What are in your opinion, the modern DSLR or mirrorless cameras

>>3042297

"retro" designs are a cancer upon this earth

File: pentax_13960_k_s2_dslr_camera_with_1116252.jpg (371KB, 2000x2000px) Image search: [Google]

371KB, 2000x2000px

I'm serious.

>>3042298
The typical canon/Nikon dslr design is as close to objectively ugly as something can get

You probably dress bad too

>>3042298
Photography is probably not the hobby for you if you can't appreciate good design

File: maxresdefault.jpg (97KB, 1223x793px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 1223x793px

>>3042300
>typical canon/Nikon dslr design is as close to objectively ugly as something can get

Did I say anything about those designs? And those are almost purely functional anyway. Which is what you want from a camera. It's a tool, not something you show off with pics of your EDC.

>>3042303
>good design

Good design fifty years ago. It serves no purpose other than "nostalgia." It looks old for the sake of looking old. For awhile Olympus avoided this trend by making m43 cameras that looked like the continued evolution of their old film forbears, but now it's just retro copying. Stepping further and further back each year.

The only companies making good looking mirrorless cameras are Sony and Leica. Sony by virtue of all their product design being focused on clean lines and functional efficiency. And Leica by virtue of iterating so slowly that they never jump on retarded bandwagon design trends. Trends like the retro bullshit Fuji started a few years ago.

File: highres-Pentax-FA-24-70mmP1010224_1455724268.jpg (4MB, 3920x3522px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 3920x3522px

Classic, not retro.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Panasonic
Camera Model	DMC-GX8
Camera Software	Ver.1.0
Photographer	Picasa
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/2.8
Sensing Method	One-Chip Color Area
Focal Length (35mm Equiv)	66 mm
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	180 dpi
Vertical Resolution	180 dpi
Image Created	2016:02:17 14:00:44
Exposure Time	1/250 sec
F-Number	f/3.5
Exposure Program	Normal Program
ISO Speed Rating	200
Exposure Bias	0.3 EV
Metering Mode	Pattern
Light Source	Unknown
Flash	No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	33.00 mm
Color Space Information	sRGB
Image Width	3920
Image Height	3522
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Auto
Scene Capture Type	Standard
Gain Control	Low Gain Up
Saturation	Normal
Sharpness	Normal
Unique Image ID	958dcfa1c2a1c5323b05e207c336ef1a
Image Quality	Fine
White Balance	Auto
Focus Mode	Unknown
Spot Mode	Unknown
Image Stabilizer	Unknown
Macro Mode	Normal
Shooting Mode	Program
Audio	No
Flash Bias	0.00 EV
Color Effect	Off
Contrast	Low
Noise Reduction	Standard

File: IMG_0356.jpg (52KB, 420x571px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 420x571px

Why do companies do this? Is the goal to make a toy that fools people into playing at Photography?

Also they are like perfect dark guns.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	72 dpi
Vertical Resolution	72 dpi
Color Space Information	sRGB
Image Width	420
Image Height	571
Scene Capture Type	Standard

>>3042310
At first I thought Sonys looked cool, but now I realized how awful they really look.

>>3042310
> having accessible dials is ``retro bullshit''

Having easy access to aperture, shutter, and ISO is what made "retro" cameras great. That's why people flock to Fuji. If you think those things are now irrelevant and obsolete, then we've got something to argue about here. Just because we made the switch from film to digital, doesn't mean the exposure triangle suddenly became relics of the past. In this sense, having those dials isn't "retro copying". They're basic photography settings.

If Fuji had fake film advance levers and fake film rewind knobs on their cameras, then yes, you could bash them all you want for `retro bullshit'. This is NOT the case for aperture, shutter, and ISO dials which are 100% functional settings in digital photography.

>>3042314
Canikon never got the memo that amorphous blob designs fell out of fashion and was replaced by rectilinear designs. Only the grip needs to be shaped to fit hands comfortably. The rest of the camera can be whatever shape they want, so It's not even a functional thing.

>>3042310
>exposure controls being physically accessible being a meme

top sonygger

File: df comparison.jpg (471KB, 1280x1445px) Image search: [Google]

471KB, 1280x1445px

>>3042319
>having accessible dials is ``retro bullshit''
>>3042324
>exposure controls being physically accessible being a meme


No one's talking about the preponderance of dials in OP's image. We're talking about the physical appearance and aesthetic. The needless separation on the nameplate to make it look like a separate piece of metal. The faux leather everywhere. Even the dial font looks ancient.

