>A Canadian man who has been missing for five years has b

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>>947261
He's mentally ill.

>>947271
Not an argument.

>>947289
Was it supposed to be?

>>947261
So he managed to sneak into like four countries? Damn dude

Damn Canadians.

>>947302
Are you like those movie characters who think they need to sneak over the boarders right at the checkpoints?

>>947302
>four

Learn to geography.

>>947261
No money, no passport, just the bare necessities. Wow. Hard to believe nobody else questioned his presence for that long. Did he swim the Darien Gap? Shit is crazy.

>>947261
So because the dude likes to explore he must be crazy. Lets dope him up and get him functioning in modern society. On top of that he faces criminal charges in Canada... how long before this dude makes a run for it?

>>947340
Yes, he is mentally ill. That is why he did what he did. Properly sane and functional people don't do stupid things like that. If you've ever been around people like him, you know instantly there is something significantly wrong with them. He should be raising a family instead of essentially committing genetic suicide.

>another thread where /out/ doesnt realize thousands of people exist like this in north america

>another thread where /out/ists vilify being /out/

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>>947344
>being mentally ill without a home is proper /out/

Well, I suppose that is true with all the homeless threads on /out/.

>live in england
>see this thread
>feel this feel

>>947343
>He should be raising a family instead of essentially committing genetic suicide.
aaaannnnnnd back to /pol/

>>947346
>sit on your ass with pupper all day
>people throw money at you

How do I get a job like this?

>>947346
>proving my point immediately

>fishing for (You)s all day long is /out/

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>>947349
>raising a family is /pol/

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>>947351
Homeless Vagrants need euthanized.

>>947354
>he's from CO

>it all makes sense now

>>947354
This is what people who wear shoes actually believe.

>>947337
>swim the Darien Gap? Shit is crazy
>>947302
>sneak into like four countries


Jesus people.

>>947352
Being angry that someone chooses not to raise a family, yes that's/pol/

>>947363
That wasn't said or implied. They are darwning themselves and that is fine. Being angry at someone who says that "raising a family is /pol/" is what the problem is here.

>>947365
The problem is you faggot, now git out

>>947367
This is my house. You're the one that needs to get out.

>>947343
A trip like that takes planning and organization. He had to walk through desert, jungles, mountains, he had to organize a way to cross the Darien Gap. He survived five years with no money, no gear, and no form of contact. He deserves a trophy.

>>947399
>He survived five years with no money, no gear, and no form of contact. He deserves a trophy.

No, he ended up without that during the course of the trip. He deserves to be pointed at and laughed at.

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>mentally ill man
>heralded as someone to look up to
>2017

>>947361
The dude is a real life Forrest Gump. I wouldn't be surprised if he rode a dolphin around the gap. In reality i'm guessing that he snuck aboard somebodies boat.

>>947402
Even if he did start with money it would've been a small amount that he was carrying. Because if he withdrew from banks they could have tracked him. It also said he was robbed a number or times and was essentially left with nothing.

How are so many of you idiots buying into the "mentally ill" narrative. Anyone who does something like this is labelled mentally ill, whether they are or not. (((They))) don't want to encourage this sort of behavior and activity, it's not good for consumerism and these people don't pay taxes.

>>947411
>be diagnosed with schizophrenia
>get arrested on assault and weapons charges
>disappear without a trace before court date

Yup. He did this to avoid being a consumer. I'm convinced. (((They))) can now reel him back in and make him buy shit and pay taxes.

>>947411
>How are so many of you idiots buying into the "mentally ill" narrative.

Because he as clinically diagnosed as such. It says it RIGHT IN THE ARTICLE IN THE OP:

>Anton, who has been placed back on his schizophrenia medication

>>947411
>hurr durr narrative

It's like you can't even fucking read.

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>>947411
>How are so many of you idiots buying into the "mentally ill" narrative.

>Anton, who has been placed back on his schizophrenia medication
>Anton, who was described as an individualist, was diagnosed with schizophrenia several years ago but his family say they struggled to find him the help he required in the two years before his disappearance.
>In 2011, he finally began treatment for his mental illness but that same year, he was involved in an incident which resulted in him being charged with assault and weapons offences.

