Photokina 2016 General Alright /p/, the biggest event in /p

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For starters - panasonic GH5

marketed as 6K camera that does 6K only in burst mode. LOL

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Sony just announced the A99 II

>42.5 mpix
>IBIS
>12 fps burst with tracking
>399 af points
>4k at 100mbps
>priced at 3200 usd

not too bad though a bit pricey.

>>2928467
So far this thread offers:
>gearfagging
>a dpreview video
>a panasonic camera
and
>a sony camera

Man. This is off to a great start.

>>2928467
>A99 II
WHY

>>2928476
yeah they shouldve abandoned the fucking A since theyre so focused on E.
It will be dead and forgotten in a few months just like K-1.

>>2928467

ANY NEW FILM CAMERA ANNOUNCED?

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Fuji about to announce their medium format as well. Too bad you need your kids sold to slavery to afford those.

>>2928468
So does the Sony a6300, via downsampling the footage form 6k, less crop and sharper image.

better though
>inbody stabilization
>10bit 4k@30fps
>8bit 4k@60fps

SImilar for the G80.
The G80 is $1000 on amazon preorder though, so wtf?

>>2928488
Even if there will be anything with film, i dont think it will hit today as the show starts tomorrow so today is reserved for all the big announcements you know. Film is not that kinda big anymore ;^)

>>2928489
HOLY FUCK YES

>>2928488
Yeah Leica sofort

>>2928476
>WHY
to ass rape Sony fanboys some more

>>2928467
>Nikon announces fucking action cams
NIKON SHOOTERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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So, Nikon only announced the fucking action cam? Was there anything else? Did any of you watch the livestream?

>>2928489
>Fuji about to announce their medium format as well.
>sensor not square

D R O P P E D

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a bunch of chinese guys called Fine Young Innovators or something just made a new m43 camera

and two lenses with fake focus rings
I shit you not - focus ring does not rotate, it's autofocus only

>>2928525
The zoom has a real focus ring though. 42.5mm will be fine even without a focus ring if the price will be less than 100 usd.

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 ART

Sigma 12-24mm f/4 ART

Sigma 500mm f/4 OS Sport

>>2928489
>Too bad you need your kids sold to slavery to afford those.
Or I could sell my 645Z. We'll see, it depends on how good the lenses are, otherwise it'll be more of a cross-grade than an upgrade.
The Pentax 28-45mm and 90mm lenses are god-tier, but so damn expensive, I really hope this system will come in at under $3000 per lens, so that I can actually own some new glass.

>>2928512
Sensor manufacturers make the MF world go round, if a sensor that size or shape isn't made, the camera isn't either. Although, FWIW, the mount of the camera looks a heck of a lot bigger than the sensor, because you can still see the top edge from a downward angle. You can bet your ass there'll be a model with bigger sensor down the line.

>>2928531
>if the price will be less than 100 usd
I wouldn't count on that. Pana/Oly equivalents are both $300+.

Zoom is useless (unless it's really fucking good at 12mm) since used Pana/Oly kit lenses are ultra cheap.

>>2928537
>The Yi M1 Mirrorless camera with standard zoom lens is priced at 2199 Yuan ($330), while the camera with the dual lens kit is priced at 2999 Yuan ($450)

>>2928536

I WANT A SQUARE FUCKING SENSOR
WITH RETRACTABLE SCREEN SO I CAN PUT IT HORIZONTAL
AND A MODE TO FLIP THE HORIZONTAL VIEW SO YOU GET REAL WLF VIEW (TM)

>>2928539
That doesn't mean we can get the lens separately for that price. Lolympus will sell you a two-lens kit for $100 more than a regular kit, but that 40-150 costs $200 when sold separately.

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Fujifilm GFX 50S goes official boys

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closeups

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and the lenses

>>2928553
>>2928556
>>2928558

WHO CARESSSS

WHATS THE SENSOR SIZE

>>2928561
44x33, same as 645z and q1d
not square m8

>>2928561
44x33, no other viable options available

>>2928558
that tiny 63mm 2.8 looks sweet as fuck to be honest family

>>2928469
>1024x768 viewfinder
>on a $3000+ camera in 2016

srsly

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>>2928489

lol hassleblad X1D is a rehoused Fujifilm GFX and gonna cost 2x lesser.

this is Xpan bullshit all over again boys

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>>2928568

FUCK THEM IN THE ASS THEN. THAT SHIT NEEDS TO BE TWICE ITS SIZE TO MATCH A 645 CAMERA. I WANT MY 45MM TO BE A 45MM NOT THIS CROP BULLSHIT.

>>2928553
>mirrorless = thin + no shutter shock
>camera+lenses are all weather-sealed
>"well under $10k"

Is Pentax kill?

