>grandpa is not good with computer

he's not wrong

>implying he's wrong

My dad got me big into computers when I was like 4, but around the time I turned 18 he told me how much he hated computers now and regretted getting me involved with them.

Pretty sure he was just disappointed in how I turned out :)

>he's a liberal nutcase who thinks computers have made lives easier

Computer's are racist.

not my grandpa

>>105346551
how did you turn out?

Go back to /pol/.
sage

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>>105346555
Let's just say he was hardly ever wrong

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>>105346552
You seem confused.

>>105346549
>>105346550

He's very wrong, and you must be politically-motivated morons to think otherwise.

Things weren't nearly as easy a couple decades ago as they are these days.

Even retards who can't properly click a mouse and have a very hard time performing simple tasks can quickly request an Uber anywhere or conveniently order a new blender online after they accidentally drop their blender cup and break it. I've seen my 70 yo grandma do it.

Not to mention how easy it is these days to access information. Even for trivial things like "where is Cordoba", a quick Wikipedia search can tell you all about it, or "how long will I have to wait for my bus", just SMS a number with your bus stop code and get estimates in the blink of an eye.

So no, Drumpf is very wrong, as per usual.

>>105346548
It's not the computer that has made man stupid, but the internet

If the internet were to never exist, computers would only exist in business and man would be much smarter.

Or remove all social media and entertainment from the internet and the world would be much more aware.

>>105346559
Forget politics, computers are getting overly complicated and are trying to do everything. You have web browsers that want to be an operating system and everything has to connect to the internet these days. Computing must return to back how it was in the 80s.

>>105346560
This, back in the 80s and 90s you had to know computers to use a computer. Now, any moron can connect to the internet and shit it up, computer knowledge needs to be mandatory to use a computer and the internet.

>>105346561
>computing must return to back how it was in the 80s
So slow, inaccessible, undemocratic, cryptic and alchemistic?

>>105346562
>STOP MAKING THINGS EASIER AND MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE!
Faggot.

>>105346559
He isn't wrong.

Computers have socially complicated our lives.
We don't know what the fuck is real and what's not considering the most irrelevant and niche shit is given more value through the megaphone of the Internet than it actually has in reality.

Socializing with other people in real life is harder. Creating relationships is harder.
Sexual relationships and sex itself have been twisted by porn and many complexes have arisen due to it.

Just to discuss how porn has complicated lives can have a whole book of debate on it.

So i'm sorry to say that you are very wrong.

By essence of complicating our mindsets, being overflown with information, meeting so many different people and so frequently on the Internet, and losing our capability of physical communication,
we have lost our capability to reduce the complex into simplicity and focus ourselves.

Your only argument in this discussion is how fast things are and how much access there is to information, yet these two characteristics in their own right only produce more confusion and more complexion, which is the topic at hand, you dumbo.

>>105346549
>>105346550

Didn't take the Donald apologists from /pol/ any time to arrive. Go back to your containment board.

>>105346564

Fuck off, you luddite.

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>>105346563
Making the internet accessible to everyone made it worse, having a skill requirement was when the internet was better.

>>105346565
There is nothing wrong with /pol/, just because someone disagrees with you it does not make them /pol/.

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yep, we should shut down the internet and go back using pigeons to communicate

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>>105346564

Newspapers have complicated our lives.

Let's go back to the stone age. Who /anprim/ here?

>>105346566
It's funny how you use the word luddite,
yet the greatest advancements in technology have been made precisely thanks to people who had a focus and didn't have their minds polluted by an overflow of useless information like the Internet provides.
If Einstein had the Internet, there is a chance he would have lost 5 years or 10 years, trying to find what the fuck he wants in his life and being distracted, rather than being the glorious man he was.

Your lack of self-awareness is what ironically makes you a luddite.

>>105346548

If you think this has anything to do with computers being difficult to work with YOU are the moron and I'm glad you are not the new presedent of the US)

>>105346567
>Making the internet accessible to everyone made it worse
That's codeword for "I wanted it to be exclusive for me, why is everybody else allowed to have fun too?"

>having a skill requirement was when the internet was better
That's codeword for "why are all these people who disagree with me allowed online?"

>there is nothing wrong with /pol/
That's codeword for "I am from /pol/."

>>105346570
>Einstein
>fucking idea-stealing kike
Thanks for showing your true colours.

>>105346570

so if we destroyed all technology geniuses will be free from distractions and will be able to recreate technology once again...

>>105346572
You sound like someone who would defend reddit or 9gag thinking there is nothing wrong with them.

