I'm going into conscription this summer and need some supplies

Which country are you from? I need to know so that I can tell you if your Mil Tec pack is better or worse than whatever you'll be given for free.

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>>985390
Estonia. Standard issue is a God damn duffel bag. Cant get much worse than that. We do have another giant 100 l packback but I need something smaller and more compact for patrolls and recon missions

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>>985413
Pic related is the camping backpack. Obviously too large for anything else

I've been a conscript as well, but in Norway.
Some things to consider: Laptop and other things that kill boredom when you have spare time in the barracks. One guy had an external harddisk with lots of games, movies and TV shows, and it got passed around so people could copy and share content (internet too bad for torrents and shit) Bring a wristwatch, multitool, headlamp, gloves that will actually last a while, a good selection of civilian clothes for your spare time activities, I also ended up buying better soles for my boots.

Don't overdo it with tactical and survival gear, because you might look like a tryhard and people will think you're a weirdo. I was issued a cheap knife that is basically a Mora equivelant for example and didn't need to replace that.

>>985425
Estonian and Norwegian conscriptions are a bit different. In Estonia u basically have no free time, it's constant training. All u have is an hour in the evening

>>985425
also, forgot about lighters/matches/ferro rod

I was never issued a fire starting method so I bought that as well, and some extra food in case logistics boys can't deliver

>>985426
It was like that in basic training for me, but not the whole year. After a few weeks we got normal work hours, except when it was exercise.

>>985428
Estonian conscription is more like in the old USSR. U basically do the shittiest tasks with the shittiest tools for hours. It's considered way worse than what the conscription is in the western world. It is surprisingly effective though. Estonian soldiers are incredibly well trained

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>>985353
>conscription

>>985432
We might have more in common that you think. I spend countless hours just washing things, cleaning, I even spent 3 weeks just organizing a new garage.
But it must suck pretty much if you don't get a few hours off in the evening.

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>>985433
It's the price we pay for freedom. Also most people here actually like conscription. You are not even considered a man if u havent done it

>>985437
We have a lot more survival stuff bc we are trained for guerilla warfare. My brother is currently in a 2 month long forest camp. We train camouflage and wilderness survival very hard.

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>>985440
Ain't no freedom in Europe, anon. I was just taking a piss tho, I like Eesti.

>>985448
Better to live by the rules of the EU than become a Russian

>>985444
When you mentioned "shit tasks" I was just thinking about all the pointless menial labour we had to do. But of course we spent many days out in the field as well.

You spend some time on the base, and some time outdoors. During one year, I spent a few months living outdoors.

>>985456
By shit tasks I meant building outposts, tigging foxholes, laying barbed wire and mines, cooking food and camping. Most of our training is done in the forest, we rarely linger in the barracks

>>985451
Unfortunately those rules mean the destruction of the European way of life. Fuck EU, and I say that as a native from a long time EU member.

>>985462
EU is shit for the big cunts but great for the small ones

>>985458
>By shit tasks I meant building outposts, tigging foxholes, laying barbed wire and mines, cooking food and camping.
that's not shit tasks breh, that's just good fun
I mean, those things are the whole reasons one wants to be in the military

but military life isn't always fun in the woods, it's more than that

>>985466
It's not fun when you do the same exact thing over and over again with shit tools for an eternity.

>>985462
europe follows progressive rules. no thinking person wants back into the past, moron.

>>985465
Yeah when you're a recent member all the money pumped there is good and all, but long term you become hostage of their policies.
EU was supposed to be a trade agreement, now they are pushing for federalization. A multinational entity has no place having an army like they want too.

So is anyone gonna address my original questions or do you wanna continue getting off topic?

>>985468
Spoken like a true goy. Have fun being a bootlicker all your entire life.
And progressive is a code word used to justify everything that lack morality.

>>985353

american vetfag here, Mil Tec shit is definitely not that great but that knife and earpro are alright, however fixed blades were discouraged in our units because folders were more useful and easier to carry with our kit. Our doctrine is different so i dont know if they'll have you chopping wood and tinder and all that, in which case i'd just carry a hatchet on my assault pack.

i'm not sure what your pack budget is or where to find solid cheap packs, ruskies make some good stuff for the price but i dont know if you care about that or not, personally im going to use whatever works best and i dont give a shit who makes it from which country

https://grey-shop.ru/Basic/Backpack

they got a few cool packs there for less than 100 euros that should match Estonia pattern uniforms without looking out of place

>>985468
>implying everything that we change about our society is a good thing

>implying this logic hasnt killed millions, created poverty, destroyed the environment

Wow you are dense

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>>985353
What army allows recruits to bring their own gear? Or are you part of the reserve?

