Where are the moderates?

>>108239863
>universal background checks when firearms are purchased
>"I'm a classical conservative"
No you aren't. Saged.

>>108239863
the only thing in the middle of the road is yellow lines and dead possum.

>>108240243
You don't understand what classical conservatism is.

Most modern "conservatives" are closer to libertarians and a classical Liberals.

Classical conservatism is, in American politics, closest to the federalist party. So James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams.

They believe in using state power to ensure national stability and responsible government that either doesn't change or changes very slowly in order to avoid situations like the one we are in now.

/pol/ speaks of the political pendulum often. The goal of the classical conservative is to dampen or stop that pendulum and govern with sense and long term practicality.

This is not the place to post this, m8

>>108239863
We dont live in a time of moderation

>>108239863
Moderates are ostracized for not being Right enough for the Republicans and not being Left enough for the Democrats.

You fit into those two parties or you don't participate in government.

>>108242348
I think we actually do but the forces that are the loudest are the ones that are most extreme. It's not as if a moderate is likely to be outspoken.

>>108242651
It shouldn't be that way. A party focused on centrism could clean up right now.

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>>108243772
>A party focused on centrism could clean up right now
It would never catch on, they'd make sure of that.

Personally I want a far right party to have more influence, like the Constitution Party, but we all know that will never happen either.
The two party tyranny can't be disrupted, though Trump is trying.

>>108244230
>they

Napoleon once said "Never attribute malice to something easily explained by incompetence".

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. The world is chaos and conspiracy theorists find immense comfort in the idea that everything is actually controlled. It gives them a feeling that something is at the root of their problems rather than the truth that bad things happen and rarely for good reason.

>>108239863
good luck getting any of this with a shrinking white population

>>108245140
Stability is good for all citizens regardless of skin color or religious identity. Everyone benefits from a society not constantly worried about collapse.

>64% think immigration to the US strengthens US society
No it doesn't. Maybe that might be true if we were importing people from different cultures all over the world. Unfortunately in 2017 immigrant just means some faggot muslim who wants to take advantage of gibs, rape and murder, and to instill shariah law.

>>108239863
Hillary and Trump were both moderates. What you're describing isn't a moderate, you're calling someone who agrees with your cherry picked opinions a responsible moderate.

Your post could be summed up as:
>Why don't more politicians do these popular things I like?
>It seems absolutely preposterous they aren't doing what I want!

>>108240243
I don't think you know what you're talking about

>>108245593
These are statistics of American public opinion.

Perhaps you disagree with the mainstream. This is not a thread to argue about immigration in though, so I'm not going to engage with you on that issue.

>>108245463
No. A society at peace becomes soft and starts cannibalizing itself. If it survives it wI'll platue and never again have cultural advancement.

Conflict breeds success.

Good news comrade, Trump is a moderate.

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Trump is such a meme

>>108245463
multiracial societies are more unstable than homogeneous ones

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract;jsessionid=C84D6B27A2B911B1E90F9C9C5C090DB9.f03t03?systemMessage=WOL+Usage+report+download+page+will+be+unavailable+on+Friday+27th+January+2017+at+23%3A00+GMT%2F+18%3A00+EST%2F+07%3A00+SGT+%28Saturday+28th+Jan+for+SGT%29++for+up+to+2+hours+due+to+essential+server+maintenance.+Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.

>>108239863
the moderates are being moderate and not needlessly identifying with a political party

as an American moderate, I didn't support either candidate this election whilst wanting Trump to win. Hillary would be disastrous for long term US foreign policy and global affairs.

>>108239863
You cannot be a classical conservative in a non white nation. You need something more forceful.

>>108239863
>shall not be infringed
Get the fuck out. Gun rights are going to be great again.

>>108245944
>Hillary and Trump were both moderates.
I could see the argument for Hillary as a moderate even though her campaign barley touched on any actually popular issues.

Trump however is definitely not a moderate and you would have to be extremely out of center to see him as such.

>>108245463
A society with massive demographic changes = society constantly worried about collapse.

>>108246027
I would say that I agree with most of the other points that you posted, but when you try to slip in some open borders bullshit, it reeks of globalist shilling. And believe me, unlike the rest of /pol/, the last thing I want is the US to go full 1933, but if that's what it takes to fight the global caliphate, then so be it.

>>108239863
There are no moderates. The left has claimed ownership of the middle ground and anyone that isn't on their side is a racist xenophobic misogynistic etc etc etc. With that kind of rhetoric they literally drive the entire discussion and all hope of appealing to "moderates" into the fucking ground.

Republicans can assume people who voted for Clinton are generally stupid/easily manipulated and/or don't care much about corruption in government. Democrats can assume people who voted for Trump are terrible human beings who are racist against brown people and hate women, etc.

What middle ground is left?

>>108246057
You speak as someone that has never been in any real war.

You do not know what war on your own soil brings or the hardship that is felt. America has not had a war on its own soil since the civil war and because of this has grown not to fear war but war is hell and if you think otherwise it is because you fundamentally do not understand the costs of war.

There are benefits of course but they are far outweighed by the costs.

>>108241509
There is no sense in gun control.

>>108239863
>I hate populists like Trump
>Here's a bunch of popular political moves that someone should endorse because of how popular they are

>>108246439
You're a leftist, and you listen to leftist media. Leftist media portrays Trump in extreme ways. He's always said something extreme then reeled back to a moderate position. Enforcing existing border laws isn't far right. Vetting refugees isn't far right. Taxing incoming goods at least the same as we tax goods made here isn't far right. These are all moderate positions.

>>108244892
Conspiracy theorists believe their enemies are profoundly competent, otherwise they couldnt do the secret things they do

>>108246294
The United States has been multiracial since its inception and grew to be the most powerful nation on earth so I find your argument very unmoving.

