where does /p/ exibit the stuff they do and why? I feel like

>>2997519
These instas are so annoying to follow. Nobody wants to see three random white posts in their feed and then 9 random ass pieces of some photo that aren't even that interesting to begin with.

Stop using a gimmick to compensate for not having anything worthwhile to share. In the same space it took you to show three mediocre photos I could've shown 33. Nobody wants to visit your website to see full-res versions when we already have to go to your full profile just to see them cut into pieces.

Abort.

>>2997537
well that was a bit rough, but i get what you mean.

no input on the other platform?

>>2997519
Instagram is utter shit, it punishes you if you have a shit smartphone, (I have a 1st gen Moto G), and it's such a terrible UI. The computer version of the app is equally shit and I stopped using it within a day.

>Tumblr
I used Tumblr but I wanted it as a photoblog for my friends. Ironically one photo got quite popular and a bunch of strangers started to follow me and read my person stuff intended for my friends. Also it doesn't have the friendlies UI when it comes to photos, although it looks quite good.

I finally got Flickr and it's perfect. Not bloggy, but a very nice photo layout that scaled great with screens. The networking features are good and the app is great. They do try to shill their 3rd party services hard though but whatever. It's a great photo delivery platform.

>>2997543
the problem with flickr is nobody takes it seriously anymore. you may have a great gallery but what does it matter if the only views are from bots and you're competing with people who post hundreds of snapshits from their kids' soccer games SOOC?

>>2997543
>>2997546

I also gave consideration to gurushots, but it's a.. wierd platform?

>>2997546
I mainly host it for friends and family, so I don't care about views or popularity, As for snapshits, yes, my gf's mom added me on it and looking through her stuff there is literally 500 pictures of snapshits as you've described. Whatever I suppose.

It is quite nice to get a pro liking your work from time to time :>

>>2997547
I have no idea what that is.

>>2997538
I use Instagram but just post your photos, man. the thing is that you might have some actual good photos but they're going to be drowned out by something that might not land as well. And when every photo takes up 6-9 times as much room in your feed then you don't have much reaching power.

I feel like you're shorting yourself on how many likes and comments you're going to receive as well, as a viewer, which do I like? The first? Last? Random one in the middle or edge? Also just from your standpoint what's the gratification of having a photo that combined gets 30 likes but every piece only has 2-5?

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything I just think from the perspective of someone trying to follow you. This thing might be interesting if a client was looking up your page from a business card but at that point you might as well just use a personal website to display your images. Instagram isn't a good gallery app, maybe try this in VSCO, I'm not super familiar with it but I hear people use it to curate what they post on Instagram.

This is just too inconvenient for other people who are inevitably following other blogs. For a majority of the things you post you're just going to end up being someone they swipe their finger over really fast in their feed to get back to the other posts there. Since people skip past you in their feed you are relying on them to remember to search for you or tap your name to view what you're posting. Unless you post some top-level shit–you're simply asking too much. And once your stream of 9 posts makes them miss a post from their best friend or someone they really like, they're just going to unfollow you because it's become a burden to have you in their feed.

Just get your own domain, tumblr has a lot of themes and if you really get into it you can run a site that wouldn't resemble anything to a standard teeniebop tumblr blog.

>>2997551

i'd defo recommend you look it up, basically a page where people post their stuff and can participate in contests that are paid if you win.

Users vote for other users, and it's not that bad actually, but not necessarily a great platform for displaying individual content

>>2997553

i actually just thought that the way I was grid displaying them showed better quality overall while using 9 panels. it didn't even occur to me that people are getting puzzle pieces in their feed *facedesk*

>>2997556
>so when somebody looks it up on a feed, it's like random puzzle pieces.

>>2997565

glad you participate in the discussion

I put photos up on Flickr sometimes but I only use it for myself. I use it to force myself to curate my work and have somewhere that I can """publish""" my best photos and have an archive of them. The social aspect of the site is fucking cancer and it's dying anyway and I don't care enough to properly tag my photos and put them in groups or whatever so I don't get many views or comments from bots giving me a bunch of awards.

I'm not really motivated to get my photos out there or anything and I think every photo website is terrible or a huge pain in the ass in one way or another. I guess if I was willing to put in a bit more effort then I would use a tumblr or some other blog type site so that I could come up with a nice layout and all that.

