https://fstoppers.com/critiques/dis appointment-after-disapp

>>3121255
oh good, it's this thread again.
just wait for bridge camera guy and m4/3 fags to come and be like muh pen-f is so compact and better than everything else
then the same fuji/sony shills to come and argue about their specs

>>3121297
I think what hurts his fragile ego most is that it will still outsell that shitty A9 by a considerable amount

>>3121255

The lack of dynamic range compared to current generation cameras issue is nothing new, it has plagued most of their cameras for several generations now. Canon also owns a ridiculous number of patents relating to camera tech as well but most of it goes unused. They're a very conservative company.
Their current camera releases (the 6D mk 2 is a prime example) fall far short in terms of features of what has been available for similar or lesser prices on the market and that is totally inexcusable.
It doesn't mean that their cameras are suddenly worthless pieces of junk, I'm sure good images can be made with them. After all, back in the early 2000's magazine photographers were using 4 or 5 megapixel DSLR's with far worse sensors and they were still creating amazing pictures that made the front cover of TIME and National Geographic. However, even with that said its very disappointing to see Canon fall so far behind that I simply can't recommend their products to people looking to invest in a camera when there's better options available for the same or lesser price. The sad part is that Canon will still sell a ton of cameras because the average joe who isn't a nerd doesn't care about current camera tech advancements or the dynamic range of the sensor, they probably won't be able to tell the difference anyway.

>>3121255
While its arguable that the majority of camera purchasers will never need to push an image beyond what a Canon sensor can handle nor will they have the processing power to crunch 4K video, advancements in camera tech are always welcomed and I'd rather have those features and abilities than not. Therefore I will be taking my hard earned money elsewhere; the Sony A7 series are looking really good and will only get better from here on out.

>>3121334
>I'd rather have those features and abilities than not
I'd rather have a company that stands behind their product. A company that will fix things if they go wrong, whether in or out of warranty, and will fix it promptly.

Not a company that relies on an army of internet shills to misinform gullible fanbois and whose response to serious issues such as overheating is "Buy the grip."

The so called features you drool over are not there to help you improve your photography, the difference they make is marginal at best. They really only provide fodder for fanbois and shills to masturbate over. And for those useless features you are happy to settle for poorly thought out, badly crafted cameras from a company who provide appalling service and support and shit out a new model every 6 months because they regard their customers as nothing more than walking ATMs.

I hear will A9ii will have even more useless crap built into it. I hope you've started saving, it is sure to be another game changer

>>3121255
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>>3121361
I'm a working photographer and own both the Canon 5D series and Sony A7r2 and RX1r2 cameras, they have all taken a beating and none gave me any problems. Had to send one of my Sony cameras in for a cleaning recently and the process wasn't unnecessarily painful. Having CPS is nice but I suspect if Sony ever wants to be a major contender with their A9 at the upcoming Olympics they'll step up their professional services game soon. I print regularly and the Sony raw files do seem to give me more latitude to work with in post so it does make a difference for me. Having good video also helps with editorial assignments so I wouldn't discount that. The opinions of internet shills and fanbois (yours included) are irrelevant to me, I use whatever I find better for my work and the Sonys fit the bill.

>>3121373
>The opinions of internet shills and fanbois (yours included) are irrelevant to me
Yes, of course it is.

>>3121361
Spotted the Canon user

>>3121379
Spotted Sherlock Holmes

>>3121361
>>3121379
more like canon fanboi

>shit range for stills
>no notable video upgrades of any kind
What's the point of this camera?

At least the C200 has incredible announced updates from the previous models of the line, and a reasonable price point, but who is the 6D mk ii supposed to appeal to?

>>3121255
FUCK Canon!
They can take their inferior cameras and shove them up their ass. I won't tolerate any more of their bullshit!

>>3121417
People who are too heavily invested in Canon lenses and accessories but can't afford one of their higher end cameras?
Or idiots that don't know any better or couldn't care about what they're getting for that price.

>>3121431
>>3121255
>>3121417
Canon probably knows that they have trapped a large segment of the market from their previous glory days who cba to switch now so they have to begrudgingly buy whatever shit canon throws out there if they need an upgrade
the smart ones will still switch though

>>3121431
Shit you're exactly right, though even if it's perfect for that second crowd, I'd hope anyone with enough Canon glass would be know to maybe wait till the next one. It's too pricey for a new B camera, but not worth upgrading for a main body considering it's gimped capabilities for a new release.

