I want to start a commune. I want people to join, pool resources,

Become a religious leader and then eventual mass suicide.

My only beef with that kind of lifestyle is that people are usually huge leftards muh peace and love. Other than that why not.

>>978662
FPBP

>>978658
nah.

these communities are usually a few chads fucking all the women with a few beta cucks actually doing all the work.

>>978668
Found the beta cuck.

>>978670
yep. but i'm self employed and all my money goes to me.

run your scam on someone else.

>>978664
>muh peace and love

Meaning that they won't do any work -or- they won't put up a fight when the red chinese come for our bodily fluids?

Idk if i count as a Chad, but poly and can bring 3 chicks if i can screw a few of the others.
Ill trade a chick for a trap also

>>978668
>>978671

So your tip is... arranged marriages?

Be ready to attract freeloaders and gross hippies.

Be ready to do all the work.

>>978682

>Trial cabin, with 1acre land plot.
>Raise/grow what you can within 4 months.
>If the land is well maintained, and it's profitable, you're in.

Got anything better?

Making all decisions based on majority voting is the only way to go. But that's still going to leave people unhappy.
Even having your own tiny plot where you're king might not be good enough.

You'll just have to start the whole process again.

>>978658
>>978664
>>978678
>>978682
>>978689
The biggest problem with is really is that people come in to leach off you and don't do work. You really need to start these things with close friends and family for them to work correctly.

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>>978662
You beat me to it. If it didn't become a second Waco I'd join.

>>978681
how else do you think villages worked for thousands of years?

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>>978713

The ugly 'Merican rears its head again.

How well does fascism work on a small scale?

>>978689
If wouldn't give anyone anything.Tell 'em to bring their own tent, and you designate an area for them to develop. Once they prove themselves, then they become a part of the community. Eventually, it wouldn't all be new land, you'd be dropping newcomers onto plots that already had crops growing or onto an area that you want a newer building constructed, as soon as the previous tenant gets promoted to a higher position of authority. Lower start-up costs, guaranteed fewer freeloaders, promotes positive reinforcement through advancement opportunities.

Google "Jonestown"

Sounds like a great idea, I would join. Everyone can help each other and trade or gift crops/animals.
Everyone needs to work for their own shit though.

>>978732
Well, judging from the way the average family works, fascism seems pretty great.

>>978658
>tips?
Join the Hutterites. Religious socialist commune.
>Nearly extinct by the 18th and 19th centuries, the Hutterites found a new home in North America. Over 130 years their population grew from 400 to around 45,000. Today, most Hutterites live in Western Canada and the upper Great Plains of the United States.

>>980100
>Cell phones are also very common among all three groups today. Text messaging has made cell phones particularly useful for Hutterian young people wishing to keep in touch with their peers. Most Hutterite homes have computers and radios; a minority of communities (mostly, liberal Schmiedeleut colonies) have Internet access.


They're lost.

>>978664
So no kekistan then.

>>978658
>I
>I
>Commune
Not going to work with that attitude you closet dictator.

>>978658
you better be a really good judge of character to filter out all trash

I knew a guy and his wife that had this idea. He had inherited 300 acres of arable land, just wanted to let people farm on it and create a co-op at the local feed & seed store, etc, kind of like an old-fashioned frontier community. He had a bunch of simple prefab cabins built and even paid to have water and electric run to each site, unmetered and free (to them).

The problem is, there are bad apples, and the number of bad apples is surprisingly higher than you might imagine. The kind of folks who might adopt this lifestyle also have a higher proportion of other issues - everything from mental health issues to domestic violence to drug use to general laziness. He had 11 families there at the peak, but by the end of the second year he had booted them all. Had to file legal proceedings to evict the final two who refused to leave even though they had never had to pay rent. The only group who he'd have taken back were a family of 4 who left early on and ended up buying their own little farm about a mile down the road and he still keeps in touch with them about beekeeping. One out of fucking 11 groups were decent enough to have respected his intent.

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>>980704
lol NAILED IT.

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>>978658
What do you bring to the table anon? If you want to be charismatic and start something, you've got to walk the walk. Ain't nobody but a fool would follow you and share all they've worked for just because you want to live in a commune.

Also. Why the fuck are those houses so close together? If youre in the middle of the woods spread them out a bit so you an get light in the windows and not hear each other jerkin' off.

>>980077

50% divorce rate?