Maybe I'm just jaded and bitter but the longer I've been into photography the less I care whether anybody else sees my photos or gives a shit about them. I'll look at others people's work but I don't really want to socialize with other photographers and most of them are boring gearfags anyway.

>>2997519
Flicker can be okay to display photos, but I find that it's useless as a social network. Instagram can be very useful if you use it properly. Here's a few things that can help with your instagram

A good way is to know your hashtags. It's a bad idea to just spam the biggest hashtags like #instagood #earthporn #etc. Your images will get pushed down so fast, nobody will get a chance to see them. The things you should be aiming for are:

1: getting to be one of the nine "top photos" for a certain hashtag. This will ensure that you will have a larger audience for your photos because your photo will be displayed for roughly a day or so on that hashtag. Im not 100% sure how instagrams algorithm works for determining the top photos but you definitely will not get to be a top photo on the big hashtags, so just dont waste your space (instagram will think it's spam if you hashtag too much) so pick wisely. It's a good idea to monitor the hashtags you post to see which ones you're capable of getting on. For example. I'm getting roughly 200-300 likes in the first 3 hours of my photo being up, and I can usually get to the top of hashtags that have been used 100,000-300,000 times. You should constantly monitor this to know which relevant hashtags to target. If the hashtag is too small, like only 2,000 uses, you're not getting an audience. And if you're using a hashtag that has 500 Million uses, there's no chance someone will see it. You need to be aware of that sweet spot for you, and try hitting that the best you can. However, don't avoid hashtags because of that, just think in terms of getting maximum viewing

2: Get your image shared. Obviously there are a lot of pages on instagram that share your images, and they will require you to follow their page before they will share it. So find the pages that your work fits in with and make sure to keep a note somewhere of these pages, so you won't forget about them when you're posting

>>2997519
>>2997739
3: Make a draft in your email of hashtags that will always apply to your images like #sonya7 #canonimages etc. then fill out the rest of your hashtags and email it to yourself. this will just save you time and effort in the long run.

4: It's probably common knowledge, but you can also comment your hashtags. So if you think you might be running the risk of instagram thinking your photo is spam because of too many hashtags, just post the image and in the first comment just put the rest of them, and it will also show up from that.

5: Interact with people. Just go through relevant hashtags on instagram and start liking photos, hundreds at a time. Maybe a comment every once in a while. it will make it far more likely for these people to notice you and come like your page, or at least like some of your photos back, making it more likely to push your image to be a top photo within your hashtags.

Hope this helps.

>>2997740
Out of curiosity, why do you and others put this much effort into whoring your photos out? Do you sell prints from all these Instagram views or what?

>>2997745
I sell prints, but not from instagram. Putting effort into showing your photos should be important, shouldn't it? Not that IG followers should be your end goal, but I gained nearly 3k followers this year, by using hashtags properly. Having a large audience will make it more useful down the line or even getting small gigs here and there. I havent started pushing for anything beyond just gaining an audience.

If you're posting photos would you rather have 100 people seeing them, or 4,000? I think you've got an odd way of looking at it, it's not whoring out or selling out, it's just part of photography now

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>>2997748
>>2997740
>>2997739
This is why most popular internet photography is so shit. "Photographers" like this guy spend more time and effort hawking their mediocre knockoffs instead of practicing their métier or refining their talent (if they even had any in the first place). Sad.

There was a time when even the most humble craftsmen could have pride in their work. But people like you treat it like nothing more than a generic entrepreneurial endeavour; the actual object you're selling couldn't matter less as long as the virtual number on your screen keep going up. Followers on instagram? Zeroes in your bank account? There's no variable capable of quantifying just how much your continued existence impoverishes visual culture. My advice: stop breathing.

>>2997748
I would probably rather have 100 people who are actually interested in seeing my work than 4000 bots or fellow firstnamelastnames who are just liking my shit to get repaid in more likes. But really I don't care either way because I'm a hobby photographer taking photos for my own enjoyment and I have zero interest in exposure or gigs or sales or any of that.

So do you find yourself intentionally shooting for your target audience, then? I find it kind of odd that you're doing what sounds a whole lot like work solely to get likes, but I guess it could be a hobby in itself.