>>105346575
You sound like you're butthurt that it's becoming obvious that your little hero is a technological illiterate.

>>105346576
>Defending trump means you think he's your hero
Turn down the projection, I'm going blind.

>>105346567
>There is nothing wrong with /pol/
Spoken like a true /pol/ user. Your hero is a tech illiterate orange, someday you'll have to accept that.

>>105346574
Nope. If we didn't treat technology like Christians treat their Bible or Muslims treat their Quran,
and accepted the fact that advancements in technology bring up new problems to resolve;
maybe we wouldn't be as stupid as the guy calling someone a luddite for affirming that technology has as many drawbacks as it has positives.

AKA, we should have a re-education program on using new technology rather than abandoning it otherwise we are going to become stupider from it like some people are becoming (losing their sense of objectivity and self-awareness due to an overly fanatical and obsessive defensive compulsion about technology).

>>105346578
I don't even go to /pol/ since it's been invaded by redditors and facebook using normalfags, I just like trump. /pol/ is good, but there are too many illegal immigrants there.

>>105346579

I agree buddy

>>105346567
>nothing wrong with /pol/
>a place that idolized adolph hitler
>denies the holocaust
>wants to re-segregate
>hates freedom of speech
>nothing wrong
>nothing
>wrong

>>105346572
haha epic :D

>>105346582
I see now you're just baiting me.

>>105346559
>Things weren't nearly as easy a couple decades ago as they are these days.
You are no longer able to write a bug-free software. There is a shitton of legacy code & compatibility requirements, there is a shitton of standards needed to keep a web browser functional. There are myriads of companies which do whatever they want.
And technology being accessible is one if the things which made it that bad.

https://medium.com/@luisobo/why-does-programming-suck-6b253ebfc607#

>So no, Drumpf is very wrong, as per usual.

Better go to /pol/ with that, it's /g/.

>>105346548
Did your shitty "le Drumpf xD" thread not take in /pol/ or something? Why must you shit up this board with irrelevant, off-topic garbage?

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>>105346564

4chan is a Russian psyops invested board nowadays. Sad.

>>105346584
You sound like a cuck that wont defend your own views

At least that first sentence isn't wrong. Go look at computer/telecom ads from the 80s and early 90s. The promise of computing was to make us more efficient and mobile for the sake of improving quality of life. We were supposed to do 8 hours of work in only 4 and pocket that time for the collective benefit. Instead it was decided that we should just do double the amount of work needed in order to pad the pockets of megacorp execs and shareholders. (Actually in truth "triple" is probably more accurate.) We labor-cucked ourselves.

That's just respect for the sentence, though. There's no way in hell he actually means any of that.

>>105346587
Are you saying that Russia needs a psyops for USA?
You are underestimating the skills of Americans to fuck themselves over by their own hands.

Russia didn't do anything in regards to the US elections, that the neutral 3rd party regulators who were supposed to supervise the integrity of both candidates wouldn't have done if they did their job.

Russia merely uncovered dirt on one of your candidates. If uncovering evil is by itself an act of evil, then your country is REALLY fucked.

I frankly think you should be thankful to Mother Russia for bringing out its bosom for an unruly foreign child to drink in its time of need.

>Trump says something that sounds stupid about computers
>people yet again feel morally superior to such a dumbass, circlejerk all around
>meanwhile significant part of his campaign was done online and done much better than Hillary's
>Trump uses Twitter and YouTube to communicate directly to the masses in a way no other politician has done before
Y-yeah, Trump is such a computer illiterate retard, h-heh.

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>>105346585
>You are no longer able to write a bug-free software.
lol wut?!?

Thanks to modern software engineering techniques and the revolution of managed code, bugs are becoming a thing of the past. Error handling has never been as effective. The last time I had to deal with a buffer overflow, I still had hair!

You've obviously not been programming for long...

>>105346558
>>105346553
Actually yes, image identification and other assisting software has trouble with blacks. Microsoft and others says it is the lack of contrast from detected shadows on darker skin tones and they're working to fix it. But we really know it is just racism pure and simple.

>>105346592
>If I have bugs then everyone else must have bugs
They probably haven't reached the chapter on handling errors yet.

>>105346594

I hate how /g/ is full of beginners spilling hot opinions on computer science as if they were so experienced and knowledgeable about it.

>>105346588
I know your baiting me because you're spouting out tumblr opinions. You say that you believe in free speech, but would like to restrict certain thoughts that are too offensive.