Extra dials don't make it look old. The outdated design does.

>>3042328
omd em1's design makes me cum. classy.

>>3042328
You're talking about the Df? Df is universally regarded as a failed design, even by people that actually like retro-inspired cameras. One also has to wonder why they even added a PASM dial when ISO and Shutter have their own dials. They couldn't have added an "Auto" setting to those dials? Really silly. That PASM dial could've been a dedicated aperture control dial for lenses without aperture ring, with a neck switch for setting aperture to manual or auto.

File: NikonDFANCESTOR.jpg (61KB, 940x626px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 940x626px

DF is closer to the fm2n than the f3

>>3042344
Ironically, Df has way too many buttons and dials

File: 511988-nikon-d5.jpg (13KB, 333x245px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 333x245px

>>3042297
D3/D4/D5 because of awesome ergonomics.

Canon 1D series gets honorable mention.
But I personally prefer Nikon's more "organic" button layout.

Looks matter not.

>>3042322
>The rest of the camera can be whatever shape they want, so It's not even a functional thing.

The rounded body makes it stronger.
Straight surfaces dent much easier.

File: pentax-K3.jpg (185KB, 1199x955px) Image search: [Google]

185KB, 1199x955px

>>3042297
I like the design of the Pentacks K-3, it's a classic design without being too retro.

The Df is ok too, it would be great only if it was couple of cms slimmer.

I think the Df is pretty bad and a missed opportunity.

I want them to make a fully manual digital camera with no digital controls that is as tiny as an FE or F2 and uses the classic manual glass:
-physical dials for all important settings
-literally no AF, no P mode, no A or S mode,
-Meter select between point, center weighted and matrix.
-Interchangeable prisms and focus screens
-A small screen with live view and minimal options.
- heavy weathersealing (like F3P levels)

Hell, if Canon decided to make an F1D with the FD mount I'd buy it and switch my film gear to FD.

Like seriously, it can't be that hard. Honestly I wouldn't mind having a manual shutter advance lever again either.

>>3042297

>Nikon Df

Confirmed for never using one or just having no fucking idea what you're talking about

The add is a nice camera overall but the design is just plain bad, the dials couldn't be any more idiotically designed, and the front dial is fucking horrendous to actually use.. The camera still has a few nice features though.

All that said, the only good designs are either new retro (nothing can compete with Fuji XT series) or classic DSLR (both Canikon do a fine job).

The XT design is what the add tried to be, the problem is that it also tried to be a modern DSLR design at the same time.

Fuji do the classic design best, it's very enjoyable to use but it isn't better than Canikons DSLR design, they're just different.

Sony's are literally the worst kek, even their high end a7 cameras share the same buttons as their $100 compacts.

>>3042299
Shit looks like the camera that master chief would have used.

>>3042449

add = Df

Fuck autocorrect

the Pentax KP is closer to being "retro" without being ugly and faux retro than the DF ever will be, even if it's a sort of shitty camera for its price.

the df is simply awkwardly fat looking, there was an elegance to old SLR cameras that has been lost, (Olympus OM, pentax LX, etc)

I actually agree too that the ks-2 had a wonderful design, a shame that they had to put that ugly top plating on it... urgh

>>3042319
>having the dials on the top of the camera is ergonomically better than having them under thumb and finger

Reminder, this is why you don't listen to fuji users.

>>3042658
Fuji users have both, though
Have you never noticed the thumbwheels they all sport? top kek you retard

>>3042667
>one ergonomically placed dial

Pretty shit compared to sonys 3
Are yours even customisable? I presume not due to the marked ss and iso dials.

>>3042668

>complains about marked DIALS
>needs to menu dive to change even basic functions

such is life for sony faggots

>>3042668
one on front and one on back, chief.
you don't even know you're a retard, you poor sony-using bastard. Does your father know you're illegitimate too?

>>3042676
9/10 custom buttons and a completely custom function quick menu.

>>3042677
One under front finger, 2 under thumb, or did you miss the flat dial on the back?

Or are you chatting about fuji, lets dig a little deeper...