>>2928578
There's a hasslebad with a full 645 sensor if you've got the dough.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8411827820/fujfilm-announces-development-gfx-50s-medium-format-digital

Where were you when haslelblad is kill?

>>2928575
Why? Because you're too poor to own one?

>>2928590
DELET THIS

Q-QUICK! Someone post the 3d model of a classic digital hassy! We promise we can still innovate!

>>2928590
Hasslebad still has their high-end H5D series that's not going anywhere, and on paper X1D doesn't look that bad versus Fuji's version.

Now Pentax, on the other hand, is in a shitty spot because 645Z is 3x bulkier, more expensive to manufacture, and its silly PDAF system is not a big advantage. And they are currently in no position to design something completely new (especially since both of their previous forays into mirrorless were epic fails)

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>>2928590
>Superior Fujinon Glass
>F/2.0
>Medium Format
HASSELBLAD ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>Best Olympus pro lenses from the 4/3 era

>Now made by Panasonic because Olympus wastes time on shit like 12-50/6.3

I find this hilarious

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>>2928581
>well under 10k?
what did they mean by this

>>2928626
probably $8,999

This is probably a terrible idea but is anyone from /p/ going to photokina?

>>2928625
>implying the best Oly MFT isn't the 42.5mm 1.8

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>>2928629
It would take me a couple hours to drive there, but I don't see the point. All the gear I can feel up there I can already feel up in a shop, and actual new stuff is always in glass boxes so I can just as well look at it on dpreview or any other sites.

>>2928632
I'll laugh if the Chinese lens turns out to be better than both the 45/1.8 and 42.5/1.7. But I don't think so.

lolympus providing the laughs.
>better than APS-C

>>2928639
looks boring as fuck though

>>2928640
Medium format doesn't have a reputation for looking interesting in anyway.

The GX680 is probably the most interesting looking box MF camera.

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Alright boys Olympus has hit the stage with ton of new products

>E-M1 Mark II
>weather-sealed FL-900R flash
>25mm F1.2
>30mm F3.5 macro
>PEN E-PL8
>12-100mm F4 IS Pro

>>2928642
>Medium format doesn't have a reputation for looking interesting in anyway.

getta load of this pleb.

>>2928642
absolutely triggered

>>2928642
well, hasslebad can make an interesting looking camera, so why not fuji?

>>2928640
looks sleek and professional imo, not like that toy x1d

>>2928644
>IS
>on Olympus lenses
WHYYY?

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Size comparison to x-t2. Looks kinda compact for a medium huh. Dare I say even smaller than other full frames.

>>2928645
Go on and show your beautiful on the inside MF bb.
>>2928648
>Hasselblad
>interesting
took the bait just to post this.

>Olympus event over
>business as usual
Guess all those FF patents were just a ruse.

>>2928644
>E-M1 Mark II
Released much later because lol kumamoto though. Does it have handheld HR mode at least?

>25mm F1.2
Cool, but it's only half a stop over the Panaleica for double the price and triple the weight.

>30mm F3.5 macro
No doubt it'll be sharp, but that's a shit focal length for macro. Is it that hard to make a cheap 100+ mm equivalent macro?

>PEN E-PL8
Oh look, it's the exact same as E-PL7 with a few leather bits. Where is PDAF?

>12-100mm F4 IS Pro
This might be interesting, I don't remember anything with this kind of spec before. 1.3lb though.

>>2928654
The lens+body IS combo is insane on the 300mm. Slrgear got sharp 1 second handheld shots, that's at 600mm equivalent.

>>2928662
Lolympus is too small to support two systems at once. They might make optics for Sony, but I highly doubt they'll make a FF system in any foreseeable future.

>>2928657
Compare this >>2928575 to this >>2928639

>>2928656
They should've put it next to pantecks.

By the way, is Pentax even at Photokina?

>>2928677
Compare one modern digital trash looking camera to another modern digital trash looking camera box?

I guess you have a thing for boring cameras. An EOS 300 seems like it'd be your sort of thing.

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>>2928686
edgy

>>2928540
'blad announced just that as a prototype.

120 htz evf on the em1ii. I'm going the 43 path

>>2928701
until it's faster than optical there's no point

>>2928708
yeah 144 wouldve been the sweet spot but idk whats the xt2 have?

>>2928709
100.

Why doesn't anyone else use the same 1400x1050 panel from Leica SL? We've been stuck on 1024x768 for like five years, all while even $120 Chinese smartphones are Full HD.

>>2928715
phones are not 120hz tho... turn cam on your phone and pan around.

>>2928716
Phone screens typically refresh at 60.
But we're talking about 6 MP (FHD) or 11 MP (WQHD) versus the paltry 2.36 MP on camera viewfinders.