>>3121429
>>3121431
>>3121433
>>3121434
t. Butthurt Samfag Esq.

>>3121331
>Their current camera releases (the 6D mk 2 is a prime example) fall far short in terms of features of what has been available for similar or lesser prices on the market and that is totally inexcusable.
Yet they out sell everyone else.

Perhaps you should look at the things Canon does offer that the competition is struggling with. Things like: build quality; weather sealing; lens library; user interface; reliability....

>>3121458
The competition has been improving on the things you've said, but if Canon remains stagnant on the tech side of things then there will be no differentiation soon enough.
Fuji's lens lineup is already looking quite formidable and Sony has been putting in effort as well. Their GM lenses are excellent. Mirrorless cameras like the Olympus OMD series offer excellent weather sealing. In-body stabilization like IBIS trumps Canon's lens based IS and will offer stabilization even for non-native/vintage lenses.
Canon has been at the DSLR game for a lot longer than Sony has so its obvious that their lens and accessory lineup would be more mature. Most photographers won't pay yearly for CPS/NPS or need the highly specialized lenses that the mature ecosystem offers such as TS lenses or some of the big whites so they'll look for advantages such as 4K video, sensor performance, bang for buck, and weight differences

>>3121361

Canon fanboy in denial that his brand of choice is shooting themselves in the foot.

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Seems like a made a good decision buying and keeping my 5D Mark II.

>>3121463
>The competition has been improving on the things you've said, but if Canon remains stagnant on the tech side of things then there will be no differentiation soon enough.
They're not stagnant.

>Fuji's lens lineup is already looking quite formidable and Sony has been putting in effort as well.
Making nice lenses and have a legitimate lens library with all the lenses a pro or advanced amateur would want are not the same thing.

>Mirrorless cameras like the Olympus OMD series offer excellent weather sealing.
Nobody is shooting OMD at pro events.

>In-body stabilization like IBIS trumps Canon's lens based IS
No it does not.

>so they'll look for advantages such as 4K video, sensor performance,
Only faggots think that DR is the single measure by which sensor performance should be judged.

As for 4k...not sure what to tell you. Canon seems to think that the consumer market doesn't care that much yet. Camera sales seem to bear that out.

4k is a useless meme anyways. Canon did the right thing by leaving that shit out.

>>3121255
is there a magic lantern equivalent for nikon or sony? i might not buy a canon again.

>>3121793
There isn't, but what things you're getting with magic lantern are already there by default on the Sony. Checkout wedding film school's video where he explains why he switched on YouTube. Zebras, focus peaking, audiometers...it's all there along with true log profile for color grading.

>>3121793

Sony doesn't need magic lantern.

There are Open Memory apps though. They used the app install thing to add some features/unlock language options.

>>3121793
>>3122090
>>3122092

You'd think that Canon would have implemented some of the useful features from Magic Lantern over the years as their cameras are often used for video but nope, they want to protect their cine cameras.
At least Sony doesn't seem to be doing the same with their A7, A6000 and FS series cameras.

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>Canon will die in your lifetime

>>3121478
yes, you made.

>>3122092
Those Android apps are crud right now. Needs far more developers.

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>>3122294
>marketshare growing year over year
>"hurr durr they ded now"

>>3122294
I reckon Nikon dies first, after Ricoh of course.

No-one said one has to upgrade. This is just what companies want you to think.

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>>3122788
Honestly, the prices of all of this shit is so ridiculous it's staggering to me coming in from the tech industry. Even "pro" grade DSLRs use well matured technology that should not cost anywhere near thousands of dolllars. I don't care how many freakin megapixels they can cram into a sensor.

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>>3122797
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>>3122800
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>>3122802
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>>3122812
Exposed to the right. No camera noise reduction, default Lightroom settings. Export with jpg quality 96, longest side 1000px

>>3122788
>and I was pissed when my work got it.

Y-you mean they bought it without consulting you?

>>3122788
>paragraphs of impotent rage
Canon not only remains #1, they are growing marketshare. And they will sell a shit ton of 6D2's.

As for video: the real money is in pro cinema and pro cinema buys from their cinema line. If you truly believe you need 4k for your shitty blog go buy an overheating Sony.