>>105346592
>lol wut?!?
Read the article nigger.

>>105346548
Well that's how he got fucking elected, isn't it?

>>105346591
>He uses twitter whiles claiming that it has complicated of lives.
>Uses Twitter.

It's retarded and you are retarded

>>105346599
>h-heh, normies and their social media

>>105346597

I have, it was written by a literal rookie who doesn't know two shits about software engineering. He doesn't know what a metric is.

He obviously lacks technique, it's apparent from his aversion to complexity. He doesn't know how to deal with complexity.

He unironically defends early optimization. He attacks abstraction layers and solution diversity - and the sad corollary of that is that he ends up defending a centralized, near anti-freedom and pro-collectivist view. No surprise this comes from an "free software" apologist. He wants a big scheme of things: centralized planning for the entire technological realm - no forks allowed, mind you.

Because in his tiny head, software development is error prone due to lack of a centralized authority handling it, NOT due to the lack of proper technique. He doesn't know there is a proper, proactive way to deal with software defects.

Long story short: that article was written by a near amateur who THINKS he's experienced.

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>>105346579
Anon speaks truth, OP is faggot

>English sentences
That shit was hard to read. He's dumb regardless.

>>105346548
Trump said it like a retard (as usual,) but he's not completely wrong. Modern general purpose computers are difficult to trust because they are very complicated. You have to be careful when using a general purpose computer to access confidential information. If you're a politician or in government, you have to deal with the real possibility that people are cooking up 0-day exploits specifically for you, just to steal your data, and those exploits could be in any program on your computer that accesses the internet. It's even worse if you're using a desktop operating system, where most programs run at the same privilege-level and don't use sandboxing. An attacker only has to break one program to own the computer. You also have to trust every piece of software you use, their auto-updaters, their vendors and all their developers.

People who are using those statements to make fun of Trump for not understanding computers are missing the point. He is stupid and he doesn't understand computers, but his assessment of computer security is not completely inaccurate. The only thing wrong with it is his helpless attitude to fixing it. There are ways to protect yourself when using computers, and there are definitely improvements to be made in computer security. To suggest otherwise is dangerous. Also, I don't think the analog alternatives he is suggesting (couriers carrying plaintext messages) are better.

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>>105346579
You got something there right.

>>105346548
But that's true, the web is a fucking dump.

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>>105346592

>>105346563
>alchemistic
sounds dope

Fuck u mod

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oh shit
hello /g/?

>>105346888
Once it's on /pol/ the thread's dead.

>>105346548
Please don't tell this got moved from /g/ just because its Trump. This site is dying.

Drumpf is an idiot.

>>105347041
True.

Hello /g/

>>105346888
Hi /pol/. (Thanks mods.)

>>105347062
;^]

>>105347041
>>105347062
>>105347212
all me

>>105347041
>>105347062
>>105347212

Lol i didn't notice that we are on /pol/ now.

Fuck u mods.

>>105346604
Well don't politicians have a CAC like military personnel to access a defense network? Why would they deal with confidential information through their home computers? I'm not an expert so excuse me if I'm wrong.

>>105346582
Wow, what a cuck.

Faggot /g/ mods should keep their hands off /pol/.

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>>105346559
>Unironically still saying "Drumpf"

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>>105346548
He is right. And you know it.

>>105347037
>site was ever alive

What the fuck is going on with the flags in this thread?!?!

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>>105347041
>>105347062
>>105347303
get your shit together shill

>>105347303
Patetic kill yourself

>>105347521
> how to prove you've been browsing 4chan for less than a year: the post

>>105347415
>unironically still posting on /pol/

>>105346548
I'm so glad we electerd him
I'm going to be laughing for the next 4 years

>>105346548

he's right and you know it.

prove to me right now that it is impossible to break into a computer and leave no footprints (that we can't currently detect)

try to get a bunch of older retarded monkeys to use complicated secure communications.

Podesta and his IT person fell for a fucking phishing email

>>105347523
>>105347575
>waaaaaaaaaaah

Fuck off, drumpfkins.

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>>105347595
what?
Ive been here since 2012 and what is this?

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>>105346558
>apple caters to this guys desires
>makes them to expensive for him to afford
you cant always get what you want

>>105346548
AYY LMAO

>>105346548
except he is objectively correct

https://archive.org/details/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto

>>105346558
Is that the guy who later went to jail for robbery or something?