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>>108241509
>turning your country into Brazil is sense and long term practicality

>>108239863
the era of the neocon cuckold is over, get with the times or fuck off

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>>108244892
Well by "they" I meant the major parties, not anyone in control really, the GOP and DNC hold a mutual agreement basically, sure they hate eachother, but they hate anyone else more.

The fractured state of the American Far-Right (pic related) is pretty much because of the GOP, they have sabotaged anyone else to gain a monopoly on "right wing politics" using divide and conquer tactics on any party that even slightly differs (think how Ted Cruz accuses Donald of not being a real republican, and tried to delegitimatize him because he was from New York)

>>108246439

Trump is literally a moderate. Prove me wrong
>Inb4 "cutting taxes isn't moderate! ;_;"

>>108239863
>wants more gun control
Time to fuck off commie.

>>108246373
You are out of the mainstream and thus not a moderate.

You should be happy, your polarized special interest candidate beat the other one. The question is, why do you seem so upset?

>>108246935
You are right. We haven't had war here and look at what has happened. Men are no longer men. Women pretend to be men. Criminals try and become president and blame the people when they lose.

I guarantee if the Nazis had landed boots on American soil we would not be as degenerate as we are today.

We need war. The people need to suffer so they know both sides of the spectrum. Without the negative you can never truly appreciate the positive.

>>108247687
We need to fuck China.

>>108247264
>Multiracial since its founding

Those were slaves. We didn't let them or women vote for a reason. We're live in the hellscape that results from an unvirtuous electorate I.e. one that includes anything other than white males

>>108247264
This country was 80% plus white for its entire history until 50 years ago, with only the blacks as a single 14% "visible minority"

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mostly everyone on here just hates the left, and rightfully so.

there isn't a politically ideology that's followed for the most part. it's memes and not giving a fuck.

fuck leftists.

i voted trump

>>108247264
>The United States has been multiracial since its inception
The US historically has been overwhelming white with a small slave population. Kys.

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>>108239863
>muh moderates
You fags never get anything done. To fight the left (which are almost always radical) you must meet them with a movement even more radical than they are.

Moderates also ruined our government.

>>108246559
I didn't argue for open borders but I believe the current levels of legal immigration are healthy and sustainable. In fact I would argue for an increase in legal immigration for skilled positions that would allow greater numbers of wealthy and educated immigrants to come to the US from Asia and elsewhere.

I'm not opposed to border security but I do think the idea of "building a wall" is far too simplistic and in general just a costly publicity stunt.

>>108239863
Maybe. USA is heading for a crash. It's going to lose it's world reserve currency status now that it's getting more unpredictable and doesn't want to be the world police / leader of the free world.

This is going to be a worse economic disaster than 2008. People have been talking about this happning since forever as USA started cucking the world after WW2. It made sense back then but now everyone is getting antsy.

I don't think anyone expected a stooge such as trump would be elected during these volatile times which kind of makes it obvious that if it's been about to crash it'd do so now that you have a president nobody knows what he wants and he promises to take "america first" and focus inwards.

>>108239863
>pays lip service to some basic Conservative ideas but ignore most.

like what

>>108247067
I am definitely not a leftist. Identity politics is a constant drain on the political discourse and steers discussion far too often away from accomplishable or even desirable goals.

>>108247872
China, Europe, Russia, Ancient Kangz. Anyone. We just need an enemy that will hit us in the mouth and not stop until we see red and really fight back.

We need the perspective that only someone that has suffered and never want to suffer again can achieve.

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>>108239863
Personally I'm a Radical Moderate.

The only answer to all of this country's problems is ABSOLUTE MODERATION

>>108239863
t. neocon

>>108247687
are you being ironic you fucking retard? do you have any idea how fucking terrible war is? do you really believe this sensationalist shit thats all over pol and the media all day about this shit? the vast majority of this country goes about their lives and goes to work and comes home with their family

jesus fucking christ you gullible shithead

>>108247455
Many of the key issues in the OP that Americans are close to unanimous about are directly opposed by him and the Republican Party.

That's not moderate.

>>108248622
You value identifying as a centrist but hold leftist opinions so you're trying to make being a leftist sound like being a centrist.

>>108247264
I'd not call slaves a proper part of a country.
Curiously, from 1910 to 2010 amount of blacks increased by four times, from 8kk to 39kk, while amount of non-hispanic whites increased from 81kk to 196kk, which is roughly 2.4 times. Consider the fact that growth is exponential dependent on starting numbers, it indicates that blacks breed even more rapidly.

>>108247687
We have had the longest peace time in world history and it has ushered in incredible new technologies, increased the world standards of living, and risen billions in the world from poverty.

All of your posturing about degeneracy is simply not something that appeals to the vast majority of people and the way they see the world.

War, again, is far worse than you can imagine. You really do not know what you are talking about.

>>108247917
Italians, Irish, and slavs were all not considered white for decades. Looking back you likely now consider them white when you come up with your 80% number.

People assimilate when they move to a country but it takes a few generations. Patience is key.

>>108248922
No you just don't see it. And because you don't see it, it must not exist.

Most of America is stagnant. That is why we always vote for change candidates. We as a country are always waiting for life to get better but are to moderate to actually come out and say something until setting drastic happens to us.

It's not sensationalism if it is true. Our stagnation is killing our culture and we won't survive it much longer.

>>108239863
Fuck off prick. You've had cuckservatism for years. stop pretending you need a blander more valueless conservative to support. It's time for RIGHT WING EXTREMISM.

>>108248975
You are clearly a member of the far right and see any moderate opinions correctly to the left of your positions but they are in fact, as evidenced by the statistics in OP, mainstream.