Same goes for rear LCDs, they are barely above 1 MP.

>The AF Targeting Pad feature will allow users to select the AF point by sliding their finger on the rear touch LCD while looking through the viewfinder.

holy shit why DSLR manufacturers don't do this?!

>>2928644
Where are the magical 4/3 sensor.
At least beg sony to make it bsi, copper and stacked.

>60 fps raw
Maybe it is stacked

>>2928727
Panasonic does this.
Which sometimes can be annoying since your cheek or nose can merss up the AF point when taking a shot.

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More in. Sigma announces 3 new lenses.
>85mm F1.4 DG HSM Art
>12-24mm F4 DG HSM Art
>500mm F4 DG OS HSM

>>2928639
It's kind of plain, but it's not ugly like those god awful Sony cameras.
Clean and functional.

>>2928525
S A M Y A N G
ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>2928727
Seems like a good way to mess with your AF points like >>2928736 said.

>>2928753
When the hell is Smegma going to make some FE lenses.

>>2928736
>>2928757
It only uses the bottom right corner of the screen though.

>>2928757
>When the hell is Smegma going to make some FE lenses.

Sigma only makes lenses for camera manufacturers.

>>2928671
>>2928730
>camera takes 1 second handheld exposures
>give it 60 frames per second

where's the logic? you can't take 60 1-second exposures per second

>>2928468
this will be the end of Panny if it doesn't have IBIS.

>>2928757
probably not soon, because with DSLR they can make one lens and then sell that to a very wide userbase (just by changing the mount/adjusting flange distance).

FF mirrorless market is comparably tiny in size, even if it is growing. Give it time and things might change. Same reason why Sigma releases so few Pentax lenses; they actually have to make separate production batches for them due to pentax still using a mechanical aperature lever (finally about to change), so they only make Pentax versions of their most popular/least mariginal products.

>>2928804
Maybe they can't cool the sensor efficiently for 4K@60.

>>2928753
85mm looks fucking huge though

>>2928469
The only interesting part I see is the 79 PDAF points on SLT + 399 PDAF points on sensor. Everything else is pretty much gutted from the A7RII. Guess we'll have real 3D AF tracking now? Looking forward to AF reviews against DSLRs.

>>2928814
If it's as good as the 50mm Art, the only real competition will be Otus, and that one is fuckhuge as well.

>>2928804
It does have IBIS
Also, the 6K downsampling to 4K is absolutely normal, the Sony a6300 does it too. creates a sharper image and reduces sensorcrop

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Meitz M400 unveiled
looks like a competitor to nissin i40

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>>2928823
>It does have IBIS
[Citation needed]

>>2928825
Because the G80/81/85 has and there is literally no reason it can't have IBIS

>>2928804
>MFT_will_die_any_minute_now.jpeg

>>2928831
Rest of Panny's announcement stated IBIS multiple times. GH5 had no mention whatsoever. Have fun backpedaling next year.

>>2928834
>>2928834
The GH5 has a lot of stuff not mentioned yet.
Look at how much info is out on the LX10 or the G80 on their website. dozens of videos, 19 on the G80 alone. The GH5 has one, its own preview without any features stated.

>>2928467
Great thread OP. Wish there were more threads like this but this is the first time there are camera news that isn't just a single camera being announced. You can almost feel consumer photography is dying.

>>2928639
>>2928641
This honestly looks like shit. MF is expensive and part of the incentive to buy from amateurs is the design. Hasselblad is worth the money just for the design.

>>2928832
It's actually impressive how many mirrorless systems have actually died so far.

>NX is dead
>Q is dead
>K-01 is dead
>1 is dead
>GXR is dead
>T is on life support

>>2928855
>buying MF for design
>Hasselblad is amateur

this is some pro shitposting

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>>2928855
It's a Leica SL. This is actually huge news.
Leica recently released an Instax camera, which made it obvious they're working with Fuji, now we have a medium format Fuji that has the same top screen component as the Leica SL.

We have found Leica's Asian partner. The new Minolta. It's Fujifilm.

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>>2928860
>literally a thread about "battle of the brands" - the event
>being surprised all the posts are at shitpost level or below

>>2928864
>>literally a thread about "battle of the brands" - the event
>this is how /v/ir/g/ins interpret product announcements
die consumerist scum

>>2928862
>same top screen

Yeah, and lolympus is also Leica's Asian partner because EVF-2 is literally the same as VF-2.