>The FUJIFILM X-Pro2 features a new front command dial. It is used to set intermediate shutter speeds that are not available on the shutter speed dial.

So you have 2 shutter speed dials, and the iso dial is a shift function of one of those dials. I mean, you're actually defending this as more ergonomic than having 3 separate, non physically limited dials? Even though it's impossible to change iso without taking your hands away from the shooting position?

This is why I love fuji vs sony banter, you guys are so delusional. Go ahead, try to defend having 2 shutter speed dials.

>>3042681

>has to list quick menu as a benefit
>menu

lol all menus (including hurdurr quick menus because no pro dials) are fucking awful to use and are for fucking amateurs

> b but f fuji has a q quick m menu t t too
>a and m muh c c custom b buttons
>(can only set a minimal amount of shitty functions like pop filters to the custom buttons)

top fucking kek m8

In addition to external dials that control every primary function

File: sony_a7r_ii_back_0.jpg (71KB, 740x487px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 740x487px

>daily reminder that autistic sony users will argue with anyone about ergonomics while using cameras with literally the worst ergos on the market

Jut look at that fucking video record button placement kek not to mention they consider the spinning back dial a real dial (the exact same pladticy piece of shit dial that sony use on their $100 compact cameras).

The Df has better controls lol

File: df-kp.jpg (61KB, 889x424px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 889x424px

Hmmm. That front dial.

>>3042691
But the sony has more customisable buttons and dials than any other camera, once setup to your preferences you never need to dive.

Quick menu is for things very rarely changed, like turning off ibis for tripod work, toggling dark frames, focus peaking colour, rear/front curtain flash. My favourite thing so far is my custom flash work pasm dial setting, with flash comp under one dial and exposure comp under another, getting perfectly balanced light has never been easier.

>>3042695
Daily reminder that the video button was placed to stay away from cages/gimbals/etc as e mount is used professionally extensively, and from accidental presses, it's not a time critical button.

And what's wrong with the rear dial, mine feels super solid, or are you saying sony should be doing new tooling for every switch and button? Pro tip, go look in a high end supercar, they normally share buttons with a sister companies hatchback.

File: 1490009458297.jpg (102KB, 889x424px) Image search: [Google]

102KB, 889x424px

>>3042743
1min in paint fixed the KP for me.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Image-Specific Properties:
Image Orientation	Top, Left-Hand

>no olympus om-d
>no fujifilm

>>3042310

>3 shekels have been deposited into your account

>>3042299
Mil-green is one of my favorite colors I would love a modern body like this

>>3042831
Is there anyone on here worse than borderline /pol/fag sugar?

>>3042806
KP was nearly perfect. Why do they make its forehead so tall

The Nikon DF would've been so much better if they made it from all metal rather than making all the back out of plastic and adding an LCD screen even though they took out the ability to record video.
>>3042300
Fuck off, Nikon DSLRs on the higher tiers are aesthetic as fuck.

>>3042297
P L A S T I C
L
A
S
T
I
C

>>3042297
>best industrial design
>industrial design; minimalist, functionalist, straight lines, flat edges, black, not influenced by the past, no wasted space.

There's really only 2 companies that fulfill these criteria, Sony and Sigma.

>>3043466

The 2 shitest options

File: nikon df.jpg (55KB, 680x450px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 680x450px

>>3042297
This is the problem with the Df

Less is more.

>>3044003

but that doesn't look like very much. it's literally two dials that control three or more functions.

>>3043466
>>industrial design; minimalist, functionalist, straight lines, flat edges, black, not influenced by the past, no wasted space.
The fuck you talking about?

>Industrial design is a process of design applied to products that are to be manufactured through techniques of mass production.
Literally none of the shit you mentioned has anything to do with industrial design.