>>108239863
Because we've had fucking moderates running out countries for decades. Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same moderate coin and only work to protect their own interests. I've grown to hate moderates as much as liberals. I'm sure you would've loved that pussy Kasich to have won the nomination.

>>108250053
>People assimilate when they move to a country but it takes a few generations. Patience is key.
When you look at the African-american it seems pretty evident that's not true for all the races.
Your own argument also beg the question "Is it worth it"? Why suffering for 30+ years to solve a problem you could have avoided in the first place?

>>108250263
Cultures cannot be killed but they do change over time.

>>108249578
This long peace has lead to the destruction of the white race. Europe is inviting shitskins in to ravage their country. Whites will become a minority in America. Socialism run amuck.

Peace is only good for niggers and shitskins because they aren't good at it.

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>>108250751
It is much more difficult for African Americans to assimilate because the darker skin is a defining easy visual marker that they are another race.

If you look at Latinos however, Marco Rubio for instance looks very white. He could change his name to Dave Johnson and no one would question it.

Blacks in the US may someday assimilate but it will take much longer because their skin color makes it so easy to see that they are black and apply preconceived notions about being black onto them.

>>108249578
>All of your posturing about degeneracy is simply not something that appeals to the vast majority of people and the way they see the world.

Dead wrong. It doesn't appeal to you because you're still grounded in the fairy tail of yesteryear and it's bedrock of normality. But Generation Z, growing up without, is the most socially conservative since WWII. The degeneracy is real.

>>108239863
>70% of people dislike the existence of super PACs.
>83% think corporations are not people and sould not be allowed the same rights as people.
>81% disapprove of the US Congress
>75% want term limits for national congressmen.
>57% say middle income bears too much of tax burden
As they should.

>81% approve of universal background checks when firearms are purchased.
They should read the Constitution.
>79% want the ACA replaced with a Medicare style national program to cover all Americans
idiots who don't understand budgets or economics
>64% think immigration to the US strengthens US society
Somewhat fair, but most don't realize the decreasing need for immigration as the country's manufacturing goes towards automation.
>60% think current illegals should be allowed to stay but required to apply for citizenship.
Sure, give citizenship to the people who are breaking the law by their very presence. Fuck them, go back and apply for a visa the right way.
>61% Say people making over $250,000 pay too little in tax.
Selfish morons who don't realize the rich are paying the large majority of taxes in this country. 20% of the country has no wealth at all, and others are poverty level and pay no income tax. Get them working before you start taxing the rich up the ass. Also, cut the fucking entitlements.

>>108250909
Cultures can most definitely die. When was the last time you heard about someone warshiping Perun or one of the other millions of forgotten gods? Those cultures are dead because they are no longer and influence on society.

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>>108251466
And yet Indians with skin as dark or darker than a lot of 'black' people do just fine

>>108241509
>The goal of the classical conservative is to dampen or stop that pendulum and govern with sense and long term practicality.
Then you strongly oppose immigration from non-white countries, right?

>>108251240
As I have said before and will continue to repeat, you don't know anything of war or it's affect on the communities in which a war takes place.

You might be helped by watching a war movie not about the soldiers but instead about the people living in an area that is at war.

Here are some recommendations:
Shame by Ingmar Bergman
Come and See by Elem Klimov

Or maybe you'd prefer literature. If so, read the chapter in the book V by Thomas Pynchon titled "the Confessions of Fausto Majistral."

>>108251466
Niggers don't assimilate because they are genetically and culturally lazy. They would rather get welfare than a minimal wage job. They would rather sell drugs and not pay taxes that get a job at best buy and sell tv's. A majority of the niggers that ever do good are usually mixed. It dulls their savage genes and gives them a parent that might actually act like a human and raise them well.

>>108239863
>doesn't want his party to move toward nationalism
What a fucking faggot. Shove your "refugees welcome" sign up your ass.

>>108251946
The only Indians we get in the US are already rich because only the rich Indians have the money necessary for travel to the US.

trump says one thing to appease midwesterners, but does another thing when real decisions are made.

It's all because the rust belt is full of retards.

>>108252621
>rich, dark-skinned Indians assimilate well
Maybe you should double check your premise if you accept that fact.

>>108252440
>Niggers don't assimilate because they are genetically and culturally lazy.
There are many hard working and successful black people in the United States.

This is a false generalization as I'm sure you're aware.

>>108239863
agreed, the division between right and left along the lines of guns, healthcare, taxes, and illegal immigrants always seemed contrived to me. politicians don't want to abolish corporate personhood or super PACs because they benefit directly.

>>108240243
>>108240597
>>108241836
>>108242348
>>108242651
people who are politically extreme or blame "the times" are not good in excess.

>>108245944
>>108246439
the whole thing was extremely embarrassing. people buy into the persona and not the policies, either their evil grandmother or a man spewing bigoted nonsense in their grandmother's voice.

>>108246694
you must be fairly extreme to believe that. most real, working people who actually keep the lights on in this country don't care about political correctness. in fact, the majority of people didn't want either candidate.

everything else you mentioned is twitter talk, gender studies baristas vs. NEETs

>>108239863

Sounds like you want a populist.

>>108251466
Blacks are fundamentally different than every other race on a biological and neurological level. They hit developmental mile stones at a faster reach, they walk sooner, grow teeth sooner and hit sexual maturity sooner and stop developing neurologically sooner. We also know from animal models that higher levels of melanin causes animals to be more aggressive, this is true in mice dogs foxes and every other animal studied. But you expect it to not be true for humans.

Every race of modern human on this planet has neanderthal dna, but not blacks. They are not modern humans.

I don't blame them for being what they are but it is a real disservice to put these semi feral animals in human society and expect them to act like humans.