>>3122813
No one cares dude

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Feels good to be /sony/

Canon fags BTFO
Nikon fags BTFO
Fuji fags BTFO

>>3122990
Basically this

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>>3122990
>>3122995
They make some good lenses

>>3122996
And thanks to adapeters I can use them all on my Sony.

>>3122998
With the built-in sensor stabilization vintage lenses and non-native lenses will be stabilized!

>>3122990
That kid is a little less gay than the average Sony fanboy, but still a great find.

>>3122813
what are you trying to say

>vastly improved AF
>new features
>better build
>better high ISO
>higher resolution
>"The new 6D has worse performance than the old one!"
I'm so fucking tired of the idiots acting as if DR is the ONLY measure of sensor IQ.

>but you can't possible expect me to believe that sony isn't selling at least 15 of their 4k dslrs to canons single C300
Why would I believe they are? Where are your stats? And if that's the case, then video is an even smaller segment than I thought because it's not helping Sony close the gap overall.

>I just know that if canon keeps going down this route of purposefully handicapping their DLSRs
Sony can't do 4k reliably. Given how cautious Canon is and how large their pro base is, the real reason for heavily cropped 4k in the 5D4 and no 4K in the 6D is probably due to thermal issues. This is not "purposely handicapping." If Canon ships a 4k DSLR it has to do 4k in the middle of a fucking desert in 120F heat without overheating and stopping. Before you point to the 1DC, it has a larger body = larger heat sinks.

>>3123090
1dc is also 2011 tech. So in the the past years they've had almost no progress at all on their sensor's efficiency? 5d4 vs 5d3 is like no improvement in high ISO performance.
Oh wow the 6d2 gets the 80d's af except it doesn't matter how many fucking points you have if they're all in the center.
Canon is trash

>>3123094
>1dc is also 2011 tech. So in the the past years they've had almost no progress at all on their sensor's efficiency?
No. Neither has Sony. That's why 2017 Sony tech overheats.

You do know that Moore's Law is dead, right? There haven't been any major advances in chip feature size and performance/efficiency since 2010. All the gains have been small and incremental. The days of double power/efficiency every 18 months are long gone. It might be a while before manufacturers can do 4k from FF sensors in an enclosed (no vents/fans) body without thermal issues in higher temp environments.

>5d4 vs 5d3 is like no improvement in high ISO performance.
Yes there is at very high ISOs. There's also a large DR improvement 5D4 vs. 5D3. The 5D4 can push shadows like many Sony cameras (though still not as well as the D8x0 bodies, but those are outliers).

>Oh wow the 6d2 gets the 80d's af except it doesn't matter how many fucking points you have if they're all in the center.
>"muh center af meme"
It's a fucking off-mirror PDAF array. NOBODY has edge to edge AF points on a FF flappy mirror camera because of the optical challenges.

Mirrorless can do edge to edge AF points, but still can't compete with flappy mirrors in terms of AF acquisition speed or viewfinder performance with moving subjects (though the A9 brought mirrorless a step closer).

All you can do is spout memes. You don't understand the tech any better than you understand why Canon out sells Sony.

>>3121255
At the rate things are going it wont be long before Sony (and mirrorless tech in general) overtakes all the supposed "advantages" that Canon currently has. The A9 is a good indicator of what's to come.
Canon has been too conservative when it comes to adopting new technologies and pushing the boundaries of innovation and that has lead to disappointment after disappointment compared to what other companies have done with their cameras.
I'd rather invest my money into a camera system that is only going to get better from here on out. All the current disadvantages that Sony currently has aren't exactly deal-breakers for me especially if I'm getting way better video quality, resolution, and a reduction in weight.

>>3123171
>At the rate things are going it wont be long before Sony (and mirrorless tech in general) overtakes all the supposed "advantages" that Canon currently has.
>Canon has been too conservative when it comes to adopting new technologies
Canon can bring out FF mirrorless bodies to compete with Sony any time they wish.

* DPAF is better than anything Sony has.
* The EOS M mount is roughly the same dimensions as Sony's mount and can support FF.
* The 5D4 and 1DX II show that Canon sensors are on par even in terms of DR. (6D2 sensor is probably being made on the old fab.)

The only thing "missing" is FF 4k which overheats Sony bodies. When Canon does it, it will work.