File: l.jpg (375KB, 700x700px) Image search: [Google]

375KB, 700x700px

>>3042297
seeing as we are talking the best design and not the best camera, the Leica T wins hands down

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Panasonic
Camera Model	DMC-GH1
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop CC (Windows)
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/5.5
Sensing Method	One-Chip Color Area
Focal Length (35mm Equiv)	113 mm
Image-Specific Properties:
Image Width	2992
Image Height	2992
Number of Bits Per Component	8, 8, 8
Pixel Composition	RGB
Image Orientation	Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution	180 dpi
Vertical Resolution	180 dpi
Image Created	2014:11:17 16:12:23
Exposure Time	1/60 sec
F-Number	f/22.0
Exposure Program	Manual
ISO Speed Rating	250
Lens Aperture	f/22.0
Exposure Bias	0 EV
Metering Mode	Pattern
Light Source	Flash
Flash	Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	48.00 mm
Color Space Information	sRGB
Image Width	700
Image Height	700
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Manual
White Balance	Manual
Scene Capture Type	Standard
Gain Control	High Gain Up
Contrast	Normal
Saturation	Normal
Sharpness	Normal

File: .jpg (305KB, 1000x667px) Image search: [Google]

305KB, 1000x667px

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	SONY
Camera Model	DSC-RX1
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5.5 (Macintosh)
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/2.0
Focal Length (35mm Equiv)	35 mm
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	72 dpi
Vertical Resolution	72 dpi
Image Created	2014:09:30 22:04:03
Exposure Time	1/100 sec
F-Number	f/2.2
Exposure Program	Manual
ISO Speed Rating	400
Lens Aperture	f/2.2
Brightness	2.2 EV
Exposure Bias	0 EV
Metering Mode	Pattern
Light Source	Other
Flash	No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	35.00 mm
Color Space Information	sRGB
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Manual
White Balance	Manual
Scene Capture Type	Standard
Contrast	Soft
Saturation	High
Sharpness	Normal

File: k01pentax07.jpg (197KB, 818x521px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 818x521px

>>3042361
So much this. The moment I picked up an F5 I knew it was the right camera for me, and that led to me buying a D3x.
They look great, and they feel great.

>>3042297
It always gets hated on, but I am very fond of the K01.
Possibly because I have a thing for yellow, but I also like the simple design, and it's surprisingly comfortable, and small enough to not be a bother when carrying it around.

I'm a big fan of Marc Newson, so maybe I'm a little biased.

>>3044006
That LCD is killing it.

File: 82ec1299aa5a4d61193258aa58021db1.jpg (14KB, 500x333px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 500x333px

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Image-Specific Properties:
Image Created	2014:08:05 15:11:58

File: images.jpg (5KB, 275x183px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 275x183px

>>3044010
I'm really quasi on Marc Newson's psudo Bauhaus design. He's alright but everything seems specifically designed for Details, or GQ magazine and makes me think of Axe Cologne

>>3044016
>I'm really quasi

neck yourself before you wreck yourself my dude

>>3044012
if I wanted a worse a6000, I'd get the NEX-7

File: fullsizeoutput_7fa.jpg (2MB, 3264x2101px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3264x2101px

I don't care if they say is feminine. I like it.

>>3044010
>good design
>mirrorless with none of the advantages of a mirrorless
>same flange distance as an SLR with none of the advantages of an SLR
kek

>>3042884
So you can fit bigger lenses on and the top of the prism housing can hold the GPS antenna and board.
The GPS antenna is a thick slab of metal on ceramics, it is very limiting with such an angled housing.

>>3044011
Nah its good, i'd much rather have the aperture/shutter info visible on the lcd than no lcd whatsoever.

File: penf-8.jpg (653KB, 2048x1365px) Image search: [Google]

653KB, 2048x1365px

>>3044195
The Pen F is sweet looking as hell, too bad it's so overpriced and ultimately not that good.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	300 dpi
Vertical Resolution	300 dpi
Color Space Information	sRGB

>>3044315
If pen F were around $600 instead of 1k it'd be a pretty sweet camera to tote around casually. Esp with a pancake lens.

>>3043466
you forgot about Zenit/KMZ

File: weapon_8ks35_front_ssd_full-2.png (158KB, 978x513px) Image search: [Google]

158KB, 978x513px

>>3042297
> industrial design
You posted retro hipster design.

Industrial design is a bit more like this, a sparsely decorated box with buttons. Could be more sparsely decorated, though.

>>3044369
Look up what industrial design is.

>>3042833
It is a modern body but only available by direct order from RICOH. Their webshop is anything but modern though.

>>3044365
We didn't, we just don't care about useless junk.

>>3044315

Massive and overpriced.

The exact opposite of what m43 should be.

File: 800px-Zorki4.jpg (79KB, 800x630px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 800x630px

>>3044690
Wash your mouth. Those cameras will be around till the end of times.

