So I'm a click away from ordering an ESEE 6 with associated

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tacticool

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Overpriced

Too big for real outdoors use, cool to fuck around.

You'll get sick and tired of a knife that big and heavy and cumbersome if you spend days outdoors and have to do menial tasks with it daily.

ESEE rust like mutherfuckers

Lurk around on the second hand market for one at a better pricepoint, quality knives only gain character with use.

I have the cm6 which is ok. I considered buying a 3 for mountaineering but set my mind on better options.

ESEE are good "package" knives, good knife+sheath pack for the beginner or for gifting someone.

Get a bk16, with a kydex sheat and micarta scales.

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>>938440

They're ok but very overhyped on the internet.

They're overpriced for the materials they use but they're well designed and come with good sheaths and carry systems, unlike many knives.

Dont get carried away by the warranty, and forget about it if you're not american. The number one thing that can happen is that you lose it, not that you break it.

Many many high end knives come with the same warranty, they just dont publicize it as much.

The coating on ESEE knives is shit. Like sandpaper, but the edge angles are good and the knives tough.

I find them quite uncomfortable in the hand, as they dont round the scales and feel very flat.

Also there's this that has just come out. Take a look before you buy the regular 6, costs 140 at knifecenter.

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>>938440
>$200
>1095
Anon you're being ripped off.

>>938470

>Survive

You're being ripped off as well

TRC is the real deal

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Thanks for the help, y'all.

>>938454
Good to know from someone who owns a similar model. I am planning to get a small blade for woodworking/dressing small game/menial tasks. I figured I should have a larger knife, and the 6 is lighter than the 5. Getting one secondhand sounds like a much better option.

>>938459
Will look into it. I like kbars.

>>938468
The sheath and carry system is a huge selling point for me... could you suggest a manufacturer with similar gear but higher-quality steel?

I've heard they are uncomfortable so I thought I'd order the blade alone and some G10 scales that are contoured. Brand new comes out to $118.

>>938470
Looks good but a little out of my price range for something that doesn't come with a sheath.

>>938471
Damn those are nice, but again out of my price range for a blade alone.

>>938440
>better use for my $200.
Get 10 moras and a 50 dollar folder.

>$200 for any blade

Condor Stratos, my God.

>>938508
wow Condor has some great tools for the price.
thanks, man

Its a nice knife, no question... Thing is, like others have said, its a LOT of knife. So much you'll probably not use it anywhere near its limits.

This might offend some people here, but if i was gonna tell someone to pick up a knife for /out/doors, and they wanted the best value, Id point them to the Gerber Strongarm. If they wanted a combo edge, Sog Sealpup(or maybe the combo edge strongarm. I personally like the handle on the sealpup better, but the weight, sheath, tang on the gerber are better.)

for $50, you'll be hard pressed to do better... And this is coming from someone who really hates the gerber brand(Their non-BG branded stuff is generally shit, and the BG branded stuff is a specially low quality tier of shit. That said, the LMF2, Prodigy, and Strongarm are solid for their price and uses[the lmf2 uses being incredibly narrow make it tough to recommend tho])

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I bought an ESEE 6 (plain edge, no swedge) a while back. The Knife Connection has them for $112 with free shipping. I already have a ton on smaller knives, including Moras and other /out/ist-approved meme blades. I mainly bought this as an alternative for carrying a smaller knife and a hatchet. I think it will do fine in that role when paired with a light folding saw like the Silky Gomboy that I bought from Amazon for $34.

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Buck 104 "Compadre" Camp Knife.

>made in USA
>5160 steel, tougher, more rust resistant than 1095
>leather sheath
>bright red blade so hard to lose in the bush
>~$60 or under

I had one and fucking hated it. The choil just got in the way when I was trying to cut shit, and the handle is square like a 2x4 and super uncomfortable.

Traded mine for an even shittier benchmade

Any recommandations for euro cucks? Your dollar prizes dont translate well because of taxes and retailer charging a premium.
Good knive under 100€. No Mora. Germany preferred.

>>938470
steelfags are dumb

>>938648
5160 has the same rust resistance as 1095.
The small amount of Chromium is there as a grain refiner.
In order to be considered stainless, a steel needs to have something like 12% Chromium.
So the amount of it in 5160 offers no significant advantages in terms of corrosion resistance.

Also, the 1095 is likely 1095CV. Hich is just 1095 with Chromium and Vanadium added for grain refinement.

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go with a smaller one, it will be overall more usefull to you

>>938731

Depends on what country you live in.

>>938731

Eickhorn, Böker (NOT Böker Plus)...