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>>2928870
product announcements:
>happen all the time
>companies just come out and say what they made and what it can do
>people buy stuff or not

battle of the brands:
>happens once a year
>companies get together in one large arena
>idiots drool over the mere possibilities of their favourite brands getting it on together in bed

Know the difference

>>2928874
considering that half of the announcements happened well before the show, half of the remaining were known in advance, and almost nothing in this thread is in direct competition, that's hardly a "battle"

it's not like xbone vs ps4 announcements at e3

>>2928883
>it's not like xbone vs ps4 announcements at e3
Someone hasn't read this thread at all.

>>2928873
>he doesn't know that Leica is in fact partners with Panasonic and Olympus
lol...

So who was the worst so far? Nikon? Canon? Pentacks (lol) ?

>>2928864
>>2928874
>trying this desperately

>>2928892
Who is Leica NOT partners with?

>>2928893
I'd say Nikon. Nobody expected anything from Pentax anyway, but Nikon only bringing in some shitty action cam?

>>2928893
Nikon
They go in with an Actioncam, a field oversaturated with top products from Sony, GoPro and Rollei, while having a horrible trackrecord with video.

>>2928860
Just watch how much of a fuss Hasselblad made about the design of the X1D on it's presentation. They distinctly mentioned it was a separate product from its pro medium format.

The GFX and the X1D are not pro products.

>>2928896
>Who is Leica NOT partners with?
Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Sony; the Japanese cuckpanies. Leica only associates with real camera manufacturers.

>>2928917
They use Sony sensors in their APS-C cameras, don't they?

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>>2928862
Close, but no cigar.

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>>2928671
>Cool, but it's only half a stop over the Panaleica for double the price and triple the weight.
My experience is that the the Panaleica 25mm has horrendous CA compared to the Olympus 25mm, so maybe this is their stab at a faster 25mm without the fringing? If it's comparable price to the panaleica without the CA, then it's a better option for Oly.

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>>2928917
>Leica only associates with real camera manufacturers.
Forgetting
>Huewei

anything on tamron's 115mm 1.4 VC?

>>2928578
you sound so pretentious

>>2928922
There is some CA on my Panaleica, but nothing Lightroom can't fix with a single click. If anything, the older 4/3 Summilux had more of them. If it's actually horrendous, you've got a bad copy.

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>>2928927
Horrendous compared to nothing. And yes, you can fix it with LR, I'd prefer it not be there though at all.
Example. Pana 25mm on E-M5 MkII
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Holy fuck this E-M1 II.

6.5 stops of IS when using an Olympus lens with IS in it.

What the fuck.

60 FPS burst mode.

What the fuck.

121 cross type phase detect AF points.

What the fuck.

50mp high res hand held mode, 80mp RAWs.

What the fuck.

Huge ISO performance boost.
40% more battery capacity than E-M1

What the fuck.

>>2928929
I assume that's 1:1 crop, and if you think that's "horrendous" in these conditions, you haven't shot with fast lenses a lot.

>>2928471
Press conferences have certain schedules to keep to and they take time to complete you shit

>>2928536
>You can bet your ass there'll be a model with bigger sensor down the line

Yet they still only put an APS-C sensor in their X series.

>>2928932
>6.5 stops of IS when using an Olympus lens with IS in it.
Except currently there is only 1 of those in existence (for $2500), with 1 more incoming (for $1300). They really should get their shit together and allow inter-compatibility with Panasonic OIS lenses.

>60 FPS burst mode
E-shutter though, so jellocam alert.

>121 cross type phase detect AF points.
Canon M5 has *twenty four million* phase detect AF points. Not a joke.

>50mp high res hand held mode
No official confirmation on hand-held. Rumor says that it's going to work with OIS lenses only (OIS does the stabilization, IBIS does the shifting)...so I hope you have money for that 12-100.

>Huge ISO performance boost.
Doubt so. Per unit of area, current E-M1 sensor is on par with everything else, and Sony/Panasonic aren't going to give Olympus some magical sensor tech they aren't using themselves.

The biggest problem with this is that it's not going to be out for several months.

>>2928944

>sonygger damage control in full effect

>>2928933
Far more CA than the Oly 17mm and 45mm under the same conditions. Yes, I have shot with fast lenses a lot, and yes this is horrendous. If you want to live with substandard shit, feel free.

>>2928949
Bad guess. I shoot m43 as my main and backup cameras, I just don't have rose-tinted glasses about its performance.

>>2928950
Those are f/1.8, not f/1.4. This makes a difference.

Also, dismissing a lens due to CAs in the day and age when these are easily correctable is just stupid. (Especially if said CAs happen when you blow out the sky to hell)

>>2928975
>when these are easily correctable is just stupid.
Shoot in a forest with a lens laden with CA and try to correct it all.

If CA is easy to fix, your subjects are just not demanding.

