well whats going on in dakota? do you already help the peopl

>>905241
>regime forces already build a military-afghanistan-style base in front of the protesters camp... violiations of human rights in the usa - trumpistan:

interesting...

This is fundamentally a huge property rights issue. Nothing to do with environmentalism imo.

livestream

https://youtu.be/Wniq3E7km5Y

>>905242
>Nothing to do with environmentalism imo.
uh? are you serious into out? you make me sad.

>>905241
>trumpistan:
>the guy who won't even be in office for another month and a half is to blame

This is a bit of a sore subject for me. My GF went up there with her friends to protest for a week and camp out. It was colder than they expected and her friends noped the fuck out and turned back. My GF would have none of it and decided to tough it out then hitch back. She got taken in by an older native guy and has been sleeping in his van. I am pretty uncomfortable with the whole situation to tell you the truth :(

the Indians only turned down the govt initially because they didn't offer enough money. And now they're mad when it's not even on their land. The whole "Indian sacred grounds" nonsense is silly.

I don't like pipelines at all but I don't really give a fuck about this one specifically. It's now become a meme like Occupy where leftists go camp and socialize and do nothing.

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>>905281
+1 cuck

>>905281
>older native
>uncut

Enjoy kissing on that.

>>905292
oh look.. its dennis waterman in the woods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uOngXn0CGI

>>905281
Sorry man that's what you get for dating a hippy
>>905291
This, it's easily become one of these paowows like occupy where more than half of the protesters there are just there to virtuesignal and socialize, it will be over soon enough when Obama sends the order to hit them with a snow plow

>>905297
>Obama doing anything
Fucking hilarious!

is there sex going on up there

>>905281
Is this bait?

>>905293
>being mutilated
weewww my joo friendo.

>>905349
no one gut ur benis?

Should we send an /out/ contingent up there?
Will someone lead us to victory?
We could invite /k/ to come with us .
They like us like a little brother.

>>905281
I'm sure the pipeline situation sucks for the tribe, but I bet the influx of SJW pussy is a nice side benefit for the braves.

>>905281
my wife and tyrone are just friends

>>905241
>well whats going on in dakota?

people are butthurt about not getting a piece of profit and are playing the environment card

>/out/'s should send them blankets
laced with viruses? that's pretty dark

>>905420
No buddy. And feels nice to have a roof over my head.

If you think the injuns are the victims in this situation you're an uninformed retard

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>>905241
/pol/ is the place for this discussion, not /out/.

If you want the red-pill, I'll give you the spoiler: the injuns were offered money to build through their land, and they turned it down, so Dakota Access purchased different land, and now the injuns want their gibs, so they protest.

Don't support them unless you understand both sides and all the context.

Now start a thread in /pol/.

Someone tl;dr this situation for me.
All I see are idiot protesters and untrained cops; a loose-loose scenario.

>>905242
Trump isn't even president yet...

Why didn't they just build the pipeline on its original route?

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>>905241
I wish the gov't would just build these guys a couple casinos and a few liquor stores so they can just get on with this pipeline. That's all those injuns really want.

>>905726
One of the multiple pipelines in the us is being boycotted. Initially it went through native land? But then they moved it but natives are still saying its their land, something about a lake they claim is holy, drinking water ect. I dont know why this one is such a huge deal when theres been oil pipelines around for decades.

None of these protesters have said a fuckin word about flint so they can all fuck off. Thats a case were .gov actually fucked up drinking water for thousands of people.
Fuck natives too

>>905836
>dont know why this one is such a huge deal when theres been oil pipelines around for decades

because exactly that

carbon energy belongs in the 20th century and must be killed before it kills us

I expected more from /out/ desu

>>905722
But it's still disputed land
>the govt is ignoring another treaty with the natives and violating all kinds of human rights
>shocker

>>905241
incredible
retards are already blaming trump for this

>>905281
Well at least you have some free time to find a new girlfriend.

>talking about Keystone, which got started so long ago I don't even remember when the protests began
>blame the guy not in office yet
Listen, I hate Trump too but this is out-and-out retarded.

>>905909
>>905909
I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet. She was having trouble getting her phone to take a charge so I have not been in contact with her for a while.
I feel like it looks bad from here but I have no idea what the actual deal is.