>>947411

Oy, the goy is on to us! Shut it down Shlomo!

>>947261
>assault charges
>flees the country

Does Canada have that law where the timer stops on their version of the statute of limitations if the person crosses the boarder? The USA has it. If you skip out the timer stops until you come back. That way you can still be charged.

>>947427
>>947424
There are many doctors and people who argue schizophrenia is a fictitious illness. In reality, it does not exist, or rather exists apart in all of us. Some people will choose to live a life like this canadian man. However, because what he did is not of the regular, and because he was simply diagnosed and put on certain medication, does not prove that 'schizophrenia' is real or a disease.

>>947440
I would say to create the term 'schizophrenia' in itself would be characterized as schizophrenic. It is a way to label many who do not conform to our modern gross reality in which the masses interact. Jesus and his followers in biblical times, would be considered 'schizophrenic'
>no confined home or hous
>lead people to mountain
>performed miracles that people rajected
>was labeled and persecuted for being different
>rejected by all but small percent

>>947420
>>947424
>>947425
>>947429
Anyone who chooses to walk instead of drive a car, live off the land instead of buy all their food and supplies from retailers, wander instead of settle down in one place, and operate on their own schedule and pace is labeled by the system as subversive to keep the mindless sheeple in their artificial pen.

/out/ confirmed for most cucked board. normie armchair generals on suicide watch. the lack of insight here is diagnosable. god damn retarded sheep people. inb4 some more suburban dad logic. fuckin shitheads.

>>947448
>mindless sheeple
>>947450
>retarded sheep people

Not an argument.

>>947302

You by any chance got the retardation? That'd explain a lot.

>>947343

>Properly sane and functional people don't do stupid things like that.

You're a dumb ass.

>>947474
>assault
>weapons charge
>bail jumping

All perfectly normal.

>>947457
glad you agree with everything else i said you braindead faggot

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>>947344
I don't think anyone is vilifying going out. This man was mentally ill, he was undergoing treatment schizophrenia at the time of his disappearance.

>>947479
>the law dindu nuffin
>praise our boys in blue (red?) theyre good boys never hurt no one, never lied ever

>>947490
>believing everything the man tells you
>supporting football
>pretending this dude wasn't /out/ as fuck
>being this much of a fucking idiot

>>947367
>being this triggered

Chill man. We can all appreciate that this is an amazing accomplishment, by a mentally ill man. I'd also argue that this helps the cause for building a wall in the North also.

>>947490
Back to /sp/ fuckboy, this clearly isn't your board.

>>947500
I think you misread what I posted. Here, for you.

Fuck you, you're a stupid faggot, now GIT OUT.

>>947440
I have a buddy who is diagnosed with schizophrenia. Known him for about 25 years. He was a smart kid, was going through pre-med courses. He dropped out one day, claiming the college was using a computer in a room with no doors or windows, to control the students minds. Now he's in his late thirties, moved back in with his parents, collects disability, can't hold a simple conversation for longer than a couple of minutes, incapable of managing finances, no licence, etc. He enjoys going /out/, but always needs drugs with him. There's also an issue with him suffering brain damage in an accident, which doesn't do anything to help him.

>>947492
>he wuz a gud boi
>he din du nuffin

Why'd he run, then?

>>947261
A SINGLE FUCKING LEAF

>>947513
>Why did he run from false charges to continue living as a free man elsewhere

Gee I wonder why?

>>947513
You get the shitty brown star of mental retardation anon. Congrats on flunking reading comprehension.

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>>947495
>thinking you know more than a doctor
>not worshiping the God Emperor and being happy for his disciples
>believing that being mentally ill is a good thing
>being this much of a fucking idiot shill

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>>947440
>gets his ass handed to him because he didn't read the article.
>but but but "define schizophrenia"!!!

Thanks anon. Anon who is posting on this anonymous image board. Anon who is probably a NEET and/or is fearful someone with power over him will label him schizophrenic and take away his right. Anon, who doesn't have a degree in any medical profession. Anon, who didn't prescribe anti-schizophrenia medication to Anton Pilipa.

Really makes you think.

>>947444
Jesus, of the bible, never existed though. That person is a conglomeration of many folk hero stories.