BTW, your last two sentences scream "paid shill."

>>3123171
>I'd rather invest my money into a camera system that is only going to get better from here on out
I'd rather have a system that works for me now, not one that might work in 5 or so years if I'm lucky.

>>3123175

>Canon can bring out FF mirrorless bodies to compete with Sony any time they wish.
AHAHAHAHAHA

>DPAF is better than anything Sony has.
While that might be true now, most videographers pull focus manually. Only vloggers and some wedding videographers will use AF for video.

>The 5D4 and 1DX II show that Canon sensors are on par even in terms of DR
Still not close to the A7Rii or D810 and those are older cameras.

>The only thing "missing" is FF 4k which overheats Sony bodies. When Canon does it, it will work.
Sony has been improving on it (look at the A6500). For most uses people won't run into overheating issues, I certainly haven't yet.


>BTW, your last two sentences scream "paid shill."
You seem to be that one guy that's been consistently defending Canon this entire thread.

While some of your arguments may be true now, we will see who has the last laugh in a few years if Canon continues to be this retarded.
History has shown that the tides will swing if companies don't innovate and adopt new technologies fast enough and Canon is no exception to that.

>>3123181
>we will see who has the last laugh in a few years
Yeah, just wait until the world reads moopcucks threads on /p/, then they will all know what is what.

>>3123181
>>DPAF is better than anything Sony has.
>While that might be true now, most videographers pull focus manually. Only vloggers and some wedding videographers will use AF for video.
>only "some"
>wedding photography being possibly the largest market
I love how when it's Sony tech it's proof Canon is dying but when it's Canon tech "hurr durr Sony no need that."

>>The 5D4 and 1DX II show that Canon sensors are on par even in terms of DR
>Still not close to the A7Rii or D810 and those are older cameras.
The D810 has exceptional DR but most Sony sensors including the A7Rii are in the 13ev range.

>For most uses people won't run into overheating issues, I certainly haven't yet.
Canon sells to professionals. "For most people" doesn't cut it.

>>BTW, your last two sentences scream "paid shill."
>You seem to be that one guy that's been consistently defending Canon this entire thread.
Against BS? Yes.

>History has shown that the tides will swing if companies don't innovate and adopt new technologies fast enough and Canon is no exception to that.
Canon can do FF mirrorless at any time. They have DPAF and a better UI than Sony. The only thing Sony has at the moment is the fast VF in the A9.

Truth is Canon is the 900lb gorilla in the room and even Sony knows it.

I'm a Canon user and I agree. Fucking Canon.

>>3123258

>I love how when it's Sony tech it's proof Canon is dying but when it's Canon tech "hurr durr Sony no need that."
You're grasping at straws here and showing that you know little about the industry. 4K, better codecs, and features like pixel binning are far more valuable to working professionals than AF; they have always pulled focus manually and swear by it.

>Canon sells to professionals. "For most people" doesn't cut it.
The professionals in my field of work aren't using 5D's anymore. For work that isn't too demanding its usually a dedicated video camera like the FS5/7 or a BM Ursa Mini. Even the 5Dmk4 is far too gimped for them to use as a B or C camera and they'll use an A7SII or A7RII for that.
The C300 mk2 is also great but came too late and priced rather high.


>Canon can do FF mirrorless at any time.
I too believe they can do so with all the resources they have but the fact is that they haven't yet. Till they do it and make it competitive enough against whatever's available on the market at that time, I won't believe it.
I have a feeling that by the time they get around to that it would be too little too late.


If you like Canon's current offerings and want to use it then sure, go ahead. No one is stopping you.
But for most of us working professionals we'll use whatever works best for current demands and if that means dropping Canon's current lineup of gimped DSLRs in favour of a Sony camera which gives us more flexibility and quality then that is what we'll have to do.

>>3123175
Have you owned or personally used a Sony that overheated on you all the time to the point where it was unusable?
Didn't think so, you're just complaining about it because that's what you see others on the internet complain about and you just hopped on the bandwagon to defend your beloved Canon.
If you actually used one you may find out that the overheating issue usually happens in very specific circumstances that the large majority of users won't find themselves in. For jobs that require extended periods of high quality video recording they wouldn't be using an A7 to begin with

>>3123264
>>I love how when it's Sony tech it's proof Canon is dying but when it's Canon tech "hurr durr Sony no need that."
>You're grasping at straws here
No, you are. All your crap about "hurr durr Canon is dying because this meme or that meme" when their marketshare is GROWING. If you don't like Canon's offerings, buy something else. But don't blow your personal preferences up into grandiose claims about the market.