>>905899
It's not disputed, it's all being built on privately-owned non-Injun land.

>>905911
You are one optimistic anon, that is so endearing.

Keeping your chin up while your SJW GF is getting railed by a 70 year old indian is admirable.

>>906077
>chief thundercock

>>905884
>Abundant easy to store fuel with fantastic energy density shouldn't be used because I say so

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>>905281

Any pics of her body? No face needed!

I want to see what chief Balls-deep is deep-drilling every night and what his new GF's body looks like.

>>906113
You need to take the feelings of the natives into account.
They take sacred ground very seriously

>>906250
Afaik it was moved to private property.

>>905884
So why protest this one specifically and not all the others if its about oil? Oil is a great source of energy.
If you dont like that support nuclear. Its our best option handsdown.

>>906258
>If you dont like that support nuclear.
How about solar and wind?
Or even just using less engergy

>>905241
Lmao if these faggots just got some guns this conflict would be over within 30 minutes.

>>905248
You're not idiot. Other poster is right. This has absolutely nothing to do with environment. It's a mask that the media and protestors use to try and glorify their cause. It is absolutely a property rights issue

>>906259
Because we live in the real world where solar and wind and any other "renewable" aren't enough to meet our energy demands. One day the renewables may be cheap enough without subsidies that we can rely on them en masse, but until then, if you believe we have a "carbon" problem, then you should support the strong baseload tried and true non carbon fuel source that already comprises like a quarter of the US' energy generation.

>but spoopy nuclear waste
We keep it in casks until we have enough that the need to reprocess is greater than our desire to be a "good" example by not reprocessing. Reprocessing gives us even more fuel (or a bigger stockpile if we want).

Damn ,looks like they won.
Glad I supported a losing cause

>>906514
>noncarbon fuel...already a quarter of the US' energy production
What fuel is that?

>reprocess
It's called breeder reactors, bud, and they're illegal in the US because the plutonium they produce is used in nuclear weapons.

>>906250
Is this bait?

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>>905241
I don't get it, honestly. This isn't the first pipeline to cross under the Missouri. It's not even the first to cross under the Missouri in that area. Blocking the pipeline will either cause it to be rerouted or cause the oil to be sent by train instead. These are net neutral and net negative in terms of environmental impact relative to building the pipeline as planned, respectively.

I'm all for keeping the oil in the ground and transitioning to carbon-neutral energy sources. I'm all for protecting water. I just don't see how this accomplishes either. Pushing for more stringent monitoring for leaks on the pipeline or something would have made far more sense.

>>906866
The voice of reason nobody seems to want to here.

>>906866
Because it doesn't really have anything to do with any of that, the natives were just mad that the company didn't pay them more to use their land and started shit over it. Then college kids etc glommed on not understanding anything.

The protesters should start shooting the security and tell them to fuck off. Apparently they're going to start starving them out though.

Just shoot the security and start what this will all boil down to anyway. The security shits deserve it.

Jesus do none of you follow the news?
The indians pretty much won today.

>>906866
I think for lots of environmentalists it's a symbolic thing. Sure, it probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it's about saying no to oil. For many anyway...

>>905241
How are so many people able to just camp at these types of things for so long? Even if they don't have jobs, how do they afford to be there and buy all their gear?

>>906608
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nuclear+power+us

>it's called breeder reactors bud
I'm literally right now getting a PhD in nuclear engineering at the best school in the world for it. Go look up reprocessing, read my post again, and then tell my why I'm wrong.

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>>906259
((((((((((((((((((You)))))))))))))))))))

its over now isn't it? who cares.

>>906514
>One day the renewables may be cheap enough without subsidies that we can rely on them en masse, but until then
ironic considering how propped up coal and coal developments are on bullshit fucking subsidies. dont get me wrong, I'm okay with nuclear, but its ridiculous and a complete fallacy to have one standard for coal and another for renewables.

>>905242
Trump isn't the president yet. Obama was the one who could have stopped the pipeline you autist.

>>907173
If its over, then why isnt my girlfriend back?

>>906915
You're a retarded faggot. The second they start shooting it's all over for them. Enjoy your massacre.