>>3044702
Zorkis, feds and zenits are very fragile if accuracy is at all important.

Drop any fed and it will be fucked.

File: _MG_0004.jpg (559KB, 1000x667px) Image search: [Google]

559KB, 1000x667px

>>3044702
My Zorki 4K made in 1974 works perfectly. Even the slow speeds (that have a winding spring to hold the curtains). Feels like a tank. Although what >>3044704 says is probably true.

I like the unique warm of the slightly radioactive Industar lenses.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Canon
Camera Model	Canon EOS 1000D
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.9 (Macintosh)
Photographer	Edgar Rubio Rodilla
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/4.6
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	240 dpi
Vertical Resolution	240 dpi
Image Created	2017:03:23 11:54:35
Exposure Time	1/13 sec
F-Number	f/8.0
Exposure Program	Aperture Priority
ISO Speed Rating	400
Lens Aperture	f/8.0
Exposure Bias	0 EV
Subject Distance	0.44 m
Metering Mode	Pattern
Flash	Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	37.00 mm
Color Space Information	sRGB
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Auto
White Balance	Auto
Scene Capture Type	Standard

>>3044467
If you take the strict meaning every camera we are at all likely to discuss is "a" industrial design.

That wasn't the point, right? I'll instead again state that retro hipster shit isn't good industrial design, functionally designed boxes are.

File: _MG_0004-2.jpg (628KB, 750x1000px) Image search: [Google]

628KB, 750x1000px

>>3044709
Also, this light meter. It has a selenium cell that should have been depleted 20 years ago. It still works accurately. Just how.

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Canon
Camera Model	Canon EOS 1000D
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.9 (Macintosh)
Photographer	Edgar Rubio Rodilla
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/5.0
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	240 dpi
Vertical Resolution	240 dpi
Image Created	2017:03:23 11:58:49
Exposure Time	0.4 sec
F-Number	f/6.3
Exposure Program	Aperture Priority
ISO Speed Rating	100
Lens Aperture	f/6.3
Exposure Bias	0 EV
Metering Mode	Pattern
Flash	Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	39.00 mm
Color Space Information	sRGB
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Auto
White Balance	Auto
Scene Capture Type	Standard

>>3044711
"Leningrad", kek, those Soviets didn't sugarcoat it

File: images.jpg (5KB, 192x144px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 192x144px

nothing beats the look of the old pen f

>>3044283
KP doesnt have any fucking GPS. And it wouldn't need to be so tall if it didn't protrude forward of the mount so much.

>>3044709
I'll second the love for FSU cameras. I have a fed 4 but would love a Zorki. The slower speeds on mine are a bit slow but I mainly shoot b&w so I can usually get away with it.

>>3044011

Confirmed for having never actually shot glorious Nikon

The camera it was based on had a film counter in that window.

>>3044704

can confirm mine survived the Cold War, glasnost, the dreadful Breznev years, Soviet stagflation, the fall of the Iron Curtain, literally survived the beginning of the Ukrainian conflict in Kiev with Russian separatists, 2 round-trip flights to the Ukraine, couldn't survive a 2 foot drop.

>>3044710
>If you take the strict meaning every camera we are at all likely to discuss is "a" industrial design.
That's literally his point. Industrial design literally means mass market product design.

File: 14_s.jpg (38KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 480x360px

>2017
Hipsters and old people brought back 60s design. It's ok, but it's boring. Most modern cameras look like they were made in the non radical part of the 90s. Luckily, Sigma saves the day once again, and we finally have something that looks like its made 21st century.


>>3042297
Nikon DF design is pathetic. This camera made me quit Nikon, and i'm not joking

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Hasselblad
Camera Model	Hasselblad H5D-200MS
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop CC 2015 (Macintosh)
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/inf
Image-Specific Properties:
Pixel Composition	RGB
Image Orientation	Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution	350 dpi
Vertical Resolution	350 dpi
Image Created	2016:02:22 18:45:11
Exposure Time	30.0 sec
ISO Speed Rating	50
Color Space Information	sRGB
Image Width	480
Image Height	360

>>3045270

>hey, lets make the handrest smaller so it is much harder to hold

That is my number one complaint about Sony's a7. Your pinky just falls off and it feels awkward. You need a grip just to feel comfortable holding it.