>>105346548
he's not the one that fell for a phishing scam mail

>>105346582
>re-segregate

i.e., freedom of association

>>105347687
It was moved from /g/

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>>105346548
RARE
A
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>>105347687
In FOUR years you've never seen a single thread get moved from a board to another

>>105347884
never noticed i guess, why the fuck do you care so much frog?

Get ready for future ads beamed
>>105347884
In 4 years he browsed this site 4 times.

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>>105347521
>>105347723
>>105347879

>>105347944
I care because you're mom sucks my penis every night, ugly bogan son of a bitch

>>105347884
/pol/ hasn't had flags for four years.

>>105348008
I dont think thats my mum Pierre, but under those burqas you wine sipping snailniggers wear who could tell?

>>105347318
I'm probably not up to date with this issue, but I assumed he was referring to the allegations that Russians leaked Hillary's emails, so they were attacking a private computer. Though, even if the software running on the computer is restricted, there have been 0-days resulting in privilege escalation and remote code execution in current versions of all major operating systems and all major web browsers. If you have reason to believe that state-sponsored attackers want your data and you use a computer that is connected to the internet, you should be concerned.

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>>105346548
Idk he has Twitter pretty well figured out

>>105346563
>computing must return to back how it was in the 80s
If this is all you took from his post, you are completely retarded.

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>>105346548
>All those unknown flags

>>105346548

>top Democrat officials regularly get taken in by GRU phishing emails

apparently computer very hard

>>105348073
> I write 4chan
> this ugly chink reads "/pol/"

Wanna know how I know you suck dick for a living?

>>105346548
>More open access to media is a bad thing
Yeah Trump is right I miss the days where the only sources of information were tv and radios with the only channels being state run. Good ol' days

>>105348789
You are an incredibly angry and hyperactive poster.

>>105348789
Not everyone posts on multiple boards. Shit, maybe the guy just stayed on some non-flag board for a few years and came to /pol/ recently. Who the fuck cares anyway.

I also realized I made a critical error in my initial post, but since you didn't call me out on it I'm assuming you're fairly new to /pol/ yourself.

>>105349098
> hur durr what is /new/ and why did Moot tamper with it until finally giving up and giving feds access to the board effectively turning it into a datamining honeypot for internet racists to gather
> but i've been here longer than u remember no flags!!!!

>>105346564
>implying anybody knew WTF was going on before computers.
There's your problem right there.

Case in point. 1990, Hussein had invaded Kuwait. President Bush asked Congress for a declaration of war. Congress heard testimony from a little girl who claim to witness Iraqi soldiers taking all the incubators from a hospital in Kuwait city, leaving all the preemie babies on the floor. The incubators were then shipped to Iraq.
Years later, AFTER the war.... we find out she was the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat. She lived in NYC at the time of the attack. There was no way she could have seen what she witnessed. It was all faked.
That woman still lives today. She's married, lives in Kuwait, and her family refuses to grant access. She's basically a shut in now - not even allowed out of her own home.

The point is, nobody really knew the truth until it was too late. (we would have invaded anyway - and her false testimony was completely unnecessary)

Over and over again, we are manipulated and our emotions played. We keep falling for the same tricks over and over. Computers have not helped or harmed this situation in any way. Lies move faster, truth is also uncovered faster. One more stalemate.

>>105349670
>remember no flags!!!!
And there you go again. Just let it go man, you're embarrassing yourself. Like I said
>>105349098
>Who the fuck cares anyway.

>>105346579
>we should have a re-education program on using new technology rather than abandoning it otherwise we are going to become stupider from it like some people are becoming (losing their sense of objectivity and self-awareness due to an overly fanatical and obsessive defensive compulsion about technology)
No, you should just eat shit and die instead of pretending to deal with bogus problems, dumb humanities' cunt.

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>That ass blasted Frenchman in this thread

>>105349961
You literally didn't address ANY of his arguments.

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>>105347041
>>105347062
>>105347303
>the albo ctr shill is still here
Go away, Tonibler.

>>105346559
>Drumpf
Liberal memes are so fucking stupid

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>>105346585
>https://medium.com/@luisobo/why-does-programming-suck-6b253ebfc607#
> get to the 2nd paragraph
>"There is an obvious lack of diversity in our industry. The fact that software is taking over the world makes this claim extra concerning."

Aaaaand close tab

>>105346607
What he said is true though. Read Introduction to the Team Software Process, by Watts Humphrey.

>>105347041
>>105347062
shill, your game is getting weak

>>105346608
>being forced to contrive weird command-line concoctions in order to get the computer to do what you want isn't alchemistic