>>905242
>>905248
>>905248
It's absolutely both a property issue and an environmental issue. Its about the people in an area having a choice in whether or not a potentially hazardous, certainly polluting pipeline can be built near them.
Pipelines burst, not all the time, and many don't, but oil spills are catastrophic enough that a community should have the right to avoid the risk altogether.
The DAP may never malfunction, but if it ever does, it is just upriver from Standing Rock and who's ecosystem would be ruined.
remember what happened after deepwater horizon, cause it can happen again.

>>905281
It sounds like you guys have some relationship issues, you should be honest with her about how much this bothers you. Enforce your boundaries and respect yourself most of all.

>>907973
>It sounds like you guys have some relationship issues,

It sure does. I had no idea until now because something like this had never come up.
There was never any probing pillow talk that went " would it be ok if I went off and slept in a van with a middle aged Indian guy?".
I would have certainly let her know I did not approve.
Still no contact from her and my heart is breaking.
Not sure I can continue the relationship no matter what she says now.
I am also fighting some pretty racist feelings I did not know lived inside of me :(

If this thing is over, why is NPR still reporting on it every 30 seconds?

>>906866
It gets people talking. If we stand around and do nothing nothing will ever change

>>907970

>deepwater horizon
>pipeline

it's funny how clueless and passionate people are about transportation in general

the ironing is that more oil was spilled by protestors driving up from as far away as the west coast than will likely ever breach from a modern pipe

also anywhere there is roads (standing rock for example) there are culverts and ditches and the possibility of tanker truck crashing and spilling 10 000 gallons+ of whatever into wherever

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>>908172
>the ironing is that more oil was spilled by protestors driving up from as far away as the west coast than will likely ever breach from a modern pipe
[citation needed]

Also, are you really trying to compare the amount of petrol burned into the atmosphere through driving with an environmental spill of crude oil?

>>908252

>burned into the atmosphere through driving
>spilled at the fuel station
>leaks due to equipment failure and disrepair
>crashes

these things happen all day, every day

pipeline breaches occur very infrequently:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/pipeline/2015/ssep-sspo-2015-tbls.asp

>>908322
The numbers are not what is important here.
The issue is that this is hurting native feelings.
You guys dont put enough value on this. These people are really upset and the right does not seem to care about it.

>>907983
You got cucked hard bro, time to move on

>>908438
Remember that we have only one side of the story there chief standing bull.

long story short send me money i'll try to help you , made enough money to live nice , retires , Greenpeace , enviormentalist everybody

>>908558
>Greenpeace
Fuck off, hippy.

>>908564
> wants all Greenpeace people executed
> gets called a hippy fuck off

>>908568
Thats what.you get for voting democrat

>>908564
I dont think your reading comprehension is very good anon

>>905281
Find yourself someone who actually cares about your loyalty.

>>905241
>/out/'s should send them blankets.
manifest destiny tier prank: send them blankets infested with smallpox.

>>905241
as someone who worked in oil and gas and now in environmental I can say, the amount of smaller pipeline spills you never hear about is absolutely insane. Fucking all the time. That being said, most of the ones these days seem to get attended to in some fashion. The old ones, someone starts digging and then they find oil everywhere in the ground from 50 years ago. Then the good thing is someone tends to address it and not just rebury it these days.

But honestly, the oil is just going to go by train or truck anyway and there are a lot of spills that way too when there are accidents. If it was me, I'd have a stipulation in there that they have to line the entire right of way of the pipeline with clay to minimize the spread of any leakage and make cleanup easier. Then there should be special safety measures in place near an body of water to put any accidental spill at the absolute minimum risk. Proper training and empowerment in regard to response is a biggie.

>>907983
>racism
>something that should be fought
It's pretty disappointing to see this meme still existing in 2016, desu.

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>they are trespassing on land that doesn't belong to them
>they are vandalizing said land just like these faggots do at every "protest"
>they have no legal ground to stand on
>they have no logical ground to stand on
>the tribe is only after money
>the Army Core and pipeline company has given them every opportunity to be reasonable
>the tribe has ignored them almost entirely
>this was all revealed in court after these idiots tried to sue the company
>the tribe just wants money
>they want an "oil toll" for oil that doesn't even pass through their land
That's the reality of the situation. If the tribe really cared about "their" land, they wouldn't be purely shekel begging. If the protesters really cared about the tribe they wouldn't be illegally camping and being melodramatic on Twitter. Reservations are basically 3rd world countries and that isn't the fault of pipelines. If the protesters really cared about oil, they wouldn't be ILLEGALLY CAMPING AND BEING MELODRAMATIC ON TWITTER. These idiots are just being annoying until other people have to take action. Hopefully that action is beating them down and throwing them out of the state and not trying to appease these morons with some dumb compromise that just costs the tax payers a bunch of money. Which I guarantee that's what will happen. We're going to end up paying for the pipeline being moved slightly to the left because some idiots stomped their feet like children.