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>tfw you memed Kaz into picking up a trip again
>tfw it's paying off already
Please, never drop the trip. It's a great way for me to follow your posts on /p/. Looking forward to your next post!
>>2997739
>>2997740
but it's okay when you do it, right?
>>2997764
It's okay if your work has no merit if it's technically stunning and sells, art, true artistic expression is dead :^)

>>2997519
I use a personal website and exhibit in galleries. It's hard to take someone seriously in the fine art world that uses services like 500px, flickr, etc. Don't get me wrong I love these places and had them for a long time but eventually if you go fine art you have to drop them. If you're rolling commercial on the other hand then you should have them.

>>2997822
Glad you're following my posts, and my instagram. Notice that was posted yesterday, and has 400+ likes? Several of the hashtags were 1.9million posts, and got into the top posts. It works. And yeah, I'm keeping the trip.

>but it's okay when you do it, right?
What does that mean? Yeah, its okay if everyone does that, everyone wants a larger audience, and if you don't, you're either lying or stupid.

>>2997764
Coming from the guy posting a fucking anime on a photography board. How can I take you or your advice seriously?

>>2997776
>I would probably rather have 100 people who are actually interested in seeing my work than 4000 bots
Why not have 4,000 followers with 500 people that actually like your stuff instead of only 100 that like it?

>So do you find yourself intentionally shooting for your target audience, then?
No, I shoot a lot of stuff but I post only certain images on Instagram that people will like. I have hundreds of photos that I will never post on instagram, simply because the stuff that works well in person on a print, might not work on instagram. So yeah, I'll post a lot of recognizable places, but I stay away from posting stuff that people won't connect with. But at a show, when I have my prints there, I'll also have the rest of the stuff there.

I'm not saying you have to use instagram. I was simply answering the OPs question, telling him how to use instagram in a way that helps

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>>2997840
yeah i've really got to present myself more professionally on the chinese hand-painted cartoon image board or else a random brotographer won't take me seriously

>>2997854
not saying you have to. I'm just saying that I probably won't listen to a single thing you're saying or take it seriously when you'll post an anime reaction image before you'd think about posting a photo that you've taken. I'll still read what you write, just won't really take it to heart

>>2997840
>>2997854
>>2997859

I have intel on a notroious /p/ shitposter that goes under the name Android18'sAss

he uses several hours creating massive shitposts on /p/

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>>2997859
>not saying you have to. I'm just saying that I probably won't listen to a single thing you're saying or take it seriously when you'll post an anime reaction image before you'd think about posting a photo that you've taken
I feel the same way. I've instantly discarded your opinion since it has no photo attached.

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>>2997869
Not sure what you're implying

>>2997874
Sorry, heres a photo that this guy >>2997822
was trying to roast me for posting on instagram.

I see your photo, and it's not my style, so I might not take your advice on technical or photography advice, but I'd be willing to take your advice on other aspects of photography

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>>2997869
>Android18'sAss
I can get behind this.

>>2997882
I'm not implying anything.

>>2997740
>So if you think you might be running the risk of instagram thinking your photo is spam because of too many hashtags, just post the image and in the first comment just put the rest of them, and it will also show up from that.

Just adding to this: the maximum amount of hashtags you can use on one picture is 30 and if you go over, your picture won't have any description text at all

>>2997882
kek I remember you. You're that obnoxious cunt that said he'd never post another photo to /p/ because someone found your social media after you acted like a pretentious little faggot. Why are you still here exactly? I'm sure reddirt would love to have you.

>>2997945
Thanks. I wasn't sure what the max amount was.

>>2998002
Yeah I think I said that like 8 months ago. I've changed my mind since then. However, I don't think I'm being pretentious right now, I only offered advice on helping out OP with using instagram

>>2997598
this. I can definitely relate. Insta is shit, all of the real followers have been taken by the early insta-grammers.

>>2999011
I don't think that's true. It's just that the early instagrammers have been on there for a longer period of time. I know it sounds shitty, but you have to hit a sort of critical mass to get your instagram booming. The ultimate thing to gain followers is for big pages to share your images, and the best images aren't necessarily the ones chosen to be shared.

Like I said in my earlier posts
>>2997739
>>2997740
To be seen by these larger pages and larger groups of people, you need to get the the "top photos" under specific hashtags. So once you get a larger active follower base, the chances of you being seen rise dramatically. Thats why someone with 100 followers will never get their image seen on a popular hashtag, it just gets pushed down so fast nobody will see it. But if you have 15k followers, and just 10% of them like your photo (which is doable) then all of the sudden your images will be trending within certain hashtags if you've done it properly.

Theres still room on instagram, you just need to put in time on it.