I'm hovering over the preorder button for the G85... Trying to do the mental gymnastics to see if I'll have an extra 1K to blow by October 20th. I think I will. It's like they fixed everything about the G7. Weather sealed with IBIS, HDMI out while filming, they even fixed the battery door. Only thing missing is a headphone jack but that didn't really cause me an issue with the G7. Man... I have a feeling before I go to bed I'll have one preordered. Not sure if I can resist it.

>>2929056
Wait for the Thanksgiving giveaways.
Panasonic does some serious price-slashing.

>>2929069
Yeah but... then I don't have it to play with on the 20th. I would like to snag a bundle deal if there is one though. When I got my G7 I got a really nice microphone with it free from Adorama. The only other disappointing thing is, yesterday I was planning to either get the 12-35 F2.8 or pickup a Lens Turbo II and the Sigma 18-35 F1.8 Art. Now I'm flipping over to a new body with a kit lens again, but the IBIS is so tempting. Also if some day I can justify that Sigma then I could do Sigma 18-35 F1.8 with speed booster AND stabalization. Holy grail type territory.

>>2928510
That's all but there's 4 days left

Rumors are spinning about updated telephoto lenses and a new PC-E lens, the latter of which I would give a kidney for.

Pentacks is at photokina, to my surprise, but they didnt announce anything yet, not a single new DFA lens nor a fucking GR III. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK RICOH WHY YOU DO THIS

>>2928525
>XIAOIY
>five vowels in a row
the fuck is wrong with chinks? Cant they fucking name things properly?

>>2929415
You wouldn't like Finnish...

>>2929417
i'll need some examples now

>>2929421
>Maauimala
>Liioitella
>Karheaääninen
>Hääyöaie
Etc. Words with four vowels in a row a very common and then there are monstrosities like that last word.

>>2929421
I cheated from wikipedia:

"atomiydinenergiareaktorigeneraattorilauhduttajaturbiiniratasvaihde"

"atomic nuclear energy reactor generator cooling turbine cogwheel gear(box)"

>>2929439
That's just a long word but it doesn't have many vowels in a row.
Epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkäänköhän is the longest non-compound word, if I remember correctly.

>>2929440
>>2929439
>>2929428
>>2929421
>>2929417
>>2929415
I'm glad this whole debatte isn't off-topic at all.

>>2929557
/p/, serious business.

>>2928923
I have the P9, that thing where they said both lenses & sensors work together on colour images to improve contrast and low light performance? Yeah, that's a lie, makes fuck all difference if I cover the other sensor when taking a shot.

monochrome sensor is pretty awesome though.

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>>2928575
>>2928553
They are comparable, and weigh the same. These two are both half the weight of the older 645Z.
I think I will prefer the Fuji one over the other "affordabe" medium formats.

Fuji GFX 50s > Hasselblad X1D >>> Pentax 645Z
Medium format is being revitalised slowly but steadily.

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>>2929768
Phase One>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fuji GFX 50s > Hasselblad X1D >>> Pentax 645Z

>>2929782
>Phase One
Not affordable. That's for millionaires.

>>2929789
I'm saving up to get a used one, in one of the older models.

>>2929782
>$30k camera is better than a <$10k camera

no shit, Sherlock.

>>2929782
What does the Phase One do that the other cameras don't? You can change backs but that's about it.

>>2929812
Not always...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-LEITZ-M9-P-EDITION-HERMeS-RARE-10719-/152217055458?hash=item2370d7f0e2:g:DZIAAOSw6n5XvZSd

>>2929813
muh full frame
muh analogue feel

>>2929817
That's jewelry, not a camera.

>>2929813
The 100MP iq3 is 54mm x 40mm. It's the most advanced cmos sensor that exists.

The "affordable" Medium formats are 44mm x 33mm.

>>2929813
Bigger sensor, better colours, less noise, more pickles, good for longer exposures, better lenses.

>>2929813
Larger sensor, twice the pickels

>>2929823
I've read that the 100 MP Sony sensor is worse than the 50 MP one at IQ metrics, so there's no point in it unless you really need over 50 MP. It's the biggest and the pickliest, not necessarily the most advanced.

>>2929827
It's better and newer than the 44 x 33 one.Not just in resolution, but in colour and dynamic range too.

>>2929819
???

>>2929823
>>2929824
>>2929825
What about pickels quality? Resolution isn't everything.

>>2929831
>older and smaller sensor vs newer and larger sensor
>gee I wonder which is the best

>>2929833
Newer and bigger isn't always better. Case in point: Canon.
The pixels are smaller on the 100mp sensor too, so how does it really perform?

>>2929833
Ok, I found a comparison and the 100 mp sensor does indeed seem to have more of everything good. If you want to make a good argument, back it up somehow. Meme arrows aren't very convincing.