>>910154
The indians dont like having to do all this bullshit to get money any more than you do but they have no other way to get the money they deserve.
What the hell would you suggest they do?

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>>910179
>the money they deserve

>>910154
>make claim, only 1 article can be found to back it up
>tribe has logical ground of protecting it's water sources
>tribes legal ground falls under the same thought process, communities must be protected
the protest started because the pipeline threatened what is LITERALLY the only water supply for that reservation. also, if you want to run with that claim that the tribe is only after money, you should look for more proof than just one Washington Examiner article which cites "privy sources"

>>910186
>had to Google the counter narrative just to try and dispute it
every time with you people

>LITERALLY the only water supply
>what is well water?
And no it doesn't in any way shape or form but you probably have no idea what the actual construction looks like and are just a hysterical moron. Everything you just said is an ignorant lie. Even if the pipeline were to have a massive leak, it's under the river by more depth than is considered safe. The entire design is to protect the river. It's couldn't leak into the river if they actively tried.

>you should look for more proof than just one Washington Examiner article which cites "privy sources"
You mean like the burial ground bullshit? Or literally any narrative coming from the protesters? At least this confirms what every rational person has known from the beginning. They're not being cooperative, even though nobody has any obligation to talk/help them in the first place. The deserve nothing from this, but they gave them something, and they just want more.

>>910204
Technically this whole country is theirs, we are here at their pleasure only

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>>910242
Yeah, sure.

I just got back after being out there for three and a half weeks. Being a long time Earth First!er, amongst other things, and having connections on the inside, I jumped right into Red Warrior camp, which was the more militant camp on the frontlines.

It was amazing and incredibly intense at times. The water spraying and less lethal weapons hurt a lot of our people on the 20th and more were arrested in an action following in Bismark. We tried to take Turtle Island, the site where drilling is taking place on (no)Thanks(no)giving but were stopped by main camp peace police.

I returned from camp recently, after the disbanding of Red Warrior. This happened due to the main camp, which has become more and more "peaceful prayer" only pushy. On the 24th, when we tried to take HWY 1806, peace police from main camp came & told people an (un-named) elder had said this action was unsanctioned & told people to leave.

This caused many people to leave and the resulting large number of police came to Turtle Island, which we had gotten to via boats and a bridge we built on site, during the action. With the large number of cops arrived with pepper spray, tear gas, rifles with rubber bullets and live rounds, etc. we were unable to advance.

On the 4th, a large number of vetrans came in. They did one march, then largely stopped contributing to camp, sucking up resources in the freezing cold. An influx of tourists, unprepared for the -10 degree temps and -30 degree windchills also hit main camp hard. When the drilling post-ponement announced, the media hailed the vetrans as heroes, largely ignoring the ongoing struggle of frontline warriors. This was just another extension of imperialism. As one woman in Red Warrior said, "Thank God for the US military, coming in to save us poor little Indians."

cont...

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>>905281
4chan never fails me.

>>910872

In addition, DAPL Dave, tribal leader for the Sioux, put out a statement following the announcement that the drilling at Turtle Island must be temporarily halted, telling people, "it's time to go," thanking Obama, and saying he wants to re-work to healthy relations with police. The main camp responded by largely not leaving, showing that DAPL Dave does not speak for the camp and with Trump coming in, the unification of tribes at Sacred Stone and the resistance to DAPL is more needed than ever.

The actions of Red Warrior and other frontline warriors at camp, from lockdowns, to blockades, to heavy machinery destruction cost DAPL millions, to other actions brought huge publicity to camp and cost DAPL millions. Despite this, tribal leaders have turned to complete refusal to allow "non-prayerful" direct action and were obstructing actions. And so, Red Warrior disbanded last week.