>>947517
>being this much of a fucking idiot shill

Says the retard buying into the official narrative and trusting the mental health (((professionals))).

>>947519
>appeal to authority fallacy

>>947516
>reading comprehension
>reading comprehension for ebonics posting

*smacks lips*

>>947525
A lot of times it is very valid. Especially where 4chan is concerned.

>>947271
so he is /out/?

>>947515
>>947516

>running away and leaving the country is the logical way to declare your innocence

Serious fucking mental gymnastics.

>>947528
Definitely, yes.

>>947519
Nothing of your response defends or argues a position that would disprove any of what I have said.
>>947522
For those who have seen him, interacted with him and God. Who are you to take such experiences away from those people? One day you will meet your creator.

>>947525
Not an argument.

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>>947534
>Nothing of your response defends or argues a position that would disprove any of what I have said.

His post wasn't either.

>religious parts of your post

WEW LAD
E
W

L
A
D

>man does amazing /out/ shit
>/out/ gets triggered

Pretty typical reaction from the morons here 2bh. Especially the autistic focus on the man's mental health.

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>>947523
I suppose I can concede that point to you...we are talking about fucking leaf 'doctors'.

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>>947546
>vagrancy is awesome!

Vagrancy is a crime where I live. If you are caught without money, proper identification papers, or sleeping overnight outside your home/property, sanctioned camp ground, or hotel you get arrested. If you want to do out shit on someone else's property you need written permission on your person at all times. If you want to do it in a camp ground you have to have the papers they give you when you sign up there.

>>947546
Mentally healthy people do those things with family and/or friends. They don't do it at the direct detriment of their health. They don't walk their toenails off in a jungle. You don't read about them because there's nothing special to read about because they don't normally die or need to evade authorities and are not considered "missing".

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>>947261
Is "Anton" a cat or something? I don't see how some homeless guy with a mental illness really matters.

>Pilipa survived by scrounging in the trash for food and clothes, picking fruit, and relying in the kindness of strangers

Wow such /out/.

>>947554
Sounds like a great, free society you're living in, bud.

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>>947411
>>947429

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>>947561
Western life sounds so great, anon.

>>947261
A true Canadian hero.

>>947566
What do you think will happen with the New Europeans in Europe? Fertility-wise I mean.

>>947554
This is a gypsy slum in Europe.

They don't arrest them for being homeless, they arrest them for harassing/mugging people. This no paper go to jail rule just give them an excuse.

>>947261

People on /out/ be like

>you need arc'teryix bro
>always gotta carry a sidearm bro
>implying you can build a shelter without an axe bro
>duck down or you'll freeze to death bro

>>947440
You've clearly never seen a schizophrenic before.

Spend some time working mental health, and you'll stop spouting bullshit like this.

Not only is it real, no actual doctor denies that it exists.

There's a older schizophrenic lady that lives near my parents. The neighbor one day found her inside their house, taking a shower, believing she needed to wash away the people living inside her. She had walked a mile through the snow wearing no shoes and wearing a bath robe... but yeah, she's not mentally ill. She does stuff like this when she stops her meds. In her meds she's completely normal.

Another schizophrenic in our area showed up at my work one day. He though we were an auto repair place (we arent) and wanted us to get the people out of his gas tank that were talking to him. He was convinced those people were there, and wouldn't leave until we shined a flashlight by his tank. He got freaked out and jumped in his car and took off, we found him parked in the middle of the road miles away screaming at cars as they passed. Another time we found him parked in the road again, and said he wanted to kill himself because he thought his parents would want him dead rather than be killed by the men chasing him (there were no men).

>>947632
All that is a pass if you are schizophrenic and don't mind losing all your toenails.

>>947633
>wanted us to get the people out of his gas tank that were talking to him
I have that same problem

>>947633
I had a guy stop by the store I worked at all freaked out and wanted me to help him get all the dead children out of the back of his pickup truck. I instead called the police, by telling the guy I couldn't leave the store for legal reasons, but could get him some help fast. The police came. There were no children in the back of his truck.

>man goes /out/
>/out/ shits on him

Like pottery.

