Thoughts on using a downsuit for Alpinism at 15,000-20,000 feet?

>planning mountaineering trips in the andes
>can't answer questions like this yourself
probably want to get a little more experience first, anon...

>>931346

Your not planning ascents in the Andes. Why are you asking this question? Is it part of your fantasy?

the catch is they're hot as shit? have you ever been mountaineering? yes its cold but you're also exherting yourself in the sun all fucking day.

> would not wear outside of antarctica / 10

If you put a stem on your head you could cos play The Great Pumpkin and freak everybody out!

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>>931346
>ASSENTS

Clearly you have no clue what you are doing, so I don't think your actually going to go mountaineering in the Andes. But since I'm here, the Andes are not as cold as most places at such an elevation. I went backpacking from Ecuador through Patagonia and I never needed more than two medium layers, and it really only got cold at night

>>931346
>>Alpinism
>>Fuck off huge downsuit for siege style 8000M peaks

Yer gonna die

>>931897
This

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>>931897
This.

Recently did a 18500ft peak in a storm, temperatures in negative °F. Wore a simple base layer, a fleece and a windstopper. Wasn't even cold. Throw in a down jacket, and you can basically withstand almost anything the Andes will throw at you if you don't venture out in a killer storm.

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>8 layers
Wat

>>932559
True fact, had a kickass windbreaker, forgot the brand, mother up and got rid of it saying I didn't need it. All I wore under it was a t-shirt and I was almost sweating, relatives from Washington State cold as shit wearing large goose filled parkas. Me hot and almost bothered looking sleak as shit. Miss that coat. Saved the pants though. Wind/water shell master race all the way.. better if it wicks moistures away from your body without having to replace a coating/treatment from the jacket/pants/etc.

>>931346
>I CAN'T PUT MY ARMS DOWN

>>931346

You're gonna die

Three layers is optimal + a good warm coat for when you stop

Then leggings and good cold weather pants.

Socks and boots.

That's it.

>>931346
You'll sweat like crazy until the down soaks through, then you'll freeze to death.

Good luck!

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>>931596
Cayambe was pretty cold when I was there. The wind was also pretty bad. Cotopaxi on the other hand wasn't bad at all. As with all mountains, things can change quite a bit depending on when you're there.

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Just take a dip into the hot tub at the summit if you get too cold.

>>932559
Is this elbrus east summit?
I was on west summit in September. Would've gone up to east too, but wheather got pretty shitty so went down instead.

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>>936621
mfw filename

>>936621
East summit indeed, came in from the North route during a storm. West summit would've tacked on another couple hours, but my guide didn't want to risk it as he wasn't sure if I could make it when we had to choose. Turns out I was on par with the average mountain guide as we shaved 2-3 hours off of the average time despite being held back by others until 5000m; we probably could've pulled it off. Would've been harsh though. Mixed feels as this was my second Elbrus attempt, but still happy. Might come back for West summit traversée or West route.

How was your ascent btw?

>>936645
I see, same problem.

Ascend was pretty good. Did classic south route without guide but man, what a shitty climb.
Lots of people and the mountain is basically a giant pile of trash on this side.

Started summit push from Prijut11 at 3am und arrived after 5000ft at West Summit on ~11am.
Heard West traverse is pretty good, would not recommend south route.

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>>936681
Did north on both occasions, which is basically pristine, rarely more than 15-20 climbers plus 'workforce' in camp. You won't find more than the occasional sweet wrapper for trash. Infrastructure is basic, but at least in 2016 we didn't have to transport a backpack full of cooking gas to high camp anymore, there's porters who take care of that now.

Highly recommended desu, got any pics of south route?

Sorry if I am hijacking this thread but I don't want to make my own. Since we are talking about winter clothing what do you guys think about this. Would this be sufficient for a Finnish winter camping trip

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>>936732

see

>>934792

In Finland you can buy good clothing at the local supermarket

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>>936851
>In Finland you can buy good clothing at the local supermarket
Wut? No you can't.

Source: I'm in Finland. Partioaitta has good shit but is cunting expensive. Scandanavian Outdoor and XXL are cheaper. Just picked up pic related for 100 euro.

>>936732
Mate that thing will be a huge pain in the ass. I'm sure you know this already, but the correct answer is wearing layers instead of one heavy thing.
As soon as you exert yourself (hiking/snowshoeing is exertion), you'll be wanting to tear that stupid thing off. If you have layers, you'll be able to mix and match for your actual needs

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>>936729
View from Prijut 11

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>>936729
Up the slopes

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>>937325
We were alone at the top wich was pretty nice.
Up high it was really nice, only the bottom part which you have to get through first sucks, but it gets better the higher you get.

>>937325
Holy shit, is that a motherfucking road? Starting to see what you mean. Even a trail like >>937327 is rare on the North side. There's a bunch of sometimes rough small walking trails up to high camp, and a shoddy snow track up to Lenz Rock but once there, there's nothing. Had to make our way through knee deep snow for several hours to get to the summit.

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>>937337
Yeah, a road for ratracs carrying up tourists to 5000m/16000ft.

Route from West or North is a totally different story. I probably won't return to Elbrus, but when I do with Skiis only.

>>937358
>taking a snow truck up to 5000m and claiming you climbed Elbrus
That'd be quite the joke.
North route is still quite accessible, there's basic infrastructure etc - supplies can be provided etc. West route is an entirely self-sufficient expedition. Skiing would be nice, met a few Icelandic dudes who did it.

>>937376
It's a shame indeed. But this is the current development on all easily accessible mountains.
Being on the mountains is en vouge but 98% lack the necessary skills/cardio and will happily throw in couple $$$ to brag about it on #instagram or die.

Any next plans?

>>937389
Kazbek again late this year if all goes well. Hopefully some 7000m peaks in Central Asia in the coming years. Starting 'easy' with Lenin Peak.