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Mil-Tec.

I have a black 20l backpack from mil-tec, and it is OK for a work bag /light edc, but I would very much doubt it would stand up to a military environment.

I imagine even a weekend of hard use in the woods, and straps and zips will be shagged.

>>985501
Estonian military allows you to. If it meets the requirements ur ok.
>>985517
I'm not looking for something to hold up in the forest. I want a pack that is light, well made and can be used to haul shit while patrolling
>>985481
Thx f.a.m. Russian camo is usually forbidden here though

>>985779
Latvian National Guard here, Urmas.

Our gear is worse, and we envy what you (and your Kaitseliit) have.

Having said that - the Mil Tec assault pack will need work, so bring a sewing kit (if you don't already). Not as shit as most of their crap.

If you have a bit more dough, go for Helikon-Tex, costs more but durable enough. Good value for money.

If you like nice things that last years, get Tasmanian Tiger. Though the patrol pack is like 150 euro, so I do not have one.

Knife-wise? I really don't find myself using a knife-knife that often - get a cheap multitool instead, the pliers come handy.

For ear protection I use US plugs, little rubber cones with three layer, come in a handy box. Good enough for small arms fire. Were like 7 euro here, at a surplus shop.

>>985440
i doubt that, i mean you're leading me to believe estonians are just grunting neanderthals, if someone is unfit to join due to medical conditions etc you guys just play rudolph the rednose reindeer with the guy and call him not a real reindeer?
what did i expect from an estonian knitting forum.
>>985466
this guy gets it

>>985804
You have never been to conscription, have you?

>>985799
Thx Janis. Ur guns are better though, we still use our Galils and some guys even get the AK4.

Estonia puts a lot of effort into it's army

>>985444
Why dont you just ask your brother about this. He should be able to tell you everything you need to know.

>>985469
You know all that money is just loans right? It has to be paid back.

>>985448
Damn what a cutie

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>>986142
Hence why I said it was good at first, if you use said money to actually improve your country's infrastructure and your people's overall life quality.

>>986151
You should go to Eesti threads on /k/ once in a while.

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>>986163

>>985425
>I also ended up buying better soles for my boots
Better soles as in better insoles or did you get the entire sole replaced?

>>986021
>implying you have to sign up to know what it's about
false equivalences get out

>>986166
>females in combat roles
ok baka

>>986136
He is in forest camp for 2 months and won't return until I'll go
>>986181
Are you disabled or just stupid?
>>986166
>No compensator on the galil
>Mag looks weird af

This is airsoft

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>>986196
>>986183
>tfw

>>986196
>>986166
Also

>Aftermarket remake of the camo pattern
>Non standard issue carrier vest
>Non standard issue helmet and helmet cover
>No flak jacket/bulletproof vest
>Galil lock doesn't point that way and is longer vertically
>No facial camo
>No additional camo such as hay added to the helmet/upper back
>No sewn on Estonian flag on the right shoulder
>Pant legs tucked into boots
>No name tag
>No infantry harness
>Swedish equipment pouches
>No knee protection
>No eye protection
>No night vision clamp on helmet
>No magazine punches
>No tagger in the tagger holder
>Plastic hand rest on galil

Definitely a photo shoot or airsoft

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>>986163
>Old flak jacket

Kuperjanov infantry battalion otherwise know as the death squad of Estonia. Known by the emblem on their shoulders depicting a jolly roger
>>986205
Not a soldier but a high school student in the nation defense class camp

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>>986207

>>986212
These are 100 per cent not Estonian military personnel but filthy attention whores

>>985353
Sup
Im in conscription right now (11 months kupernajov) two months left. Stuff that i would recommend getting in this order
Headlamp, wristwatch, primus, Combat vest(i would recommend condor for relvad. Ee its cheap but durable enough) ,overboots (it gets fucking cold in the winter), patrol pack(not mil tec), camelbak, thermos.

Im certain i missed something but thats that
Keep in mind that if you are part of the 1. Brigade your equipment will be shitloads better.

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>>986216
that doesn't change their good looks though.

>>986223
Going to Tapa in July. Hell yeah you boys use shit equipment. Anyway, what patrol bag u recommend? How often do you get to use it?

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>>986223
>11 months
do you get any monies during that time?

