Hello,
I'd like to request for help in light balancing. I build my own Light chamber to shoot shoes.
Here is a picture of the built.
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Camera-Specific Properties: Equipment Make SONY Camera Model NEX-5 Camera Software GIMP 2.9.4 Maximum Lens Aperture f/3.5 Focal Length (35mm Equiv) 27 mm Image-Specific Properties: Image Orientation Top, Left-Hand Horizontal Resolution 350 dpi Vertical Resolution 350 dpi Image Created 2017:09:05 23:18:13 Exposure Time 1/60 sec F-Number f/3.5 Exposure Program Normal Program ISO Speed Rating 1600 Brightness -0.8 EV Exposure Bias 0 EV Metering Mode Pattern Light Source Unknown Flash Flash, Compulsory, Red-Eye Reduce Focal Length 18.00 mm Color Space Information sRGB Image Width 4592 Image Height 3056 Rendering Normal Exposure Mode Auto White Balance Auto Scene Capture Type Standard Contrast Normal Saturation Normal Sharpness Normal
Another picture, to let you feel its size.
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Camera-Specific Properties: Equipment Make SONY Camera Model NEX-5 Camera Software GIMP 2.9.4 Maximum Lens Aperture f/3.5 Focal Length (35mm Equiv) 27 mm Image-Specific Properties: Image Orientation Top, Left-Hand Horizontal Resolution 350 dpi Vertical Resolution 350 dpi Image Created 2017:09:05 23:20:40 Exposure Time 1/30 sec F-Number f/3.5 Exposure Program Normal Program ISO Speed Rating 500 Brightness 1 EV Exposure Bias 0 EV Metering Mode Pattern Light Source Unknown Flash No Flash, Compulsory Focal Length 18.00 mm Color Space Information sRGB Image Width 4592 Image Height 3056 Rendering Normal Exposure Mode Auto White Balance Auto Scene Capture Type Standard Contrast Normal Saturation Normal Sharpness Normal
The setup in action:
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My problem is:
from shoot to shoot it seems to vary in terms of light. Here is an example of shoot made:
The white is kinda grey and I got some noise in the brown color.
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Camera-Specific Properties: Equipment Make SONY Camera Model NEX-5 Camera Software darktable 2.2.4 Maximum Lens Aperture f/5.0 Focal Length (35mm Equiv) 70 mm Image-Specific Properties: Image Orientation Top, Left-Hand Image Created 2017:09:05 23:10:41 Exposure Time 1/125 sec F-Number f/14.0 Exposure Program Manual ISO Speed Rating 800 Brightness 4.8 EV Exposure Bias 0 EV Metering Mode Pattern Light Source Unknown Flash No Flash, Compulsory Focal Length 47.00 mm Color Space Information sRGB Image Width 3229 Image Height 2152 Rendering Normal Exposure Mode Manual White Balance Auto Scene Capture Type Standard Contrast Normal Saturation Normal Sharpness Normal
And another shoot in the same day, with the same setup.
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And here is a screenshot of my Darktable browsing screen. You can clearly see there is difference in white from pictures to pictures.
You can also see my manual setup for Camera.
F/13.0 Aperture
1/125 Exposure
My question is, how can I smooth that difference to having the same white in the background at the time of shooting. Is is a problem of light ?
I currently have 3 LED strips Above, Left and Right, a Flash above the Camera.
Should I install a slave remote flash and some light diffuser behind the camera ?
thank you for your help.
Well primarily you have no frontal light source. You need to get some soft light (at the same temperature as your LEDs) coming from the front/above.
I literally use three desk lamps and a big softbox light tent.I invested in a huge roll of 200 gsm paper which I hang down the back and under the subject (gives a flat pure white finish).
You need to manually set your white balance to a cooler level - either in-camera or in RAW processing.
Then make your exposures longer and lower your ISO.
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Slow the shutter speed, 1/125 is too fast to pick up the level of ambient light.
Drop the ISO, slow the shutter, open the aperture
What specific kinds of light are you using? Looks like you're getting 4000k or so light out of that monstrosity of a light tent and around 5000k out of that shitty speed light. You need to fix that.
You're also creating incredibly boring and flat light with that thing. Rethink your approach. You've way overcomplicated things.
Thank you for your tips and replies. It's really helpful.
>>3145546
>Drop the ISO, slow the shutter, open the aperture
I went on this,
ISO 200
F8.0
1/30
It seems better.
The flash remains a bit too hard for my taste. It makes the leather a bit glossy, too shiny, even with a diffuser on it. Should I reverse it on a silver umbrella or something ? Maybe should I separate it from the camera.
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>>3145824
Move the flash to top right, shoot through a large diffuser close to the shoe. That'll create some large and less harsh hilight and brings the shape out a little bit better.
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>>3145438
1. If you want the background to be the same colour between shots, you need to manually set the cameras white balance. This can be fixed in post through lightroom if you've been shooting in RAW.
2. You're shooting a dead static scene, yet you are using a 1/160th sec shutter speed forcing your camera to bump the ISO up to 800. The resulting chroma noise is visible on the two leather shoes, and it doesn't look good. Turn the ISO down to 100, and shoot with a long shutter speed. This will get rid of the noise and probably make the shot look better.
3. I'd say lose the front flash, and just rely on reflective material to bounce the light onto the front of the subject. In fact if you bounce the light around the box well enough you could probably get away with a single light source. Nice diffused light is key.
Pic related is a test shot I took with an improvised setup in my wardrobe after seeing this post. I used a single torch pointed at the wall for diffused light, and a book to reflect some light onto the front of the subject. Exposure time was 8 seconds with f/6.3 at ISO 100.
I hope some of this helps
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I don't even really know why but this looks comfy as hell
So nice and tidy and simple, good job on the diy OP
My only observation is that the contrast or colors, I dunno what it is, they look kinda flat, or maybe underxposed. I'm used to this kind of pics having more 'pop' if you know what I mean
>>3145824
Post an image of the results you would like to have and we can help you achieve those results
>>3145919
To let you compare, here is a picture from the professional team of one of my shoes supplier and on the same family and color as the low model already >>3145824 pictured in the thread.
It's maybe a bit too glossy there btw.
>>3145919
Here is typicaly the quality I'd like to achieve.
Not necessary for the white color background, I'm not necessary for Ultra White background. But for the shoe itself that'd fit my whishes.
>>3145917
Thank you.. The Yankee Workshop was a great source of inspiration.
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>>3145925
When using flash (generally speaking) shutter speed controls the ambient light (in your case the LEDS).
There are many ways you can get these results.
You are going to have to keep dropping the shutter speed until your background goes white (without blowing highlights on your shoe).
Your flash light is too hard, that little diffusion box on your flash is doing almost nothing.
Try this, turn the flash off, turn the LEDS on, and meter. Keep your ISO at 200 and your aperture at f/8, just keep dropping the shutter speed until the shoe is well exposed. Even if the exposure time is like 10 seconds it is not a problem because the subject is not moving and you are on a tripod. Make sure you use a self timer so the camera does not shake when the shutter opens from pressing the release