Germany has the best knife retailers btw...

The most patrician knife store there is in Europe is ran by a single guy in Germany

>>938731
You mean buy from Germany or made in Germany?

>>938771
>>938780
I live in germany.

>>938772
Thanks for the suggestion buddy.

>>938614
nice score on the gomboy that's what I was going to pair with the esee6. how's that working out for ya?

get the TOPS BOB.
or esee 4 is also good dut the BOB is better, sold my esee because i never used them compared to my BOB

>>938755
>X steel costs $30 for O amount
>Y steel costs $100 for O amount
>acknowledging that is dumb
k

>>938915
Material is not the only factor in cost of product.

>>938440
I have an ESEE 4 and when I need something bigger I go with a Becker BK7, I love both but use them for different things

If you want something fuckhuge get the Becker, its cheaper.

I'd order custom scales for it at least though

Ok, so bushcraft doesn't require a big knife unless your.....drumroll....batoning.

I don't know when, and I don't know how, but apparently there's a market for overbuilt knives that are used as shitty excuses for axes and wedges.

A knife that's good at batoning large wood has to sacrifice being nimble and small enough to get into tight spaces.

When the fuck did batoning become the gold standard for outdoor knives in your crowd, and did you know that you're all a bunch of idiots?

A good bushcrafter wouldn't baton his precious knife through anything larger than kindling. For anything larger, he would take his small knife and make a wedge.

Like so: https://youtu.be/lo-x4uwo-hM

TL:DR Batoning firewood with a big knife marks you as an idiot bushcrafter.

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>>940272
>Batoning firewood with a big knife marks you as an idiot bushcrafter
found the "know it all" comedian

>>938766
Posting from Australia?

>>940358
actually he's right

>>940620
no, im just a dirty filthy wrong hand using phone poster

>>938454
The price goes in the insurance.


Basically, if you fuck your knife, you ship the fucked knife to them with nothing but your address and they ship you another one.

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>>938440
What will you do with this knife that you can't do with this one?

(seriously, I want to know why you want bigass expensive knives)

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>>940638
>for fun
>for the "feel" of it
>the quality, the warrenty the inherrent trust you have in a supperior product
>battoning :^)

there is "nothing" you inherintly couldent do with a tiny opinel, will in my experiance keeping an opinel sharp is a pain in the dogs bollocks,

what your buying is something that gives that extra feeling when you use it, same reason people buy good cars, it "doesnt" do any better then a volvo but it feels better

>>940641
>a supperior product
Hmmm...

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>>940643
>Hmmm...
indeed

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>>938731
Swedish Casström (pic related) or Varusteleka's puukkos.

>>940622
Thank you.

You know that scene from spaceballs where lord helmet says "I'm surrounded by assholes"

Every time I see people praising overbuilt baton-meme knives I feel like that.

>>938915
>knife made of X steel uses $10 worth of material, costs $25
>knive made of Y steel uses $30 worth of snowflake material, costs $250

So for X, you are paying $15 for everything beyond the raw material and for the same thing with Y, you are paying $220.

Good steel does not cost that much as far as raw material. You are paying for retarded branding and thay "USA!!!" stamp so you can show people that you are speshul because you have a speshul knife.

>>940641
>keeping an opinel sharp
Why? I don't shave with it, but sure, folding knives are a pain to keep clean.

I don't need a warranty on a $10 product.
And it feel like being 100 years ago, it's just not made with a goat horn.

>>940747
im sorry, English is not my first language. what does this mean

>Why? I don't shave with it, but sure, folding knives are a pain to keep clean.
what did you mean by this? i did not talk about keeping the blade clean,

also what did you mean by
>I don't need a warranty on a $10 product.
And it feel like being 100 years ago, it's just not made with a goat horn.

i dont understand.

>>940660
AHM SPORTIN MURICA WITH MUH OVERPRICED KNIFE

>>940756
The filth goes in the mechanism and when it's food, it become a microbe nest.

>>940762
eh, i trust my imune system, i bombard it constantly with way worse things then found in the swivel of an opinel

>>940660

But what you can't tell by the material selection is the quality of the heat treatment.

Cheap knives get cheap heat treatment because superior heat treating takes time and money.

>>940272
>Batoning firewood with a big knife marks you as an idiot bushcrafter.

One could get by just fine with a folding saw. (Siberian fires ftw) Splitting wood seems totally unnecessary to me. On the other hand if you enjoy it and you don't mind carrying a large knife than go do what you enjoy. I can't knock anyone for just doing what they enjoy and what works for them. If you met someone who was an awesome bushcrafter except they liked batoning would you give them shit for it all the time?