>>2928944
>E-shutter though, so jellocam alert

Why can't manufacturers make global shutters?

>>2929831
>???

Directly quoting https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Camera-Systems/XF100MP.aspx

>>2929835
Smaller pixels isn't always worse either. That's just a bad a fallacy.

>bigger isn't always better.
It normally is, especially if it's a newer sensor. You're in a MF thread so you should very well know the basic advantages of having larger sensor surface.

>>2929840
Because the technology is not here yet. It's not exactly easy to shut off a photo sensor and yet retain its precise charge long enough for the ADC to kick in.

Canon makes a cine camera with global shutter, but seeing as they offer the same model with a regular sensor as well, it comes with some kind of drawbacks.

>>2929835
>Case in point: Canon

What did he mean by this?

>>2929853
>it comes with some kind of drawbacks

What are those?

>>2929843
If the Foveon sensor ever gets to a point that it's actually competitive, then I'm ready to accept "analogue feel" as a marketing statement.

>>2929851
Actually this is a Photokina thread, not a MF thread.

And I know. I don't just accept, when someone claims that one sensor is better than the other. I need some evidence.

Pixel quality is perhaps the most important thing in a sensor. It's not always dependent on the size of the pixels but generally that is the case. Bigger sensors generally allow you to have more of those big pixels, so sensor size has more to do with resolution than dynamic range or color range.

>>2929855
For a long time Canon dragged behind Sony and Nikon in sensor technology. The recent (past year) higher end sensor are starting to be competitive.

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>>2929858
According to the specs, the non-GS sensor has built-in phase-detection AF and 1 stop better dynamic range.

Olympus hit another home run with the 25mm f/1.2

Sample photos : http://buchangrant.format.com/Blog/the

>>2929870
It's still a pretty heavy, very expensive lens for a quarter-frame system. It's not a ridiculous halo product like the old f/2 zooms thankfully, but I doubt it'll get many sales no matter how optically impressive it is.

>Fuji mf is not x-trans but a bayer
DROPPED
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>>2929880
MF users do not tolerate waxy skin and shit PC software.

>>2929885
>shit PC software
Confirmed for never shooting medium format digital. The software options fucking suck. Take your posturing elsewhere.

>>2929870
Why are people happy with 50mm 2.4 equivalent lenses ?

>>2928671
It does, it also does DCI 4k and has dual card slots, they even somehow managed to fit in a bigger battery, they stole the 60fps burst from the Nikon 1 cameras, but it does do 18fps with AF

>>2929888
because not everyone is a sensorsize-fag.
Because M43 creates good enough pictures
Because the system is finding its niche and Mirror-cameras are becoming more and more obsolete outside of pro-circles in an age of EVF and because Canon and Nikon refuse to serve the new, growing market.

>>2928671
>Is it that hard to make a cheap 100+ mm equivalent macro?
Um... They already did that TWICE?
Olympus 60mm 2.8, 120mm equiv
Panasonic 45mm 2.8, 90mm equiv

>>2929888
The entire m43 system is based on selling hugely overpriced lenses to people who don't understand equivalent aperture - which is the majority of photographers.

>>2929907
>$450
>$800
>cheap

>>2929910
>equivalent aperture

get fucked.

>>2929910
even with the equivalent aperture meme, a weathersealed, stabilized 50/2.4 on ff will cost you a pretty penny

>>2928572
You could use the Leica SL with 1,400 x 1,050 (4.4MP) EVF, but that'll be LCD rather than OLED, so good luck on getting accurate dark colors. Just about every camera OEM has changed from LCD to OLED for a reason. Pixel density is getting hard to push I guess.

>>2929933
That is way less pixel density than sensors. And we've been stuck on these 1024x768 OLED finders since what, X-E1 back in 2012? Where is progress?

Same goes for rear LCDs, even cheap chink phones now have Full HD screens while cameras are stuck at laughable resolutions like 720x480.

>>2929887
Capture One is good though.

>>2929942
I don't do circuit design, but I doubt image sensor pixels are close in design to display pixels.

Increased density/resolution for EVF also kills battery, and most mirrorless cameras have lower battery life with EVF than with rear LCD.

Also, since both EVF and rear LCDs drain battery (along with increased processing for higher res etc) there's less gain from getting higher res screens when you can just zoom in.

>>2928932
18FPS max with AF and AE tracking, but only with Electronic shutter. Good luck with jello for action at 18FPS.

Max mechanical shutter with AF and AE tracking is only 10FPS.