>>3045282
>amerifat burger ham hands detected

>>3045283

I weight 45 kilos actually.

Before you ask, 172 cm tall.

>>3045270
>This camera made me quit Nikon, and i'm not joking
You're an idiot.
>Hurrr this one camera is not to my liking
>Better drop the entire brand, because obviously as a Nikon user EVERY camera they release should be aimed at ME

>>3045284
>kilos and cm

The fuck you doing?

>>3042394
>silver painted plastic
this and blue LEDs will make everything look cheap.

>>3045284
Eat something, holy fug

>>3045282
That's the problem with many mirrorless cameras. I don't even have large hands and still many cams' (especially sonys for some reason) handling is god awful.

File: vl.jpg (194KB, 634x426px) Image search: [Google]

194KB, 634x426px

>>3045287
Why shouldn't I drop something that isn't aimed at me?
I started photographing 13-14 years ago, with an FE, and was wanting a digital F style camera ever since.

First they annoyed me with having shit lens compatibility on cheaper(smaller) bodies(because good camera has to be BIG???). I can get over lack of bracketing on entry level cameras, but not with my manual Nikon lenses(that they still sell brand new) working better on entry level Canon then on my Nikon D80/D90. That is unacceptable.

After that, they broke my dreams with Nikon 1 mirrorless line. It could be a good lightweight telephoto kit, but that's definitely not what I wanted.

Then this Nikon DF finally hits after at least a DECADE of people begging for it, and its a low effort abortion with a plastic kit lens. HA! That was just the last straw for me. It is a great example of their decline.

File: 78 - i_can_fap_to_this macro wade_barrett wwe.jpg (84KB, 461x361px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 461x361px

>>3045308

>shot originally on FE
>has tons of manual focus Nikkor glass
>Nikon releases Df with a fucking god damn D4 sensor aimed specifically at people like you
>it's essentially a digital FE
>hurr pee said it's a meme camera so they must be right

Sucks for you. I just got one and it's titties.

>mfw D4 sensor that weighs less than a rabble

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Camera Software	Adobe Photoshop CS5 Windows
Image-Specific Properties:
Image Width	461
Image Height	361
Number of Bits Per Component	8, 8, 8
Pixel Composition	RGB
Image Orientation	Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution	72 dpi
Vertical Resolution	72 dpi
Image Created	2012:02:09 15:45:15
Color Space Information	Uncalibrated
Image Width	461
Image Height	361

>>3045308
what's that voigtlander compact in the photo?

>>3046221
Honestly, the biggest thing they dropped the ball on was the focus screen in my opinion. If you're going to go muh retro, go with the bright viewfinder for f2/2.8 lenses and a type K screen.

>>3045308
>I have all these manual lenses
>Hurrr DF is bad because of kit lens
You know you don't have to buy the kit right?

>>3046224
Voigtländer Vitessa

>>3046238
You can change the focusing screen yourself in like 5minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIm9fT-tnzk

>>3045308

SEMEN DEMON

File: iOXHD19CA.jpg (54KB, 574x460px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 574x460px

>>3046221
>>3046391
Its not bad because of the kit lens, that's just tragicomical considering the price. It's bad because of the size and weight, and because of the design. Its not a digital F, its an ugly, heavy, fat fusion of the old and new. They just took a DSLR and slapped some retro dials and chrome. Its an ordinary DSLR in an overpriced disguise. They were too lazy and cheap to put a bit of effort into it. I'm glad Fuji took some of their customers (I don't use Fuji, but they did a much better job).

>>3046982
>Df
>PASM dial

That's how you discuss the Df. It is literally a form factor rework of the D610 with a different sensor.

>>3046982

>heavy
>confirmed for having never shot with one

Please, the Df is a featherweight compared to some of the stuff I've shot.

>>3046982
>Compact lightweight D4
>Bad
You're an idiot.

>>3047243

this.

Don't understand why the Df gets so much hate here. Even I was skeptical of it when I first bought it but since I've learned how to use it I can't put it down.

If you have spent any length of time shooting fully-mechanical film cameras you will love this thing. I would probably bet the farm the D4 sensor comprehensively shits all over every single retro-styled camera out there by a Texas mile.