I'm a humanitarian, I think it would be wrong to kill them all, it would also be wrong to send them back into the wilds of affrica but clearly something must be done. That is why I propose we offer long term government assistance to only those who get sterilized. They can live out there lives in peace and dignity and we will be done with the nigger problem in a generation or two.

>>108239863

The kikes are really pushing for a "moderate" like a Silicon Valley (((venture capitalist))) or mayor (((Bloomberg))) in 2020 to get White male coward cucks like you away from Trump

>>108252838
>what are statistics
The majority aren't unless you consider a median income of $35k "successful."

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>>108252425
I have seen war. I have lived it. It is one of the most freeing and sobering things you can experiance.

We are degenerate in this nation. We will fall unless we change. I'm can understand your reluctants to accept it but you need to.

>>108241509
>with sense and long term practicality.

Anybody who has to tell you they're doing it with sense and long term practicality isn't doing it with sense and long term practicality

>>108239863
>81% approve of universal background checks when firearms are purchased.

shall not be infringed

also

>POLLS

lol

>>108249578
>>108252425
War is a necessary evil to remove the vast sums of low IQ hordes that will economically, culturally, and genetically annihilate the West. War is literally a requirement now for humanity to survive.

>>108252950
>Blacks are fundamentally different than every other race on a biological and neurological level

>having high-tech racist arguments
>delineating a species based only on one environment-induced macroscopic feature

>>108239863

You're literally describing most democrats.

>>108253526
>anti-science moron makes a post because truth hurts his fee fees

>>108252838
Most of them are extremely mixed and usually have a white parent. Sure there are some outlayers but you cant base your worldview on a minority perspective.

>>108239863
Fuck you.

I'm going to do a line by line response since none of this surprises me:

>70% of people dislike the existence of super PACs.
And yet superPACs are currently the most effective tool for incumbents to get reelected. You honestly expect a bunch of elected officials to come to a 60% majority consensus that getting reelected is too easy?

>83% think corporations are not people and should not be allowed the same rights as people.

Okay... So what? 70% have not completed a 4 year degree. Democracy is mediocre at selecting politicians. It's fucking terrible at making policy. Personally, I think we should throw out every law and precedent and start the legal system over from scratch. Because: "technical debt"

>81% approve of universal background checks when firearms are purchased.

If you rephrase the question as opposed to a federal gun registry you'll get the complete opposite reaction. Americans consistently show that they don't want to change anything about their gun laws.

>81% disapprove of the US Congress
And every 4 years: approximately half of congress does a very good job of representing this disapproval through partisanship.

>79% want the ACA replaced with a Medicare style national program to cover all Americans

I'm one of them, but I also haven't crunched the numbers to figure out who to tax how much to pull this off. Probably >79% of the people who pay more than half of the taxes in this country are opposed to the scale of tax increases required to pay for such a program. That leaves budget cuts, and every year congress demonstrates that they can't find the political capital to cut spending.

>75% want term limits for national congressmen.
You honestly expect a bunch of elected officials to come to a 60% majority consensus that getting reelected is too easy?

>>108253046
Making assumptions about all people of a race based on stereotype of a race or even the statistical mean of a race is wrong.

Something missed in these statistics is the fact that black unemployment is significantly larger than. White unemployment. There are no jobs in the inner city even for people that want them and the idea of getting to a job halfway across the city consistently is difficult if you live (as many black people do) in areas with poor access to public transport.

There are larger economic and social factors at play that looking at one statistic will not tell you.

It's easy to vilify but difficult to engage.

>>108253526
>le race is just skin deep meme
Thousands of years evolving in different environments means genetic divergence that is significant.

>>108253830
>actually arguing for money corrupting politics (SuperPACs)
>actually arguing for corporate personhood

Holy shit. I thought we purged you idiots already.

>>108253085
Where did you see war? In the American military?

That's not real war. Unless you were a Vietnam vet, you haven't been in a real war even as a soldier.

A conflict that lasts 14 years and only has 2,386 combat casualties isn't a war.

>>108253890
>Making assumptions about all people of a race based on stereotype of a race or even the statistical mean of a race is wrong.
No it fucking isn't. Making an assumption about someone based on empirical data is completely reasonable and rational. You don't walk around in bad areas at night for example the same reason.
>wah you can't make assumptions about people!

>Something missed in these statistics is the fact that black unemployment is significantly larger than. White unemployment.
Yes dummy. That's why they are less successful. Don't buy into the meme that blacks are not responsible for their own situation. They live closer to the cities than tons of rural whites that make more than they do.

>>108253890
>There are larger economic and social factors at play that looking at one statistic will not tell you.
And yet the single greatest correlation to crime in a given area is race. Not socio-economics. Race.

Genetics are the primary reason blacks fail, and no amount of government money or white guilt will change that.

>>108253890
Niggers aren't even smart enough to move out of their dead end environment.

For thousands of years whites have moved to a place they can live well. Niggers? They just stay in the same place and starve unless someone takes care of them.

The reason they don't have jobs is because they don't want jobs. They want to stay right were they are.

BTFO KEK

>>108253387
War is a necessary evil, not for the reason you believe of course but in order to decide issues of political will.

I don't deny that some times war is necessary but I also believe that it should be avoided at most costs.

>>108239863
Well you have Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, who can potentially be competitive in future primary elections.

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>>108253890
>making assumptions based on statistics is wrong
Isn't that the entire point of statistics? Being able to draw conclusions and assumptions?

>>108254197
Nice goalpost shifting

>>108254498
And in this situation (the irreversible destruction of the West) it is necessary.

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>>108239863

I'm a moderate conservative private sector loving capitalist. Naturally I support MAGA and Trump.

>>108253638
Show me the statistics that tell you that "more successful blacks are mixed by proportion than there are in the general black population".