>>940641
>Condor Bushlore
Mah nigga. That is just a great value knife regardless of what you want to do with it. The leather sheath it comes with is amazing for the price you're paying.

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OP here. Thanks dudes, your thoughts and suggestions have been helpful and greatly appreciated. Got a fat paycheck and have decided to go with the Bradford Guardian 4. $250 for M390 steel, 6.3oz, 60RC hardness. I haven't decided on G10 or micarta scales. Comes with a nice leather sheath but I'm entertaining the idea of making my own kydex later on so I can line up to the rivets on the ESEE molle sheath.

Anyone here own a Bradford?

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>>941032
this finish is hella cool but I wonder how smooth it is

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>>938471
>TRC

OP again. This:
http://www.trcknives.com/gbr/page/tr-13
looks awesome and because the blade+sheath are made to order I could have him line up the rivets on the kydex with the ESEE sheath. Only problem is the flat scales. I'll get in touch with him and if there's a relatively inexpensive workaround to this problem I might just go with this TR-13. ELMAX steel with slightly thicker blade than the Bradford weighing in 8oz for ~$260.

Thanks anon.

>>938648
>drop knife during fall in Canada
>zoinks

>>940921
Well, I haven't yet. I would probably question them on the practicality of it.

I do agree about the folding saw. I can do a lot more with a good folding saw and a small knife than anyone can with an overbuilt meme-tier knife.

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>>940761
Someone say murica?

>>941048

TRC happened to produce my favorite knife. Wish I could post a pic or name it. It fits my hand perfectly. Scales are round. I tried searching it and I am not sure it is in production anymore. Sort of similar to a TRC-12.

>>941699

ehh i got a number off the box- trc0046. doesn't seem to be being sold anymore

>>938907

I haven't tried it yet, I just bought it.

>>941141
>I can do a lot more with a good folding saw and a small knife than anyone can with an overbuilt meme-tier knife.

How can you actively speak like that? I typically could give a shit about whatever in gear choices. But I dont understand people's logic in all of this.

>>941694
Interesting point, you can travel from the Case factory, the Ka-Bar factory and the OKC factory in just an afternoon. The Case/Zippo tour and museum is really cool btw

>>938454

It's not really that big, it's a thin blade so it doesn't weigh any thing. You're clearly retarded.

If it is good enough for MCQbushcraft, a guy who lives and teaches bushcraft skills, it's good enough for some one who prob doesn't even get out 1/5 of how much he gets out.

Get after market scales (or make, not hard to do) redo the angle a bit and get the none coated version, it becomes a good to a bad ass knife.

You also can't beat the warranty (I broke mine from doing strength test. Hammered it into a tree only 4 inches and stood on the handle. Broke after my fat ass of a friend jumped onto it.)

All this is coming from a guy who has been making knives for the last 14 plus yrs. Any one interested in my work, then check out my shit. If you do any custom order, use code word /out/, I will give 15% discount.

http://helmforge.blogspot.com/?m=0

>>941984

Also, check out my youtube. Like, comment and share.

https://m.youtube.com/user/Helmforge

>>941984
If you have to decide a knifes worth by what famous guy uses it, instead of your own needs, then why are you buying a $200 knife?

>>941984
>if its good enough for MCQbushcraft....

I stopped reading right there you faggot.

>>942096
maybe you should have you lazy faggot
>All this is coming from a guy who has been making knives for the last 14 plus yrs

what sharpener should i get for my knife/axe? A puck?

I recently bought a Gerber LMF 2, did I fuck up?

>>938440
junglas all the way

>>938440
>ESEE
quality blade for all purpose activity and farming but too big to weld for protection when you camp and hunt. Would buy if I had spare change but would not buy for camping, fishing or hunting.

>>943169
Gerber makes good knives. My mate bought a strong arm and handles woodwork and various other fuckery and look like he had little issue sharpening it.

>>943174
>to weld for protection when you camp and hunt.

keyboard warrior detected.

There's only a handful or predators that you have to worry about in the woods.

-bears
-cougars & mountain lions

Bears have an amazing sense of smell. way way way better than a dog. The Revenant is not a how to guide for surviving bear attacks. Your best bet is to suspend your food sources and carry bear spray.

Predator cats can be more dangerous because they'll stock you, sneak up, and attack from behind. I guess, maybe, a knife could help. Maybe.

The best preventative device for predator attacks is: bear dogs. Trained dogs will scare predators away long before they get close enough to cause you harm. They'll also hear and smell the predator long before you will.