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I'm gonna be doing the same thing but on a bike in a couple years. Can't wait

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>>947633
Isn't it odd that in 5 years of being on the road, not one person reported him as a suspicious person?

>>947711
Have you seen people who walk on roads like barefoot vagrants? They are all suspicious looking. You learn to ignore them.

>>947440
>Schizophrenia isn't real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxsecI5cSMc
Sure.

>I wasn't feeling from a court date and I'm not crazy I swear, I just chose to lead a different lifestyle that's above consumerism!

Every single one of the people ITT arguing against what this guy did are little fuccboi faggots that never leave their homes or jobs.

Fucking prove me wrong you little babby bottom bitches.

>>947733
Are they crushing your dreams with reality? Yes, I'd like fries with that, kid.

>>947743
Just the kind of response I'd expect from someone like you. Well done.

>>947751
No need to get angry, kid. I'm sure you'll stop shitposting on 4chan to follow your dreams.

>>947261
>schizophrenia
>real mental disease
Get a load of this faggot

>>947343
>this whole post
you're a huge fag

>>947743
Whats that? Cant defend yourself? Gonna call us all kids? Way to prove me right you dumb fuck.

Inb4 you tell me theres no reason to be upset or some other basic bitch crap

>>947758
>all dat hate

No wonder you won't be a breeder.

>>947760
Did you totally forgot what you posted in >>947733

>>947760
Sure thing, kid.

>>947730
>sure.
because that person is acting that way means nothing. she could have a wide range of so many different illnesses.

>>947713
Nothing suspicious about a barefoot bum walking around with no destination. Thats just a bum, yes people ignore it, however it is common, not suspicious, pussy.

>>947302
most illegals get caught at the bus station or trying to hitch a ride at the closest settlement to the border

>>947633
Listen, I'm not saying people don't have different mental issues and diseases. What I'm saying is the term schizophrenia itself, cannot actually exist. People may have like symptoms, however many people have other diseases which are the reason for such behaviors. To label someone as a schizophrenic, truly means nothing, it is not proper.

>>947776
Why do you even try to argue with these shitposting faggots

>>947775

>most illegals get caught

Why are there 46 million of them in the USA?

>>947776
Are you his doctor?

>>947796
Do you watch child porn?

>>947776
It is proper. It is a specific set of symptoms, that is called schizophrenia.

The same as any other mental illness, it has symptoms, and a name. Treatment for it varies, but all schizophrenia patients share similar symptoms. This is not an opinion, it is fact. It is not something you can argue. Just stop.

>>947800
So pre 1973 when homosexuality was considered a diagnosed mental illness by medical practitioners, people couldn't argue against it because 'its called' homosexuality.
>can't be argued
>your logic "because its called this" "these are facts" "you cant argue this"
>childish

>>947403
let me tell you about another so called "mentally ill man"
he broke his back and then he climbed everest and then much later on he drank his own piss. And that man was named Ray Mears...

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>>947261
How much road head did this guy have to give?

>>947501
>>947495
Holy shit do i have anti sports brothers on this board?
Holy fuck do i hate spectator sports.
Why the duck would anyone want to be a sportsfan and watch someone else play a game?
Dumbest pastime ever.

>>947816
>Ray Mears...
another person not to look up to

>>947832
fucking THIS

i hate sports, but what i hate more are people who are fucking GLUED to watching them constantly

IT MEANS NOTHING, IT IS NOT REAL, YET THEY CRY WHEN THEIR TEAM LOSES

>>947832
Yes. Fuck sports. Just more wool over sheeps eyes.

Everyone has a brain, thats the worst part.

>>947832
>>947869
>>947879
>more "sheeple" tier non-arguments

You must be fun at parties.

>>947787
Because there aren't 46 million illegal immigrants living in the US.

There's about 11 million, and a significant portion of them came into the country legally and over-stayed their visas.

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>defending the mentally ill because he did more in his delusions than you have ever done sane

When they told me /out/ was shit they weren't kidding.

>>947776
>What I'm saying is the term schizophrenia itself, cannot actually exist.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/schizophrenia/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions/Schizophrenia
http://schizophrenia.com/
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/home/ovc-20253194

>>947890
Not an argument.