File: 10692436833_53c17fe018_z.jpg (127KB, 640x424px) Image search: [Google]

127KB, 640x424px

>>3047243
No you are. I didn't say it's a bad camera, its a full frame Nikon DSLR after all, BUT I DON'T WANT a """""lightweight""""" D4. Do you have reading comprehension issues?
Also, it's retarded to call this a "compact, lightweight D4" because it shoots 5FPS, has worse auto focus(which isn't a problem at all, but isn't that one of the key reasons to own a D4?), worse battery life, one card slot, probably worse weather sealing, and top exposure of 1/4000s.

>>3047259
>Don't understand why the Df gets so much hate here.
Because it's not a digital Nikon F.

>If you have spent any length of time shooting fully-mechanical film cameras you will love this thing.
There are other options on the market that imitate fully-mechanical film cameras better.

>>3047259
>If you have spent any length of time shooting fully-mechanical film cameras you will love this thing.
You fat stupid fucking retard, don't you badmouth Fuji all the time? Fuji actually accomplishes this tenfold better.

No wonder truckers bully you about your stupid cat t-shirts designed for fat teenage girls.

>>3047359
>BUT I DON'T WANT a """""lightweight""""" D4
>It's a bad camera because it's not what I want
Jesus christ, get your head out of your ass. Not every product is aimed at you. You act like you, and you alone, are the target market for Nikon products.

>>3047359
>Because it's not a digital Nikon F.
Who said it was?

The F stands for fusion. It's a fusion of old and new. It was never supposed to be just a digital F

>>3047368

Fuji makes digital cameras? Didn't even know that, thanks for the tip.

>>3047492
>It's a bad camera because it's not what I want
I wasn't serious earlier, but it seems you really have reading difficulties. Nobody discussed the basic functionality of this camera. Read the name of the thread...

>You act like you, and you alone, are the target market for Nikon products.
Again, it looks like you didn't follow the thread carefully. I know that very well, and we got to see what they think their alternative target market is with Nikon 1 and more recently with those wtf extremely late to the party action cams...

I was called out because I wrote that i gave up on Nikon after they released the Df (it wasn't the only reason, just one more sign they are lazily resting on their laurels). It wasn't just me who wanted a digital Nikon F. In fact, there is no doubt whatsover that waaaaay more people wanted FM3D then this uncanny "fusion".

I don't understand why it bothers you that some people hate Df with a (deserved) passion. If you like it, why do you care? These days, i mostly use Sigma cameras, which most people ridicule, and I don't go out of my way to preach the Foveon gospel to them. Flaws they bring up are true anyway.

>>3047054

The heaviest thing you could shoot is yourself... how about you impress us? ;)

File: 1137s-1999.jpg (2MB, 2000x1376px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2000x1376px

>>3047525

>implying I haven't already committed photographic seppuku

[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]

Camera-Specific Properties:
Equipment Make	Canon
Camera Model	Canon EOS 5D
Maximum Lens Aperture	f/4.6
Image-Specific Properties:
Horizontal Resolution	72 dpi
Vertical Resolution	72 dpi
Image Created	2015:08:11 22:39:43
Exposure Time	1/125 sec
F-Number	f/6.3
Exposure Program	Normal Program
ISO Speed Rating	400
Lens Aperture	f/6.3
Exposure Bias	-1 EV
Metering Mode	Pattern
Flash	No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length	70.00 mm
Rendering	Normal
Exposure Mode	Auto
White Balance	Manual
Scene Capture Type	Standard

>>3047521
Get a digital Leica or a Epson R-D1 if you want the "mechanical film camera experience".

>Inb4 but Leicas are expensive
Of course they're expensive, they cater to a small niche market that wants to keep using the outdated retro designs and old school way of working. These kind of products sell only a fraction of the amount what regular modern cameras sell, so their profit margins must be excellent to keep the business afloat.
Also, Leica has achieved a meme status among photographers so they can pretty much price their products as they please and some people will still buy their shit (a manual focus 28mm f/5.6 lens for 2500usd for example).

>Inb4 I don't want a Leica, I want a digital F/FM/FE/whatever.
Well, you're out of luck then. The market for these kind of cameras just isn't large enough to justify Nikon or Canon to pour millions in development costs just to produce a series of 2000 cameras. Or if they someday will produce a "digital F", its going to cost like 10000usd, essentially same as a modern digital Leica.