Personally, I found this an incredibly amazing experience. It was a combination of comradery, building structures, planning and acting in acts of resistance, cooking, music, and community. It was all volunteer and you could do whatever you wanted. Food and camp gear was available via donations that came in and were cooked/distrubuted by the camp.

Waking up in my tent on the plains to people singing in main camp was one of my favorite things here.

During the second concert at Red Warrior, standing in the dim fire light, listening to and indigenous hip hop warrior rap militant lyrics from a car battery powered speaker, dancing with my comrades around me was another favorite moment.

Also, eating a ton of hunted food and bison was awesome.

The fights is not over and while the winter and the order of the Army Corps has stalled the pipeline, it will likely continue. When it does, we will return to fight. In the meantime, we will organize in our own communities and fight with other struggles. No compromise in defense of Mother Earth!

>>910872
>On the 4th, a large number of vetrans came in. They did one march, then largely stopped contributing to camp, sucking up resources

People take veterans seriously and the impact on the media was HUGE when those guys went up there.
They had a much more credible voice than a bunch of hippies and Indians.
They saved the day and once again the Indians are ungrateful.
What a surprise.

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>>910882
cont...

>>905241
Also, what people really need there now is firewod, propane, wood stoves, and warm structures, such as tipis or yurts. There are tons of clothes already. Wool blankets would be good also.

If you donate cash, donate to the overflow camp, the Oceti Sakowin camp, which houses the about 900 or so people there now. The main camp, Sacred Stone already has a ton of donation money.

Image is from the arm of the woman who was blown up by police on the 20th.

>>910888
>People take veterans seriously and the impact on the media was HUGE when those guys went up there.

Hence the problem. The indigenous warriors and other people there had been struggling intensly since April. I watched a young woman, a photographer, take a rubber bullet to the chest point blank by laughing police during a march. I watched people sprayed with water hoses during a peaceful march in 20 degree weather. The camp was built from a few tipis to thousands of people in months. The dedication of people there to work hard and to resistance the entire time was huge. This was also the largest unification of tribes in almost 100 years.

Despite this, aside from liberal news, the the struggle got almost an entire media blackout. It wasn't until vetrans came in that the news reported or the army corps acted. Not until the old armed force came, doing a simple march, that action happened.

This shows how deeply rooted in imperialism this country is. The voice of the people, the actions of the people are so easily ignored, unless of course they are military, police, politicians, or big money.

Also, as stated before, the vetrans, who largely came in unprepared, put a huge strain on the supplies and food of camp, which was highly damaging to the camp, as an extreme winter storm came in at the same time. Them being vetrans is not an excuse for coming in without the ability to be self sufficient and able to work at camp. To the ones who came in prepared, ready to work and fight for the struggle, props to them.

Why aren't there any good ethnic slurs for natives?

>>908549
The other side has her mouth full of injun cock.

>>910902
>put a huge strain on the supplies and food

Holy fuck man , listen to yourself.
Life rewards those who are effective not those who "try so hard and suffer".
The vets were effective and won you feckless pricks the first victory you have seen and you are just angry.
What a fucking loser.
Classic liberal idiot wants to change the rules so his ineffective methods mean more.
Don't worry, the vets will be back in the spring to save your asses again because on your own you can do fuck all.

>>905911
>implying

Google what cheating looks like. Shes doing everything a cheater would. You deserve it for being a spineless numale.

>>906259
>solar
Terrible for the enviornment. The manufacturing of solar pannels is worse than burning coal. They're also stupidly inefficient, and constantly need repairs. Their effectiveness also deminishes over time.

>wind
Total shit. Produces almost no power if its on a large scale, never makes any money and takes up way too much metal.

>nuclear
Literally the perfect energy source. Likely the least enviornmentally hazardous form of energy we possess, produces an ass ton of energy from almost nothing, and leads to wonderous technilogical advancements among other great things.

(You)

>>910922
solar panels have a 25 year shelf life

they pay for themselves after 15 years of production

horrible economics

>>908322
Add up all the gas burned in the future because we never switch to wind or water or solar. blahblahblah

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>>910922
nuclear is the only reasonable carbon-free power source available to provide the massive baseload power needed for the worlds megacities going forward

>>908424
lel

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>>910974
Shilliar.