>>2929951
Lolympus promised a fast e-shutter. If they managed to speed it up to 1/100s or less, then it shouldn't be distracting even for fast action (mechanical shutters are typically ~1/250s and I haven't seen any examples of visible jello with them ever)

>>2929961
I mean the smaller the sensor technically the faster the readout, as seen with the Sony 1" cams, but those have DRAM added on the sensor. Will be nice to see what Olympus provided as a solution. Still would rather have a slightly faster mechanical shutter though.

>>2929968
> the smaller the sensor technically the faster the readout
Physical size has almost nothing to do with readout speed, the signal travel delay is insignificant. The number and sampling frequency of ADC channels is what matters.

>those have DRAM added on the sensor
Well, E-M1II uses a Sony sensor too, doesn't it?

>would rather have a slightly faster mechanical shutter
It's a double-edged sword, less jellocam vs possible shutter shock. Lolympus doesn't have a particularly good record with the latter.

>>2929910
HAHAH MFT IS FINALLY KILL FINALLY HAHA am I doing it rite?

>>2929916
But 4chan told me mft is kill?

>>2928476
The E mount series is very slow.

>>2929768
Fuji only has 1/125 sync speed?

Hasselblad has 1/2000

Do you want to rejig your order?

>>2929991
Who even uses a flash?

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>>2929768
>>2929991
Sorry forgot to add my reaction to seeing fuji's sync speed

>>2929978
mft is kill because crop
sony is kill because corrosion
fuji is kill because hipster
nikon is kill because d5
pentax is kill because kek

praise canon and his prophet the digital rebel

>>2929998
Canon is kill because 5d mk4
Canon is kill because eos m5
Canon is kill because 80d
I coupe go on and go on

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>>2929998
>>2930000
meanwhile

>>2929978
4chan also told me liking traps isn't gay!

>>2930003
which is funny cause it was the brand with best price to quality ratio, they just failed cause they didn't put an EVF on their cameras, only 2 bodies had them. I still have and use my nx300. I have made enough money now to buy a decent MF camera but with the fuji announcement Im actually going to wait and see.

>>2930016
>they just failed cause they didn't put an EVF on their cameras

The lack of an EVF didn't stop the early NEXs from being successful.

For a long time, Samsung had inferior sensors and poorly thought out UI, and their cameras generally lacked anything interesting besides a slightly lower price. Their mount being incompatible with M-mount or any legacy AF glass didn't help either.
They really stepped up their game with lenses and sensors in the last year or two of NX, and made NX1 which almost out-specs E-M1II despite predating it by almost two years, but I guess that still wasn't enough to turn the system profitable (although there's a rumor that a lawsuit regarding some stolen tech was involved)

>>2930011
Well, yes... I hadn't considered this.

>>2930025
NEX line only started to get good with the NEX-7 though.

I do miss the NX1. Got to play with it a bit before and it was a very nice cam. Samsung also probably had the best APS-C zooms.

>>2929910
Whats that 50 1.8 'equivalent' to in large format?

>>2930094
More or less a 180mm f/7 on 4x5

>>2930098
F/7! How pathetic!

>>2930171
You're understanding it wrong. A 180mm F8 lens will perform like a 50mm F1.8. If you put a 50mm F1.8 on FF it would perform like a 13mm F0.5

>>2930173
Thats not how aperture, focal length, and image circle work.

>>2929910
Fuck off Tony

>>2929782
Hasselblad H6D >∞ Phase One>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fuji GFX 50s > Hasselblad X1D >>> Pentax 645Z

>>2929993
Portrait and product photographers working in a studio. You know, people who use digital medium format cameras.

>>2930025
>although there's a rumor that a lawsuit regarding some stolen tech was involved
sounds typical for samshit desu

>>2930173
Lol, no.

>>2930173
this is the dumbest tony northrop shit i've read all day

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So what about compact cameras.
Panasonic announced the LX15 which looks sweet as hell.
>1" sensor
>f1.4-2.8
>24-70 equivalent
>4k video
>6-10 fps burst
>dedicated apperture ring
>customizable ring (focus, shutter speed, etc)
>699 usd

Only downside is that it lacks EVF, and the screen only tilts vertically, but damn what a monster of a compact.
Street and travel photographers might really look forward to it.

>>2930360
That price is quite high for the lack of EVF and weather sealing.

>>2930360
>700 shekels
as good as it might be, i am never ever paying that amount of money for 1 incher.

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>>2930173
What the fuck.
Is this bait? If so, then it is horrible bait.

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Fujis 50mm f2

>>2930374
seriously though Fuji needs to make some new pancakes too. The old ones 18 and 27 are awful.

>>2930173

180 f8 on format with a 1/3.6 crop factor would be like a 50 2.2
180 f8 on FF would be 180 f8

Assuming same sensor technology (if there were of that size):
Iso 100 in a format with 1/3.6 crop factor would be like iso 27 in a FF in terms of IQ.