>>980704
>>981995

This is what happens when kids get their commune info from startrek borg wiki articles.

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The jist so far is "Everything works great if not for certain (((bad apples))).

Just have to be up front on what you want, don't want to tolerate, and what happens if someone acts out.

>>978658
The only way this works is as a cult. If you don't have 100% authority over them then people will rot, either becoming free loaders, thieves, big stoners, abusers, or something along those lines. Owning the land isn't enough, because when you try to kick them out, they won't leave. You'll never be able to tell up front all the issues someone has or will have after living this way. The only way is to distill the fear of Christ almighty in their souls, and convince them that you are Jesus in the flesh. That way, even if you do get a dissenter of some kind, you can turn the whole commune against them in an instant.

>>982174
>socialism is bad because people starve not like under capitalist society
arent u a good boy

>>982177
In capitalism, most people don't starve and a select few in the underclass (who are often severely mentally ill) do. In communism most people starve and a select few in the new controlling class (who are often dickhead authoritarian politiburo members) don't.

>>982189
>>In capitalism, most people don't starve
Capitalism kills the same amount of people killed in the entire history of communism by any means (starvation, genocide, war, etc.) every 5.5-6 years by conservative calculations.


http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/which-starves-more-people-capitalism-or-communism/

>>978662
This. Except not mass suicide. Mass murder

>>982192
Capitalism has never been tried, because if it was it would be proven perfect and they don't want that to be known

>>982177
Yeah because it's worked out so well for the USSR and Venezuela.

>>982174
Soviet is literally the untranslated word for "council".

>>982367
It did. Hence the US attemped coups and all those sanctions, embargoes, blockades, bans, etc. that fucked everything up.

>>982819
Oh no my country cant exist without Capitalist nations trading with us.
> Capitalism > Communism

>>978662
or just brainwash the parents to offer their children up to your twisted sexual needs like normal cults do.

>>982177
i lived in socialism nobody was starving. nobody. but everything was shit. you had to wait 20 years to get a fucking landline. you had to win a fucking lottery to get a car unless you were connected to the ruling elite of course. every equipment way out of date every production is way inefficient and the real economy simply didn't work. nobody gave a fuck about stuff they didn't own. people formed a second tier shadow economy that was actually doing something. if you needed stuff or needed it to be fixed you had to submerge into the shadow economy.

socialism is shit because it's utterly dishonest. they say something and do the opposite and do it very very badly. capitalism is a more honest system that actually produces results.

>>978658
As far as the pic, I wouldn't mind living in a small agricultural community. It couldn't be too big though. If it was a small amount of people it would be obvious who isn't pulling their own weight and would be held accountable. Shame culture would also naturally be implemented.

>>982350
Yeah we saw that work out real well when they tried deregulating the banks.
Both communism & capitalism would work out if it wasnt for us being dumb apes.

>>978689
>Got anything better?

yep. no drugs. no alcohol. that right there will eliminate 99% of all lazy degenerate applicants.

I think communes won't work because you would have to make a lot of people agree on everything all the time. This means that as long as somebody isn't the actual princeps or ruler of that commune, it will end in chaos.

Alone, however, off grid is absolutely doable.
For those of you who know german, there is a great documentary "Mensch, Gottfried". It's about some hippie who made an inheritance and decided to live only off the land. He stil has SOME electricity, but he has no running water and produces almost everything on his own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1cJTODlYB4

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>>978658
Commie get off this board.

No one wants your hippie commune shit.

>>979936
>"Drop in" people to areas that need development

People aren't NPCs in a fucking strategy game. They won't just automatically build/ do whatever you say

>>978658
Being on a commune is not what you're imagining it to be.
Expectation:
>people united by a common ideology strive to live their dream together
Reality
>homeowners association drama on steroids, squared

>>978729
Not with arranged marriages, cunt.
They had good leaders who actually had authority and importance, that motivated everyone to do their part, you see?

>>978658
fuck off NEETvillage™ is /out/s village of choice.
-squirrel

>>982192
Oh my fucking god are you legitimately THIS retarded? The deaths are being counted from poor third world countries that would have extremely high poverty and death rates even if advanced western civilization didn't exist.

IN FACT, WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS DOING THEIR BEST TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FEED AND CLOTHE THE POOR IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF COMMIE SCUM

>>982819
If it was such a good system why couldn't it handle the pressure?