>>911023
>I have no counter argument so I resort to name calling
this is why no one takes you seriously

>>910974
fusion when???

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>>911026
OK,, lets talk MONEY!!
, I Own solar power,, its paying back at 35%.
,,,,,,,
,NUCLEAR is killing Pacific,, 4 MELTDOWNs and you lafffffffffff?, clean that UP!, ooo ,right, YOU CANT!, YOUTUBE some recent dives off Catalina, wheres the starfish?, Seals?, Urchins?, mussles?, why spots on kelp?
, RADIATION POISONS!!,,, thanksatan.
,,,40000 years,, after thatits all ooOOOOOOK!
,SO?, are you watching over your waste?, you, YOU>(YOU)!??

>>911041
The explosions came from hydrogen being released into the containment, not a chernobyl style meltdown.

Think before posting, retard.

Not him, but I live overlooking a nuclear reactor, so I literally watch waste all day : ^ )

>>911041
I just read that in his voice

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>>911050
>no argument
justhe obvious.
,,sunlight.
,,
, now? tell me, GMO is gud?,, I trust you noto feed me poison.

>>911050
>Chernobyl STYLE??,, no,,, its FAR,,,, FAAAAAR WORSE!,, in the SEA? FUUUUUUK!!! every day? yes, and nightime too!,,
, ill bet you like URANIUM bullets too?? no, they just clean themselves. ,,,
,,,,war crimes,,, against Dolphins,,Tuna,,, starfish.

>>911064
Depleted uranium doesn't radiate in the same way that reactor fuel does. It's far less severe than Chernobyl was, which you would know if you bothered to research anything.

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>>911050
Munys BOY!!,, cost, solar wins.


>>911066
>Depleted uranium doesn't radiate
,,, compared to Plutonium,, its Banana?
,,but realy,, you cant fixit,, Chernobl is FUmeing,, the dragon will not be caged without your childrens kids kids sweeping it up, dieing., then it will break free.
,, how DEPRESSING!, pass me the DELUSION! DOUBLE DOSE BLUE PILL!>> GLOWS INTERNALY!
, coal tastes good.

>>911041
65 posters,,,, still 65/

>>911079
You're clearly too mentally impaired to reason with.
Go drink some of that delicious liquid from your batteries.

I don't get it? I live near these fuckers and they have never given a shit about sacred sites until they want something.

>>910242
Im pretty sure you have that backwards. They originally had it, they fought and lost, so its "ours". Thats pretty much how it goes, not necessarily right or moral.


And saying "their pleasure only" implies any of the tribes could actually do something to make the US gov leave. They will most likely never be genocided again but the power dynamic hasnt changed at all since the 19th century.

>>910242
They lost to Guns, Germs and Steel.

It was over before it started.

>>908167
Get people totalk about what exactly?
All this mess of a situation does is polarize people on their stances on property rights and environmental issues. This absolutely did not help a single person.
Allow me to explain.
The initial protest was never about environmental issues, it was a property issue. Mind you, the pipeline doesn't cross native American property unless you refer to an old treaty from over a century ago that says otherwise. I'm not clear on that though.

So, to garner support because of the lack of footing the Native Americans had, it was slowly transformed into an environmental issue and a Native American rights issue. By continually changing what the problem is, you start to get people to think you're lying to them, which is where people first started to question the protests.

So let's give the protestors the benefit of the doubt. What exactly is the environmental concerns here?
>The pipeline is set to destroy sacred land.
Not true, the pipeline runs under ground in the concerned area along side a pretty existing natural gas pipeline
>it runs under a source of drinking water and is a hazard to the people there
Maybe, but there are already hundreds of pipelines that run under water sources and very few have been at fault for contaminating shit. If anything, oil transported via truck and rail have caused more harm than pipelines ever have.
>but muh native American rights
This was delegitimized when it was decided nothing was running through their land

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>>911234
So at this point, environmental concerns about pipelines are delegitimized and people who never cared about them in the first place all of a sudden support pipeline building because they feel lied to and are being told if they support the pipeline, they're oppressive. This is the mentality that got trump elected president.

On the other end of the spectrum, you get easily impressionable dumb asses who focus on this as a huge issue, when in reality, it has nothing to do with any of what they're concerned about. So they begin to eat up lies and base their opinions on pure emotion.

