of certain kinds of handguns are not felons intent on arming themselves for criminal purposes (who can, if all else fails, steal the handgun they want), but rather poor people who have decided they need a gun to protect themselves against the felons but who find that the cheapest gun in the market costs more than they can afford to pay."[10]

> CORE filed a brief in the 2001 United States v. Emerson case stating that the term "saturday night special" refers to "nigger-town saturday night".[2]

>>111231054
No shit. We had a terrorist trio that assassinated foreigners via a small calibre gun with silencer they got from Switzerland, and it was reportedly still as loud as baloons being popped, i.e. it attracted attention to them.

Add to that the fact that all guns are registered, that it was no problem at all for police to track the original buyer, and you get to a point where you realize that if you really wanted to kill somebody, you don't use a gun at all.

Buy a slim flathead screwdriver anywhere and stab the victim with it. It's silent, it can't be traced, and if caught you can still say it's manslaughter, not murder.

>>111217553
>>liberals
>>Hollywood lovers
>>think suppressor silcence shots like in movies
>Why u surprised?

maybe only surprised at the levels of retardation never before thought possible. like they believe they're all in an indiana jones movie fighting movie nazis.

>>111225067
Underrated kek

>>111217439

earthquakes can be amazingly loud. we woke up one night to what we thought was incredibly loud thunder from a storm. jumped up to check, but before i could look at radar, the "thunder" just kept rolling on and on, for about 25 seconds.

turns out it was an earthquake in alabama about 200 miles away.

>>111230938
You can clean them, but the blast baffle will erode over time no matter what. If you bought your suppressor (as opposed to making it yourself), you must return it to the manufacturer if you want any of the baffles replaced.

If you built it yourself (which is subject to similar regulations), it's a tricky area as far as I understand. The ATF considers single baffles to be suppressors in their own right, so making a new baffle is legally making a new suppressor. But at the same time, manufacturers are allowed to replace baffles. The ATF itself doesn't have any clear answer, but generally people just replace them anyway because how the fuck is the ATF going to know?

>>111231544
And what do you think it supresses? Not your stupidity obviosuly.

>>111232369
Our commie terrorists of the 1970s got their weapons from the East German secret service, but couldn't get any silencers or suppressors for them. I read somewhere that they got tennis ball cans complete with tennis balls, taped it to the barrel and just shot through them, using the rubber balls as baffles.

You'd get funny looks at a gun range doing that, but it's cheap and it sort of does its job.

Wild times.

>>111230938
A lot can be cleaned and they will last for thousands of rounds

>>111229500
No, I bought 2 yesterday. Just for gunfagging. Kind of like what makes a person buy expensive watches or vintage cars, or a million other niche/collector things. For me it's an expensive toy. Mostly it's about a gun project of mine that's something of a tribute to 80s and 90s SMG culture. A total vanity project. I'm personally not that concerned with the hearing protection side of things, although it is a legitimate concern.

Others have more practical concerns. For Hunting, especially pest control or urban game management supressors have obvious advantages. They also have some target shooting uses (beyond sound suppression). Their are also legitimate training /gun exposure arguments to be made as well. For me, and I suspect most people it's just fun and gearfagging.

As far as tactical uses, their are a few but it's pretty limited. I had occasion to become familiar with my cities SWAT team during some training exercises I took part in. They have machine guns, smgs, sniper rifles, armord vehicals, and all kinds of advanced technology but they don't bother with supressors. Supressors use is pretty limited in the military too, save for snipers and sf types.

As you said your self (I think) the vast majority of murders are impulsive irrational acts. And while Hollywood likes to portray cloak and dagger assassins with whisper quiet guns, the reality of hired murder and international intrigue, a few notable examples aside, is much less exciting. In short, just don't see a threat to public safety.

But yes, I would agree with the statement that if some bad ass, we'll funded assassin (if that's real) wanted one the law would be irrelevant

>>111234114
>For Hunting, especially pest control or urban game management
I think that's the only legal purpose for them here in the land of a million regulations. Shooting rabbits in inner cities.

>buy subsonic ammo
>get suppressor on pistol
>become hitman

There's a reason why they are banned and why they should stay banned.

>>111233363
For those of you silly enough to try it out, it was a bit more complicated. They cut the Tennis balls in half and glued them back into the can tube with the round side facing outwars, using the kind of insulation foam you use around windows. They also drilled holes into the halves so that the projectiles would pass through more easily.

Eventually, all of them got caught and those that didn't commit suicide in prison talked, so we know a lot about how they did things.

>>111234569
Depends on your state.

>>111230938
>make your own
People do this. The registration process and legalities are the same. Register, pay the ridiculous tax, wait 6mo to a year, then when you are approved you can build it. Subsequent possession and transfer is subject to all the same rules.

You can make a really simple supressor for cheap. Just a tube and some baffles. He'll, you can buy all the parts on amazon. Most people don't bother with a crude legal build though, since the registration process is so expensive and time consuming. Generally one does not skimp on the supressor when you have to jump through so many hoops. This makes them much more expensive than they need to be. Another reason to deregulate.

>>111232369

>seems to me you've replaced your baffles.
>uh.. not really
>on the contrary, you say you go to the range quite often, through a year i'd say you replaced about 50 baffles.
>aw c'mon man you're not gonna
>did you register your 50 baffles, SIR?

fucking kek

>supresors are must have because guns are loud

>what is ear protection

I have nothing against guns and gun culture but supressors for civilian use is literally useless and yeah 1% of tiny neckbeard minority who can't even 1/2/3/4 for reps but think they are alphas cuz they bought all new flashy guns will benefit for.

Other 99% will be gangs of niggers, spics shooting each other and there will be not enough loud to alert the authorities.

>inb4 he thinks silencer works like in videogame

Go fuck yourself, muh shooting indoors, who the fuck shoots indoors? You wake up from a bed and fire a few rounds from your window?

Only place you shoot indoors is gun range or if you are part of some autistic wanna be squat gun club who googles swat breaching tactics and mimics that irl.