>>938440
20 moras

>>943314
>keyboard warrior detected

>>943174
you'll use it for "all purposes" EXCEPT for camping, hunting, fishing. What else would you use it for? Quit doing meth.

>>944187
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/merlin-hallock-jag-cougar-1.3967798

Like I said, fuckface, bears and big cats.

>>938495
Anon, if you're still here, go to theknifeconnection site. You can build a knife how you want it from scratch. Pick a blade, handle scales, sheath material, and accessories if you want them. Can get a custom knife for yourself.

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>>938766
Hva fanden en anden /out/ stodder?
nice dubs

>>946174
Vi er mindst 3 nu. Ser nu danskere herinde fra tid til anden

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>>946174
>>946756
vi er overraskende mange Danskere på /out/ vi må lave en tråd en eller anden dag hvis vi bliver flere og der er interesse for det

Mora Garberg is less expensive and a super duper knife, I have one and you should have one too!

Is that a sharpened swedge?
That part might not be good for innawoods anon

>>938648
>5160 steel, tougher, more rust resistant than 1095
5160 is about as tough and strong as 1075. 1095 will hold an edge longer. 5160 and 1075 are great for pry bars and crow bars, swords and axes. with knives, you can be more forgiving with toughness and seek higher strengths.

as for rust resistant, thats not true at all. also, seasoning a knife with gun oil will make it rust resistant no matter what steel it's made out of.

>>938911
just got my bob 2 months ago. cant wait for warmer weather to try it out.

>>943169
>$120
>not even full tang
I would not have bought it for 12 hamburgers, let alone 120 hamburgers

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>>943170

Utter pleb all the way

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>>946868

>>946835
Edge retention and toughness are as much or more dependent on heat treat than composition in those steels.

5160 at 60 RWC will hold an edge longer than 1095 at 57 RWC.

A talented smith can make an excellent knife from 5160 or 1075 that will likely out perform something mass produced.

>>938495
I didn't like the balance, it was too butt-heavy. That and the handle scales are too square. But otherwise great knife.

>>946839
>warmer weather
>owning a "single season bob"

Fucking unbelievable.

>>943314
I am pretty sure you don't win a melee fight against a cougar. The only way to win that game is to not play. Spook him away one way or another.

What scare me is if they attack while I sleep. Seriously, it keep me awake.

>>948694
>keep me awake

Then it won't happen, now will it?

>>948694
This is the exception, however.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/red-deer-man-punches-cougar-at-tim-hortons-to-save-dog-1.3914210

>>943169
It's no work horse but it'll cut things.

>>948641
>I don't want to test my emergency bag in the cold weather so I'll wait until the spring to try it.
Sit down.

>>941984
O shit boi thats you? Big fan ive watched so many of your vids

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>>938440
$200? they're $130 on bladeHQ and knifecenter

hope you're getting these colors btw. never lose it

>>943174
crack head

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>>940272
Or maybe some people just like big knives... they may not be the most efficient at some tasks, but one may find them fun... and last time I checked most people go out to have fun.

I like many types of knives, and many ways of doing things... this is why I have many knives, and I'll bring 3 or so with me. It works well, I have a woods home in central Maine, I leave for few day hikes, and then come back for a few days... so weight is not a supper huge deal for me.

>>940641 this guy gets it >>951307 as does this guy.

>>951334
All I know is a wise bushcrafter wouldn't risk breaking his knife because having one, that isn't broken, is pretty important.

>>941032
>M390
>/out/

Lol good luck with that brittle ass steel for /out/ use. You got memed by "SuperSteel" marketing.

>>951466
M390 is not a supper brittle though relatively speaking. Sure it's not 5160 or 3V, but look at the design of the knife, it's not meant to be a tank, it's a light use, fine task, knife.

This knife is perfect for all the fags on /out that claim how much they can get by with an Openel.

Personally I would (and do) carry knives like this in combination with a larger knife.

>>951492
>Muh wear resistance
>Muh vanadium

The only potential /out/ related task where abrasive wear resistance is an advantage is skinning animals.

Otherwise, unless you are planning to slice a bunch of cardboard, rope or carpet while /out/, the wear resitance is actually counter-productive.

This is because it reduces apex stability (the ability of a steel to resist microscopic chipping and rolling at the apex), which is much more important for edge retention in push-cutting type work (cutting wood, food prep) than wear resitance is.

3V would be a far better choice for this type of application as it still has decent wear resistance while have much better apex stability and being much less brittle.

>>951466
you have no idea what you're talking about son

>>938440
If you're spending $200, get something like an lt wright genesis or similar.