>>Canon sells to professionals. "For most people" doesn't cut it.
>The professionals in my field of work aren't using 5D's anymore.
The point is that CANON CANNOT SHIP OVERHEATING DSLRS. I don't give a shit what a handful of amateurs in your basement porn shoot are using. It's irrelevant.

>>Canon can do FF mirrorless at any time.
>I too believe they can do so with all the resources they have but the fact is that they haven't yet.
Has anyone else besides Sony? Leica I guess. Not Nikon. Not Fuji. Not Pentax. Not...you get the picture. There have been technical hurdles and Sony has not taken over the market with FF mirrorless no matter how new and cool it might seem.

>But for most of us working professionals we'll use whatever works best for current demands
Most working professionals shoot Canon. So maybe your snowflake "demands" just aren't the demands of the market.

>>3123267
>Have you owned or personally used a Sony that overheated on you all the time to the point where it was unusable?
Have you ever had a debate without resorting to a stupid strawman?

>For jobs that require extended periods of high quality video recording they wouldn't be using an A7 to begin with
They would probably be using a Canon cinema camera.

>>3121255
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>3123153
do you even own a fuckin camera you retard

>>3123175
5d4 and 1dx2 are basically the same as 5d3 and 1dx. almost no change at all.
canon is complacent and run by decrepit weebs
canon sells to soccer moms and first name last name fauxtography sluts. sony sells to gearfags. if you're gonna gearfag, at least pick the one that makes your dick hard

>>3123325
Autism detected.

>>3123503
butthurt detected

>>3123504
not that anon you autist but it seems that you can't even understand what was being said

>>3123369
Obviously not, thats why he can only regurgitate the shit he reads on fanboy sites. Probably doesn't even take pictures either.

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>>3123153
You're too adequate dude

>>3123529
Reports say that the A6500 is greatly improved but I don't own one so can't confirm

I shoot exclusively 4K on my A7s2 and it has never overheated in the past year and a half of using it. Perhaps being in Canada does help a bit

>>3123175

>Canon shills believes that DPAF > better codecs, zebra, peaking, and pixel binning in the video industry

Wow, they must have their heads so far up their asses

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>>3123175
Canon's DP-PDAF is still slow. A9 is matching D5 for focus acquisition while Canon's DP-PDAF is still 2x slower than a mid-range DSLR's OVF focusing. From Canon's own video: https://youtu.be/jgYzCOkuAZA

>>3123671
So you're comparing an old generation of mid-range cameras with the A9 and also ignore the mounted lenses? :^)

>>3123675
I'm comparing
>DPAF is better than anything Sony has.
Nothing more, nothing less.

>>3123676
Where's the contradiction?

>>3123680
Did you even bother to read the comment you retard?

>>3123683
Good for you retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrpuUES3Sw

canon on sudoku watch.

>>3123558

a6500 has no heat issues. Gets warm to the touch, wont shut down.

a6300 is dependent upon environment. Outside in the heat with a slow card and it will shut down pretty quick if recording continuosly. From what I hear it gets at least 30 minutes continuous worst case.

a6000 overheats if the person holding it has a fever.

The mark ii a7s and the a9 might give heat warnings, but wont shut down.

>>3121255
Some essence of truth to it, is not like it's bad, the image quality was and still is great, it's just lagged behind the improvements of the rest of the market.

Honestly, which is a shame, because it'd be great if they were neck and neck to spur more competition in pushing the envelope of performance, or if they cant improve that any further at the current point in time - other areas.

The funny thing is that it used to be Sony's cameras that were crap and way behind the market in terms of noise and DR of even older Canon cameras a few years ago.

I used to shitpost on Sony so much, now my main is an A7s.

The improvements in the cameras by Sony to work so god damn well now with the modern camera adapters is better than I ever expected.

who in their right mind will buy a 6d2?
aren't they better off getting a 5d3?

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Canon has a lot of 20 year old 500nm semiconductor production machines.

They can't let that old trash stay idle, they have to keep churning out microchips one way or another.
In Canon's case, they came them keep churning out shitty FF sensors with crippled DR, crippled video, crippled everything.