>/out/ Estonia qts
I have to post some neighbors now-

>>986229
Depending if ur a private of a sergeant u get 100-200 euros a month. Not much but something

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>>986231
>100-200 euros
well at least it pays for the gear.

>>985440
>you have the freedom to be forced into the military so you can fight for your freedom

I'm not saying where I'm from is much better but I dunno mate

>>985353

If you are doing any field work bungee cords are amazing a long with waterproof socks. In the Canadian forces we get the gortex ones. Not sure about you

>>985353
How much do you feel like spending? I'd splurge for something from 5.11 Tactical or Maxpedition just because you'll for sure be putting it through hard use.

>>985472
Don't spend time arguing with pro-UE cucks. Especially the ones who are brainwashed enought to want to join and give lessons to the one who are port of it from the beginning...

>>986171
insoles

>>985462
What traditional way of life has been destroyed by the EU? I haven't seen people knocking on my door telling me that I can't live "the European way of life" yet.

>>985353
It's nice that you're allowed to bring your own gear tho! When I was a conscript in DK we could only bring a few things of our own. I did bring a headlamp and that was the best decision ever! Get one that can shine red and you're allowed to use it more often, plus it doesn't ruin your night vision.

Apart from that I kinda missed some of my better outdoor gear that I couln't use.

>>986585
Kek anon, I'm from France and here we can't say anything and are submerged by noneuropean.

Glad for you it's not the case where you live.

>>986225
relvad .ee is the way to go if you want to buy your gear from estonia. i would recommend this vest www. relvad. ee/shop/product_info.php?cPath=101_94_92&products_id=3026

for packs dont get the mil tec one because ive seen a few of those get reckt in conscription. get any of the condor ones on relvad.ee at least thats the vibe im getting from the barracks.

your headlamp has to have a red light or you cant use it if its not super admin.

also get yourself a multitool (pliers or a - screwdriver comes in handy with removing the pouches)

another thing you can check is mil forums here since a lot of guys get out of here in june there is bound to be some vest and stuff for sale there. At most its seen 6 months service.

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>>985353
>mil tec
LMFAO GOOD LUCK BUB

>>986771
Thx famalam. Went through medical today, going to Suurtükiväeparaljon in 4th of july

>>985353

You should go to /k/ and ask around. You'll be able to find ppl who are or have been in the same boat as you. Just check out the Gear Queer threads. Plus it's a much more active board, so you'll get more responses even faster.

>>986797
>Gear Queer threads
>hey anon you need to spend x amount of shekels in this plate carrier. It's used by sof units an will make you a true operator
>not shilling man, I use it to play soldier every weekend and it's really amazing

>>986595
On the other hand a Frenchie I know told me that there's policies in place to defend "Frenchness", like public schools must serve French food and the radio has to play a certain amount of French media per day.

I've actually been to the Estonian basic training place. They saluted every US soldier they walked by, can't get more cucked than that

>>985451
What if i am already a russian on active duty in Estonian army?

>>986196
>>986207
>airsoft
Isn't that m05 and rk95? She's finnish if so

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>>985425
> I was issued a cheap knife that is basically a Mora equivelant for example and didn't need to replace that.

BUT WHAT ABOUT BATTONNIE CHOP CHOP?? did teh poor quality steel last while u battonied wud for fires???????

>>985440
I wish America had conscription. Not that we need a bigger army, I just think people would be a lot better off. Know how to work in teams. Know how to be out. Know what life is like without constant phone/internet/tv. Have a better perspective on what war's like than the bullshit tv and movies they consume.

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>>986931
> I just think people would be a lot better off
>Know what life is like without constant phone/internet/tv
Let's not pretend that conscription could do miracles. It might give people a common topic to speak about but that's about it.

>>986878
They also salute every other person in uniform, even other conscripts. That's when they're not indoors, indoors they nod while looking the other person in the eye. It's common courtesy.

>>986942
Don't underestimate conscription anon. The military puts you in a whole new situation and you will gain something out of it no matter what. The army set a whole new standard for what I consider hard labour and the ability to endure.

>>985426
Norwegian here, the first half a year was pretty much like that. It depends on where in the military you serve.

Misread this thread as constipation. Whoops.

>>987001
I was conscripted for a year, I know what it's like

>>986931
This. Conscription here is much more than a military education
>>986879
Then we will send you back across the border

>>986870
Your point? French cuisine and media don't make a culture nor prevent demographic suicide

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>>985353

Luurekompanii ainus õige valik.