>>3047521
>it seems you really have reading difficultie
>BUT I DON'T WANT a """""lightweight""""" D4
Your whole argument is that it's not a camera you want, therefore that makes it bad.

>It wasn't just me who wanted a digital Nikon F
So you're just butthurt that you assumed the DF meant digital F, but because that's not what it actually is you are whining and quit an entire brand?

>>3047551
>These kind of products sell only a fraction of the amount what regular modern cameras sell, so their profit margins must be excellent to keep the business afloat.
What is Fuji?

>>3047551
>Inb4 I don't want a Leica, I want a digital F/FM/FE/whatever.
That's what i WANTED, because I had neat manual Nikkor glass(i sold all of it right after Df debacle).

>>3047695
>Your whole argument is that it's not a camera you want, therefore that makes it bad.
No, I explained why it's bad from a design perspective. You can call that subjective, what's fat to me may be normal to you. Americans have different standards for that anyway. I'M SURE IT'S A GOOD (if a bit overpriced)DSLR, but it's !!!!! U G L Y !!!!!, and disappointing. It's not just to me, it's ugly for people who have taste, and it's disappointing to legions of Nikon film shooters.

>So you're just butthurt that you assumed the DF meant digital F,
I wasn't the only one to assume that. You would remember this if you didn't pick up photography(or shilling) last year.

>whining and quit an entire brand?
I didn't quit it just because of Df, that was just the final straw, i wrote that before... I quit an entire brand because what Nikon offers today is not what i want. I quit it because they remove basic features and lens compatibility from their smaller cameras(they got a bit less horrendous with that in the last several years, but are still the only brand that sells a DSLR without a bracketing function), because they are afraid of innovation both with bodies and lenses, because they are too cheap to properly honor their legacy, their fans, and their manual lenses that they still SELL BRAND NEW, and because lately it looks like they really don't know what they are doing apart from their well established DSLR lineup(Nikon 1, and more recently KeyMission).

It may be a great option for working pros, but it isn't for me. I don't see the problem here.

>>3042310
Sonyggers get out REEEEEEEEE

>>3047998
>I sold all my nikkor glass because of one camera
>Hurrr it's not about that one camera
Jesus, you are literally retarded.

>>3048097
Why am I retarded exactly? English is not my first language, so i'm not sure if my writing was unclear.
I sold all my glass because I didn't like the Df, but if for example Nikon 1 turned out differently, and was aimed at people like me I wouldn't have quit the brand entirely. I don't see the contradiction.

Btw, I didn't just keep the lenses and migrate to Sony A7 instead back then, because I had bad experience with NEX-7 previously (mysterious loss of sharpness in the corners, purple corners with some lenses, autistically designed menus). It wouldn't be an optimal substitute for FM3D anyway.

>>3048116
>I sold all my glass because I didn't like the Df
This is why you're retarded. You sold all your lenses because ONE camera wasn't what you like.

>>3048172
One camera that was supposed to make them as enjoyable to use as they were on a film body... Without a suiting digital body (and i wrote above why i didn't get a Sony) they were not so useful to me. I don't want to hoard stuff i rarely use, so I sold them to buy something else which was better suited for my photographic needs. I stopped shooting 35mm years ago,I rarely used them on digital, so why would I want to keep them?

>>3048177
And what exactly about the DF makes them not as enjoyable to use?

They work exactly the same on that camera as a film camera.

>>3047998
>What is Fuji?
Fuji is a through and through modern camera dressed to look like a retro film one, just like the Df. It isn't really a digital version of some old camera like Leicas or the Epson, but a completely modern design with modern features.

>>3048182
Df works like any other modern camera, the bad usability is just a meme. If you want to use it like a FM, just put it in M and disable auto-ISO etc.
The biggest problem with the Df is the size, even though it is among the lightest and smallest FF DSLRs (it's the same size as a Canon 6D). The mirrorless cameras such as the A7 are of course smaller, but that's due to their short flange distance and the lack of a mirror. Even the smallest DSLRs like the EOS 100D/SL1 will always be quite a lot larger than the comparative mirrorless cameras due to these restrictions.

>>3045282
Every single time I see someone complain about their fucking pinky finger not fitting on the grip, I think "what a fucking idiot." Yes, that's you. Go buy a giant amorphous blob DSLR and be done with it.