>>983015
Capitalism results in a Walmart mentality where people equate value inversely to cost which consequently destroys the economy and devalues currency.

>>983248
Those that do get promoted, those that don't get booted off the land. I don't see the problem.

>>983482
>Not with arranged marriages
but you're wrong

>>984291
No, that's the result of globalism and (((niggers)))

try harder commie

>>982367
>>982177
Nature will kill and swallow all of your ideologies, the ways of the savage will return and all this bullshit will be forgotten dust. The horror, the horror that sleeps beneath all these lies.

>>984351
Go be edgy somewhere else faggot

I'd rather just pay for everything and have total dictatorial control of the community.

>>984296
yes its globalism fault that your trailer park exclusively buys chink shit at the local wall mart

>>982098
No. That's because of the jews, but this is not /pol/ so I'll stop.

>>978658
OP how is your commune coming? Realistically if it were to work you'd need a GoFundMe to help raise $$$

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>commune
>expand
>being a country

im just gonna leave this here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Canudos

>>983248
fuck you

as long as I hear sawing, drilling and hammering sounds when I mouseover their plot of land, everything will be fine

>>983198
It worked for the Puritans. The commune I mean, once they decided to be capitalists. They tried a form of communism at first, which naturally failed.

Is it just me or is this whole post deja vu

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>>978729
I'm from a small village.

Traditional villages worked because:

1) A lot of people were inter related.
2) People grew up with one another and knew each other as kids. The friends you make as kids are not the ones you would choose but you accept them as they are. Even if they're cunts.
3) Their Parents and Grandparents grew up with one another and were friends.
4) Tradition decides "what to do". No we don't plant corn by the river, end of discussion.
5) This is my land, it was my Fathers land and my Grandfathers land and my great Grandfathers land. It is not your land. End of discussion.
6) You have limited options to leave so better go along to get along.
7) Since you're all stuck here together and know everything about each other, better not abuse the common grazing.
8) You know who's smart, you know who's dumb, you know who's strong, you know who's skilled in weaving, you know who should lead, you know who should do what.

>>987310
The real reason traditional villages worked was because there was no other place for them to live, meaning you have lots of normal decent people in your village.

Nowadays the only people who want to live in a village/commune do so have an irrational fear of authority, cannot follow rules, have past history of criminal activity, or people who don't want to in general participate in society. These types of people UNSURPRISINGLY tend to have the worst ethics when it comes to participating in a community (they're lazy and won't do shit), they're criminals/druggies and will kill you over pocket change, or have some major personality disorder that is the reason they "flunked" out of normal society. You will never be able to find enough normal people to support/scare away these types and your commune will fail spectacularly.

The best anyone will ever get to a commune is to get all your friends together and buy a bunch of land right next to each other and then do some cool shit together.

Start a monastery. Everyone "males only" gets a small room, and is expected to work 8 hours a day on projects. Unskilled / newbies are sent to farming for a year. In the winter they train in a trade. If they show skill in a trade they can pursue it year around. Farmers get ultimately a larger cut of food/money to entice people to remain. Craftsmen get profits after selling their wares and paying for materials.

If you can't swing your told to leave.

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>>982177

>>983166
Lame. Good luck getting any tradesmen or farmers

>>987461
>(they're lazy and won't do shit), they're criminals/druggies and will kill you over pocket change, or have some major personality disorder that is the reason they "flunked" out of normal society.

this. its all a bunch of NEET's on disability for mental disorders.

>>986535
oh hey it's that guy from the dave chapelle skit

>>978701
>america is shitty, let's try something new
>i know, I'll buy a plot of land and make a SMALLER america

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>>988863
You DO realize that sort of comparison makes as much sense as equating anarcho-capitalism with Nazism in terms of government systems, right?

Just because two things are on the same side of the spectrum does not mean that they are the same.

Living in under an authoritarian government is very VERY different than living in a free one.

P.S. Libraries, Schools, Roads, sanitary services and electricity, who needs them when we can afford our own, right?

Fuck socialism, amirite?

>>983166

Too cultish and authoritarian. You'd have to raid their housing to enforce it.

>>978664
>My only beef with that kind of lifestyle is that people are usually huge leftards muh peace and love. Other than that why not.
Feels bad that this describes my sister. Has some romanticized fantasies about living on a farm. All she ever does is complain and point fingers.