>>108253830
Healthcare isn't a right. Rights are what you can exercise through your own freedom. Free healthcare is a benefit that needs to be cut because people in this country should fend for themselves.

While you're at it, reduce the number of government programs to its absolute minimum level (removing ones which can be replaced by privatization and merging the ones with redundant purposes). This reduces overhead and makes it much easier to trim the fat of government spending.

>>108254197
I'm sorry, getting shot at and shooting back doesn't count as war? Why just because we are a lot better at killing them and need fewer people to do it? Are you going to tell the guy that got his leg blown of that he was just in a small conflict?

War is to take what your enemy has by force. I have been apart of that. Whatever you may have seen doesn't invalidate what I have seen.

Our society is fucked as it stands now. The only thing that will change it is a shock even greater than 911.

>>108254829
The Transracial Minnesota Adoption Study already showed this 50+ years ago.

White are significantly smarter than blacks, which half white/blacks being halfway in the middle.

>>108254655
It isn't goalpost shifting. You can read my prior comments. They are about the effect of war on communities in which they take place, not the soldiers.

>>108254693
That is your opinion.

>>108253618
>>108253942
all the variation in human DNA accounts for a small fraction of a percent of the human genome, like 0.1% small. there's enough variation to have categories like white, black, asian, indian, etc., but there's infinite gradation among these rough categories

none of it matters because the species only has its own tools to categorize itself. while fundamentally meaningless outside of human concerns, there's enough collective knowledge to know that correlating an ever-changing host of ills to a single superficial factor is junk science

>>108255112
And yet you provide no link.

>>108255283
Nope. That's a logical deduction based on the current situation. You've provided no better argument other than repeating 'war is bad hurr'

>op makes 2 posts
>leaves
every time

>>108239863
Trump ers are the moderates. You should hear what the truly right wants to do with Islam here.

Be glad we will protect all people... Except illegals. They must go back now and avoid all the trouble they will get if they try to hide and stay.

If they are caught they forfeit any future possibility of returning! Take your children with you. The party is fucking over!

>>108239863

Your country is 58% white and drilling everyday. whites are already a minority among children- the only thing required to complete the US's transformation into a semi-functional, 90 IQ, mestizo/mulatto/african/amerindian 2nd world country is time. The principles you're talking about have as much real-world relevance as saying you want to restore the throne of gondor. stop roleplaying and look at reality

>>108255223
To that I point out the effects of WW1 and WW2 on America, Russia, Japan, and China.

As long as you either win the war or have a successful populist takeover you will generally come out better. The only people that complain are women and the people that loose.

>64% think immigration to the US strengthens US society
Meanwhile: <60% of congressmen have the necessary support back home to support open borders or amnesty without getting thrown out of office. So this conflation between legal immigrants and "undocumented"/"illegal" immigrants surprises you how?

>60% think current illegals should be allowed to stay but required to apply for citizenship.
And Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Fortunately: California and other states with the lowest unemployment don't get to flood the market with unskilled labor when opiate addiction in red states is strongly inversely
correlated with workforce participation. Google "rat park" if you want to understand the significance from the perspective of governance.

>61% Say people making over $250,000 pay too little in tax.
What percent of those people make more than $250,000/year? Stop focusing on the tax brackets and start focusing on sales tax, capital gains, and the cap on social security taxes if you want to make a difference here.

BTW, I agree that the taxes should be increased on this demographic, as well as the people who make <$30,000/year (one of the largest tax bases)

>57% say middle income bears too much of tax burden
Once again, I agree. Donald Trump's election is partially a reflection of this fact. That doesn't mean this tax base will benefit from reduced taxes from his administration. It also shouldn't surprise you that the most profitable tax base would suffer the hardest under a system where political careers are made with money from the upper class, and votes from the lower class.

What I think would be an extremely healthy exercise for you would be to take these issues and draw a venn diagram that shows how the people who agree on one issue, disagree on a different issue you've listed until you have a <51% minority of Americans left that agree with everything you wrote.

Policy issues have already been gerrymandered by the two parties.

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>>108253526
>delineating a species based only on one environment-induced macroscopic feature

Now your just fucking lying.

Hitting developmental miles stones faster. The longer a childhood of an animal the more investment its parents put into it and the more culturally adapted it will be.

Having higher levels of Mellon leads to aggressiveness in animal models. I'm sure it does in human models too. Too bad they wont let me clone up a batch of niggers some modified with crisper to be albino and test my hypothesis.

Not having Neanderthal DNA. Neanderthals had larger brains than even whites. And whites have larger brains than niggers. Larger brains is correlated with higher intelligence.

You look at standardized test scores or just about any other measure of intelligence and niggers score far worse than any other group. This is not just due to internalized racism or what ever bullshit excuse you try to throw at the problem. They are simply less intelligent.

They have higher crime rates not just because of poverty. You put Asians in the same poverty conditions and in a generation they will be doctors. Niggers are fundamentally different than other races. They contribute little to modern society and are in fact a net drain on us as a civilization. We should cordon off Africa from the rest of the world as a nigger preserve and let them find for themselves in there native land. We should sterilize any nigger in the rest of the world not able to adapt to modern society. We need to advance as a civilization, soon we will be traveling to the stars and all this baggage given us by the fucking slave trading Jews from 300 years ago is holding us down.

>>108255306
>all the variation in human DNA accounts for a small fraction of a percent of the human genome, like 0.1% small.
Lewontin's Fallacy: the post. These dumbass arguments have been destroyed here hundreds of times for years. You have to be new.

>there's enough variation to have categories like white, black, asian, indian, etc., but there's infinite gradation among these rough categories
What point are you trying to make here, or is this just a Continuum fallacy?