25mm 0.95 on a MFT would be equivalent to a 50 1.9
iso 100 on a MFT would be equivalent to iso 400 on a FF.

MFTers simple refuse to understand simple math otherwise most of them will just die out of buyers remorse. Case in point: the 25mm 0..95 is about 400$ almost half the price of the cheapest 50mm 0.95, however the 25mm is actually an equivalent lens of a nifty 50, which is at most 150$. So MFTers are paying nearly 4 times the price for a cheap 50 1.9 lens with manual focus only and no IS.

Not everyone into MFT is ignorant or pretends not to know/refuses to understand this, they are in the system for the actual advantages of such systems give to their photography. But they a nearly non existent minorit. Most of the MFTers go into the system because of the all hype of the seemingly cheap fast lenses that they actually can't have any benefit from, when you compare to other formats.

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and the 80mm 2.8 macro
its... big?

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>>2930360
So it's technically a GM1 with a brighter 12-35mm pancake and for way more money.

>>2930374
what's up with fuji and f2?

>>2930431
f/2 is only 1 stop slower than f/1.4 and bokeh is a meme.

>>2930374
Whats with Fuji and those round bases? Is it a reference to dog dick or something?

>>2930433
I find even f/2.5 fine for bokeh whoring with my aero-ektar.

>>2930441
>round bases
what did he mean by this

when it cums to bokeh:
focal length > large aperture

>>2930377
The 27 is fine. The 18 is mediocre. You can abloo bloo bloo about the aperture ring all you want but it doesn't matter since it's electronic anyway.

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size comparison Fuji gfx to d810

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>>2930538
piff

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Photokina and South Park inspired my first attempt at yaoi

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>>2930538
Yeah but the GFX is THICC.

>>2930617
So is D810.

Although it obviously isn't fair to compare a camera with a mirror box to a camera without one.

>>2930622
In a way it is, because in the end only getting the picture counts. If you can get a bigger sensor in a similarly sized body or the same sensor in a smaller body, it's always an advantage, if size of the camera matters. For some it may matter.

>>2930631
>If you can get a bigger sensor in a similarly sized body or the same sensor in a smaller body, it's always an advantage

Well, if the feature set stays the same.

>>2930173
fuck off ken

>>2930538
Big is beautiful

>>2930473
>aero-ektar
out. fucking bokeh whore

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>>2930586
worst yaoi I ever seen

to make good yaoi you only gotta do one thing and you blew it

BIG HANDS

now this is proper yaoi

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>>2928469
>AF points
Does anybody seriously even use autofocus? I can understand for certain types of moving-subject photography but holy fuck autofocus sucks ass still.

>>2928525
lens gives your m4/3rds camera virus
virus gets on computer
XIAOYI'd again mother fuckers

>>2928610
>goes over sensor not even 2x larger than 35mm
"Wow f/2 is really fast guys"

>>2928627
Batteries $249 a pop at least.

>>2928826
Do they still make them in Switzerland or is it chink shit now?

>>2928862
>>2928921
Two years ago I met a very curious German while shooting in Yellowstone with my EOS M and a couple M lenses who wanted to know all about how I used the camera.

>>2929880
thanks god
now you can actually shoot not jpg

>>2934820
>Does anybody seriously even use autofocus?
I poke the screen on my camera anywhere and get an image focused on that point. Works 99 times out of 100 with more speed and precision than I can do manually. Why would I not use autofocus?

>>2928701
as if refresh rate was an issue

>>2928708
>faster than optical
yah sure let us just make electronic circuitry work faster than light

>>2934845
>and get an image focused on that point
lol ok bud

>Works 99 times out of 100 with more speed and precision than I can do manually.
well the shit manual focus rings on modern AF lenses are probably responsible for this

>Why would I not use autofocus?
Because if you've been shooting with manual focus gear for decades it's practically worthless.

any idea when the EM1MKII drops and for how much?

>>2934820
Spotted the mirrorlessfag bin photographer

>>2934820
>Does anybody seriously even use autofocus?
Yes. Also, don't be a fucking chode.

>>2934940
>Because if you've been shooting with manual focus gear for decades it's practically worthless.
Except not really though. You're kinda dumb desu.

>>2929782
>>2929823
Identical sensor to h6d-100

>>2929995
>>2930224
>>2930225
All correct

>>2934940
>well the shit manual focus rings on modern AF lenses are probably responsible for this

No, the blazing fast modern autofocus is responsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_zGXERMRQU
>a mediocre DSLR and one of the oldest, slowest mirrorless cameras versus the fastest MF system available (Leica's tab is faster than your typical ring if you know what you're doing)