Patrullkoti saad sealt, nüüd tulid ka lahingvestid (ainult luko). Kõrvatropid huinja, mina nende peale plekki ei kulutaks.

Nuga, pealamp, kaasipõleti, korralikud talvekindad. Soe spordipesu ja overbootsid tulevad kasuks.

Kui tegevaks ei lähe edasi, ära hakka mingit ulme varustust kokku ostma. Edu.

>>987233
Tänud. Ma juba suurtükis kirjas kahjuks, komisjoni mutid määrasid

>>987233
Kust kurat korralikke overbootse saab muidu?

>>987237
Sellel ei ole vahet, kuhu alguses määratakse. Kohapeal teed uuesti valiku. Kui tahad asju teha, vali luko. Suurtüki juhtkond suhteliselt ebakompetentne ja on palju lampi persetamist.

>>987238
Samelin.

>>987241
Luko füüsiliselt raske pole v?

>>987245
On, sitaks. Eriti kui naki lähed. Luko on nii vaimselt kui füüsiliselt kõige raskem üksus. Saad parima väljaõppe, mis ajateenistuses võimalik. Kui talve üle elad ja autode peale ära saate, läheb lihtsamaks, hakkate normaalselt teisi üksusi kitsedeks siduma.
Ma eeldan, et sul on huvi kaitseväe vastu, kui 11 kuu peale lähed.

>>987246
Mingi kamm oli sellega et keskharidusega mehed saadeti kõik 11 kuu peale, isegi kui panid sügiseks taotluse sisse. Iseenesest edasi ei taha minna teenima, ülikooli sooviks. Mdea, luko tundub liiga karm, pole just mis teab karm sõjard, kardan et viskab liiga kopa ette luko.

Kas priimust tava varustuses polnud?

>>987248
Okei, aga suurtükki ikkagi ei soovita. Pigem pioneeriks siis, kuid eks sa ise tead. Põhimõtteliselt on võimalus peale SBKd uuesti teha valik üksuse vahetamises, kuid kui juba lukos sbk läbid, ei lasta minema.
Varustuses on piirituspõleti, millega saab küll hakkama, aga väga mugav ei ole.
Tapal on tegelikult hetkel pask seis, liitlased tulid sisse, aga kasarmud pole valmis. Ilmselt hakkate telkides elama kohe või jagadakse teistesse väeosadesse laiali.
Jõudu ja jaksu, mees. Pane hullu ja võta asja huumoriga.

>>987253
can the rest of us get a quick synopsis of what the fuck was said here?

>>985390
>Mil Tec pack

Shit

>>985517

What is IIR (infrared red reflective)

Do not buy this shit OP

>>986166
That rifle is not shouldered

Wheres the vest?

What is that glow under NV shit on the helm

This is a child airsofting

>>986212
Fake and gay

>>986216
>These are 100 per cent not Estonian military personnel but filthy attention whores

Agree

>>986287
>a long with waterproof socks. In the Canadian forces we get the gortex ones. Not sure about you


They are good for stag not yomping cut your feet up

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>>987570
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>>987563
>>987564
>>987566
>>987568
>>987570
WOW ANON!!
Do you have any other opinions to express? You're SO FUCKING COOL.

>>985448
I'm confused by the pic. Look at her nails

>>985353
buy darn tough socks

>>987564
She's finnish and she's a real conscript. That picture is taken from Wihuri15

>>987558
>>987558
He said that op should go join the recon company bc they get the best stock equipment and training. Op said he was already commissioned into artillery battalion. He then said it doesn't matter as he gets to choose again after the first 10 weeks. Op asked if recon was physically difficult. He said that yes, it is both mentally and physically extremely difficult, but if you survive winter you can start fucking with other platoons. Op said he doesn't think he is cut out for it and he told him to stay strong and have fun.
>>987777
That's a high school student in the national defence camp, not a conscript nor a soldier
>>987852
I'm amazed. I thought Finns had better equipment. This is horrible

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>>987870
Is this more to your liking?

>>987876
>No helmet cover
>Chrome watch out of sleeve

Cosplayer or airsoft

>>986196
>>986207
>>986216
>>987564
>>987568
>not recognizing finnish army gear.

>>986870
We have africans and arabs speaking french and almost eating the same food.
If it's what you call defend Frenchness prepare to be enriched the same way.

>>986275

>wants freedom
>Not willing to sacrifice shit for it

>>986931

Burgers actually sacrificing something for this "freedom" thing they get so frothy about? Kek gimme a fucking break.