>there's enough collective knowledge to know that correlating an ever-changing host of ills to a single superficial factor is junk science
Cool, because haplogroup signifiers don't do this, and never have.

Bottom line: Blacks (ie subSaharan African haplotypes) have MUCH lower intelligence on average than Western Euro groups, and this is primarily due to genetics, and accounts primarily for their failures in modern society.

>>108255386
>google is hard
Copy/paste it fucko. It's been common knowledge here for YEARS. You have to be new.

>>108255223
>you don't know anything about war x10
>"actually I've been to war"
>THAT WAR DOESN'T COUNT ONLY VIETNAM DOES
naw

Sure

>>108255306
>implying that 0.1% isn't significant.
Classic Lewontin's fallacy friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

Here's an example for you: the warrior gene.

The 2R variant of the MOAA gene has been found to correlate with violent crime.

>An association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found.[21][22][23]

Guess what the frequency of that gene is across race?
>while 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele.[23][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A#Warrior_gene

TL;DR: #AllGenesMatter

>>108255402
It is not a logical deduction. You don't understand what a logical deduction is.

This is personal assessment of a global political situation and a personal assessment of what the response to that situation should be. They are without any doubt your opinions and just opinions.

You can have an opinion but stop pretending that your opinions are reality, this is the key problem in modern politics.

>>108255555
I'm OP. I changed my IP so I could bump the thread before it died.

>>108254097
Get your eyes checked. Where did I argue FOR superPACs or corporate personhood?

I simply expressed that I'm not surprised by SuperPACs, and explained why a majority consensus on issues like Net Neutrality and corporate personhood isn't reflective of optimal policy. I don't like corporate personhood, but we have almost a century of law and precedent bases on it as a status quo. It would be highly disruptive to eliminate it.

I've also actually read both the majority and minority opinions from Citizens v. United. Have you?

>>108256047
>This is personal assessment of a global political situation
>You can have an opinion
No no, stupid. Nothing is actually subjective. You know that, right?

The West is objectively, provably the best society for humans to exist in in this universe. It is also irrefutably under threat due to the vast sums of third world invaders currently residing there. As such, war is a perfectly acceptable remedy, considering the alternative (the destruction of the greatest means for human prosperity) is far, far worse.

>>108256429
Mate this last part

>As such, war is a perfectly acceptable remedy, considering the alternative (the destruction of the greatest means for human prosperity) is far, far worse.
Is subjective. The keyword is "acceptable."

>>108256380
>I've also actually read both the majority and minority opinions from Citizens v. United. Have you?
Of course I have. It's one of the most cancerous elements in our society. The only thing worse was the 1965 immigration bill and the existence of the federal reserve.

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>>108253526
Blacks have many differences from whites. This difference is more than skin deep.

>>108239863
Because liberals have spiraled downward into that "with us or against us" atttide. If your not SJW-tier then your a traitor.
We're in this odd senario where Republicans are more liberal then then democrats.

>>108239863
neocons took over the middle. now we are left with the extreme left, or the extreme right, or the israel-first middle.

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>>108239863
I feel the same way about replacing Obama and Michelle with apes. Can't even tell the difference, many such cases.

>>108256631
>Is subjective.
No, stupid. Again, nothing is ACTUALLY subjective. I gave you a math equation. The irreversible destruction of the greatest means for human prosperity in this universe, vs. the death of some third world invaders and evil globalist puppets. The second outcome is OBJECTIVELY better than the first.

>>108239863
>party of moderates.

Either you want all White countries to become brown or you want White countries to be White.
'Moderate' just means you want the former.

>>108255650
The effect of WW2 on American was extremely positive because there was only one battle on American soil and that was at the very beginning of the war.

The effect on Russia was absolutely devastating and I do not even understand how you could argue otherwise. In the long term it may have benefited them from a strategic point of view but I'm absolutely certain that everyone living in Russia during the war years would rather not have lived through it.

Similar with Japan. Almost every singe city was firebombed leaving an entire generation shattered or deformed. The country was impoverished well into the 60s before the economic miracle.

China was in even worse position largely because they were a third world nation even prior to the war. War in China didn't stop with WW2, it continued with the Chinese Civil War and resulted in a devastating loss of life. China would only start to industrialize and increase its standards of living in the 80s and even today in most of China people are subsistence farmers.

I really do not think you understand very much about the effects of WW2.

>>108256913
It's only better for us white people and that is what a lot of these cucks hate. They believe we have some obligation to spread the wealth. We don't. If anything they should thank us for not having genocides them and used their land as we saw fit.

They have accepted universal suffer age into their ideology.

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>>108253890
Ah, the old "poverty causes crime" meme. Studies have shown that poverty is not a good predictor of crime, but that race is. Then again, you stated that statistics mean nothing to you.

If statistics over a group shows that group A commits more crime than group B on average, then the conclusion can be made that group A is more inclined to criminality than group B. I don't understand why you can't see this.

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>>108255306
You plug in raw DNA into a computer and tell it to make categories, it will do so along racial lines without any concept of race.

Yes race is multi factorial, and has a social component to it. But races do exist and you are a fool to deny that.

I know you are bait, and no amount of logic will get you to accept the truth but I'm not debating you for your sake, I do so for the other people in the thread. You really expect to come here, into the lions den and blue pill us? You cant 'moderate' inconvenient facts out of the thread here like on the places you are from. Here when there is a debit truth usually wins out and people take note and help it to shape there belief structures. All your presence here does is help reinforce and strengthen our resolve. So please, continue making your shitty weak ass attempts at blue pilling, it only makes us stronger.

>>108255865
I'm not going on some wild goose chase to prove your arguments for you.

I'd you care you'll post it to substantiate your claims. If not, what do I care?