So this whole thing has accomplished dick. If you want people to start talking, focus on a real problem based in reality.

I am all for switching energy sources away from oil, but this bitching done by emotional retards is slowly creating a large group of people who won't listen because they're constantly called names and lied to. How else do you expect people to react? You think the talk and discussion is at all useful now?

>>911196
>Jared Diamond
Don't start that retarded shit here.

>>911247
>implying he's not 100% right

>>911268
>Implying his book isn't "Here's my opinion take it as fact"

>>910872
>>910882
>>910890

People like you are part of the problem that polarizes people and makes the situation worse. Fuck you, you ill informed hippy fuck. By go do I love the outdoors, but people like you make shit worse for us folk who truly care and take part in real issues.

Also, that picture is of a failed attempt from one of the protestors to rig an explosive according to investigators. Fuck off with your propaganda

>>905241
>trumpistan
You should take a deep breath and calm down, he is not even president. Obama is doing that.

>>910924
From an ecological point of view, solar is Satan.

First, they require rare hearths and that is not only a non renewable resource that will run out before oil, it also pollute a lot to dig it. Also, slavery. But manufacturers just have to use less rare hearth, right?

Then you have to actually make the solar panel. This kill the worker, but worse: all kind of chemicals are released in the environment. Hey, but we (not me, really, just you) just have to use less solar panels, right?

And then it is not over, because solar and wind only produce when it can and you don't want to wait 6 hours before turning the oven on. So it require batteries.

Think of a billion car batteries just for the upper American class. Think of a million billion car batteries for the entire world. Have to be changed every 10 years.

But we just have to use less batteries, right?

So, stop paying the electrical bill and wait a little, you will do your part.

I am planning on heading up there once its nice and warm.
Free food and hot hippie chicks looking to hook up is what I have heard.
All you need to supply is your own beer.

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>wasting this much effort on the environment of North Dakota

lel

ND houses SAC missile farms housing 400 Minuteman III silos with 2 to 3 russian warheads targeted per silo(that many is needed to kill reinforced hardened silos) fired from silos in eastern russia trying to bushwack SAC before they can fire back

30 minutes after russia opening fire 800-1200 warheads(240-360 Megatons at least total) would land on the Minuteman silos within the space of a few mins and the fallout would form an even bigger dead zone

>>912208
prepper pls go

>>910179
Indians don't deserved to be paid simply for being indians. The pipe isn't on their land, they're greedy, lazy, and easily manipulated

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>>913410
>The pipe isn't on their land
Its ALL their land!!

>>913452
They fucking lost. We should have slaughtered the lot of them back then. They don't deserve shit just for being indian.

Also they should have legitimately turned real bullets on those protesting pieces of shit. Bunch of whiny hipster turds, likely just left the 'protest' to return to their day to day life of collecting welfare, panhandling, and being a general drain on society.

>>913467
Yeah well you are a pretty big drain on them as well, using up all the land and resources.

>>905281
Please dump her anon, don't allow her to do that to you.

>>913626
But I love her so much :(
She says nothing happened and I have no proof otherwise.
Still have not gotten to really speak to her at length.

>>913661
Dude.. Think about it..
SHE SLEPT WITH ANOTHER DUDE IN A FUCKING VAN.
Stop being a cuck and stand up like a man. She is not even in contact with you.

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>>913626
>>913664
Wow, the MGTOW tendencies are strong on this board. Would you guys really end a relationship without getting the full story first?

>>913719
It's cool man, his girl slept with some weird old Indian guy in a small van.

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This whole thread is a fucking gold mine

/out/ confirmed for most cucked board

>>905241
>well whats going on in dakota?
hippies

We are alll anon,,,, inJuin boners? <if one
anons gf is getting redskinned then all of our Girl is too!!
Vansecks? have at it ,,,,no one can beat the cold.
When the hens come back from the dive,,, clean them off and GO fishing!
Cock ale? WSJ says no.

South DAKOTA?! leave them for the locals.

>>906446
you sound desperate

>>905241
>trumpistan
Trump isn't the president right now retard.

>>905899
they don't actually own the land and it's no where near their village? see any tents being ripped up?
They just want money. Red man and white man are greedy just the same.