Nobody wants to buy mobile phone sensors from Canon, so they can't produce those.
Nobody wants to buy P&S sensors from Canon, so they can't produce too many of those either.

>FPA-5510iX is capable 0.5 µm resolution across a large field (50 mm x 50 mm or more) by adopting a 1:2 reduction projection lens.

>Suitable for products requiring a large exposure field such as image sensor, advanced packaging and MEMS2 applications.

>FPA-5510iX can perform one-shot exposure for applications with a chip size larger than a normal stepper exposure area (26 mm x 33 mm) and can improve both image quality and productivity when compared to smaller field steppers that require stitching of adjacent shots to expand field size.
It's an old company stuck with trash technology.

>>3124096
>tfw my eos m with 500nm sensor
>tfw they're still rehashing the same sensor in a rabal t7

>>3124096
If Canon had to write those machines off and buy new ones their operating income will probably take a huge dive. I wonder how often the other big image semiconductor fabs (toshiba, sony, etc) upgrade their machines.

>>3124245
>I wonder how often the other big image semiconductor fabs (toshiba, sony, etc) upgrade their machines.
They build new fabs entirely.
Their older fabs such as 180nm process can keep producing sensors for high demand cameras like the A6000 and D750, which wouldn't really benefit from fab upgrades.

It's just Canon who is buying old used shit from other random fabs.

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>>3124250
>build
I'm pretty sure everyone buys from ASML. Nikon was dumb to go that route since ASML has a monopoly in chip-building machines.

>>3124257
dumb to not go that route*

>>3124096
>>3124245

So that explains why Canon keeps sticking inferior sensors in their cameras that can't compete with what's currently on the market.
I've always been puzzled as to why Canon could never take a fucking clue after all these years and several generations of subpar cameras.
Guess I know what camera manufacturer to avoid from here on out.

>>3124014
Good to know that Sony has certainly been improving on their shortcomings unlike Canon which still has the nerve to sell inferior cameras at high prices.

Canon shill just got BTFO.

>>3124096
>In Canon's case, they came them keep churning out shitty FF sensors with crippled DR, crippled video, crippled everything

Whatever you say, Alex Jones.

>>3124141
>tfw it is still a good sensor and can get stunning images.
The real difference is the 20 cm behind the camera.

>>3124291
Sure thing John Oliver

Buttmad shills deserve range bans.
>inb4 m-muh dik!

>>3124266
> can't compete in today's market
> he types this whilst canon leads the market with no signs of downfall

>>3124292
papa isi taking me up the ass while i photograph moop watching?

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>buy a DSLR
>wonder why it isn't entirely focused on video features
>where muh forekay
I'm starting to believe that videos on a DSLR are a meme at this point, why are you buying DSLRs for video when MILCs are literally better in every way for it? Obviously, the problems regarding dynamic range for stills is inexcusable

>>3124366
Not referring to sales numbers but rather in technological innovation.
Remember, the 80-20 rule exists, the large majority are stupid and uninformed.

>>3124372
I like how some people think being sucky at video is/should be part of DSLR identity.

>>3124400
Pentax users maybe

>>3124389
>Not referring to sales numbers but rather in technological innovation.
>what is 50mp?
>what are three sensors with Sony class DR (80D, 1DX II, 5D IV)?
>what is DPAF?

>>3124575

>80D, 1DX2, 5D4 still doesn't come close to Sony's DR
>implying DPAF is useful for anything outside of vlogs and family videos

Canon shills still don't know what really matters.

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>>3124575
DP-PDAF is extremely slow

>>3124580
>implying DPAF is useful for anything outside of vlogs and family videos
>implying it needs to be to target the literally millions of people who only want a video camera for these things
Sony shills still don't know what really matters.
>fyi it's reliability, ease of use, quality of results, resale value
Toyota consistently underspecs it's cars and charges more for them than their competitors, and didn't make a sports car for the entire first decade of the 21st century, and lol, they're still the biggest single carmaker in the world.
>i wonder why???
Canon hasn't made an 8k, 4mil-ISO, 16-stop medium-format mirrorless with a whole new range of f/1.2 primes either, and yet it's still the biggest camera manufacturer in the world. Weird, huh?