>>108239863
>81% approve of universal background checks when firearms are purchased.
SHALL

>>108256429
>nothing is subjective.
This is even worse a statement than saying "everything is subjective".

You really need to go and learn the meanings of these words.

>>108257504
You have a very past oriented view of history. Do you think the people that enjoy the conforts of russia, Japan, or China wish their countries had dent gone through the hardships they have to make them as great as they are now?

A country is only as good as its future. Would you stop the surfing of the people in the past if it meant depriving their ancestors of the things they suffered for?

All of those countries came out better of for their suffering.

>>108256657
He says the day after the inauguration of a president that won the GOP primary because SuperPAC money kept non-viable candidates like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio in the running long enough to split the establishment vote, and empower populist candidates like DJT to secure a victory with a minority of Republicans supporting them.

If SuperPACs are cancerous because they shift elections between populist and moneyed interests: it seems they have the opposite impact most people claimed they would have.

Funny thing: when you allow wealthy people to throw away their money on any candidate they choose: it appears they are more divided than the American people on which candidate to support.

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>>108254829
>>108255112
>>108255386
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

>>108256913
No it doesn't. I don't disagree with your general premises, but you are obviously starting an ethical debate. That's not objective.

>>108255555
Why would you waste quints like that?

Are you a shiteatingcunt of an Aussie in disguise?

>>108239863
>I'm a classical conservaative that has seen the party move toward populist nationalism. I find it really upsetting to now have no party of moderates.
Because moderate cuckservatism is for losers like McMuffin and Rick Wilson?

>>108258254
I don't know what comforts you think Russia and China have. And Japan, I'll remind you, lost that war and lost all of its strategic goals.

Again, I really just don't think you know much about the way these things play out. Populations do not like war for good reason and actively trying to force our country into war is idiotic when you can't comprehend the costs associated with it.

Luckily for you, the position the US is in now means that war on US soil is extremely unlikely. This is due to the huge amount of power the US gained after the end of the cold war which was won without conventional conflict.

>>108250485
The fact that an opinion is mainstream does not make it centrist. It just means the opinion is popular. Using this appeal to popularity to try and suggest that such opinions are towards the end of the left side of the spectrum lends credence to the assumption that you are either a leftist trying to masquerade as a centrist, or you genuinely believe you're a centrist when in fact you hold leftist views and don't even realize it due to the massive shifting of the Overton window.

The best president is one that is easily predictable. Predictability allows everyone including markets, companies and people to adjust accordingly.

This is why people are protesting - nobody is sure if their specific rights will be stripped. I've been following this election heavily and I still have no idea what trump is going to do. I used his website but half of it is "renegotiating" and "making better" which doesn't mean anything because it's such a huge variance.

>>108258588
Yes, we get it: "Negros are subhuman"

Would you liberal cucks stop arguing with him on such low-brow topics so this thread doesn't fall off the front page?

If you're not bored by this topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence Read to your heart's content!

The reason not to discriminate along racial boundaries is because it promotes injustice and is disrespectful.

The people who consider the subject of "race" to be most significant are the ones who's ethnicity has done them the least benefit.

It is wrong for the smartest people of a poorly performing minority to be treated worse than the least intelligent people of a better performing minority regardless of merit. Probabilistic decision making is for the mentally lazy.

Also: asian supremacy isn't attractive to me as a WHITE MALE!!!1

>>108259513
All three are some of the richest countries in the world. All three are at little risk of being taken over militarily.

The all have high luxury consumption. The people there do not live shitty lives. Except maybe China but they just have to many people and that problem would have been worse without the war.

>>108260183
The world isn't fair or just. We shouldn't put up with a race that has 90% fuck ups just because 10% have their shit together.

The country would be a better place without niggers and just because it makes people uncomfortable doesn't mean we should stop pointing it out.

>>108258588
They key assumption of your statement
>Most [successful blacks] are extremely mixed and usually have a white parent.
Is that it is mixed children are overwhelmingly the successful and hard working blacks while normal blacks are not.

This is a study about IQ which is a measurement of natural ability and not work ethic or laziness. It makes Zero mention of the effect of being a mixed baby on your work ethic or financial success.

This study has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and is a perfect example of how /pol/ constantly uses studies as citations for arguments incorrectly.

>>108260118
>The best president is one that is easily predictable
Someone needs to read the Art of War

>>108244892
you're a retard if you think the two party system isn't a way for DC to control politics

>>108260183
People should be equal under law, but smarter people should not be required to carry the burdens of poorer/dumber people.

>Probabilistic decision making is for the mentally lazy.
But this is completely rational? Tell that to insurance companies.

>>108252895
damn you're a cuck

>>108260333
People in Russia have a much lower standard of living than during the Soviet era and the country's population and economy is shrinking.

China has huge consumption in about maybe 20% of its population. The difference in standard of living in Shanghai compared to a small village on central China is frankly astounding. They have seriously demographic issues caused by the one child policy and the economic disparity in their country will have to be dealt with sooner rather than later. The only thing that stops the Chinese government being overthrown by their people is constant 8%+ economic growth and if that slows even to less than 5% it would be a disaster for the state's popularity. They live extremely precariously.

>>108261234

Insurance companies have statisticians called "actuaries" who are significantly more effective at bayesian inference than your everyday racist.

If the unwashed masses are encouraged to apply the technique along the most obvious dimensions: you end up with systemic injustice.

It isn't surprising that the people who benefit the least from more nuanced approaches to decision making are the ones who are most vocal in their support of racist ideology: they have the most to gain.

I'm not saying don't be racist: I'm saying stop promoting the ideology. The only reason to be racist is to exploit it as a competitive advantage.