>>906259
Solar and wind will never take us to space. This is why I want more nuclear research.

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>>908424
>Hurting native feelings
This is the reason I stopped being a liberal.

First you lie that people will be hurt,
>proven false

But wait the environment will be destroyed
>also false

Bbbbut... feelings

How about the massive amount of people in middle America starving and struggling to pay rent and medical bills who just want jobs?

The left could give fuck all about their feelings.
That's why Trump won, that's why we aren't buying your bullshit anymore. This was the first election I was able to vote in. I live in nyc and just 8 months ago I hated trump. You made me vote for him.

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>>911066
>>913880
OK,,, gon,, Laffit UP!, you got me,, easy bait to chew up., but now I taste the HOOK!
,,, Whats Hydrogen made of?,,and Oxegen?,, best lift per pound?,, Moon rockets??
,,Water,, you need, to Drink, More, clearly,, your pale.

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>>913871
>they don't actually own the land
>own the land
>own
>land

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>>913884

>>913884
Trump is not going to create any jobs.
He is going to talk about creating jobs, but that is not the same thing.

>>913901
Property rights are what created the modern world.
Without them, you would still be foraging for berries like a faggot.

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>>914223
>the modern world is something we should be proud of

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>>914233
Go hug a tree and then neck yourself from it if you hate what humans have accomplished

>>914266

Go learn grammar.

>>914278
fag

>>905242
>>905248
>>905899
>>906250
The problem here is education about what's going on there. People jump to conclusions. Find out for yourself:

http://standingrockfactchecker.org/fact-checking-srst-claims-9-7-16/

>>912208
North Dakota mass nuke targets are not for silo decimation, but for maximum fallout area that would spread with seasonal winds.

OP this thread is what's going on in ND.

Self righteous indignation and name calling from both sides in a tl;dr "this thread is still alive" suprise twist.

Irony much?

>>915832
>http://standingrockfactchecker.org/fact-checking-srst-claims-9-7-16/
That is cleary a biased site and NOWHERE does it acknowledge native FEELINGS

>>913887
are you misspelling stuff on purpose ?

>>913902
I'd voluntarily gas myself if
also that;s not an argument fag.

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Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead but I need closure.
Are there still protesters there and what became of anons GF?
Did she succumb to Red Fever?
I needs to know.

>>919204
>>905281

It's obvious she has su-cummed to red fever by now, probably multiple times a night.

>>905241
>well whats going on in dakota?
Teepeeniggers and hippie pinko fucks who don't know anything at all past muh mouthwashniggers are crying muh land are costing people millions of dollars
Fuck anyone who tries to halt this shit and I hope your dog freezes to death before winter is over

>>919394
More like sioux-cummed

>>905675
We don't help liberals.

>>919405
High five!

>>905241
I'm in the patch, let em freeze

>>910902
>warriors warrior warriors

Shut up you aren't warriors your a bunch of whiney faggots in tents begging for shit.

>>906147
>chief Balls-deep
kek

they are protesting the oil pipeline and using propane to cook with where does that come from the oil let the fuckers freeze its about the money they lost because they wanted twice the money they were afford and the oil company went around the rez and they got nothing

>>920572
but colonists stole their land. enslaved and killed them. well they should have all your munney and land....

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flint water crisis (lead-tainted water across the US)

https://youtu.be/7w9aSBHVBL8

>>906866
Voice of reason. I agree completely.

>>909948
Bahahahaha
Fuck thats dark

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>>905241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBo-kOAqa8

>>920730
>Flint
>Michigan
>Mega
>Bowl

>>913467
I wish I was this edgy.

>>921307
Just grow a nut

>>909948
>manifest destiny tier prank: send them blankets infested with smallpox.

It doesn't have to be blankets and smallpox.

Just send them 2 month old sushi and watch them all get food poisoning squatting in their tents.

>>913467
>They fucking lost. We should have slaughtered the lot of them back then. They don't deserve shit just for being indian.

FUN FACT:

The Europeans bought Manhattan from the Indians for roughly $14 dollars.

This is somehow considered a "steal" by those ignorant of monetary worth.

Had those Indians invested their $14 at 6% interest, they would have been able to buy back the entire island of Manhattan sometime in the late 1980's, early '90's.

lol