>>947897
Hard facts by themselves are never an argument. They are just facts.

>>947881
>the fact that im a braindead good boy consumer doesnt mean i'm wrong

>>947898
>being so butthurt about some dude who did more in his delusions than you ever did sane that you have to come in the thread and talk down to people

yessir, they meant it. they meant it because of shitty faggots like yourself.

>>947899
Can you ever not talk in memes? If you can't then don't respond to me again, okay? Thanks.

>>947905
What, youd like me to point how much of a faggot you are because greentext triggers you too? Why the fuck are you even here?

>you have to go back

>>947909
Now I get why you're defending a schizophrenic loser, you can relate!

>>947910
>im a huge faggot please rape my face

>>947911
Who are you quoting?

>>947913
(You)

>>947914
Oh, cool.

So what kind of sports do you like? Mental gymnastics via trying to defend a schizophrenic bum's suicidal journey through the Americas?

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>missing for 5 years
>warrants out for his arrest in Canada
>literally off his meds
>all his toenails fell off
>literally a filthy bum

When does he get a book, movie, and miniseries glorifying this epic fever dream of a journey? Neophytes yuppies need their inspiration now!!!

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MEANWHILE:

>also Canadian, because Canada fucking sucks
http://gadling.com/2012/05/25/meet-the-man-who-spent-11-years-walking-around-the-world-and-the/

6 other people:
https://matadornetwork.com/bnt/seriously-slow-6-travelers-who-walked-around-the-world/

>>947702
I'm actually sort of planning to do this as well.

I first want to head down into the Alps for the summer, then head south for the winter and then eventually I want to get to Nepal.

After that I have no ideas or plans.

>>947947
Is that Christopher McCandless? Looks pretty mentally deranged there.

>>947271
1st post is best post.

>>947950
>>947702
Make sure you see a psychologist first to ensure you are on the right path. Don't let it be something you are running from.

>>947806
Gay people don't hear voices in their heads. Your argument is invalid.

It's not 1972, if you haven't noticed. It's 2017, and schizophrenia is still a mental illness.

Doctors used to masterbate women to treat "hysteria", that doesn't mean manic depressive disorder is fake.

>>947915
>ill just keep posting eventually ill win i know it

>>947959
>Doctors used to masterbate women to treat "hysteria",
Citation needed.
Preferably with pics.

>>947973
https://www.google.com/search?q=Doctors+used+to+masterbate+women+to+treat+%22hysteria%22

>>947399
Here, here. I've seen many young men essentially kill themselves when they hit the end of their rope, the simple fact he didn't die means a great deal towards his sanity, fuck yeah homeboy is /out/

>>947978
No, it means he was very lucky.

>>947979
shut the fuck up you know nothing shitposting faggot. fuccbois like you are the reason /out/ cant have nice things. fuck. off.

>>947448
Living off the land (agricultural) is the opposite of wandering (nomadic/raiding).
Ok, maybe you're saying hunting-gathering is licing off the land. Sorry, misunderstanding.
But this 'homesteading' meme is autistic. Agricultural society is settled society, and is the basis of urban civilisations.
Getting sick of this whole 'off the grid' shit.
And by that, I mean I'm just jealous.

>>947631
>in Europe
In France to be more precise, i can tell from the cops' outfit.

Home sweet home...

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>>947987
>t. babby

>>947957
I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm not insane or have any mental issues.

I just want to explore the world!

It wouldn't be a suicidal trek into the middle of nowhere. I'd plan it, have gear, possibly get odd jobs along the lines way.

I'd consider it more of a very long and very weird holiday l.

>>948001
>fuck you anon you're a shitposter
>i'll just shitpost more, that'll show em

>>947979
>survived cold-ass Canada
>survived nigger-infested USA and deserts
>survived cartel-infested Mexico
>survived amazonian forest
>survived HUE-infested South America

I don't think any amount of pure luck would be enough.

>>947702
Guess, I would try walking somethere some day.
But I will keep away from crime-infested cities, fuck that shit.

>>947261
lol wow he was really lucky for being an insane criminal

How the fuck did he make it through the Amazon just free ballin'?