If you are actually one of the least competent of a preferred race, I can't discourage you for pimping the ideology to advance your own interests in light of your inability to thrive when evaluated along other criteria. That's simply working to advance your own self-interests, which is a natural right.

What I'm saying is: being openly racist makes it easy for me to say "This motherfucker is so openly incompetent, the only people he has to look down on is black people and hispanics."

I mean: thank you for making my life easy with such a nicely gift-wrapped heuristic I guess?

Does it make you uncomfortable knowing that the r^2 for low IQ and racism is much stronger than the r^2 for low IQ and melanin content of your skin?

Being on the pointy side of statistics isn't very nice or fun is it?

Fun fact: you're also more likely to be poor and uneducated than a negro

>>108239863
>classical conservaative
Is that another word for monarchist? What's classical conservative mean?

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>>108241509
>being a bootlicker

>>108263028
Here>>108241509

>>108262873
This post started out reasonable than then devolved into nonsense.

>Insurance companies have statisticians called "actuaries" who are significantly more effective at bayesian inference than your everyday racist.
Obviously, but the general trends are pretty obvious to see. If Jamal applies to a job and he has a criminal record, are you going to hire him? The discrepancies between the performance of different races is quite wide and hard to miss.

>you end up with systemic injustice
Total meme.

>I'm saying stop promoting the ideology.
I'm not promoting any ideology in particular. I'm just pushing back against the notion that people are inherently equal and deserve to be treated the same way (they don't).

After this, you stop making sense and make wild assumptions about me that you have no way of knowing or verifying.
>Fun fact: you're also more likely to be poor and uneducated than a negro
What?

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>>108262873
>Does it make you uncomfortable knowing that the r^2 for low IQ and racism is much stronger than the r^2 for low IQ and melanin content of your skin?

Cite your sources.

And what data-set are they using to measure the IQ of racists. No one irl knows I'm racist. The intelligent ones know that in the current social climate it is best to keep your power level hidden when not anon. I'll bet there are far more of us than anyone realizes.

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>>108260973
Do you not pay attention to IDs? I wasn't the original anon making the argument, I was the one doing your work for you and sourcing the Transracial Study. Also, the guy argued that whites are the smartest, mixed were in the middle and blacks were the least intelligent, which my info showed.

But, since you want to make the argument that IQ and future social success aren't correlated...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Social_correlations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#Content

>>108255306
every single eukaryote has a very small dna difference you dumbtard. small gene differences matter a ton

>>108239863
>>108241509
You're a cuckservative, not a classical conservative.

>>108263489
>I'm just pushing back against the notion that people are inherently equal and deserve to be treated the same way (they don't).

I think everyone should be treated the same way. If your stupid and violent you deserve to go to prison. If you cant afford to support yourself you should not procreate. I don't think these things should be written with race as a factor. Affirmative action is racist and should be abolished. If you cant get into university or find a job on your own personal merit regardless of race then you should not be attending. This is not systemic injustice, its quite the opposite actually. But leftists always like to flip meanings around when it suits them.

>>108244892
>Napoleon once said "Never attribute malice to something easily explained by incompetence".

Actually in practice what I've come to notice is that this saying is completely wrong. Perhaps Napoleon meant it only in regards to war.

Because I can very safely say that in every area outside of war, any time you have something that could be ascribed to malice - you'd be right on the dot if you had. People are incredibly petty and selfish and good things only seem to happen because of incompetence.

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>>108239863

>Faggot: The Post

>>108253526
I love watching liberals deny evolution

>>108239863
Youre just a typical cuckservative who is naive and stupid enough to believe in these phony, bogus ass statistics.

>>108241509

>So James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams

Lol Trump is literally closest ideologically to all of these people than any cuckservative in the GOP.

>>108253890
>Liberal ignores evidence and statistics because reality disagrees with his opinions

It's fucking hilarious. It was only ten years ago that liberals were saying "reality has a liberal bias"

And now they plug their ears, bury their heads in the sand, and ignore all the stats and evidence proving blacks are more violent, guns don't cause crime, and evolutionary theory is a biological reality

>>108264509
You can't just ignore that certain groups act far differently than any other. On an individual basis, sure treat people as individuals. But as groups? No.

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>>108247264

>United States has been multiracial since its inception

You're literally wrong. America was originally founded by white men, for white men.

This thread is too long. Why on Earth are you against right wing populism OP?

>>108239863
If you make an argument based upon left/right binary reasoning, then you've already exposed yourself as hopelessly ignorant.

Furthermore, most of the items on your list are supported by Trump and his followers.

Get educated, then return.

>>108265563
No. Not even close.

This post underscores how little you understand about the modern political system in the context of historical political positions.

>>108241509
>James Madison
>federalist party
Time to kys.

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>>108239863
>64% think immigration to the US strengthens US society
>60% think current illegals should be allowed to stay but required to apply for citizenship.
TOP KEK

>>108239863
Fucking cuck. Shouldn't yiu be answering the door? Tyrone is getting a little cold outside.

>>108243772
the US's winner-takes-all voting system makes it nearly impossible for a third party to gain a foothold

compare to some shit like Germany where a party that gets 15% of the national votes gets 15% of the seats in the legislature
in the US anything with less than 51% get exactly nothing

>>108252621
>The only Indians we get in the US are already rich because only the rich Indians have the money necessary for travel to the US.

Tell that to the 8 pajeets at my job working 12 hours a day @ $12.75/hr basically chained to their desks with H1B visas revocation hanging over their heads at all times.

>>108270069
Indians actually do have an absurdly high median income in the US. I think it's almost $100k. Of course, if you keep importing pajeets to be codemonkeys and shit, that'll change.

>>108239863
>81% approve of universal background checks when firearms are purchased.
Kill yourself please but not with a gun.