>>3124591
They won't be for much longer if they continue to be this ass backwards and treating their customers for fools.
Keep shilling and staying mad while the world moves on.

>>3124591

Remember when Kodak had the world largest market share in photographic products?

>>3124591
its shills like you that Canon loves so they can continue to pull the same shit over and over again and you'll just lap it all up

>>3121255
This is you should buy cameras from company that only make cameras

You are all fags. Show someone a great picture. Do you think they say "wow shot with a canon huh? L-lens right?"

Nobody gives a fuck if the picture is interesting, sharp, and with good lighting.

Canon is the go to manufacturer if you know dick about cameras. I fell for the canon meme.

"Well the olympics are all shot with canon" yeah cause canon gives their lenses out like candy.

shoot fuji or sony.

Pay top dollar for overweight under specced canon if it help you feel like a pro.

>tfw the 6D Mk 1 won't significantly drop in the market due to how mediocre the Mk II is
Great, only waited months for it to go down to $800.. coulda just bought the bullet last year for $1200.

>>3124580
>>80D, 1DX2, 5D4 still doesn't come close to Sony's DR

5D4: 13.6ev
Sony A7S: 13.2ev

>>3124652
>i believe eos m was $700 for the body at launch
>tfw got it for $300 double kit lens
thanks reviewers.
you'll get that 6d2 for $800 soon.

>>3124658
nice cherry pick.
a7 has 14.2ev

>>3124658

>Comparing a 5D4 to an A7S which was released in 2014

The original A7 had a DR score of 14.2 and the original A7R had a score of 14.1
Let's not even get into the gimped video features of the 2016 5D4 compared to the 2014 A7S.

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>>3124658

I checked the chart.

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>>3124668
>sony in charge of image processing
just get a bentax.

>>3124671
The Nikon D810 and the Pentax K-1 use Sony-made sensors.

The Pentax K-1 is seriously under-rated. You get a lot of camera for that sub-$2000 price. I wish I'd see more people with it.

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Btw. my peen was neither made by Sony nor by Canon

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>>3121429
fag

>>3121478
One of their best DESU

>>3124662
>>3124665
>>3124668
>"missing the point due to autism"
>a book of replies on /p/
Saying "Sony" has better DR than "Canon" is fucking retarded. Companies do not have DR. Specific cameras have DR. And Canon's latest bodies beat a number of bodies from other manufacturers on DR.

If DR is the single most important measure of sensor quality EVAH then Sony is shit and we should all be shooting the D810. The difference between the 5DIV and the flagship A7rII is 0.3ev, which probably isn't noticeable. The difference between the A7rII and the D810 is basically a full stop and IS noticeable.

And the A7s? Sony fags will defend that camera then shit on Canon for "muh DR", showing how stupid it is to brand fag off memes.

>>3124955
And how old is the A7RII compared to the 5D4? What about price? Even with the minor difference in DR score the A7RII still seems like the better buy, especially when you take video into consideration.
If you're only interested in photo then the Pentax K-1 is best bang for buck.

>>3124822
Yeah. You're probably one of them dumb Nikon/Fuji shills.

>>3125065
>And how old is the A7RII compared to the 5D4?
DR is not related to age you brand fag. The first A7's were better.

>What about price? Even with the minor difference in DR score the A7RII still seems like the better buy,
Not for someone who needs Canon reliability it isn't.

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Hello /p/ About 3 months ago i asked a question of budget cameras before i could get a dslr in august i caved in and got a 1300d early. Ive been enjoying it taking lots of pictures going places for the sake of photos.
>Pic is OC
Ive seen a firmware thats called magic latern and it looks ace is there anything similar for the 1300d/t5 because i love the features of it.
Also suggestions for image editing software as Photoshop is complete shit. i can only manipulate stuff im not good at colour.

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ffs was suppost to make a thread>>3125552
>>3125552
>>3125552
>>3125552
>>3125552
>>3125552

Not a Canon shooter but holy shit does canon take it's users for fools or what

>>3125427
This faggot fell for the reliability meme.

>>3124651
>hurr camera doesn't matter
.durr Canon suxs, shoot Fuji or Sony

Are you fucking stupid or just retarded?

>>3126101
I'm fucking wasted so I'll bend over and take it like a faggot. FUCK ME ASS PLEASE LIKE THE AVERAGE SONY USER.