>>978658
Well, a group of us autists been talking for years about it.

Nothing ever comes of it sadly.

>>978658
Oh also, some lesser of the autistic /biz trying to start a few companies to funnel profits to it. But again. Nothing....

>>978664
Right on the right left on the left and neutrals mixed among us to keep some peace?

>>978702
This. Being crippled though i am not worth much but i have experience and more funds than average 4 channers i feel i coukd donate. Plus i will happily supervise the bunker so people dont die.

As other folks have said, group efforts have been feebly attempted many times with zero success.

My opinion is this: if you want to do it, don't wait for any collective group action. Just do it yourself.

Buy some cheap land, move a trailer out there, and get homesteading. I'll bet that less than 10k will get you started

I would at least look into it, OP. But I'm outta there if there's any weirdos.

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>>978702
Bonus if the land has rock while we dig bunker. it is far easier and more efficient to dig trenches and bury it. And if we get the funds to crush it there is money to be had. Fucking just loaded 4 trucks. 10 bucks a ton. 2 were 15. 1 is 10. 1 is 25 ton loads. So what, 65 ton? $650 in 20 minutes after processing. Can charge more or less depending on gradation.

Free concrete rock for the bunker, screenings for cement pads for cucksheds and shop floors, and rock for building roads and driveways.

We get yard roomba for grass and bolt a rock rake to one to maintain the road.

Also, can do lite tile work. I would much enjoy us busting as to build a pool and fence it off. Never fill it. Pools closed.

>>981910
Sad srory of truth here

>>983166
No booze? Anon i dont think i can play

>>983357
Sadly this. However and hoa woyld vurb autism there

>>987310
Interesting

>>988897
At least we will have friends?

>>990040
Same here. Im maried but if u faggots wanna get the ball rolling near here ill throw a cuckshed out there and just join for access to the workshop.

Didbi mention former truckerfag? Could teach truck driving school a couple times a year or teach another anon all i know for full tine teacher and weekly or monthly class. Charge like $500 instead of the $3,000 the meme schools do. Put money into the community. Inevitably some autist will crush a main water line fmor burn down half the shop. We will need funds for repairs.

>>990063
If growing weed isn't allowed, then fuck it.

The entire reason to live innawoods with strangers is to get away from bullshit laws. I don't give a fuck about seeing any other drugs again but to hell with any group of people who go this far out of their way to get away from what makes society bad and bring that bullshit with them anyway.

It's not like it costs money, which is the only problem people have with it. For some, it would help them focus and contribute. So fuck that noise.

>>990066
>Could teach truck driving school a couple times a year or teach another anon all i know for full tine teacher and weekly or monthly class. Charge like $500 instead of the $3,000 the meme schools do.

Why pay to let people have access to wikipedia or ebooks? Education should be free to access especially in such a small community.

>>978658
>I want to start a commune.
Same.

>I want people to join, pool resources, and buy up the surrounding land.
I feel the exact opposite way.

>I want it to expand, and have so many people, that we become a sizable voting block.
Same.

>I want it to expand until we ARE the county.
Same.

>I want it to expand until we ARE the country.
Same.


Difference between you and me is that I want to start a clan, where you want to be a dirty commie.

>>990067
Kek. They aint gonna keep booze and money out

>>990070
The book test sure. But we need a truck and drive to take test anon. Youtube cant teach you to feel the truck and shift without the clutch. I would teach free just trying to bring money in.

>>990296
Set up a commune with your family, then bring in people under contract as share croppers, then sell commie experience to people as a vacation.
Basically a commie dude ranch.

Only way it will work.
You're able to get rid of faggots who will ruin things without having to worry about leftist rent laws, you maintain ownership of property, bring in money, and provide people the ability to be in a commune provided the stipulation that they participate properly.

>>990302
Makes sense. Not sure i would subject my wife to autism willingly. Maybe an hours drive away i will throw omdown z cuckshed and see

>>978664
same

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>>982189
mate I think you'll find that is due to the industrial industrialization of labor and agricultural production. I'm not a commie but Capitalism is still a human invention and as with all human inventions very flawed

>>983518
not the same person, but mate with globalization they the undeveloped and developing countries are now apart of the world economy our (western) economies, and so of course they too should be counted. Without them our system here wouldn't be able to function as it does currently

>>983482
t.strong independent womyn