>>948030
>Wow that dead crazy guy sure was lucky

>>948079
How did he cross 10 borders unnoticed? There are some vast sections of desert. Dude didn't have a map, phone, or anything.

He's some kind of Mr. Magoo.

>>948096
nowhere does it say he died

It even says he hitched rides.

>>948125
> you can drive through the amazon

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>>948137
The 1930s called, they want their world view back.

>>947950
>>948003
Your plan is pretty much the same as mine but I intend to keep going. I'm beginning with a "practice run" around the U.S., then I'm flying down to Patagonia and making my way around the world from there.

>>947957
Perhaps I'm a coward to abandon the fragile being that is society, but the very state of having a career is unnatural. Nothing binds me here besides societal constructs, so if anything I'd say I'm freeing myself.

This /pol/ fearmongering needs to stop.

Get over yourselves.

I would like to read a book about his experiences. He is a valuable repository of authentic survival tips.

>>947554
What a W O N D E R F U L use of our tax dollars. Blessed be the Christian nation that bullies the poor

>entirely unrelated but...

Where can I find the Deluxe Ham-ster wheel with the Productivity Whip tool attachment?

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>>948513
>authentic survival tips

>walk until toenails fall off (pending)
>beg for food from people (check)
>get mugged 2+ times (check)
>warrant out for your arrest (pending)
>grow unkempt beard (check)
>act paranoid and freak out your family (check)
>go off your meds (check)
>stinky (check)

I'M NEARLY THERE NOW

>>947354
You make more trash than that in a day you faggot.

>>948628
I have about 1 bag of trash a month, due to friends bringing food stuffs over sometimes; they buy from a store. Though, there's less now that I bought them some reusable containers to shuttle things back and forth for parties.

>>948753
That's one less bag of garbage than if you kys (not counting yourself)

>>948513
>>948603

But he did survive. Whatever methods he used definitely worked.

Survival isn't about buying shiny titanium gadgets. Its about making do with what you have or what you can easily get. Its messy and dirty business.

That is why I think the best survival teachers are those who have done some miraculous feat of survival themselves.

>>948936
"Surviving" is the very least of the prerequisites for success. He didn't succeed in anything other than ambling around without any goal and most likely not even realizing what he was doing.

>>947832
Yes, watching spectator sports is on par with having a cuckold fetish, actively taking part in organized religion and reading genre fiction. It is among the least patrician of hobbies desu senpai and is fit only for the lowest of proles.

>>947343
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>>949426
>>947349
>>947474
>>947758
Stay on your meds, kid.

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>>947440
From someone who works in ems and has run many psych calls: this is the most beautiful retarded bullshit I have seen in a while. Thank you for making me bust up laughing.

>schizophrenia isn't real.

>>947760
God what a child!
It's too late to deal with kids like you.

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>>949777
Fucking nice trips m8. Good on ya.

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>>950889

>>947343
This. One of the smartest bros i ever had is a schizophrenic.

Legit thinks uncle sam amd nano bots are after him. Hes living on the coast making an osland out of pop bottles. Pretty much cut ties but we still friends. Sad.

We gonna get a party together and send him some plastic liquour bottles from ot we sign. Might keep him from sailing away never to be seen. Apparently he spends like 3 hours a day begging for food and then collects bottles and fishing line for his island. Kinda hope a storm gets it or we can get someone down there to cut it up.

Part of me knows he cant be saved and it woukd crush him.

Bit part of me knows he is absolutly bat shit crazy and maybe hurting himself os better than being locked up?

I dont know.

Fucking sucks. Guy is littereally a genius and he soends his days begging and tieng bottles together.

>>947528
/out/ of his mind

This motherfucker actually thought it was a good idea to walk trough Central America?

I'm from a South American shithole and i would do it only if there was a 1 million prize for doing it.

>>947534
> One day you will meet your creator.

Good because I have some serious questions for that asshole

>>947261
asdf

>>947566
>by Lauren Sandler
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME

>>947608
collapse of our welfare systems

>>950891
>literally a genius
>spends all day tying bottles together
choose one

>>954752
Most true geniuses are crazy. It might be different if they all joined in some village to live together instead of living with normies that drive them crazy.